published Tuesday, August 24th, 2010

Letters to the editor

Recall effort raises a few questions

Concerning the big movement to recall Chattanooga Mayor Ron Littlefield — a few questions.

Why? Sure, he has proposed a pretty substantial property tax increase, but I think it is for improvements to the city that will boost our rankings among “desirable cities” according to The Daily Green Report or Industry Week, which have praised the city’s accomplishments regarding “livability.”

Question 2: Who is in line to be the replacement? After all the expense of a recall vote, and the campaign efforts which will have to be made, it all just seems like a big waste of time and money to me.

Question 3: Did everyone who has been trapped leaving the City–County Courts Building even vote in the mayoral election? Should they have any power to “recall” if they did not use their voice to “elect”? And, are they required to vote in any future election?

Question 4: Does this not set a precedent in our elective process — if your candidate does not win, just wait a couple of years and have a “recall vote” on anyone. Or shorten all terms of office to six weeks — if they haven’t worked miracles by then — take them out office!

PATTY COUNTS

Recall cost nothing compared to burden

In response to a letter that questions the cost of the recall efforts.

The letter writer’s rationale is that the cost for the recall will be a burden on the citizens of Chattanooga.

Do you think that the proposed annexation by Mayor Ron Littlefield will be profitable and increase the tax base of Chattanooga? Not in 20 years! Is Mr. Littlefield’s underhanded attempt to hide items in the budget from the City Council members something that a CEO could get away with in a major company? Water runoff fees increased, adding a burden to those on fixed incomes.

A city councilman telling citizens at a council meeting “We don’t have to listen to anybody.” This is the typical arrogant attitude of elected city officials.

Perhaps the cost of the recall is minute as compared with what it will cost the city of Chattanooga to allow Mr. Littlefield and his “cronies” to “do as they please” for the next three years.

Stand up, America; stand up, Chattanooga; stand up, Hamilton County. We are giving our county away. Now is the time for recalls, to fight for your rights, and stop the professional politicians from creating a tax burden which will be with us for centuries to come.

JIM SHULL Hixson

Don’t allow mosque near ground zero

The controversy over the location of the Islamic Center near ground zero is not about religious freedom; it is about ideologies.

The World Trade Towers were attacked by Islamic fundamentalists, and that is a fact. They are bent upon destroying our country, and we should not allow them the symbolic victory of building a mosque so near to our fallen symbols.

Our president should not roll over as easily and quickly to Muslim pressure. He should feel first for American emotions (69 percent against the mosque) and negotiate with the rest of the world later. This mosque is not a house of worship being built by its members; it is a beachhead being built by outside money from those who would bury us and our way of life.

Would Saudi Arabia allow us to build a Baptist church in Riyadh? Would Egypt allow a Catholic church to be built in Cairo? Is Pakistan open to Americans building a Pentecostal church in Karachi?

Google The Costly Call by Emir Fethi Caner. Should we capitulate to our enemies and give in while they do not? Mr. Obama has already spoken out. Shame on him for not speaking up for America.

GERALD WHITELY

Some pedestrians can hinder cyclists

I have noted the discussion about the mix of bicycles and pedestrians on the greenway. The discussion has seemed to place the blame on “speeding cyclists.” Based on my observation there is more to it than that.

I encountered pedestrians walking four-abreast who would not give way with a polite “On Your Left” from the cyclist. They even gave me dirty looks when I dismounted and pushed the bike (through the grass) around them.

Then there were the mothers pushing strollers side by side who behaved in the same way. Even a single pedestrian who chooses to walk up the middle of the path and ignores or does not hear the cyclist’s warning can be a problem.

One letter writer noted that the bicycles approached silently. Perhaps the pedestrian could hear if their ears were not obstructed with electronic music.

It boils down to the fact that some people are selfish and believe that their own way of using this facility is more important than all others.

Banning any one class of users is not the answer. If the government were to do anything, perhaps a stripe down the center and a few “Keep Right Except Pass” signs might help.

JOHN L. ODOM

Follow the money for recall groups

Following the Chattanooga recall campaigns (and being invited to be part but declining), I have two questions that have yet to be answered by Times Free Press reporting:

1. Who is paying for the campaign, including for promotional materials and newspaper ads? Is any one of the three organizations involved dominant in this way?

2. Are the three organizations chartered in the state of Tennessee — that is, Chattanooga Tea Party, Citizens to Recall Mayor Littlefield, and Chattanooga Organized for Action — and if so, how?

From my own journalism background, it’s logical to me that how the money flows and how the organizations are structured will give we readers deeper insight to what’s behind the campaign other than the rhetoric and charges the campaign offers.

WES REHBERG

What if Congress rooted out lying?

