published Wednesday, February 6th, 2013

Bennett Archive: Unity

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

Ha. And partly agree. But when the two old parties cooperate in overspending, overtaxing, overregulating, crony capitalism (when the government makes someone rich, or keeps them rich, by defending them from competition or from their own failure), and in trying to govern without the President of presidents, Jesus Christ, they did us all deeper into our hole. Who rose from the dead, the founding fathers or Jesus of Nazareth?

February 6, 2013 at 12:17 a.m.
Maximus said...

Who wants to be "bipartisan" with a Marxist gangster thug Chicago politician like Obama? Clay, you missed the mark on accuracy, the guy with the ASS shirt should be an angry black guy, Barry Obama The Welfare Pimp. Congratulations to the Republican led congress for not cooperating with the Marxist Democrats. Most every piece of legislation brought forward by Congress to move the country forward has been shot down by the Las Vegas Gangster Sen. Harry Reid. Furk Them! I am soooooooo happy Obama approves of gay scout leaders though. There goes another fine American institution ruined by Obama. He really, really has a chip on his black liberation, Rev. Wright, shoulder doesn't he. Obama's transformation of America is driven by his policy of daily crisis. Wonder what it will be today? Let's see, hmmm, the Democrats ruined the public schools in the name of fairness and now are trashing the greatest healthcare system in the world to take care of supposedly 20 million uninsured trifling people when there are over 300 million Americans. Typical, trash healthcare for the majority of American's in order to cover a small group of folks that do not want to pay for healthcare and were getting it free any way. Idiotic big government bullying. Pure and simple, the Democrats led by Obama want those health insurance premiums paid by hard working Americans to private insurance companies to be paid to the NANNY STATE GOVERNMENT instead. Bank it, its not about improving healthcare, its about Obama's desire to capture those monthly insurance payments currently being paid to the private sector by those not yet on Mediscare. Single payer is the devious objective. Obama hates the private sector. Look for your health insurance premiums and IRS penalties to $$$$increase with Obamacare and oh yea....goodbye BCBS Of Tennessee. That gleaming headquarters on the hill over looking Chatt will soon be a ghost town and the high paying BCBS jobs will be dust in the wind. Obamacare will be a cluster f sierra! Mediocrity for everyone....or else! Yours truly, Barry Obama

February 6, 2013 at 5:11 a.m.
caddy said...

Agreed, Andrew Lohr & Maximus. There are NO Political Saviors. Predestination by God is implicit or explicit in all of Scripture. Predestination by man, however, is implicit and explicit in humanism, scientific socialism, cultural Marxism, and in every doctrine of political salvation. Man seeks to supplant God's eternal decree with his own total plan. The scientific socialist state is man's predestination of man and his world. You are getting a glimpse of what it looks like. Like what you see ??

February 6, 2013 at 8:41 a.m.
Reardon said...

Nice reboot 'toon considering the previous "unity" rendition.

February 6, 2013 at 9:46 a.m.
Maximus said...

Wow, not many responsive threads today. I know most intelligent people agree with the "On Point" observations I made earlier on Clay's current doodle. It is either that, or I believe today is EBT Card day and most of Clay's political cronies are at Wal-Mart or the strip club spending their government draw check. YeeeeeAAAAA!

February 6, 2013 at 10:03 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool. — Mark Twain

Cartoon needed of Mohammed and Jesus fighting over who's the most peaceful, loving, and believable.

February 6, 2013 at 10:07 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

"You know and I know that there is nothing contained in the Bible that commands anyone to provide a non-secular education in public schools,"

Good for you. You got that right.

"as you claimed once again,"

Nope, that is your false accusation. Again paste the words where I made that claim.

"after denying that you made such a statement."

Yes, and I deny it again.

again what I said following your quote:

alprova,

"Conservative, how's it coming with your digging up the definitive Biblical scripture reference that commands us to love the Lord and to be a good neighbor by providing religious instruction to every child enrolled in our public schools?"

Your premise is wrong, you made that up. That is a strawman. There is no commandment of God to provide " religious instruction to every child enrolled in our public schools?" and I have never stated there was such a commandment. Paste where I said that. Again you made that up.

