published Sunday, July 14th, 2013

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about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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The military is better than the Muslim Brotherhood, BO's regime of choice, of course.

July 14, 2013 at 12:18 a.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix, your stupid comment is noted for the record.

Can you back it up?

Will you please post an ounce of proof that President Obama had one iota of involvement in the election of Mohammad Morsi as the President of Egypt?

July 14, 2013 at 12:48 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Bennett obviously wasn't going to let that Trayvon Martin toon stay up was he. I wonder what he had planned to run if the verdict had came in as guilty. I bet that one was not just erased but nuked.

It'll probably take him a few days to get over the shock of his utter disappointment before he can come up with a properly repugnant display of his disgust for this miscarriage of justice.

July 14, 2013 at 12:55 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO posted "zableedofisterix, your stupid comment is noted for the record." That sounds plumb Easy123 like

July 14, 2013 at 1:21 a.m.
fairmon said...

Let Egypt deal with Egypt's problems. American taxpayers have no reason to borrow money in order to provide aid and assistance to any middle east or north African country? Egypt and the Camel they rode in on can take a flying leap. Avoid any fight where you are not willing to do whatever it takes to win. Wusses don't win wars.

July 14, 2013 at 1:24 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Ha. Well, the military has a fair bit of US influence (nominal Christian heritage), so it's one of the less bad influences in Egypt, along with the Copts and other Christians. Separation of Islam and state is a good idea (along with separation of atheism and state). The military may--no guarantees yet--improve on Mr Morsi. It might even, if it uses sensible economics as General Pinochet did in Chile, do quite a bit better for many Egyptians.

President Obama encouraged Mr Mubarak to step down, with the likelihood of more extreme Muslims coming to power, and he subsidized the Morsi government with our tax dollars. Anti-Morsi Egyptians tended to give Mr Obama and his ambassador some blame.

(From this distance, reasonable doubt about George Zimmerman's guilt seems reasonable, and "reasonable doubt" equates with a verdict of "not guilty.")

July 14, 2013 at 1:26 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

I guess today is Bastille Day for our French friends, their 4th of July, celebrating a revolution that brought in the guillotine and Napoleon Bonaparte. Thank God for Oliver Cromwell and even George Washington.

July 14, 2013 at 1:29 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Why would anyone, black, white, or green, give 2 shizzes about anything Al Sharpton has to say?

July 14, 2013 at 1:34 a.m.
nucanuck said...

The Egyptian military couldn't wait for the next election cycle to try to remove President Morsi democratically. Now let the US backed Egyptian military try to run a vastly over-populated country that is beset with a hopeless economy. This is going to cost the US plenty to keep this disaster afloat. Here come the unintended consequences.

It appears that the US wanted Morsi out and the US compliant Egyptian military backed the large minority by deposing and jailing the (guilty of what?) elected President. The US is going to spend it's money and be hated by both sides of Egyptian society.

Meddling, even when subtle, is a losing proposition. No other country has accumulated more proof than the US.

July 14, 2013 at 2:17 a.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "President Obama encouraged Mr Mubarak to step down, with the likelihood of more extreme Muslims coming to power, and he subsidized the Morsi government with our tax dollars."

President Obama did NOT call for Mubarak to step down. He called for him to listen to the people within his nation.

"The people of Egypt have spoken. Their voices have been heard and Egypt will never be the same," the president said. "By stepping down, President Mubarak responded to the Egyptian people's hunger for change, but this is not the end of Egypt's transition. It's the beginning."

The President endorsed a free election process in which Mohammad Morsi was selected to succeed Mubarak by the Egyptian people.

Egypt has been receiving an average of $2 billion a year in foreign aid since 1979, when it struck a peace treaty with Israel.

The aid they receive currently is not due to any support of any leadership by President Obama.

I really wish some of you would at least TRY to be truthful from time to time.

"Anti-Morsi Egyptians tended to give Mr Obama and his ambassador some blame."

Blame for what? They were outvoted by their own citizens.

Our President is no more responsible for what is going on in Egypt than I am.

And he is refusing to get involved in it, and has refused to take any side in the coup, which is absolutely the right thing to do, and it is more than can be said for a few Republicans who are calling for some intervention and an elimination of all foreign aid to that nation.

A year ago, the cry was that the terrorists had taken over Egypt. Now some of these same people are upset that Morsi has been deposed.

It's getting real hard to find consistency among some people.

July 14, 2013 at 2:46 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Why would anyone, black, white, or green, give 2 shizzes about anything Al Sharpton has to say?"

It's very tempting to respond to that with the same kind of commentary that you love to dish out, but in the interest of not desiring to stray to far from today's topic, I'm just going to let it simmer on the stove.

Zimmerman is a free bird. He can go out and buy a new gun, get a C&C permit, and hunt some more prey to kill in self-defense. I wonder who God has planned for him to kill next.

July 14, 2013 at 2:57 a.m.
joneses said...

obama's Second Term Transformation Plans

The 2012 election has often been described as the most pivotal since 1860. This statement is not hyperbole. If Barack obama is re-elected the United States will never be the same, nor will it be able to re-capture its once lofty status as the most dominant nation in the history of mankind.

The overwhelming majority of Americans do not understand that obama's first term was dedicated to putting in place executive power to enable him and the administration to fulfill the campaign promise of "transforming America" in his second term regardless of which political party controls Congress. That is why his re-election team is virtually ignoring the plight of incumbent or prospective Democratic Party office holders.

The most significant accomplishment of obama's first term is to make Congress irrelevant. Under the myopic and blindly loyal leadership of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, the Democrats have succeeded in creating an imperial and, in a second term, a potential dictatorial presidency.


obama The Anti-American

What would a dedicated enemy do to take down America? WWII and the cold war showed it could not be done by direct force or intimidation, so the next attempt is to do it internally. Weaken the things that make America strong, abandon our allies, attack the strength of the dollar, nationalize key businesses, sociaIize health care, disarm the citizens, and subject a society that supports freedom and the rights of all citizens to communism.

To this end barack has enlisted allies in liberal Democrats who are more than willing to help. barack promises a government run utopia that will take care of their every need. barack has convinced them they have the right to help themselves to what others have earned by taxing the rich, taxing big business, taxing our children's future, increasing the debit, and other fiscal nonsense. They should be careful what they wish for.

Wake up, Bad news everyone barack plan to sign the treaties during the lame duck session, which are going to kill this country making us answer directly to the UN shred our constitution and allowing UN troops to occupy US soil if we don't listen to the UN not to mention sharing our oil resources with UN countries just Google it to proof the fact.

July 14, 2013 at 7:14 a.m.
delmar said...

AndrewLohr said... (along with separation of atheism and state).

Uhm,,, help me understand this statement. Anyone.

July 14, 2013 at 7:35 a.m.
alprova said...

Francis has gone off the deep end this morning. He has officially espoused the most outrageous conspiracy of ever laid on the lapel of the President.

Obama will be crowning himself the eternal King, he will be profiting from American oil, and will be turning the United states over to the United Nations.

Wow!!! Who knew that a man who was virtually unknown to the vast majority of Americans a decade ago, has amassed all this power in just five years?

Not bad for a man who allegedly has never worked a day in his life and has been able to pull the wool over the eyes of most Americans.

I needed a good laugh this morning.

Thank you Mr. Francis for providing one!!

July 14, 2013 at 7:58 a.m.
alprova said...

delmar wrote: "AndrewLohr said... (along with separation of atheism and state)."

"Uhm,,, help me understand this statement. Anyone."

Since Andrew rarely responds to anyone, I'll be happy to give it a try.

Andrew is one of a minority of people who believes in "separation of Atheism and State", and also separation of all other religions and State, with the exception of those who represent their own religious beliefs, whatever they are.