It was with mixed emotions that I read that Roger Clemons had been indicted for “allegedly lying to Congress.”

On one hand, it is another sad day for sports and a reminder of a period a few years ago when stars did whatever was necessary to excel. Whatever happened to pitchers like Sandy Koufax and Nolan Ryan?

But the refreshing news is that a member of Congress has recognized lying. What a new dawn this could be for our country if leaders in Washington rooted out lying and liars. What would honest leadership look like? How many politicians would be gone? Why isn’t lying while in Congress a crime?

It makes us oldies remember the Andrews Sisters and their song, “But, I Can Dream Can’t I?”

JIMMY CAMPBELL

Column comments not fair discourse

I can handle an occasional silly commentary by Dick Morris; I just consider the source and move on. However, the column by Thomas Sowell just made me angry. I’m not going to rebut every point, but I will say this: Robert Gates did not cut the defense budget by $100 billion.

His proposed budget actually represented an annual increase; strategy was updated. What really got me, though, was the inference that Obama would compromise public safety based on his policies and background.

I have no problem with divergent points of view and the right of one to express them, but vitriolic rhetoric such as this is beyond fair adult political discourse.

There is a faction of the electorate that is willing to accept this far right nonsense if it appears in a legitimate publication; look no further than recent polls on Obama’s religion and other negative aspects of the current administration that are patently not true.

Surely the Chattanooga Free Press can do a better job of choosing columnists to make its conservative case.

REECE H. MOODY Ellijay, Ga.

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anniebelle said...

Mr. Moody, thanks for your comments on the trash published in this paper that is supposed to be somewhere near the truth at best. No, the TFP chooses to print the lies spewed by this wrong-winger Morris, but I find the most offensive is Uncle Tom Sowell, Walter Williams and those just like the tribal chieftans in Africa, sell their soul for a few bucks. Guess it's not worth much anyway. If we could just start at a conversation on this board that at least starts with facts instead of all these dreamed-up, ginned-up lies spewed forth by every wrong-winger that steps up to the mic at Faux Snooze.

August 24, 2010 at 7:28 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Gerald Whitely - Do you think that since the co owner of NewsCorp (Fox News) is funding the center, that they should also be not allowed in the country broadcasting?

"Would Saudi Arabia allow us to build a Baptist church in Riyadh? Would Egypt allow a Catholic church to be built in Cairo? Is Pakistan open to Americans building a Pentecostal church in Karachi?"

I doubt it... they don't have much option of the freedom to practice any willy nilly religion they wish or none at all.

Do you really want to lower our country to that standard?

August 24, 2010 at 8:02 a.m.
harrystatel said...

Mr. WES REHBERG writes:

"Follow the money for recall groups"

I agree. Who has the money? Citizen's groups of individuals or the government?

  1. "Who is paying for the campaign, including for promotional materials and newspaper ads? Is any one of the three organizations involved dominant in this way?"

I don't know, but I can promise there's fewer millionaires (if any) on the Recall side? The Recall group doesn't have keys to the treasury of taxpayer's money either.

  1. "Are the three organizations chartered in the state of Tennessee — that is, Chattanooga Tea Party, Citizens to Recall Mayor Littlefield, and Chattanooga Organized for Action — and if so, how?"

Chartered? You mean citizen's groups now must seek permission from the government, be approved by the government, and be under the heel of the government? Say, Mr. Rehberg,were you chartered by the government, did you get permission, did they approve your letter?

"From my own journalism background, it’s logical to me that how the money flows and how the organizations are structured will give we readers deeper insight to what’s behind the campaign other than the rhetoric and charges the campaign offers."

Great idea, Mr. Rehberg,you've hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what the individuals in these groups have been trying to get out of Chattanooga City government. Open books, government transparency, responsibility to be above suspicion, and how the money flows.

Mr. Rehberg, see if you can get your side to reveal their structure. I'll be expecting to see your Government Charter to have an opinion before you post again. Please keep your permission papers handy, with your Party Card, armband and brown shirts so the common-folk can recognize you and salute.

http://wp.me/p10KwY-aj

Harry Statel

harrystatel.wordpress.com

August 24, 2010 at 8:24 a.m.
bret said...

There are two Islamic mosques in Chattanooga. That hardly makes Chattanooga a symbol of some Muslim victory, does it?

August 24, 2010 at 10:18 a.m.
Love4America said...

If facts are what you want here are a couple. According to Muslim law: Born Muslim always a Muslim, Obama was. His father was Muslim therefore Obama is and always will be. The worst crime of a Muslim is to become Christian, worse than murder, Muslim parents can forgive you for murder, not for converting to another religion. He couldn't let his wife travel with him to any Muslim country because he follows Muslim law which forbids it. He stated in one of his books, if things got rough he would side with the Muslims. He bows to Muslim leaders because he wants them to know he follows Muslim law.