Now, I did write the following, the words in quotes are those of MTJohn :

Now, MTJohn, recall your words:

"Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

"I'm all for reforming public education based on that principle"

In your haste to be sanctimonious with me MTJohn, you trapped yourself, as I said before. Someone who truly loved their neighbor and who sought to obey that commandment of God and the words of Jesus would surely seek to instruct school children in God's word.

cont.

February 6, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
Maximus said...

Dayton...how do you find religion in Clays toon? Is it non-theist 24/7 with you? Get a life man. OK already, you don't believe in God and there is no after life, is that all you got? Very weak. I do like Darwin's survival of the fittest concept. Our government would do well to follow that concept also. Again, replace food stamps, welfare etc. with a big warehouse containing jars of peanut butter, hook chedder cheese, and saltine crackers. If you require guvment relief you have to get yourself to one of these warehouses and pick up your guvment commodities. People would find a job quickly...................

February 6, 2013 at 10:36 a.m.
conservative said...

cont.

Now this nation had prayer and Bible reading in our schools in the past along with instruction is math, english, science etc. You Liberals put a stop to that.

Once again MTJohn stated :

"Conservative - another man, in whom I place greater trust than the trust that you have in Winston, had all of us in mind when he said:"

"Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

"I'm all for reforming public education based on that principle" end of quote

The basic meaning of "reform" is change. Well and good. But if a Christian truly wants reform in our public schools and seeks to practice "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself" that Christian will want to get prayer and Bible reading back in class. If he can't then allow that Christian parent to get his children out of that public school to a private school where his children can get a thorough education. This should be a no brainer for a Christian.

There is no doubt in my mind that God will not except the anti God excuse of "well it will use public money." Hogwash - we are only stewards of God's money, money which we individuals should use to Glorify God as required of good stewards.

Besides, the argument of the schools losing public money when a child goes to a private school is bogus. Why? Because a lost child to private education is LOST EXPENSE to the public school, it is a wash. It is just another fallacious argument of teachers unions, Liberals and the usual suspects.

An even greater anti God excuse is the lie regarding the First Amendment of not allowing prayer and Bible reading in public schools. You won't fool God on that one either.

I will gladly debate you on the misuse of the First Amendment alprova.

February 6, 2013 at 10:43 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

"Nope, that is your false accusation. Again paste the words where I made that claim."

"You two were so blind in trying to find fault with me that neither of you could see YOUR CONTRADICTION in disallowing the Bible to be taught in school or allow some children to attend a school where the Bible or Scripture is taught, thus obeying the command above."

February 3, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.

"Someone who truly loved their neighbor and who sought to obey that commandment of God and the words of Jesus would surely seek to instruct school children in God's word."

"Your premise is wrong, you made that up. That is a strawman."

It's not a strawman nor is it made up. You copy and pasted this just today:

"Someone who truly loved their neighbor and who sought to obey that commandment of God and the words of Jesus would surely seek to instruct school children in God's word."

"I have never stated there was such a commandment. Paste where I said that. Again you made that up."

Alprova never stated that you said there was, moron. But you did imply that your argument was based on Biblical/Christian principles in your quote above. It isn't based on anything Biblical.

February 6, 2013 at 11 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

"I hate to point out the obvious, but it's no wonder to me why you fear the wrath of God."

Another false accusation but I will ask you again-

Do you fear the wrath of God?

February 6, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

"But if a Christian truly wants reform in our public schools and seeks to practice "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself" that Christian will want to get prayer and Bible reading back in class."

That "reform" is mentioned nowhere in the Bible. It is your opinion only. It has nothing to do with being a Christian or not.

"we are only stewards of God's money, money which we individuals should use to Glorify God as required of good stewards."

The same god that rebuked the money changers in the Temple? Strange how you just make up the rules as you go.

"An even greater anti God excuse is the lie regarding the First Amendment of not allowing prayer and Bible reading in public schools."

We've had this debate before and you're still wrong. It doesn't matter how much you argue or bitch about it. The 1st Amendment will never be interpreted the way you interpret it.

"You won't fool God on that one either."

Delusion and narcissism at it's finest. Keep acting like you're speaking for your god. Everyone else will keep thinking you're crazy.

February 6, 2013 at 11:10 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

"Another false accusation"

So you don't fear the wrath of god? Do you even know what "false accusation" means or are you just a liar?

