published Wednesday, December 12th, 2012

5-at-10: Draft talks, new coaches looking for new coaches

Avoid the Christmas rush and send your question for Friday's mailbag now. Don't cost nothing.

From the "Talks too much" studios, let's drop some logic...

Draft discussion

The 5-at-10 loves our family and Christmas and following sports for a living. We also love the draft. You know this.

We have also discussed at length how men over the age of 14 should avoid wearing jerseys unless they are handed to you by someone you call coach. That said, if there was a Mel Kiper replica wig out there, we'd be interested.

Kiper held another of his periodical conference calls on Tuesday and here is what our UT ace Downtown Patrick Brown gleaned about Tyler Bray. Here is what our SEC ace David Paschall learned about Aaron Murray.

Bray and Murray each have tall decisions looming, and each is complicated by the fact that no quarterback has emerged as the next big thing. In fact, Kiper said that N.C. State's Mike Glennon may be the best QB prospect out there in this draft cycle. That speaks volumes about the drop of Matt Barkley and Logan Thomas and Geno Smith.

It also makes you wonder about a Murray or even an A.J. McCarron. With the ability to put an impressive body of work on your resume against the SEC, which features the closest thing to NFL defenses, Murray and McCarron would be quarterbacks of interest.

As for Bray, we'd be stunned if he returned. KIper said he's a second-to-third round type of player right now and that his stock could increase. Well, that is if new coach Butch Jones reworks his offense around Bray as opposed to overhauling it toward the spread Jones prefers.

Plus, Kiper said Cordarrelle Patterson is the top WR on his board and is ranked 11th overall and Justin Hunter was projected as a second-rounder too, If those cats leave — Patterson has to as a mid-first-round guy and Hunter's injury would make that jump likely — that makes Bray's decision even easier.

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Filling out staffs

Speaking of new Tennessee football coach Butch Jones, there has been some grumbling this week about his staff. It reached a fevered pitch Tuesday when former UT quarterback and current USC receivers coach Tee Martin declined an offer to join Jones' staff.

Would Martin been a nice addition to this staff? Of course. He's a good coach that will be coveted on a yearly basis, and his decision to stay at USC with Lane Kiffin is just abother reason why Tennessee fans say Kiffin like Jerry Seinfeld says Newman. "Hello, Kiffff-IN."

But Martin's decision was just that — his decision. And for a guy like Jones, who received an overflowing lovefest because "he really wants to be at Tennessee" and this is his "dream job," assembling a staff for success is as much about feel as it is feelings. As obvious as it may sound, Jones must be comfortable with his assistants and the best way to make sure of that is hire the coaches with whom he's comfortable.

Sure, some of the hires may appear to be head-scratchers — new UT defensive backs coach Willie Martinez had the same job at Auburn last year, and as someone who followed the Auburn implosion closely, well let us note that AU's secondary had one, One, ONE interception in 12 games, and that let's just say the numbers didn't lie.

Hey, we're in complete wait-and-see on the newly hired head coaches so by default we're in wait-and-see mode on his staff. And in truth, even in Martinez's case, it's hard to know the scenes and settings of assistants at previous stops. Remember, Sal Sunseri — SAAALLLLL!!! — came to UT last year with an impressive resume.

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    This Sept. 23, 2009 file photo shows Rappers Flavor Flav, left, and Chuck D of the music group Public Enemy, perform at the 2009 VH1 Hip Hop Honors at the Brooklyn Academy of Music, in New York. The eclectic group of rockers Rush and Heart, rappers Public Enemy, songwriter Randy Newman, "Queen of Disco" Donna Summer and bluesman Albert King will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame next April in Los Angeles. The inductees were announced Tuesday by 2012 inductee Flea of The Red Hot Chili Peppers at a news conference in Los Angeles.
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Hall of Fame snub

Rush, Donna Summer and Randy Newman were among the eight musical greats inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall fo Fame on Tuesday.

They were joined by Heart, guitarist Albert King (not the former Maryland hoops star), Lou Adler, Quincy Jones and Public Enemy. Great group all around.

