published Thursday, July 4th, 2013

4th of July

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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jt512 said...

Nice one!

July 4, 2013 at 12:20 a.m.
alprova said...

May apologies in advance for the carryover from the last thread, but...

rick1, the IRS rules and regulations are very simple.

Any matter involving fines and/or penalties overseen and administrated by the IRS, can be suspended by the Secretary of the Treasury as well as agents empowered to impose such fines and/or penalties, at their sole discretion.

There is no Congressional mandate that the IRS MUST enforce the fines on employers who will not be providing health care insurance to their employees on January 1, 2014, or on anyone else for that matter.

Announcements of widespread suspension of fines by the Treasury is quite routine and quite legal.

July 4, 2013 at 12:42 a.m.
alprova said...

Happy 4th of July to all my friends and foes!!!

July 4, 2013 at 12:45 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Alprova - so sorry I didn’t return in time to answer your post from yesterday and I know you hate not to get a return post from me so I will carry this over.

Enjoy!


alprova said...

JT has decide to respond to my George Zimmerman post.

I previously wrote: "1.) As a trained watch commander with the Neighborhood Watch program, George Zimmerman knew that following anyone suspected of being up to no good is prohibited."

JT responded with: "(That is a falsehood as was proven by testimony, during the trial, by the police officer in charge of neighborhood watch programs.)"

I followed up with: "2.) Any citizen trained to be a Neighborhood Watch "patrol person" is never, ever to be armed."

JT: "(That is also a falsehood as per the testimony of the person above.)"

I was waiting for you to respond. You're so predictable.

Read the Neighborhood Watch training manual. On page 16-17 you will read, "Two or more individuals, often from the same family, patrol during designated tours of duty and may detect suspicious activity not noticed by stationary observers....Patrol members should be trained by law enforcement. It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles...Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous."

https://www.bja.gov/Publications/NSA_NW_Manual.pdf


I guess you missed this statement at the front of the manual:

This manual has been created for citizen organizers and law enforcement officers that work with community members to establish watch programs. The material contained within covers a number of topics and provides suggestions for developing a watch groups. However, please incorporate topics and issues that are important to your group into your watch.

Grant Statement:

This document was prepared by the National Sheriffs’ Association, under cooperative agreement number 2005-MUBX-K077, awarded by the Bureau of Justice Assistance, Office of Justice Programs, U.S. Department of Justice. The opinions, findings, and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this document are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent the official position of the U.S. Department of Justice.

(cont)

July 4, 2013 at 1:16 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

Testimony from Wendy Dorival, Sanford Police Department, Neighborhood Watch Program

When asked by West if the NWP gave lessons in the law to participants, Dorival said they did not, they mostly told people not to confront anyone “or follow anyone.”

West focused in on that comment, asking, “when you say they shouldn’t follow someone, you’re not saying that if you see someone suspicious that “you can’t follow at a distance to gather information,” are you? You don’t tell people that they can’t follow someone from a distance, do you?”

“That’s right,” Dorival agreed, she was not saying that, but “rather that it was not a good idea to engage someone.”

West continued, asking, “and when you say on your slide that the NWP participants are not intended to be some kind of vigilante police, you’re not saying that if they are attacked they’re not allowed to defend themselves, are you?”

“Of course not,” Dorival replied.

Do you talk with them about firearms specifically, West asked?

“No, it’s not my place to tell participants not to carry a gun, that’s their right.”

West then explored some hypothetical situations and asked her if they were the types of scenarios in which she would advise a NWP participant to report suspicious behavior to the police. He then went on to describe precisely the behavior in which Trayvon Martin had been engaged–wandering aimlessly in the rain, looking into buildings, walking outside of normal paths in areas one would not normally expect a person to walk. “Oh, definitely, answered Dorival, “that’s exactly the kind of behavior we encourage NWP participants to report to the police.”

Source Legal Insurrection


Looks like he was following the plan to it’s intent as instructed by Dorival.

BTW - Zimmerman was on his way to Target and not on neighborhood patrol so he was not operating under the rules of the watch program at the time this event occurred.

July 4, 2013 at 1:18 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

Me: "Clearly, testimony has proven that George Zimmerman refused the 911 operator demand that he not follow Treyvon Martin, and that right there will be exposed as a fatal flaw in his self-defense claim."

"(That is also a falsehood as that claim has been made but so far unproven by any facts presented)"

Have you seen a map of where the shooting occurred relative to where George Zimmerman's pickup truck was located?

He never retreated. In fact the 811 call recored him running for another half minute.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/7/5/9/4/6/9/i/1/1/0/o/TrayvonMap.jpg

http://bcclist.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-map-with-911-call-timing.jpg


Sean Noffke - Police Dispatcher: Is the operator that can be heard on Zimmerman’s non-emergency 911.


The State asked Noffke why he didn’t simply order Zimmerman not to follow Martin–giving the lie, by the way, to the enduring myth that Zimmerman followed Martin contrary to police orders–and Noffke answered that it was against policy because it could make them liable for the consequences.

Finally, O’Mara returned on the point at which the State had suggested that Noffke’s telling Zimmerman, “We don’t need you to do that,” with respect to following Martin suggested that Zimmerman was somehow disobeying an instruction. O’Mara asked if Noffke could understand how asking Zimmerman, twice, about the direction of Martin’s direction of flight might have been reasonably interpreted as a reason to get out of the car to determine the answer to the question. Noffke responded, “I understand how someone could have misinterpreted the intent of that.”

Source Legal Insurrection


“giving the lie, by the way, to the enduring myth that Zimmerman followed Martin contrary to police orders” .... Yes indeed !

BTW - under Florida law even if you initiate the confrontation you are still allowed to use deadly force if at any time you opponent takes it up a level to the point that you fear for your life or great bodily injury. Once Martin knocked Zimmerman down and got on top of him and continued the assault Zimmerman was well within his right to shoot Martin. When Martin went for Zimmerman’s gun then he was definitely right to shoot Martin.

Zimmerman walks unless someone whispers in the ear of the jury that they surely wouldn’t want it on their conscious that a not guilty verdict would result in race riots.

July 4, 2013 at 1:35 a.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Zimmerman was on his way to Target and not on neighborhood patrol so he was not operating under the rules of the watch program at the time this event occurred."

The guy was a wannabe cop trying to make that big time citizen's arrest that would make him look good on his next application to become a police officer. He might not have left his home with that intention, but he doggone sure was in watch mode when he spotted Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman stalked him because he didn't "want this one to get away" and didn't count on a 17 year old confronting him. As tough as he thought himself to be, a kid smaller than himself was kicking his butt, so he shot him to death.

"under Florida law even if you initiate the confrontation you are still allowed to use deadly force if at any time you opponent takes it up a level to the point that you fear for your life or great bodily injury."

Zimmerman is the only one left alive to tell his side of the story, isn't he? I don't believe for a second that Trayvon Martin intended to do great bodily harm to George Zimmerman.

Zimmerman claimed at one point that Trayvon jumped out at him from behind some bushes. Yet in the walk-through video, there were no bushes near where the confrontation occurred.

None of Zimmerman's injuries were life threatening. Eye witnesses who were remotely close enough to see what happened have contradicted each other. No DNA under Trayvon's fingernails. No Trayvon DNA or fingerprints on the handgun, another contradiction to the tale that Zimmerman has spun. The lack of concern or emotion at the scene for the dead boy.

"Once Martin knocked Zimmerman down and got on top of him and continued the assault Zimmerman was well within his right to shoot Martin."

It has not been established conclusively that Trayvon knocked Zimmerman to the ground. Remember, Trayvon wound up face down in the grass. If he had been on top, after being shot, the natural position for Trayvon to have wound up would for him to have wound up on his back after Zimmerman rolled him off of him.

I'm waiting for an explanation of that.

"When Martin went for Zimmerman’s gun then he was definitely right to shoot Martin."

If Zimmerman's story was true, where is any trace of Travon's DNA or any fingerprints on that gun?

"Zimmerman walks unless someone whispers in the ear of the jury that they surely wouldn’t want it on their conscious that a not guilty verdict would result in race riots."

Zimmerman will be convicted because he's lying through his teeth.

Let this case be a lesson to everyone who believes that having a gun on you, makes you superhuman, and that you too might one day be on trial for your life if you use that gun to take the life of someone who is not armed.

July 4, 2013 at 3:03 a.m.
degage said...

Al, You do understand that the pictures you saw of Travon was when he was 12? At 17 he was 6+ feet and George was the smaller of the two. So when you say Travon was a smaller kid you are talking out of the wrong side of your mouth.

July 4, 2013 at 6:10 a.m.
EaTn said...

And now back to today's toon and topic of guns versus fireworks. Actually, from what distinctive sounds I've heard in the past some folks use fireworks to disguise their firing of guns in prohibited neighborhood areas.

July 4, 2013 at 6:19 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Oh Clay,

You are a real FIRE CRACKER! Perhaps my liberal friends would consider the term racist and insist it be replaced with FIRE CAUCASION!

Either way, wishing all a happy & healthy 4th!

July 4, 2013 at 6:34 a.m.
conservative said...

Liberals sure can say the dumbest things. Although I have not read the law on the books, common sense (lacking in Liberals) tells me that discharging a firearm in a residential neighborhood is illegal in Chattanooga.

July 4, 2013 at 7:01 a.m.
conservative said...

This man is so Liberal that he can't even depict a patriotic message on Independence day.

The man is so anti Second Amendment and seemingly blind to the huge role that guns had in gaining our Independence.

July 4, 2013 at 7:12 a.m.
rick1 said...

Conservative posted "This man is so Liberal that he can't even depict a patriotic message on Independence day."

Obama supporters celebrating Independence Day is like Atheists celebrating Christmas.

July 4, 2013 at 7:29 a.m.
tifosi said...

He isn't anti-Second Amendment and neither am I. Many of us just want some sanity brought back. Guns are out of control. Just ask the kids at Sandy Hook... oh that's right, you can't.

July 4, 2013 at 7:30 a.m.
tifosi said...

Happy 4th of July everyone and Happy 237th Birthday to the United States of America. I am so proud to live here, not even the rain can dampen my spirit.

July 4, 2013 at 7:32 a.m.
conservative said...

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be." Amen!

John Adams the second President of the United States and a signer of the Declaration of Independence.

July 4, 2013 at 7:41 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO: Your posts re Zimmerman are just rank speculation. You want to try again?

July 4, 2013 at 7:50 a.m.
conservative said...

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

July 4, 2013 at 7:53 a.m.
tifosi said...

They didn't put "God" into the pledge until the 1950's. We just wanted to send a message to the USSR. Same is true for the message on our currency.

I guess it should say - One nation under "conservative" since he thinks he is God.

July 4, 2013 at 7:59 a.m.
rick1 said...

During Obama's visit in South Africa he was giving a speech where he compared Nelson Mandela to George Washington. Obama went onto say If I had a son, he would look like a young Nelson Mandela, not a creepy ass cracker like George Washington.

July 4, 2013 at 8:01 a.m.
tifosi said...

Geez... the losers are grasping for straws again. Maybe next election.

July 4, 2013 at 8:05 a.m.
conservative said...

God bless America, land that I love,

Stand beside her, and guide her,

Through the night, with the light from above,

From the mountains, to the prairies

To the oceans, white with foam

God bless America, my home sweet home,

God bless America! My Home Sweet Home!

Irving Berlin, God Bless America

July 4, 2013 at 8:07 a.m.
tifosi said...

And God Bless our freedom to live as we choose. Maybe someday the Christian hypocrites (conservative) will stop acting like they are the Taliban and pushing their will on others.

July 4, 2013 at 8:20 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tifosi: Is Conservative about to convert you? No. Is he converting anyone on here? Doubtful. So let him ramble. You don't complain about ALPO posting millions of words, and Con is much more concise.

July 4, 2013 at 8:31 a.m.
tifosi said...

You complain about Alpo. I happen to think Alpo takes all of you to task in an incredibly concise and eloquent manner. It is extremists like conservative that support extremists like Bachmann and Palin.

July 4, 2013 at 8:36 a.m.
conservative said...

And I'm proud to be an American,

where at least I know I'm free.

And I won't forget the men who died,

who gave that right to me.

Lee Greenwood

I'm thankful also to be from the "hills of Tennessee."

July 4, 2013 at 8:44 a.m.
EaTn said...

conservative wrote....."and to the Republic for which it stands". Yeah, but most of you right-wingers think Republic is short for Republican, therefore everyone else is excluded.

July 4, 2013 at 8:44 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."

"Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man."

"Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be true."

"One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests."

"It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes."

"The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum."

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst."

Thomas Paine

I'll be celebrating the 4th without any gods, superstitions, devils, and fundamentalists. It will be grand!

DD

July 4, 2013 at 8:47 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tifosi: Alpo concise? You must be joking. And it's extremists like ALPO (and you) that support extremists like Barry.

July 4, 2013 at 8:47 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, You do understand that the pictures you saw of Travon was when he was 12? At 17 he was 6+ feet and George was the smaller of the two. So when you say Travon was a smaller kid you are talking out of the wrong side of your mouth."

According to the records, Trayvon was 5'11" and weighed 158 pounds.

George Zimmerman is 5'7" but weighed 185 pounds when he was arrested.

Trayvon may have been 4 inches taller, but Zimmerman outweighed him. Trayvon was very skinny and Zimmerman was quite bulky.

I'd bet my left arm that Zimmerman threw the first punch.

"Get off...Get off."

July 4, 2013 at 8:48 a.m.
tifosi said...

The interesting thing is that Alprova never seems to resort to childish attacks on others and most importantly degrading attacks on any duly elected President of the United State of America. Alprova keeps the argument at fairly elevated level of intelligence. Alprova and I do not agree on many issues. I find it interesting that if a disagree with the someone like you, I get labeled as a liberal. If I disagree with Alprova, they don't make assumptions, but just deal with the issue at hand.

I am not Republican and not Democrat. I am a moderate. We actually look at both sides and then make the actual decision in elections. It is us that the campaigns are typically focused on. You will find no party handcuffs on these hands.

Using names like "Barry the pimp" and other childish name calling only discredits you and places you in the realm of kindergarten intelligence.

You will ALWAYS see me address the President with their duly earned title. President Obama, President Bush....