This is not anything informed American voters didn't know before the election. Regardless of the media covering up for him and his lies. Now I'm sure alot of his supporters feel ashamed for voting for him. Some don't care simply because they bought into the lies blindly. Alot are still are blind due to ignorance or stupidity. Some can't face the facts.

Maybe the Republicans aren't what you wanted, none are perfect. This time,could we at least elect someone who LOVES America and knows the reason why we have the best country on the planet and tries to keep it that way.

Instead he goes around apologizing and disrespecting America.

How can you defend that?

God bless America.

August 24, 2010 at 11:09 a.m.
MountainJoe said...

"Uncle Tom" Sowell and Walter Williams are the targets of your vitriol, anniebelle? They are two of very few columnists in the paper worth reading. Williams in particular hits the nail directly on the head with stunning regularity.

I guess we just can't have minority columnists who don't toe the liberal line and suck up to Democrats, can we? The real sell-outs in the minority community are shysters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who exploit race and poverty to line their own nests while keeping "their people" down.

I would vote for a Williams/Sowell ticket in a minute if they ran for President/VP. It's a shame one of them wasn't the first minority President, instead of Obama.

August 24, 2010 at 11:36 a.m.
acerigger said...

Mr. Whitely, President Obama did "stand up for America". Have you never read the Constitution of The United States,esp. amendment #1?

August 24, 2010 at 1:05 p.m.
acerigger said...

"He stated in one of his books, if things got rough he would side with the Muslims." Love4,not so!Had you read the book instead of hearing the "faux news" version you'd know this. But i must wonder,are you one of those whose mantra is "don't confuse me with the facts,my minds made up"?

August 24, 2010 at 1:12 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

ace, love4 is wrong on several counts, including the tripe about being "born Muslim". If you are born into a religion, why are evangelicals so hot to convert everyone?

August 24, 2010 at 1:51 p.m.
tnmoman said...

Love4 the exact quote is:“I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

That is what Barack Obama wrote in his book, “Audacity.”

August 24, 2010 at 2:43 p.m.
librul said...

Mr. Whitely, go crawl back under your rock.

Thankfully, America is not (yet) a theocracy and Christians do not (yet) control what can be said or done in our country.

Has anyone tried to block the construction of any Christian churches anywhere because of the heinous acts of any number of American Christian terrorists in recent years? No.

Were there Muslim Americans killed in the World Trade Center on 9/11? Yes.

So there is no reason for you or anyone else to have any objection to the construction of an Islamic Center anywhere because of the heinous acts of a group of Muslim terrorists.

Acerigger's question still stands.

August 24, 2010 at 3:06 p.m.
FM_33 said...
  1. Are the three organizations chartered in the state of Tennessee — that is, Chattanooga Tea Party, Citizens to Recall Mayor Littlefield, and Chattanooga Organized for Action — and if so, how?

Mr Odom that is the same question that i was trying to figure out as well. Thank you for this post and keep it up.

August 24, 2010 at 4:51 p.m.
FM_33 said...

There are two Islamic mosques in Chattanooga. That hardly makes Chattanooga a symbol of some Muslim victory, does it? Username: bret | On: August 24, 2010 at 10:18 a.m.


Be careful with that comment because one never knows what is under that turbin of there's.

August 24, 2010 at 4:52 p.m.
FM_33 said...

REECE H. MOODY Ellijay, Ga. ( In response to your point about Thomas Sowell )

Thomas Sowell is yet another reason why i would never be a GOP'er. He has for years stood up for there agenda and there party line crap and what does he get in return just to show you a point.

A lousy position in a college in which he can not take any of that intelligence that he has to do any thing of value for the American people.

That is the big shame of Mr.Sowell's legacy being the parrot in the GOP machine. A man who has the brains but does not know how to go out on his own and make a real impact with what he knows.

He might as well join the DNC and at least get some damn respect !

August 24, 2010 at 5:01 p.m.
mitchsnowman17 said...

re:librul or is it libral,who are these american christian terroist that is anew one on me?

August 24, 2010 at 7:47 p.m.
fairmon said...

Points to consider asout the recall which resulted from people being fed up with the excess confisaction of money from residents. In addition to increased property taxes: o Sewer, storm water, permits, inspections,license cost to name a few were also increased.

o Many city residents already face financial hardships. This makes it worse.

o No one is addressing the unnecessary spending and gross inefficiencies in city operations.

o The city owns businesses that pay no taxes or fees, unfairly competing with private businesses.

o Increased taxes have never spawned growth or attracted new business to a city. In fact the opposite is true.

o The average wage in Chattanooga is down by ~$1,000 per year, under employment and unemployment is high. Working people pay taxes. Reduce taxes, attract businesses to create jobs, economics 101.

