published Wednesday, October 13th, 2010

The Tag Team

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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nucanuck said...

Legal injustice!

October 13, 2010 at 12:12 a.m.
OllieH said...

Very appropriate cartoon for this election.

Campaign contributions have always been a corrupting influence on our elected officials, but at least the amount and source of a contribution to a party or a candidate is subject to disclosure laws. Now that the floodgate of private political spending has been opened by Supreme Court's decision in the Citizens United case, we've lost what little transparency we had.

We know that our politicians are still being bought. We just don't know who's doing the buying anymore.

October 13, 2010 at 12:28 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Great toon, Clay.

Devoid of new ideas and threatened with irrelevance, the new GOP has gained financial strength with the Supreme Court ruling on Citizens United v. the Federal Election Commission. The activist Judges decided that corporations could pump as much money into political campaigns as they could possibly write off and candidates were not obligated to reveal who gave them the money or where it came from.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is America's largest lobbying organization and counts many powerful global corporations as dues paying members in good standing. The Chamber is denying that they are using foreign money to funnel millions into Republican campaign coffers, but won't open their books to prove it.

Hmm, you might be wondering, why would the U.S. Chamber of Commerce want Republicans in charge? Why would a large corporation, foreign or domestic, want to fund campaign spots that try and scare voters into voting GOP?

All you Tea Baggers might believe that you are going to "take your country back" to more freedom, more liberty, and lower taxes.

The big money boys funding this Republican mid-term election want to "take your country back" to less regulation of Wall Street, oil rigs, and HMOs. The want to return to the economic glory days of George Bush.

They can only succeed if enough working class people - folks who struggle everyday just to make ends meet - believe Obama is a Muslim or a Nazi or a tax hiker. People who believe they are being sold into socialism even though most of them couldn't accurately define socialism.

But in America money talks and freedom of speech is very expensive. Those with the most money have the loudest voices and my head aches at the thought of America headed forward to Bush 2.1.

October 13, 2010 at 1:14 a.m.
Francis said...

only one party indicated on the cartoon..hmmm..i wonder what that means.

rah, rah..go democrats....yeah, a lot of insight there.

yeah...blackwater...that's the way it is.

voters don't need fancy ads to make them scared...obama is doing a great job on his own.

stupid-ass analysis....there's no evidence at all of what obama is accusing the chamber of commerce of. just some bull****...like what you're claiming totally baseless.

yeah..lets' attack the chamber..that'll get the voters to vote democrat...how stupid..how lame and so typical of the vulgar entity known as the democrat party.

it's called free speech, blackwater.....why don't we signify who can and can't contribute...and who will come up with that list...you?....obama...nancy pelosi....?...you libs are a bag of fries short of a happy meal. contributing to campaigns, whether it's a million dollars or $20..it's all free speech.

you slam republicans for their donors..but who donates to the democrat party...nambla, la raza, the black panthers, communist party of america.....george soros..you do know he's a billionare and a foreigner, right?......

you libs love to throw baseless accusations out and demand the accused prove their accusations wrong. it's not whether it's true or not, it's the seriousness of the charge.

October 13, 2010 at 1:48 a.m.
hambone said...

Francis you are a "baseless accusation" with your rambling vulgar ranting. You've said that you came from Chicago, then you should know what a " F.I.B." is.

October 13, 2010 at 6:29 a.m.
EaTn said...

This cartoon is an "in your face" reminder that our political system is being sold to the highest bidder, even at our own state level. Since the GOP has been frolicking in bed with the wealthy, they would like to keep them covered with the bed sheet, so to speak.

October 13, 2010 at 6:49 a.m.
woody said...

I'm afraid I, too, must take some exception with today's toon.

There is little, if any, doubt that Democrats have their own 'Sugar Daddies and Mamas." Their numbers of hidden bankers may not be as great as the Republicans have backing them, but they are there. I don't have to see the 'dark side of the moon' to be sure of its existence.

It may be too late for this election cycle, and likely for the next, and the next, as well. However, I envision a day when our legislatures will be "ours" once again. And I mean from the state level on up.

It won't be done following the tactics of "The Tea Party". No, it will take a concerted effort on behalf of die-hard Conservatives, Liberals and dedicated Independents.

True, it will take radical measures, but not radical ideas. It will take the majority of voters telling those we send to our various seats of government to stick to the business of the people and to live within their means as they expect all of us to do.

Sorry Clay, but it had to be said, Woody

October 13, 2010 at 7:05 a.m.
OllieH said...