The founding fathers seem to have had some very good insight, despite the fact that there was very little religious difference at the time this country was created on paper.

They knew that religious influence in Government was a very dangerous prospect. One only has to look toward the Middle East to understand why.

There are about as many different platforms of Islam as there are current platforms of Christianity. Each faction feels that their beliefs are the true, chosen and God sanctioned principles by which everyone should be living.

Since Andrew and many other Evangelicals would welcome a religious dominance of Government, so long as it involves those who share their mismatched Christian values, they are briefly united in their view of Atheism, an absence in the belief in God, considering it an evil influence that should never be in the heads of anyone who represents us as a leader of this nation.

Never mind the fact that if religious influence in this nation were to come to dominate Government, it would tear us apart just as it has other nations around the world who have allowed it.

Come to think of it, religious influence is currently threatening to tear this nation apart. The Republican Party, with their constant infighting, and failure to unify on just about every major piece of recent legislation, is proof that unless they expel religious radicals from their ranks, it's only going to get worse.

July 14, 2013 at 8:22 a.m.
jesse said...

Democracy will never work in the mid east or Africa in general!

It's a tribal culture and will be for the next 500 years!

Ironic that so far Iran has came closest to making it work!

July 14, 2013 at 8:48 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Wusses don't win wars."

Here's a thought...

There are no winners of any war. There is one side who only loses less.

On February 12, 2012, two men went to war in Sanford, Florida. There are many beliefs as to who started the war, but the fact that there was a war is not disputed.

For the purposes of my point, it does not matter who started the war. One side was annihilated, which some would perceive as a win for the one who is still breathing air.

His life will never be the same as it was before the battle. He will have the events that transpired during that war to deal with.

Will he be able to pick up where he left off and to live the rest of his life in the belief that he was totally justified in engaging in war and totally justified in the annihilation of his opponent?

There are many people who have had no part or any stake in the outcome of that war seem to believe that his actions were justified. Others believe the opposite.

Irregardless of the events that took place when that war took place, only a handful of lives were directly tainted that night.

The man who won that war, lost a great deal as well. His future will be largely determined by how well his conscience, if indeed he has one, allows him to put that night behind him and to move forward.

I wouldn't want to be in his shoes for a minute. He may have won the war, but his life will never, ever be the same as it was five minutes prior to 7:15 pm on February 12, 2012.

That's a total loss in my opinion.

July 14, 2013 at 8:59 a.m.
rick1 said...

The Obama Administration has managed to enrage both sides in the Egyptian political crisis.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57593571/egyptian-protesters-on-both-sides-angry-at-u.s/

July 14, 2013 at 9:10 a.m.
jesse said...

I would bet that George has had a doz job offers since the verdict came in!

Interviews,talk show circuit ,poster boy for the gun lobby and prob wind up working for the N.R.A.!Maybe write a book? Some right wing security firm will make him a V.P. !

BTW AL: He won't have to buy a new gun,he gets his old one back!(prob. got it already!)

July 14, 2013 at 9:17 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Wow!!! Who knew that a man who was virtually unknown to the vast majority of Americans a decade ago, has amassed all this power in just five years? Not bad for a man who allegedly has never worked a day in his life and has been able to pull the wool over the eyes of most Americans.

Good question, do you have an answer? I think the president is a figure head that gets too much credit and blame for things beyond his control. That was or is especially true with Bush and now Obama. They are very dependent on the people they put in power positions and the senate and house speakers. An analogy could be the coach of a team of professional athletes. The players make the coach appear to be great or not so great or so weak he is fired. A coach has some input on who the players will be but not totally, the GM and owner have a lot of control. The same is true with the president who, like a coach, better pick all stars for those positions where he decides who the player will be. Obama, in my opinion, is not a good manager or coach but a lot like a mediocre player with a big ego.

July 14, 2013 at 9:17 a.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Democracy will never work in the mid east or Africa in general!"

Wake the heck up. It's not working so well here either.

"It's a tribal culture and will be for the next 500 years!"

A tribe is defined as a social group existing before the development of, or outside of, states. It can also refer to societies organized largely on the basis of kinship.

Conservatives, Liberals, Republicans, Democrats, Evangelicals, Calvinists, and even Atheists, are all examples of our own domestic tribal clans.

There is very little unity among us.

"Ironic that so far Iran has came closest to making it work!"

Iran has an official religion, which is Shia Islam. Iran has an official Language, which is Persian. The political system of Iran is a combination of a loosely defined parliamentary democracy with a religious theocracy dominated by a supreme clergyman.

Time will tell if Hassan Rouhani, a liberal by our standards, will be allowed to preside over the people of Iran and repair the image and relations of Iran with the West.

July 14, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "The Obama Administration has managed to enrage both sides in the Egyptian political crisis."

Both sides in Egypt are upset BECAUSE our President has refused to intervene, in the past, and now.

What is YOUR opinion on the matter?

I know you entertain a sense of delight that the Egyptian people are blaming Obama for the turmoil at the moment, but what do you believe President Obama's role should be in Egypt?

He has taken a hands-off approach during both coups that have taken place since he has been President and has not intervened at all, even when requested to do so.

What do you think he has done or not done that is so wrong?

July 14, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Good question, do you have an answer?"

You wouldn't care to read my answer, because the President, in my opinion, is a decent man who has been vilified since day one.

"I think the president is a figure head that gets too much credit and blame for things beyond his control."

Amen to that.

"That was or is especially true with Bush and now Obama. They are very dependent on the people they put in power positions and the senate and house speakers."

Preach on. You've got my attention.

"An analogy could be the coach of a team of professional athletes. The players make the coach appear to be great or not so great or so weak he is fired. A coach has some input on who the players will be but not totally, the GM and owner have a lot of control. The same is true with the president who, like a coach, better pick all stars for those positions where he decides who the player will be."

What an excellent analogy. I like it very much.

"Obama, in my opinion, is not a good manager or coach but a lot like a mediocre player with a big ego."

Has there ever been a humble President in the history of this country? You don't get to be a President without demonstrating a moderate to high amount of confidence which is often mistaken for an out of control ego.

Believe it or not, this country is and has been recovering since the man walked into the Oval Office. Compared to where this nation was in January, 2009 and where we are today, miracles have happened.

The only comparable event in this nation's entire history to where we were then, was the Great Depression of the 1930's. The difference, which is quite notable, is that there has been very little suffering by Americans during this recovery.

Yes, it has been expensive. Yes, this nation is deep in debt. But when you look at the facts and figures, we are nowhere near as deep in debt as this nation once was, in terms of debt contrasted to GDP.

Despite all the fluff, the misinformation, and the outright lies, this nation is on the right track, regardless of who deserves any or all the credit.

I consider the current President to be nothing more than a man. I don't look for him to be a God. He's certainly not without his share of faults, but we could have and have had worse leaders in our past.

And that is strictly my opinion, which can be supported with the facts.

July 14, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.

"Stupid comment", Alprova. I never said anything about Obama helping to elect Morsi. He favored the Muslim Brotherhood, which doesn't surprise me. As bad as a military regime is, how is it any better than an extreme Muslim regime? Women and girls treated worse than dogs and anyone who doesn't believe has a target on their back. Myanmar is a good example of a horrible military regime, and I guess you can call North Korea one as well, but an extreme Muslim regime isn't much better, and could be worse.

There's nothing stupid about my comment. The only problem you have with it is the same problem you have with anyone who doesn't share your opinion, you have no respect for them.

You must be cranky this morning because the Zimmerman verdict didn't go your way. Go for a walk , it helps.

July 14, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
degage said...

Al, The war in Sanford Fl, wasn't started 12 days before the 26th of Feb as you stated. You got that one wrong, it was the evening of Feb.26 2012. When you post it might help to get the facts straight.