This insensitive mayor and council could not add their qualifications and capability together and collectively equal one good manager with the ability to manage a business the size of city government. Observing how they manage one has to wonder if they could manage to make water run down hill.

A group of citizens exercising their legal right to recall an elected official are not yet required to be chartered. The fact that three groups reacted and adopted the same mission is a good indication many people recognize we are not in good hands with this leadership.

August 24, 2010 at 8:03 p.m.
hambone said...

I can't help but think if President Obama had come out dead set against building the mosque that the same people faulting him now would say he doesn't uphold the constitution. With the argument going on now over this mosque the American people are giving Al Quaida just what they want. I say build a mosque right at ground zero and prove to the world that the American way of life can't be defeated !!

August 24, 2010 at 10:04 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

Every catholic priest, preacher, religious leader, elder, etc, that has abused a child is a christain terrorist. As are the other religions

Every christain that has bombed, fired into abortion clinics, attempt to crash a car covered in gas into a womens clinic, bombed a federal building in Oklahoma.. crashed a plane into IRS building.

Across the seas christain terrorist activities are very prominent... a simple google search will bring them up.

One american christain terrorist was so adored by his fellows, they threw a re-enactment in 2007 of his murder of a doctor and his escort 13 years prior.. oh how the children cheered.

I'm surprised Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph haven't receive reenactments of their activities.. yet.

Fresh in my mind are christain militia terrorist that were plotting to kill police.

http://www.examiner.com/world-news-in-national/christian-militia-terrorists-u-s-charged-plot-against-police-officers

librul asked "Has anyone tried to block the construction of any Christian churches anywhere because of the heinous acts of any number of American Christian terrorists in recent years? No." Well they should...

August 24, 2010 at 10:53 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Its amazing that some of the most vociferous supporters of freedom of religion and adherence to the Constitution are so willing to toss these supposed beliefs out the window in regards to the building of the mosque in New York.

The hypocrisy is amazing, and some of the greatest objections come from Christians who decry that THEIR religion is under attack. In addition, many of the people who claim to be "strict Constitutionalists" have conveniently developed amnesia regarding the Constitution on this issue.

Case in point... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_republicans_constitutional_amendments

August 24, 2010 at 11:17 p.m.
mitchsnowman17 said...

re:librul these catholic priests are pedifils not terroists if you"ll check each one of these people were punished.While I don"t agree with murder That dr. did.Let"s examine your peaceful muslim religion:1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by a muslim,1972 at the Munich Olympics athletes were kidnapped & massacred by muslims,1979 the US embassy in iran was taken over by muslims,1983 the US marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by muslims,1985 the cruise ship Achillo Lauro was hijacked an American passenger was thrown overboard in his wheelchair,1985 TWA flight847 was hijacked in Athens an American was killed,1998 Pan Am flight 103 was bombed by muslims,1993 the world trade center was bombed for the 1st time by muslims,1998 the US embassies in Kenya &Tanzania were bombed by muslims,9/11/01 four airliners were hijacked:two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade center,one hit the pentagon the other was headed for the white House but thanks to some brave americans that plane crashed into a field short of its target,guess who the hijackers were,muslims:2002 theUS deployed troops to Afghanistan to combat terroists by muslims,2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnaped & murdered by muslims and don"t forget about 2010 Fort Hood,Texas 13 people were killed & 30 wounded by a muslim and you wonder why the people of New York do not want muslim mosque put next to ground zero.

August 25, 2010 at 11:59 a.m.
eeeeeek said...
August 25, 2010 at 12:10 p.m.
mitchsnowman17 said...

re:eeeeek: you left out one important word SUSPECT

August 25, 2010 at 2:15 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

mitchsnowman17-On: August 25, 2010 at 11:59 a.m.

Mitch I would hope you would look at our own record far as supporting terrorism. Many countries distrust us because of our past history of covert support and implementation of terrorist activities. Dialing up the rhetoric against peaceful Muslims only inflames the situation. Only a small minority of individuals in any religious group adopts the mindset of strict orthodoxy to their religion resulting in hate or persecution.

I had thought the George Bush mindset of divine inspiration to conduct his stated "crusade" against Muslims had been put to rest.

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads1.htm

August 26, 2010 at 3:41 p.m.
CarolinaGal said...

Perhaps they hate Thomas Sowell so much because what he says is true. His bona fides are sound. He has over a dozen books on economics and social issues, and he is a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institute. ANyone who has heard an interview recognized his intelligent answers as being far superior to the cheap attacks launch in counterpoint by the weak-minded.

August 27, 2010 at 9:31 p.m.
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