Woody- these private political campaign groups that have popped up sine the Citizens United case are overwhelmingly devoted to promoting Republican candidates. The amount of unregulated money flooding in to support conservatives is astounding.

There are groups (like Unions) that promote Democrats, but they fall under disclosure laws and take credit for the ads they run.

October 13, 2010 at 7:27 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

I have to admit that name-calling in Mr. Bennett’s cartoons is entertaining…but for a few of us who take the time to look at these cartoons for what they represent…it’s like trying to laugh with a cracked rib.

I suppose wanting fiscal discipline in Washington, wanting reduced regulations on the free-market system, passing laws that adhere to the U.S. Constitution and listening to the voting public must be what most of you who ‘make fun’ of people like Francis ‘tick’…is she extreme and scary?

I guess its extreme and scary to you for our government to go against the will of the majority of the voting public in passing health care and financial regulatory deform bills, to not read legislation before they vote on it, to spend this nation into bankruptcy and to not pass tax legislation before the current law expires at the end of 2010. Wow! Shame on me for being worried…!

October 13, 2010 at 7:50 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

Francis - another shallow rant punctuated with pointless outrage.

"stupid-ass analysis....there's no evidence at all of what obama is accusing the chamber of commerce of. just some bull****...like what you're claiming totally baseless."

FACT: According to opensecrets.org, the U.S. Chamber has already spent almost $22 million to defeat Democrats in the 2010 election.

FACT: The Chamber includes many global corporations as dues paying members in good standing.

Do we know if foreign money is going to campaign contributions? No. Why? They won't show us. They say they aren't using foreign money but they ask us to trust them, to take them at their word.

Maybe you're cool with foreigners trying to buy our election.

You ramble on: "it's called free speech, blackwater.....why don't we signify who can and can't contribute...and who will come up with that list...you?....obama...nancy pelosi....?...you libs are a bag of fries short of a happy meal. contributing to campaigns, whether it's a million dollars or $20..it's all free speech."

It's not about limiting who can or cannot contribute to political campaigns. It's about DISCLOSING THE DONOR LIST. You honestly don't want to know where the money is coming from? You don't want to know whether or not the contributor has a vested interest?

Really???

And for your big finish you serve up this sugar plum:

"you libs love to throw baseless accusations out and demand the accused prove their accusations wrong. it's not whether it's true or not, it's the seriousness of the charge."

Not 'prove anything wrong.' Just give us the names.

I don't see that being a liberal or conservative argument. It's about free elections and a well informed public.

October 13, 2010 at 8:46 a.m.
hambone said...

Reverse SCOTUS's ruling on Citizens Unitied.

Impose term limits on all of congress.

Ban all political contributions and all lobbying.

Public financing of all federal elections.

Limit campaign season to 4 weeks.

Ban all electronic campaign ads. (print media only)

(that's when I woke up and realized it was a dream) Darn!!

October 13, 2010 at 9:01 a.m.
woody said...

Ollie, I understand what you are saying, and please don't think I don't understand the gravity of the problem. However. if we are to ever again see a government "of, by and for the people" Democrats are going to have to surrender their 'open' supporters as well. If, for no other reason, they hope to show everyone what the Republicans are all about.

It's already very apparent some voters are completely 'buying into' all of the anti-current administration hype. No one said "change" was going to be easy.

I guess some still believe in and really do expect miracles. Even from politicians.

Go figure, Woody

October 13, 2010 at 9:04 a.m.
acerigger said...

I wonder why the GOPers blocked the "DISCLOSE Act", which would make political donations and who makes them, public? Oh yeah,nothing to see here,just move along.

October 13, 2010 at 10:16 a.m.
hambone said...

We've got to take the "career" out of politics. But then "Con-man" is a career too! When I hear someone running for office say "I'm a successful businessman" I automatically know he's full of it.

True statesmen are hard to find!!

October 13, 2010 at 10:40 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Yawn. Same old drivel

October 13, 2010 at 11 a.m.
LibDem said...

I agree with Woody that we Democrats have our cash sources as well. Free speech guarantees that I can spend my $2.50 anyway I like.

GreenKepi refers to "...the will of the majority of the voting public...". This was last expressed in the November 2008 election. He may have wished to refer to the subsequent telephone polls. My copy of the Constitution makes no reference to government by telephone polls. (I just completed a telephone poll of my neighbors on this subject. 75% told me to stop calling them.)

October 13, 2010 at 11:06 a.m.
Sailorman said...