July 14, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

I consider the current President to be nothing more than a man. I don't look for him to be a God. He's certainly not without his share of faults, but we could have and have had worse leaders in our past.

I agree, not sure we would agree on the worst of the past. You hint the president is the source of an improving economy. Look at the historical nominal 7 year cycles. The federal reserve was established to even out the extremes and to some extent they have. I am concerned that recently they have become too close to the financial sector and a little too political although they are supposed to be independent of political influence.

July 14, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Jesse, ever heard of the UAE (United Arab Emirates)? As for Eqypt, except for the recent violence our foreign aid there has contributed to a fairly stable, albeit corrupt, Muslim country in a very sensitive part of the world. Think Suez Canal.

Eqypt is 90 percent Muslim yet recognizes Israel as a state, and has been peaceful for quite some time. Of course we should continue to support them. If not, the extremists will move in with their influence to fill the vacuum. How hard is that to understand?

I have traveled to numerous Middle Eastern countries including Egypt, Oman, UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bahrain, Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan, Israel, and Iraq. By far, the most unfriendly to western citizens are the Saudi, Kuwaiti, and Iraqi. I have had little or no problem in the other countries.

Egypt overall is a moderate Muslim country. Even though it is 90 percent Muslim, Morsi only garnered 51 percent of the vote and was supported by the radical Muslim Brotherhood. Egyptians have shown that they support moderation in their country and are well worth our support.

July 14, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Democracy will never work in the mid east or Africa in general!"

alpro responds with...Wake the heck up. It's not working so well here either.

The U.S. is not a democracy but a republic, the terms are not derivatives of the two parties. Those countries are very tribal with Islam having as many factions as other religions have denominations.

July 14, 2013 at 10:37 a.m.
rick1 said...

Al, you feel Obama has been hands off but Obama should have kept his mouth shut instead of making the stupid comment that Mubarak was leaving office before Mubarak had a chance to make that announcement on his own. All this did was piss off Mubarak and prolonged his announcement that he was leaving.

Obama’s foreign policy is inconsistent and incoherent. Obama needs to have a spine and take a stand. At one point Obama supported Mubarak, then kicked him to the curb. Obama then said the people had the right to decide but then stood silent when the Muslim Brotherhood took power and ran the country into the ground, all the while he continued to support The Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi.

The Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas are connected and look what Gaza looks like with Hamas in control. Obama should have known there were going to be problems once Morsi and his Brothers took control, and by backing Morsi and the Brotherhood he lost the respect and support of the Military and the Egyptian people. I’m also very concerned of what message it sends around the world when Obama shows he is supporting a president who has ties to a terrorist organization.

July 14, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Welcome to the ALPO show, ladies and germs.

BTW. who's Francis?

July 14, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.
fairmon said...

hotdiggity said... Jesse, ever heard of the UAE (United Arab Emirates)? As for Eqypt, except for the recent violence our foreign aid there has contributed to a fairly stable, albeit corrupt, Muslim country in a very sensitive part of the world. Think Suez Canal.

Sounds as if you may be in the oil business. If not why risk traveling to those countries?

U.S. achievement of no dependence on oil from the middle east or Africa would be a boost to the U.S. economy and the world in general while making it more difficult for those countries to be so aggressive. With no need for their oil why should Americans be concerned about any country where the majority hate us and would like to see us suffer? I have no value for risking one more American casualty or disabling injury and the continued pouring of money into a black hole attempting to control or influence a bunch of incorrigible radicals.

July 14, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.
Maximus said...

"Whose on first?" A question we hard working American's ask ourselves every day about the wacky world of Barry The Welfare Pimp. One thing for sure, Obama and the rest of his elitist hinchmen hate the word "PROFIT" when it comes to our healthcare system. Of course without PROFIT no PROGRESS would be made and millions would still be dying of AIDS. For PROFIT, AMERICAN CORPORATIONS, have not rid our world of AIDS yet but Magic Johnson is still alive as well as hundreds of thousands because of................individuals pursuing their goals, saving lives, and generating PROFITS for themselves and their stock holders. Obama hates the INDIVIDUAL ACHIEVEMENT part....remember, YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT? Barry The Welfare pimp feels to his soul that you and I absolutely can't get along without his big, out of control, wealth destroying, wealth re-distributing, GUVMENT! As for Egypt........WHO GIVES A CRAP! Touring the pyramids (built by big government slaves by the way) would be cool but that's about it. They can burn it down for all I care. OK, off to the golf course! Later loser liberals that can't scratch their balls without Obama telling them to do it! Now dats fuuuuuunnnny! Oh yea, good for Zimmerman....see you at the gun range ya'll!!!

July 14, 2013 at 1:17 p.m.
alprova said...

zab wrote: "../"Stupid comment", Alprova. I never said anything about Obama helping to elect Morsi."

You stated it was the President's "regime of choice." How did he CHOOSE it?

"He favored the Muslim Brotherhood, which doesn't surprise me."

It should be a surprise, because you are lying. The President, as a world leader, was cautious, optimistic, and reserved at all times when referring to the Muslim Brotherhood, and in fact, he has never even personally met with one of them.

Two Republicans did. Senators John McCain and Lindsay Graham have both traveled to Egypt and have held meetings with representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Your criticism is highly misplaced.

"As bad as a military regime is, how is it any better than an extreme Muslim regime?"

I'm sure it isn't, but that's hardly the point. I haven't expressed any support for any of the turmoil going on in that nation. Quite frankly, I don't care. There are enough issues in this nation that have my attention at the moment.

"Women and girls treated worse than dogs and anyone who doesn't believe has a target on their back. Myanmar is a good example of a horrible military regime, and I guess you can call North Korea one as well, but an extreme Muslim regime isn't much better, and could be worse."

You really should be aware that I do not endorse ANY religious domination of ANY Government, and your President believes the same thing.

"There's nothing stupid about my comment. The only problem you have with it is the same problem you have with anyone who doesn't share your opinion, you have no respect for them."

Your pinning anything that is going on in Egypt at the moment, or in the past, is indeed stupid on your part. If you're going to wade in on issues, at least have the decency to be factual.

"You must be cranky this morning because the Zimmerman verdict didn't go your way. Go for a walk , it helps."

I'm over it. I, like everyone else, had no personal stake in that verdict. I don't have to live with the fact that I murdered an innocent young man. George Zimmerman does.

July 14, 2013 at 1:41 p.m.
scrimshaw said...

Re-labeling Clay's camel blanket "Military Industrial Complex", and the rider as "USA",would not be too far off the mark.

July 14, 2013 at 1:51 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, The war in Sanford Fl, wasn't started 12 days before the 26th of Feb as you stated. You got that one wrong, it was the evening of Feb.26 2012. When you post it might help to get the facts straight."

Give the woman a cookie!! Thanks for the correction. I did indeed goof on that one.

July 14, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova's job description.....Mindless Defender Of The Hapless Obama Administration. Only the weak and spineless need apply. Wow, Alprova spends his whole life posting on the TFP and I am sure collects a GUVMENT check and has an Obama phone. So very sad to squander your life spewing nonsense about how great our worst, most divisive President ever. How about Obama's so called signature accomplishment, Obamacare? Who is on first? Not Barry and we all know, Alprova did not make the team. Nerd alert!

July 14, 2013 at 2:02 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Give the woman a cookie!! Thanks for the correction. I did indeed goof on that one.


That wasn’t the only thing you were mistaken about.


klifnotes said...

Being found Not Guilty doesn't necessarily = innocent.

klifnotes said...

Just because the jury found Zman not guilty of manslaughter doesn't make him innocent.

alprova said ...

Hey...he won. He is a free man. My predictions were incorrect.