July 4, 2013 at 8:48 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "ALPO: Your posts re Zimmerman are just rank speculation. You want to try again?"

Everyone's posts are speculation. But there are many established facts contained in my post. Of the two people who know EXACTLY what went down, only one is alive to fill in the blanks, and he has a vested interest in telling it so that he is not held accountable for the other's death.

July 4, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Alpy, because he survived, you conclude that he's guilty? Despite the pathetic prosecution, I suspect Zimmerman will get railroaded.

Tifosi: I'll wager you can't find one instance of me using the term "Barry the pimp". And to say "I find it interesting that if a disagree with the someone like you, I get labeled as a liberal." I can't count the times people on the R are called racist...yes on this forum....because they disagree with Barry Come on man!

July 4, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.
alprova said...

tifosi wrote: "You will ALWAYS see me address the President with their duly earned title. President Obama, President Bush...."

Same here...

And thanks for the kind words.

July 4, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.
conservative said...

John Quincy Adams

The 6th President of The United States

"The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made 'bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God' (Isaiah 52:10)."

July 4, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.
degage said...

Al, You seem to believe Travon was a choir boy. That is further from the truth than you think. He was on a 10 day suspension from school, not his first, for fighting. He has been caught with burglary tool and jewelry that didn't belong to him. So your choir boy isn't the angel you want him to be. Be carful you might lose that arm you seem to want to bet.

July 4, 2013 at 9:06 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The trial is setting up to be another jury nullification trial, methinks.

July 4, 2013 at 9:09 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "So Alpy, because he survived, you conclude that he's guilty?"

George Zimmerman is guilty of killing Trayvon Martin. That is not in question. The question is, was he justified in killing him?

In my opinion, and at this juncture in the case, I believe he was not justified in killing him.

I have seen no documented instances of violence in Trayvon Martin's past, but George Zimmerman does have two instances of violence in his past.

He shoved an officer in 2005. A restraining order was taken out against him by an ex-fiance for domestic violence, also in 2005.

"Despite the pathetic prosecution, I suspect Zimmerman will get railroaded."

The prosecution and the defense have both had hits and misses.

"I can't count the times people on the R are called racist...yes on this forum....because they disagree with Barry Come on man!"

And the same ones who bash Obama in this forum, are the same ones who believe that Trayvon Martin as the aggressor in what happened.

Kinda makes one nod their head and say "uh huh"....

July 4, 2013 at 9:15 a.m.
librul said...

Well, the floodgates are open now ...

"The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning.... And, even since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes. -- John Adams, letter to John Taylor, 1814

July 4, 2013 at 9:16 a.m.
jesse said...

The bottom line is two pseudo bad asses had an encounter and one ofum had a gun !They were both lookin for trouble and Martin got more than he bargained for!

Zimmerin is gonna walk!

July 4, 2013 at 9:17 a.m.
tifosi said...

conservative: Can you find a quote from President Adams that condemns those that disagree with him. Probably not.

July 4, 2013 at 9:19 a.m.
tifosi said...

Jesse - How was Martin looking for trouble? I think he was just taking a short-cut.

July 4, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
librul said...

No, the bottom line is Zimmerman hated blacks and decided to use a defense he had concocted in his mind with the aid of an off-the-wall law and killed one - doubtless to his great satisfaction.

July 4, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

"But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?" (II Kings 18:27)

"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them." (Ezekiel 4:12-13)

Might want to pack your own lunch if your going to Conservative's dungeon for the 4th.

For the musical entertainment at Conservative's bash?

"Wherefore my bowels shall sound like a harp for Moab, and mine inward parts for Kirharesh." (Isaiah 16:11)

And watch where you step at Conservative's house and bring your own paddle in case Jehovah makes a special guest appearance (He's bringing the potato salad).

"And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee: For the LORD thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall they camp be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee, and turn away from thee." (Deuteronomy 23:13-14)

Hey Jehovah, get rid of the sandals and get a pair of hip-boots as Conservative will be spreading the BS around.

Will Mrs. Conservative be there? Well, don't expect great conversation.

""Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

So watch where you step, don't eat anything, keep the womenfolk quiet, but bring the kiddies for punishment.

"Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks." Psalms137: 9

Conservative, here's hoping you have a gay old time at your shindigs.

July 4, 2013 at 9:22 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, You seem to believe Travon was a choir boy."

Nope. But he was only 17 and he most certainly was not up to no good on that night, regardless of a doggone thing he may or may not have done prior to that night.

"That is further from the truth than you think. He was on a 10 day suspension from school, not his first, for fighting."

That is totally untrue. He was suspended three times from school, the first time for tardiness. The second for graffiti, and the most recent one was for being caught with a pipe and a bag containing marijuana residue.

"He has been caught with burglary tool and jewelry that didn't belong to him."

It was a common screwdriver and the jewelry was not found to have been stolen.

"So your choir boy isn't the angel you want him to be. Be carful you might lose that arm you seem to want to bet."

The facts are on my side, so far.

July 4, 2013 at 9:25 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah, Never leave home without the old screwdriver.

librul: Talk about rank speculation.

Zimmerman's past is germane; Martin's not so much. eh?

July 4, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrpte: "The bottom line is two pseudo bad asses had an encounter and one ofum had a gun !They were both lookin for trouble and Martin got more than he bargained for!"

They were BOTH looking for trouble? Where is the evidence that Trayvon Martin exhibited an ounce of aggression? We only have George Zimmerman's word on that.

"Zimmerin is gonna walk!"

Zimmerman is going to serve time...maybe not for 2nd degree murder, but he will go to prison for shooting Trayvon Martin.

July 4, 2013 at 9:45 a.m.
jesse said...

Librul? NOTHING has been brought forwad to show Zimmeran HATED blacks!

While he for sure had a attitude toward what he percived as "thugs" it had no racial overtones!(at least so far that has up to now been shown!) I'm sure that w/hindsight Zimmerman wishes he had just let it go BUT w/what went down It was not murder and thats why he's gonna walk!

July 4, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.
alprova said...

Librul wrote: "No, the bottom line is Zimmerman hated blacks and decided to use a defense he had concocted in his mind with the aid of an off-the-wall law and killed one - doubtless to his great satisfaction."

I'll defend George Zimmerman against that charge. There is no evidence that he hates blacks. Based on the way Trayvon was dressed, he sized him up as a "thug," and Zimmerman used that as a basis for checking him out.

Had Zimmerman identified himself as a Neighborhood Watch Captain, rather than to demand to know what Trayvon was doing there, the outcome would have likely had a whole different outcome.

I think most people know the difference between someone who seems to be approaching them in a threatening manner and someone who is just sauntering down a sidewalk.

Trayvon indicated to the girl he was on the phone with, the fact that Zimmerman was following him in a manner that definitely fell short of just observing where he was going.

Here's something else folks. If Trayvon was on top, why was there not so much as one drop of blood on the clothing of George Zimmerman's clothing? No Martin DNA was found on Zimmerman's clothing.

The forensic evidence is not backing up George Zimmerman's tale.

July 4, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.
degage said...

So AL, you think Trayvon was a choir boy. Now tell me why a 17 year old would be carrying a screw driver around with him. And his girlfriend has tweeted about being high and drunk, that tells me something about his friends. Birds of a feather flock together.

I agree George Zimmerman is not totally without blame but it was a situation none of us can know what was going thru the minds of either of them. If this was not a black vs white we would not be hearing anything about it. Black on black or white on white It would be buried on page 10 of every newspaper and would not even be of any interest to TV.

July 4, 2013 at 10:03 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Yeah, Never leave home without the old screwdriver."

The boy may have had a bicycle and the last time he tightened a screw on it, the screwdriver was stowed in his backpack and promptly forgotten.

There is nothing inherently evil about one having a screwdriver in a backpack.

July 4, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.

Moooslums, "Gays", iIlegal aliens, abortionists, and black thugs who cry racism are the sacred cows of America in the year 2013

S©#@$ them all. Obama's son, if he had one, was a thug wannabe. I have zero sympathy for the hoody bunch. I hope they pick each other off until there aren't any left. I suggest they all gather in Chicago and just have a huge shoot out. Hopefully none of them will be left standing.

George Zimmerman will walk. Trayvon Martin got what he deserved.

July 4, 2013 at 10:09 a.m.
alprova said...

"So AL, you think Trayvon was a choir boy."

Whatever the case may be, the boy did not have any documented violence in his past.

"Now tell me why a 17 year old would be carrying a screw driver around with him."

Already addressed that.

"And his girlfriend has tweeted about being high and drunk, that tells me something about his friends. Birds of a feather flock together."

That's very wrong on your part. I hung around kids when I was his age who imbibed alcohol and I never drank a drop. I still don't.

Pot? Clearly he smoked it. Traces of it was found in his system. But pot does not make anyone violent. I know that for a fact, for I have partaken of it myself, albeit years ago.

"I agree George Zimmerman is not totally without blame but it was a situation none of us can know what was going thru the minds of either of them."

Which is why we'll all wait to see which side convinces the jury whether or not it all went down as George says it did.

"If this was not a black vs white we would not be hearing anything about it."

Maybe...maybe not. George Zimmerman and more importantly, his father, was kinda tight with several officers on the Sanford Police Department. I don't believe that the incident got the full attention it deserved that night.

"Black on black or white on white It would be buried on page 10 of every newspaper and would not even be of any interest to TV."

Granted, had there not been a push in the national media, the entire nation would not be wrapped up in this thing, but it is because the local authorities did not take more time to investigate what went down, that the nation IS involved and very interested in how this all plays out.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. If an unjustifiable instance of death was being was being shoved under the carpet, don't you believe that it needs and deserves national exposure?

Whatever the truth is about Trayvon's past, the fact of the matter is that the boy had nothing more dangerous than an Arizona fruit drink and a bag of skittles in his pockets and he had every right to be where he was at the time that George Zimmerman targeted him as a thug.

As someone who knew the proper procedures to follow as a Neighborhood Watch Captain, he did everything he was not supposed to do and was in wannabe cop mode.

He should have never left his pickup, he should not have been armed, and I firmly believe that he was the initial aggressor 100% in what happened.

July 4, 2013 at 10:31 a.m.
jesse said...

Zimmerman spoted Martin in a place and at a time that he thought was wrong and decided to hassle him! Martin decided he was gonna bow up on this jerk that was givin him a hard time!RESULT was a fight and George was gittin an ass whippin so he decided to shoot Martin before he got hurt bad!

July 4, 2013 at 10:31 a.m.
tifosi said...

Armed with a firearm, he could have walked away at any time.

July 4, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
librul said...

Wow - we got some really amazing remote sensing mentalists in this forum, huh? Hey Jesse, what color are my eyes?

July 4, 2013 at 10:36 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

At my 4th of July party we'll be singing this little ditty in honor of the Founding Fathers' Agnostic, Atheist, and Deist viewpoints.

"Always Look on the Bright Side of Life"

All together now

http://tinyurl.com/8gbqebj

Lee Greenwood will not be in attendance nor will Kate Smith, George Bush, Oral Roberts, or Fred Phelps. Neither will their be a military/corporate flyover, ex-police officers Emmer and Cooley, SWAT Teams, the Norman Chubbyknuckle Choir, Noah and his frigging boat, nor will we be serving loaves and fishes, transubstantiated wine and crackers, or the Virgin Mary appearing on a grilled cheese.

Let the fun begin!

July 4, 2013 at 10:36 a.m.
jesse said...

Tifosi, if either one of them had handled the situation differntly the outcome would have been a lot better!

They were both wrong and it got Martin killed BUT it was NOT murder and THAT'S why Zimmeran will get off!

July 4, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.
tifosi said...

Too bad conservative's message is lost because he acts like he is God.

July 4, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.
tifosi said...

Zimmerman will get manslaughter. A jury will feel just like I said... he could have walked away at any time. He chose a confrontation, when he was told not to. His poor judgment will now land him in jail.

July 4, 2013 at 10:43 a.m.
tifosi said...

It's simple JonRoss. Probably goes over your head though.

July 4, 2013 at 10:45 a.m.
jesse said...

Librul,I don't know what color your eyes are BUT taking into consideration how full of it you are I would venture to say that they are DARK BROWN!!

July 4, 2013 at 10:45 a.m.
tifosi said...

You tried to post the "n....r" word? That says a lot and confirms your racism.

July 4, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.
jesse said...

Tiffy, are you somewhat anal retintive??

The N word is simply language,depending on the context!

I had a teammate for two years who was black and about every third word outta his mouth was the N word! He died young and i miss him still!

July 4, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.
tifosi said...

Nope, but it is fun getting your @ss all tied up in knots. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

July 4, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

JonRoss will not be attending the Klan rally in Georgia today as his mother hasn't washed his sheets since he wet them last night.

Though it is a shame as then his sheets would match the streak down his back, his teeth, and his Big Wheel.

July 4, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.
tifosi said...

Jesse is another one of those that thinks the Confederate flag is about heritage. It is just another flag of a defeated enemy of the United States of America. Just like the Nazi flag. It represents a heritage of creating wealth and commerce using free labor. Too lazy to earn it on their own.

July 4, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
jesse said...

Like shooting fish in a barrel?

You couldn't find your arz w/a pack of huntin dogs!

Need to work on your intellect before you try to shoot some fish in the barrel!

July 4, 2013 at 11:05 a.m.
tifosi said...

Who needs a dog to hunt? Kind of cheatin' ain't it. My idea of hunting involves a Weatherby, one round and one pissed off rhino. Me or him. That takes balls. Seems like your huntin' dogs have the only balls.

July 4, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
jesse said...

Tiffy! THAT IS SO LAME!

If that is all ya got i ain't even gonna mess w/ya no mo!!

July 4, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.
Maximus said...

Clays toon certainly applies to most any city in America run by Democrats, Detroit, Chicago, Chattanooga.....take cover y'all! And Alprova unless you are getting paid by the TFP to post you are a complete idiot! Wow, you live on line so very sad.

July 4th is just not the same when we have such poor leadership in the White House. Barry The Welfare Pimp is embarrassing. Our Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves. I'm considering a move to Belize.

July 4, 2013 at 11:17 a.m.
jesse said...

MAX go play 18 at the honors course and spare us all your lame brained rhetoric!

July 4, 2013 at 11:20 a.m.
Maximus said...

