published Thursday, August 19th, 2010

Letters to the editor

Mosque will be terrorist monument

Regarding the monument to Muslim martyrs, New York City, N.Y. It is a monument to honor their dead heroes of 9/11. This so-called mosque will be a gathering place for all Muslim tourists from this country, and tourists from abroad, a must see, and place to worship, for those Muslim terrorists who murdered thousands of innocent people.

It is to be a monument to them, not a mosque.

They must think the American people, you and I, and all of the rest of us are just plain stupid. We allow our laws and our Constitution to used against us. It does not matter how outrageous the demands are ... we will finally give, just to be fair.

May God Help us. I do not know why He should, but I will ask Him one time: Help us God, we can’t seem to help ourselves.

JACK DRAPER

Ringgold, Ga.

Obama is worst president ever

Apologize to the whole world for America. Bow to foreign leaders. Interject yourself in a police matter between a black man and a white policeman, and say the police are stupid. Ignore the law when it comes to New Black Panther members standing outside a polling place carrying billy clubs. Endorse building a mosque 600 feet from ground zero in New York. Send a cleric who refuses to condemn Hamas on a trip to the Middle East on the U.S. taxpayers’ dime. Refuse to uphold the Constitution by not securing the borders, but sue Arizona when it tries to take steps to do what the federal government won’t. Bury us in debt and expand the federal government. Destroy our health care. Pay off your union buddies.

Tell me, America, is there still enough white guilt to re-elect this black socialist? The worst president this country has ever had, you bet! Let’s hope Americans will come to their senses and demand change.

ART CAPRARIO

Benton, Tenn.

Pray that Rice finds way back

Christians should love and pray for author Anne Rice. She lost her daughter to leukemia in 1972, buried her gay best friend, who died of AIDS in 1994, and in 2002 she buried her husband of 41 years. Her son is a gay rights activist whom she loves, even though the Bible says that homosexual activity is sinful. Right now she says she loves Christ but rejects Christianity. Pray that she will read her Bible more and realize that the Church is Christ’s Bride. With all her faults, Christ loves Her.

Rice writes: “In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life.”

She is confused about Christ. The Bible is true, and modern American culture is false. When confronted with the issues of homosexuality, feminism, birth control, politics and world-view, the Church must go to the Bible. Let’s pray that Anne Rice would realize that Jesus wants to bring all opinions under the authority of His Word.

DR. MARSHALL C.

ST. JOHN

Pastor, Wayside

Presbyterian Church

Signal Mountain

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crtsports said...

Dr. Marshall

Its people like you with this hate speech that makes this world so bad. Who cares what Ann Rice thinks and believes. Its up to her, not you. And the Bible is not true, its a work of fiction. And I would love to debate you any day of the week.

August 19, 2010 at 12:21 a.m.
crtsports said...

Jack,

So are all the Catholic Churches in Japan where the American terrorists hang out? I say we need to ban Catholic Churches in America because Tim McVeigh was a follower. Seriously, get a clue on what really happens and come outside once in a while!

August 19, 2010 at 12:24 a.m.
crtsports said...

Art,

I don't even know where to start on that one. If this President has your panties in this much of a wad, that's hilarious. My life has not changed one bit since we elected Obama and I harbor a great guess your's has not either.

Now I won't drop the racist word but your "white-guilt to ...." is just a very sad line. I can only imagine the household you live in.

August 19, 2010 at 12:28 a.m.
acerigger said...

I've often wondered,who picks which letters to publish,&why?

August 19, 2010 at 12:51 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Yes, Mr. Art Crapio, I remember pictures of little georgy bush holding hands with the Saudi King, (bear in mind, if you still have one, this was after 9/11 and we knew where these hijackers were from) tiptoeing through the bluebells there at his crawford pig sty -- you are aware that 16 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, no I'm sure you're not aware of a lot of facts. And don't give me anymore of your 'constitution' crap. Evidently, you've never laid eyes on the document yourself or you wouldn't be talking so ignorantly. And to the one yesterday complaining about people posting when he's still tucked safely in his beddy bye, some of us don't have the luxury of sitting at our computer all day -- we're busy trying to get our country back from these morons who know nothing of how and why this country was founded.

