published Wednesday, January 23rd, 2013

Life

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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MasterBlaster said...

Bwhahahahahahaha... SUCK IT CONS, your side lost and lost BIG! Don't go away angry now, just go away!

January 23, 2013 at 1:45 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, the need to begin a conversation about population management is past due. This is a difficult and flamable topic that is easier avoided, but the time has come to face a tough issue.

With hundreds of millions of unemployed around the world, with pressure building on air quality, water availability, and hunger, we need to think about the natural limits of our habitat.

January 23, 2013 at 2:50 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

I agree with Clay for once, or at least with what the buttons say. Life isn't fair--the only perfect man was crucified. But he rose from the dead, and he'd done his job.

Life isn't fair, but Mr Benmett chooses to be alive. He could murder himself and push off to Hell (or Heaven), but he wisely and naturally doesn't. Hitler murdered Jews. Stalin murdered kulaks and Ukrainians. Abortion murders little babies. Choosing death for other people? How convenient.

nucanuck, did you miss the news report that obesity is now a bigger problem than hunger? Or that population growth rates are slowing down? OK population is worth discussing, but these had better be factors in the discussion. Shortages of anything? Let prices rise, telling consumers to conserve and producers to get busy, including producers of alternatives, and we'll adjust. Secure property rights, and people will take care of what they own. the '70s US tried to allocate gasoline and set prices, and there were gas lines. Carter and Reagan decontrolled prices, and gas lines vanished. By some definitions, all shortages are created by governments, for without governments messing with prices prices would rise until supply equaled demand. Jesus is libertarian.

January 23, 2013 at 6:17 a.m.
Easy123 said...

AndrewLohr,

"Life isn't fair--the only perfect man was crucified. But he rose from the dead, and he'd done his job."

Consider yourself lucky that life isn't fair. You wouldn't get to go to heaven without that perceived injustice. Does anyone else find it immoral to worship human sacrifice? Or insane to believe that a person came back to life after he was dead for three days? I'm just riffing here.

"Hitler murdered Jews."

Hitler ordered the murder of Jews, gypsies, black people, Poles, disabled people, and homosexuals as well.

"Stalin murdered kulaks and Ukrainians."

Stalin ordered the murder of Jews, Poles, Ukranians, kulaks, Germans, and Russians as well.

"Abortion murders little babies."

Does miscarriage murder little babies too? 10-25% of clinically recognized pregnancies end in miscarriage. I guess god hates fetuses. What about masturbation? Sperm have the potential to mix with eggs and become children. Think of all that wasted potential!

"Choosing death for other people?"

Happens all the time and it isn't always a bad thing.

"did you miss the news report that obesity is now a bigger problem than hunger?"

Maybe in the United States. That's about it. You read that "report" on the TFP and it was bogus.

"Or that population growth rates are slowing down?"

Very slowly.

"By some definitions, all shortages are created by governments, for without governments messing with prices prices would rise until supply equaled demand."

Where do these definitions come from again? The AndrewLohr book of stuff?

"Jesus is libertarian."

Jesus is a mythical character in a very old book or a Hispanic name. You choose.

January 23, 2013 at 6:34 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Andrew, you have a very US centered view of the world. Obesity is a problem here; hunger, lack of clean water, disease, maternal death, malnutrition continue to be a problem in other parts of the world, exacerbated by shifting climate, lack of medical care, war, and lack of family planning services. Our numbers have grown to be unsustainable, and it is the very poor that suffer, especially children, who die of malnutrition and water-born disease by the millions.

The developed world, ie Europe and parts of Asia, as well as the US and Canada, have slowing or negative birth rates. The Middle East, Africa, Latin America, and much of central and southeast Asia more than make up for it.

BTW. Abortion did NOT with RvW. Abortions have been performed or induced for thousands of years. You could get a safe abortion if you were rich and white anytime. But those without means died in their attempt to end pregnancies that until the 1960's women could not control without cooperation from men. Until recently poor women could not afford effective female birth control, and the trend in this country now seems to be in the opposite direction.

