published Thursday, January 31st, 2013

Fracking

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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WHS1970 said...

Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.

January 31, 2013 at 12:09 a.m.
fairmon said...

What is the fracking problem? Who owns the land and mineral rights? Who is accountable in the event of an environmental impact? Why any non owner have a say about what is done?

January 31, 2013 at 12:24 a.m.
nucanuck said...

We humans will do whatever it takes to satisfy our need for energy. We are hopelessly addicted to the point that we are destroying our own habitat and possibly leading to our own extinction. How could that be that we cannot act in our own best interest? Sure some people have addictive personalities, but we are talking here about the big transcendent WE. Why can't we pull back? Would life be so intolerable if we resticted ourselves to simple pleasures in place of the massive destructive consumption that will strip our planet of its ability to sustain us?

Fracking is just the obscenity du jour. The damage caused by fracking, the cancers and deseases of the relatively few, will be tolerated as collateral damage. What we refuse to see is the sickness of our society to allow fracking along with the other contributors to evironmental devastation.

Earlier cultures understood the importance of maintaining a balance with nature. What happened to humanity that that gene seems to have been damaged or destroyed? Individually we don't have a death wish. Why would we collectively?

January 31, 2013 at 12:43 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Abortion is legal, driving is legal, gluttony and drunkenness and fornication are legal, all of which kill Tennesseans, and Mr Bennett worries about fracking? As with driving, go ahead with reasonable precautions.

January 31, 2013 at 12:46 a.m.
nucanuck said...

fairmon, at some point we have to consider common interests ahead of the individual. Fracking may be no worse than burning coal, or stripping our oceans of sea life, or allowing Central Bankers to generate inflation that starves people in far-off lands, but we already know that it is a destructive practice, that apart from providing us with fuel, fracking is harmful.

We are discussing the degree of harm, not the absence of harm. If we think our planet is immune to the vicissitudes of man, then by all means...go have a fracking good time.

January 31, 2013 at 1:03 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Good luck Andrew on your stand against fornication.

January 31, 2013 at 1:05 a.m.
Easy123 said...

"Good luck Andrew on your stand against fornication."

LMFAO! Very funny, nucanuck.

January 31, 2013 at 1:44 a.m.
canarysong said...

Very well said, nucanuck.

January 31, 2013 at 2:05 a.m.
alprova said...

Fornication kills Tennesseans?

Wow...I had no idea.

January 31, 2013 at 2:21 a.m.
degage said...

Nucanuck and canarysong, How do you heat your home and do you drive a car?

January 31, 2013 at 2:26 a.m.
joneses said...

Bennett has proved again how uninformed he is. There are no flammable chemicals used in fracking for natural gas. For that reason this cartoon cannot be taken seriously as it is another of Bennetts lies.

January 31, 2013 at 5:04 a.m.
dougmusn said...

@joneses et al.: Forgetting for the purpose of discussion the large impact of caravans of heavy trucks tearing up the land, huge quantities of water used for the process and the resultant noise and air pollution at the wellheads (some of the most polluted air in the US is found at fracking sites in rural western states), the trouble with fracking is that no one knows what goes down the hole. Toluene and benzene have been used (both flammable and toxic). A truly unscrupulous operator could use the well as an opportunity to get money on the side for the dumping of PCBs, radionuclides, dioxins or whatever down the wells.

One thing I have learned is simple: if you think you can "throw something away" you are wrong. There is no "away" anymore. Everything is interconnected and sooner or later we will reap what we sow.

Finally, we may need more energy but even if we became hermits and went "off the grid" we would always need water. Water than burns or ignites or is suffused with radioactive elements is not good for human health.

January 31, 2013 at 5:33 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

You're incorrect, highly irrational and absolutely uninformed. You should not be taken seriously because you are a known liar.

"Scientific Study Links Flammable Drinking Water to Fracking"

http://www.propublica.org/article/scientific-study-links-flammable-drinking-water-to-fracking

January 31, 2013 at 5:39 a.m.
fairmon said...

Energy consumption has not exceeded population growth. No doubt further consumption per person reductions must be achieved with emphasis on personal conservation initiatives. Regulation without strangulation is essential. However, this is like Dr. Faber said about U.S. debt. Expecting Americans to deal with their debt problems is like expecting a Rottweiler to store a sausage instead of eating it.

Major reductions to near zero imported oil is a path to prosperity. The good paying jobs increases middle class tax paying consumers. It reduces the percent of the middle and lower income budget spent on energy. It is much easier to be against something than to be a part of the hard work in achieving something.

Have you been to Washington D.C. recently? Money is flowing, no evidence of a poor economy. There is certainly no example of energy conservation and public transportation. Why are the capital buildings not utilizing solar, wind and other alternatives as an example for the rest of the country? Why are luxury car dealers making the D.C. area their headquarters with Lamborghinis, Ferrari's etc. on back order? Why are the number of private jets and private jet landings in D.C. growing exponentially? Why is public transportation using clean alternatives as fuel not the prevailing mode of movement?

January 31, 2013 at 6:06 a.m.
EaTn said...

Fracking has given this country a much needed edge in it's gluttony energy usage. As some have previously noted, whether it's impact on the environment is worse than mountain-top mining and burning of coal has yet to be determined. But then long term planning is not what this country is noted for.