"Do you fear the wrath of God?"

Question was already answered by Alprova yesterday.

February 6, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Maximus sputtered :Dayton...how do you find religion in Clays toon? Is it non-theist 24/7 with you? Get a life man. OK already, you don't believe in God and there is no after life, is that all you got?"

I enjoy making fun of fanatical Christians and other religious fanatics beliefs as delusional, ignorant, and based on superstitions. Lohr began as saying Jesus is "President of presidents! and rose from the dead."

This is the type of stupidity these people would have taught in schools, written in government buildings, preached as reality to children and use tax dollars to support.

That's BS and I intend to make fun of such hokum and the idiot religious wankers who promote such voodoo in public forums and using public facilities.

While Conservative quotes and drools, Lohr sings, Orr goes on his homo kick, and Caddy panders to scientific illiteracy and superstitious malarkey, I offer my views.

This is not a Christian nation, never has been and I hope it never will be. Ridiculing the practices and beliefs of these nutters is great fun. Poking fun at imaginary deities and the resulting systems of tomfoolery is better than counting angels on the head of a pin.

What these people do in their homes and churches is great, well, and good for them.

But when that Dark Ages religious mumbo-jumbo is in the public forum, it becomes an easy target to dispatch. I do so easily with science, reason, humor and satire.

Those god-fearing yokels are welcome to do the same. So far, they haven't even scratched me.

February 6, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Concerning the teaching of Scripture to children:

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. Deuteronomy 6:4-7

Now think about this:

MTJohn quoted the expansion of verse 5 by Jesus - "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself"

Then MTJohn immediately followed with this - "I'm all for reforming public education based on that principle"

But notice how he conveniently left out verses 6 and 7 which would get to the heart of the matter of him obeying the supreme law and the need for "reforming public education."

MTJohn left out teaching children the commandments of God in verse 7!

Notice also the duration of the teaching of children the commandments of God. It was all day wherever they were at.

February 6, 2013 at 11:42 a.m.
jesse said...

I think con man is about 2 steps from declarin him self the "Returned Messiah!"

February 6, 2013 at 11:49 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Conservative does have the mindset of a flagellate. I'm waiting for his self-imposed crucifixion at the Farmer's Market on Easter.

Is he wearing Jerusalem cruisers, flowing robes, and carrying a cross on his Hoveround while shopping at Wal-Mart?

February 6, 2013 at noon
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

"But notice how he conveniently left out verses 6 and 7 which would get to the heart of the matter of him obeying the supreme law and the need for "reforming public education.""

Nothing in those two verses mentions anything about the need for reforming public education or teaching Christianity in public school. The people at that time wouldn't know who Jesus was. They were Jews anyway.

"MTJohn left out teaching children the commandments of God in verse 7!"

You left out the part about where people should teach their own children. I didn't read the word "school" in there once.

"Notice also the duration of the teaching of children the commandments of God. It was all day wherever they were at."

No it wasn't. It says nothing about sitting in a school. It mentions sitting in your house, walking, getting up and going to sleep but nothing about sitting in a school.

February 6, 2013 at noon
Handleit said...

Let's see... the toon today is about the 2 leading political parties not being able to work together. Heck, if I had wanted a Sunday school lesson I would have attended church today. Good grief!

February 6, 2013 at 12:39 p.m.
Maximus said...

Daytonsdarwin....Wow, very weird and sad life mission. I would put money on a hunch....I bet you are a big prostitution and porn guy. Be careful Darwin, the FBI is watching and will seize your computer. If there is nothing left out there why don't you just shoot yourself?

February 6, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Maximus, there's a big, beautiful universe out there that I love. I just don't need imaginary deities, insane religious fanatics, and fools like you to enjoy that universe and make my own journey through life meaningful.

I find amusement and laughter in puncturing the hot-air balloons of religious claptrap. I also find it honorable to tell people they don't need imaginary gods, pious preachers and priests, and superstitious nonsense to have and enjoy a good life, the only life they'll have.

February 6, 2013 at 12:46 p.m.
alprova said...

"Now this nation had prayer and Bible reading in our schools in the past along with instruction is math, english, science etc. You Liberals put a stop to that."

