published Tuesday, February 12th, 2013

'U.S. work visas should come with tighter rules' and more letters to the editors

U.S. work visas should come with tighter rules

I am fed up with our president calling Social Security and Medicare an "entitlement program." When I was working I paid into Medicare and FICA, my employer matched what I paid into Social Security. Let's talk real entitlement programs. The president, senators and congressmen -- and all of their staff. This is true entitlement. The taxpayer supports them. Their entitlements include the best medical insurance and retirement program. When the president, senators and congressmen serve only one term they retire with full pay and health care coverage. They should be on Social Security and Medicare. Quit giving illegal aliens a free ride. My granddaughter is a volunteer missionary in Krakow, Poland. Before she could get a visa, she had to show that she could support herself. Poland will not allow anyone seeking a visa take a job away from their people. My granddaughter had to raise $14,000 per year and place it in a Polish bank to prove she could support her self. Congress needs to make radical changes in letting people into America. A work visa should not be granted. They should have to show they can support themselves and not take jobs away from Americans.

OLIVER FRANCE


Street name changes are counterproductive

We received a letter today from the Hamilton County Geographic Information Systems informing us that the name of our street will be changed: "to ensure that each property in Hamilton County has a logical and accurate address that is necessary for the preservation of public health, safety and welfare."

Our address has served us well for decades, so why must this potentially costly and inconvenient change be made? Ambulances have made quick calls to our home on the several occasions we have called 911 and friends from out-of-state arrive at our doorstep using their GPSs.

Modern technology renders this change actually counterproductive. So where is this coming from? And why is county money being squandered when our schools are struggling?

JACQUELYN CASEY MEBANE


Solution to society's ills easier than we make it

There is an old saying, "You can't see the trees for the forest." I wonder sometimes if the answers to our problems are not before us and we fail to use common sense to realize it?

Why not bring in the National Guard to patrol the neighborhoods where drugs are manufactured, distributed and sold. We could have a power of presence. As for the gang problem in jails and prisons, here is a suggestion: Transfer troublemakers, bullies and gang bosses to other facilities on a yearly basis. Avoid the seniority complex by being incarcerated in one place too long. Another problem that could be solved -- illegals! I propose the government to offer amnesty to all ... no fines, penalties or repercussions. Just one demand: Get legal and pay more taxes.

Allow the sheriff, local police and other law enforcement personnel do their jobs without retaliation for doing their/our job! It is sickening when board members are so protective of criminal rights and take the side of criminals over highly trained law enforcement. Criminals must be punished. These men and women are just doing their jobs. Get out of the way and give them your total support!

REV. RONALD B. CASE, South Pittsburg, Tenn.


Global warming needs more local coverage

There has been so much talk in the news about the global warming lately. As a reader of the Chattanooga Times Free Press, I would like to suggest more articles about the global warming topic and what can regular citizens do to help with the global warming.

JELENA NOVAK

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anniebelle said...

Oliver France, I see you're another brainwashed, hapless Faux News watcher. It is the Republican Party that has bastardized the term "entitlement". If you could borrow a dictionary, you will find entitlement means something you have earned and are "entitled" to. When you pay into a program your entire working life, which most honest Americans do, you are "ENTITLED" to that money that you put there for your later years. So don't be fooled by Frank Luntz' made up words to "scare" these poor ignorant Americans who don't realize it's the top 1% that is trying to take their "entitlement" from them so they can buy another yacht or another car elevator. Please listen to some real news before this country goes over the cliff following these cheating, lying, thieving repukes.

February 12, 2013 at 4:40 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Oh No! Horrors! The tree huggers proclaim Jesus Christ can no longer control His universe with it's planetary systems. The balance of energy and solar radiation are too complex to control by our Creator, they say. Radiation, Conduction, and Advection/convection don't work anymore! Can someone please TAX hardworking American Citizens so we can help Jesus Christ? (and give U.S. government official's corporate friends a pay raise).

What about: The radiation balance of the earth (the dirrerence between energy absorbed and emitted into an open system universe) equals.......zero! AMAZING. KWO

February 12, 2013 at 8:51 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"The tree huggers proclaim Jesus Christ can no longer control His universe with it's planetary systems."

Jesus could never control the Universe in the first place.

"The balance of energy and solar radiation are too complex to control by our Creator,"

Prove there is a "Creator".