January 23, 2013 at 7:30 a.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_q said... Less is more! Even if more is more, it's a different kind of more which actually means less! Yeah, that's the ticket! We're rope-a-doping! DesJarlais for President 2016!

January 23, 2013 at 7:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

easy....Is this fair or greed. Or, just a smart Pulitzer prize winning job creating business man and environmental advocate with a huge personal carbon emissions foot print?

Former U.S. vice president Al Gore recently netted a huge payday by selling his cable station to Al Jazeera for around 100 million. It now appears he's making another big profit buying Apple's stock on the cheap. According to a filing with the Securities and Exchanges Commission, Gore, a director on Apple's board, exercised an option to purchase nearly 60,000 shares of the tech giant at the bargain basement price of $7.48, costing him a total of about $445,000. Apple's current market price at about $500 a share makes Gore's Apple holdings worth about $29.75 million, giving him a huge windfall. His net worth is estimated at $300 million. Makes on wonder if his political connections enabled him to accumulate that much wealth, surely not.

January 23, 2013 at 7:53 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Maybe he does, but maybe not. Wealth creates wealth. It is amazing what happens to a family when the reach a point of a little surplus income. The tax laws really favor investment, and a small surplus grows quickly if carefully managed.

January 23, 2013 at 7:58 a.m.
Maximus said...

Clay The Doodler With The Unibomber Beard and the Brown Teeth YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG....Life Isn't Fair And Obama Is Here To Take Care Of Everything is a very well focused grouped, Axelrod and Plouf, low IQ, low information, food stamp voter...Democrat theme. Masterblaster tu quo was very, very right Obama is not that popular at least among those that would like to have a job or move their lives forward. Obama has no plan and no mandate except maybe with Eva Longoria. I do believe Mitt Romney won 24 states and Da Gay Welfare Pimp Barry won 26. Yea right...a big, big, win..........Masterblaster just another weak, soft, helpless, low IQ, Gay Marxist.

January 23, 2013 at 8:24 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

AndrewLohr said...

"I agree with Clay for once, or at least with what the buttons say. Life isn't fair--the only perfect man was crucified. But he rose from the dead, and he'd done his job."

Perfectly imaginary Jesus. Depending on a poorly written collection of myths, written by a tribe of nomads about a magical war god (a murderous, genocidal, schizophrenic political entity), codified in 325 CE by a King for political control of an intellectual deprived population, and believing those myths as literal and inerrant facts is the height of ignorance in an age of science.

Fundamentalist fanatics whether Muslim, Jew, or Christian are dangerous when their beliefs cause them to act on those backwards and misanthropic fairy-tales.

Those beliefs have no bearing on the right of persons to choose how best to exercise the ownership of their own bodies.

January 23, 2013 at 8:45 a.m.
Easy123 said...

fairmon,

"Is this fair or greed. Or, just a smart Pulitzer prize winning job creating business man and environmental advocate with a huge personal carbon emissions foot print?"

It's fair in a free market. I'm sure there is plenty of greed behind it as well.

"Makes on wonder if his political connections enabled him to accumulate that much wealth, surely not."

I wonder the same thing about G. W. Bush.

January 23, 2013 at 8:46 a.m.
Maximus said...

Easy123...if you are a man, your position supporting abortion is very gay. Again, if you are a man, I bet you are the kind of "sensitive" guy that would hold your girlfriends hand while sitting in the Obama funded Planned Parenthood waiting room while next in line to have your baby stabbed with a sharp instrument. I would bet also that your girlfriend would be paying the $250 for the murder. "Baby, it's gonna be alright. It's just not a good time to have a baby. There, there, stop crying"......Sad or should I say sadistic. The only thing more sad than a gay marriage is an abortion. Obama supports both "feel good" procedures. Cheers and I gotz ta goes make some Ben Franklins yo!

January 23, 2013 at 8:59 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximusty.