January 31, 2013 at 6:41 a.m.
fairmon said...

EaTn said...

But then long term planning is not what this country is noted for.

Very true. Our process is more like REACT...then uh oh ...REACT .....oh crap that wasn't intended...REACT....we need more money to spend so we can.... REACT.

January 31, 2013 at 7:05 a.m.
Reardon said...

I wonder if Bennett would be doodling about the demise of the horse-buggy industry and lambasting the growth and harmful effects of automobile mass production in the early 1900s.

What an idiot.

January 31, 2013 at 7:11 a.m.
alprova said...

Joneses wrote: "Bennett has proved again how uninformed he is. There are no flammable chemicals used in fracking for natural gas. For that reason this cartoon cannot be taken seriously as it is another of Bennetts lies."

They don't? Me thinks you need to go Google a little and learn about all the flammable water sources that have been found all over the country, left in the wake of fracking.

Perhaps you can offer a scientific explanation as to why water that was previously clean and potable, can be lit with a Bic.

January 31, 2013 at 7:20 a.m.
jesse said...

Andrew musta been in the 2 buck chuck this morn!!

I guess ,according to Andrew's guidelines gluttony and drunkenness is all i got to worry about!

BTW: Al you might have given up a little too much info yesterday!

January 31, 2013 at 7:38 a.m.
dude_abides said...

... and the Lord sayeth, "the wise man built his house upon the rock and all was well, until the greedy mother frackers showed up and pumped various sh!t into the ground."

January 31, 2013 at 7:42 a.m.
alprova said...

Reardon wrote: "I wonder if Bennett would be doodling about the demise of the horse-buggy industry and lambasting the growth and harmful effects of automobile mass production in the early 1900s. What an idiot."

Really? An idiot? That's a bit harsh, don't you think?

You obviously don't remember a time, right here in Chattanooga, when you could cut the air with a knife.

Beijing, China is experiencing that very same phenomenon as we are discussing this.

An entire population hopping off of bicycles and mopeds and into leaded gas guzzling autos, isn't working out so well for them either. That country burns high-sulpher coal as well.

I'm simply amazed that there are people totally unconcerned with maintaining a balance when it comes to this planet we live on.

Gasoline, coal used to generate electricity, natural gas piped into homes, etc., are all relatively modern day inventions and any negative and permanent effects on the earth are just now coming to light.

Everyone who inhabits this planet has a duty to preserve it and to treat it with total respect.

I've got my electric car ordered as we speak. I haven't owned a vehicle with a V-8 in it for several years. I replaced my incandescents five years ago.

I haven't used the central heating and air in my home for the last three years. Three window units spaced equally have cut my electricity use in half. My electric bill rarely goes over $100 a month on both my home and my business.

My home uses about $9.00 in water each month. Of course, my business is billed at commercial rates, but I have yet to exceed the minimum rate that would be billed if I used one gallon per month -- about $30.00.

Conserving energy doesn't have to be done to preserve natural resources or with saving the planet in mind.

Do it to preserve the dollars you get to keep in your wallet.

January 31, 2013 at 8:21 a.m.
alprova said...

Jesse wrote: "BTW: Al you might have given up a little too much info yesterday!"

I'm well aware of that. I know what you found, and that's okay. I seriously doubt that there is anyone out there who has it out for me.

If I am wrong about that, well let's just say that I'm well prepared to deal with it.

January 31, 2013 at 8:29 a.m.
mitziyates1 said...

Regardless of one's viewpoint, in Tennessee fracking can occur IN SECRET. No notice, no oversight, no substantial regulations, no scientific studies to VERIFY effects, nothing is required. So ask yourself, if transparency is a problem...WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?

January 31, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.
conservative said...

Hey nucanuck,

I see your name up there, don't forget to tell everyone that you are consuming 2.3 earths!

January 31, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
alprova said...

mitziyates1 wrote: ".WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE?"

Apparently, they have lots to hide...

http://www.businessinsider.com/scary-chemicals-used-in-hydraulic-fracking-2012-3?op=1

January 31, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Hey nucanuck, I see your name up there, don't forget to tell everyone that you are consuming 2.3 earths!"

I wonder what he meant by that...

January 31, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

AndrewLorh, if your fornication is killing people may I suggest you're doing it wrong. It's not good style to beat your partner's head to a bloody pulp with the Bible while engaged in sex.

Suggest you study "The Joy of Sex" rather than Jerry Falwell's "50 Shades of Stoning, Crucifying, and Murdering the Whore of Babylon."

Thanks for giving me hysterical laughter this morning! I shall think of you and chuckle all the day.

Andrew Lohr — "The Fornicatin' Killer."

January 31, 2013 at 9:08 a.m.
Maximus said...

North Dakota, where fracking is in full production is the ONLY place in the U.S. where the economy and job market is booming. Oh yes, I forgot Washington, D.C., the Obama spend, spend, spend like a drugged up teenager economy, is booming there too. JayZ say..."dem fracking smell like money. I be makin it rain up in da strip club in Nooga. YOU BUNCH OF MUTHA FRACKINS....YEEEEEEEEEEE BOYZ!! FRACK YOU BIATCHES, GET DEM RAIL CARS UNLOADED BENNETT. Maybe we can get Al Gore to invest in Tennessee Fracking

January 31, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
alprova said...