Tifosi, your do called "duly elected" POTUS puts his pants on one leg at a time just like everybody else and if I want to call Obama a gangster political pimp, which he is....I can. Apparently you want to be a "subject" of an all powerful king or some such crap so move to the UK or most any Muslim country. Enjoy you serfdom you helpless little wop.

July 4, 2013 at 11:28 a.m.
Maximus said...

Any man named Jesse is a moron.

July 4, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.
fairmon said...

Florida's self defense law is an all or none, no lesser offense options, with the burden of proof that it was not self defense on the prosecution. The judge will instruct the jury accordingly. The self defense plea can be a gamble.

July 4, 2013 at 11:32 a.m.
fairmon said...

Shooting fireworks is illegal locally but is another ignored regulation. Discharging a firearm in the city limits is another little known regulation.

July 4, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.
jesse said...

HEY MAX, if you changed your handle to Minimus you would be gittin close!!LOL

July 4, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.
Maximus said...

Conservative....thanks so much for the video, it picked up my spirits on a dreary day. AS for DayBoyDarwin so sad that your life is so meaningless that you have to define yourself with wacky atheist hog wash. Sounds like you are going to have a great party with a bunch of fatty degenerate ugly weirdos. Why are most atheists so fat and ugly? Most of the ones I encounter we're either high school band nerds or on the debate team. Not many homecoming queens or football team captains are ever atheists it's always the loser fattys on the fringe like DayBoyDarwin.

July 4, 2013 at 11:41 a.m.
librul said...

Conservative...Lee Greenwood's anthem to jingoism is worse than fingernails on a blackboard to anybody who loves what America has failed to become.

July 4, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "So when does Barry and Hillary go on trial for murdering four Americans in Benghazi. And don't start spewing booosh booosh out your ass."

There are many comments that deserve no response whatsoever.

The above is one of them.

July 4, 2013 at 11:54 a.m.
alprova said...

Maxipad wrote: "Alprova unless you are getting paid by the TFP to post you are a complete idiot! Wow, you live on line so very sad."

The thought of being a reality really ought to concern you. If I am a staff member of the TFP, I would have access to the unique identifying address of every computer that connects to this page.

Therefore, I would be able to obtain your name and address in short order.

That aside, I'm taking a couple of well deserved days off, so I've got some time to kill and the conversations have been interesting.

So I've been posting away.

Please don't let it ruin the rest of your life.

July 4, 2013 at 12:02 p.m.
jesse said...

Al ,BUT you just couldn't help yourself! RIGHT??

July 4, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Al ,BUT you just couldn't help yourself! RIGHT??"

I'm obsessed with interactions of disagreement.

BTW...I think Jesse is a fine name for a man. Maximyth is the one who cannot help himself. He hates everyone.

July 4, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Went to my local Bi-Lo a while ago. I had no idea that the 4th of July was such a busy shopping day. I got stuck in line behind a woman attempting to cash in a WIC voucher.

It took 30 minutes to check her out because she had a buggy with about 15 items , most of which were not WIC approved and she had to keep running back and forth to exchange them for those that were approved.

July 4, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
tifosi said...

MaxiFraud wrote: "Enjoy you serfdom you helpless little wop."

I enjoyed yanking your chain more. Speak boy.. speak!

Scot-Irish would be correct. Enjoy Belize weak American. I'll buy your one-way ticket.

July 4, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
miraweb said...

I've been struck this week how often the justification "the police find this useful" and "every country does this" have been rolled out recently.

Somehow it seemed less surprising than it should be that the Post Office has forgotten it was hired to deliver the mail, not scan, index, and archive everyone's correspondence.

I am suddenly understanding why the Post Office is over budget. Perhaps if they shut down massive government data operations and hired a few more counter clerks those numbers might start to even out.

Happy Fourth (but not Fourth Amendment) everybody!

July 4, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

We are losing this country. There are 4-5 loons on this forum that prove it. Very sad.

July 4, 2013 at 12:23 p.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi posted "He isn't anti-Second Amendment and neither am I. Many of us just want some sanity brought back. Guns are out of control. Just ask the kids at Sandy Hook... oh that's right, you can't"

Tighter gun control laws in Maryland is not working in fact crimes involving guns is increasing. It is insane to believe criminals are going to follow gun control laws.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/07/03/gun-control-backfires-in-maryland-n1633263

July 4, 2013 at 12:29 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "We are losing this country."

Whose this "we" white man?

"There are 4-5 loons on this forum that prove it. Very sad."

Yes there are. I'll bet my list of loons differs completely from yours.

July 4, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I know lots of gun owners. None of which are killers.

July 4, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Tighter gun control laws in Maryland is not working in fact crimes involving guns is increasing. It is insane to believe criminals are going to follow gun control laws."

I've got an idea. Lets let every responsible gun owner shoot to kill just one criminal without penalty.

July 4, 2013 at 12:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Gallup: Republicans more proud to be American than Democrats no shiz

July 4, 2013 at 12:35 p.m.
alprova said...

"I know lots of gun owners. None of which are killers."

George Zimmerman.

July 4, 2013 at 12:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

alpy says "Yes there are. I'll bet my list of loons differs completely from yours." no doubt

July 4, 2013 at 12:39 p.m.
jesse said...

If ya want a SHORT list then list the one's that ain't loony!

BTW: AL do you KNOW George?

He may have killed Martin BUT he didn't murder him!

July 4, 2013 at 12:46 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Gallup: Republicans more proud to be American than Democrats"

Pride can be a very dangerous emotion. KKK and the Aryan Brotherhood are two such examples of pride gone wrong.

Pride is defined as a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.

Being proud of a personal accomplishment, such as creating a beautiful piece of art is rather innocuous and well placed.

Pride in invading and conquering the inhabitants of a nation in order to take possession of it is also a highly misplaced form of pride.

At one time in this nation, all of it's inhabitants were on the same page. Enough time has passed that such a reality is no longer the case.

I'm proud to live in this nation, but I am not exactly proud of historical events and what was done to take possession of it.

As a Southerner, I am certainly not proud of the heritage that still haunts Southerners, that led to five years of infighting that caused many, many people to die when we took up arms against each other.

I am not proud to be associated with people who claim to be patriots, but who wage a war of total disrespect towards the President of the United States, under the guise of disagreement.

And last, but not least, I am not proud of people who are so protective of this nation and who are proud to call themselves Americans, who live in this nation born by illegal immigrants, who have not an ounce of compassion for people who wander here out of pure desperation, and who are loathe to share just a little of what we all take for granted.

Pride is just a bullsh!t word that people adopt because they believe it has meaning.

Boy...it felt good to write that.

Anyone got a cigarette?

July 4, 2013 at 12:56 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

While enjoying my barbecue, adult beverages, Monty Python, and godless, this religion-free holiday (thank you Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin, and Robert Ingersoll) I remembered this George Carlin take on God.

So after a rousing rendition of "I don't care if it rains or freezes 'long as I've got my plastic Jesus sitting on the dashboard of my car" we watched this one.

http://tinyurl.com/cas4b4z

Enjoy.

July 4, 2013 at 1 p.m.
alprova said...

"He may have killed Martin BUT he didn't murder him!"

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on that one, for now.

I'll be glued to CNN and watching and waiting to see if Zimmerman will have the balls to get up on that stand and convince those of us who believe him to be guilty of some form of murder, that we have it all wrong.

July 4, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO: I wondered how you would turn the Gallop Poll into something nasty. I should not have been vexed.

July 4, 2013 at 1:04 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Ha.

tifosi, US massacres take place in gun-free zones such as Sandy Hook Elementary. The Joker went to a gun-free movie theater, driving past closer ones not posted as gun-free.

So, alprova, it'll be legal for President Cruz to waive all IRS penalties for tea party groups, and make them retroactively tax free (or whatever) at least for 2+ years, while making liberal groups dot every i and cross every t?

tifosi, I'm glad atheists like Stalin and Kim Jong Il are never, ever guilty of "pushing their will on others." I'm glad US atheists never tax Christians to pay for unGodly schools, and never force workers to pay for those who won't work, and always keep the promises the US Constitution makes to all Americans that the federal powers are limited to those enumerated, and never suppress religious speech, conduct, and publication. I'm glad the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever...Repent, man, make it their torment not yours! (They can repent too.)

Congratulations to whoever used the word "gay" without meaning "homosexual."

daytonsdarwin, have you ever read your Bible, the man's Origin of Species, underlining "perhaps" and "possibly" every time they occur? Me neither, but I've heard tell it does sound as if he was guessing, trying to speculate his way around the observed fact that there are limits to what breeding can do.

I'm not too keen on a national church, but Oliver Cromwell seems to have had a relatively good one, tolerating a fair range of opinion and full of good preachers. (I'm currently reading A QUEST FOR GODLINESS, by J. I. Packer, on the real Puritans.)

I make no claim that Thomas Jefferson escaped the damnation of Hell, but his cut-up version of the Bible was not simply because he disbelieved in the miracles and therefore cut them out, but because he considered the ethics excellent and wanted to have them all in one simple collection.

Re Zimmerman/Martin, someone better mention "reasonable doubt." The jury will (probably) know more than we.

Does anyone know where to find recent photos of Martin and Zimmerman to the same scale, showing a tall young football player and a chunky older guy? This photo of Martin at 12 amounts to a lie; it has nothing to do with what Zimmerman saw. (I've read that Z is one fourth black himself, and had volunteered to help black children.) And we do not KNOW that Martin was up to nothing but good, if Zimmerman saw him wandering around, and he had a screwdriver in his pocket.

July 4, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ plus, Zimmerman was 40lbs.smaller then.

July 4, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.
alprova said...

Pt wrote: "ALPO: I wondered how you would turn the Gallop Poll into something nasty. I should not have been vexed."

Do you really believe I was "nasty?" Maybe you had better close your virgin eyes and skip reading my posts, if you are offended so easily.

July 4, 2013 at 1:25 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Lohr, I'vre read the Bible several times. That's the reason I don't hold to it as anything other than myths, legends, and lack of scientific understanding of the natural world.

I encourage people to read the Bible, not just what evangelicals tell them it says. It's not divine, there's no Jehovah, Jesus was not a supernatural messiah, there's no Garden of Eden, no Holy Spook, no miracles.

Penn & Teller can lay it out for you as you've never studied the history of the Bible.

http://tinyurl.com/katzeot

And there's no Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or Porky Pig either. But at least they don't scare little kids, claim to have created the universe, nor ask you to believe in them or they'll send you to hell.

So I'll take Porky Pig over Jehovah anytime as a role model.

July 4, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "^^^^ plus, Zimmerman was 40lbs.smaller then."

Actually, the man has gained about a 120 pounds since he was arrested. Heard that on CNN the other night.

I did a little reading awhile ago on this very subject.

On the night he was detained after the shooting, he was weighed in at 200 lbs. On the night he was arrested and charged, he had lost 15 lbs and weighed in a 185 lbs.

Trayvon's autopsy weight was recorded at 158 lbs.

This means that on the night of the shooting, Zimmerman outweighed Martin by 42 lbs.

July 4, 2013 at 1:30 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT wrote: "Zimmerman was on his way to Target and not on neighborhood patrol so he was not operating under the rules of the watch program at the time this event occurred."

The guy was a wannabe cop

(Wanting to be a police officer is definitely a low grade objective ... Right? However his professor said he had the objective to eventually become a “low life” attorney and if possible a prosecutor ... Oh the irony)

trying to make that big time citizen's arrest that would make him look good on his next application to become a police officer.

(If Zimmerman was going to make a citizens arrest then why did he call the police to come to the scene and then allow Martin to walk away. Why didn’t he simply get of his truck with his gun drawn while Martin was close to him and detain him until the police arrived?)

Zimmerman stalked him because he didn't "want this one to get away"

(Zimmerman says he didn’t stalk Martin but if he had there is absolutely nothing wrong or illegal for him to have done so.)

and didn't count on a 17 year old confronting him. As tough as he thought himself to be, a kid smaller than he was, was kicking his butt, so he shot him to death.

(Zimmerman was 5’7” @ 190 lbs and 28 years old and Martin was 5’ 11" @ 160 lbs and a 17 years old football player. That’s beside the point as the law is if you are in fear of your life or great bodily harm. Until the gun went off the only injury to Martin was a skinned knuckle. Zimmerman on the other hand received a minimum of 3 blows and as many as 12 blows to his head from Martin’s fist and/or contact with the concrete sidewalk.)

"under Florida law even if you initiate the confrontation you are still allowed to use deadly force if at any time your opponent takes it up a level to the point that you fear for your life or great bodily injury."

Zimmerman is the only one left alive to tell his side of the story, isn't he?

(No, the evidence provided by eyewitnesses and forensics are telling a compelling story. So much so that the bet now is the defense will put on a very minimum presentation as the prosecution witnesses have proven the defense’s case.)

(cont)

July 4, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "And we do not KNOW that Martin was up to nothing but good, if Zimmerman saw him wandering around, and he had a screwdriver in his pocket."

Reading comprehension is not one of your best skills, is it.

The screwdriver in the backpack predates the night of the shooting by many months. He was suspended from his school, in part, for having a screwdriver in his backpack.

The "wandering around" claim came straight from Zimmerman and Zimmerman only. Trayvon was headed to his father's home, where he had been staying.

The ONLY two things found in Trayvon's pockets was an Arizona fruit drink and a small bag of Skittles. He had no I.D. on him and his identity was confirmed by his father the next day when Trayvon was reported missing.

July 4, 2013 at 1:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

I don't believe for a second that Trayvon Martin intended to do great bodily harm to George Zimmerman.

(It only matters if Zimmerman acted as an average person would in that situation. With a 17 year old thug on top of you and pounding you into the ground and concrete any normal person would quickly shoot him without hesitation)

Zimmerman claimed at one point that Trayvon jumped out at him from behind some bushes. Yet in the walk-through video, there were no bushes near where the confrontation occurred.

(There are two small saplings within 10’ of where Zimmerman indicated that he was confronted by Martin. Also there are hedges everywhere against the ends and rears of the housing units with one being about 25’ from that location. Looking at the video the hedges appear to be excellent hiding for a “bushwhacker” to jump out of and attack someone.)

None of Zimmerman's injuries were life threatening.

(That carries no weight. You are not required to wait until someone beats you nearly to death before you take deadly force against them.)