"Radiation, Conduction, and Advection/convection don't work anymore!"

Strawman argument.

"The radiation balance of the earth (the dirrerence between energy absorbed and emitted into an open system universe) equals.......zero!"

That statement is 100% false. Your scientific illiteracy is disconcerting. No one person can know so little about science and espouse as much bunk science as you.

"AMAZING."

Your lies are AMAZINGly ignorant.

February 12, 2013 at 9 a.m.
goatman said...

easy, are you the grumpy old govt. troll who lives under the bridge?

February 12, 2013 at 9:09 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Beware and use caution goatman, you may get your bum tickled and your wallet tithed dry if you cozy up too close to Mr. Orr...

February 12, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
nowfedup said...

Well now, it seems that around 3 million hi tech jobs are not being filled in USA. So the companies have choice, move off shore to go into poultry processing what pays 10.50/hr or auto assembly that pays 14/hour.

OR, and is a bit radical for south, a big push for real world class education, hi tech degrees rather then top ten football team or some other such useless activity. Time to fess up folks, no great world class eduction, then business either brings in folks to fill jobs, or goes where the nation values real education, that is reality.

February 12, 2013 at 10:38 a.m.
Livn4life said...

Disprove there is a Creator! Oh we all just sludged up from the mud. It takes more faith to believe that than....eh just go on with your purposeless life and see where it all ends. You better enjoy it because it will be ending. Then what? Oh the sadness of having lived a life believing in little more than yourself and human potential. But everyone has a legal right in this country to so not believe. Futilism is a sad sad reference for non-belief.

February 12, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Livn4life,

"Disprove there is a Creator!"

The onus is on you to prove your outrageous claims. Claims made without proof can be dismissed without proof.

"Oh we all just sludged up from the mud."

Strawman argument.

"It takes more faith to believe that than"

It doesn't take more faith to believe that than your creation myth. But no one is arguing that "we all just sludged up from mud". That is your strawman argument. You're scientifically illiterate.

"eh just go on with your purposeless life and see where it all ends."

Humans create their own purpose. People don't need a deity to find purpose in life.

"You better enjoy it because it will be ending."

Likewise. Wishful thinking isn't reality no matter how much you want it to be.

"Then what?"

Nothing.

"Oh the sadness of having lived a life believing in little more than yourself and human potential."

There is no sadness in believing reality, facts.. The sadness comes in believing myth, falsehoods and espousing lies. That is the case for the vast majority of religious people.

"Futilism is a sad sad reference for non-belief."

"Futilism" isn't a word or a philosophy. Your blind faith is illogical and misguided. You keep your myths and gullibility. I'll keep my facts and search for truth. You'll always be a day late and a dollar short.

February 12, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Oh we all just sludged up from the mud. It takes more faith to believe that than.." - L4L

Let me see if I have this right: Believing in evolution, which actually makes perfect sense and falls in line with all the laws and theories of sound science, is wackier, in your opinion, than a cosmic super-daddy zapping human beings into existence out of dirt, like a magician waving a magic wand? Okaaaaaay then.

February 12, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

"Oh we all just sludged up from the mud. It takes more faith to believe that than.." - L4L

My ape-like ancestors and I find this comment offensive. I am a primate and proud of it! (although I do get muddy every so often)

February 12, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
LibDem said...

"...having lived a life believing in little more than yourself and human potential...". I can't think of a greater goal.

Livn4life, I'm sorry you see yourself, your family, friends and neighbors as trash.

February 12, 2013 at 6:20 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Those who cannot even prove what they claim they dreamed want to bash metaphysics!

It goes like this: They say, "I only believe what the scientific method can prove."

Then, then, then, they have a Technicolor dream about finding a million dollars. We ask them to 'prove' they had a Technicolor dream about finding a million dollars. They say, "I can't prove it, but the dream did exist/happen/occur...it really did!"

Then we say, "Oh, then you 'do' believe in metaphysics. You actually experienced something you cannot prove you experienced (finding 1,000,000). It was even like another realm of existence, sorta like a spiritual thing, huh?"

Then you say, "yeah, but, this was my experience which I believe in, *but nobody else can believe in their experiences if they cannot be proven by the scientific method."

Then we say, "Oh, that's something like you believing it's o.k. to say we can't prove there is God, but it's not o.k. for us to say you can't prove there is not God. You believe in science (so-called) that can't prove the subject of your dream, so, now you believe that maybe the dream never really occurred after all. Wow, yall seem to have a lot of rights that Christian's don't have.