If you're a man, you're the excrement of a nutless baboon. If you're a man, I bet you have all kinds of kinky sex with barnyard animals of all species. I bet you kiss those same animals with an open mouth too. I would also bet you pay the farmer upwards of $500 to engage in your sexual menagerie.

"Bessie, it's gonna be alright. It's just not a good time to take a dump. There, there, stop mooing"

Weird or, should I say, really weird. The only thing more sad than a very ignorant person is an extremely ignorant person.

Gay marriage isn't a procedure. And abortion isn't "feel good". Double whammy. You better make some Benjamins. I'm sure the farmer is expecting you to pay off your tab at the ranch, yo.

January 23, 2013 at 9:06 a.m.
bluesky said...

A correction for to_quoque. A survey done in Nov 2012 showed that most americans are pro choice 58% to 38% pro life. Replublitards have a way of transposing fact to fit there belief, another way to put they lie because they're too immature to handle the truth.

January 23, 2013 at 9:31 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

nucanuck said... "Whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, the need to begin a conversation about population management is past due. This is a difficult and flamable topic that is easier avoided, but the time has come to face a tough issue."

Thank you for that gem. A good start would be just to talk about it and face up to the danger population growth has created.

January 23, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP or nucanuck (or anyone that has an opinion on the subject),

What do you think about 'Right to die' laws e.g. Death with Dignity Act in Oregon?

January 23, 2013 at 10:19 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

When one chooses to end one's life that is their right to do so. While there are many considerations involved, the ultimate right of cessation belongs to the individual.

Now let's hear from the religious fanatics who throw an imaginary god into a personal decision.

January 23, 2013 at 10:45 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Easy, I would rather talk about the population control aspect. I have a belief that some people support abortion because of the population control aspect. When nucanuck brought up population control in the context of abortion, which always seems to happen, it got me wondering how pervasive those feelings might be.

If you are very concerned about population growth, wouldn't a good starting point be to exterminate the babies with parents that don't want them anyway? If parents don't want their child to be born is there a good chance that they will be poor parents if the child is born? If they are poor parents, are chances high that their offspring will become a burden to society in some way? Does this kind of thinking hide behind the mantel of women's rights with a significant part of the pro-choice crowd?

I am not trying to say in any way that it is right to kill a fetus because of the parents attitude and situation at the time. Just sayin', trying to understand where people are coming from...

January 23, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

How much does an abortion cost? Is it cost prohibitive for the "poor" in this country such that a poor unwed mother might make the decision to have a baby she does not want? Might the notion that the baby could lead to her getting a bigger check from the government further influence her to bear her unwanted spawn?

Might a "social planner" think that the government has an obligation to pay for abortions in these situations in the name of population control and entitlement budgets?

January 23, 2013 at 12:29 p.m.
fairmon said...

Easy123 said... fairmon said....,

"Is this fair or greed. Or, just a smart Pulitzer prize winning job creating business man and environmental advocate with a huge personal carbon emissions foot print?"

easy said.....It's fair in a free market. I'm sure there is plenty of greed behind it as well.

easy...success does not always equal greed. There are no longer any free markets in the U.S. with healthy competition to benefit the consumer. In Gore's case there was no attempt to do anything misleading or subversive, he did invest and enable Apple to become a great company. He made some good investments and prospered...I don't know how he obtained the money to invest but probably legitimately. Give him credit for bringing $100 million in oil money back to the U.S. by selling his network to Al Jazeera in the oil rich middle east.

"Makes one wonder if his political connections enabled him to accumulate that much wealth, surely not."

easy said....I wonder the same thing about G. W. Bush.

What wealth has Bush realized since leaving office? He wrote a book and generated some income. His father was in the oil business when oil was big in Texas and he has benefited from that. Bush is probably a good moral man he just wasn't a good president. I don't think Bush or the one we have now has the sense god gave a goose about the economy and how to enable more good paying manufacturing jobs. Bush was a terrible speaker, Obama is a great speaker but the roar of the cannon is not what makes a hole in the target.