That said, as a fan of 1980s and 90s rap, the fact that Public Enemy was inducted and N.W.A. was not is a disservice to music in general and could be considered criminal to some.

Truth — there is no Public Enemy without N.W.A. Period and without reservation. N.W.A. Was ground-breaking in almost every sense. They took the 2 Live Crew nastiness and added the anger. It was over the top, in both a good and a bad way.

And if that’s not enough, look at the pieces of each group: Public Enemy was Chuck D and Flavor Flav, which in sports terms is LeBron with the Cavs looking for sidekicks. N.W.A. was Dr. Dre, Ice Cube and Eazy E, which is the 1980s Lakers for crying out loud.

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This and that

— An Indiana girls' high school basketball team beat an opponent 107-2 on Tuesday. Really? That coach should be suspended. Hey, nine times out of 10, we buy into the "It's their job to stop us" theory, especially in football, where there are play clocks and in truth, it's almost as humiliating to take a second- or third-quarter knee as it is to run off tackle. But in high school hoops, where there's no shot clock and not reason to push the tempo? And let's be really clear, to average 27 points a quarter, you have to push the tempo. And this is not like the Iowa dude who set the record within the frame work of that offense. Poorly played indeed.

— Remember the bowl contest. We've received a slew of entries that we'll update later today.

— Looks loike Kevin Youkilis is heading to the Yankees. Someone check on Jefe and Spy and the rest of Red Sox nation — this one will be tough to handle. Who gets more of the blame here: Youk for signing with the Yankees, Booby Valentine for being Booby Valentine or the Red Sox front office for letting this happen?

— It looks like the man you know better as Joe the Police from the What's Going Down episode of That's My Momma, Mr. Tommy Watson will be the next U.S. Ryder Cup captain. Here's our advice: Study closely exactly what Davis Love did... and do the exact opposite. Deal? Deal.

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Today’s question(s)

OK, we’re still filling out our Christmas movie bracket, and we’re looking for more detail.

We decided to have two four-movie brackets. Here’s what we have as the top four seeds:

In the St. Nick bracket

It’s a Womderful Life

Miracle on 34th Street

Die Hard

Love Actually

In the St. Nippy bracket

Christmas Vacation

A Christmas Story

Home Alone

Scrooged

Thoughts?

Also, here are three quick fill-in-the blank questions:

Best UT assistant coach ever?

Will Tyler Bray declare for the draft and how do you feel about that decision?

If you were an NFL GM and needed a QB, would you draft Bray, Aaron Murray or (blank) out of this class?

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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JonathanMCook said...

"As for Bray, we'd be stunned if he returned. KIper said he's a second-to-third round type of player right now and that his stock could increase. Well, that is if new coach Butch Jones reworks his offense around Bray as opposed to overhauling it toward the spread Jones prefers."

I wouldn't be surprised if he did leave since basically every JVF wants him out of Knoxville faster then Sheriff Lamb wanted that pornographer out of his county in last night's "Vegas".

But how he got to be labeled second or third round draft is beyond me. When you can't even hit your intended receivers and your quarterback coach appears to be Billy Bob Thorten himself (Bad Santa reference), you would expect him to be in the seventh or eighth round. Politics, gotta love it.

December 12, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Run JMC —

We're on board with Vegas. In fact, we're on board with Nashville too. And Dallas. So basically, all the TV the 5-at-10 watches is has a city as a title or is a sporting event. And most of the sporting events are New York vs. Dallas. Alas.

Bray has big-time skills and potential. He may very well have a 5 cent head, but a bunch of the draft is what you can do and what you could do more so than what you have done.

— 5-at-10

December 12, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

While not as sexy as the What's Going Down episode of That's My Momma, I did check out my cameo appearance on Big, Rich Texas that I got paid $45 bucks to participate in. I appear in approximately 6-7 scenes which are about 1-2 seconds apiece. All in the last eight minutes of the episode. The episode is called (no joke) "Meet the Boogers" and is available at Amazon for two bucks. Breaking into showbiz, gotta love it.