Re the Disclose Act (Is there a special team that comes up with these acronyms?)

It wasn't necessarily what some think it was.

"Small donors to small organizations risk losing anonymity while the bill allows larger, mainstream organizations to be exempt from donor disclosure."

http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/senate-rejects-disclose-act

http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/aclu-urges-no-vote-disclose-act

Even a blind squirrel finds a morsel occasionally.

October 13, 2010 at 11:15 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I am one of those nameless contributors and I would like it to stay that way. I wrote Corker and Alexander and asked them to vote against the Disclose Act and protect my right to privacy and, thankfully, they voted that way. There are too many stories about the Obama administration and politicos in general misusing lists of those who do not agree with them.

BTW, were all of you guys moaning and bellowing about the Unknown Donors who supported the Obama campaign? Is this something you are only complaining about now because the dollar amounts are leaning in favor of Conservatives? Or, more likely, are you just whining because Clay is giving you a topic to whine about and you had no idea that the same phenomena worked just fine for Obama. Honest answers please.

October 13, 2010 at 11:19 a.m.
Francis said...

wrong hambone..and blackwater..unless you're a liberal on here, or tip toe around you lberals..no one is welcome here...

obama's is losing everyone..dems, independents and everyone else...he's desperate..who give's a rat's ass about the chamber of commerce...how is that going to help rally people to his "cause"...stupid..flat out stupid..

hambone and blackwater.....you're just two typical liberals who are beside yourselves because your "man"..and i use that term loosely...is a dud...

wrong about the supreme court ruling....it's a huge victory for free speech.

democrats..and especially obama..will do everyhthing he can to silence the opposition..just like a good, democrat machine politician from chicago is trained to do.

hambone and blackwater...you're just a couple of democrat party bootlickers.

you're stupid ass anti-business mantra is as old worthless as lenin's corpse.

to lay the blame on one party, with all the information at our fingertips out there..in the year 2010..just speaks to your inability to get to the bottom of things. you're praising of mr. bennett's cartoons as insightful...is ludicrous. he's just a cheerleader...

whatsonottaken is right...."yawn"..

October 13, 2010 at 11:21 a.m.
Francis said...

you liberals have to understand that you're the party that's out of the main- stream...out of touch....obama got elected by lying..by coming across as sensible moderate..whatever that means.........and what is he really..a flaming leftist......voters didn't do their homework.....the democrat party is contolled by elitists who pander to fringe groups....and attract anti-americans. the modern democrat party is a freak show. the american people are not happy with the performance of the republican party...as well they should be...but they're coming to realize that the democrat party is far, far and away more destructive and a threat to the american way of life.

you libs have control of the white house, senate and house...and you've blown it by just being who you are.

October 13, 2010 at 11:35 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The MSM played the sound bites that portrayed Obama as a moderate but all you had to do was listen to and read the whole body of what he was saying and it was quite clear that he is a flaming Marxist.

October 13, 2010 at 11:39 a.m.
hambone said...

Francis's posts are like aligators.

Once you've seen one you've seen em all.

October 13, 2010 at 11:53 a.m.
reaganwasright said...

I was never comfortable with the SCOTUS ruling to allow major coporations donate and conceal such donations to influence elections.

We fought a civil war so that the "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

This ruling and the rules allowing concealment makes the government even more than ever, "of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations...."

I do think some liberals would not be yelling so loudly about this if the bulk of the money was heading to the Democrats.

As a Republican, I think this policy stinks. Only major contributors should have to be disclosed, but they should be disclosed.

Openess in government is essential to a free society.

October 13, 2010 at 11:53 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I did not think the libs here would have the fortitude to answer these questions. What is the matter? Too busy calling francis names to deal with an issue? That seems to be the way this forum goes in general.

"Were all of you guys moaning and bellowing about the Unknown Donors who supported the Obama campaign? Is this something you are only complaining about now because the dollar amounts are leaning in favor of Conservatives? Or, more likely, are you just whining because Clay is giving you a topic to whine about and you had no idea that the same phenomena worked just fine for Obama. Honest answers please."