That in no manner translates into any fact that George Zimmerman was innocent.


Do you know why the court rulings are given as guilty and not guilty only and they do not give a verdict of innocence? You really don’t do you?

Because when the defendant first enters the courtroom he/she has the presumption of innocence and unless the court finds them guilty they leave with that same presumption of innocence.

Zimmerman left the courtroom as an innocent person in the eyes of the law.

You opinion matters none at all.

July 14, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
degage said...

Al, sugar cookie, please.

July 14, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, you feel Obama has been hands off but Obama should have kept his mouth shut instead of making the stupid comment that Mubarak was leaving office before Mubarak had a chance to make that announcement on his own."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/10/egypt-protests-obama-mubarak_n_821736.html

"All this did was piss off Mubarak and prolonged his announcement that he was leaving."

He really didn't have any choice in the matter. He was gonna leave, or else.

"Obama’s foreign policy is inconsistent and incoherent. Obama needs to have a spine and take a stand."

It's not our country and not our fight to enter into. The President is handling it exactly the way it needs to be handled.

"At one point Obama supported Mubarak, then kicked him to the curb. Obama then said the people had the right to decide but then stood silent when the Muslim Brotherhood took power and ran the country into the ground, all the while he continued to support The Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi."

I see. So you believe that our President was supposed to go over to Egypt, step up onto a podium, and declare the democratic elections invalid, because the Muslim Brotherhood candidate won?

Get this in your head. Our President did not support Morsi, so much as he supported the will and the right of the Egyptian people to be allowed to select their leaders.

"The Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas are connected and look what Gaza looks like with Hamas in control. Obama should have known there were going to be problems once Morsi and his Brothers took control, and by backing Morsi and the Brotherhood he lost the respect and support of the Military and the Egyptian people."

The President did not "back" anyone. He backed the process in which the Egyptian people were allowed to vote.

"I’m also very concerned of what message it sends around the world when Obama shows he is supporting a president who has ties to a terrorist organization."

That Sir, is all in your mind, and everyone else who despises the President. As is always the case, your facts are complete machinations made up yourself or by someone else and you have read it.

July 14, 2013 at 2:26 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Zimmerman left the courtroom as an innocent person in the eyes of the law."

But not according to 66% of the American people, according to a poll taken late last night. They think he was quite guilty.

"You opinion matters none at all."

None of our opinions matter. The only ones that did were those six women who turned him loose, and I'm betting that some or all of them will come to regret their decision when they discover what was not aired in court.

July 14, 2013 at 2:35 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, sugar cookie, please."

Do you want some sprinkles on top?

That was a good catch. I looked the date up and thought it to be correct, but the source I got it from had it wrong. I should have double checked it.

I always strive for accuracy, but I am quite human and am just as subject to making mistakes as anyone else.

Again, thanks for setting me straight.

July 14, 2013 at 2:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Whatever Trayvon Martin did prior to the night of his death, the fact remains that he was doing not one thing wrong in the moments leading up to the moment when the two of them were within arm's reach of each other.

Nothing.

(He did do something very foolish if not wrong when he returned to confront Zimmerman at the the “T”)

Life is 'precious' when it is totally innocent in the womb,

(Life that is viable [can survive with reasonably limited care and support] and at the same time vulnerable to nature and external attack require additional protections.)

but life means little to nothing to them when human imperfections are exposed.

(You have no way of knowing the hearts and minds of others)

Damn you and your self-righteousness. May it pave your way to Hell.

(And yet you go on to post later “Oh me oh my, it seems that I have touched a nerve or two this morning.” From the above you seem to have the raw nerve that is being touched)

And that goes for anyone else who believes that Trayvon Martin deserved to die and that the prosecution of George Zimmerman is political.

(He didn’t deserve to die until he made the fatal decision to take the confrontation to an unacceptable level and this was absolutely nothing more than a racially motivated political show trial)

July 14, 2013 at 2:41 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, I posted Obama should have known there were going to be problems once Morsi and his Brothers took control, and by backing Morsi and the Brotherhood he lost the respect and support of the Military and the Egyptian people.

What I meant was Obama backed Morsi once he became President. So please clarify if your response of "The President did not "back" anyone. He backed the process in which the Egyptian people were allowed to vote." Was in reference to before or after Morsi was elected.

July 14, 2013 at 2:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "You hint the president is the source of an improving economy."

I do believe that he has been responsible for part of it, sure.

"Look at the historical nominal 7 year cycles. The federal reserve was established to even out the extremes and to some extent they have."

They've done more than that. There has been little to no inflation, despite all the wing-flapping predictions over the last few years that there would be.

"I am concerned that recently they have become too close to the financial sector and a little too political although they are supposed to be independent of political influence."

How so? The markets have always responded to decisions made and announced by the Fed.

"The U.S. is not a democracy but a republic, the terms are not derivatives of the two parties."

In theory, you are correct, but most everyone believes that the majority will in this nation should override the will of the minority, on just about every issue.

The last great decision that showed that we are a Republic, occurred with the passage of Civil Rights legislation, and even then, it was a majority of Representatives that had to pass it.

"Those countries are very tribal with Islam having as many factions as other religions have denominations."

There's very little difference between a religious denomination and a faction of Islam. Each are built on a platform or rejection of belief.

July 14, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "What I meant was Obama backed Morsi once he became President."

How did he "back" him? For the umpteenth time, our President had no choice but to publicly accept the will of the Egyptian people, who were the only ones to select Morsi.

"So please clarify if your response of "The President did not "back" anyone. He backed the process in which the Egyptian people were allowed to vote." Was in reference to before or after Morsi was elected."

Both. He doggone sure did not make any public statement of endorsement of Mohammad Morsi or the Muslim Brotherhood before he was elected.

July 14, 2013 at 2:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo says he strives for accuracy. Then why the CPA scam?

July 14, 2013 at 3:07 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, there were clear signs there were serious trouble with Morsi and The Obama Administration continued to give Morsi foreign aid without conditions.

Last year Clinton gave $1.3 billion in military aid to Morsi even when there were human rights concerns and earlier this year Kerry announced our government was giving $250 million with no conditions to Morsi.

It was clear this aid was not working yet Obama continued to stick with Morsi.

July 14, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
alprova said...

PT, you're nothing if not totally pathetic with your little bee buzzing commentary.

July 14, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Answer the question, fraud boy.

July 14, 2013 at 3:32 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, there were clear signs there were serious trouble with Morsi and The Obama Administration continued to give Morsi foreign aid without conditions."

The President does not decide who gets or does not get foreign aid. That is the responsibility of the Senate.

"Last year Clinton gave $1.3 billion in military aid to Morsi even when there were human rights concerns and earlier this year Kerry announced our government was giving $250 million with no conditions to Morsi."

And both of those announcements followed Senate votes which authorized both instances of foreign aid. Any concerns of human rights violations were not supported by the majority of Senators.

"It was clear this aid was not working yet Obama continued to stick with Morsi."

Obama made no choice, nor did he have any choice.

July 14, 2013 at 3:35 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Answer the question, fraud boy."

Your question has been answered.

July 14, 2013 at 3:39 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Just answered it. Thanks

July 14, 2013 at 3:41 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al posted "And both of those announcements followed Senate votes which authorized both instances of foreign aid. Any concerns of human rights violations were not supported by the majority of Senators."

Al you know darn well the President has the authority to veto foreign aid. Intentionally leaving that out shows how disingenuous you were in making the above listed comment.

July 14, 2013 at 3:50 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Cornel West: Most Liberals 'Morally Bankrupt': wow, never thought I would agree with this chap

July 14, 2013 at 4:49 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Rick, I guess it escapes your attention that in a country which is 90% Muslim that the candidate who won, (supported by the extremist Muslim Brotherhood), only garnered 51% of the vote.

