published Saturday, November 13th, 2010

Republic of Iraq

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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blackwater48 said...

Thanks, Clay, for your graphic depiction of George Bush's democratic ally in the Middle East.

November 13, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.
ffpete said...

Yeah maybe can create a distraction and we can forget what the current idiot is doing in Washington

November 13, 2010 at 12:49 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

(1) Bluntly--face facts--name one Muslim country that's well governed even by U.S. standards? Not one Christian country lives up to Jesus Christ, but Christian, trinitarian influence does tend to coincide with better governments. More Muslims want to move to Christendom, than Christians want to move to Muslim areas. Christians treat Muslims better than vice versa. So personally follow Jesus, and politically also follow Jesus, a rather libertarian and practical man, generous Himself rather than at the expense of others. Liberals of all parties, take a hint and repent.

(2) Old Arab joke updated: Allah made a hell, added flies and called it Iraq (original version "Mesopotamia;" same place.)

(3) Historically, the British cobbled "Iraq" together after World War One. (I may well be wrong about this, but I kind of think some called it "Churchill's folly"?) So Iraq is about 90 years old; its boundaries and arrangements are not sacred and eternal. And when the US was fourscore and seven years old, we were in the midst of, ah, severe political difficulties--a civil war/war between the states in which a million of the then 27 million Americans became military casualties.

(4) I presume Saddam Hussein is in Hell becausse he was no Christian, and that his execution was just inasmuch as he had murdered both Iraquis and foreigners (e.g. started wars with Iran and with Kuwait); but other Arab governments may stand worse than he on the Judgment Day in the particular matter of persecuting Christians. Saddam tolerated Christians better than some Muslim regimes.

So pray that the Iraqis become Christians and learn political sense: a small government that terrorizes evildoers and lets doers of good do whatever goods God calls them to. Pray the same for us.

November 13, 2010 at 3:30 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

I hope one day Andrew will find the one true savior Jack.

After all He built all of the houses.

November 13, 2010 at 6:52 a.m.
nucanuck said...

As usual our mock Christian poster misses by a mile.

Religion,any and all religion,is better left apart from good governance.

As to Iraq,it's creation by English cartographers has always been awkward. The three Muslim sects would,no doubt be better off seperated,but that is for them to decide.

The best thing the US can do is apologize and leave.

November 13, 2010 at 6:55 a.m.
hambone said...

This cartoon is a accurate discription of how Iraq has always been. Eventually we will see another dictator rise to power, it's just a matter of time.

November 13, 2010 at 7:45 a.m.
Francis said...

muslim sects didn't get along a thousand years ago and won't get along a thousand years from now. the united nations and u.s congress backed the invasion of iraq and the toppling of saddam hussein. saddam hussein or no saddam hussein, muslim sects will never get along. getting rid of hussein was the right thing to do. once again, the only opinion that matter is that of the iraqi people.

speaking of divided countries...the democrats/liberals, led by that great visionary, obama, are doing a great job of dividing this country....they love pitting one group against another. we're all americans..we should just be americans...not mexican americans, gay americans, italian am- ericans, african americans, american indians..etc..etc.

our flagpole would be even more wobbly and fractured if obama and liberals have their way....a mexican portion, an black portion, a gay portion..etc..

obama has come to divide..not strive to work together..our country is more polarized than ever.

about 3 or 4 months ago i saw a reporter interview a black man at a tea party rally...i think it was on utube...she asked him if he felt uncomfortable being the only black person at the rally. he laughed and said to her, no...they're americans, like me.

the media does it's damndest to perpeputate divisions in our society.

the democrat party is the home of factions..the republican party says they're not, but they pander to specific groups as well...bush did not act on the borders/illegal aliens because he didn't want to p.o. the "mexican american community"......

obama's and the democrats attempt to divide this country so they can gain from it is depicable.

class warfare, racial tension, etc..etc....letting voter intimidating black panthers skate in philly, siding with illegal aliens in arizona, attacking "the great unwashed middle" for being disgruntled and cling- ing to guns, god and religion....fueling class envy in order to gain from it politicaly ...what creepy approach.

November 13, 2010 at 8:15 a.m.
alprova said...

hambone wrote: "Eventually we will see another dictator rise to power, it's just a matter of time."