Eye witnesses who were remotely close enough to see what happened have contradicted each other.

(No they haven’t. The ear witnesses have but they are always suspect. The eye witnesses saw different segments of the confrontation and if they are placed in the proper time sequence they agree completely with Zimmerman’s statement.)

No DNA under Trayvon's fingernails.

(Not even Trayvon’s DNA?)

No Trayvon DNA or fingerprints on the handgun, another contradiction to the tale that Zimmerman has spun.

(There was multiple DNA on the holster and it was Zimmerman’s and one other person. The DNA expert said that although Martin couldn’t be classified as the donor he could not be excluded either.)

(cont)

July 4, 2013 at 1:38 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

The lack of concern or emotion at the scene for the dead boy.

(He was hardly a boy and usually when someone has to shoot another person dead after almost being killed themselves it can be understood that they may be in a state of shock.)

"Once Martin knocked Zimmerman down and got on top of him and continued the assault Zimmerman was well within his right to shoot Martin."

It has not been established conclusively that Trayvon knocked Zimmerman to the ground.

(It has been proven that Martin was on top of Zimmerman prior to the gunshot but I guess he could have willingly positioned himself on the ground for Martin to jump on top of him.)

Remember, Trayvon wound up face down in the grass. If he had been on top, after being shot, the natural position for Trayvon to have wound up would for him to have wound up on his back after Zimmerman rolled him off of him.I'm waiting for an explanation of that.

(The gun was being held within an inch or so of Martin’s chest when it was fired. With Zimmerman holding the gun that close he most likely didn’t fall on top of him but fell face first beside him. At that point Zimmerman got on top of Martin's back to restrain him if he was not mortally wounded. It was at this point where some eye witnesses saw Zimmerman on top and thought he was the attacker. However they all said that this was after they heard the shot and Martin was not shot in the back. This is where there is a possible error in Zimmerman’s statement as he said he spread Martin’s hands out to the side. Later Martin was found to have his hands below him. Involuntary muscle contractions after or near death are common)

"When Martin went for Zimmerman’s gun then he was definitely right to shoot Martin."

If Zimmerman's story was true, where is any trace of Travon's DNA or any fingerprints on that gun?

(If Zimmerman shot Martin where is his DNA on the trigger of the gun?)

"Zimmerman walks unless someone whispers in the ear of the jury that they surely wouldn’t want it on their conscious that a not guilty verdict would result in race riots."

Zimmerman will be convicted because he's lying through his teeth.

(The lead investigator said on the stand that he believed the story Zimmerman told him.)

Let this case be a lesson to everyone who believes that having a gun on you, makes you superhuman, and that you too might one day be on trial for your life if you use that gun recklessly.

(Let this be a lesson that if you live in an area of crime activity it may be an excellent idea to carry a gun. Zimmerman may have to bear the emotional and financial costs of this trial on his life but at least he is still alive and the perp is dead.)

July 4, 2013 at 1:43 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Just ask the kids at Sandy Hook... oh that's right, you can't.


Great punch line.

Their death’s were horrifying but for you they did serve one useful purpose ... didn’t they?

They provided you with a first class exclamation point to place at the end of your endless gun rants ... Right?

July 4, 2013 at 1:54 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "(Wanting to be a police officer is definitely a low grade objective ... Right? However his professor said he had the objective to eventually become a “low life” attorney and if possible a prosecutor ... Oh the irony)"

Say what you will, but testimony proved that he applied to be an officer in Virginia and in Sanford, Florida and was turned down both times.

"(If Zimmerman was going to make a citizens arrest then why did he call the police to come to the scene and then allow Martin to walk away. Why didn’t he simply get of his truck with his gun drawn while Martin was close to him and detain him until the police arrived?)"

He didn't allow Trayvon to "walk away." He stalked him. He confronted Trayvon. What happened after that is unclear, but George Zimmerman is the only one alive.

"(Zimmerman says he didn’t stalk Martin but if he had there is absolutely nothing wrong or illegal for him to have done so.)"

The hell he didn't. The maps I posted yesterday prove it.

"(Zimmerman was 5’7” @ 190 lbs and 28 years old and Martin was 5’ 11" @ 160 lbs and a 17 years old football player."

Trayvon weighed 158 and Zimmerman weighed 200. Those are established conclusively.

"That’s beside the point as the law is if you are in fear of your life or great bodily harm. Until the gun went off the only injury to Martin was a skinned knuckle. Zimmerman on the other hand received a minimum of 3 blows and as many as 12 blows to his head from Martin’s fist and/or contact with the concrete sidewalk.)"

That's Zimmerman's tale. For all anyone knows, Zimmerman may have hit himself because he knew that he had screwed up.

"(No, the evidence provided by eyewitnesses and forensics are telling a compelling story. So much so that the bet now is the defense will put on a very minimum presentation as the prosecution witnesses have proven the defense’s case.)"

I hope the defense does put on a minimal presentation. Their client will be convicted.

"It only matters if Zimmerman acted as an average person would in that situation. With a 17 year old thug on top of you and pounding you into the ground and concrete any normal person would quickly shoot him without hesitation)"

It's very presumptuous on your part to call Trayvon a "thug."

(cont.)

July 4, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
alprova said...

(cont.)

"(There are two small saplings within 10’ of where Zimmerman indicated that he was confronted by Martin. Also there are hedges everywhere against the ends and rears of the housing units with one being about 25’ from that location. Looking at the video the hedges appear to be excellent hiding for a “bushwhacker” to jump out of and attack someone.)"

10 feet...25 feet...might as well have been a mile away. Zimmerman lied and Trayvon died.

"(That carries no weight. You are not required to wait until someone beats you nearly to death before you take deadly force against them.)"

It may not carry any weight with you, but it may well be a factor in the decisions of those jurors.

"(No they haven’t. The ear witnesses have but they are always suspect. The eye witnesses saw different segments of the confrontation and if they are placed in the proper time sequence they agree completely with Zimmerman’s statement.)"

Nope. One testified that Trayvon was on top, the other saw Zimmerman get off of Trayvon after the gun went off.

"(There was multiple DNA on the holster and it was Zimmerman’s and one other person. The DNA expert said that although Martin couldn’t be classified as the donor he could not be excluded either.)"

If Trayvon has touched that holsteror any part of the gun, there would have been fingerprints.

July 4, 2013 at 2:09 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

tifosi wrote: "You will ALWAYS see me address the President with their duly earned title. President Obama, President Bush...."

Same here...


Do a quick search on this site of “Bush” and look under alprova. You have about 140 posts mentioning president Bush although you are not always the source. However in just the first 20 you do refer to him but not as President at least 8 times.

Do you really have any self awareness at all?

July 4, 2013 at 2:29 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

States could save a lot of dough (on juries) by allowing ALPO to read a few stories and watch some TV reports on trials, then render a verdict.

July 4, 2013 at 2:34 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "(He was hardly a boy and usually when someone has to shoot another person dead after almost being killed themselves it can be understood that they may be in a state of shock.)"

Regardless of your opinion, any male 17 years of age is still considered to be a boy.

I think that most people, with a conscience, within minutes of killing someone, would be going out of their mind. After all, isn't he the one claiming that mere seconds before he pulled the trigger, that he was screaming bloody murder? You would have thought the man would have at the very least, been out of breath.

"(It has been proven that Martin was on top of Zimmerman prior to the gunshot but I guess he could have willingly positioned himself on the ground for Martin to jump on top of him.)"

There has been no foundation laid that PROVES who was on top. That is still up in the air, even after eyewitness testimony. You're merely taking the word of one.

"(The gun was being held within an inch or so of Martin’s chest when it was fired. With Zimmerman holding the gun that close he most likely didn’t fall on top of him but fell face first beside him. At that point Zimmerman got on top of Martin's back to restrain him if he was not mortally wounded."

Not a drop of blood was found on Zimmerman's clothing. Not a trace of DNA was found on Zimmermans's clothing.

Don't you find that strange, considering the close proximity that one would have to be, if he were restraining and beating another man from an elevated position?

"It was at this point where some eye witnesses saw Zimmerman on top and thought he was the attacker. However they all said that this was after they heard the shot and Martin was not shot in the back."

Had Zimmerman been on top, he could have easily shot him from that position in the chest. It would account for the lack of any blood or DNA on HIS clothing, but it does not account for how Trayvon wound up face down, unless Zimmerman rolled him over to restrain him in the belief that he was still alive.

(cont.)

July 4, 2013 at 2:35 p.m.
alprova said...

(cont.)

"This is where there is a possible error in Zimmerman’s statement as he said he spread Martin’s hands out to the side. Later Martin was found to have his hands below him. Involuntary muscle contractions after or near death are common)"

Or perhaps voluntary, if he did live for a period of time and if he was experiencing pain.

"(If Zimmerman shot Martin where is his DNA on the trigger of the gun?)"

Where do you get that from? The forensic testimony was that the only DNA found on the GUN was Zimmerman's.

"(The lead investigator said on the stand that he believed the story Zimmerman told him.)"

So do you apparently. I'm not bothered by the belief of one investigator that Zimmerman is telling the truth. I'm bothered by the man's actions leading up to the confrontation.

"(Let this be a lesson that if you live in an area of crime activity it may be an excellent idea to carry a gun. Zimmerman may have to bear the emotional and financial costs of this trial on his life but at least he is still alive and the perp is dead.)"

It's a sad day in this nation when a boy of 17, carrying nothing but a canned drink and a bag of Skittles, is considered a "perp."

Trayvon did nothing to deserve to die. George Zimmerman made all the decisions that night that, totally in error I might add, that resulted in that boy's death.

July 4, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.
FreedomJournal said...

The Parable Of The Weapon of Mass Destruction (7 January 2013)

I fell and was called to a conversation with John. The children cried, screamed and hollered. The old folk wept and the demon possessed trigger man laughed as he had no tears.

One man found a time of insanity when he lost his job. He did not have to go to a pawn shop or gun store. He went home fetched his arsenal and tried to eliminate everyone at his former workplace that winked at him.

Guns are called weapons in the military but they must have some help to kill. A hammer strikes a nail but does the hammer build the house. I saw many unused tools rusting in decay in a tool box.

The guns the rifles the man O' war assault rifles rested not used and in need of a good cleaning in a gun rack. That shot-gun has never fired any buck shot by its own power. What power?

That trigger finger never really controls the weapon. A society sick in many ways especially Spiritual decay has a certain attitude. The young and old have a particular mind-set and heart failure.

Man, meanwhile lower than lower animals, kills for fun. The hunter rich and wealthy, cherished his trophy which was the head of big game. Mercy in the Lions Den. They roamed in Large Land Rovers all through the jungles of Africa.

The rape of “The Land of the Blacks” even included the elephant, the great cheetah and tiger land as some roam and wander all through the African Savanna, for ages at peace, until gun powder came.

But some stayed at home to stalk the deer whose antlers adorn many mantel-pieces. The corpses of innocent babes rotted in the fields, the jungle and the all along the mountain side.

The Plains Indians still cry as the great Bison the Buffalo would no longer roam as dead animals rotted in the sun, scalped of their hide the skin and fur that kept the Comanche warm during the great winter’s of the open Plains.

We see thus many killers of men, women, children, boys and little girls practice all day and night on a gun range outdoors and indoors well into midnight. The money barons the real gun-runners smiled as the weapon of mass destruction came not cheap.

Nor did the bullets they let fly. The world thus bears witness to a great obsession with killing tools. While some come to hoard guns for protection and others think that one day there will be a great Revolt over the economics of racism.

John however had some answers. Banning all things used unwisely is not really the answer as this will never come to daylight or midnight. However, seeing the heart Doctor who rendered His blood once and for all will fix any problem.

Peace and Sweet Paradise, Brother Carl A. Patton writing for the FreedomJournal Press 10 January 2013 in the year of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.

July 4, 2013 at 2:47 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al posted "I am not proud to be associated with people who claim to be patriots, but who wage a war of total disrespect towards the President of the United States, under the guise of disagreement."

I'm sure you meant this as well for those who made numerous vile anti Bush comments when he was in office.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/31/top-10-most-vile-anti-bush-signs-slideshow/

July 4, 2013 at 2:47 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Say what you will, but testimony proved that he applied to be an officer in Virginia and in Sanford, Florida and was turned down both times.

(Is persistence in one’s seeking of an objective a bad thing?)

He didn't allow Trayvon to "walk away." He stalked him. He confronted Trayvon. What happened after that is unclear, but George Zimmerman is the only one alive.

(If he wanted to make a citizen’s arrest, as you claimed, why go to the trouble of stalking him when Martin was readily available earlier for Zimmerman to simple step out with his gun drawn and detain him)

"Zimmerman says he didn’t stalk Martin but if he had there is absolutely nothing wrong or illegal for him to have done so."

The hell he didn't. The maps I posted yesterday prove it.

(He didn’t but what if he did ... do you have a point to make?)

"That’s beside the point as the law is if you are in fear of your life or great bodily harm. Until the gun went off the only injury to Martin was a skinned knuckle. Zimmerman on the other hand received a minimum of 3 blows and as many as 12 blows to his head from Martin’s fist and/or contact with the concrete sidewalk."

That's Zimmerman's tale. For all anyone knows, Zimmerman may have hit himself because he knew that he had screwed up.

(Do you have a shred of evidence that he did so? If he had hit himself in the face hard enough to cause the damage done to his face there would be marks or damage to his hands. If he had ran his face into some object there would be residue found from it.)

(The number of blows both minimum and maximum were established by testimony.)

I hope the defense does put on a minimal presentation. Their client will be convicted.

(Is that why you get the big money for advising murder defense teams?)

It's very presumptuous on your part to call Trayvon a "thug."

(No more so than you calling Zimmerman several names including murderer and liar.)

Nope. One testified that Trayvon was on top, the other saw Zimmerman get off of Trayvon after the gun went off.

(It was established by testimony that the latter witness didn’t observe the scene until after the gunshot so they don’t know who was on top prior to that. The former witness observed the scene prior to the gunshot )

If Trayvon has touched that holsteror any part of the gun, there would have been fingerprints.

(Not necessarily as the DNA and fingerprint experts testified. The rain could have degraded any evidence, the type of material could have not retained it, it could have been easily wiped off. As an example there was no Zimmerman DNA on the trigger of the gun nor any Martin DNA under his own fingernails.)