Perhaps that signifies that the majority of Muslims in Egypt do not support a theocratic government? Perhaps that is something that would be in our best interests? Perhaps that deserves our support?

Of course we could of just dropped our foreign aid. I'm sure that would have endeared us to the people fighting to do away with the theocratic regime in Egypt.

Your sophomoric insistence that president Obama "supported" Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood is ridiculous and smacks of Faux News.

Perhaps you noticed that the military in Egypt are the ones that ousted Mr. Morsi? We have supported them with foreign aid and they have supported us with military, counterterrorism, and intelligence cooperation for years.

You would be foolish to think that the administration has not been working in the background to negate the influence of both the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi.

Don't that just get your conspiracy juices flowing?

July 14, 2013 at 5:06 p.m.
rick1 said...

Hotdiggy, Obama’s Arab Spring has been a failure. In Cairo the same city Obama announced his attentions to build a new relationship between the United States and the Middle East we have seen a disaster. We have had an ambassador and three other Americans murdered in Benghazi on 09/11/13 and on that same day our embassy in Egypt was stormed by protestors tore down our flag and replaced it with a flag that resembled al-Qaeda’s black banner and our embassy in Yeman was also stormed by protestors.

The people of Egypt had aspirations for freedom and democracy but what they witnessed was Morsi cracking down on Egypt’s media and announcing that Egyptian journalists will be put on trial for insults to the president, and Morsi and his thugs coming down hard on Egyptians’ political, social, and cultural freedoms and human rights violations.

What they also witnessed was Obama’s continued support for Mosri and felt Obama had turned his back on them. During the protest to remove Morsi the vast majority of the protestors were not only carrying anti Morsi signs they were also carrying signs saying Obama Supports Terrorism and Obama Supports Morsi.

Obama has not lost the respect and trust of the Egyptian people and has made the Middle East even more volatile and this is a threat to our security as Egypt will not cooperate with our country on terrorist and other security issues.

Next time you do not agree with someone one please come up with a new line instead of Faux News as where you got your information from. It really is very sophomoric

July 14, 2013 at 7:04 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al you know darn well the President has the authority to veto foreign aid. Intentionally leaving that out shows how disingenuous you were in making the above listed comment."

I think if you will do a check, you will find that foreign aid bills, especially those to Libya and Egypt, have been passed with a two-thirds majority voting in favor of them.

July 14, 2013 at 7:55 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Obama’s Arab Spring has been a failure. In Cairo the same city Obama announced his attentions to build a new relationship between the United States and the Middle East we have seen a disaster."

Rick, it is EGYPT'S disaster, not the President's. Morsi was duly elected by the people of Egypt and he turned out to be a wolf in sheep's clothing. So, he was removed from power.

"We have had an ambassador and three other Americans murdered in Benghazi on 09/11/13 and on that same day our embassy in Egypt was stormed by protestors tore down our flag and replaced it with a flag that resembled al-Qaeda’s black banner and our embassy in Yeman was also stormed by protestors."

The attacks in Benghazi had nothing to do with those in the other two countries, or are you linking them? Much time has been spent by the Republicans in Congress, attempting to discount any association between the events in Banghazi and those in the other two countries.

Do you remember WHY those protests ensued in Egypt and Yemen? That little anti-Muslim video sparked the protests in Egypt and Yemen.

"The people of Egypt had aspirations for freedom and democracy but what they witnessed was Morsi cracking down on Egypt’s media and announcing that Egyptian journalists will be put on trial for insults to the president, and Morsi and his thugs coming down hard on Egyptians’ political, social, and cultural freedoms and human rights violations."

And as we have witnessed, the Egyptian people did something about it. The United States was not involved for so much as a minute.

Blaming President Obama for any event in Egypt is like blaming me for a pimple popping up on your posterior. It makes no sense whatsoever.

"What they also witnessed was Obama’s continued support for Mosri and felt Obama had turned his back on them. During the protest to remove Morsi the vast majority of the protestors were not only carrying anti Morsi signs they were also carrying signs saying Obama Supports Terrorism and Obama Supports Morsi."

So there's Obama haters in Egypt too. I'm still waiting for any comment offered by President Obama, spoken on this land or theirs, offering any endorsement of Mohammad Morsi before or after he was elected.

July 14, 2013 at 8:32 p.m.
alprova said...

"Obama has not lost the respect and trust of the Egyptian people and has made the Middle East even more volatile and this is a threat to our security as Egypt will not cooperate with our country on terrorist and other security issues."

Egypt has a problem, in that the Muslim Brotherhood outnumber most people in Egypt. Their brand of Islam, rich with a moderate amount of radical religious influence, dominates Egypt by sheer numbers.

If, after this all plays out, a leader is elected that attempts to institute the same laws that Morsi attempted to pass, I'm sure that there will be more turmoil to witness.

But it will never be the fault of President Obama. Try to focus on the fact that the President is only concerned that the people are allowed to elect their leader and has NEVER stood up on a stage with any one of them to endorse them in any manner.

You really need to read up on the issue to discover the truth. Your information is definitely coming from Obama-hating, Obama-blaming sources.

Of course, like you do most things, you seem to be unwilling to balance what you read, see, or hear, with alternative sources of information, to reach a logical and unbiased view.

That's your problem and you are free to keep believing whatever you so desire, but the facts do not support your stance.

July 14, 2013 at 8:32 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

FBI records: agents found no evidence that Zimmerman was racist

July 14, 2013 at 10:38 p.m.
alprova said...

Les wrote: "If Bennett and Sohn come down on the side of the race hustlers and buy into Obama's racist liturgy by participating in the cynical and illogical lynching of George Zimmerman, I will cancel my subscription to this bloody damn Progressive rag. Enough is enough."

I'm sure that the prospect of your threat has them on pins and needles.

July 14, 2013 at 11 p.m.
alprova said...

Les wrote: "Most people who had any knowledge of the Zimmerman case were of the opinion that Zimmerman should not have been charged."

Polls taken late last night don't bear that out. 66% say that he was guilty.

"But the racists within the Justice Department, at the behest of another racist, Barack Obama, threatened and intimidated the State of Florida into bringing the charges."

Uh huh...yeah...sure.

"And they all knew that there would be an acquittal."

The case has been concluded to the satisfaction of all those who believe that Zimmerman was justified in shooting a potential thug.

Please...get on with your life.

"This is yet another prime example of the hate Obama has for this country and the lengths to which he will go to drive a wedge between the various segments of our society."

How nice of you to share your persistent paranoia with the forum participants.

July 14, 2013 at 11:05 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "FBI records: agents found no evidence that Zimmerman was racist"

But of course...Zimmerman is an equal opportunity a-hole hater and shooter.

July 14, 2013 at 11:08 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Like I said, Baghdad Al, the FBI found no evidence of racism. I understand this doesn't fit the narrative you libs want, but it is what it is.

July 14, 2013 at 11:27 p.m.
alprova said...

Whatever...

The fact remains thzt there probably aren't any insurance companies out there that will be rushing to issue George Zimmerman a policy anytime in the near future.

July 14, 2013 at 11:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

I was thinking someone may help me understand why I should not want all American military personnel out of the middle east and north Africa. Help me understand why I should give a rip what happens in those countries. Why should America borrow money to provide them aid of any kind. Why should future generations of Americans be burdened with a debt they can never pay to provide unappreciated support to any country? It is bad enough that the future of those not yet born are being indebted to satisfy the greed of those spoiled Americans accustomed to free stuff without earning it. Our elected elite don't accept the fact they are no longer daddy Warbucks.

July 15, 2013 at 1:05 a.m.
degage said...