October 13, 2010 at 12:11 p.m.
Francis said...

good point, patriot..."the unknown donors" in the obama campaign seem to go unoticed by liberals..as were the foreign donations to the bill clinton camp- aign. it's hypocracy. the ridiculous and baseless attack on the chamber of commerce by obama because they don't support him and think he's anti- business is absurd based on his history of questionable donations. ever heard of george soros? who is this anti-american guy who has such pull with the democrat party? that's just one person...

how about we turn it around on obama....throw something out there and have him prove it's not true. ...let's see...obama is bought and paid for by the com- muist chinese...prove he's not! he bowed before their leader.... when has a president ever bowed before a foreign ruler? who bows? now prove he's not owned by them. based on his free enterprise/free market wrecking agenda i'd say that's a solid charge......

or how about obama is a pothead. he smokes pot in the oval office. prove that he's not. you liberals love to throw out something outrageous and force someone to have to prove it's not true. that's your m.o.....

you don't like when it's turned around on you.

francis' posts...francis claims..francis this and francis that....you're posts, hambone, are all the same. there's a reason why money is pouring in to tea party people..and not through the republican party.....it's because obama is so far out of touch with the american people and such a threat to their way of life that'they're motivated.

October 13, 2010 at 1:19 p.m.
alprova said...

There were no "secret or unknown donors" to the Obama campaign. I challenge anyone to offer proof that there were.

There were millions of people who contributed very small amounts to his campaign, $5, $10, $25, $50, etc.

No candidate in the history of this country has ever accrued the sheer number of individual contributors than he did, and again, in those small amounts.

And as we all witnessed, they do indeed add up.

October 13, 2010 at 1:24 p.m.
Sailorman said...

"There were no "secret or unknown donors" to the Obama campaign. I challenge anyone to offer proof that there were."

Following Axelrod's lead, I challenge you to offer proof that there weren't.

October 13, 2010 at 1:29 p.m.
Francis said...

mr. bennett is entitled to his idealogy. no one disputes that. but to claim his cartoons contain any insight is delusional. this cartoon proves it. there are "unknown donations" to both parties, if you want to label it that...to deny that is silly. by not including the democrat party in the cartoon mr. bennett is clearly saying it's strictly a republican party issue. if he would've included both parties in this, which is the reality, in some form...then he would come across as a real editorial cartoonist, and not simply a cheerleader for the democrat party.

October 13, 2010 at 1:32 p.m.
hambone said...

Bigridge, See my post of 9:01am. Does this qualify as a honest answer?

October 13, 2010 at 1:35 p.m.
hambone said...

As for Francis he is imposible to reason with and I gave up long ago and bought Alcoa stock. It's up 1.29% so far today.

October 13, 2010 at 1:42 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

hambone, are you referring to "ban all political contributions"?, I don't think that answers the question.

alprova, Obama was playing under the same rules that so many are complaining about now. He had his own Unknown Donors, plenty of them. How on earth can you claim that he had none? I do not even know how to respond to such a silly statement.

October 13, 2010 at 2:01 p.m.
Clara said...

reaganwasright | On: October 13, 2010 at 11:53 a.m.

I agree!

Which Supreme Court ruled it, and when.

That bit of stuff passed me by, but then a lot of stuff does.

October 13, 2010 at 2:06 p.m.
woody said...

Francis, I was doing my best (and doing really well, I might add) to once again try not to pay any attention to your seemingly endless, spineless tirade. However, you wrote one to many times and leave me no recourse. but to 'call you on the carpet'.

If I were you, and thankfully I am not, I would really take care throwing around words like "delusional." Someone might mistake what you have to say for what you appear to be.

TTFN, Woody

October 13, 2010 at 2:16 p.m.
whoknows said...

I agree with Reaganwasright. But oh well. I also like hambone's ideas in his 9:01 post. It would truly cut back the ridiculous spending in these areas.

On another note, completely unrelated. I just saw this article and thought it was funny for Obama haters and Palin haters alike. Have a laugh with me: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/10/barack-obama-related-to-sarah-palin-rush-limbaugh-bush.html

October 13, 2010 at 2:28 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"if he would've included both parties in this, which is the reality, in some form...then he would come across as a real editorial cartoonist, and not simply a cheerleader for the democrat party."

That is exactly correct. The thug standing behind the democrat would be a little smaller this election. You would not be able to notice the difference without putting them on the scale.

October 13, 2010 at 2:29 p.m.
alprova said...

Sailorman wrote: "Following Axelrod's lead, I challenge you to offer proof that there weren't."


Sure...no problem. Download the .csv file and peruse it to your heart's content.

http://change.gov/page/content/donors/

October 13, 2010 at 2:56 p.m.
alprova said...

alprova, Obama was playing under the same rules that so many are complaining about now. He had his own Unknown Donors, plenty of them. How on earth can you claim that he had none? I do not even know how to respond to such a silly statement.


Obama had a 91% full disclosure rate. That is far and above the average of most candidates.