Did You Know You Can't Have It Both Ways?<<<

kwo

February 12, 2013 at 8:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Then, then, then, they have a Technicolor dream about finding a million dollars. We ask them to 'prove' they had a Technicolor dream about finding a million dollars. They say, "I can't prove it, but the dream did exist/happen/occur...it really did!""

You can prove that you've had dreams and the basic subject of the dream through neurologic testing. You are ignorant.

"Then we say, "Oh, then you 'do' believe in metaphysics. You actually experienced something you cannot prove you experienced (finding 1,000,000)."

It isn't metaphysics at all. You can't prove it was reality because it was a dream. It didn't happen in reality. It happened in your mind. However, you can prove that you had a dream through different neurologic test and sleep studies. You are ignorant.

"It was even like another realm of existence, sorta like a spiritual thing, huh?"

Are you trying to suggest that dreams are another realm of existence? Are you 6 years old? You're dreaming. You're still in the bed. You don't exist in any other realm. There is nothing "spiritual" about dreaming.

"Then you say, "yeah, but, this was my experience which I believe in, but nobody else can believe in their experiences if they cannot be proven by the scientific method.""

Correct, no one should believe in experiences that can't be proven through the scientific method.

"Then we say, "Oh, that's something like you believing it's o.k. to say we can't prove there is God, but it's not o.k. for us to say you can't prove there is not God."

That's how claims work. If you make a claim, the onus is on YOU to prove it, no one else. It isn't logical for you to make an outrageous claim and then ask ME to prove it. Anything that is assumed on no evidence can be dismissed with no evidence. You're assuming what you're obligated to prove.

"You believe in science (so-called) that can't prove the subject of your dream, so, now you believe that maybe the dream never really occurred after all."

The subject of a dream can be proven through a number of different neurologic tests and interviews. You're very ignorant. You don't need science to know that dreams aren't reality.

"Wow, yall seem to have a lot of rights that Christian's don't have."

No, we have logic that Christians don't have.

"Did You Know You Can't Have It Both Ways?"

Christians are the ones wanting it both ways. They want to make claims with no proof and then, when criticized, they implore others to disprove their claims. That isn't how it works and it never will work that way. All of the man-made gods are falsifiable and have been disproven over and over by philosophers and logicians.

You can't have it both ways. You can't be illogical and expect people to accept your irrational beliefs.

You never learn. You are truly mentally compromised.

February 12, 2013 at 8:52 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123 said,

"The subject of a dream can be proven through a number of different neurologic tests and interviews. You're very ignorant. You don't need science to know that dreams aren't reality."

So, Easy, you are saying there exists tests that can prove someone dreamed about finding $1,000,000?

Please provide me with specific info regarding these tests. kwo

I will be waiting...

February 12, 2013 at 8:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...

It appears that didn't go over how you expected, did it, Orr?

Like I've said many times before, you're scientifically illiterate and patently ignorant.

February 12, 2013 at 9:36 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy, those articles missed the point entirely, just as you did. These are only science fiction type 'what the future could hold' studies. They in no way proved that science is now available that could verify the subject matter of a dream.

I do appreciate the info., though. There is much food for thought in what you present. You are a brilliant young person with a bright future Easy. Please keep up the scholastic work, but also please try to be a little more humane/nicer to fellow humans. kwo

February 13, 2013 at 7:22 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

P.S. Easy~

The Subject/Dreamer 'telling' Scientists what they dreamed 'IS NOT' the same as the Scientists PROVING that is actually what the Subject/Dreamer dreamed. It is METAPHYSICAL and CANNOT be proven. They are not even on the right track...but interesting, none-the-less.

SCIENCE MUST BOW DOWN TO METAPHYSICS; Ken ORR, Albert Einstein<<<

February 13, 2013 at 7:29 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Easy, those articles missed the point entirely, just as you did."

I didn't and neither did the articles. You've just been proven wrong and you're trying to wriggle your way out of it by being patently dishonest.

"These are only science fiction type 'what the future could hold' studies."

The study is not science fiction whatsoever. It's not even futuristic. The study actually happened and the technology worked. Again, your premise was and still is wrong about being able to prove what someone is dreaming.

"They in no way proved that science is now available that could verify the subject matter of a dream."