January 23, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Excellent article on what women do when denied medical abortions.

http://jezebel.com/roe-v-world/

January 23, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Easy... your post of January 23, 2013 at 9:06 a.m. was by far the most inmature, nasty, redneck, disgusting post I have ever read. Now that I have said something against you I am sure your inmaturity will kick in again and you will attack me, but I don't care. You are totally inappropriate.

January 23, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

You "pro-lifers" really crack me up. The vast majority of women who choose abortions come from that segment of society that you so passionately despise: the "takers." They are either poor, unemployed, uneducated, or simply too young and ill equipped to be a mother - or, more often than not, all of the above. At least they have the good sense to know that trying to bring a baby up in such squalid circumstances is not really a good idea.

Those "precious little cherubs" that you pro-lifers profess to care so much about would be born into poverty and probably neglect and would have very little opportunity of rising out of it. Not only that, you do everything in your power to see that those single, unwed, uneducated women who do have babies do not get any assistance whatsoever. Rather, you try to enact laws that make life even harder for them. You claim it's not government's role to look out for the welfare of its citizens but you think it IS government's role to force every woman to have a baby against her will. You don't want less government, you just want a government that serves you and your interests and beliefs. Hypocrites, every one of you.

So let's dispense with the pro-life moniker, shall we? Instead, let's call you what you are: pro-zygote/embryo/fetus. And then once that little cherub pops out of the womb you can jump on that other slogan that you seem to like so much: "Well, gee, life isn't fair, you know."

January 23, 2013 at 12:45 p.m.
fairmon said...

Easy123 said... BRP or nucanuck (or anyone that has an opinion on the subject),

What do you think about 'Right to die' laws e.g. Death with Dignity Act in Oregon?

Dr, Jack Kevorkian had the right answer and the right process for assisting people with a sound mind that preferred to die with dignity. Of course he was jailed and treated poorly by those that like to decide for all of us what is right and moral. It depends on the issue, you can find them in either party.

Abortion is a woman's choice and the courts have ruled on that so to debate it is a waste of time. I do think if an abortion is paid for with tax money sterilization should be part of the procedure, including the male if known. Failure to accept personal responsibility should have undesirable consequences.

January 23, 2013 at 12:50 p.m.
limric said...

Rickaroo,

Here here! RIGHT ON!

And if I might add. All those proclaiming “Abortion murders little babies” would – without exception – RUN to a clinic if their lily white daughters got into ‘trouble’ during a spring break ‘Girls Gone Wild’ night of drinking and revelry, or their wives were raped by a member of MS-13 or low hanging pants bruthas from the hood.

They will however insist on sneaking their little darlings in the back door and hiding in a room away from other patients; not wanting to sit in the waiting room with the “poor, unemployed, uneducated, simply too young or ill equipped to be a mother” - women they were so quick to call ‘sluts’ and ‘trash’ the day before.

An appropriate payback would be doctors refusing to provide abortions to vociferous/rabid anti-choice women.

Oh the irony………

January 23, 2013 at 1:35 p.m.
Maximus said...

Easy....I just got back from a meeting with my contracting company. We are going to be bidding on some of the hurricane clean up work contracts in New Jersey in order to get in on the gold mine of tax payer (borrowed from the chinks) money, over $60 billion, to Chris Chrispy Cream. Yes...$$$$$! But come on Easy, you should know, gay marriage could be considered a procedure. After the gay ceremony your "life partner" proceeds to ream your ass. And I am not talking about the pet donkey you sleep with. JayZ say dats naaaaaaaaaaaasty just likes Beyonces booty.

January 23, 2013 at 2:02 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Good point, limric. Desjarlais is a perfect example of how the "pro-lifers" act in reality, when their back is to the wall and an unplanned pregnancy happens to them. No telling how many like him there are, who "sneak their little darlings (either lovers or daughters) in the back door." I guess that when they get abortions, it's not murder but just a necessary surgical procedure. Anyway, if they are Christian, they will be forgiven and they can still go to heaven. All is right in their tidy, perfect little world that they think revolves around them and them alone.