August 19, 2010 at 5:33 a.m.
Livn4life said...

To crtsports: truth seems to equal hate speech when it is disagreed with. Of course in our day, it depends on who is espousing the given truth. I have to wonder about your life. It allegedly has not changed since President Obama was elected. Well mine has because family, friends, and associates have had trouble finding jobs since that grand event. They were employed previously. I care about what others are going through, what they believe, what they think. You are free not to do so. So you claim "the Bible is not true, it's a work of fiction." I have to wonder what will happen to you when your life here is completed. That will one day occur. You are absolutely free to believe or not believe whatever you choose. Yet to hold that this life is all there is seems sad to me. I wish you well in life and perhaps at some point arriving at a place where you find faith brings possibilities beyond this life. It is a little unsettling to hear you deny a book which has brought far more good to the world than bad even though it gets a bad wrap when people misuse it. In my little faith world, there is One behind that book who will have a final say for us all when this life is complete. By the way, as a US citizen, you have a right to speak up, to bely anyone you choose. My only request is that you do it respectfully. Some on here spew such vehemence, I do wonder about them also.

August 19, 2010 at 8:02 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

We have a war of terrorism, not a war on Islam. Christians who value our constitution need to remember that. It is not my place or anyone else's to decide whose version of the supernatural is the RIGHT one. Terror is terror, regardless of what "reasons" the terrorists use to justify them. There has been evils committed in the name of all sorts of ideologies, including religions, philosophies, national identity, tribalism, race and economics.

Perhaps from some people's perspective building an islamic center a couple of blocks from the WTC site is insensitive. I find church signs that criticize people (including people who attend the "wrong" church) to be insensitive. But it is their right to do so. However, perhaps the presence of many different centers of faith near the WTC will remind us that there is no reasons to hate those that are different, and that we can all stand together in the face of extremists of all types.

Oh, by the way...Livn, just to make sure your know: an atheist does not believe in the afterlife (since there is absolutely NO evidence to suggest that there is an afterlife, and the notion defies all physical laws), so does not worry about having to account for one's lack of belief in life. It's an empty threat.

August 19, 2010 at 10:05 a.m.
crtsports said...

Livn: Why is it sad that I believe this is it? I am not going to discuss all of my convictions here on a message system but I will say this.

Man's greatest fear in life is the unknown. So "we" have created heaven and hell to comfort "us" with the greatest unknown of them all. Its basically a fairy tale. So I have a lot better tangible things in life to worry about than a fairy tale.

And in closing, when you kill an ant, a living being just like us, where does he go? Ant heaven? No, his life just ends, like ours.

August 19, 2010 at 10:21 a.m.
Musicman375 said...

Ikeithlu, have you read or heard of any of the studies done by physicists studying the possibility of the soul moving on to another deminsion after death? There are 11 demensions that we know of, even though we can only truly grasp three of them in any definite sense as mortals. Since quantum physics shows that, on the quantum level, light can act for itself without any predictable patterns, some physicists believe there could be something to the Bible's numerous references of God being the light of the world.

Science demands skepticism, and skeptics have often times been proven wrong, often times by themselves, over the centuries. Now that quantum physicists are learning more and more, many of them are beginning to change their views on the possibility of intellegent design, including Hawking.

August 19, 2010 at 11:33 a.m.
Sailorman said...

crtsports said"

"Man's greatest fear in life is the unknown. So "we" have created heaven and hell to comfort "us" with the greatest unknown of them all. Its basically a fairy tale."

Sounds pretty much spot on to me. Add to that, organized religions since day one have been a panacea to the masses used to control them. People have worshiped all sorts of nutty things always led by some authority figure. Whether the symbol was Ra, a corn cob, or a flaming sword, the end goal is the same: instill fear and thereby gain control.

