published Wednesday, August 19th, 2009

Anger, accusations fly at NAACP meeting

by Jacqueline Koch
Audio clip

Jerri Weary

What started as a relatively calm NAACP meeting Tuesday ended with angry accusations of police cover-ups, passionate cries of racism, hostile questions to authorities and outright skepticism at police statements about recent officer-involved shootings.

At one point, Chattanooga resident Eziekel Jones asked Chattanooga Police Department spokeswoman Sgt. Jerri Weary how she, as a Christian, could work as a lying mouthpiece for the department.

Sgt. Weary responded by yelling, pointing fingers and crying and had to be restrained by a fellow officer.

"It seems like the answers the police give are scripted," Mr. Jones said after the meeting. "I was appalled that (Sgt. Weary) got as upset as she did, shaking and even tears. It frightens me what can happen (with officers) out in the field."

After the meeting, Sgt. Weary said she anticipated an emotional crowd and personally came to answer whatever questions she could about the investigations into the shooting deaths of Alonzo O'Kelley Jr., 15, who was shot in the back by a Chattanooga Housing Authority officer July 1, and Alonzo Heyward, 32, who had 43 bullet wounds after being shot at by six Chattanooga officers on July 18.

"It has nothing to do with my faith," Sgt. Weary said. "It has everything to do with my position as a public information officer in providing the information available to me to the community."

For more than an hour, more than 200 residents, including Chattanooga City Councilmen Peter Murphy and AndraƩ McGary, gathered in the Glenwood Recreation Center, listening to residents' complaints, opinions and anger. Chattanooga Housing Authority representatives were not in attendance.

2009 officer-involved shootings

March 14 -- Randy Crisp, 43, Meigs County

June 24 -- John Curtis Coates, 34, shot by Walker County deputy in Fort Oglethorpe, Ga.

July 1 -- Alonzo O'Kelley Jr., 15, shot by Chattanooga Housing Authority officer in Chattanooga

July 18 -- Alonzo Heyward, 32, shot by Chattanooga officers in Chattanooga

Aug. 8 -- Richard LaMark Dunn, 21, shot by East Ridge officers in East Ridge

NAACP investigation

Local chapter President Valoria Armstrong said NAACP members await information as authorities continue the investigations into the police shootings. She said NAACP members met with Chattanooga Housing Authority Police Chief Felix Vess and Chattanooga Police Department Chief Freeman Cooper and were assured they would receive information regarding the shootings. The NAACP also announced its new rapid report system, which allows people to report any police brutality they experience or witness.

"We may not be able to answer all your questions tonight," said Valoria Armstrong, president of the local chapter of the NAACP. "But we want you to have a venue in which your concerns are heard."

In another recent shooting, Richard LaMark Dunn was shot twice in the back by East Ridge police on Aug. 8. While his mother and other family members were at the meeting, East Ridge police were not.

But after the NAACP-hosted meeting, many said they don't expect much to change.

"It's past time for a change," the Rev. Dwight Harrison from Mount Canaan Baptist Church said during the meeting. "(Mr. Heyward) wasn't killed. He was murdered. And it's an insult for you all to tell us that it took more than five bullets to bring the threat down."

Chattanooga resident Wayne Ammons said some in the black community fear police will target them next. He thinks racism "without a doubt" played a role in the shootings.

"I don't think that what happened (with Mr. Heyward) was justified," Mr. Ammons said. "You don't even shoot an animal 43 times."

Holding a sign that read "The largest gang in Chattanooga is the CPD," Chattanooga resident Kevin James said he wants to see police brutality end in black neighborhoods, but knows that violence within neighborhoods needs to end, too.

"We need to put an end to the police brutality that has taken over black neighborhoods," Mr. James said. "(But) if we don't respect ourselves, nobody else is going to respect us."

The family of Mr. Dunn held and distributed posters featuring Mr. Dunn's picture.

"How could you not come?" asked Mr. Dunn's mother, Christine. "Why should we have to defend who Mark is and why he was shot?"

Family members said they want to see the officers who shot Mr. Dunn tried in court the same way a murderer would.

"The officer that shot him is more of a criminal than my brother ever will be," Brandon Dunn said.