There are some things more important than making money.

Some people are destined to find that out the hard way.

Dontcha worry though...there are people lookin' out for your best interests despite one's need for greed.

January 31, 2013 at 9:23 a.m.
nucanuck said...

fairmon,

IMO, we cannot frack our way to prosperity eventhough we may get a boost in the short run. Energy independence in the US could only be achieved by massive demand destruction and while we are consuming less than peak currently, we would need to do much much more.

And you are right, there seems to be plenty of money in Washington DC. They are allowed to print/create money, while if we print money, it is a criminal offense. Prosperity is only an illusion if it is the bi-product of debt or digital money creation.

January 31, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.
nucanuck said...

alprova,

A while back I mentioned that the developed world collectively is consuming at a rate that would require five earths to supply if all seven billion of us consumed equally as much. There is a test out on the internet to measure your eco footprint to see how you stack up compared to the five earths benchmark. One of my granddaughters, knowing that we are working to consume less, took the test for our family and determined that we are still consuming at a level requiring 2.3 earths to supply our needs.

C-man, our resident meathead, thinks that is worthy of repeating at every opportunity.

January 31, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Take it from someone in the middle of frack nation, once they start this, what quality of life you do have is gone. The people in the industry, the by-products, the general mess of the area's infrastructure is unimagineable. Fight it, but you will not win against big oil. And I wouldn't want to be a coal miner underground when they start setting of charges.

January 31, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
jesse said...

Poor ole Andrew, you just gotta know he is totten some SERIOUS baggage!!

He's laced up tighter than a spalding baseball!

January 31, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova....."There are some things more important than money.". A truth, but beware of those who use their lack of accomplishment as an excuse to take others earnings as an entitlement. Alprova and others would have been in the cadre of so called "progressives" who doubted that the automobile would never catch on. Fracking and natural gas provide a clean and clear path to America's energy independence. The day when we no longer have to rely on the savages in the middle east for oil will be a great day for God fearing American's.

January 31, 2013 at 10:20 a.m.
conservative said...

I wonder how many potential sheep think fracking is new?

"How Long Has Hydraulic Fracturing Been Used?"

"The first use of hydraulic fracturing to stimulate oil and natural gas wells in the United States was in the 1940s. The method successfully increased well production rates and the practice quickly spread. It is now used throughout the world in thousands of wells every year."

http://geology.com/articles/hydraulic-fracturing/

January 31, 2013 at 10:29 a.m.
conservative said...

I believe the line is "you go girl."

January 31, 2013 at 10:51 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Don't worry about the water loss. Intentional man made global warming is liberating all that water from the icecaps, so we can use that for fracking. Global warming is really just a global government tool to extract as much as possible from mother earth.

At least it looks like Bennett put a little effort into his artwork this time.

January 31, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.
timbo said...

I didn't have to read any of these liberal idiots comments because as usual Bennett is full of crap.

Liberals should be lauding fracking because is saved their God Obama. Without fracking the economy would be much more in ruins and even Obama's machine and lie factory couldn't have saved him.

Fracking almost single-handedly saved this economy. It has improved our energy situation and kept oil prices down. Accept for a movie full of inaccuracies and liberal envioronmental whackos there is no proof of any significant environmental risk.

The main problem with it is that it doesn't fit the liberal full of crap world view about the environment. What you imbeciles were counting on that if you could put enough taxes and regulations on oil that we would all start riding tricycles or driving cars like Fred Flintstone. Your all so ignorant it is breath-taking.

Man-made global warming is a hoax which every sane, honest scientist knows doesn't make any sense. Oil and coal have to be used as long as they are abundant. Then they will be too valuable for uses other than energy. We then leap frog to other energy sources like hydrogen.

This environmental stuff that you idiots spout is old news. It is kind of funny you think it is "happening." You are way behind.

By the way conservatives, don't waste your time with the facts. This bunch is too dumb to understand.

January 31, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
Rebus said...

Frack on

January 31, 2013 at 12:10 p.m.
timbo said...

I didn't have to read any of these liberal idiots comments because as usual Bennett is full of crap.

Liberals should be lauding fracking because it has saved their God Obama. Without fracking the economy would be much more in ruins than it already is and even Obama's machine and lie factory couldn't have saved him.

Fracking almost single-handedly saved this economy. It has improved our energy situation and kept oil prices down. Accept for a movie full of inaccuracies and liberal envioronmental whackos there is no proof of any significant environmental risk.

The main problem with it is that it doesn't fit the liberal full of crap world view about the environment. What you imbeciles were counting on that if you could put enough taxes and regulations on oil that we would all start riding tricycles or driving cars like Fred Flintstone. Your all so ignorant it is breath-taking.

Man-made global warming is a hoax which every sane, honest scientist knows doesn't make any sense. Oil and coal have to be used as long as they are abundant. Then they will be too valuable for uses other than energy. We then leap frog to other energy sources like hydrogen.

This environmental stuff that you idiots spout is old news. It is kind of funny you think it is "happening." You are way behind.

By the way conservatives, don't waste your time with the facts. This bunch is too dumb to understand. If they want the things that here are espousing then why don't they lead by example. They can get rid or their cars, stop using electricity, don't use cell phones and move into a cave. The problem is, like their leaders (Al Gore, etc.) it is do what I say not what I do. They are a joke.