July 4, 2013 at 2:59 p.m.
rick1 said...

Liberal Declaration Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that no men are created equal (and therefore the Government must create Equality of Results), that they are endowed by the Empty Void from Whence All Things Came with certain “Rights” (unless the Government changes its mind), that among these are Life (as defined by the Supreme Court), Liberty (as long as they don’t make Others feel bad), and Nationalized Healthcare.

http://thelookingspoon.com/248-littletoyboat/photos/photo.html?albumid=30&photoid=1312

July 4, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.

Obama doesn't deserve any respect because he doesn't respect the Constitution, nor does he respect the citizens of this country. No one automatically deserves respect, they have to earn it. In fact, the primary job of the government is too protect its citizens, both Obama and congress have shown that they don't deserve respect because of their pandering to illegal aliens and putting us in danger because of their desire to gain politically from the border issue.

July 4, 2013 at 3:14 p.m.

Alprova is nothing but a party hack, just like Bennett. Could you have your nose further up BO's @$$? It's sickening. You would feel more comfortable living in dictatorship.

July 4, 2013 at 3:16 p.m.
tifosi said...

"Obama doesn't deserve any respect because he doesn't respect the Constitution, nor does he respect the citizens of this country."

Wow, I guess the SCOTUS would like to hear your arguments. Otherwise, complete BS. You sound like another sore loser because your party couldn't put a decent candidate on the ballot.

July 4, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Regardless of your opinion, any male 17 years of age is still considered to be a boy.

(Why don’t you seek out some black youths that are about the same size and age as Martin and refer to them as boys. However let me know in advance as I want to observe the results.)

I think that most people, with a conscience, within minutes of killing someone, would be going out of their mind. After all, isn't he the one claiming that mere seconds before he pulled the trigger, that he was screaming bloody murder? You would have thought the man would have at the very least, been out of breath.

(What you think most people would do is hardly the standard or the norm and who said he was not out of breath?)

There has been no foundation laid that PROVES who was on top. That is still up in the air, even after eyewitness testimony. You're merely taking the word of one.

(No I am placing the observations in their correct time sequence as per the testimony. There is no doubt that immediately prior to the gunshot Martin was on top and attacking.)

Not a drop of blood was found on Zimmerman's clothing. Not a trace of DNA was found on Zimmermans's clothing.

(Absolutely incorrect)

Don't you find that strange, considering the close proximity that one would have to be, if he were restraining and beating another man from an elevated position?

(I don’t find it strange as it is incorrect)

Had Zimmerman been on top, he could have easily shot him from that position in the chest. It would account for the lack of any blood or DNA on HIS clothing, but it does not account for how Trayvon wound up face down, unless Zimmerman rolled him over to restrain him in the belief that he was still alive.

( There is no testimony that Zimmerman was on top of Martin prior to the gunshot but there is that Martin was on top prior to it.)

"If Zimmerman shot Martin where is his DNA on the trigger of the gun?"

Where do you get that from? The forensic testimony was that the only DNA found on the GUN was Zimmerman's.

(A swabbing of the trigger was done and showed no DNA from Zimmerman and don’t you find that strange. If not then why do you think is strange that Martin’s DNA was not on items that you want to present as evidence for your position?)

"The lead investigator said on the stand that he believed the story Zimmerman told him."

So do you apparently. I'm not bothered by the belief of one investigator that Zimmerman is telling the truth. I'm bothered by the man's actions leading up to the confrontation.

(I’ll take the word of the lead investigator over your’s.)

It's a sad day in this nation when a boy of 17, carrying nothing but a canned drink and a bag of Skittles, is considered a "perp."

(Have you ever heard of the term “Purple Drank” ... I think Martin did.)

(cont)

July 4, 2013 at 3:41 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

Trayvon did nothing to deserve to die. George Zimmerman made all the decisions that night that, totally in error I might add, that resulted in that boy's death.

( When Martin made the right hand turn down the sidewalk to his dad’s girlfriend’s home he broke contact with Zimmerman and was within about one hundred feet of the door. In the time it took Zimmerman to exit his truck and walk to the site of the altercation Martin had much more than enough time to return to that dwelling. He made the fatal decision to return to that site, violently attack Zimmerman and received a hole in his chest for his troubles.)

July 4, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
tifosi said...

"Have you ever heard of the term “Purple Drank” ... I think Martin did."

I "think" Jimmy Hoffa is still alive.

July 4, 2013 at 3:48 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Do a quick search on this site of “Bush” and look under alprova. You have about 140 posts mentioning president Bush although you are not always the source. However in just the first 20 you do refer to him but not as President at least 8 times."

George Walker Bush is no longer President. He has been replaced. I still refer to the man with respect.

"Do you really have any self awareness at all?"

Do you really have anyone else to stalk?

July 4, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "I'm sure you meant this as well for those who made numerous vile anti Bush comments when he was in office."

Of course I did. I didn't refer to just President Obama, did I?

July 4, 2013 at 3:52 p.m.
alprova said...

zab wrote: "Alprova is nothing but a party hack, just like Bennett. Could you have your nose further up BO's @$$? It's sickening."

I live with myself just fine. All that negativity running through your veins is going to do immense harm to you one day.

I dumped mine.

"You would feel more comfortable living in dictatorship."

Go blow it out of your rear end...

July 4, 2013 at 3:59 p.m.

Negativity? Yeah, anyone who doesn't go along with the Democrat Party line is negative.

Like I said, a hack.

July 4, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
klifnotes said...

degage said... Al, You do understand that the pictures you saw of Travon was when he was 12? At 17 he was 6+ feet and George was the smaller of the two.


I am a 5' 6 3/4" female. I have a 6'+ son who I can pick up in my arms. Zim may have been shorter, but he was also stockier than Trayvon. Zim had also been pumping up the irons in preparation to possibly join the Sanford police force, who had taken him under their wings. Bottom line, if Trayvon had been some white kid being cased, stalked, chased, confronted, shot and killed, there would be no doubt of Zim's guilt. He'd have been lucky to have made in to the Sanford jail in one piece by Sanford police.

All experts and psychologists on stalking would be coming out of the woodwork, claiming Trayvon was a hero, although he lost the battle, for doing what experts often advise when being stalked and followed by a stranger. First you run if you can. When running doesn't help, you put up the best fight you can. Even at the risk of losing your life, because the freak stalker likely has plans to murder you anyway. Zim could have just as well passed for one of those MS-13 gang bangers we were told were coming up from south America to chop off people's heads during that time frame. Or some skinhead from one of those Aryan brotherhoods or something.

July 4, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
tifosi said...

zableedofisterix is just another whiner, whose candidate lost the election. Can't wait for Hillary to be President next. The GOP is doing a fine job to ensure that it happens.

July 4, 2013 at 4:13 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "(Why don’t you seek out some black youths that are about the same size and age as Martin and refer to them as boys. However let me know in advance as I want to observe the results.)"

You are purposely attempting to skew the meaning of the word as it was presented. I, in no manner presented it as a connotation of race and you know it.

I previously wrote: "Not a drop of blood was found on Zimmerman's clothing. Not a trace of DNA was found on Zimmermans's clothing."

JT: "(Absolutely incorrect)"

Gunshot Residue (GSR) was found on the jacket in the form of 1 particle of lead found on the upper back portion of the right sleeve.

Twelve bloodstains on George Zimmerman's shirt were contributed by George Zimmerman, according to DNA analysis.

Thirteen bloodstains on the jacket contain Zimmerman’s DNA. Trayvon Martin’s DNA is present in four of them (mixed samples) and his DNA was detected in one mixed sample where the other contributor could not be identified.

So, I am not correct, but if Trayvon was on top, as Zimmerman claims, there should have been lots of blood, since the hoodie was soaked in blood around the entry wound.

Read the following link for more details;

http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/05/21/dna-and-gsr-update-on-george-zimmerman-case/

"A swabbing of the trigger was done and showed no DNA from Zimmerman and don’t you find that strange. If not then why do you think is strange that Martin’s DNA was not on items that you want to present as evidence for your position?"

Jesus must have pulled the trigger. It's the only explanation in the absence of "any" DNA.

Seriously, I read somewhere that DNA will only be found in a case where skin comes in contact with a surface long enough for it to transfer. A quick touch is not long enough.

George Zimmerman has not claimed he did not pull the trigger, so your repeated reference to no DNA on the trigger is for...?

July 4, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.
klifnotes said...

jt6 said: ( When Martin made the right hand turn down the sidewalk to his dad’s girlfriend’s home he broke contact with Zimmerman and was within about one hundred feet of the door.

One of the many things experts in the field of stranger stalking is you never lead them back to where you live.

jt6 said: "In the time it took Zimmerman to exit his truck and walk to the site of the altercation Martin had much more than enough time to return to that dwelling."

Zim wasn't walking. He was running. According the heavy breathing picked up during the 9/11 call.

jt6 said: * He made the fatal decision to return to that site, violently attack Zimmerman and received a hole in his chest for his troubles.)*

Nope! Zim made the fatal decision to case, stalked, chase and confront an innocent citizen going about his day the way many AMERICANS take for granted, yourself included. What if Trayvon had been your child who believed a stranger was casing and stalking him? And he knew only he and another child were at home alone. So he decide to make sure the stranger stalker, who could possibly be a murderer, child rapist, kidnapper wasn't led back to where he lived. Knowing he had a younger sibling who could also become a victim. When confronted by the stranger stalker he, Trayvon, decide to STAND HIS GROUND and fight for his life and the safety of his younger sibling at home. Your child, lose the fight and is murdered in cold blood instead, you'd consider your child a hero who used his smarts and basic instincts. You'd be rallying your local, state and federal politicians to honor his memory. Self Defense Experts and others in the field would be coming out of the woodwork saying Trayvon did the right thing, although he lost his life in the process.

July 4, 2013 at 4:30 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kliffy: I'm no expert, but I can assure you that Zimmerman had none of the looks of someone that had been "pumping up the iron". The man looked like a weeny then, and a fat weeny now. You guys are unbelievable as to how you pre-judge this guy. If he's acquitted, it will be nothing short of jury nullification.

July 4, 2013 at 4:49 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "Good allah almighty, alpo and klif must be doing those Texas Pete Hot Sauce enemas again."

Don't you have some bankruptcy or legal defense papers to prepare?

I'm sure you're wrapped up in something fraudulent somewhere in Walker County.

July 4, 2013 at 5:12 p.m.
conservative said...

Thank you every service man and every service woman who is serving and has served our country. May God who has given us the oportunity through our Lord Jesus Christ for true and everlasting freedom, be with you all this special today.

July 4, 2013 at 5:57 p.m.
fairmon said...

Zimmerman's guilt or innocence is of little concern to me and most people. Martin's death is probably a contribution to society and one less criminal to contend with. Why all the media attention?

July 4, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

JonRoss said... The Justice Department is suppose to defend the American people but it is now a tool used by Obama to attack us. We may need a Morsi moment to cast this fascist dog off our jugulars."

Hurry, LittleJohnnyRossy, if you jump on your Big Wheel and start pedaling (provided your trike has not been repossessed or lost in one of your bankruptcies), grab your Mattel cap-gun and Skippy peanut butter, and you can go to Washington and be the hero to save the US.

You can save the day, Littlejohnnyrossy, but it's up to you to start the Morsi takeover. Don't forget your Confederate Flag Cape and Klan Decoder Ring.

Littlejohnnyrossy, pretend there's another process server hot on your trail and pedal faster.

I can see the headlines now. "Rossville Man Caught in Grill by Big Rig— Driver Thought He'd Hit a Skunk."

Littlejohnnyrossy — just another insignificant bug on the windshield of life.

July 4, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Fairmon because the msm adores stories about race. Liberals, too. It keeps their brand going.

July 4, 2013 at 7:32 p.m.
klifnotes said...

PlainTruth said... Kliffy: I'm no expert, but I can assure you that Zimmerman had none of the looks of someone that had been "pumping up the iron". The man looked like a weeny then, and a fat weeny now.

Those pics originally released of Zim, where he looked dumpy and more like the Pillsbury Doughboy, were prior to his toning up and slimming down in preparation to possibly become a member of the Sanford Police force. He's now gone back to that original dumpy/Pillsbury doughboy image, but that was not how he looked when he confronted Martin that night inside that gated community.

PT said: * You guys are unbelievable as to how you pre-judge this guy. If he's acquitted, it will be nothing short of jury nullification. *

There's nothing to pre-judge. The facts speak for themselves. A stranger can't case, follow, confront and engage someone and just because that someone puts up a fight, the stranger feel justified in shooting and murdering the individual who sought to defend themselves against the stranger/stalker. No matter Zim's intent. He set the stage, engaged then thought he could get off with a self-defense claim. If that be the case then every would be rapist, child-abductor, kidnapper who decides to case, follow, confront, abduct, rape, brutally murder can claim self-defense because the victim fought back.

July 4, 2013 at 7:33 p.m.
klifnotes said...

fairmon said... Zimmerman's guilt or innocence is of little concern to me and most people. Martin's death is probably a contribution to society and one less criminal to contend with. Why all the media attention?

Speaks a lot to your character, fairmon. That's unfortunate. As Zim is the one with the violent history. Domestic assault. Assault on a law enforcement officer. A former family friend accused him of sexually abusing her as a child. Fired as a security guard after picking a woman up at a club and throwing her across the room, leaving her with a broken ankle. But you see Martin as the villain? Any other person with such a violent history would have not been allowed to legally own a gun.

Other tenants living in that gated community described Zim and that unofficial neighborhood watch group as "a bunch of rowdy, drunken hoodlums who went about terrorizing targeted members of that community." Also, remember Zim and that neighborhood watched were never officially registered with or recognized by any nationally organized neighborhood watch organization.

But that's what some of these so-called neighborhood watch groups had morphed into, even some locally. Nothing more than vigilantes spoiling for a fight and an excuse to shoot.

July 4, 2013 at 7:42 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The prosecution witnesses thus far, seem less convinced than you, Kliffy.

July 4, 2013 at 7:44 p.m.
klifnotes said...

You mean less convincing don't you to someone like you? But you'd have arrived at that conclusion regardless, because that's what you want to believe. Apparently, that's your belief system. Your sense of right and wrong.