Mr. Heyward's family sat near the front of the room, next to members of Mr. O'Kelley's family.

"It is very tragic that my son had to die like this," Mr. Heyward's father, James Marine, told the crowd. "I want his death to become a model for the police department and community to come together."

Many in the crowd snickered as Sgt. Weary explained that 43 bullet wounds on Mr. Heyward's body could be caused by less than 43 bullets since bullets sometimes enter the body and "ping pong" around, creating multiple wounds. They snickered again when she talked about how the officers perceived a threat on the porch on July 18.

Sgt. Weary also said the police department realizes that the families of those victims are hurting.

"But contrary to popular belief, police officers don't get up and walk out into the community with a loaded gun asking themselves, 'Who are we going to shoot today?'" Sgt. Weary said.

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Saito56 said...

"We need to put an end to the police brutality that has taken over black neighborhoods,"

How about the police stop responding to calls in "black neighborhoods" then there will be no more police brutality and racism.

Get behind the wheel of a patrol car and see what you have to deal with before you cast judgment. No I am not a cop.

August 19, 2009 at 6:22 a.m.
jmaccauley said...

Perhaps it's the non-compliance and aggressive acts from some of these "victims of brutality" that creates these unfortunate endings. If some of these family members and community leaders would show some of the same outrage at their wayward children, some could actually become responsible citizens rather than have confrontations with the police.

Blaming every incident on racism is convenient, but doesn't fly.

August 19, 2009 at 7:46 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Amen...Saito56 & jmaccauley!!!

August 19, 2009 at 7:58 a.m.
rolando said...

What? A "townhall" type meeting of Democrats that turned into a screaming and shouting match from the floor? And here I thought it was only TEA Party or conservatives who did that. Imagine that.

Funny how the media reports these kinds of things...

August 19, 2009 at 8:01 a.m.
bell_fighter said...

If you were actually at the meeting you would have seen blacks and whites so ALL of this is not just a racism thing it is a brutality THING.You could call peoples children wayward all you want BUT in these incedents what if your CHILD met the same ending then would you be calling your child wayward?I bet not know ALL YOUR FACTS before you post comments about these peoples DEAD children and pray you or your family members do not meet the same fate because of someones terrible agenda against your color,poverty level or social status.Im going to pray for all of you to HAVE A HEART and take the time to know the facts before you JUDGE.

August 19, 2009 at 8:11 a.m.
captainrt said...

I notice that the NAACP never shows up until after the fact. If you build your house at the foot of an active volcano and wake up to find lava in your living room, don't expect too much sympathy. Perhaps they need to spend more time in these neighborhoods trying to stop gang violence and redirect a few people away from bad lifestyles. The Chattanooga Police Department could begin by hiring more qualified people rather than those that simply fit in and abide by the good-old boy, look the other way political style of thinking. Both have good people representing them, but they are not good copy for the media.

August 19, 2009 at 8:30 a.m.
norolis said...

Its just the race industry creating the usual chaos because the criminal who was shot (criminal record is available to the public, and its rather long) while pointing a gun at the police happened to be black.

I keep seeing a reference to how many times this guy was shot. This does not matter, one shot or 1000, he is still just as equally dead. This is a distraction from the real issue -- some sort of undefinable claim that shooting a man once is ok, twice is ok, but there is no defined limit as to when it becomes "brutality". Is it 10 shots? 25? 100? I would be more concerned that he was missed nearly 1/5 times, sounds like they need to go hit the range and work on marksmanship.

I also keep hearing the word child thrown around. This child had a rife, and pointed it at the police. This child had a criminal record. This was no "child", no innocent little 4 year old. The criminal here was 15, old enough to know right from wrong, old enough to get his hands on a gun, and old enough to point that gun at the police. Old enough to commit murder, we have seen this time and again how teens can shoot up a school, or their parents, or whoever else.

As for the race card, its total BS. I can assure you, if I grab one of my rifles and go point it at the police, it will end just as badly for me, and I am white. You want to see racism, its in these community leaders. The same sort of folks who spent a month trying to make a case for racism in the arrest of that thug professor Gates, the assumption was that the cops were racist because the suspect was black. They combed the 911 call looking for racial slurs. They browbeat the cops and insulted them repeatedly. All to find that the police were doing their job and the suspect was doing something questionable (not breaking the law in gate's case, but still questionable).