January 31, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.
Rebus said...

timbo: It was reported that easy123 saw the visage of Obama in a soggy cocoa-puff.

January 31, 2013 at 12:27 p.m.
conservative said...

Hey nucanuck,

Since millions in India are to poor to even own a toilet, how many millions of these carbon users would it take to equal one Al Gore?

Would you do some figuring on that and let me know?

January 31, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
carlB said...

When it comes to "FRACKING" Piock out your own story! http://search.aol.com/aol/search?query=Fracking&s_it=client96_searchbox ============= In my opinion, FRACKING in the bowels of our EARTH opens up the possibility of allowing the mixing of everything in that area by destroying their being separated for millions of years. This could create a "soup" which would effect our water condition. Not to mention what the "void" created would cause. This area from the foot hils of the mountains has many fresh water springs and wells that people have been depending on for their clean water supplies for many years.

January 31, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.
jesse said...

Lay off the weed Carl!

You beez gittin all tangled tounged!!

Rebus! actually he conjured it up out of a frost covered dog drop!

Thought he was havin a REVELATION and swore to NEVER use your REAL name on here again!! But knowin how weak he is i don't think that will hold up UNLESS he screws up enough for someone to fig.out WHO he is THEN he's gonna git POLITE!!IN SPADES!

January 31, 2013 at 1:35 p.m.
timbo said...

Rebus....good one. slEasy321 is a typical liberal. I don't mean that as a compliment. Finally us conservatives are giving these liberal imbeciles the respect they deserve.

January 31, 2013 at 1:49 p.m.
conservative said...

How to save the planet from global warming for Liberals/Socialists/kooks.

Today's tip :

Form some bricks, stones, or logs in a small square outside on the ground or flat surface. Place your bowl of oatmeal in the center and then place a small sheet of clear glass on top. Voila! You now have an eco friendly solar oven. Then just wait for nature to do the rest.

Hint, just like solar panels, it helps to pick a sunny day.

January 31, 2013 at 2:09 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Alprova, I posted this on yesterday's thread but I figure you might not see it... Just wanted you to know.

Alprova, I too am very sorry for your loss. Please don't hesitate in the future to share these things with us. Just don't pay attention to the idiots that would poke fun or say hurtful things. I know I don't. I personally like the personal stories. It kind of makes us more real since we really don't know each other on here.

I remember when this story was on the news. I immediately prayed for that baby and his family. I will continue to do so especially now that I can place him with your family.

And thanks for the kind words above. I do not try to force my beliefs on others but certainly don't mind putting in my 2 cents when appropriate. And Darwin and Easy always seem to bring God up, (or should I say put Him down) so it makes me want to comment to defend the God I love. Not that He needs defending but that is what I do.

January 31, 2013 at 2:26 p.m.
jesse said...

Al, you kinda been takin up for your puppy EASY , and i'll admit Rebus brings all his sh!t on his own self, BUT EASY is out of line 80% of the time ! You denying it and takin up for his ass don't change the fact that EASY and his attitude is,sooner or later, gonna shut this site down!We done got shut off from posting on news ,how long do you think tfp is gonna put up w/what is going on on here?BTW: easy ain't by his lonesome, we got arzholes from BOTH SIDES of the aisle that make us ALL look like IDJITS!!(that was JUST for ROO!also a part time IDJIT!!)

January 31, 2013 at 2:40 p.m.
timbo said...

jesse...This site is the only reason I still keep getting the Fishwrapper, I mean TFP.

If they stop these sites then I won't read a word they print. If they can't stand what I think, I want read what they think.

January 31, 2013 at 3:01 p.m.
jesse said...

NOOGA!

What ?? GO back to gigin tu about her Hatters!(never has a typo caused so much sh!t!) Nooga, you are w/o a doubt the low life scum sucker of the tfp forum! When you wake up in the morn you gotta ask your ole lady "what species am i today!"We got low lifes on here from all sides of the spectrum BUT YOU dude are the lowest!!

BTW: from now on YOU are my PROJECT! I'm gonna be on your ass 24/7 so get used to me bein IN YOUR FACE!!!

January 31, 2013 at 3:21 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Clay is not going to be happy until he can draw a cartoon of himself, sitting in a cardboard box under a sheet of plastic supplied by FEMA, with a National Guard MRE and a bottle of donated water, wrapped in a Red Cross blanket, and the caption, "WE WON!"

NOTICE TO LIBERAL SOCIALISTS EVERYWHERE:

If you don't like what business and government do, and disagree with the way the military services are run, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT to go out, replace their evil ways with your own compassionate organizations, displace selfish politicians with people who will do what helps everyone with no harm to innocent people, and truly make this world a better place to live.

The problem is that you are so self-righteous, and self-serving in your quest for handouts so that you can pursue your "art," that you leave the hard jobs up to people who want to work at them for a profit. Part of human nature wants to excel. Your job is to see the light and make things right and just and fair for everyone instead of waiting around for someone else to deliver it.

If your life is lacking because of the way our world works and the way our nation is run, it's because your like-minded forebears did not exert the effort to make the world a better place.

Get up, go to work, feed yourself and feed a needy neighbor. That's what us wage and salary earning people have been doing all our lives. There are not enough of us left to do it all anymore.

