published Tuesday, January 29th, 2013

The Guard

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

Short run, find a prison that's well run and hire its warden, like a football school hiring a coach.

Medium run, the Bible isn't big on prisons. Execute murderers. Make thieves repay double what they stole. Read "Victims' Rights," by Gary North, for some details.

Long run--we all, not just criminals, need to repent of and forsake our sins, and get mercy and grace through Jesus Christ, yes Him, the only perfect Man ('actual ideal' for Ayn Rand fans) Who was executed with terrorists and promised Paradise to the one who confessed he deserved execution. To the one who asked for a stay, He said nothing. His resurrection shows we need to heed Him and need not take His competitors, including the only superpower du jour, all that seriously. When His Church teaches all the ethnic groups to obey all His orders, and brings every thought captive to the obedience of the Anointed, prisons and the behavior that fills them won't be much of a problem.

January 29, 2013 at 5:36 a.m.
fairmon said...

What should the purpose and objective of a prison be? What are the guiding principles for prisons? Why does the U.S. have more people in prison than other civlilized countries? Prisons and the prison process may be the most poorly managed but expensive out of sight out of mind government(s) run operations in the world.

January 29, 2013 at 7:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

What should the purpose and objective of a prison be? What are the guiding principles for prisons? Why does the U.S. have more people in prison than other civlilized countries? Prisons and the prison process may be the most poorly managed but expensive out of sight out of mind government(s) run operations in the world.

January 29, 2013 at 7:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

TFP server sucks...did not post twice. Message was unable to connect then double post shows up.

January 29, 2013 at 7:08 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Andrew, wasn't Ayn Rand an atheist?

January 29, 2013 at 7:31 a.m.
joneses said...

Hays has always been a corrupt prison but then again what would one expect from anything located in the realms of the Lookout Mountain Judicial Circuit Court which includes Walker, Chatooga, Dade and Catoosa Counties which are the most politically corrupt counties in Georgia.

January 29, 2013 at 7:34 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Yes, Lohr, give them the Bible, the ravings of a murderous, genocidal tribal deity, who slaughtered innocent men, women, and children for slight perceived injustices and failure to worship a most unholy god.

If you look at the prisoners, more than a few were beaten and abused by good God-fearing men and women who used the Bible as their example of godly punishment for their children.

The Bible is an excellent study guide for how not to bring up children. Warren Jeffs, Jim Jones, and other fiends throughout history have used the Bible as their guide. Didn't that turn out great?

The idea is to educate some prisoners, not to make them self-appointed administrators of Jehovah's divine retribution.

The arm dangling the officer in the cartoon could just as well be your Jehovah dangling humanity. I hope humanity uses a key to unlock the handcuffs of ignorance that bind them to an evil creation named Jehovah.

God is not the answer; tyrants never are.

January 29, 2013 at 8:23 a.m.
Rebus said...

So Dayton, what IS the answer? Focus groups?

January 29, 2013 at 8:37 a.m.
Rebus said...

You may be right, JonRoss. She will have the assistance of Steve Kroft, the DNC apparatchik, and the entire MSM behind her.

Does anyone really believe the dems want immigration reform? Why would they?

January 29, 2013 at 8:48 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Another thing, Lohr. If you think that Jesus was Ayn Rand 'ideal man,' you've completely missed Rand's philosophy. Rand was as much against the Church as she was against the State. Rand saw both the Church and State as dictatorial tyrants. Again, just like when you read the Bible, you pick and choose ideas but never the whole ideology.

The Gary North you cited? He's the son-in-law of R.J. Rushdoony, the Christian Reconstructionist . Rushdoony, now dead, and North seek to replace the American system with a Christian theocracy. For Christian Reconstructionists, the Inquisition didn't go far enough.

http://www.nndb.com/people/892/000058718/

This is not Any Rand's philosophy. But as a crackpot Christian fundamentalist I can see why you think so — the State bad, Jehovah good — torture and death for Jehovah better. That's very Taliban of you.

January 29, 2013 at 8:58 a.m.
Rebus said...

dayton...you're becoming obsessive over this religion thing. good grief, man

January 29, 2013 at 9:09 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I am still waiting for the cartoon showing the Middle East and North Africa ablaze with Obama sucking his thumb and sporting a vacant look on his face.