December 12, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
eljefe said...

There's not enough eggnog in the world to make the Youklis signing taste any less bitter. Stupid Yankees!!!

December 12, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
orangeguy said...

I think Bray is the perfect NFL Combine prospect. With that arm, under no pressure & without the mental aspect Bray will absolutely light up the combine and his stock will rise fast. All the mental issues at UT can be at least partially undone with a good interview. I think he goes and rides the offseason hype wave into the first round... And then takes 5 years to develop.

Not a great year to be in need of a QB.

Best UT assistant ever is Cutcliffe... By a longshot. He was the wizard behind Fulmer's curtain throug much of the 90's.

Seeing Youk in pinstripes will be tough for Red Sox Nation, but the fact that he was a shell of his former self last season should help. They just have to hope he doesn't find his groove in the Bronx.

December 12, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
jomo11 said...

Christmas Vacation and The Christmas Story are #1 and #1A . . .hands down

I kinda think that Butchy "encourages" Bray to go out early

December 12, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
compspeed said...

Hard to edge out any of the ones on the St. Nippy side of the bracket. One that hasn't been mentioned is "Trapped in Paradise". Carvey and Lovitiz make this one worth watching and can even overcome Nick "I'll make any movie you want me to I need the money" Cage.

Butch will be just fine, Can't spell Butch without UT. Unfortunately, you can't spell another infamous recent UT incident without the letters in Butch. But as you say this is a family column and we won't go there....

December 12, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.
jgreeson said...

JMC —

Are we going to need to start introducing you as the Mocs Fan you know better as That Guy extra in the "Meet the Boogers" episode of Big, Rich Texas?

When are you getting your star on the Walk of Fame?

Jefe —

We can't think of anything that the taste of egg nog would actually improve. Egg nog — Holiday loogie tradition for generations. It's the liquid Fruit Cake for crying out loud.

That said, sorry about Youk.

Orange —

Great post. Well-played indeed.

Complete concur about Bray making every through at the combine and turning heads. And if he interviews well, he could sneak into the back end of round. And you're spot on that it's not a great year to be hunting a franchise QB.

And while Youk may be a shell of his former self, does anyone doubt he's going to hit .450 in the 19 games against Boston (all of which will be on either ESPN or Fox and take 4.5 hours)?

Jomo —

We too can see Butch calling Tyler in the office and handing him the numbers of some really good agents and combine coaches.

— 5-at-10

December 12, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
chas9 said...

Any chance Butch slipped Mel a fiver to say what he said?

The one interception stat is a stunner. War Dam Canary!

We hated to see Tee leave the bluegrass. Liked Randy, too.

Can't argue with Cutcliffe, but the most under-appreciated was The Chief. Many a Volniac screamed "Johnnnnnny!" the way they yelled "Saaaaaaaaal!"

By the way, what's your Rushmore of sports-related Johnnies?

The NCAA is celebrating 75 years of its Dig Dance by releasing its top 75 tourney players ever, its top 25 teams, and top 35 moments.

Among the top players were UK's Issel, Givens, Delk and Davis. Nobody in orange, not even Bernie. The best 25 teams included The Cats in 1995-96 and last year's team. Kentucky figured in two of the 35 top moments, neither in a winning way. There's the historic Texas Western defeat and the Laettner kick in the crotch in '92. Laettner also made the list for killing UConn on a last-second shot two years earlier. Stupid Laettner.

Come January the NCAA will sponsor online fan voting for the 15 top tourney players. A chance for the ever-faithful Rocky Toppers to slide King or Houston in there.

December 12, 2012 at 12:09 p.m.
Blueoval said...

Best Assistant at UT ever: David Cutcliffe. He was a good OC and a very good QB coach. He's coached some great ones.

Bray and the draft? I'm not sure what he is going to do and honestly don't care if he does declare for the draft this year. We all know he has a cannon for a arm but he also has that 5 cent head and I keep remembering a lot of plays where he had someone open this year but over threw them by a mile. He also had to be replaced in a couple of games as well. So, yeah I kind of hope he does declare for the draft.