First of all, I haven't been a part of "putting a stop" to anything, hence the us of the word "you" is ridiculous.

Second, what you typed up above is a damnable lie. There is absolutely no prohibition in place that prevents a student from silently bowing one's head to pray (You know...the way we are commanded to do) nor is there any prohibition for any student to choose to read a Bible at appropriate times, such as when they are not actively engaged in classroom activities.

"The basic meaning of "reform" is change. Well and good. But if a Christian truly wants reform in our public schools and seeks to practice "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself" that Christian will want to get prayer and Bible reading back in class."

Only public sessions of either have been stopped. You're totally clueless to what the Bible says about public prayer, as it is an issue that you have forever ignored, and if a student is at a point where they are not required to be actively participating in a classroom, for instance, while they are waiting on the rest of the class to finish a test, there is nobody who would prevent them from reading their Bible. They can read their Bible while in homeroom. They can read the Bible while eating lunch. They can read their Bible while at recess.

And let's not forget, that children can have unfettered access to their Bibles while attending church or when in their homes. They can spend all of their off time praying to their heart's content.

This all goes back to my repetitive point that there is a time and a place for everything.

"If he can't then allow that Christian parent to get his children out of that public school to a private school where his children can get a thorough education. This should be a no brainer for a Christian."

No one is stopping any Christian parent who desires to place their child in a school where they will receive religious instruction. But...you're not going to be allowed to use taxpayer money to indoctrinate your kids. That's your choice and your expense.

Here's a thought...Ask God to provide you the funds needed to do it. You believe in the power of prayer, don't you?

"There is no doubt in my mind that God will not except the anti God excuse of "well it will use public money." Hogwash - we are only stewards of God's money, money which we individuals should use to Glorify God as required of good stewards."

I don't think God has a thing to do with money. What would he need it for?

(To be continued)

February 6, 2013 at 12:52 p.m.
alprova said...

(Continued)

"Besides, the argument of the schools losing public money when a child goes to a private school is bogus. Why? Because a lost child to private education is LOST EXPENSE to the public school, it is a wash. It is just another fallacious argument of teachers unions, Liberals and the usual suspects."

Whether there is one student or sixty in a classroom, the basic costs of educating our children are about the same. Think about it. Buildings and maintenance costs go on, as do teacher's salaries, utilties, etc. The only savings would be a minute cost for school provided supplies, and these days, those are few and far between.

"An even greater anti God excuse is the lie regarding the First Amendment of not allowing prayer and Bible reading in public schools. You won't fool God on that one either."

Your premise that prayer and reading the Bible is not allowed in public schools is false to begin with. They have been transformed from public to private activities.

"I will gladly debate you on the misuse of the First Amendment alprova."

No need. You're doing a great job of debating yourself, and unfortunately, you're losing the debate...horribly.

February 6, 2013 at 12:52 p.m.
champ1 said...

How did you guys get from this cartoon to fighting about religion? Funny cartoon Clay....

February 6, 2013 at 1 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative asked for the umpteenth time: "Do you fear the wrath of God?"

I've answer that question at least twice. I suggest you search the archives. You do it for material used in your other posts.

I'm well aware that I could simply respond with an answer, but I'm not going to indulge your desire to fill up this forum with repetitive posts that say the same thing over and over and over.

February 6, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova:

I never ever mentioned silent prayer, that is your invented strawman. You full well know what I meant.

You deem Christianity as indoctrination, I deem anti Christian teaching as indoctrination.

ALL wealth whether gold, silver, property, cattle is God's and we are just stewards of what he has given us:

"Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God." Ecclesiastes 5:19

"The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the Lord of hosts." Haggai 2:8

"Whether there is one student or sixty in a classroom, the basic costs of educating our children are about the same."

YIKES!

Yes, it takes the same size classroom to educate one or sixty.

Yes the cost of a building is the same for one or sixty students, needed size has nothing to do with it.

Yes, the cost of electricity is the same whether you heat and cool a small building or a large building.

Yes, teachers never holler for smaller classes so that more teachers will be hired to pay those union dues

Yes, the cost of parking lots will stay the same whether we have 1 student or 60 students or 2 or 120 students or 4 or 240 students

Yes, the cost of cafeteria food stays the same whether we feed one or sixty

Yes, the cost of computers stay the same whether we have 1 student or 60 students, or 2 or 120 students or 4 or 240 students.