I fully support the police in this matter, they acted in self defense and very likely removed a threat to the community before he was able to kill someone. An armed, historically unstable threat with a record of law breaking and access to firearms.

August 19, 2009 at 8:52 a.m.
David2020 said...

WOW--all you cops, with all that shooting practice at the tax payers expense and you still can not shoot stright---what a joke.

Seriously--you need to be fired and arrested for recklessness.

And stop this crap like boo hoo, our job is so difficult. How much do you make for not having to go to college? The trash truck driver has a more dangerous job.

August 19, 2009 at 9:34 a.m.
moonpie said...

Please excuse me if I don't shed a tear for Richard LaMark Dunn. I understand a family's unconditional love, but I don't think a person fleeing the police in a stolen car who endangers the lives of our citizens should expect anything but what he got. In my book, he's lucky if he goes to jail.

As for the others, I agree with an earlier post... you carry a weapon and don't comply with police officers commands you are at grave risk of having your actions misinterpreted. People say these guys were not a threat to the police officers. An armed, non-compliant suspect/individual is threatening in itself.

And Sgt. Weary, get ahold of yourself. This is not about you no matter how people try to twist it. You need to be more professional or get a new position.

August 19, 2009 at 9:35 a.m.
ladyvolz said...

Shame on everyone at that meeting.

"Many in the crowd snickered as Sgt. Weary explained that 43 bullet wounds on Mr. Heyward's body could be caused by less than 43 bullets since bullets sometimes enter the body and "ping pong" around, creating multiple wounds. They snickered again when she talked about how the officers perceived a threat on the porch on July 18"

Show some respect and then maybe respect will be shown to you. And quit pulling the race card every time something happens. It's getting a little old. You came out of this meeting looking like a bunch of thugs.

August 19, 2009 at 9:36 a.m.
patriot said...

Thomas Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be fertilized from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots." In this situation the police are the tyrants. I'm a white, gunowner, and conservative libertarian from Eastern NC. I'm frustrated by this story because police recently murdered an unarmed, white, teenager while executing an arrest warrent at his house. They shot him through his front door with a machine gun after knocking in the (unlocked) door with a battering ram. The deputy, Christopher Long, who shot him said he thought the tv control he was holding was a gun. They were arresting him because he had allegedly stolen a Play Station Three. New Hanover Co. NC settled with his family for 4.25 Million. It is hard to have any respect for cops anywhere now because most of them act more like PUNKS at a gangmeeting when they get together than professional officers. And the more cops there are the worst they act. Indian, even when a person obeys the law, if they are black or a teenager most of the cops are still going to punk on them.

August 19, 2009 at 11:13 a.m.
norolis said...

I cannot see how the two cases are vaguely related. One kid had a remote and was in his home, and the officers were clearly in the wrong (although, never, ever point anything at all at an officer, raise your hands or lower them, drop what you are holding, and assume a non-threating posture immediately). In the other case, the kid had a rife, was outside with it, and pointed it at an officer (although this is not confirmed, I take the word of the officers over the word of his parents who were not even there to witness it).

How can you relate the two in any way? How can you say that because one officer is bad, they all are? I totally agree that some of them need to be taken off the street, but many, many officers are doing their job and making the world a better place, and to insult all for the actions of a few is just as wrong as racism, its the same thing really (lumping everyone into a negative category without any real basis for it).

August 19, 2009 at 11:35 a.m.
bell_fighter said...

Here we go again with IGNORANCE.First of all in both cases it is SPECULATED that Alonzo Heyward and Alonzo Okelly pointed guns at these officers.None of you were there,none of you have personally spoken to the witnesses so please with this crap about both of them should't have had a gun.I have guns also,i feel if i don't point it at you you shouldn't be pointing at me.It has not been PROVEN that either one pointed their weapons at the officers involved.Indian if you are so mad about what was said at the NAACP meeting you should have been there instead of HIDING behing MEAN UGLY comments.Ladyvolz people can express how they feel any way they want,the only THUG was your train of thought.To every one that feel black people always pull the race card THEN YOU COME TO OUR NIGHBORHOOD AND ADDRESS US FACE TO FACE SO WE CAN TALK.DO NOT FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD HIDE BEHIND YOUR MEAN COMMENTS GET THE FACTS!