I honestly don't think I would draft Bray or Murray. I'm going defense this year cause defense wins championships!

December 12, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

This isn't like Damon or Clemens or Boggs going to the Evil Empire when they were still in their prime or had some prime left in them. One look at Youk in both Sox last year revealed he is done. He hit .233 for Boston ... and hit .236 for Shy-cargo. I got no problem with the Yanks taking Youk. Because at this stage, they're not getting much for their investment.

December 12, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
dawg747 said...

Ten Cup: I would say Bray is gone because coach Jones needs someone who can run. As for Murray I like him but if he leaves the cupboard is not bare at Georgia becuse of Hudson Mason. The kid has an arm and a good head on his shoulders plus we still have Gurley and Marshall.

Do not see how Willie Martinez will improve the sticks in the UT secondary that that looked like they were in mud last year as backs ran right by them.

In the St. Nick bracket I like: It's A Wonderful Life. In the St. Nippy bracket I like: Christmas Vacation.

December 12, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

Randy Sanders was underrated in K-Town, too.

And are you talking Johns or St. John alums? The first one would definitely inlcude Johnny U. the latter would definitely include Chris Mullin.

Interesting stuff about the Big Dance. And as much as we know it will pain you, Laettner should likely be the No. 1 tournament player ever — Dude played in four Final Fours.

Oval —

We've heard that a bunch from Johnny Vols Fans about Bray — loads of talent, indifferent whether he stays or goes. We would likely take either Murray or Bray if you're talking fourth-round on. Bray has more upside; Murray more reliable. (And yes, we realize that's hardly breaking news.)

Spy —

You don't think there is real, "Dumped former girl drops 25 pounds, starts working out and gets some work done" potential with Youk. He may only hit .250 this year, but here's saying he slays the Sox.

Dawg747 —

No doubt about it, Mason can play. Dude was a high school teammate of Phillip Lutzenkirchen at Lassiter in Marietta. Kid can sling it.

It's a Wonderful Life is the Christmas movie version of Dennis Rodman — when it started out it was great and everyone tried to copy it; then everyone started talking about how great it was and underrated it was and it was on every day during the Christmas season that it eventually became overrated and that caused folks to have some backlash against it. Now that NBC bought it and airs in only on Christmas Eve, we remember how truly special it is.

— 5-at-10

December 12, 2012 at 1:24 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

"well let us note that AU's secondary had one, One, ONE interception in 12 games" - Wow - I had no idea. Speechless. There are no FOIB adjectives that can describe that. War chicken & hop on the Gus Bus.

December 12, 2012 at 1:26 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

No, 5, watching Youk attempt to bat/play the field was painful. He's shot. A-Rod has more range at third base now. Generalissimo Francisco Franco has more range at third. And he's still dead.

December 12, 2012 at 1:43 p.m.
dawg747 said...

Ten Cup: I remember the day I really started watching It's A Wonderful Life. I came in one day and my dad was watching it and I picked up the remote and turned the TV to something sports. My dad looked at me and wanted to know what I was doing then proceeded to tell me in no uncertain terms to turn it back. I said stupid remote. I have, never, Never, NEVER turned it while it was on again. Still love it till this day.

December 12, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
sportsfan said...

Jay - I bet if you asked Peyton, he'd say Cutcliffe. He might even suggest that it was his coaching that made Peyton the on the field leader that he is today. As for Bray, he might shine in the combine, but when (and in my opinion, if) he ever gets under center in the NFL, he'll fold like a cheap suit at the sound of the oncoming defensive linemen. I'd suggest "Fred Claus" in your holiday movie bracket.

December 12, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
jgreeson said...

HEY GANG remember the bowl contest in Monday's 5-at-10.

From earlier —

Compspeed —

Thanks for staying within the friendly confines of the F-O-I-B nature, especially this time of year when we all know Santa's watching.