January 23, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

I flagged you Maximus. You are out of control. Hopefully others will follow suite.

January 23, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
limric said...

Per your request rodent. Maximus flagged

January 23, 2013 at 2:14 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

How about showing some personal responsbility and not get pregnant/get someone pregnant? Is that too much to ask in this day and age?

January 23, 2013 at 2:37 p.m.
jesse said...

Maximus was prob. responding to Easy's 9:06 post which i can understand him doing!

January 23, 2013 at 2:50 p.m.
chatt_man said...

limric - the authority on lily white daughters, girls gone wild, drinking and revelry, sneaking, MS-13, low hanging pants bruthas, hiding in rooms, back doors, the poor, the uneducated, sluts, and trash.

Wow, limpric, you're full of experiences...

See, Easy... you can't learn all from google, you have to go thru life experiences. Like limpric.

January 23, 2013 at 2:53 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

LaughingBoy said...

"How about showing some personal responsbility and not get pregnant/get someone pregnant? Is that too much to ask in this day and age?"

Or, if you do get pregnant, how about easily available safe medical abortions, performed in any medical clinic that wishes to provide those services?

Chattanooga should have abortion services available in every medical clinic where the providers wish to offer those services. It's a shame that there are no "legal" abortion clinics in Chattanooga.

Is that too much to ask in this day and age?

January 23, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

LaughingBoy...When it comes to sex, few people exhibit calm, cool reason, even as adults. And most teenagers are going to act in accordance with their raging hormones, regardless. One of the best ways we could decrease the number of abortions would be to make contraception easily accessible to everyone. Obama has tried to do that but the pro-zygote/embryo/fetus crowd accuse him of being a tyrant and over-stepping the bounds of government. They say it's not government's job to intervene in people's lives to that extent. They just want government to step in, after it's too late, and tell a woman that she has to give birth to a baby whether she wants to or not.

January 23, 2013 at 2:57 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Laughing Boy - since they have succeeded in billing the rest of us for other's actions, there is no need for personal responsbility on their part.

January 23, 2013 at 2:58 p.m.
limric said...

chatt_man posits,

Wow, limpric, you're full of experiences...

Yes - I am.

January 23, 2013 at 3:03 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Having an abortion is personal responsibility.

How many abortions have you have chatt_man? If you're a man, the answer is zero. What gives you the right to stop a woman from having an abortion as she's taking the personal responsibility to do so, not you?

Maybe a woman has the right to tell you not to have that cancer taken out of your spleen since it's "life", and you are pro-life, correct? If God wants you to have cancer, why would you go against God's wishes? Cancer is alive, God wants you to have it, how dare you cut it out!

That's why the "God wills it" answer is such a farce on the abortion question and everything else.

January 23, 2013 at 3:06 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

"How about showing some personal responsbility and not get pregnant/get someone pregnant? Is that too much to ask in this day and age?"

In a perfect world where girls are raised with good female role models, where saying no meant no, where a girl's self esteem is not dependent on what boys think of her, where married men never stray, where men never take advantage of women who have had too much to drink, where all men find condom use to be the height of masculinity, sure.

Oh, and that issue of women being beaten or killed by the men who are supposed to love them. When you live in fear, you don't always behave responsibly. When we have a world where women are not subject to the whims of men or enslaved by men, or intimidated by men, and rape never happens (including "marital" rape) we can talk about women avoiding the unwanted pregnancy.

January 23, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... "And if I might add. All those proclaiming “Abortion murders little babies” would – without exception – RUN to a clinic if their lily white daughters got into ‘trouble’ during a spring break ‘Girls Gone Wild’ night of drinking and revelry, or their wives were raped by a member of MS-13 or low hanging pants bruthas from the hood. They will however insist on sneaking their little darlings in the back door and hiding in a room away from other patients; not wanting to sit in the waiting room with the “poor, unemployed, uneducated, simply too young or ill equipped to be a mother” - women they were so quick to call ‘sluts’ and ‘trash’ the day before."