Tag. You're "it."

January 31, 2013 at 3:22 p.m.
timbo said...

nooga...You can't even spell "CHATTAnooga." In any event, I didn't quite understand your post but I assume you meant that I could read the newspaper on the computer. I know that but since I grew up when dinosaurs roamed the earth, I like to look at the paper, no matter how bad it is, in the morning when I drink my coffee. Also, I PAY FOR IT DUMBASS.

I believe that the TFP cares if people cancel their subscriptions. They are in enough financial trouble already. THEY MAKE THAT EVIL MONEY ON FOOLS LIKE ME.

So I hope this was sufficiently dumbed down to liberal level so you can understand.

January 31, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
jesse said...

Nooga ,when you start tryin to fit me in one of your niches is when you start to veer off the tracks!IF you are gonna try to fit me into one of your "categories" you better put on your thinkin cap !Unlike you I THINK ,I don't follow rote or Dogma!The only reason you hang out on here is to throw your ego around! make your self feel big! you don't really have any beliefs ,just rant points!!sh!t you can get LOUD about!

January 31, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Nooga,

Geez, buddy. Take some physics and chemistry classes. The answers are right there.

Why do trucks have to go fast? They don't. They ought to be in the right lane on the Interstate highways, doing 55 mph. 30 mph would be a lot better, because the energy required to push air out of the way over about 30 mph goes up as the SQUARE of the increase in speed. You can gear trucks up to use smaller engines as long as they can overcome gravity to pull up a hill. The reason trucks go so fast is because drivers are paid by the mile. Period. There is a point where the cost of fuel and the cost of the equipment and the cost of labor for the drivers is a "minimum" value, and also a point where the same variables can be traded off to obtain the smallest possible fuel requirement.

Google has been developing vehicles which are driven by computers. No human driver required. When they can do the same task for trucks, you'll see the cost of EVERYTHING go down. A trucker can make about $250 a day driving 13 hours at 70 mph. Take out the driver, slow the machine down to 55 or 60 and go to hybrid power systems, and the costs will plummet while safety goes way up.

Speed is only required for "critical" items and perishable foods. The rest of it is about how many miles you can drive in a 13 hour shift (maximum allowed by DOT).

Cars do not need the power they have. It is a waste. Speed on highways should be limited to 70 mph, maximum, by GPS monitors which automatically fine the drivers for excessive speed. Limit the absolute speed of passenger vehicles to 110% of the posted limit, with the excess limited to 90 seconds at a time, and you'd see fewer fatalities, lower insurance rates, less traffic congestion, and lower fuel prices due to decreased demand.

Gun control is a hot button issue these days, but the way to improve everyone's life and safety would be to limit vehicle speed and get large commercial vehicles out of the mix. Less road rage that way, too.

January 31, 2013 at 4:14 p.m.
jesse said...

WELL P.D. WHEN they do that i hope you like goin HONGRY!!

Cause when they SHUT the TRUCKS down pretty soon they gonna be shutin your ASS down!!

January 31, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Dog.....Interesting comments concerning truck and car relationships, just not reality. Drivers are not permitted to drive 13 hours per day at 70 miles per hour....11 hours out of 14 is the absolute max without a break. When a vehicle (any vehicle) is not allowed to exceed 55 mph (and you suggest 30mph) and has to merge into traffic traveling at 70mph+, what could go wrong? But I digress....There is something to be said about the amount of energy (in this case fuel) in and expecting torque coming out on the other end. Oh well....

January 31, 2013 at 4:42 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Get up, go to work, feed yourself and feed a needy neighbor. That's what us wage and salary earning people have been doing all our lives. There are not enough of us left to do it all anymore." - prairie_dog

What a jackass. The vast majority of liberals ARE wage-and-salary-earning people. The vast majority of liberals go to work, feed themselves, and even feed needy neighbors. However many lazy, slothful inner-city welfare and food-stamp recipients there are who call themselves liberal, there are just as many rural, in-bred, sh#t-for-brains Southern, government hating CONSERVATIVES on welfare, food stamps, have Medicaid, or draw disability insurance who hate the very hand that feeds them. If you want to hate liberals, that's your prerogative, but at least be aware of the fact that there are just as many lazy-assed righties as there are lefties.

January 31, 2013 at 4:53 p.m.
conservative said...

Good job Tu!

January 31, 2013 at 5:08 p.m.
conservative said...

I hope not but it looks like a 1 day toon.

January 31, 2013 at 5:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"In fact, a New York Times investigation reveals that in 1987, the EPA documented contamination of groundwater by the fracking process. In a report to Congress, the agency described how “fracturing fluid migrated into Mr. Parson’s water well” in West Virginia:"

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/us/drilling-down-documents-7.html

"Although this represents just one documented case, that hardly means that fracking contamination is extremely rare. Researchers are “unable to investigate many suspected cases because their details were sealed from the public when energy companies settled lawsuits with landowners,” Times reporter Ian Urbina explains."

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/08/03/287105/fact-check-contamination-of-groundwater-by-fracking-was-documented-in-1987/

And more evidence:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/01/1060585/-KEYSTONE-XL-PIPELINE-MAPS-Prove-How-Fracked-Up-This-Idea-Is

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/27/1174174/-UPDATE-3-EPA-s-FRACKED-UP-REPORT-See-Interactive-Map-to-View-EACH-Fracking-Well-Info

January 31, 2013 at 5:16 p.m.
Lr103 said...