Yes, the cost and number of toilets is the same whether we have 1 student or 60 students, after all they can just hold it.

YIKES!

February 6, 2013 at 1:58 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "alprova, Concerning the teaching of Scripture to children: (Quotation of Deuteronomy 6:4-7 followed)"

"Now think about this: MTJohn quoted the expansion of verse 5 by Jesus - "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself""

No he didn't post an "expansion of verse 5" or anything to do with Deuteronomy. He quoted one of several other scriptures that read EXACTLY as he posted it. He cited every one of them.

"But notice how he conveniently left out verses 6 and 7 which would get to the heart of the matter of him obeying the supreme law and the need for "reforming public education."..."

You truly are a moron. He never once cited Deuteronomy 6:4-7 and therefore did not leave anything out. You are once again bearing false witness. The exact quote he cited does not even appear in Deuteronomy 6:4-7.

"Notice also the duration of the teaching of children the commandments of God. It was all day wherever they were at."

I'm not about to discount the wisdom in keeping the Ten Commandments, nor teaching them to your children, but as is always the case, context is everything.

Deuteronomy 6 follows Moses gathering all of Israel to relate the Ten Commandments. 6:1 reads, "These are the commands, decrees and laws the Lord your God directed me to teach you to observe in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess."

But let's back up to Deuteronomy 5:2-3;

"2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today."

Now...let's fast forward to your newest claim that we are to "teach our children the Ten Commandments all day, wherever they are at."

Deuteronomy 6: 6-9 "6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates."

Tell me conservative, did you conveniently leave out verses 8 and 9? Are there symbols reminding you of the Ten Commandments tied to hands or binded on your forehead? Are they written on the door frames of your home and on any gates that you may have?

Do you understand what a metaphor is?

Not only do I read that Moses was speaking to Israelites who were alive on that day, I read that the instruction was to love the Lord and assure that parents teach the Ten Commandments to their children, metaphorically, until they can recite them on their own, and fully understand them.

If modern day people honored such an instruction from Moses, to the letter, as Deuteronomy 6:7 reads, I'm quite sure that kids across the land would have blown their brains out by the age of five.

February 6, 2013 at 2 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "alprova: I never ever mentioned silent prayer, that is your invented strawman. You full well know what I meant."

No I don't. Your claim is that prayer in school was banned. Prayer in public schools has not been banned at all. There are no longer public demonstrations of prayer in public schools.

"You deem Christianity as indoctrination, I deem anti Christian teaching as indoctrination."

Touché. There's only one problem. No one is "teaching" anti-Christianity in public schools. Your charge is false.

February 6, 2013 at 2:11 p.m.
conservative said...

"You truly are a moron. He never once cited Deuteronomy 6:4-7 and therefore did not leave anything out. You are once again bearing false witness. The exact quote he cited does not even appear in Deuteronomy 6:4-7."

"He never once cited Deuteronomy 6:4-7"

You just don't get it. That was my point. He actually wrote "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself"

I have cited that many times and you still don't get the meaning and importance of that. Stop and think what that means. It has significant meaning. It is not just a sugestion. Stop and think what that means. Your repudiation of Scripture has rendered you blind. Stop and think about what that means.

He immediately followed that with :

"I'm all for reforming public education based on that principle"

Now, a Christian knowing that God wants his children to know his word and obey his word would certainly call for reforms in education worthy of that "principle" as he called it. Why? if not for no other reason than the anti Christian views taught in public schools.

This obviously has no meaning or importance to you. You have constantly displayed your contempt for God and his word? Would you like for me to quote your past hateful, arrogant and blasphemous remarks?

Yes, he never cited those other verses because they contained the words "teach" "diligently" and other words which made clear that this "teaching" in Deuteronomy was continuous:

"And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. Deuteronomy 6:7

What he quoted was the words of Jesus which was just an expansion of the Deuteronomy passage and these words of Deuteronomy 6:7 which undermined his claim both to "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself" and claiming "I'm all for reforming public education based on that principle"

I believe you will still not get it because :

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned 1 Corinthians 2:14"

I abhor false prophets who lead others astray. You not having a clue is one thing. You deceiveing others here about God and us not even having the word of God is another thing.