I wish someone would help me understand what happened to this wonderful country. If you are found not guilty of a crime this DOJ thinks it can trump up other charges to see if they can do a GOTCHA! Holder Reid and Obama are the biggest race baiters in this country. Had this verdict been guilty of something this administration would not be thinking of taking any action.

What happened to the civil rights of the 13 year old boy sitting on his porch when a group of black teens poured gas on him and lite it. That boy spent a long time in the burn unit. this happened 3 days after the Trayvon shooting and these boys told him "you deserve this, white boy". Then just this weekend a 78 year old was beaten by 6 black youths, the youngest was 11 years old. Or the elderly couple in Indiana that were beaten and the woman died from her wounds, all because a group of youths were out for retaliation for Trayvon.

I wonder how some on here would feel if they were found not guilty and the government said that is not good enough we will get you anyway.

July 15, 2013 at 7:07 a.m.
jesse said...

Lookin like the DOJ is gonna get a "mulligan"!

July 15, 2013 at 7:19 a.m.
Maximus said...

Who cares about Egypt, let them solve their own problems. Go to work people!

July 15, 2013 at 9:01 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ms Gage: The DOJ is merely trying to placate the left. They will find no reason to charge Zim. A sorry state of affairs.

July 15, 2013 at 9:06 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "What happened to the civil rights of the 13 year old boy sitting on his porch when a group of black teens poured gas on him and lite it. That boy spent a long time in the burn unit. this happened 3 days after the Trayvon shooting and these boys told him "you deserve this, white boy". Then just this weekend a 78 year old was beaten by 6 black youths, the youngest was 11 years old. Or the elderly couple in Indiana that were beaten and the woman died from her wounds, all because a group of youths were out for retaliation for Trayvon."

There is absolutely no tie whatsoever of the incidents you mentioned to the Trayvon Martin shooting. You're getting your information from sites that are making up details that were not in evidence.

The 13 year old was attacked over a bicycle. The Toledo man was not a racially motivated attack. And the Indiana couple was simply a home invasion robbery.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/home-invaders-attack-older-indianapolis-couple

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2012/04/03/Man-78-recounts-assault-by-6-youths-in-E-Toledo.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/US/burned-boys-attackers-adults/story?id=8829393#.UeP1ceUxfZ4

July 15, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.
alprova said...

It was alright that OJ was brought up on violating civil rights charges, but it's not alright for the same thing to be explored in this case?

I doubt that violation of civil rights charges will be filed against George Zimmerman by the Department of Justice, because there is very little evidence to support a charge of civil rights violation, but that does not mean that the family of Trayvon Martin may not go after him on their own, for causing the death of Trayvon.

In fact, I expect that such a case will be filed.

July 15, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPo says "In fact, I expect that such a case will be filed."

Thank you Capt. Obvious

July 15, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

JonRoss: There would be NO political dividends to lowering racial tensions.

July 15, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

PT wrote: "FBI records: agents found no evidence that Zimmerman was racist"

But of course...Zimmerman is an equal opportunity a-hole hater and shooter.


So Zimmerman hates and shoots a-holes. You might want to stay out of Sanford Florida

July 15, 2013 at 11:25 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Les wrote: "Most people who had any knowledge of the Zimmerman case were of the opinion that Zimmerman should not have been charged."

Polls taken late last night don't bear that out. 66% say that he was guilty.


He did say “Most people who had any knowledge” not “Most people who watch Nancy Grace”

July 15, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.
jesse said...

niceun jt!LOL!

and SO true!

July 15, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

That does not mean that the family of Trayvon Martin may not go after him on their own, for causing the death of Trayvon.

In fact, I expect that such a case will be filed.


Under Florida’s Stand Your Ground law if the martin family sues Zimmerman they could wind having to pay his legal bills. Zimmerman’s lawyers didn’t apply for a SYG hearing yet and in my opinion for this purpose. If they had applied earlier, before the not guilty verdict, the hostile judge could have denied it due to political pressure.

Now it will be much harder for it to be denied and the law grants immunity from civil suits and requires the defendant's legal bills to be paid most likely by his accusers. The Martin family got the HOA in Sanford to give them about $1 million to settle the lawsuit against the HOA which it should have delayed until after the verdict. They better be careful as Zimmerman may wind up with that money.

Their son did cause him bodily injury and they are responsible for their son’s actions. I don’t think Zimmerman would sue them for that but if they want push any lawsuits it could backfire on them. Very interesting .... Right?

July 15, 2013 at 11:50 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Sharpton "mobilizing" for 100 city protest. What a useless human being

July 15, 2013 at 12:52 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Les wrote: "Most people who had any knowledge of the Zimmerman case were of the opinion that Zimmerman should not have been charged."

Alprova wrote: "Polls taken late last night don't bear that out. 66% say that he was guilty."

Most people who had any KNOWLEDGE of the case.... not what the public thinks. Most of the public choose their point of view on what the media wants them to believe. The Orlando Daily news released the case photos this morning. Google it. It shows pics on Trayvon's phone, it shows George's beaten face, it shows criminal information on Trayvon, it tells that there is zero proof that George is a racist, also look at these two links to show how ignorant the 68% is.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjV9dzE_J_U&feature=youtu.be http://youtu.be/2sL2f0PoqME

July 15, 2013 at 12:59 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

No political advantage for left to allow racial tensions to cool. Stir it up lefties and MSM!

July 15, 2013 at 1:04 p.m.
degage said...

Al, the link you posted was not the boy in Kansas city 5 days after the Trayvon incident. your link was a completely different story. And if you search, crimes committed in retaliation for Trayvon martin, you will find quite a few.

July 15, 2013 at 1:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ I'm sure Holder will investigate.

July 15, 2013 at 1:52 p.m.
degage said...

PT, that was the laugh of the week! 1:52 pm post.

July 15, 2013 at 2:04 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

12:52?

July 15, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
degage said...

PT, that too!

July 15, 2013 at 6:42 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Reverends Jackson and Sharpton have set race relations back 30 years or more.

July 15, 2013 at 8:06 p.m.
fairmon said...

To hell with Zimmerman and Martin...how and why would an event not unlike similar events across the country occupy so much time and energy? If people and the media spent as much time on issues that will in time affect every person in this country something worthwhile may happen. Although I wonder when I watched person after person sign a petition that supported Obama's efforts to do away with the bill of rights. It was a ruse to see how people would react....most signed without question. 1 of ten did not sign and said they hadn't hear anything about it. No wonder we are in trouble.

July 15, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.
alprova said...

Les wrote: "Sorry alprova, if a black man attacks a white man, there is racial motivation."

Good grief, you are a hopeless pathetic bigot.

July 15, 2013 at 8:48 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, the link you posted was not the boy in Kansas city 5 days after the Trayvon incident. your link was a completely different story. And if you search, crimes committed in retaliation for Trayvon martin, you will find quite a few."

Okay, that case was not a hate crime either. Your sources embellished that one too.

http://www.ktts.com/news/140987753.html

July 15, 2013 at 8:53 p.m.
degage said...

Al, you are as much of a race baiter as Obama, holder and Reid. Pathetic! Black on white is not a hate crime? Get a life.

July 15, 2013 at 9:09 p.m.
alprova said...

Zimmerman may well face Federal charges. The pressure is on. Get your wallets ready to send in donations to that defense fund. It will be anything but a cakewalk.

July 15, 2013 at 9:12 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, you are as much of a race baiter as Obama, holder and Reid. Pathetic! Black on white is not a hate crime? Get a life."

What you and JonRoss wrote is indicative of the double standards that exist in this country.

You both believe that any attack by a black person is racially motivated, yet you have opined that any white attacking a black is not.

The expression of such sentiment proves that you are both ridiculously racially bigoted to the nth degree.

July 15, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
degage said...

You really are pathetic Al. You see all white people as evil and all blacks as victims. Like I said get a life.