August 19, 2009 at 1:02 p.m.
patriot said...

Norolis look, these situations, post mortem, all turn out the same. The police will not answer questions for several weeks while they "investigate." this is their way of getting their story straight, and this is what the New Hanover County Swat Team did after they murdered the teenager, Peyton Strickland. And I don't know what you read into my former, but he didn't point the tv remote at the deputy, as he was going to answer the door he saw the cops and was backing up when the cop shot him through the window in the head, and then in the shoulder. I only read the story about the crazy guy that was shot by six cops. According to the storys I read, he never pointed the gun at him and had actually been tased when they started shooting. Of course he can't defend himself now because he's dead. Talk about depriving someone of their constitutional rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, but most cops don't know the Bill of Rights from their rear ends. The worst of all is they seem to be really bad shots as well. Thats why they're cops and not Seals or Marines, who are against people that are actually shooting back. Like I wrote before, more like punks at a gang meeting.

August 19, 2009 at 1:04 p.m.
reverendD said...

The meeting that took place last night was a gathering of people from all races who are hurting, angry, disillusioned, looking for justice, etc...we as GOD'S creation is experiencing a lot of turmoil and chaos that has resulted in what we are dealing with at the present time. Many of us who attended the meeting, assumed we were going to be privy of any or at least part of the investigation the N.A.A.C.P. had/has stated they had ascertained. At least this is what the assumptions are; the C.P.D has closed their investigation so what else outside of an independent investigation should we expect???? This is one of the reasons why so many of us are upset and shaking our heads in a state of stupor hoping that someone will provide some solid leadership in the Black community. We as a race of people must stop shifting blame and turning the other cheek of absolute responsibility in the Black community...we are to blame ourselves for overlooking the internal struggles of social welfare, promote education (and not just sex),develope a plan for "self-empowerment" throughout the community, become more involved and educated in the political sphere and the churches must leave the 4 walled-building and "become our brothers keeper" regardless of color. JESUS has already given the cure for the ailments we are facing...

August 19, 2009 at 1:13 p.m.
reverendD said...

Lastly, the word "murder" was used last night at the meeting. Fact: for a killing to be considered murder, there normally needs to be an element of intent. Common-law jurisdictions state, murder has two elements or parts: 1. the act (actus reus) of killing a person. 2. the state of mind (mens rae) of intentional, purposeful, malicious or premeditated. In closing, this is another wake-up call for one nation under GOD indivisible with liberty and justice not for some, but for ALL!!

August 19, 2009 at 1:22 p.m.
nowfedup said...

Six cops, 59 shots fired in three distinct blasts, There is NO proof and NO statement from cops he was pointing gun at cops, witness say otherwise. He was being suicidal NOT homicidal. The truth is the cops panicked, were not well trained and killed needlessly. The "police spokesperson" that attended meeting needs to be fired, now.. As she is, like it or not, all to representative of cops out of control. We also need to fire a lot of management in CPD as they are as responsible as the scared cops. As for those that say "YOU WILL OBEY" a cop exactly etc as they are the supreme beings and will kill to as CPD said, "To control the situation"...why does this sound like the cops in Iran after protesters.. or the mid 1900's in KKK ruled south? Detect more then a bit of racism, AKA GOG's talk (Good Ole Boy's) in a lot of the posts. But then TN is home of the KKK and they even invented a KKK officer rank called "Titans"... hmmm and TN football.. hmmmm and 59 45 cal shots fired and some reloaded, and you want them on our streets? Yep, "YOU must obey or we will shoot you to control the situation" on which page of the USA or TN Contitution?

August 19, 2009 at 1:57 p.m.
norolis said...