You are one poor miserable man and I do feel sorry for you. However in the future I will just quote you when I see that you are trying to mislead others. Believe me I have enough on file to convince any but the most hardened of your standing with God

February 6, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "You just don't get it. That was my point. He actually wrote "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself"

You have a point when you claim that he left off a verse to a passage of scripture that he never cited?

The only point I see is that you are fast becoming a false witness professional.

"I have cited that many times and you still don't get the meaning and importance of that. Stop and think what that means. It has significant meaning. It is not just a sugestion. Stop and think what that means. Your repudiation of Scripture has rendered you blind. Stop and think about what that means."

It's a never ending circle with you. You write English, yet you never write a sentence that begins to make logical sense. Your understanding of the Bible is worse than that of a child.

You're out there in outer-space.

"You have constantly displayed your contempt for God and his word? Would you like for me to quote your past hateful, arrogant and blasphemous remarks?"

I care not what you consider to be hateful, arrogant or blasphemous. That is merely your personal opinion. There is nothing factual in your assessments.

I am only guilty of quoting exact scripture and events as they are written in the modern Bible that you consider "God's word."

"I abhor false prophets who lead others astray. You not having a clue is one thing. You deceiveing others here about God and us not even having the word of God is another thing."

Abhor anything you desire. Your problems are not my problems. I seriously doubt at this point, that there is one person, unless they are as bat-crap crazy as yourself, who believes that you have the cognitive ability to understand a thing you read, whether it is in the Bible or in this forum.

"You are one poor miserable man and I do feel sorry for you."

Please...don't you fret one bit for me. I am just fine, and as I stated the other day, I don't know what the word "miserable" means and haven't for years.

"However in the future I will just quote you when I see that you are trying to mislead others. Believe me I have enough on file to convince any but the most hardened of your standing with God"

Stalk much?

February 6, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.
Maximus said...

Daytons Darwin and Alprova....for you two non-theists (I learned this term from the Canary pagan/witch) what is your take on love and marriage? I kind of have an idea but inquiring minds want to know.

February 6, 2013 at 7:45 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_ feigns shock as Ron Paul fires from the hip. One of the top four Republican Presidential Candidates from 2012 speaks his mind, and tu_ says he's off target. A man that got a good bit of support from conservatives on this thread shoots off his mouth, and tu_ goes ballistic.

February 6, 2013 at 8:28 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...The basic meaning of "reform" is change. Well and good. But if a Christian truly wants reform in our public schools and seeks to practice "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself" that Christian will want to get prayer and Bible reading back in class. If he can't then allow that Christian parent to get his children out of that public school to a private school where his children can get a thorough education. This should be a no brainer for a Christian.

Conservative - this Christian believes that loving my neighbor as myself, as it relates to public education, means that I want every child to receive the same quality, secular education that I expect the public schools to provide to my children.

This Christian believes that loving my neighbor as myself, as it relates to religious training, means that I respect the right of every parent to teach their children their faith tradition, in their home, just as I did with my children.

This Christian believes that loving my neighbor as myself means that I respect the right of parents to choose alternatives to public education. It does not mean that I expect the government to pay for that choice. But, as I said, I am willing to consider vouchers. And, as I have said, my opinion of an acceptable voucher system is one that is means tested and requires the recipient schools to provided an accredited education and not discriminate in their enrollment policy.

February 6, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Maximus said...

Daytons Darwin what is your take on love and marriage? . . .inquiring minds want to know.

Sorry Maximus. You mouth-breathing, ignorant bigots aren't my type. But Conservative and Orr may be interested.

February 6, 2013 at 9 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Daytons Darwin and Alprova....for you two non-theists (I learned this term from the Canary pagan/witch) what is your take on love and marriage? I kind of have an idea but inquiring minds want to know."

daytonsdarwin is free to respond as he wishes, however, I will not engage in any conversation that involves someone accusing me of being a "non-theist."

Further, based on the content of your posts, I consider you to be nothing short of a pathological liar, a fake, and a fraud.

And lastly, I have every reason to believe that you do not speak on behalf of any "inquiring mind" other than your own.