July 15, 2013 at 9:23 p.m.
alprova said...

All you people claiming to have intimate knowledge of the case, and attacking people like myself who have a very balanced view of what was presented both in the media and in court, are no more knowledgeable than anyone else who was not on that jury.

Your opinion means nothing more than mine does.

The jury has spoken. I accept that. The first of the jurists was interviewed by Anderson Cooper this evening. She didn't give George Zimmerman a pass, like some of you believed they would.

Arguing over the State case doesn't matter anymore. That case has been concluded.

If...and I do mean if George is brought up on Federal charges, y'all are gonna howl to the moon, I'm sure, but no one will be able to stop that case from going forward.

1 million plus people have petitioned the Government to bring charges as of this evening.

It's going to be very interesting to see what happens in the coming days.

July 15, 2013 at 9:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

AL(Sharpton)PO. Alpo, the new race baiter

July 15, 2013 at 9:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Reverend Alpo: A "balanced view" is a very subjective thing.

July 15, 2013 at 9:39 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "You really are pathetic Al. You see all white people as evil and all blacks as victims. Like I said get a life."

I have in no manner stated that all white people are evil. I have also never stated that all black people are victims.

Everyone is an individual, who deserves to be viewed as such.

But don't you think I am fooled for one minute that you and some others who hang out in here have an extremely bigoted view of black people and that you totally exempt behavior of white people who have indeed victimized blacks.

Why not be honest about it? Why pretend to deny that you hold a dim view of all black people? It's as plain as the nose on your face.

July 15, 2013 at 9:40 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rev. Al: I have not seen any bigoted remarks from deegage.

July 15, 2013 at 9:50 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Rev. Al: I have not seem any bigoted remarks from deegage."

Most fellow bigots have trouble seeing such behavior in others.

You're as racially bigoted as she is.

July 15, 2013 at 9:58 p.m.
limric said...

I would like to believe because of his acquittal Zimmerman’s problems are over; and they should be. I wouldn’t be surprised however if some snaky individuals feel the urge to charge him with violating Martin's civil rights, or vampires like Al Sharpton et al will goad the Martins into filing a wrongful death suit.

But -

In this case there are NO civil rights violations, which has to show a distinct bias. If Zimmerman is charged with any civil rights violation it would be a complete and openly racist decision. And if (and that’s a big if) the DOJ is now planning charge Zimmerman with any civil rights violation, would they not be guilty of same? In this case the 5th amendment.

Considering the hammer and chisel used over the last decade on other rights – this would probably be (would be) applauded by an apologist media as a bold move for justice & equality.

The court of public opinion hasn't finished with that 'creepy ass cracker' - and are bound and determined to get blood out of a turnip.

July 15, 2013 at 10:06 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rev. Al, That's total BS.

July 15, 2013 at 10:07 p.m.
alprova said...

Pt...am I really so far off the mark?

"If police want to prevent a riot after Zimmerman trial, hold a Job Fair. That ought to scare off any potential rioters"

"Should we make a TOP TEN THINGS TO LOOT list in case of an acquittal?"

July 15, 2013 at 10:19 p.m.
alprova said...

Les, I have not called anyone a racist. You, PT, and degage, just today, have exposed yourselves to be racial bigots.

You have all expressed very stereotypical comments that cross the line.

Don't think for a second that any of you can fool anyone, that is anyone who does not care for those kind of comments, into believing that you have no preconceived abhorrence to people of color.

Your "truths" are not reflective of all black people and your continued raising of race based examples only solidifies any case I have tried to make that you are all bigoted.

No one that I am aware of has ever even suggested that George Zimmerman's attention paid to Trayvon Martin was initiated because of his race. He was in fact, an-aware of the race of Trayvon when he placed the call to the Sanford Police.

Trayvon was indeed black. Zimmerman was not. There is no disputing that simple and undeniable fact.

Had Trayvon been truly up to no good and had been shot in the commission of a crime, no one, including black people, would have given what happened the time of day.

Had George Zimmerman stayed in his pickup truck and not followed Trayvon, we would not be discussing the death of a 17 year old who was well withing his rights to be where he was at the time he garnered the erroneous attention of George Zimmerman.

An innocent black youth died. It did not have to happen. It should not have happened.

You and others have continuously called those who called for justice "race-baiters." You conveniently ignore the fact that an overwhelming number of people who have been protesting have been white.

How in the world can a white man, like myself, be considered a "race-baiter" when I am batting on behalf of a black young man who is now buried six feet under ground?

Your "truths" are fecal matter. Your "truths" are born and bathed in stereotypical racial bigotry that you refuse to admit to.

Any association of a dead boy to the actions of any number of other people who share his skin color is nothing but total ignorance and the very definition of racial bigotry.

Have there ever been attacks on people that have racial motivation behind them? Yes, of course there have. But what do any such examples have to do with what happened the night that Trayvon died?

The way I see it, and the way I will always see it, Trayvon was standing his ground because by George Zimmerman's own admission, he never once told Trayvon why he was following him.

And Florida's very stupid "stand your ground law" allowed George Zimmerman to get away with murder, because he had no duty to retreat when he was getting his ass whooped for his pretentious belief that he was acting much like a law enforcement officer.

July 15, 2013 at 11:02 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Alp, Admitting you made a mistake can be a challenge if you place a lot of store on not "losing face". However, in the eyes of other people, a person who can admit to mistakes and move on from them is more likely to garner respect than someone who blusters and pretends they weren't responsible. Ultimately, continued refusal to face up to being wrong or causing a problem can take a toll on your reputation, relationships, and your work or professional life. Zimmerman is not guilty! Your arguments are not making any sense to anybody! Forget the opinions and look at facts! 36 people interviewed to see if Zimmerman was racist.... Guess what? Zero evidence!

July 15, 2013 at 11:10 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Is it racist or just bigoted to exploit the other to burnish your liberal bona fides? I do know that self hatred is a definite sign of those tendencies.

July 15, 2013 at 11:13 p.m.
alprova said...

*"The mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract."" - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.

July 15, 2013 at 11:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rev Alpo...kindred spirits of Rev Al. stir the pot.

July 15, 2013 at 11:17 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

I think alprova was so invested in Zimmerman being found guilty he is having an emotional crisis. You can read it in the changed nature of his posts an the barely hidden rage that literal jumps off the page. This has more to do with his bruised ego than what happens or happened to any of the central figures in this event. The ranting about race is his attempt to cynically try to obtain some high ground and possibly save some face.

It's all about your pride .. Isn't it Al?

July 15, 2013 at 11:24 p.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "Alp, Admitting you made a mistake can be a challenge if you place a lot of store on not "losing face"."

I'm one of the few who has no problem admitting that I am incorrect. I predicted he would be found guilty of manslaughter. I was incorrect. The jury found him not guilty according the Florida law. It's over.

That in no manner suggests that I was or am still wrong about what happened that night.

Before "Stand your ground," the jury would have received an entirely different set of instructions. Under previous law, in order to claim self-defense, one has to demonstrate that they did not put themselves in harms way, did attempt to retreat, and did everything possible to avoid using deadly force.

"Zimmerman is not guilty! Your arguments are not making any sense to anybody! Forget the opinions and look at facts! 36 people interviewed to see if Zimmerman was racist.... Guess what? Zero evidence!"

And had you been paying attention, you would have noticed that I have not made any claim that Zimmerman is a racist, or that what happened that night was because Trayvon was black.

A jury of six said he was not guilty. According to the jury instructions, they had no choice but to find him not guilty.

Was George Zimmerman innocent of murder?

I wouldn't bet YOUR life on that. Would you?

July 15, 2013 at 11:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I think Alpo just spent too much time on the hot tarmac at the car lot today.