Norolis look, these situations, post mortem, all turn out the same. The police will not answer questions for several weeks while they "investigate." this is their way of getting their story straight, and this is what the New Hanover County Swat Team did after they murdered the teenager, Peyton Strickland. And I don't know what you read into my former, but he didn't point the tv remote at the deputy, as he was going to answer the door he saw the cops and was backing up when the cop shot him through the window in the head, and then in the shoulder. I only read the story about the crazy guy that was shot by six cops. According to the storys I read, he never pointed the gun at him and had actually been tased when they started shooting. Of course he can't defend himself now because he's dead. Talk about depriving someone of their constitutional rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, but most cops don't know the Bill of Rights from their rear ends. The worst of all is they seem to be really bad shots as well. Thats why they're cops and not Seals or Marines, who are against people that are actually shooting back. Like I wrote before, more like punks at a gang meeting.

The taser failed (unclear if it missed or what). There are various accounts as to if he did or did not point the gun at the cops. I was not there, and couldnt say. But a number of the folks saying he did not point it were also not there, yet their opinion is part of all the hoopla. There are a lot of stories over the past couple of weeks on this shooting. It says something that they tried the taser first though, right? They did not barge in guns blazing (as they seemed to in the other unfortunate event). This is just the best info I have from the 10 or so media coverings of this event, for whatever the media is worth in this day and age.

I am all for a neutral, third party investigation. At this point, its about all that makes sense. I am against the "trial in the press" of the officers and politically motivated groups throwing race cards and inflaming the community with unfounded nonsense about profiling, excessive force, and the like.

And thats all I am going to say, I don't want to monopolize the thread, I have already posted too much.

August 19, 2009 at 2:59 p.m.
patriot said...

Are all cops bad, I know a few that aren't. But I swear on the Bible that a good young man can go through Basic Law Enforcment, join the force, and somehow they turn him into someone that thinks everything he does is right, the general public is the enemy, and will trick, lie and do whatever to get a conviction. The way they act is the same way British Soldiers acted before the revoloution. If a cop murders a kid, give him a couple of days off with pay and put him back to work. If they can't keep from panicing, get another job that demands less. The DA should be run out of town for not seeking indictments against these guys, but instead they'll probably get promotions.

August 19, 2009 at 3:07 p.m.
enufisenuf said...

Patriot, that pretty much paraleels a politician mentality. I have live in Florida and in the tenessee are and the cops in Tenn are morons compared to an accredited professional police force in fla. THese jack boot thugs here do what they want and the citizen is retaliated against if they challenge it. The majority of the posts here are bullspit. THe blacks cause the crime and then whine then they pay the price. The liberal crybabies should clean up their own ranks before blaming on anyone else. THey will never inprove with their victim mentality.

August 19, 2009 at 3:35 p.m.
stevebody said...

I want to thank the Chattanooga Police Department for setting back the progress of what I've been doing ever since I moved from Tennessee to Seattle seventeen years ago: trying to convince Northwesterners that Southerners aren't stupid, delusional, racist jerks. I'm a 57-year-old white guy with a measured IQ of 197 and a pronounced Southern accent. I routinely get called stupid because of nothing more than that ignorant stereotype and I fight like heck to reverse people's opinions but then something like the statement from your Chief of Police, saying that the Alonzo Heyward incident proves that "...our people did what we trained them to do." Oh, really? You train them to shoot a man in THREE fusillades? You train your officers to shoot a man and then shoot his corpse for...what, practice? The videotape tells the whole story: a bunch of arrogant, irritated cops enjoying their big moment of Extreme Justice. And, of course, I get to hear all about how this will never be resolved in any way that resembles justice because, hey, it happened in the South, with white people shooting a black man. What am I supposed to tell the people who say that? That they're wrong? They're not wrong. "Chattanooga police spokeswoman Jerri Weary described the case as "suicide by cop." Sure. Why not? Just like WW2 Poland was "suicide by neighboring government". Alonzo Heyward made one grave error: he put himself in the path of police officers living and working in a sleepy little city in which they don't get much of a chance to do that thing which many, many police officers join the force to do in the first place: shoot somebody. Well, they're all back on the job, now, eh? Making Chattanooga a safer place...unless your skin happens to be black, brown, or some shade of yellow. And making the rest of the country even more certain that every bad thing they ever hear about the South is absolutely true.