The amounts that his campaign were unable to disclose fully amounted to around $25 million. He received a total of just less than $400 million.

Individuals who donate less than $200 each are not required to be disclosed by name, and not one penny of his entire donation list came from outside of the United States. Obama also rejected any individual donation in excess of $2,000, regardless of who it was from.

The Chamber of Commerce is refusing to disclose where it's donations are coming from...period. They are dumping millions of dollars to fund Republican candidates in tight races. $75 million has been used

And lest we not forget that in 1994, the Republicans did the same thing during the mid-term elections. Haley Barbour, who was RNC Chairman at the time, arranged a $2.1 million dollar "loan" from a Hong Kong businessman.

October 13, 2010 at 3:30 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Al, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sell that I think you just might be interested in.

Oh brother, you are so gullible.

October 13, 2010 at 3:39 p.m.
hambone said...

Al, Why bother, a closed mind is a terrible thing.

October 13, 2010 at 3:45 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

So the argument from the right is this:

"Oh yeah? Well, Obama did it too. So there."

Except he didn't but never mind. Don't want to give your brains a pain mulling it over.

Francis, you can swear and call people names and whine and not provide any reason why the names of big contributors to both parties shouldn't be disclosed. That's fine. That's your prerogative.

It's all fire and no heat. Flash and no substance. No wonder you belong to the republic party. Nice slate of candidates by the way. Witches, mad men, and at least one crooked businessman who ripped off taxpayers for years.

Since Obama took office a little over a year and a half ago, with America on the brink of bankruptcy and the economy shedding hundreds of thousands of jobs every month, we've turned the corner.

We've had nine consecutive months of private sector job growth. Sure, state and local governments have had to lay off teachers and police officers and fire fighters, but don't you want smaller government?

The stimulus provided us with the largest middle class tax cut in history.

You think it's wrong to prevent health insurance companies from denying coverage just because they can? Or dropping you just because you get sick?

You think it's wrong to stop Wall Street from making risky investments because even when they failed they knew the government would step in and fill up their vaults? Obama said no more bailouts.

He also kept taxpayer money out BP's oil spill cleanup when John Boehner was saying "the government" would have to help pay the bill.

Sorry, not seeing the socialism.

Bush had eight years to steer the ship of state onto the rocks. Let's give Obama time to get us back on course.

October 13, 2010 at 3:47 p.m.
Francis said...

mr. bennett takes his marching orders well...

obama tosses out a baseless claim to try and get the public worked up about the c of c..and libs like bennett hear the call and pile on.

the chamber of commerce? people are concerned with keeping their jobs and finding jobs and this bozo, obama, is looking so hard for someone or something to demonize. i can just see the people marching in the streets against the chamber of commerce and their donations.

obama can hear hillary's footsteps and he's getting desperate.

October 13, 2010 at 3:51 p.m.
Sailorman said...

Al

change.gov - the office of the president-elect - that's all you've got? From the horse's mouth eh?

It's more credible than those you chastise - how?

October 13, 2010 at 4:11 p.m.
FM_33 said...

then you should know what a " F.B.I." is. Username: hambone | On: October 13, 2010 at 6:29 a.m.

October 13, 2010 at 4:15 p.m.
FM_33 said...

As for Francis he is imposible to reason with and I gave up long ago and bought Pepsi cola stock. It's up 1.29% so far today. Username: hambone | On: October 13, 2010 at 1:42 p.m.

October 13, 2010 at 4:16 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Nurseforjustice, Why bother, a closed mind is a terrible thing. Username: hambone | On: October 13, 2010 at 3:45 p.m.

October 13, 2010 at 4:17 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Sailorman wrote: "Following Axelrod's lead, I challenge you to offer proof that there weren't."


Sure...no problem. Download the .csv file and peruse it to your heart's content.

http://changeandhope.gov/page/content/donors/ Username: alprova | On: October 13, 2010 at 2:56 p.m.

October 13, 2010 at 4:18 p.m.
FM_33 said...

The stimulus provided us with the largest middle class tax cut in history. Username: blackwater48 | On: October 13, 2010 at 3:47 p.m.


Correct.

October 13, 2010 at 4:19 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

So Al, at first you said not one single cent was "secret or unknown" for Obama, then you said 9% of his total contributrions were undisclosed. Is there a difference between "secret or unknown" and "undisclosed?"

I don't think corporations should be allowed to give money undisclosed. That's ridiculous. We really need leaders who will care about protecting the citizens more than the wealth of corporations. I know it's crazy seeing those words from a conservative like me, but it's true nevertheless.