January 29, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

dayton...you're becoming obsessive over this religion thing. good grief, man

Not obsessed -just putting religion under the same scrutiny as any other idea. Religion, God, the Bible, preachers, priests, the Koran, Scientology, Catholicism, faith-healing, miracles, supernatural deities, all this and more stated as "facts" needs to be substantiated with support and evidence, not accepted on faith.

I see no reason why religious matters get a free pass simply because they're someone's spiritual beliefs. That's what religious fundamentalists want — acceptance and respect without thought or question.

To say "god's will" implies that there is a god, and that some person knows what that god wills and wants. I ask questions the same way you ask questions about government policies and the people who undertake and implement the same.

Religious beliefs are open to the same inquiry. Those that put forth their religious beliefs as facts should be held to the same level of proof and evidence as any other idea. It is incumbent on the believers of these ideas when stated as facts to provide that support, not on me to prove a negative.

Again, what someone believes and professes in private, at home, in church, temple, or forest is their liberty to do so. But when those ideas are presented as historical,facts to be taught in public schools, used in government, and supported by tax-payers money then I object and ask for proof and validation of those theories. Just as I would ask of science and reason to provide evidence and support, I ask the same of religion.

January 29, 2013 at 9:28 a.m.
alprova said...

Prisons are just a symptom of a deeper problem with our system of justice. Courts have become businesses, eager to generate revenue from fees, fines, and court costs.

The movement to privatize prisons is most disturbing, in that there is an incentive to keep them filled with offenders for as long as possible.

When someone who is found not guilty of an accused crime is made to pay court costs as a result of any accusation they are exonerated from, something is horribly wrong.

Violent criminals need to be put to death, but the trend has been to imprison them for shorter and shorter periods of time, then parole them repeatedly and make them pay the state money for another shot at freedom. Most re-offend.

Prisons should be for only the worst and most violent offenders and they should be disposed of in short order`if the evidence against them is irrefutable.

Imprisoning non-violent offenders only compounds and complicates the lives of people who by virtue of their imprisonment become outcasts of society. A felony record for a non-violent offense will often haunt a person for life, often forcing them to become a violent offender out of desperation.

Those found guilty of drug possession often spend more time in prison than someone guilty of murder. That's messed up.

Anyone who kills another human being with an ounce of intent, once, should be put to death...plain and simple.

January 29, 2013 at 9:30 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "Prisons are just a symptom of a deeper problem with our system of justice."

Part of the problem is the system of justice. A bigger problem is the culture of violence, loss of empathy and the war on drugs. You can have the best justice system in the world and it would be swamped.

January 29, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
BluesHarp said...

As long as we keep electing and allowing corrupt criminals to top State Government, Congressional and Senatorial positions, this will continue, as all they want is their cut, regardless of the source. As (former Chattanoogan) Samuel L. Jackson strongly suggested, WTFU.

January 29, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.
jesse said...

Corruption??

What i see is the inmates have taken control and intimidated the staff to the point they no longer have the courage to take back control!

Next up a prison riot when they send in state troopers to regain control!

January 29, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
Rebus said...

little nub noogs: Change your schtick, man. You're a one trick pony.

January 29, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
Rebus said...

Reports say there are no live skeets remaining in Maryland. Apparently the President has been on a skeet shooting rampage. Peta should look into this.

January 29, 2013 at noon
prairie_dog said...

Poverty, drugs and the inherent violence of human nature are the problems.

There will always be people who get into a fight over emotional issues and kill somebody.

There is a portion of humanity which is incapable of guilt and compassion, and they kill without remorse.

Drugs take away the will and ability to succeed in school and in life in general. They result in poverty.

There is no reason for anyone in this country to live in poverty unless they are CRAZY or physically incapable of productive work. The safety net is designed to catch the people who cannot work because of physical disabilities and insanity. Drugs contribute to it, but mental illness is the primary reason for failing to get up and go out and support yourself.

If you want "better," you can have better, by working for something better.

Immigrants have come here for hundreds of years, worked hard, and prospered. People displaced from Vietnam and Cambodia in the 1960s and 1970s have come here and established thriving, self-supporting communities by working hard. Native born children of the 60s and 70s in this country have not done as well as the immigrants for the simple reason that the fruits of hard work and personal merit are not handed out by the government. This is why we have a prison problem.