A very well written and entertaining yarn, but you know it is not accurate to lump all of the "pro-life" people into the group you describe, it may even be a minority of that group. I do not know. Some people actually believe in the sanctity of human life. I am not a religious person, but I respect that position and for the most part agree with it.

I think if you do not respect the sanctity of human life, there is not much you can stand for. I don't know how anyone can credibly stand up for any kind of right or freedom if they cannot respect human life. If we are just animals that can be slaughtered for convenience then everything is fair game.

I would not presume to try to impose my beliefs on people I do not know. In return I would appreciate it if you would not advocate that the the government fund abortions with tax dollars collected from ME. When government pays for an abortion they are in many citizens minds committing murder. This is not a "fringe" opinion and you pro-choice people who advocate for government funded feticide should show a little respect to this very tenable position.

So, I ask again, how much does an abortion cost? I figured that someone in this crowd would have knocked off one of their progeny recently. Are you people going to force me to go to google?

January 23, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
chatt_man said...

dayton - your references to God are a further stretch than my having an abortion.

It's funny how you seem to want to discuss God more than anyone else on here? Why the mentioning of God so much from you lately? Something eating at you?

January 23, 2013 at 3:31 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

It's the "God and Jesus" fanatics that are the backbone of the anti-choice crowd.

So about that cancer that's eating you, it's alive. Should a woman tell you not to have it removed or is it your body and you have the right of ownership over you body?

In essence, that what abortion-rights comes down to. Not God, Jesus, or the Holy Spook, but whether someone owns their body.

As to the cost of an abortion, it depends.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_a_medical_abortion_cost

Much cheaper than welfare and the social costs of raising an unwanted child.

January 23, 2013 at 3:56 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Sorry, dayton, I'm not one that thinks I can tell someone else what to do with their body. You'll have to argue that with someone else.

January 23, 2013 at 4:07 p.m.
limric said...

No BRP, it’s not a yarn. And I will lump sanctimonious hypocrites espousing their phony virtue whenever I see it. My post was neither a dispute nor an attack on anyone’s respect for the sanctity of human life. It was an exposure of the hypocrisy of the rabid right to life’s diatribe of that abortion is murder – until it isn’t.

I stand by my statement that those proclaiming “Abortion murders little babies” would – without exception – RUN to a clinic if an accidental or forcible pregnancy occurred.

This debate is just another shiny object distracting us the shell game being played.

January 23, 2013 at 4:17 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"I think if you do not respect the sanctity of human life, there is not much you can stand for. I don't know how anyone can credibly stand up for any kind of right or freedom if they cannot respect human life. --BigRidgePatriot"

On the flip side: If we do not have domain over our bodies, what do we possess that we can claim inalienable rights over? Surely a government far reaching enough to tell a woman what medical procedures she may or may not seek is also far reaching enough to tell that same woman she may not own a gun or private property.

The quest for political purity is like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall.

January 23, 2013 at 4:20 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

GratefulDawg,

I do not claim any domain over your body. All I am saying is that you should not be advocating for taking tax dollars from people who believe that abortion is wrong and using it to fund feticide.

If you want to go have an abortion in a clean, legal setting, knock yourself out. Just don't ask me to be a party to it.

January 23, 2013 at 4:49 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

This is a tough subject for me. My Libertarian mind does not want to limit you but it also does not want to see you kill. I guess that leaves me trying to talk people out of abortion but stops me from supporting legislation to make abortion illegal.

January 23, 2013 at 4:53 p.m.
Maximus said...