You are either illiterate or dishonest, which is it? The study proves that this technology exists. You said it was possible to prove what people are dreaming and I provided facts that prove you wrong. But, as usual, you're trying to lie your way out of it. You're being blatantly dishonest (or maybe you're just that ignorant) about the findings and scope of the study. The study is there for everyone to see. The technology is real. You are wrong, yet you won't admit it.

If there was any type of technology out there that could prove your god exists, you would be the first to post the link and proclaim the evidence for your god. Yet, you try to debase this verifiable, fairly conclusive study/experiment with patent dishonesty and lies. You're a fool, Orr. Your misguided, dogmatic psyche will not allow you to think clearly, logically, reasonably or even sensibly. You are truly ignorant in every sense of the word. But, in your case, it's a willful ignorance. You actively choose to be ignorant. You choose to deny science. You choose to be illogical. You choose to be unreasonable, bigoted, dishonest, etc. ad infinitum.

I truly despise people like you. You have every right to worship whichever deity you choose, but you aren't entitled to your own facts or logic. I will be nicer to you when you start being more intelligent, logical, reasonable, and sensible. Until that time, I will meet your ignorance with ridicule and contempt.

February 13, 2013 at 7:39 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"The Subject/Dreamer 'telling' Scientists what they dreamed 'IS NOT' the same as the Scientists PROVING that is actually what the Subject/Dreamer dreamed."

Combining the technology that is stated in the links I provided along with brain scans, and personal interviews, scientists can prove what a person has dreamt. This is what I mean when I call you ignorant. You are presented with the facts and you choose to ignore them.

"It is METAPHYSICAL and CANNOT be proven."

Dreams in and of themselves are not metaphysical, moron. Neither is your god/religion.

"They are not even on the right track...but interesting, none-the-less."

You're delusional and ignorant. Who are you to tell scientists that they aren't on the right track? You're the moron that thinks dreams are metaphysical.

"SCIENCE MUST BOW DOWN TO METAPHYSICS"

Man-made deities are not metaphysical. Religion is the crutch people use to explain metaphysics and metaphysical quandaries. Religion is philosophy on acid. You and your outrageous claims can't hide behind metaphysics.

February 13, 2013 at 7:41 a.m.
conservative said...

"My ape-like ancestors and I find this comment offensive"

As an avowed atheist and a "proud heathen" you and your ilk believe in no existence after death. Now you do?

February 13, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Your ignorance is showing, conservative.

February 13, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
jjmez said...

Oliver France: "Poland will not allow anyone seeking a visa take a job away from their people. My granddaughter had to raise $14,000 per year and place it in a Polish bank to prove she could support her self. Congress needs to make radical changes in letting people into America."

I actually agree with the beginnings of your rant, Mr. France. Apparently Poland's laws and judicial system aren't set up to cripple and castrate its citizens in the job market the way America's laws and judicial system operates. All it takes is one minor arrest on an American citizen's record to reck them in the employment arena. Aliens, illegal or legal, aren't taking jobs away from Americans. As so many Americans now have criminal records that many are no longer considered employable by employers. Those aliens, illegal and other, don't suffer the same life changing effects in their own country if they're arrested. In their country an arrest doesn't carry the same same stifling, crippling effects an arrest in America does. Something a minor as an upaid traffic fine in America can result in a lost of driving privileges. If a person can't drive to their job they can't get to that job to earn a wage to support themselves, their families or pay down or pay down their fines. So the oppressive hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper, swallowing up them, their families and often entire communities. Keeping them in a cycle of proverty. As one young man put it: "I feel as if I'm in a nightmare from which I can't seem to be able to escape!"

Regardless of what we're told about those other bad old oppressive countries America sends planes, tanks, armor and bodies to fight and chance dying to liberate those poor people in other countries, those countries' laws aren't as crippling as America's laws are to their own citizens. So when those individuals cross the border, illegally or legallyf or even if they've broken the law in their own country, they automatically qualify for jobs many Americans would be denied anyway because of a criminal record or an unpaid court fine.

February 13, 2013 at 3:59 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

As an avowed atheist and a "proud heathen" you and your ilk believe in no existence after death. Now you do?

Nope

February 13, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike:

"MY APE-LIKE ANCESTORS AND I find this comment offensive"

As an avowed atheist (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14.1) and a "proud heathen" you and your ilk have stated that you believe in no existence after death. Now you do?