The United States put the one in there that they went in to depose, so that didn't work out so well.

And here we are now, eyeball deep in another attempt to form their Government for them.

November 13, 2010 at 8:27 a.m.
OllieH said...

I just heard that the policy on removing comments with links has been changed. Let's see if it's true-

November 13, 2010 at 10:27 a.m.
OllieH said...

I hadn't read the latter part of Thursday's cartoon. Apparently, the change in comments policy is old news. Sorry to repeat it, but I'm awfully glad the TFP reconsidered the policy.

I was also very glad to see that alprova decided to reconsider his decision. I've been commenting on Clay's cartoons for a long, long time and would really hate to see the departure of regulars like alprova, rolando or Clara.

This place just wouldn't be the same without any of them.

November 13, 2010 at 10:41 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

When was that pole never broken...? It's always depended on who has the power and "the Money" to buy loyalty!

November 13, 2010 at 11:22 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

alprova, I know the U.S. backed Saddam some in his war with Iran, but did we really put him in, or was siezing power his own idea? I read he died cursing the "Persians" (Iranians), not (or, more than??) the Americans.

"Religion,any and all religion,is better left apart from good governance"--nucanuck. Does that mean you'd vote for atheists Stalin or Kim Jong Il over George Bush? Does that mean you're fixing to move to some country run by atheists? As I'm sure I've posted here, it's terribly easy for Christians to mess up politics, the Bushes and Clintons and Obama all being examples (and not the worst examples, just current and local), but worldwide the (somewhat) Christian average is better than the atheist, pagan, and Muslim averages, and this goes up to Jesus Christ. "Fish rot from the head," but our Head don't rot.

And "separation of church and state" here means separation of Christians from our tax dollars. We want prayer in schools. Are we allowed to pull our dollars from schools that fail to teach prayer? No, our money is taken from us to teach a different religion.

November 13, 2010 at 11:41 a.m.
Dumbledore403 said...

On Andrew's points 2 and 3 I will have to agree, since my study of history bears that out.

But Andrew may I point out that the Liberals of the day(the Saducees) and the Conservatives of the day(the Pharisees) both got chewed out by Jesus for their actions. The Saducees got it a lot for rejecting miracles etc., while the Pharisees got it for making the poor jump through hoops and for the "better than you" attitude. And I know I am super simplifying and I apologize in advance. What I am hearing is a lot of "I am thankful God that you made me like I am, and not like this Liberal next to me", when we need to do more "Be merciful to me a sinner"

November 13, 2010 at 11:46 a.m.
Yano said...

The United States has no intention of allowing true democracy in Iraq, because we can't allow the Iraqis to have what they want:

The Shiites want to make Iraq a puppet state of our enemy, the Islamic Republic of Iran, which would alarm our Middle East allies from Saudi Arabia to Israel.

The Kurds want an independent Kurdistan, which would reignite civil war in our Nato ally Turkey as Kurds there would try to join the new Kurdistan.

The Sunnis want the old Saddam regime back.

There was a minority in Iraq that was liberal and western oriented and democratic. The war (our war) completely discredited them. Those that have been able to leave Iraq have done so.

The US's true political objective in Iraq has been to force all sides together in a pseudo-democracy in the delusional hope that suddenly democratic fever will break out and everyone will fall in love with each other, and with the invader and its values, and offer us lots of oil contracts to pay for the war. Really, that was the Bush strategy.

The best we can hope for in Iraq now is a strong government that is pragmatic enough to steer clear of dangerous alliances and ruthless enough to control terrorism and prevent anarchy. It will take a lot of pressure from the US to force such a government on "democratic" Iraq.

Maybe someday the social and political damage of our war will recede and true democracy can spring forth in that ancient land. For such a thing to happen, the Iraqis would have to ignore the examples of every US ally in the Middle East and steer their own course. The best thing we can do for the Iraqi people now is leave them alone.

November 13, 2010 at 11:54 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Andrew said "Are we allowed to pull our dollars from schools that fail to teach prayer? No, our money is taken from us to teach a different religion."