"When we are trained to shoot, we are trained to shoot until we subdue the threat," said Lt. Kim Noorbergen, police spokeswoman. "We are not trained to shoot to kill, as many people think." Stupid doctrine, right there. WHO is it that evaluates, in the heat of the moment, when the threat is "subdued"? If his body twitches, just keep shooting? I'd say that first barrage was quite enough to incapacitate the person. What were the other two? Just fiddlin' around?

Congratulations, officers Bacha, Dennison, Moody, Romero, Salyers and Wood. You got your John Wayne moment. See how many showers it takes to get all the blood off. I bet it never really goes away.

August 19, 2009 at 4:47 p.m.
bell_fighter said...

Enufisenuf learn how to write before you insult.Second BLACKS are not the only ones commiting crimes in this city,crime has NO COLOR.I said this once and i will say it again IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BLACK PEOPLE COME IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND SPEAK TO US FACE TO FACE STOP HIDING YOUR DISTASTE FOR US,BE REAL MEN AND WOMEN AND SAY WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND.This is not A RACE ISSUE THIS IS A HUMAN BEING ISSUE,COWARDS HIDE THEIR TRUE FEELNGS,MEN AND WOMEN RESOLVE THEM.I will pray for all of you that have no sympathy for human LIFE.Remember this WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND.

August 19, 2009 at 5:05 p.m.
FreedomJournal said...

Editors Note: Are White racists the only people to blame for Police Brutality? Will a battered woman only blame her husband? Black people have not caused White racism it is for sure. However, do we have any responsibility, and do we contribute to the on-going Black Holocaust? Peace, Carl A. Patton, FreedomJournal


The FreedomJournal has an on-going responsibility to make an analysis of the Black Experience. Police abuse of authority is a very serous problem facing the Black community. Historically law enforcement agencies in America had an initial impact on Blacks as non-citizens. Therefore, the record of abuse and mis-conduct by law enforcement agencies regarding Blacks became a living reality during the period when Blacks were held as slaves.

Thus the written and unwritten slave laws (slave codes, etc.) were enforced by the police and their various agencies. With the coming of freedom in 1865 the written laws no longer existed, but the unwritten laws were still intact throughout the South and across America. Thus, an attitude of coercion and abuse still existed.

When America entered the last century we started to see evidences of organized efforts to advocate for Human Rights for the former slaves. Although laws had been made to give Blacks citizenship etc. they still suffered from the lack of Civil and Human Rights. Meanwhile, the distinction between Blacks and Whites by law enforcement agencies continued. In the South the Black community has suffered the most regarding unfair treatment of Black citizens by the law enforcement agencies.

However, with the organized efforts of the Civil Right Movement during the 1960s some changes began to take place. For example in Chattanooga, Tennessee and throughout the South a significant number of Blacks were actively recruited for jobs as police officers. What has been the impact of Black officers? Also, what has been the impact of Blacks within the leadership ranks of police departments? Have all Black officers responded toward their Black brothers and sisters worse or just as bad as their White counterparts?

Meanwhile we see a serious problem across this land and throughout the nation. Men and women have lost sight of compassion for other human beings. For the record we do not come to place the blame for the senseless killings of innocent people on any group of people. Our task is to bring more clarity to this problem so that sensible people can come together for a solution.

From our vantage point we see hatred stemming from the racists' mentality of many who are a part of law enforcement agencies. This racist's mentality is also a fabric of our society and penetrates every agency and institution in our society. Therefore those that are in positions to make judgments etc. justify most cases of police abuse.

August 19, 2009 at 5:50 p.m.
FreedomJournal said...

Part 2:Black & White Responsibility

Also there is hatred stemming from those that are victims and the communities from which they come. Hatred, fear, despair and hopelessness is a natural reaction to historic abuse and murder. Surely we do not seek to belittle the grief suffered by those who have lost loved ones due to the abuse of authority committed by police agencies. However, you cannot find solutions in a fit of anger and hatred.