Who owns the land and mineral rights? Who is accountable in the event of an environmental impact?

Environmental damages aren't the only problems. There's also the potential for a explosions, where Methane gases build up.

Here's an excerpt from an April 2011 Natural Gas Watch org. article when a well exploded where hydraulic fracking was taking place:

"Chesapeake Energy, the owners and operators of the fracking well that exploded yesterday in Pennsylvania, have stopped all fracking operations in the company’s Eastern Division until they can figure out why the well exploded. Thousands of gallons of toxic fracking fluid were dispersed into the surrounding area as a result of the explosion, flowing over Pennsylvania farmland into a nearby creek"

Natural Gas Watch org

January 31, 2013 at 5:43 p.m.
jesse said...

I can't explain it to ya Nooga BUT you make mY skin crawl!

out of all the phoneys on here you just take the cake!

every thing you post just hits me like your blowin smoke,just playin a role!nOTHIN REAL COMMIN FROM YOU AT ALL!! jUST SMOKE AND MIRRORS!

January 31, 2013 at 5:50 p.m.
fairmon said...

nucanuck said... fairmon,

IMO, we cannot frack our way to prosperity eventhough we may get a boost in the short run. Energy independence in the US could only be achieved by massive demand destruction and while we are consuming less than peak currently, we would need to do much much more.

I agree totally...I tried to include that point, you said it better.

January 31, 2013 at 6:34 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

...but good engineering, in combination with sensible and effective regulation...

Regulation? A conservative calling for regulation? No, can't be.

January 31, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_ the emphasis queen!

You are so adept at taking other people's work and making it just that little bit better by emphasizing selected passages that I can't help but feel you'd write a better article yourself, if only somebody cared what you thought. I bet you've worn the asterisk off of your keyboard. Do you, like, purchase highlighter pens by the shipping container?

January 31, 2013 at 7:14 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_quoque said... "DudRDunce:

So your saying that it is effective..."

I just made it effective, didn't I?

January 31, 2013 at 7:25 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Queue the trumpets

Flip the switch

Grill the crumpets

tu_ the b!tch

January 31, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
alprova said...

Nurseforjustice, Re: your post at 2:26 pm, thank you very much and you are most welcome.

January 31, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_, would it hurt your feelings if I suggested you stick to pasting other people's work? Seriously, posting that failed attempt again is just lazy. Do you realize that your error is exactly one word away from the word dunce? If you had one, you'd step on it!

January 31, 2013 at 9:03 p.m.
Rebus said...

Noogies is French? Explains a lot.

January 31, 2013 at 9:15 p.m.
Rebus said...

The Community Organizer would have to search high and low to find a dumber s.o.b. than Chuckie Hagel.

January 31, 2013 at 9:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Rebus_Dennis,

You only say that because President Obama picked him. Just like all the Republican's seemed to love him before Obama picked him. It's utter nonsense from you and the "Stupid" Party.

January 31, 2013 at 10:05 p.m.
fairmon said...

Obama's legacy may be the incompetent staff he surrounded himself with. Ir is unfortunate his opposition doesn't have the talent to challenge him. D.C. could stand for damn criminals.

January 31, 2013 at 10:10 p.m.
Rebus said...

Easy123, he was not well liked. Always considered a borderline RINO. Pay attention, dumbass.

February 1, 2013 at 12:12 a.m.
Rebus said...

IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

At what point will you left wing-nuts admit that you've been had? hmmmm?

February 1, 2013 at 12:16 a.m.
canarysong said...

Solar, degage. With enough left over some months to receive a small credit. Occasionally we supplement with our pellet stove, which uses material made from waste from the lumber industry and is so efficient that it may be used even during "burn bans" when pollution is high and normal wood stoves aren't allowed.

Is fracking new in Tennessee? Because in Colorado there have been very serious problems with fracking. So much so that some counties and towns have put a moratorium on issuing new drilling permits until further research can be done. One additional issue that we face out here is the fact that fracking uses a huge amount of water, and that water is permanently removed from the natural water cycle; it can never be re-used. We have been in serious drought conditions for years (right... climate change is just a "liberal hoax", right?), with wildfires and the resulting loss of human life, wildlife, forest, and property dramatically increased over previous decades. Two of my friends have lost their homes; I've had to evacuate, but I was lucky. We simply can't afford to have this water diverted away from farms, homes, and firefighting efforts!

No alternative? Bull! Look to what Germany has accomplished, with far less sunlight or wind than most of the U.S.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-07/germany-added-record-solar-panels-in-2012-even-as-subsidies-cut.html

February 1, 2013 at 12:25 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Rebus_Dennis,

"Easy123, he was not well liked. Always considered a borderline RINO. Pay attention, dumbass."

Wrong again, moron. He was best friends with one of your previous Presidential candidates.

"McCain, the ranking Minority member on Armed Services, and Hagel were once inseparable — two decorated Vietnam veterans who found common-cause in rebelling against their own party orthodoxy. McCain campaigned for Hagel in the latter’s first race back in 1996 – here’s visual evidence — and Hagel was one of four Senators to endorse McCain’s 2000 presidential bid. The duo even had Senate offices close to one another to stay in constant touch."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/31/john-mccain-and-chuck-hagel-were-once-bff-what-happened/

It might help your argument if the facts were on your side, but, as usual, they are not.