July 4, 2013 at 7:50 p.m.
degage said...

Al, Do you really have a wife? You have been on here none stop all day, if you do I bet she is happy to have you busy busting everyone else's chops instead of hers. You are so opinionated that I'm sure she would get tired of it.

July 4, 2013 at 8 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kliffy: How can you insult me about a belief system, when you've clearly bought into an opposing view. (Via your belief system) Please don't assualt my sense of right/wrong.

July 4, 2013 at 8:04 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, Do you really have a wife?"

I sure do.

"You have been on here none stop all day, if you do I bet she is happy to have you busy busting everyone else's chops instead of hers."

The wife has a nice cushy job in customer service and she was earning double pay today. She got home at 5:00 and we both prepared a meal fit for a King.

"You are so opinionated that I'm sure she would get tired of it."

We disagree very seldom, thank you very much.

July 4, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo passes notes to his wife. Looooong notes.

July 4, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

From NBCnews "Even with President Barack Obama fresh off a trip to Africa and headed in late summer for a trip to Russia, people outside the United States take a less favorable view of America than they did right after he became president." you think?

July 4, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

PlainTruth said...

"Alpo passes notes to his wife. Looooong notes."

And Plain Truth Dennis must keep sharp objects away from his "wife" if his air pump is broken. It's good that PT isn't allergic to latex and plastic.

July 4, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.
tifosi said...

The sky is falling!

July 4, 2013 at 9 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

DD: riveting

July 4, 2013 at 9 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Remember when electing The Organizer was going to make us better liked in mid- east?

July 4, 2013 at 10 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

As Zim is the one with the violent history. Domestic assault. Assault on a law enforcement officer. A former family friend accused him of sexually abusing her as a child. Fired as a security guard after picking a woman up at a club and throwing her across the room, leaving her with a broken ankle. But you see Martin as the villain? Any other person with such a violent history would have not been allowed to legally own a gun.

(All of that “supposedly” bad boy behavior and that stinking judge won’t allow the prosecution to reveal it to the jury ... Oh the humanity)

Other tenants living in that gated community described Zim and that unofficial neighborhood watch group as "a bunch of rowdy, drunken hoodlums who went about terrorizing targeted members of that community."

(I bet they won’t ever cross Zimmerman in the future if they know what’s best for them)

Also, remember Zim and that neighborhood watched were never officially registered with or recognized by any nationally organized neighborhood watch organization.

(Why should they be concerned about, that if true, as the Sanford police had their back)

But that's what some of these so-called neighborhood watch groups had morphed into, even some locally. Nothing more than vigilantes spoiling for a fight and an excuse to shoot.

(I bet crime went down in that area after Zimmerman popped a pill in a perp)

July 4, 2013 at 10:35 p.m.
klifnotes said...

PlainTruth said... Kliffy: How can you insult me about a belief system, when you've clearly bought into an opposing view. (Via your belief system) Please don't assualt my sense of right/wrong. July 4, 2013 at 8:04 p.m.


The truth is never insulting. It's simple. It's the truth.* Consider it a teachable moment from which you might learn something.

It's always amazing, but not surprising, just how easy it is to get others to go along with evil. Hermann Goehring was right when he suggested no matter the circumstances it's easy. Whether it's a holocaust in Nazi Germany or fine upstanding citizens in 1906 Chattanooga, or Sandford Florida on February 26, 2012 and a young man walking innocently back from the neighborhood store. It's amazingly easy how quickly wrong becomes right, evil becomes noble. Depending upon who commits the evil and who's their victim.

July 4, 2013 at 10:41 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

Those pics originally released of Zim, where he looked dumpy and more like the Pillsbury Doughboy, were prior to his toning up and slimming down in preparation to possibly become a member of the Sanford Police force. He's now gone back to that original dumpy/Pillsbury doughboy image, but that was not how he looked when he confronted Martin that night inside that gated community.

(Are you saying that once he bagged his limit there was no need to stay in game conditioning)

There's nothing to pre-judge. The facts speak for themselves. A stranger can't case, follow, confront and engage someone and just because that someone puts up a fight, the stranger feel justified in shooting and murdering the individual who sought to defend themselves against the stranger/stalker.

(Of course you can and under the right circumstances you can be declared innocent of any crime and maybe get a job on the police force)

No matter Zim's intent. He set the stage, engaged then thought he could get off with a self-defense claim. If that be the case then every would be rapist, child-abductor, kidnapper who decides to case, follow, confront, abduct, rape, brutally murder can claim self-defense because the victim fought back.

(It’s definitely an excellent idea to be prepared for these events just like Zimmerman did.)

July 4, 2013 at 10:42 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

It's always amazing, but not surprising, just how easy it is to get others to go along with evil. Hermann Goehring was right when he suggested no matter the circumstances it's easy. Whether it's a holocaust in Nazi Germany or fine upstanding citizens in 1906 Chattanooga, or Sandford Florida on February 26, 2012 and a young man walking innocently back from the neighborhood store. It's amazingly easy how quickly wrong becomes right, evil becomes noble. Depending upon who commits the evil and who's their victim.

(Nat-zee analogies ... don’t leave home without them.)

July 4, 2013 at 10:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Zimmerman's guilt or innocence is of little concern to me and most people. Martin's death is probably a contribution to society and one less criminal to contend with. Why all the media attention?"

That's rather cold, even for you, and it definitely skirts on blatant bigotry.

God knows that he was not a Saint, but he wasn't Satan either. Kids his age often find their way into adulthood without turning to a life of crime after being rambunctious in their teens.

I'm sorry, but that comment just propelled you into the Azzhole hall of fame.

Ever heard that it's not nice to speak ill of the dead?

You really ought to be ashamed.

July 4, 2013 at 10:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Don't you have some bankruptcy or legal defense papers to prepare?

I'm sure you're wrapped up in something fraudulent somewhere in Walker County.


Again with the snarky comments about other posters personal lives. Didn’t someone swear off that routine after they went too far and misidentified someone recently? We wouldn't want to relive that episode now would we?

July 4, 2013 at 10:53 p.m.
klifnotes said...

jt6 said: (I bet they won’t ever cross Zimmerman in the future if they know what’s best for them)

hmmmm, Or maybe they'll be better prepared themselves with a trigger happy nut job on the loose?

(Why should they be concerned about, that if true, as the Sanford police had their back)

Sanford Police didn't have their backs actually.

(I bet crime went down in that area after Zimmerman popped a pill in a perp)

If it was anything like some of the false reports of break-ins and burglaries locally a number of years back, they were exaggerated to begin with. As one local detective investigating so-called break-ins in a certain community a number of years ago stated, These break-ins appear to be inside jobs. So is it possible some of those Sanford break-ins weren't really break-ins after all? But some of the people didn't approve of the changes that had begun to take place in that community too? So they devised a means to run those "undesirables" out? Just like that "other" community years ago?

July 4, 2013 at 10:55 p.m.
klifnotes said...

jt6 said: (Are you saying that once he bagged his limit there was no need to stay in game conditioning)

NOPE!

(Of course you can and under the right circumstances you can be declared innocent of any crime and maybe get a job on the police force)

Can't argue with you there. Especially if you or your parents have the right connections

(It’s definitely an excellent idea to be prepared for these events just like Zimmerman did.)

prepared only if you're living with constant paranoia.

(Nat-zee analogies ... don’t leave home without them.)

Whether it's Nat-zee analogies or American history, is there really much if any difference?

July 4, 2013 at 11:07 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Fairmon because the msm adores stories about race. Liberals, too. It keeps their brand going."

This very incident is what right-leaning people just don't understand why it is that race is an issue in this nation.

George Zimmerman most likely did not shoot Trayvon Martin because he was black, but because he was black, his death was poised to be written off forever, just like some of you believe it should have been.

Some of you, if not all of you, are the same people that believe that an embryo, once conceived, deserves to be carried until it is born, because every life is precious and deserves a chance.

Remember that? Where is the consistency in what some of you stand for?

If some of you truly believe that life is precious, then Trayvon Martin deserved his shot to find his way through life like any of the rest of us.

Some of you really need to do some soul searching. Even if you feel that George Zimmerman was defending his own life on that night, George Zimmerman is the only one who could have prevented the tragedy that cut Trayvon's life short.

July 4, 2013 at 11:07 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Again with the snarky comments about other posters personal lives. Didn’t someone swear off that routine after they went too far and misidentified someone recently? We wouldn't want to relive that episode now would we?"

After some of the comments you have left this evening, I'm putting you on the ignore list until further notice.

You're cranking up old habits yourself.

July 4, 2013 at 11:14 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Sorry, Klif, you're making zero sense tonite.

July 4, 2013 at 11:22 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

One of the many things experts in the field of stranger stalking is you never lead them back to where you live.

(Martin was doing just that ... wasn’t he. The best policy is stay out in the dark and rain with a person that might kill you and then sucker punch them without the power to put them out and they shoot you dead ... Right ? ... Excellent advice and well executed by Martin)

Zim wasn't walking. He was running. According the heavy breathing picked up during the 9/11 call.

(Running and breathing is illegal and you can jump on these people and knock them out? ... Joggers beware!)

What if Trayvon had been your child who believed a stranger was casing and stalking him? And he knew only he and another child were at home alone. So he decide to make sure the stranger stalker, who could possibly be a murderer, child rapist, kidnapper wasn't led back to where he lived. Knowing he had a younger sibling who could also become a victim.

(Entering his dwelling, locking the doors, and calling 911 was not an option? Oh snap! .. he had a phone on him and he wasted his time talking to one of his fine young “ladies”)

When confronted by the stranger stalker he, Trayvon, decide to STAND HIS GROUND and fight for his life and the safety of his younger sibling at home.

(Unbelievable courage ... no I actually really mean unbelievable)

Your child, lose the fight and is murdered in cold blood instead, you'd consider your child a hero who used his smarts and basic instincts.

(I would consider myself a failed parent as Martin’s parents should)

You'd be rallying your local, state and federal politicians to honor his memory.

(Well the race baiters did show up)

Self Defense Experts and others in the field would be coming out of the woodwork saying Trayvon did the right thing, although he lost his life in the process.

(I think the chances are little and none that will happen for Martin)

July 4, 2013 at 11:27 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

Whether it's Nat-zee analogies or American history, is there really much if any difference?

(Nat-zees and Americans [You White People] no big diff ... six of one a half of a dozen of another ... Crackers and Goose Steppers ... Right? If we could only be like you it would be rainbow soup everyday.)

July 4, 2013 at 11:37 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

JT wrote: "Do a quick search on this site of “Bush” and look under alprova. You have about 140 posts mentioning president Bush although you are not always the source. However in just the first 20 you do refer to him but not as President at least 8 times."

George Walker Bush is no longer President. He has been replaced. I still refer to the man with respect.

"Do you really have any self awareness at all?"

Do you really have anyone else to stalk?

(Just keeping it real ... just like you claim to want it to go down)

July 4, 2013 at 11:44 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

"Obama doesn't deserve any respect because he doesn't respect the Constitution, nor does he respect the citizens of this country."

Wow, I guess the SCOTUS would like to hear your arguments.

(Why ? Will they make him sit out a couple of games and assess him a hefty fine?)

July 4, 2013 at 11:47 p.m.
fairmon said...

klifnotes said... fairmon said... Zimmerman's guilt or innocence is of little concern to me and most people. Martin's death is probably a contribution to society and one less criminal to contend with. Why all the media attention?

Speaks a lot to your character, fairmon. That's unfortunate. As Zim is the one with the violent history. Domestic assault. Assault on a law enforcement officer etc.


So, convict him. As I said earlier I could care less and unlike you and others I am not willing to take TV opinions and select coverage and reach a conclusion. If he is guilty he probably did the community a favor based on what I have seen about Martin. SO, it doesn't bother me that Martin got popped and it doesn't bother me that Zimmerman may not win with self defense as the basis of his defense. I accept whatever the judge and jury decides without all the media and press time.

July 5, 2013 at 1 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Some of you, if not all of you, are the same people that believe that an embryo, once conceived, deserves to be carried until it is born, because every life is precious and deserves a chance. Where is the consistency in what some of you stand for? If some of you truly believe that life is precious, then Trayvon Martin deserved his shot to find his way through life like any of the rest of us.

I am sure you don't put me in the every life is precious category. In fact far from it since I think a lot of life's are a waste and a drain on society. Tolerance and the it is OK to be irresponsible mentality is the reason for an increasing number that look to someone else to provide for them.

July 5, 2013 at 1:19 a.m.
fairmon said...

Postponing the healthcare mandate allows employers more time to move away from providing healthcare just as they have pensions when the government mandated how employers had to handle pension plans. The migration is to a RHCA. Employers will establish a reimbursable health care account around the dollar amount of the "tax" (actually a penalty until the SCOTUS found a loop hole) if not provided. Individuals can then go to the market and obtain the healthcare they prefer. This also moves more people to the exchanges and single payer concept preferred by the administration while enabling employers to have a predictable and in many cases lower cost of health care.

July 5, 2013 at 1:42 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "I am sure you don't put me in the every life is precious category. In fact far from it since I think a lot of life's are a waste and a drain on society."

So did Adolf Hitler. Thank you for clarifying that you are a proponent of a superior gene pool. I sure hope you are not representative of the way that all Libertarians think.

I pray one day that you come to amend that line of thought, but I'm not holding my breath or anything.

"Tolerance and the it is OK to be irresponsible mentality is the reason for an increasing number that look to someone else to provide for them."

And what does that have to do with Trayvon Martin? As far as I know, the boy came from a split, but very much intact family who loved him and who supported him without taxpayer assistance.

No offense, but your callous comments about a 17 year old boy this evening, whom you know only that which can be read in in the press, not knowing if what you read is even accurate or not, thoroughly disgust me.

I knew you to be a little out there on some things, but until tonight, you had done an excellent job of hiding the fact that you have emerged from latent Libertarian bigotry to become a raging racist.

July 5, 2013 at 1:53 a.m.
conservative said...

Folks, you are wrong if you think the fighting (fireworks ) have stopped.

They are just reloading.