July 15, 2013 at 11:27 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Al has gotten so shaken that he can't even accomplish the highlighting of his posts.

When you get so wound up you can't even perform the simplest of tasks you definitely need to step back and evaluate you position.

July 15, 2013 at 11:29 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Is it racist or just bigoted to exploit the other to burnish your liberal bona fides? I do know that self hatred is a definite sign of those tendencies."

My dear, I absolutely do not hate myself. I like the person I have become.

Just because you view me as a white "Uncle Tom," your projections will never make me squirm for so much as a second.

July 15, 2013 at 11:31 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Was George Zimmerman innocent of murder?

I wouldn't bet YOUR life on that. Would you?

He shot him once from on his back.... I would have considered it murder if he had "unloaded on Trayvon". But as a carry permit holder, I learned to stop the threat, not to kill. The fact he died is tragic. Zimmerman shot him to stop the banging of his cranium.

July 15, 2013 at 11:37 p.m.
alprova said...

"I think alprova was so invested in Zimmerman being found guilty he is having an emotional crisis."

I have no more stake in seeing him convicted of a thing, than you do in praising his not guilty verdict.

"You can read it in the changed nature of his posts an the barely hidden rage that literal jumps off the page."

I admit to a certain amount of passion, but I am hardly outraged.

"This has more to do with his bruised ego than what happens or happened to any of the central figures in this event. The ranting about race is his attempt to cynically try to obtain some high ground and possibly save some face."

My dear, I have never had a moments trouble admitting when I am incorrect, unlike yourself, who simply moves and and never acknowledges your mistakes.

July 15, 2013 at 11:40 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Before "Stand your ground," the jury would have received an entirely different set of instructions. Under previous law, in order to claim self-defense, one has to demonstrate that they did not put themselves in harms way, did attempt to retreat, and did everything possible to avoid using deadly force.


Al when you write something like that it completely proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Stand your ground is not heard in court before a jury. It is a pretrial immunity hearing that the defense requests the judge to rule on and if he/she does so in the affirmative the defendant is set free.

Zimmerman’s lawyers did not go that route and instead had the case tried on standard self defense. They knew the judge was biased and this was going to trial no matter what. They have saved the SYG appeal for any civil suits which if they prevail then the Martins or whomever will have to bear all of Zimmerman’s legal costs.

July 15, 2013 at 11:42 p.m.
fairmon said...

It may be there are too many TV stations attempting to have 24/7 news. They keep regurgitating the same stuff over and over with interviews of anybody that will sit or stand still long enough to have microphone and camera in their face. Some really relish their time in the sun and probably watch themselves over and over.

Martin is black but Zimmerman is not white, there is no such thing as a white Hispanic. Holder chose his words carefully to possibly defuse some that may react and bought some time for a decision. The reporting of evidence I have seen doesn't indicate race was Zimmerman's motivation. It would be interesting to hear the basis for the AG deciding to react to media pressure and petitions. The parents pursuing a wrongful death suit is a different issue with some possibility of prevailing.

Congress needs to start another scandal rumor so the media can let the Zimmerman Martin case become history. The jury dealt with a very difficult issue and all six concluded the state had not proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt. The fat female prosecutor was easy not to like which was to Zimmerman's advantage.

July 15, 2013 at 11:43 p.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "He shot him once from on his back.... I would have considered it murder if he had "unloaded on Trayvon"."

That is an excellent point. You are the first person to offer something that has made me pause and think about this from an alternative perspective.

"But as a carry permit holder, I learned to stop the threat, not to kill. The fact he died is tragic. Zimmerman shot him to stop the banging of his cranium."

He had two very minor lacerations on his scalp. Not even a hint of any concussion that would surely have occurred had he had his head repeatedly slammed on a sidewalk.

George Zimmerman embellished that as part of his story that he feared his life was in danger.

July 15, 2013 at 11:50 p.m.
alprova said...

JT wrote: "Al when you write something like that it completely proves that you have no idea what you are talking about."

Oh no missy, you're totally wrong about this one.

Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law was instituted in 2005. Standard jury instructions were changed in 2006 to reflect that and the Castle Doctrine.

http://selfdefenseflorida.com/downloads/JI_5-25-2006.pdf

"Stand your ground is not heard in court before a jury."

But my dear, self defense law DID change in Florida and the instructions to the jury also changed in cases where self-defense is claimed.

"It is a pretrial immunity hearing that the defense requests the judge to rule on and if he/she does so in the affirmative the defendant is set free."

I did not claim that "Stand your ground" was so much as offered as a defense in this case.

July 16, 2013 at midnight
fairmon said...

alprova said..

George Zimmerman embellished that as part of his story that he feared his life was in danger.

You may be right. But, if someone is sitting straddle of you and banging your head against a concrete sidewalk you may "perceive" you are about to experience serious bodily harm. IF, that is what happened, I don't know. One witness that appeared to be credible did say Martin was on top of Zimmerman. I don't pretend to know the truth and as I have said, I didn't care what the jury concluded and still don't. It is unfortunate but I really can't generate any sympathy for either of them.

July 16, 2013 at 12:05 a.m.
facyspacy said...

If I gave you some lacerations on your head, how would you react?

July 16, 2013 at 12:15 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "You may be right. But, if someone is sitting straddle of you and banging your head against a concrete sidewalk you may "perceive" you are about to experience serious bodily harm."

As I posted yesterday, George Zimmerman claimed in interviews with the police that Trayvon attempted to smother him with his hands. When photos were taken, Zimmerman's face was bloody as heck.

No evidence was found of blood or an ounce of Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvons's hands that would begin to substantiate that claim.

How the heck would he have grabbed Zimmerman's head, bang it up and down without a speck of DNA not being found on Trayvon's hands?

Zimmerman made up a great deal of stuff to justify him firing that gun into Tryvon's chest. Of that, I have no doubt.

"IF, that is what happened, I don't know. One witness that appeared to be credible did say Martin was on top of Zimmerman."

I've given that a lot of thought. What if Trayvon was on top, saw that Zimmerman was going for his gun, and Trayvon the one hollering for help because he realized that Zimmerman was going to use it?

In the 911 tape, the screaming for help stopped IMMEDIATELY when the shot rang out. Instantaneously. If Zimmerman had been the one screaming, it would be natural for the screaming to wind down from it's crescendo.

"I don't pretend to know the truth and as I have said, I didn't care what the jury concluded and still don't. It is unfortunate but I really can't generate any sympathy for either of them."

I suppose I can understand that. I've met many people over the past couple of weeks who were totally clueless to the trial and had not even heard of it, or who simply did not care.

I've been wrapped up in it, like a lot of people, since the day after it happened, when I first read about it.

July 16, 2013 at 12:21 a.m.
alprova said...

facyspacy wrote: "If I gave you some lacerations on your head, how would you react?"

I'm a whole different species of human being.

1.) I don't go looking for trouble. I would never have placed myself within fighting distance of someone I suspect of being up to no good.

2.) I haven't traded blows with another person since I was in the fifth grade.

3.) I too conceal and carry, but I never consider my weapon to be anything but a weapon of defense. I would never use it to boost my bravado, as Zimmerman did.

But to answer your question, if we were involved in fisticuffs, how would I know what the damages were, until it was over?

The other day, I had a tree fall at my place of business. In the aftermath of cutting it up and piling it up for the city to pick it up, I got three cuts on my leg.

I went into the office and wiped the blood off with a couple of alcohol pads, bandaged it, and then I went out and shot what was left of the tree.

Seriously, despite any legality for George Zimmerman to do what he did, had he not attempted to keep up with Trayvon's trek, Trayvon would have went home, and Zimmerman would have cussed because the criminal he thought he was worried about would have got away.

July 16, 2013 at 12:37 a.m.
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