By all means, please resume your diatribe posting, so indicative of and a testimony to, one who has received their higher education at Vanderbilt University, one who claimed at one point to own a plethora of businesses, at another time, claimed to be an heir to the Little Debbie fortune, and on another day, claimed to be retired and now only lives off of investments, not to mention your claim to live on Signal Mountain on an expansive estate that contains the finer things that life has to offer.

It's very hard to understand why someone would go to such lengths to invent themselves in anonymous settings, but cutting through all of your cow patties, the one thing I am quite certain of, is that you are nothing short of a common Internet troll.

February 6, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I agree with you Alprova and your rejection of the term non-theist as it applies to you.

The rest of your post is quite accurate as well.

DD

February 6, 2013 at 9:31 p.m.
alprova said...

DD, I respect your personal choice to believe as you do. Perhaps one day, you will feel different. Perhaps not. But make no mistake, your decision is a personal matter and it should never be influenced by others.

It bothers me greatly whenever someone pretends to be morally superior or a better Christian than someone else. If one does believe in God, and most of what can be read in the Bible, the only logical conclusion is that we are all sinners and we all fall short of the glory of God.

Thus, no one is better than anyone else. Everyone has secrets, has had many downfalls, and everyone will make many mistakes throughout the course of their life.

My personal beliefs are based on being exposed to many different religious platforms, and I have adopted beliefs from all of them. I have a belief in God for many other reasons as well, some of which I have posted.

I have also balanced the writings of religious scholars to those of Atheists. I always keep an open mind whenever I read.

Thus, I consider myself to be well-rounded when it comes to religion. I have religious beliefs but I am not fanatical about them. My relationship with God is very personal.

Unless I hear or read someone claim superiority or attempting to force their beliefs on someone else or myself, I'm quite content to resist any urge to kick up any dust over the subject.

conservative, and his ilk are not content to live their own lives. They feel the need to exert a certain amount of control or force, if you will, over the lives of others.

For example...group school prayer is not about any desire for their own children to be allowed opportunity to pray in school. It's all about forcing the children of other parents to participate in public prayer. The calling for Bible studies in public schools is not about exposing their own children to the Bible. They want to force exposure of the Bible onto children of other parents.

Public prayer at football games or at City Council meetings is no different. Religious fanatics are not worried about their own souls. They know that they have a tight grip on God. They feel the need to guide the souls of others to adopt as much of an appreciation for their chosen form of religion as they do.

In my humble opinion, a true Christian does not feel the need to impose their religious beliefs on others. A true Christian inspires others to seek what it is that they find appealing and so positive.

By the same token, I have known many people who have not an ounce of religious faith, who are very content, well-adjusted and moral people in all respects.

There is no conclusive proof that anyone can cite that proves there is a God or that he doesn't exist. It all boils down to opinion, belief, or faith.

One thing for sure is that one day, when we depart this life, we will all know the fact of the matter.

February 6, 2013 at 11:32 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "Al you’re such a pussy … Your skin is so thin a person could actually see that you have no guts."

My skin is an inch thick. You, of all people, can't begin to rattle my cage, no matter how hard you try.

"As I was reading the above it rang so true to how I view you."

While I have little doubt that you consider your opinions of others relevant and valid, I don't see anyone swooning at your feet, hanging on your every word, waiting to see what it is that you post next.

You are the queen of trolls in this forum...nothing more and nothing less. It seems very fitting that you rush to comment whenever a colleague has been addressed as such.

"Although the specific details don’t apply the overall sense of how you come across in you posts is spot on…."

I'm so pleased that you got that off your chest. Pardon me while I digest your poisonous words with a grain of salt.

February 6, 2013 at 11:46 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Well said Alprova. I do believe it is a matter of someone's faith and personal beliefs. Faith is not what disturbs me. It's those who use their fanatical faith as a hammer to beat everyone else down, bow to their demands, and insist that their faith be taught as history, science, and the only way.

Hey tu-dee-doo. Someone hinted that you were/are a woman. I'd like to have medical researchers do a chromosome check on you. Were you formerly an East German "female" weightlifter? I think I remember you from Wide World of Sports. Wasn't your nickname Hans back then?

February 7, 2013 at 10 p.m.
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