January 29, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
fairmon said...

ALPROVA...

Good post and analysis at 0930. You nailed it pretty good and I do agree with your closing which said: Anyone who kills another human being with an ounce of intent, once, should be put to death...plain and simple.

Politicians and lawyers like to say we have the greatest legal system in the world, I don't agree but if so that doesn't mean it couldn't be better. There is something wrong when an innocent person is bankrupt defending themselves with no recourse to recover the cost.

January 29, 2013 at 4:45 p.m.
degage said...

Off topic! Would one of you libs explain why your president would spend 1.6 million dollars going to las vegas to make a speach he could have made from the White House? seems there is millions of hungry children in the country that that 1.6 million could have helped. He is still in campaign mode and the election is over. I can't believe you would not think that trip is a bit excessive. But then I don't think like a lib.

January 29, 2013 at 8:14 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"Would one of you libs explain why your president would spend 1.6 million dollars going to las vegas to make a speach he could have made from the White House?"

That's how much it costs to fly to Las Vegas on Air Force 1. President's do these things. They speak at different places, especially places that would benefit directly from the contents of their speech.

"seems there is millions of hungry children in the country that that 1.6 million could have helped."

WTF are you talking about?

"He is still in campaign mode and the election is over."

More like "immigration reform" mode.

"I can't believe you would not think that trip is a bit excessive. But then I don't think like a lib."

It's not. You think like a moron. I guess conservative Presidents never took any trips , correct? LMFAO!

http://www.politicususa.com/gop-calls-for-obama-investigation-but-bush-misused-air-force-one-for-rnc-events.html

Are you drunk?

January 29, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.
dude_abides said...

JonRoss... would you say that Hays is the most dangerous correctional facility in which you've ever done time?

January 29, 2013 at 8:43 p.m.
degage said...

Easy you never disappoint any of us. No matter what Obama does it is alright with you. As for your question " are you drunk?" NO unlike you I don't drink.

January 29, 2013 at 8:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Degage,

Your ignorance and hypocrisy is highly disappointing. I'm rational enough to "be alright" with any President using Air Force 1 as a form of travel. There are a number of things the President has done that I'm not supportive of but I'm objective about those complaints unlike yourself and others here. I don't drink either. LMFAO! You're really doing terrible tonight. Keep going!

January 29, 2013 at 9:01 p.m.
degage said...

Easy, Do you remember the other day when you got really bent out of shape that I said The dems went after Sarah and her girls and you said I shouldn't have mentioned the dems were nasty first. So now it is alright to do what you accused me of. The economy is in the tank and Obama is fliting all over the place instead of trying to save even a little. He really loves Air force one, at least that is what he said Jan 2009.

January 29, 2013 at 9:04 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"Do you remember the other day when you got really bent out of shape that I said The dems went after Sarah and her girls and you said I shouldn't have mentioned the dems were nasty first."

That is a terrible synopsis of the conversation but yes, I remember.

"So now it is alright to do what you accused me of."

I'm not doing what I accused you of. You bitch and moan about people not speaking out against hate speech and then you go and type a bunch of hate speech. That's called hypocrisy. I'm not being hypocritical in this instance.

"The economy is in the tank and Obama is fliting all over the place instead of trying to save even a little."

Wouldn't that money go back into the economy? Paying the pilots, crew, etc. would put money in their pockets to spend. You WingNuts like to call it "trickle-down".

"He really loves Air force one, at least that is what he said Jan 2009."

Most President's do. Bush seemed to like it more so than Obama. I don't recall you speaking out against that.

"To put Obama's use of Air Force One into context, we also asked for travel data for his predecessor, President George W. Bush. Bush took 89 missions and 259 sorties in 2002, his second year as president, according to the airlift group. And in his first two years, Bush took 148 missions with 416 sorties, compared with 126 missions with 324 sorties for Obama over two years."

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/07/the-traveling-president/

See what I mean, hypocrite?

January 29, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

At Hayes, Jon Ross came first and was voted by the prisoners "Most Likely to Drop His Soap on Purpose 20 Times or More" while in the showers.

And Jon Ross was just visiting!

January 29, 2013 at 11:07 p.m.
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