February 13, 2013 at 7:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You're truly a moron.

February 13, 2013 at 8:09 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Hey Easy...please consider this. Alas, it is what I would have hoped you could have extrapolated from my information regarding proving your dream subject. I have know for decades that REM indicates an individual is dreaming. And I also know that anyone can report anything regarding the subject content of their dream. Here's the 'deal breaker'...It matters not what you report to the Scientists (so-called) about the subject content of your dream. They cannot possibly, not then, not now, not later...never can they prove that you dreamt what you reported/testified/claimed that you dreamt. Do you not comprehend that this is beyond the ability of physics to prove? This is METAPHYSICAL. Jesus Christ is beyond the ability of physics to prove.

Sometimes, Easy, you weary me, but you are worth it. Although becoming weary, I exercise my mind through/because of your challenges. I am indebted to you. I must extend this gratitude to lkeithlu, Rickaroo, DAO, and others on this site. I am missing JustOneWoman, HappyWithNewBulbs, and others, also.

Hey Goatman, you mentioned the 'art' of dark-bolding letters within these comments; well, if you like, just try this to explore the result:

Use the regular field that you always use to send out your comments. Your reply to this comment will work.

I. Depress (hold down) the 'Shift key' (for capital letters).

II. While depressing the Shift key click on the number 8 three times, which will produce three asterisks.

III. Type your Avatar name. (or, whatever ) Make sure there are no spaces between the asterisks and any letter, number, word, sentence, etc.

IV. Now put three more asterisks behind your Avatar name.

V. Post the comment which should be dark-bolded.

kwo

February 13, 2013 at 9:10 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Be Ye kind one to another<<<

February 13, 2013 at 9:17 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"It matters not what you report to the Scientists (so-called) about the subject content of your dream."

Yes, it does.

"They cannot possibly, not then, not now, not later...never can they prove that you dreamt what you reported/testified/claimed that you dreamt."

AGAIN, YOU ARE WRONG. I have provided verifiable, conclusive evidence that proves that you are wrong. You are ignorant. You are ignorant factual evidence.

"Do you not comprehend that this is beyond the ability of physics to prove?"

Physics isn't proving this. However, the evidence I provided is demonstrable and provable. Do you not comprehend that you are wrong and markedly so? You are ignorant and overtly dishonest. Proof is not limited to the field of physics.

"This is METAPHYSICAL."

That is not the definition of 'metaphysical'. You are ignorant.

"Jesus Christ is beyond the ability of physics to prove."

If that is the case, then your entire religion just imploded. According to your holy book, Jesus was a real person. You seem to be arguing to the contrary. The existence of human beings can be proven. Did Jesus exist or not? You are blatantly stupid and dishonest by limiting "proof" to the field of physics.

"Sometimes, Easy, you weary me, but you are worth it."

You are truly an abject imbecile.

"Be Ye kind one to another"

I will be kind to you when you start being more intelligent, logical, reasonable, and sensible. Until that time, I will meet your ignorance with ridicule and contempt.

February 13, 2013 at 9:33 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

O.K. Easy, Last Time, we must establish a sequent. Your statements/assertions must be semantically and analytically correct. If not, then we have no useful dialogue.

Your articles which you use as a cite/reference have major Achilles' heals. They require that the subject tells/informs the Scientists (so-called) of the dream's content. This is a 'deal-breaker'!

The Scientists (so-called) must rely on someone to be telling them the truth about the content of their dream.

If you tell the Scientists (so-called) (Science (so-called) changes more often that a new born baby changes diapers), if you tell the Scientists (so-called) a lie that you just dreamt about a turtle. How could they know? In reality, you just dreamt about a birthday cake, but you lied and told them you dreamt about a turtle. Capiche? You have to tell them what you dreamed. They can't prove what you dreamed. It is not detectable. It is akin to the spirit world. You are left being forced to accept that metaphysics trumps science (so-called).

When the presumption is flawed, then all that follows, based on that presumption, is flawed. They cannot prove that you lied and did not dream about a turtle, but, rather dreamt about a birthday cake!

Easy, PLEASE, you must study sequents, logic, theroms, etc.

Jesus Christ CANNOT be proven by physics. Period. This statement is semantically and analytically correct. Jesus means 'Saviour' and Christ means 'Anointed' by the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. None of the sciences (so-called) can prove the fact that Jesus Christ is indeed YHWH. Period.

LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER ; LOOK AND LOOK AGAIN

Ken ORR

February 13, 2013 at 11:54 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen... But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He Is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.<<<

Holy Bible Scripture from the Book of Hebrews

There exists a superior human being who not only has the intellect derived from the five senses, but he also, adding to that limited intellect, has the knowledge of the Holy...Jesus Christ.

Don't be left out...kwo http://www.Bible.IS,

http://www.Bible.IS/ENGKJV/Matt/1

February 14, 2013 at 12:10 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Your articles which you use as a cite/reference have major Achilles' heals. They require that the subject tells/informs the Scientists (so-called) of the dream's content."

No, they do not. The subject must confirm what they were dreaming based on what the scientists were able to gather.

"This is a 'deal-breaker'!"

False.

"The Scientists (so-called) must rely on someone to be telling them the truth about the content of their dream."

Which makes it all the more valid. Scientists can also use test to tell whether someone is telling the truth. Were you even aware of that? You don't even know how scientific experiments work, do you?

"if you tell the Scientists (so-called) a lie that you just dreamt about a turtle. How could they know?"

What does the person have to gain by lying? Scientists can manipulate studies to ensure that there is very little bias. There are devices called lie detectors if you want to go that far.

"In reality, you just dreamt about a birthday cake, but you lied and told them you dreamt about a turtle."

Why? What reason does someone have to lie in that case? You're conjuring up a baseless scenario. You're ignorant.

"They can't prove what you dreamed. It is not detectable."

AGAIN, YOU'RE WRONG. I have provided verifiable, conclusive evidence that proves that the statements you have made are factually incorrect. Scientists can, in fact prove what someone has dreamed. It, in fact, is detectable. You are ignorant to facts that I have presented over and over again.

"It is akin to the spirit world."

No, it is not. Dreams in and of themselves are not metaphysical or spiritual.

"You are left being forced to accept that metaphysics trumps science (so-called)."

No, you are not forced to accept that. Metaphysics will never trump science. Philosophy will never trump science. You attempt to debase basic science, facts, and logic to try to make a case for something that you are utterly ignorant of. Science and religion are non-overlapping magisteria. They do no correlate. Man-made deities are not metaphysical. Religion is the crutch people use to explain metaphysics and metaphysical quandaries. Religion is philosophy on acid. You and your outrageous claims can't hide behind metaphysics.

"When the presumption is flawed, then all that follows, based on that presumption, is flawed."

YOUR presumption is flawed. Your entire worldview is based on misinformation and ignorance. Your religion is your presumption. It has flawed your entire psyche and stunted your intellect.

"They cannot prove that you lied and did not dream about a turtle, but, rather dreamt about a birthday cake!"

AGAIN, YOU ARE WRONG. YOU ARE INCORRECT. YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THE FACTS. AM I MAKING THIS CLEAR ENOUGH? I have provided verifiable, conclusive evidence that proves that statement is factually incorrect.

February 14, 2013 at 12:34 a.m.
Easy123 said...

continued to the fool Ken Orr,

"Easy, PLEASE, you must study sequents, logic, theroms, etc."

Typing words that you think will make you sound intelligent do not actually make you intelligent. Nothing in your ignorance-laden responses would lead me to believe that you are even the slightest bit logical and I doubt you even know what a sequent is. Theorem, etc? You're just talking out of your ass.

"Jesus Christ CANNOT be proven by physics. Period."

Why are you limiting "proof" to the field of physics? What about forensics? History? If your deity cannot be proven then why do you assume it is real? That is the question you will never be able to answer logically or sensibly. You're literally disproving your own deity.

"This statement is semantically and analytically correct."

The statement is fallacious. But I would agree in saying that there is almost no proof of Jesus ever existing no matter what field you seek proof under. You have officially made an argument AGAINST a belief in your own deity. Congratulations.

"None of the sciences (so-called) can prove the fact that Jesus Christ is indeed YHWH. Period."

Then why do you assume it to be true? Name another area in your life where you conjure ideas up or read them in a book and accept them to be true. So true, in fact, that you change your entire life based on these beliefs. Go ahead, I'll wait.

"LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER ; LOOK AND LOOK AGAIN"

You'll never be able to look any closer with your head shoved so far up your ass.