July 5, 2013 at 7:41 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

I knew you to be a little out there on some things, but until tonight, you had done an excellent job of hiding the fact that you have emerged from latent Libertarian bigotry to become a raging racist.

alprova...I assure you race has nothing to do with my opinion. I would feel the same way if he were of any other race. I am not tolerant of those that fritter away an opportunity then blame something or someone else. A morbidly obese individual suing a fast food service is one of the things that hits my hot button.

July 5, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova, the fact someone has a different opinion then your bless his heart we all are obligated to insist the government help save him mentality does not mean they are a bigot or racist. It may be you are so locked in to one view you can't think outside that narrow self serving box.

July 5, 2013 at 9:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Thank you for clarifying that you are a proponent of a superior gene pool. I sure hope you are not representative of the way that all Libertarians think

Not being tolerant and not caring about the demise of dope heads and criminals has nothing to do with genetics. Why should anyone be sympathetic with someone that keeps making stupid decisions that reduces their opportunity to succeed and live?

July 5, 2013 at 9:13 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Not being tolerant and not caring about the demise of dope heads and criminals has nothing to do with genetics. Why should anyone be sympathetic with someone that keeps making stupid decisions that reduces their opportunity to succeed and live?"

What set me off was your comments about Trayvon Martin. What evidence do you know for certain, makes him less worthy of living than anyone else?

Yeah...he got into a little trouble in school, but nothing that makes me believe that he was a "thug." Based on the testimony this morning, he clearly came from a self-supporting family, so he wasn't the product of a welfare family, that some of you people despise.

What stupid decision did Trayvon Martin make the night he died? Was it stupid for him to try and discover why George Zimmerman was stalking him?

The encounter that resulted in his death was the second time the two had been face to face that night. Trayvon allegedly walked right up to George Zimmerman's pickup, and asked him if he had any problem, to which Zimmerman failed to speak up and identify himself as a Neighborhood Watchman, which would have then most likely have led to an understanding between the two as to what was up.

Then, moments later, Trayvon sees the man on foot behind him.

What would anyone think at that point? I'm sure that he felt that George Zimmerman intended to harm him in some way. In their second face-to-face encounter, George Zimmerman STILL failed to identify his reason for his interest in Trayvon.

If, and I do mean if, Trayvon did attack Zimmerman, it was a preemptive self-defense action because Zimmerman failed to disclose why it was that he was following him.

What kind of Neighborhood Watch program were they running in Sanford, Florida?

This is why I believe that George Zimmerman is totally to blame for Trayvon's death.

July 5, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
Maximus said...

Outstanding example of Barry The Welfare Pimps foreign policy.....Egypt. Good job Hillary! I wonder who is guarding the F-16's we sent them?

July 5, 2013 at 9:53 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Barry has subbed out the F-16 security to his BFF, Morsi.

July 5, 2013 at 10:22 a.m.
klifnotes said...

Alprova's July 5, 2013 @ 9:53 a.m. post is

OUTSTANDING!!

I've followed the tragedy of the Trayvon Martin killing from the very beginning. Long before the story went national and international and when the Sanford police dept. were preparing to sweep it under the rug, close the case as a justifiable homicide and give Zim the green light to go out and case, stalk, engage and possibly gun down other young males he deemed a threat or a suspicion or just because. I don't think people understand the significance of what would have likely become the outcome if that had been allowed. It would have likely become open season on young black and brown males all across America, and especially where there's a STAND YOUR GROUND LAW. The state of Tennessee has a STAND YOUR GROUND LAW and you'd be surprised of some of your state leaders who jumped onboard and signed the bill into law.

Remember, initially, that's what Zim's defense was, the Florida STAND YOUR GROUND law until his attorneys decided to downplay using that law as a potential defense.

The poster who wrote something the effect that "Florida law gives a person the right to use deadly defense even if they instigated the situation" is wrong. That is not what Florida law suggest or say. People who have wrongly believe they could case, follow and confront an individual then murder them in cold blood because they were losing the fight have found themselves having to defend their actions in Florida courts. Many have been convicted and sent away to prison to serve as much as 25 years to life.

Even the originators and signers of the Florida Stand Your Ground law have said the law doesn't give anyone the right to case, follow, confront, engage an individual, then just because you're losing the fight you feel justified in pulling out a gun and killing them.**

Jeb Bush, in speaking on the Trayvon Martin tragedy, who signed the bill into law in 2005 stated: “This law does not apply to this particular circumstance,” “Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.” That's why the defense decided against using Florida's Stand Your Ground law as a defense. They knew it wouldn't stand up in a court of law.

July 5, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Meanwhile, another person killed in Chattanooga overnight.

July 5, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kliffy: Get a rope!! Why even bother with a trial?

July 5, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
klifnotes said...

PlainTruth said... Kliffy: Get a rope!! Why even bother with a trial?

That's your legacy, not mine. It is not at all surprising you'd suggest that. :(

Brandon Patrick Baker: Another casualty of Florida's Stand Your Ground law?

http://watchlite.s3.amazonaws.com/person%2Fmugs%2Fbrandon_baker.jpg

from: Tampa Bay Times

July 5, 2013 at 10:39 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

cute, kliffie. But it's what you wish for. Who says kangaroo court lynchings are a thing of the past? Zim will go down and Kliffie will be happy. :)

July 5, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
klifnotes said...

PT, you have no idea what I wish for. Lynching and gunning down innocent citizens going about their daily activities most Americans take for granted are things you and your klan are salivating and foaming at the mouth in anticipation of being given the go-ahead to go out and partake. Y'all jest cain't wait, can y'all? ;)

July 5, 2013 at 10:48 a.m.
klifnotes said...

LaughingBoy said... Meanwhile, another person killed in Chattanooga overnight.

C.I.s possibly? :??

July 5, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

and you, dear lady, have no idea what I wish for. You're good at projecting what others feel, yet get offended when it's thrown back. If there had never been a Klan or Nazi's, what would your ilk find to call those in disagreement? Saying "your klan" is offensive and you should apologize. You are not on any moral highground.

July 5, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

State Dept corrects previous statement. Kerry was briefly on his yacht yesterday. Lies just roll outta these people. Learned a lot from Hillary, I suspect.

July 5, 2013 at 12:09 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

What set me off was your comments about Trayvon Martin. What evidence do you know for certain, makes him less worthy of living than anyone else?

I didn't say he was. I did say I have no empathy for either since both behaved stupidly. Zimmerman gets convicted and Martin is dead, I don't really care. Had it gone down the other way and Martin had snuffed Zimmerman I would still for the same reasons not care.

July 5, 2013 at 12:16 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

What is C.I.? Civil indifference?

July 5, 2013 at 12:29 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Where is Col. George Bristol?

July 5, 2013 at 1:07 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

JonRoss said...

"So Dayton, is it just one little boy you have buggered, or is it two ? The indictment wasn't clear."

Once again, littlejohnnyrossy, you've proved your inability to read.

It was your ex-wife; I was given an award for exploration and penetration into unknown territory; and the laugh track for the film was provided by your family when asked about your accomplishments and abilities. Your ex did tell me to say hello to "Shorty."

Now you know the rest of the story, littlejohnnyrossy. How's the Morsi revolution going for your overthrow of Obama?

July 5, 2013 at 2 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

EaTn said...

most of you right-wingers think Republic is short for Republican, therefore everyone else is excluded.

(You mean like left wingers think Progressive is a method of video scanning for television or computer monitors in which the horizontal lines of each frame are drawn successively from top to bottom. Yeah ... it surprised me as well.)

July 5, 2013 at 2:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

daytonsdarwin said...

I'll be celebrating the 4th without any gods, superstitions, devils, and fundamentalists. It will be grand!

(You really think you can sell that line here? Even you have to realize you live only for those things and if they disappeared you would have no will to exist and would immediately be transported to your self created Hades.)

July 5, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

librul said...

But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes. -- John Adams, letter to John Taylor, 1814

(Sounds very much as to what happens if someone speaks or acts in a politically incorrect manner towards an item, person, and/or belief of the holy progressive faith.)

July 5, 2013 at 2:18 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

I am a 5' 6 3/4" female. I have a 6'+ son who I can pick up in my arms.

(the listed weights and ages of the participants seem to be missing)

Zim may have been shorter, but he was also stockier than Trayvon. Zim had also been pumping up the irons in preparation to possibly join the Sanford police force.

(Martin being the taller person would undoubtedly have a much greater reach in a fist fight. Thus the shorter armed Zimmerman would have a great deal of difficulty getting close enough to deliver any blows without encountering possible knock out blows from Martin. Martin also increased his advantage by sucker punching Zimmerman and greatly decreasing his ability to respond.)

Bottom line, if Trayvon had been some white kid being cased, stalked, chased, confronted, shot and killed, there would be no doubt of Zim's guilt. He'd have been lucky to have made in to the Sanford jail in one piece by Sanford police.

(The Sanford Police has a recent history of violently beating or killing Latinos that kill white young men whether it was self defense or murder? Are you sure?)

All experts and psychologists on stalking would be coming out of the woodwork, claiming Trayvon was a hero, although he lost the battle, for doing what experts often advise when being stalked and followed by a stranger.

First you run if you can. When running doesn't help, you put up the best fight you can. Even at the risk of losing your life, because the freak stalker likely has plans to murder you anyway.

Zim could have just as well passed for one of those MS-13 gang bangers we were told were coming up from south America to chop off people's heads during that time frame.

(You're suggesting that being fearful in the presence of a Latino such as Zimmerman is justified due to the fact that he could very well be a member of MS-13 without any other input but his “Browness”? ... Blatant bigotry?)

July 5, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^ only the left would have thrown in the obligatory "Nazi" or "Klan" reference.

July 5, 2013 at 2:25 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Jt6gR3hM said...

daytonsdarwin said...

I'll be celebrating the 4th without any gods, superstitions, devils, and fundamentalists. It will be grand!

(You really think you can sell that line here? Even you have to realize you live only for those things and if they disappeared you would have no will to exist and would immediately be transported to your self created Hades.)

"Fundamentalist religion, superstitions, creationism, are all anti-life. If I could snap my fingers today and rid the world of these metal plagues I would do so.

There's no heavens, no hells, no gods, saviors, or messiahs. I live happily without that slavery to imaginary characters and their earthly Goebbels who promote such nonsense.

The universe is too big and the superstitions too small and petty to fall for that religious BS.

July 5, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You are clearly da man, Dayton.

July 5, 2013 at 2:30 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

If Trayvon was on top, as Zimmerman claims, there should have been lots of blood, since the hoodie was soaked in blood around the entry wound.

(Should or would ... there is a difference)

Read the following link for more details;

http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/05/21/dna-and-gsr-update-on-george-zimmerman-case/

(Information posted on a blog by people who do not entirely identify themselves or their qualifications and certifications as experts on the science they are representing. I will stay with the testimony of the experts from the trial. BTW ... that blog clearly states they are completely sure of Zimmerman’s guilt so they don’t sound open to fair interpretation of the evidence.)

"A swabbing of the trigger was done and showed no DNA from Zimmerman and don’t you find that strange. If not then why do you think is strange that Martin’s DNA was not on items that you want to present as evidence for your position?"

Jesus must have pulled the trigger. It's the only explanation in the absence of "any" DNA.

Seriously, I read somewhere that DNA will only be found in a case where skin comes in contact with a surface long enough for it to transfer. A quick touch is not long enough.

(The pull force of the trigger on Zimmerman’s gun was 4 1/2 to 4 3/4 pounds which is not a “hair trigger”)

George Zimmerman has not claimed he did not pull the trigger, so your repeated reference to no DNA on the trigger is for...?

(I keep forgetting that you have a tendency to be slow on the uptake or is it just willful ignorance? My point is that even though Zimmerman actually pulled the trigger with a fairly strong force there was none of his DNA detected on it. It’s absence does not prove that he did not fire the gun.)

(This was an attempt to allow you to realize on your own that the absence of DNA does not prove anything. However you persist to try and state that it does in a very ignorant way. As an example, the near absence of Martin’s DNA on Zimmerman's clothes does not prove or disprove the position of the combatants as only the presence of DNA matters.)

July 5, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

daytonsdarwin said...

Hurry, LittleJohnnyRossy, if you jump on your Big Wheel and start pedaling (provided your trike has not been repossessed or lost in one of your bankruptcies), grab your Mattel cap-gun and Skippy peanut butter, and you can go to Washington and be the hero to save the US.


It’s obvious that you are a one trick pony and that political mockery or commentary are not your forte. You really should stick to bigoted religious commentary as that appears to be your one and only area of interest and a moderate amount of knowledge of the subject matter. Leave the political world to those that understand it and are capable of serious discussions concerning it or the mockery of those that do not.

July 5, 2013 at 2:40 p.m.
klifnotes said...

jt6 said: (Martin being the taller person would undoubtedly have a much greater reach in a fist fight. Thus the shorter armed Zimmerman would have a great deal of difficulty getting close enough to deliver any blows without encountering possible knock out blows from Martin. Martin also increased his advantage by sucker punching Zimmerman and greatly decreasing his ability to respond.)

Not so, jetti. You're just speculating. Martin's height has very little to nothing to do with his having dealt any serious alleged blows to Zim. Even the examiner stated the blows Zim claims to have received were impossible. That his injuries were only slight. They could have just as well come from him slipping and falling on wet grass or a wet sidewalk and hitting his head. Whatever blows Martin may have gotten in, if any, were slight.

jit6 said: (You're suggesting that being fearful in the presence of a Latino such as Zimmerman is justified due to the fact that he could very well be a member of MS-13 without any other input but his “Browness”? ... Blatant bigotry?)

No more than Zim's fear and suspicion in the presence of a young black male. As for that MS-13 comment, that was the fear your law enforcement and media were spreading in their effort to get y'all all rowdy up and preparation to open fire on Latino/Hispanics (the efforts are attempts to turn poor whites and blacks on browns. When that didn't seem to work, a new strategy was devised to turn poor rich, middle classed, wealthy whites, browns and everyone else that can be thrown in against blacks). During that time period that's all that was in the news, violent MS-13 south American gangs crossing the border and infiltrating the U.S. What's amazing but not surprising were on forums across the nation where law enforcement hang out, even locally, posting comments, they immediately jumped to the side in defense. of Zim without all the facts. Just the fact that Trayvon Martin was a black teen? Hmmmmm__Revealing. Likely where Zim got his inspiration from? Sanford police??? Who'd taken him under their wing and made him an honorary cop?