Easy 123...Au Contrare...Abortion is a "Feel Good" campaign platform for most every Democrat. THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE, I'M PRO CHOICE AND I FEEL GREAT! Easy, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like an unviable tissue mass, ABORTION is a feel good procedure for a lot of low IQ women that have bought into the "herd them into a voting block, message them to death and educate them starting in public elementary school that YOUR RIGHT TO AN ABORTION IS GREAT AND THE DEMOCRATS LOVE IT! Also, get ready for it, as will be preached to your children early on in public elementary school...."Bobby, you have every right to choose your sexual identity, let's discuss that shall we." In case ya'll did not know, thats just a part of what Barry Da Pimp is including in his Feel Good Rights For Our Gay Brothers and Sisters. Indoctrinating YOUR CHILD into an "alternative lifestyle", after all, it is their right to choose if they decide they want to be a transsexual in the THIRD GRADE. As the old song goes..."Feelings...wo..wo..wo..feelings....that's what the Democrats are all about feeeeeeeeeeelings and NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

January 23, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Wow, Maxie. So much ignorance and smug self righteousness packed into just a few sentences. I'm impressed

January 23, 2013 at 5:13 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Here is a compromise for you.

No third trimester abortions unless there is no way the fetus can be saved and the life of the mother is at stake.

Anyone can have an abortion through the second trimester even if the mother's life is not at stake as long as the government does not pay for it.

The government can pay for abortions in the first trimester if the mother is willing to give up her uterus along with the child.

That should make the social planners AND the those who love to rut recklessly happy.

January 23, 2013 at 5:45 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

BigRidgePatriot said...

"I do not claim any domain over your body. All I am saying is that you should not be advocating for taking tax dollars from people who believe that abortion is wrong and using it to fund feticide.

If you want to go have an abortion in a clean, legal setting, knock yourself out. Just don't ask me to be a party to it.

This is a tough subject for me. My Libertarian mind does not want to limit you but it also does not want to see you kill. I guess that leaves me trying to talk people out of abortion but stops me from supporting legislation to make abortion illegal."

A reasonable response. I do not believe that abortion is "killing." I understand your moral opposition to pay for abortions.

By the same token, I don't want my tax dollars going to a mercenary military involved in interventionist wars for imperialist politicians, corporate profits, and defense contractors. I'm opposed to the 'collateral damage" of innocents that have made America morally weak and a bigger target for terrorism through its military blunders of conquest.

January 23, 2013 at 5:49 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

daytonsdarwin said... "By the same token, I don't want my tax dollars going to a mercenary military involved in interventionist wars for imperialist politicians, corporate profits, and defense contractors. I'm opposed to the 'collateral damage" of innocents that have made America morally weak and a bigger target for terrorism through its military blunders of conquest."

I am one thousand percent with you on that one. I would like to see us abandon every base outside of our countries boarders and bring our troops home. We can temporarily visit other countries bases for the purposes of training and joint exercises, but we cannot maintain a permanent presence anywhere outside of our borders.

January 23, 2013 at 5:59 p.m.
Easy123 said...

nurseforjustice,

"your post of January 23, 2013 at 9:06 a.m."

Did you read the post I was mockingly responding to?

January 23, 2013 at 6:05 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"Maximus was prob. responding to Easy's 9:06 post which i can understand him doing!"

And I was responding to Maximus' post at 8:59 A.M.

January 23, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Dear tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to find America’s dream, wretched refuse of the teeming projects. You - the homeless, trailer-tossed parasites, I close the golden door of choice, as you cannot pay!

Righteous conservatives, the Paris Hiltons, Khardashians and stars of commerce, shall remain unobserved. For the rules, their rules, or behavior is not a burden on thee, therefore sanctity does not not apply to them,--to you -- or to me.

Compassionately yours, Big Ridge Patriot

January 23, 2013 at 6:18 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"I do not claim any domain over your body. All I am saying is that you should not be advocating for taking tax dollars from people who believe that abortion is wrong and using it to fund feticide. --BigRidgePatriot"

How does one advocate for something without even mentioning it? Is there anything else I didn't say that you would like to take exception to?

As for the parts of the abortion issue I did address, my point was that there are many moving parts in the debate. Political hucksters aside, I have talked to pro-lifers that I felt were completely genuine in their concern for the unborn. I can understand where they are coming from and I respect their views. However, the issue of a woman having domain over her body and the freedom to make decisions for herself must be taken into account as well. Like most who declare themselves pro-choice, I would like to see the number of abortions performed drop dramatically.