Your misguided, dogmatic psyche will not allow you to think clearly, logically, reasonably or even sensibly. You are truly ignorant in every sense of the word. But, in your case, it's a willful ignorance. You actively choose to be ignorant. You choose to deny science. You choose to be illogical. You choose to be unreasonable, bigoted, dishonest, etc. ad infinitum. The worst part is your attempt to seem intellectual. It truly is laughable to observe your feeble attempts to actually sound learned or knowledgable.

You make yourself look even more ridiculous and ignorant by using quips like this: "sciences (so-called)". You have no clue what science is. Your scientific illiteracy is astounding. The fact that you have the gall to refer to science in that way while you cling to your Bronze-age myths is disgusting. You are truly mentally compromised.

February 14, 2013 at 12:35 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

As an avowed atheist (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14.1) and a "proud heathen" you and your ilk have stated that you believe in no existence after death. Now you do?

nope

curious: why do you care? What I believe or don't believe is none of your affair.

February 14, 2013 at 12:53 a.m.
conservative said...

lkeithlu said...

As an avowed atheist (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14.1) and a "proud heathen" you and your ilk have stated that you believe in no existence after death. Now you do? nope

curious: why do you care? What I believe or don't believe is none of your affair. February 14, 2013 at 12:53 a.m.

========================

So, you can be curious and I can't. You made your contradictory belief public when you wrote :

"MY APE-LIKE ANCESTORS AND I find this comment offensive"

You deny a hereafter for people but believe in one for your ape ancestors. You don't see how absurd your belief is nor do you see the contradiction.

February 14, 2013 at 8:06 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Ikeithlu made absolutely no mention of any "hereafter" for her ape-ancestors. The belief is not absurd and there is no contradiction. Your pedantry is nauseating. Your ignorance is comical.

February 14, 2013 at 8:13 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

My ape like ancestor and I are offended by the notion we came from mud, conservative. And beliefs are not something you can convince someone else to have, unless you use false evidence to back them (like eating the Christmas cookies to make Santa more "real" for small children) If you try to do this, eventually you'll be found out. An older child can understand that Santa represents the "spirit" of the season, and will happily switch to joining the conspiracy, keeping the ruse going for younger sibs. A true "belief" needs no evidence, nor can it be imposed.

I "accept" the findings of modern science, the very old earth, evolution of man and all living creatures, the shift of continents and the fundamental forces and particles that make up everything. Why? Because these explanations are supported by physical evidence. But these are not "beliefs". If I have beliefs, they don't include the supernatural.

If I believe, it is in the power of human connections that make our societies strong, that I have an obligation to the people around me to treat them with respect and dignity, to stand up for what is right and stand up to those that are dishonest or that hurt others. Why? Don't know why. It's a belief.

PS-the ancestor comment was a joke. Not that you would recognize a joke-you have as much sense of humour as a dead fish.

February 14, 2013 at 8:25 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Poor ol' Connie,.. probably still screaming at the moon every night to make sure it brings the sun back in the morning.

Keep it up Connie, don't let us down, who knows what would happen if you didn't make sure the day came to us when it was supposed to.

February 14, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

"MY APE-LIKE ANCESTORS AND I find this comment offensive"

lkeithlu and Easy", this is not to be condescending nor to slam anybody, but, but, but...IF, like I believe CONSERVATIVE is saying, if either of you believe Ikeithlu's statement above, then you both believe in a metaphysical 'afterlife'! The only way Ikeithlu's 'APE-LIKE' ancestors could be believing anything right now is if they are living...as in an AFTERLIFE!

Very Astute Observation Conservative

kwo

February 14, 2013 at 12:27 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

EASY, did you know that a very, very large percentage of every population can thwart/fool any LIE DETCTOR? Indeed, (so called) LIE DETECTORS cannot even be used as evidence in a COURT OF LAW! Surely, Easy, with a young brain such as yours, you can do better than that. Grasping at straws is inexperienced/infantile/laughable/unintelligent. While you are indeed inexperienced, i do not believe the other adjectives about you +(:>)&[@=;

kwo

February 14, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

...This is the absolute message i have for Easy. There is no disdain in my thoughts about the above answers of Easy:

"Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in Him and in you: because the darkness is past, and The True Light now shineth."<<<

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His name's sake.

I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known Him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known Him that IS from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the Word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one."

Holy Scripture given by Jesus Christ from 1 John KJV

kwo

February 14, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

It does not surprise me that you also didn't get the joke, Ken. You are truly a mess. Get help.

