published Tuesday, October 5th, 2010

D.C. march welcomes radicals

There are pitfalls in organizing a big rally in our nation’s capital, or anywhere else. One of those dangers is that uninvited radical groups or individuals may show up with their banners to seek media attention and mar the true purpose of the rally. Organizers cannot really be faulted when that happens.

But organizers of a large, pro-Democrat rally in Washington this past weekend warmly and openly welcomed radical groups to take part in their march.

The rally, called “One Nation Working Together,” did include a number of mainstream organizations. Those were liberal groups such as labor unions, the Sierra Club and the NAACP.

But also named on the organizers’ website as official endorsers of the march were lots of overtly radical organizations such as the Communist Party USA, the International Socialist Organization and the Democratic Socialists of America.

It is troubling that organizers proudly listed such organizations as official endorsers. The extremely bad judgment that shows should make the American people strongly question the political motives behind the so-called “One Nation Working Together” rally.

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whatever said...

Still scared of anything with the words "Communist" or "Socialist" in it?

October 5, 2010 at 12:14 a.m.
nucanuck said...

The USA needs to be looking for and listening to ideas from all corners,radical and otherwise. The old formulae are not working,we all know that. We need to open our minds to what is working around the world and be willing to try different things. We clearly do not have all the answers.

October 5, 2010 at 12:56 a.m.
whatever said...

Oh come on, what proud Americans (besides radicals like James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams) ever sought ides from around the world???

October 5, 2010 at 1:05 a.m.
acerigger said...

Weren't no radicals at Beck's tea party though were there?

October 5, 2010 at 10:25 a.m.
whatever said...

No, just persons of heightened passion.

October 5, 2010 at 10:36 a.m.
librul said...

The Free Press editorialists appear incapable of recognizing all of those armed, religionist neo-nazis with their wacky, offensive signs and slogans as 'radicals'.

Quite a few of the nations ranked higher than America in delivery of healthcare services, quality education and overall social harmony / quality of life are Socialist societies.

Capitalism is marked by comfort for the fortunate few and endless toil for the manipulated masses. Seeing the pitiful, under-educated tea party faithful rallying to protect a system that oppresses them and enriches their masters is a sad commentary on American life.

Thanks to our corporatist Supreme Court, we are already seeing millions of dollars being funneled into right wing political coffers - and we can't even learn who or what corporate front groups are providing them. Our sacred elecoral process has been fatally subverted putting the future of our democracy at risk.

Labeling people on the left side of the spectrum as 'radicals' and ignoring the radical right and its poisonous agenda is just more of the flawed "journalism" we have come to expect from the Free Press since its very inception.

October 5, 2010 at 10:45 a.m.
SCOTTYM said...

"The Free Press editorialists appear incapable of recognizing all of those armed, religionist neo-nazis with their wacky, offensive signs and slogans as 'radicals'."

The NAZI Party was a statist organization. Not exactly the average conservative's cup of "tea".

I suppose you got the "radical" part right as the idea of individual freedom, as expressed in the DOI, is quite radical in the context of history in which the masses have been enslaved by those in power.

"Quite a few of the nations ranked higher than America in delivery of healthcare services, quality education and overall social harmony / quality of life are Socialist societies."

Really, name one that is self supporting, i.e. can survive and provide modern standards of living without the protection and technological advances of their non-socialist neighbors.

"Capitalism is marked by comfort for the fortunate few and endless toil for the manipulated masses."

Sounds a lot more like the USSR, or Cuba, or North Korea. Maybe you aren't actually paying attention. Or maybe you're just brain-washed.

"Seeing the pitiful, under-educated tea party faithful rallying to protect a system that oppresses them and enriches their masters is a sad commentary on American life."

Actually, the polling indicates that "tea partiers" are, on average, MORE educated than the average liberal/progressive. I guess Olberman and Maddow forgot to tell you that little fact. P.S. Oppression is a hallmark of statists, that would be your side of the aisle.

"Thanks to our corporatist Supreme Court, we are already seeing millions of dollars being funneled into right wing political coffers - and we can't even learn who or what corporate front groups are providing them."

I guess the fact that unions, who force their workers to contribute funds which are then used to support far-left, anti-jobs candidates are OK though, right?

"poisonous agenda"

Yes, individual freedom and responsibility are poisonous to the statist agenda.

You've got to be the dumbest poster on this site.

October 5, 2010 at 10:08 p.m.
librul said...

Scotty, I'm sure, in your mind, you're the only really smart poster on this site and I'm sure your papers are always in order.

I think you should try to get out more, talk to some real people. Spend some time away from the limited circle we must surmise that you feel comfortable around. You know - broaden your horizons; seek out some diversity. Of course that will involve rubbing elbows with people of other races, beliefs and political persuasions.