February 1, 2013 at 12:34 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Rebus_Dennis,

"IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family"

"The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000."

Learn to read all the words and not just the titles of the articles from your Right-wing propaganda machine. "Average" doesn't mean "minimum".

"At what point will you left wing-nuts admit that you've been had? hmmmm?"

Premiums were increasing before Obamacare.

"The cost to cover the typical family of four under an employer plan is expected to top $20,000 on health care this year, up more than 7% from last year, according to early projections by independent actuarial and health care consulting firm Milliman Inc. In 2002, the cost was just $9,235, the firm said."

"The projected increase marks the fifth year in a row that health care costs will rise between 7% and 8% annually."

http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/29/pf/healthcare-costs/index.htm

February 1, 2013 at 12:41 a.m.
Rebus said...

Keep-up dumb-ass. McCain skewered him today.

February 1, 2013 at 12:42 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Rebus_Dennis,

"McCain skewered him today."

I know. That's why I said: "Just like all the Republican's seemed to love him before Obama picked him.". The two were great friends and he was respected within the party. Then Obama picked him and they turned on the guy.

Keep up, coffin dodger.

February 1, 2013 at 12:47 a.m.
jesse said...

Hagel is sane!

McCain ain't!Nuff said!

February 1, 2013 at 1:54 a.m.
fairmon said...

McCain being against something makes it easy to be for it and vice versa. It is time for him and Harry Reid to go, both are relics. Put Pelosi on the road also, give her one last free plane ride to California and wish her husband the best.

February 1, 2013 at 5:45 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Hey! A terrorist has struck at US interests somewhere in the world. Should we start the impeachment proceedings now, or wait until after lunch? Why is the administration stonewalling? Where was the President, and what does he know about this event? We want ALL the information NOW, and you better not misspeak!

February 1, 2013 at 7:43 a.m.
joneses said...

Liberals hate Christians, Republicans, conservatives, Fox News, opposing opinions, Oil Companies, Oil, Rush Limbaugh, corporations, wealthy people, successful people, high income earners, small businesses, blacks, hispanics, women, individuality, low taxes for everyone, small federal government, guns, freedom, coal, and now they have added natural gas to their hate list.

February 1, 2013 at 8:01 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

The fact the chicken war-hawk neo-cons are against Hagel is more than enough to hope he gets the office. Perhaps McCain, Graham, Inhofe, and the other pro-war military interventionists will self-destruct in protest.

February 1, 2013 at 8:20 a.m.
librul said...

Hey Jonesy: Ease our pain and go drink some fracking fluid.

February 1, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
conservative said...

How to save the planet from global warming for Liberals/Socialists/kooks.

Today's tip :

Cover the part of your yard that is close to your house with aluminum foil. Your grass is dead anyway. The sunlight will reflect onto the walls of your house, thus warming your house.

Wear sunglasses if you go out.

February 1, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.
Rebus said...

nooga: You're right. There's soooo much to admire in the French. You dolt.

fairmon 5:45: sounds about right.

Darwin: Amazed you neolibs are backing a guy with a seat on the board of Chevron...evil oil bwahahaha

February 1, 2013 at 10:43 a.m.
carlB said...

jesse said... Lay off the weed Carl! You beez gittin all tangled tounged!!


Reply: jesse, you must be talking to the wrong person?

jesse said... Hagel is sane! McCain ain't!Nuff said! February 1, 2013 at 1:54 a.m.


Reply: jesse, I can agree with you on this.

February 1, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

The immediate devastation and irreparable damage that strip mining brings to the environment and those in close proximity to it are obvious and indisputable, yet people who are hundreds and thousands of miles away from it and not affected by it personally still defend it, blaming its bad reputation on a "liberal media." I would love to see how they'd feel about strip mining if their home were situated at the foot of one of those 500 mountains that have been strip-mined in West Virginia.

The environmental hazards of fracking are not as egregious as those of strip mining but they are insidious and devastating in their own way. I wonder how many people defending it so passionately now would be doing so if a fracking operation were set up right next door to their home?

February 1, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.
Rebus said...

little nub noogs: One trick pony. Are you sure you're not Easy321?

February 1, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.
ibshame said...

It won't be a surprise should the current Republican legislative majority allow fracking in Tennessee, no big suprise at all. Read the article below concerning what a right wing nut is proposing and one quickly comes to the conclusion that for some in Tennessee ignorance is truly a way of life

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/30/tennessee_dont_say_gay_bill_now_requires_teachers_to_out_their_students/

"If you thought that you’d heard the last of Tennessee’s “Don’t Say Gay” bill after state lawmakers abandoned the legislation last year, think again.....

The measure still prohibits elementary and middle school teachers from discussing sexual activity that is not related to “natural human reproduction” or even acknowledging that homosexuality exists, but new language in the bill would require teachers to tell parents when students are — or might be — gay....

In addition to requiring school officials to out students to their parents, the legislation also appears to endorse so-called conversion therapy (“counseling” in the bill’s nomenclature), in which psychologists and psychiatrists (not to mention would-be Republican presidential nominees) try to change the recipients sexual orientation.