All this fiction based on tales from thousands of years ago and there's been nothing since. Oh yeah we're waiting on the second coming.

I'm waiting on a winning lottery ticket. Then again, if I had the marketing talent of Joel O'Steen I wouldn't need it.

August 19, 2010 at 12:06 p.m.
tnmoman said...

If you like the way things are going in America right now. You would love living in Russia or China or Cuba. To the people who voted for Obama, please at least research the candidates to find out if they are for or against America before you vote. He is obviously against everything American.

August 19, 2010 at 12:56 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Sorry, Musicman. Until there is evidence, I am not believing. As far as Hawking and intelligent design (a biological "theory" pushed by our favorite neighborhood charlatans, the Discovery Institute) Hawking, although a brilliant mathematician and theoretical physicist, is not a biologist. As far as physicists believing stuff about the bible and light, belief is not evidence. I'll just wait. So far no one has produced even a smidgen of evidence for a soul, or the afterlife, or heaven, demons, angels, hell, miracles, etc.

August 19, 2010 at 1:20 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

To be a scientist, you surely are very closed minded. Are you that closed minded about scientific studies with no conclusive evidence when it is not intertwined with religion?

August 19, 2010 at 2:10 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

You are always asking the religious population for scientific evidence about religion and when I offered up something (granted no sources, but the work is out there) you still have no inclination to admit that there might be something out there you haven't agreed with in the past.

August 19, 2010 at 2:12 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Oh, tnmoron, you are so WRONG -- you're looking in the mirror when you spew your imaginable fears of our President. You are the ones that are spreading propaganda, hateful lies (and wearing your flag and carrying your bible, I'm sure) Those of us still tethered to reality out here know the evils the GOP brought upon this country, I was going to say the last 10 years, but it actually dates way back to your saint ronnie raygun. He brought in all these devisive issues into the political forefront -- you know, divide and conquer. Well that's the Repukes plan still today and they rely upon uneducated, uniformed and disintered Americans to do their evil deeds. You betcha' I know every fact I can get my hands on before I head to the polls.

August 19, 2010 at 3:12 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Pray that Rice finds way back

Christians should love and pray for author Anne Rice. She lost her daughter to leukemia in 1972, buried her gay best friend, who died of AIDS in 1994, and in 2002 she buried her husband of 41 years. Her son is a gay rights activist whom she loves, even though the Bible says that homosexual activity is sinful. Right now she says she loves Christ but rejects Christianity. Pray that she will read her Bible more and realize that the Church is Christ’s Bride. With all her faults, Christ loves Her.

Rice writes: “In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life.”

She is confused about Christ. The Bible is true, and modern American culture is false. When confronted with the issues of homosexuality, feminism, birth control, politics and world-view, the Church must go to the Bible. Let’s pray that Anne Rice would realize that Jesus wants to bring all opinions under the authority of His Word.

DR. MARSHALL C.


Well even the US Marshal Service has to say Amen on that letter.

August 19, 2010 at 4:06 p.m.
FM_33 said...

As far as Hawking and intelligent design Username: lkeithlu | On: August 19, 2010 at 1:20 p.m.


LoL.....hey Ikeithlu i thought that Dick Cheney was the the chicken hawk neo-con.

August 19, 2010 at 4:09 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Username: anniebelle | On: August 19, 2010 at 5:33 a.m.


Cool down honey don't let him get you that worked up. But i share your passion when talking to troll morons such as this.

August 19, 2010 at 4:12 p.m.
FM_33 said...

To be a scientist, you surely are very closed minded. Are you that closed minded about scientific studies with no conclusive evidence when it is not intertwined with religion? Username: Musicman375 | On: August 19, 2010 at 2:10 p.m.


Right on Musicman375 because to be a scientist one does have to shut him or her self off from the mainstream of thinking.

That's why i am not a scientist but a person of science. Most human beings in this world my friend most learn the science of Them self's before he can teach or apply it to anybody else's life.

I was once a science teacher but not a scientist do you see the difference ?

August 19, 2010 at 4:18 p.m.
tnmoman said...