Furthermore...Oh, forget it! I've wandered into the gray area of life and away from the whole red state/blue state, makers and takers narrative that helps us keep even complicated issues so very simple. GO TEAM!

January 23, 2013 at 6:26 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Although no one would help out, I think I figured out that you can get a safe abortion in Tennessee for $400-$600. If you cannot come up with $500 and are unwilling to pawn your government provided booty to take care of the problem you created I think it would be fair that you be asked to give up the uterus you have already demonstrated you cannot be trusted with.

There should be no presumption that being a parasite is something that you can do with dignity or without sacrifice.

On the other hand, if you want to accept FULL responsibility for your life, you should be able to do that also.

January 23, 2013 at 6:31 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Just goes to show that no Libtard doctor or group has the courage to step forward and provide a service that they would claim, in private, is a basic right that the women of Chattanooga should rightfully have access to…. LMFaO !!

And you think this is funny? Since nice Christians shoot and kill doctors that perform these services? Services that are legal and no one's business? Strange sense of humor...

January 23, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

tu_quoque,

There are already abortions performed in Chattanooga in medical surgeries — they're just not called abortions for legal reasons. They've always been done and will continue to be for those who have insurance and access to medical facilities.

Doctors don't want the hassle of fundamentalist nut-jobs camped-out on their doorsteps and to become targets of "Killers for Christ" ala Eric Rudolph.

January 23, 2013 at 8:41 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

lkeithlu,

I was reading a post from a local mother the other day, it made me think of you, talking about how her children were being taught that the United States is a democracy and Barack Obama was doing his best to eliminate the budget deficit. Apparently the teacher felt threatened when her son insisted that we have a Constitutional Republic and tried to explain what the difference is. Public School teacher is now avoiding her son when he raises is hand.

Yeah, the problem with government schools is all in the circumstances that teachers have to deal with. Government schools are not indoctrination centres... What Ever...

January 23, 2013 at 8:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I knew a teacher that had a hissy when a kid corrected her math error. Sad.

But don't let anecdotes substitute for data. If teaching real science and real history is considered indoctrination by some, that's a pity. Not all public school teachers are bad; most are quite good.

As for the conditions that the teachers must teach under, you might not understand if you are not an educator. I do, because I appreciated the amazing conditions under which I got to teach (30 years) and knew for fact that public school teachers did not have those same advantages. My school was full of excellent teachers because our school made sure we had what we needed to do our job well. Some public school teachers are excellent IN SPITE of the conditions in which they teach.

You want your opinion to really be heard? Spend a couple of years teaching, and then come back and tell teachers how to do it better.

January 23, 2013 at 9:35 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I know there are good teachers in public schools, but there are far too many poor teachers. I suspect that the bad teachers play a role in damaging the culture in a school, but alas, the hapless bureaucrats running the places all to often do not deal with these issues.

Your school was probably full of excellent teachers because it expected excellence from its teachers. It also did not waste an inappropriate amount of money on administration so there was more money left for the classrooms.

When I pulled my son out of public school I did that 3 years of teaching and was able to turn around the mess that government was able to make of my son's education, mostly. I still to this day work to repair the damage that the constant drip, drip, drip of socialist drivel did to his mind.

January 23, 2013 at 10:57 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

What socialist drivel? And how do you know this is the norm?

January 23, 2013 at 11:30 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Easy... I did read Maximus post that spurred your response. He does not make sense alot so it is really hard for me to follow him. Really don't pay that much attention to him. But I have noticed lately that you have gotten much more nasty in your post than when you first started. I used to enjoy reading yours along with a few others, (lkeithlu, alprova, rolando, bigridge, limiric to name a few). But like I said lately you seem to have a bee in your bonnet. Sorry if that offends you as I don't mean to, just telling you like I see it.

Post like the one you and Maximus were doing do not really help anything on here or add to the discussion, IMO.

January 24, 2013 at 4:09 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

and yes I flagged Maximus as well. FYI

January 24, 2013 at 4:09 p.m.
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