Since the only thing that matters to andrew is his bible, massmurdering god and it's bastard son. I'll refer to the dialoge of the character Jesus in that book (Mark 12:13-17).

You know, the part that ends "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Teaching prayer is the responsibility of the family leader, the church elders and private schools sanction by each respective dogma. Not in publicly funded schools, paid for by all of the people.

Those in school are very much allowed to pray. Not to lead others, who they know have no interest in it or to ostricise those because they refused to acknowledge their particular imaginary friend.

The father who farts in heaven, shallow and jealous be thy name. :-)

That's close to what I have said when forced to pray in elementary school.

I spent many mornings in the corner for that.

:-) Dissing christains since '69

November 13, 2010 at 12:18 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

:-D dissing the rest since 72 ;-)

November 13, 2010 at 12:28 p.m.
ffpete said...

WHAT A QUACK!!!! just because you believe differently than somebody doesn't mean you have to scoff at what they believe. something tells me you are a liberal. If that is the case.......where is your tolerance???? just wondering.

November 13, 2010 at 1:26 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

It's live and let live until someone wants to bring their version of the mass murderer that they worship into the picture.

Then I'm more than happy to mention how distasteful it is to worship characters who are killers that goes out of their way to knock up a little girl, and cowardly run away without giving the child the time of day until it's time to kill it.

I don't "believe" in something without facts, then that belief is actually acknowledgement of those facts. I'd prefer to think Pluto should still be considered a planet, but after scientific method has ruled it doesn't meet the qualifications, it isn't my position to petition the qualifications to be changed, as it isn't in my expertise.

Defend your baby killing god all you want.. it may be fictional.. it may turn out real. There is no proof now.

Want to prove it to everyone the power of your god? Have it cure cancer in all of it's kind.

godisimaginary dot com has the perfect way to prove it

"Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.

"..pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. "

I say nothing will happen. Because the stories are fiction. If they were fact according to those verses, the character Jesus would be a liar. Definitely not worth worshipping as a god, or a gods bastard son.

Would it be a big scary world without gods? It's pretty damn scary with people that believe in them.

November 13, 2010 at 2:09 p.m.
realityrox said...

If any of the gods of the holy books were real, I still wouldn't worship any of them. I think better of myself than to associate with genocidal maniacs.

That's why I avoid republicants too.

November 13, 2010 at 2:31 p.m.
LibDem said...

In my opinion, as democracies become more secular they better govern themselves. It all depends on how you define "well governed". If we start listing countries, we will work our way through the UN telephone directory with no conclusion. I don't recall Stalin or Kim Jong Il competing in the Republican primaries. Maybe there are other atheist from whom nucanuck could choose. Since we control the public school system, there must be at least 8 or 10 of us.

November 13, 2010 at 4:10 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Andrew said "Are we allowed to pull our dollars from schools that fail to teach prayer? No, our money is taken from us to teach a different religion."

What religion is that, pray tell?

November 13, 2010 at 5:01 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

All organized religions are driven by profit motive. If you believe in the Christian God you'd be better off staying home Sunday and reading your Bible.

For me, once I was old enough to decide for myself, trying to figure out which of the innumerable religions got it exactly right was a crap shoot.

If God is all powerful and almighty and knows what will happen and when, why do you Christians keep annoying him with your selfish prayers? Do you not believe God is omnipotent and all knowing?

If you really believe in God y'all should shut up and stop praying. It's got to be annoying for the Holy Father. There HE is going about the business of running the universe and ruling our lives, making sure everything works exactly as He has perfectly planned, but He keeps getting interrupted by all your sniveling and selfish prayers.

The night my father died in the hospital I overheard someone praying. They said something like, please God, let my mother live but if it's your plan that she come home to you tonight, well, thy will be done.

I thought, wow, I bet God was thrilled to drop everything to get THAT prayer.

I try to live by one principle: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

I fail more often than I am proud to admit, but I think the Golden Rule is something that each of us should embrace. The world would be a better place and each of us would be better people.

Besides, the Golden Rule doesn't ask for a ten percent tax, I mean tithe, to be a member.

November 13, 2010 at 6:09 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Hmmm. . . if things don't change, we might end up with a flagpole just like Clay's.

November 13, 2010 at 10:02 p.m.
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