Dearest Anniebelle, Keep your head in the sand until the Dems take all your freedom and most of your money. Your ignorance is second only to your stupidity. If you think the Dems and Obama care about you, you are sadly mistaken. You drank the koolaid and you are hopless. Like I said, you would love living in Russia or China or Cuba if you like the way things are going. Why don't you move there. Stupid people should not vote.

August 19, 2010 at 4:20 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Dr. Marshall

Its people like you with this hate speech that makes this world so bad. Who cares what Ann Rice thinks and believes. Its up to her, not you. And the Bible is not true, its a work of fiction. And I would love to debate you any day of the week. Username: crtsports | On: August 19, 2010 at 12:21 a.m.


If the bible is not true then you would not even exist in this physical world that see every day.

In judgement you will not only know for a fact that God is real but you will see that his holy word is final.

Weather Crtsports you believe that truth or not that is your business and your right as a human being with a free will to decide for your self where you wont to go when you leave this life into the next.

Amen

August 19, 2010 at 4:24 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

Ikeithlu, I was speaking of intellegent design from the Quantum Physics standpoint, not the biological standpoint. Thoretical Physicists such as Hawking have stated that the universe exists and works in such a way that it is farfetched to believe there wasn't some sort of intellegent design.

August 19, 2010 at 4:31 p.m.
acerigger said...

tnmoron,you mean freedom taken away like the repub's so-called "Patriot Act" which ripped our 4th amendment?

August 19, 2010 at 4:35 p.m.
tnmoman said...

I beleive the patriot act was passed with a democratic congress and senate.

August 19, 2010 at 4:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Musicman, the subject of origins of the universe is one area where some physicists see a place for the supernatural. Thanks for the correction on ID-certainly biologist Ken Miller sees the possibility of God in quantum mechanics.

I, however, do not believe. It isn't something anyone can change. Maybe there is a supernatural ("god" if you will) that started everything but I certainly don't believe in a personal god that knows what I think, do or feel (or gives a rat's behind) nor do I believe in an afterlife. I'm not saying that others shouldn't. Whatever brings them comfort and meaning in life is fine with me. But no one can tell me that I'm wrong, just like I can't say they are wrong. There is no evidence either way.

August 19, 2010 at 6:30 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Musicman, I have for many years pretty much believed as lkeithlu's post of August 19, 2010 at 6:30 p.m.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that there was an "intelligent design" to the universe. Why are we expected to believe that the entity that was behind this creation was "God", whose sole purpose for this creation was to have some company who would acknowledge his greatness? An entity who would instruct his believers to commit all forms of atrocities against people who did not "believe" in him. An entity who would punish people with eternal fire for their disbelief, while claiming his love for them.

Does this not sound more like man made propaganda to enrich a certain tribe of ancient people to ensure loyalty and justify their actions?

Does it not strike you as strange that so many religions or individuals have stated they were "divinely inspired" or received direct instruction from their "God"? (George Bush comes to mind).

What is your opinion on Joseph Smith and the Mormons? He too claimed divine inspiration and instruction from an angel of God?

As to "God being the light of the world" as per the Bible, the worship of light, mostly in the context of the Sun, has been a center of worship by many religions throughout history. Ra, the Egyptian sun god comes to mind. Its not surprising that ancient people worshiped the sun or "light" as a God since they had no understanding of what it was.

There is no proof, other than the writings of an ancient tribe of nomads, that "God" created the universe and watches over us on a daily basis. It might be what people would like to believe to give them comfort, but it should not be taken as truth.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Carl Sagan

On another note, I share your fascination with the concept of multiple realities or universes. I have read several articles on this subject. Strong stuff. http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/05/parallel-univer.html

August 19, 2010 at 9:58 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

Hotdig, I've spoken with many people who think and feel as you do, and I'm not trying to imply that anyone should believe what I do or be damned. No one on this planet has any physical proof of that, which is exactly why unless one of use has an epiphany of some sort we will continue to agree to disagree. For me it is all about the faith component. I've had some very good and bad times in my life, which when reflected upon, I honestly believe every word of the Bible is true, that God is very real and loves me, and I can feel the strong sense of contentment and joy that is promised in those words when I focus on living in Christ.