July 5, 2013 at 2:49 p.m.
klifnotes said...

PlainTruth said... and you, dear lady, have no idea what I wish for. You're good at projecting what others feel, yet get offended when it's thrown back

You couldn't offend me if you tried harder, PT. You're to be pitied, but still loved. I laugh more than I'd ever likely be offended. So don't get your boxers (or maybe briefs ?) ;) or bloomers (or drawers) all up in a wad.

July 5, 2013 at 2:55 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

The poster who wrote something the effect that "Florida law gives a person the right to use deadly defense even if they instigated the situation" is wrong. That is not what Florida law suggest or say. People who have wrongly believe they could case, follow and confront an individual then murder them in cold blood because they were losing the fight have found themselves having to defend their actions in Florida courts. Many have been convicted and sent away to prison to serve as much as 25 years to life.

Even the originators and signers of the Florida Stand Your Ground law have said the law doesn't give anyone the right to case, follow, confront, engage an individual, then just because you're losing the fight you feel justified in pulling out a gun and killing them.

Jeb Bush, in speaking on the Trayvon Martin tragedy, who signed the bill into law in 2005 stated: “This law does not apply to this particular circumstance,” “Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”


Here is the Florida law ... Read it and educate your own self.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

July 5, 2013 at 3:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

you have no idea what I wish for.

(I think we have a fairly good idea what you wish for ... and it involves eradication ... Right?)

July 5, 2013 at 3:23 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Stop being so selective jt6. That was fairmon who initially said that. I was simply responding to that one. However, we certainly do all know what you and your klan wish for. That Zim would have gotten off from the start and, that way, you and yours would feel quite content opening up hunting season on humans. ;)

July 5, 2013 at 3:28 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kliffie: Leave my drawers out of this. I don't mention your granny panties.

July 5, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Interesting read from al Barra/Truthd:

Excerpt:

Is the South Dragging the Rest of the Nation Down? Why poor white Southerners keep voting for policies that screw them and how this hurts the rest of the nation.

In 1978, out of college without a job and having failed to establish Birmingham’s version of The Village Voice, I took a job as advance man for the Alabama Republican Senate candidate

One incident that stuck with me was a visit to campaign headquarters by a young Republican adviser—I didn’t recognize his name, but I remember that he strummed a guitar while talking to us. He told us, “Don’t ever use the words ‘black’ and ‘white’ in an argument. Always say ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative.’ You’ll turn every argument about race into a political one. You do that, and race will start to disappear as an issue.”

Our candidate, Jim Martin, lost the election to somebody named Donald Stewart, who was the very model of the politically ineffectual Democrat who would soon get steamrolled by the new Reagan-led Republican Party. Within a few years, however, Alabama would move, along with much of the South, from the Democratic to the Republican Party. But it was a case of rebranding rather than change. In less than a generation, every Wallace segregationist Democrat I knew had turned into a conservative Reagan Republican; as the guitar-picking adviser had predicted, race almost ceased to be a political issue and, as my friend the late journalist Paul Hemphill put it, “George Wallace’s role in framing the politics of the new South was obscured.”

July 5, 2013 at 3:31 p.m.
klifnotes said...

PlainTruth said... Kliffie: Leave my drawers out of this. I don't mention your granny panties.

Now that's really hilarious!! LMAO!!

Actually, I only wear the French cut style. LOL!!!!

July 5, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
klifnotes said...

Justice For Attorney Lynne Stewart!! Your government wants her to die in prison?

lynne stewart dot org

July 5, 2013 at 3:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kliffie: French? Love it when you talk dirty.

July 5, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

Not so, jetti. You're just speculating. Martin's height has very little to nothing to do with his having dealt any serious alleged blows to Zim.

(It would have if Martin hadn’t sucker punched Zimmerman which I think was probably his typical M.O.)

Even the examiner stated the blows Zim claims to have received were impossible.

(But Martin did deliver the blows as per eyewitness testimony)

That his injuries were only slight.

(The self defense law does not require you to wait until you suffer serious injury before defending yourself)

They could have just as well come from him slipping and falling on wet grass or a wet sidewalk and hitting his head.

(But they didn’t ... did they?)

Whatever blows Martin may have gotten in, if any, were slight.

(See above)

No more than Zim's fear and suspicion in the presence of a young black male.

(The recorded phone call does not show that Zimmerman exhibited any fear but it did show his suspicion prior to identifying Martin as black)

As for that MS-13 comment, that was the fear your law enforcement and media were spreading in their effort to get y'all ( You mean “You People” ... Right?) all rowdy up and preparation to open fire on Latino/Hispanics

The efforts are attempts to turn poor whites and blacks on browns. When that didn't seem to work, a new strategy was devised to turn poor rich, middle classed, wealthy whites, browns and everyone else that can be thrown in against blacks.

(Boy is it getting all racial up in here ... Right?)

During that time period that's all that was in the news, violent MS-13 south American gangs crossing the border and infiltrating the U.S. What's amazing but not surprising were on forums across the nation where law enforcement hang out, even locally, posting comments, they immediately jumped to the side in defense. of Zim without all the facts.

(Evil Law Enforcement ... Right?)

Just the fact that Trayvon Martin was a black teen?

Hmmmmm__Revealing. Likely where Zim got his inspiration from? Sanford police??? Who'd taken him under their wing and made him an honorary cop?

(It’s all about race with you ... I wonder why)

July 5, 2013 at 3:47 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "Leave the political world to those that understand it and are capable of serious discussions concerning it or the mockery of those that do not."

Still dressing up in your Herta Bothe outfit?

July 5, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The Navy has awarded John Kerry his fourth Purple Heart for wounds sustained by his emotions while yachting off Cape Cod.

July 5, 2013 at 4:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

dayton, like a couple others on here, has a predilection for Nazis. Maybe it's the boots.

July 5, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The MB now has more friends in White House than in Egypt.

July 5, 2013 at 5:37 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

JonRoss said...

"I can roll around in the dog crap as long as the obastard-istas want to."

That's comes naturally for you as that's where you bred, born, and raised with no desire or inclination to leave your dear old home-place. Those various shades of brown look good on you, Shorty.

Poor littlejohnnyrossy. Takes government support with his bankruptcies then hypocritically bellows and moans when others do the same.

How's your Big Wheel ride to Washington going? Still planning on the overthrow of Obama? Have you pedaled as far as the Krystal yet?

July 5, 2013 at 5:52 p.m.
alprova said...

Les wrote: "Dayton based on your photo in right2know those massive pimples on your face reveal an abundant use of meth."

I'd be very careful about referring to anyone's mug shot. Your own can be posted in an instant.

July 5, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Not mine

July 5, 2013 at 7:24 p.m.
alprova said...

Les wrote: "The Obastard has an obvious cocaine problem, which is why he was out of touch on the night of the Benghazi murders and that is why we saw no shots of the White House situation room."

Can you begin to back this up?

Here's what the President did on September 11, 2012;

http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president/2012-09-11

July 5, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
tifosi said...

President Obama's socialist agenda took another step backward today. The DOW jumped back up 157 points to near record level again. Jobs just keep popping up too! If we can just get MaxiFraud to pay his fair share of taxes we can get back to the plan. :)

Ohhh the humanity of it all... this is disastrous.

July 5, 2013 at 7:45 p.m.
klifnotes said...

jetti6 said:

(It would have if Martin hadn’t sucker punched Zimmerman which I think was probably his typical M.O.)

No actual proof Martin sucker punched Zim Zim.

(But Martin did deliver the blows as per eyewitness testimony)

see above. ;)

(The self defense law does not require you to wait until you suffer serious injury before defending yourself)

Self defense law also doesn't allow for a stranger stalking, casing, chasing, confronting and engaging an individual, then crying self-defense when they shoot and kill an innocent person because the victim (Martin) attempted to defend him/herself. (But they didn’t ... did they?)

(The recorded phone call does not show that Zimmerman exhibited any fear but it did show his suspicion prior to identifying Martin as black)

Any wimp with a gun knows he has the advantage.

(Boy is it getting all racial up in here ... Right?)

Zim made it racial based on his own perception of young black males. Then the Sanford police dept. made it even more racial when they made every attempt to close the case and declare it justifiable homicide based on Zim's words alone. You really don't believe Sanford police would have attempted to help clear Zim if he'd gunned down a white teen innocently walking back from a convenience store after dark, do you?

(Evil Law Enforcement ... Right?)

Your words not mine. ;)

(It’s all about race with you ... I wonder why)

It is what it is. No need to be in denial.

July 5, 2013 at 8:04 p.m.
klifnotes said...

PlainTruth said... Kliffie: French? Love it when you talk dirty.

Should've known it wouldn't take much to get your motor roaring. LOL

here's some more: French cut FRENCH CUT!! FRENCH CUT!!!

F R E N C H C U T, BABY!! LMAO!!!!

ha! ha!! That should keep you busy for a while. Don't wear yourself out, now...there's always TOMORROW/tomorrow!! LOL!!

July 5, 2013 at 8:09 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Naw, Kliffie. The thrill is gone.

July 5, 2013 at 8:14 p.m.
alprova said...

Les wrote: "Obastard can't account for his time after 5:00 PM on 9/11/12. He disappeared from the grid totally. He owes us an explanation. Since he was heavy drug user for much of his life that can be the only explanation until he comes clean."

Earth to Les. The President doesn't owe you the time of day.

If it's sooooooo important to you, why don't you sit down, write a letter to him, DEMANDING that he give you an accounting of what he was up to after 5:00 pm on the 11th of September, 2012?

July 5, 2013 at 8:32 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Hey Toonie are you a racist? You have a shooting cartoon with a coupla white folk (again) on the same daysthe TFP has at least two stories on black-on-black shootings in Chatt town. Why you never draw black homies shooting each other to make a political point? Do these people not matter to you?

July 5, 2013 at 8:43 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Black on white or white on black sells. And fits the Dem narrative.

July 5, 2013 at 9:01 p.m.
tifosi said...

JonRacist- It is just killing your redneck that a black man is in the White House.

Did you get the TFP to let you use the N word you tried to use?

JonRacist said: "Why did the TFP censor let me post the word CRACKER when it will not let me post the n....r word ?"

July 5, 2013 at 9:04 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Toffee loves to use the R word.

July 5, 2013 at 9:13 p.m.
tifosi said...

When it applies. Are you a racist too?

I see you are using Lady Justice as an icon. She wears a blindfold, which is why our justice system now endorses same sex marriage. I bet you are happy about that.

July 5, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi posted "Jobs just keep popping up too."

Part time jobs popped up 360,000 while full time jobs dropped 240,000. Are you really proud of these numbers?

Dave Burge of Iowahawkblog said it best. "Unemployment report in a nutshell: The Taco Bell that had 30 40 hour workers now has 40 30 hour workers."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-05/obamacare-strikes-part-time-jobs-surge-all-time-high-full-time-jobs-plunge-240000

July 5, 2013 at 9:24 p.m.
tifosi said...

That's a helluva reputable source Rick1. I'm impressed... NOT. No wonder you have such a distorted view of reality.

TFP/NBC has these numbers:

"Leisure and hospitality added 75,000 jobs in June; professional and business services added 53,000; retail trade increased by 37,000; health care rose by 20,000; and employment in financial activities increased by 17,000."

July 5, 2013 at 9:28 p.m.
tifosi said...

JonRacist said: "Why did the TFP censor let me post the word CRACKER when it will not let me post the n....r word ?"

July 5, 2013 at 9:35 p.m.
tifosi said...

You type real big behind the safety of your keyboard. But, like a cockroach hide in the darkest corners of society.

You owe your freedom to great warriors like Charles Calvin Rogers.

July 5, 2013 at 9:46 p.m.
rick1 said...

tifosi, The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers) increased by 322,000 to 8.2 million in June. These individuals were working part time because their hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find a full-time job. (See table A-8.)

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

July 5, 2013 at 9:52 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

Justice (Delivered) For Attorney (No Longer) Lynne Stewart!! Your government wants her to die in prison?

(You mean this Lynne Stewart:)

From Wiki:

Lynne Irene Stewart was convicted on charges of conspiracy and providing material support to terrorists in 2005, and sentenced to 28 months in prison. Her felony conviction led to her being automatically disbarred. She was convicted of helping pass messages from her client, Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian cleric convicted of planning terror attacks, to his followers in al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, an organization designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the United States Secretary of State.

She was re-sentenced on July 15, 2010, to 10 years in prison in light of her perjury at her trial. She is currently serving her sentence at FMC Carswell in Ft Worth, Texas.

Stewart's breast cancer returned after she was imprisoned and had to wait eighteen months for that surgery. In the meantime the cancer metastasized to the point that her attending physician called it the worst case he had ever seen. She has received chemotherapy in custody but her condition is feared to be terminal.

(That’s government health care for you)

July 5, 2013 at 10:40 p.m.
alprova said...

Time for a "Cracker" lesson.

Do any of you people know the history of the word?

It dates back to times when Southerners owned slaves.

A "cracker" was one who used whips to beat black slaves.

The word has morphed into a word that is used by blacks to describe those who they consider to be white racists.

There are indeed a few genuine "crackers" hanging around here.

You know who you are and like leopards, you are highly unlikely to change your spots anytime soon.

July 5, 2013 at 11 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

klifnotes said...

Brandon Patrick Baker: Another casualty of Florida's Stand Your Ground law?


Well I guess you shouldn’t first get loaded on cocaine and drink until you are twice the legal limit. Then try to drive home weaving and running people off the road. When a concerned citizen tries to copy down your license number to notify the police you attack him punching him in the face until he shoots you dead. The prosecutor refuses to file charges and says he would not have even filed without the Stand Your Ground Law.

Another bad boy shot DRT and the gene pool improved.

July 5, 2013 at 11:02 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Time for a "Cracker" lesson.

Do any of you people know the history of the word?


That is one explanation but I’ve always doubted it since the black baseball team in Atlanta called themselves the Atlanta Black Crackers. Why would they do that if the term was a pejorative for whites.

Here are several explanations for the origin of the word.

Check it out on Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_(pejorative)

The use of words like that only means what the user intends it to mean and not the listeners interpretation. Many listeners are on a hair trigger to willfully misinterpret what is spoken so as to be the first to declare victim-hood.

July 5, 2013 at 11:19 p.m.
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