I am sure the very thought of all that scares you to death since it might mean coming down off your purity pedestal to see those others as equals whose ideas deserve consideration alongside your own. But, you know, there's no gain without pain.

Many thanks to Harvey Wasserman:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/10/02-2

October 5, 2010 at 11:20 p.m.
whatever said...

No Gain? What about Tide? Does that come in a pain-free version?

But seriously, that's a good challenge for anybody. Sometimes you might learn a lesson about yourself, sometimes about the other side.

Only thing you need is a mind that isn't closed, and an attitude that doesn't dismiss folks out of hand.

October 5, 2010 at 11:56 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

Actually, I do spend a lot of time with all sorts of people. I don't generally categorize people until they start talking gibberish. I've found that ignorance knows no color, or religion, but that it seems to concentrate on the left side of political thought.

And actually, I do consider myself much more informed about history and the pitfalls involved in statist ideas. These ideas have repeatedly failed, bringing much misery, starvation, and death upon the common people who are duped by the grandiose schemes of the statist utopians. Said statists are merely taking advantage of the ignorance of those with no historical knowledge, to implace themselves into positions of power from which they can dictate the details of the lives of others and live lives of luxury as others suffer.

The statist ideals you repeatedly spout are not deserving of consideration as they have been repeatedly proven to be failure models.

If you managed to break your leg (I hope you don't, it hurts), and someone came along and suggested that hitting yourself on the head with a large rock would make the leg feel better, would you do it? Being open minded as you are, you might, but would you do it again? And again? And again?

Attempting to fix perceived inequalities in society by enslaving everyone, save the few who seize control of the machinery of government, is the dumbest idea ever imagined. That 100+ million people have died over the last century proving this fact, only makes it more obvious.

Seriously, turn off the TV, read a few stacks of books by a variety of writers and get a clue.

October 6, 2010 at 12:09 a.m.
librul said...

OK, so now we know you are an entrenched, nay fortified, extreme libertarian. You believe in the rugged individual, the social "army of one". You would never believe that corporate statism exists and you would never oppose or complain about it. You would probably even deny that humans are a social species, inclined to coalesce into societal groups and motivated to seek the good of all in a community - often sacrificing one for the other to promote common comfort and overall harmony.

If you were to break your leg, pitifully lying on the side of the road watching hundreds of your fellow rugged individuals drive by looking out the window at you muttering "I guess he just couldn't compete." I wonder if you would reach for your trusty piece and put a bullet in your head since you were also thinking you had utterly failed and it was only a matter of time before some other rugged individual came along and hit you in the head with a rock and took your gun and your shoes; or would you want one of them, in a weak moment of near-forgotten compassion, to reasch out to offer you assistance, comfort, treatment? Would you want a doctor to set your leg out of Hippocratic devotion or simply because without doing so you could no longer function as a rugged individual and would be a dead-end burden on others?

No. Such a society, devoid of caring, unmoved by deprivation, reducing people to being pawns of a vast capitlist hive could not and would not continue. It is just not who we are as a species.

Democratic socialism is where we are headed - deal with it.

October 6, 2010 at 9:48 a.m.
SCOTTYM said...

"OK, so now we know you are an entrenched, nay fortified, extreme libertarian."

Wrong again.

"Democratic socialism is where we are headed - deal with it."

Like North Korea, Cuba, and the USSR?

Good luck with that as you are going to have to figure out what to do with 100 odd million of your fellow citizens who are not going to play along. I suppose you could do what your heroes have done and try to kill us all off. I'm sure you'd enjoy it. Just remember, that only works for your side when the opposition is unarmed. We aren't, and never will be.

You are quite insane. You do know this, yes?

October 6, 2010 at 5:42 p.m.
librul said...

Quite the contrary, Adolph, it is you who defines the term.

100 million? Does that mean there are 250 million of us??? What a confidence builder!

October 6, 2010 at 8 p.m.
whatever said...

Wow, still arguing here?

Well, I guess there's just too much division here. But then when the other person writes you off as insane, what can be expected?

Is that better or worse than being on crack?

October 6, 2010 at 8:22 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

Are you referring to Adolf Hitler? The statist? The one who mostly agreed with YOUR point of view? The mere piker of a mass murderer compared to those you so adore? The one who was the darling of the progressive set until he turned on that other monstrous darling of the progressive set, Stalin?

You really just don't even have a clue, do you?

It only took ~3% of the population of the colonies to defeat the greatest military power in existence at the time during the revolutionary war. Your confidence is that of a fool if you think that a majority of the population will join in with your nihilist movement. Most folks are much too docile to join either side. You and those like you are few and far between, not to mention hopelessly naive and martially inept. We surround you.

Wouldn't you be much happier in North Korea where your stale ideas have come to fruition, since the idea of liberty, freedom and self determination are so repulsive to you?

October 6, 2010 at 9:33 p.m.
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