Therefore, what is the logical approach toward finding solutions to these problems? We argue that the Black community has the most important responsibility in solving this problem. First the entire situation in a historic sense needs evaluation and review. Secondly there is a need to review the attitude of the victims and assailants. The third consideration is Black leadership. Earlier we noted that by 1900 we began to see the coming of local and national Civil and Human Rights organizations. What is the role of these organizations? We believe for certain that Black leaders are a key factor in the solution of the many problems surrounding police abuse of authority.

For the sake of analysis and understanding the FreedomJournal recalls the following story related to the Black Experience: "Once not to long ago there was a community located in North America. In this community was found the basic institutions known to man. The family was represented, and so was the school and the church. The historical origins of these people noted that their ancestors had been held in bondage. This legacy affected the family their schools and churches. Organizations arose to advocate for Human and Civil Rights for these people. However, although the people in this community had made extensive contributions they were still abused. As a free labor source the people of this community made crucial contributions that enabled America to become the most powerful country in the history of all of mankind. Meanwhile instead of thanks, gratitude and compassion the system of exploitation was refined to continue after they were emancipated. Thus many people came from groups that had previously exploited these people to allegedly help them establish Civil and Human Rights Organizations. This was the time when they defined Liberals as those who were interested in Black people having equal rights and/or citizenship rights. Also, as Liberals these people claimed to be their friends. Meanwhile, many problems still exist in this community. Also, a general trend still exists. When ever a problem arises the blame is always exclusively placed on the racists and the people outside this community.

August 19, 2009 at 5:52 p.m.
FreedomJournal said...

Part 3: Black & White Responsibility

Nevertheless, there was a man looking from outside this community. We heard this man say. Why don't those people consider the role or lack of Black leadership in solving their problems?"

It is for sure that Black people also must share some responsibility for Police Brutality. Black leadership for the most part has mis-lead the masses in the Black community. Many of these so-called Black leaders are merely Pimps of Oppression.

Again a particular history involves most Black Civil Rights organizations in America. A dependent organization cannot advocate for change. Black man, Black woman the institutions of America that continue to seek to deprive us of our basic freedoms will continue to do so because our power base is weakened by the lack of leadership.

Those that want to continue the ungodly aspects of abuse of power and authority will continue because they have bought off Black leaders. The only concessions found coming from these institutions are usually just appeasements for the on-going con game played on the Black masses.

Therefore, The FreedomJournal reveals that on "The scale of compassion," "The scale of Freedom, Justice and Equality," the racists and the charlatans disguised as Black leaders are all weighed equally.

Carl A. Patton, FreedomJournal

August 19, 2009 at 5:53 p.m.
enufisenuf said...

bell fighter you sniveling dirtbag, the problem with coming into your neightbor hood is it won't change your stupidity and you all can only gang fight 20 to one, something to do with the jungle I guess. It is a race issue anytime the NAACP, jessie jerkson or al slapton opens their mouth. Go to school and learn the truth, not you I didn't do it mentality you are taught form birth. Racial studies and profiling are based on fact. I hope you read this before the speech police pull it beacuse thin skinned dummies like you can't handle blame. HAHAHAHA

August 19, 2009 at 5:55 p.m.
moonpie said...

Clearly much of the pain felt at last night's meeting is spilling into these comments.

I don't know if the police were justified in shooting Mr. Heyword. I wasn't there. I know it's a risky situation to be holding a gun while being non-compliant. Was it suicide by cop or death by cop, I don't know. But it needs to be fully investigated.

I also am not in a position to know how well trained the officers were. Perhaps nowfedup has knowledge of this training that I lack.

I don't think sweeping condemnation of the black community or the white community is justified. I think there is enough lack of understanding on both fronts.

I think a lot of people assume race was a major issue in Mr. Heyword's death, as well as in Alonzo O'Kelley's case. Perhaps race was an issue, perhaps it wasn't. It is not wrong to question the police or our society. Saying race has nothing to do with it, does not mean race had nothing to do with it. Nor does saying these were acts of racism make them acts of racism. For a variety of reasons, black men are more likely to be gunned down by both black and white police officers. Fear of black people is not unique to white people. Fear of cops is not unique to black people.

Fear will lead to many poor decisions.

I do know this... we will not cross any divisions in our society by spewing hateful comments (no matter how justified they seem). Marginalizing, divisive comments do just that: marginalize and divide.