February 14, 2013 at 2:33 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

That does make all the difference in the world that it was a joke. Even yet, the joke implies there is a hereafter, does it not?

I did get the joke, it was rich! Really Ikeithlu, I did. kwo

February 14, 2013 at 5:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nope. No hereafter. Sorry. I do not believe in life after death, joke or no joke.

February 14, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Indeed, (so called) LIE DETECTORS cannot even be used as evidence in a COURT OF LAW!"

Wrong again.

The only one grasping at straws here is you. Your ignorance is palpable. Surely, you can do better than this. Your lies and ignorance are painfully apparent.

February 14, 2013 at 7:50 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy, you seem to really like WikiPedia, to which nearyly anyone can contribute, so here's something from WikiPedia:

"In the 1998 Supreme Court case, United States v. Scheffer, the majority stated that "There is simply no consensus that polygraph evidence is reliable" and "Unlike other expert witnesses who testify about factual matters outside the jurors' knowledge, such as the analysis of fingerprints, ballistics, or DNA found at a crime scene, a polygraph expert can supply the jury only with another opinion..."[16] In 2005 the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals stated that “polygraphy did not enjoy general acceptance from the scientific community”.[17] In 2001 William Iacono, Professor of Psychology and Neuroscience concluded that

Although the CQT [Control Question Test] may be useful as an investigative aid and tool to induce confessions, it does not pass muster as a scientifically credible test. CQT theory is based on naive, implausible assumptions indicating (a) that it is biased against innocent individuals and (b) that it can be beaten simply by artificially augmenting responses to control questions. Although it is not possible to adequately assess the error rate of the CQT, both of these conclusions are supported by published research findings in the best social science journals (Honts et al., 1994; Horvath, 1977; Kleinmuntz & Szucko, 1984; Patrick & Iacono, 1991). Although defense attorneys often attempt to have the results of friendly CQTs admitted as evidence in court, there is no evidence supporting their validity and ample reason to doubt it. Members of scientific organizations who have the requisite background to evaluate the CQT are overwhelmingly skeptical of the claims made by polygraph proponents. [18]"

kwo

February 14, 2013 at 10:35 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I should have said that where the most intelligent people in the world reside, Tennessee, the polygraph test is not admissible evidence in court. Those states which go against one part of science that is good (polygraph nonsense) do allow it. But, an informed logically minded attorney can get the evidence knocked down in an instant. Now i'm really getting mixed messages, are we gonna' go with science, or, against science?

kwo

February 14, 2013 at 10:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

What about cognitive polygraphs, ERP, EEG, facial EMG, eye-tracking, voice analysis, fMRI, fNIRS, electroencephalography, or sodium thiopental? You seem to be a moron. I'll wait for your response on each of these methods. This has nothing to do with the initial argument. You pick points that you think you can catch me on but it never works. You're still ignorant no matter how hard to try to look intelligent. You're still wrong.

You can't move the goalposts. You're wrong. I've shown that over and over again. Your feeble attempts are futile. You are ignorant. There is no other way to say it. You ignore facts and argue points that have been shown to be false and inaccurate.

You truly have some type of mental disorder. You meet the criteria for schizotypal personality disorder. Seek help.

February 14, 2013 at 10:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Now i'm really getting mixed messages, are we gonna' go with science, or, against science?"

YOU'RE THE ONE DENYING SCIENCE, YOU HYPOCRITICAL LUNATIC!

You're the person saying: "science (so-called)". There is truly no doubt that you have some type of mental disorder.

I've been "going" with science all along. I only mentioned polygraphs as a way to verify when someone was tell the truth. Scientists wouldn't use that method. I suggested it to appease your ridiculous notion that someone would lie about what they were dreaming. I've also provided 10 other methods that can also be used to evaluate whether someone is being entirely honest. Scientists would use blind experiments to assure the validity of their tests. But I don't know why I continue to explain things to you, you're the moron that thinks dreams are metaphysical, unknowingly made an argument against your own religion, and thinks someone can contract HIV/AIDS from a movie seat. You're mentally compromised.

Under your definition of "proof", nothing can be proven. General thought, language, human existence, etc. would all fall under things that are unprovable under your "proof" criteria.

Your argument is fallacious. And you are ignorant.

February 14, 2013 at 11 p.m.
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