An unsafe home or school environment is the most common reason for leaving home given by homeless LGBT youth, who comprise 40% of all homeless young people in the United States."

February 1, 2013 at 1:58 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Senator Stacy Campfield, Tennessee Republican — a self-described 'good' Catholic, believes in the a Virgin Mary, wine and crackers turns into Jesus' blood and body, believes in the Pope's infallibility, believes that a serpent talked, bushes burned, and walking on water for a sandal-wearing, flowing-robed carpenter who hung around men all day, and that contraception is a sin (no condoms, pills, or sex without pro-creation) and believes in a place called purgatory.

That's the guy who created this masterpiece of legislation. Must make the Republicans proud to have a throw-back to the Dark Ages in Tennessee representing the anti-science, anti-intellectual "Mouth-breathers for Jesus" klan.

February 1, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.
Rebus said...

ole daytondarwin. ever the insulter. another very contributory post. hate much?

February 1, 2013 at 4:06 p.m.
carlB said...

Rickaroo said...The environmental hazards of fracking are not as egregious as those of strip mining but they are insidious and devastating in their own way. I wonder how many people defending it so passionately now would be doing so if a fracking operation were set up right next door to their home?

Reply: FRACKING could have effects on the underground water supplies for many miles.

February 1, 2013 at 4:28 p.m.
Rebus said...

yeah noogs. you're terribly relevant with the old jokes. or should I say old, old jokes? Grow up, rookie.

February 1, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

carlB, you are correct. I'm not meaning to imply that fracking is any less dangerous or devastating, or at least potentially could be; just that its effects are not as readily apparent as with strip mining.

February 1, 2013 at 4:41 p.m.
fairmon said...
February 1, 2013 at 4:53 p.m.
fairmon said...

STOP the train, I had no idea there were so friggin many fracking experts locally. The EPA has regs and opines that if followed fracking should not be a problem...but, hello, what does the EPA know without experts from the TFP educating them.

To the whiners about high energy cost, no job or a low paying job, suck it up and make do. We got our social security and other fare the well (welfare) programs and expect those working and their employers to fund them. Or, we have a decent job and object to having the boat rocked on your behalf. Most of us are well informed by those journalist reporting or writing what we agree with and consider ourselves well informed and more "in the know" than those with different opinions. Some on this forum have the talent of answering the questions before it is asked like the prompt response of frig the frackers, it is a conspiracy.

February 1, 2013 at 5:15 p.m.
dude_abides said...

nooga, you clearly stomped Rebus' a$$ for all to see. Well done.

February 1, 2013 at 6:22 p.m.
dude_abides said...

conservative, read your last post three times over, and if it still seems as if there's any logic to it, get help. If it seems ignorant and illogical, well, there's help for that, too.

February 1, 2013 at 6:32 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Rebus said...

ole daytondarwin. ever the insulter. another very contributory post. hate much?"

Don't hate at all. But the thoughts of your head spinning around, drool spraying on your keyboard, and another pair of Depends for you to buy makes me laugh.

Senator Campfield is for fracking. I'm wondering if he's as smart about fracking as he is "Don't Say Gay" and his other homophobic legislation?

Many Christians believe that the earth is their domain to pillage as they see fit and they quote the Bible as evidence and divine right for their environmental rape (dominion over the earth and everything on and in it. (Genesis 1: 26, 28)

After all, if you believe we're living in 'the last days' why not? James Watts did.

So for some, destroying the earth is God's Will. If someone believes the BIble and Senator Campfield says he does, then is it not right to question him and his moral pronouncements?

February 1, 2013 at 6:45 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Progressives are fracking stupid. I hope someone has not already shared that observation.

February 1, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

There's more harm done to students in sports than in someone being gay or "suspicion" of being gay.

Maybe Senator Campbell can have those same officers that protect the schools to hide in bathrooms to see if anyone does something gay.

Get those young Christian kids to play junior Gestapo agents. It worked for Hitler.

"Call the police and FBI, Johnny is (or might be) gay. After all, he doesn't play football, likes classical music, and enjoys art class. Quick, call his ignorant mouth-breathing, meth-smoking, monster-truck watching, cock-fighting Daddy and tell him Johnny's under suspicion for gayness."

February 1, 2013 at 8:19 p.m.
Rebus said...

DD a hateful, spiteful, punk

February 1, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Rebus said...

"DD a hateful, spiteful, punk"

Such clever repartee !I bet you thought of that while you head was spinning after drinking NyQuil —"The Baptist High!"

Be careful. Your gubmint check doesn't come for another few days and you're down to a couple of Depends. Then again, you've been wearing the same one for a week now so you probably haven't noticed.

Maybe you can get a job as the school "Gaydar."

"Got suspicious kids in School? Call Jack Dennis, the All-American GayDar. He'll sniff 'em out!"

Put the rubber sheets on the bed and call it a night, Uncle Rebus.

February 1, 2013 at 9:43 p.m.
Rebus said...

DD: wasn't meant as clever repartee.. Sentence stands on its own. Talking in riddles is, well, you and dude_'s job.

February 1, 2013 at 11:11 p.m.
canarysong said...

Sure, BRP, that must be why 96% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences are democrats. But if it makes you feel better about yourself, believe what you wish...... :-)

February 2, 2013 at 12:04 a.m.
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