I still get discouraged, angry, sad, etc., as well as sinning and giving in to things I know are apart from God just like everyone (yes, it makes me feel shameful), but when I seek out that life of love and kindness towards people, and prevent myself from sinning out of these emotions, I end up recovering from the hard times more quickly. Perhaps this is why Canary thought I was just trying to suck up to her (him?) after a post of mine once.

I know it sounds generic and/or shallow to a skeptic, but that's okay. The only way anyone will know how I feel is if he/she experiences it for him/herself. Ikeithlu and I have had our share of religious debates and discussions alike, and I don't look down on her for her views, nor yours or anyone else's. It's just that when I open up my heart and believe and live that life, it really changes my outlook on life in many different ways. Sorry for the rant.

August 19, 2010 at 11 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

On a different note, I've often wondered what it would be like to be a fourth dimensional being who can look in on us from a completely different perspective. Similarly, if there were to be a life-form which only existed in two dimensions, it would never be able to understand exactly what a sphere or cube really looks like in the way that we can. Would a fourth dimensional being look at space-time the way we can examine a cube or a sphere... I guess what I mean is, could it see our ancient past and distant future all at the same time?

August 19, 2010 at 11:10 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

To add to what I said about the two dimensional being not experiencing three dimensional objects, I suppose they would only see those 3D things as straight lines or else what is seemingly a point as they pass through their plane?

August 19, 2010 at 11:15 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Musicman375- Thanks for your candor. I have been associated with many people such as yourself who are secure in their beliefs but have no need to persecute or condemn others who don't meet their litmus test of belief, or make statements that are wholly contrary to the teachings of the book they claim to follow.

Thanks for your reply.

August 20, 2010 at 12:31 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

What a nice exchange, you two. I appreciate what both of you have written.

August 20, 2010 at 8:28 a.m.
SavartiTN said...

Now I'm convinced that FM and dewey are married to each other.

August 20, 2010 at 5:11 p.m.
harrystatel said...

There are only two things in which the false professors of all religions have agreed; to persecute all other sects, and to plunder their own. Charles Caleb Colton, (1820)

Harry Statel

harrystatel.wordpress.com

August 20, 2010 at 5:52 p.m.
acerigger said...

The USA PATRIOT Act (commonly known as the "Patriot Act") is an Act of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 26, 2001.

August 20, 2010 at 5:53 p.m.
acerigger said...

The Act dramatically reduced restrictions on law enforcement agencies' ability to search telephone, e-mail communications, medical, financial, and other records;

August 20, 2010 at 5:55 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

A question about "Divine Protection"

August 20, 2010 at 6:04 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Dearest tnmoron, why is it that all you on the wrong-wing constantly look in the mirror and make these insane, idiotic claims. You like your cohorts are obviously unaware that we had an election in 2008 (not allowing the supremes to pick our next president). Obama/Biden won handily over that old codger McCain and that bigoted moron from Wasilla. Go check these facts, will ya? It is you who needs to move to Iran or Russia or North Korea where they do indeed appoint their rulers, just like they did with the shrub. And you might take a look at the constitution and the bill of rights while you're trying to find some pertinent facts and not just bs out of Beck's and Limbaugh's piehole.

August 21, 2010 at 6:07 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Oh, almost forgot, Tennesseans can be excused for their ignorance as I see they rank 37th in education in this country. I would love to see things from your point of view, but I'm not a contortionist -- I can't get my head that far up my behind.

August 21, 2010 at 6:41 a.m.
hambone said...

Building a universal place of worship for every known faith at ground zero would show the world that the American way of life can't be defeated.

August 21, 2010 at 7:46 a.m.
CarolinaGal said...

Refusing to see the sensitivities of the victims of 9.11 is the ultimate act of intolerance

August 27, 2010 at 9:36 p.m.
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