This community needs more understanding. We need to come together, rather than try to heighten our differences. We need to be open to each others perceptions.

August 19, 2009 at 5:55 p.m.
enufisenuf said...

MOONPIE, quit riding the fence, have the fotitude to make a decison one way or the other, your boring coments say nothing concrete

August 19, 2009 at 6:02 p.m.
FreedomJournal said...

Greetings Brethren, Our research over-time notes that the many problems confronted by the Black community in Chattanooga results from the lack of independent leadership. This is a problem we have written several thousand pages on. However much of our research is Censored and Banned. But the problems still exist.

Why is there no sincere and independent voice coming from the Black community?

Carl A. Patton, FreedomJournal Press>

moonpie said...


I'm not on the fence. I'm on the bridge.

A better question is why do you feel the need to judge so quickly?

It's easy to make snap decisions. It's comforting to assume you're right and not have to consider another point of view. If you have read my other posts on many topics, you'll see that I am not at all bashful about taking a side.

If you don't want to read my comments, you have the freedom to ignore them. I don't want you to be bored.

August 19, 2009 at 6:36 p.m.
enufisenuf said...

Moonpie, I also have the right to notice how thinskined you are as well as unaware of your position. Talk about thinking oneself right. Sometimes you can't see how you are at all without looking at yourself from the outside. I am at peace with my stand on things and do not waffle as you do. Cry on.

August 19, 2009 at 7:37 p.m.
vtg1955 said...

First of all my condolences to the surviving family members of the last three police shootings in the Chattanooga area.I am 54 years old. I grew up here in the 60's and 70's. This was an era racial tension was extremely high. That being said, as kids in class together and playing sports together, we never had a problem with each other. Remind you , this was, lets say, 1964 -1973. Very tough times in this country as far as racism is concerned. Sure there were problem kids,black and white. And it seems like it is still that way today, black and white problem adults. And I will say this,again my condolences for the Heyward Family and the two other families that are suffering their losses, but if Mr. Heyward turned a weapon in my direction, I would have shot at him until he dropped that weapon and was not a threat to me or anyone else in the area. As far as the 15 year old young man with a weapon,I am not sure. Something doesn't sound kosher yet. In East Ridge,a white man was shot in the back. The officers say he was trying to run over them. Still a lot of questions on this incident.Bottom line folks, life is short,sweet and precious. We need to try better to get along. Yes, there are problems in law enforcement here as well as all other cities,that need to be addressed.As I mentioned earlier about school and sports in the 60's and 70's,one of my best friends that I could call on for anything is black and lives in Atlanta. But he would be here no matter what I asked of him. I know I will be blasted from both black and white for this response, but I can take it as a 54 year old male of the human race. Thanks.

August 19, 2009 at 7:58 p.m.
moonpie said...

FreedomJournal, I had never heard of Carl Patton before you shared this. It's nice to see people within each community willing to be self-reflective and self-critical.

I think there are some big generalizations in the article, which may be true in certain cases.

However, I think the article points something out very well. Even when we try to do the right thing, even when we think we're doing right, our actions and our motives can fall prey to human imperfection.

I think the meeting last night would have been well served to have Carl Patton there. However, given the temperment of the crowd, he may not have been listened to.

August 19, 2009 at 9:03 p.m.
patriot said...

Go to youtube then copsoutofcontrol and see if everyone doesn't think this is a national problem. You can take my life, but you're not going to take my or my children's freedom.

August 19, 2009 at 9:09 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

moonpie wrote,

"Even when we try to do the right thing, even when we think we're doing right, our actions and our motives can fall prey to human imperfection."

Now moonpie, that's just too much enlightenment.

August 19, 2009 at 9:58 p.m.
moonpie said...

Scotty, you're probably right. It may even be false humility. I've been guilty of a lot of things, and I've been wrong about many things.

I know you'll always keep me humble and keep me thinking. Goodnight.

August 19, 2009 at 10:20 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Riot at Brainerd High School, shot fired...a 17 year old girl shot in her yard with other kids apparently nearby-Where is the NAACP addressing these problems?

August 19, 2009 at 10:30 p.m.
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