Spy —

Hey, Father Time can be a cantankerous cuss — it happens when Mother Nature keeps bossing you all the time — but still. What does Youk provide: Dude is a pro, who is a competitor and who will still get on base 38-40 percent of the time.

And name the last AL team to win because of defense?

747 —

We bought It's a Wonderful Life and watched it on Christmas Eve even before NBC started re-running it. We love it too. And Donna Reed?... hubba hubba.

sportsfan —

Cutcliffe is running away with this one. And that's probably just.

Fred Claus is one of those that we meant to watch have never remembered to. Does that happen to anyone else?

— 5-at-10

December 12, 2012 at 2:04 p.m.
Livn4life said...

Cutcliffe gets my nod as BAT(bestalltime)UT assistant with Chavis as a close second.

Christmas...St. Nick..Gotta be It's A Wonderful Life-my favorite line is, "Well, you look about like the type of angel I'd get." or something to that effect when George hears that Clarence is an angel come to help him. St. Nippy...well it has to be Christmas Vacation...and as far as Bray, Patterson, and Hunter returning to Knoxville next year...in the words of cousin Eddie, "That's a nice surprise Clark, just a real nice surprise." I think all parties; players and UT alike will be best served if they all go. JMO(justmyopinion) I'd have to draft Murray over Bray because Murray is more solid in decision making under pressure. I will be (nicely)surprised if Murray leaves.

PS Melvin Kiper has "nice" hair 5 At; you know this....

December 12, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
chas9 said...

For the Friday bag: How many bowl games will you watch? List them in order from most to least compelling. if it's more than ten, just list your top ten. (I'm watching six at most. Title game, Cotton, Fiesta, Chick, Capital One, Sugar. Could watch others if I find myself alone in a room with crazy old Aunt Doris or my worthless brother-in-law.)

How weak is The Rose with Wisconsin? At least a Badger's a cool mascot.

December 12, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
chas9 said...

According to a late-breaking TFP news headline, Tennessee's GOP has decided it can run state government with No Beavers. Comment?

December 12, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Livn(Large)

Kiper's got boss hair. Big-time boss hair. We all know this.

There are so many great lines in IAWL.

— Well, is it too much to have them work and pay and live and die in a couple of decent rooms and a bath? Anyway, my father didn't think so. People were human beings to him. But to you, a warped, frustrated old man, they're cattle. Well in my book, my father died a much richer man than you'll ever be!

— Well, then you can swallow it, and it'll all dissolve, see... and the moonbeams would shoot out of your fingers and your toes and the ends of your hair... am I talking too much?

— A toast to my big brother George: The richest man in town.

— Oh, that uh, that there's an RV. Yeah, yeah, I borrowed it off a buddy of mine. He took my house, I took the RV. It's a good looking vehicle, ain't it?... Yeah, it sure does. But, don't you go falling in love with it now, because, we're taking it with us when we leave here next month.

(OK that last one may have been from Cousin Eddie.)

9er —

You're in. And we're cool with Badgers. They're no Wolverines, though.

WOLVERINES! (Hey was Red Dawn a Christmas movie?)

— 5-at-10

December 12, 2012 at 3:06 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

Well, all we can say to a state without a beavers is dam.

Thank you, we'll be here all week.

— 5-at-10

December 12, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Sorry everybody, it has been a busy day in multichannel land (don't ask).

Jay-

Run JMC will surfice. ^^() However, my other Texas showbiz credits include:

"The Crash at Crush" Dallas Hub Theatre An industrial video that is on YouTube Current cast member of "Keith and Margo's Texas Murder Mystery" Two radio dramas for "Reading and Radio Resource-Dallas"

"Fred Claus is one of those that we meant to watch have never remembered to. Does that happen to anyone else?"

Here's my short list on said topic:

Fred Claus Authur Christmas The "Prep and Landing" Specials

Also, we forgot to include "Jingle All the Way" in the previous listings. Arnold is hit and miss when it comes to comedy but the scene I refer to as "The Most Wonderful Time of the Year" (if you actually seen the movie, you will get the reference), is worth the price of admission.

December 12, 2012 at 4:05 p.m.
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