October 13, 2010 at 4:23 p.m.
FM_33 said...

"if he would've included both parties in this, which is the reality, in some form...then he would come across as a real editorial cartoonist, and not simply a cheerleader for the tea party."

That is exactly correct. The thug standing behind the tea baggar would be a little smaller this election. You would not be able to notice the difference without putting them on the scale of 1 to 10. Username: BigRidgePatriot | On: October 13, 2010 at 2:29 p.m.

October 13, 2010 at 4:24 p.m.
rolando said...

maobama can hear not only hillary's footsteps; the splintering sound of his falling signature legislation -- maobamacare -- is deafening. and it scares him spitless.

wait until his funds are cut-off.

francis...everything you say is accurate concerning this crowd of lib-progs.

October 13, 2010 at 4:24 p.m.
FM_33 said...

This cartoon is an "in your face" reminder that our political system is being sold to the lowest bidder, even at our own state level. Since the GOP women has been frolicking in bed with Joe Biden and the very wealthy, they would like to keep them covered with the bed sheet and horny as hell, so to speak. Username: EaTn | On: October 13, 2010 at 6:49 a.m.

October 13, 2010 at 4:26 p.m.
FM_33 said...

maobama can hear not only michelle's footsteps; the splintering sound of his successful signature legislation -- maobamacare -- is is the bomb. and it makes him a great president.

wait until his funds are given the credit it's due.

blackwater48...everything you say is accurate concerning this crowd of obama lovers like me. Username: rolando | On: October 13, 2010 at 4:24 p.m.

October 13, 2010 at 4:30 p.m.
FM_33 said...

So Rolando, at first you said not one single thing about obama being a "cool president" for this country, then you said 100% of his total contributrions was from "a mack daddy president" . Is there a difference between "cool president" and "a mack daddy president?"

I don't think morons like you should be allowed to make a comment on president obama. That's ridiculous. We really need leaders who will care about protecting the citizens more than the wealth of a tiny few in america. I know it's crazy seeing those words from a conservative like me, but it's not true at all nevertheless. Username: Musicman375 | On: October 13, 2010 at 4:23 p.m.

October 13, 2010 at 4:37 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Al, I just fall in love with Sen. John McCain in Arizona for the first time and i think you'll be very interested in coming to our wedding next year.

Oh brother, you would be a great guest at my wedding. Will you and your wife come to it by any chance ? Username: nurseforjustice | On: October 13, 2010 at 3:39 p.m.

October 13, 2010 at 4:43 p.m.
FM_33 said...

So the argument from Sarah Palin is this:

"Oh yeah? Well, Michelle Obama did it too. So there."

Except she didn't but never mind. Don't want to give your brains a pain mulling it over.

Rolando, you can swear and call people names and whine and not provide any reason why the names of big contributors to both porno stars can't be disclosed. That's fine. That's your prerogative.

It's all fire and no heat. Flash and no substance. No wonder you belong to the moron party. Nice slate of candidates by the way. Witches, mad men, and at least one crooked USDA food producer who ripped off customers like you for years.

Since Sarah Palin took office a little over a year and a half ago, with America on the brink of bankruptcy and the economy shedding hundreds of thousands of jobs every month, we've turned the corner.

We've had nine consecutive months of private sector job growth. Sure, state and local governments have had to lay off teachers and police officers and fire fighters, but don't you want smaller government?

The stimulus provided us with the largest middle class tax cut in history.

You think it's wrong to prevent health insurance companies from denying coverage just because they can? Or dropping you just because you get sick?

You think it's wrong to stop Wall Street from making risky investments because even when they failed they knew the government would step in and fill up their vaults? Sarah Palin said no more bailouts.

She also kept taxpayer money out BP's oil spill cleanup when Condolezza Rice was saying "the government" would have to help pay the bill.

Sorry, not seeing the Nazism.

Sarah Palin had eight years to steer the ship of state onto the rocks. Let's give the new president Ms. Paris Hilton time to get us back on course. Username: blackwater48 | On: October 13, 2010 at 3:47 p.m.

October 13, 2010 at 5:06 p.m.
Francis said...

funny how you liberals find links to everything you need to. well, you can argue until you're blue in the face, but in the real world, you know, outside of this forum and the liberal circles you hang around in, nobody is buying any of the bilge you spew out about how good the stimulus is..and how it's helping the middle class. what a bunch of horse crap. you can link all you want and desperatly quote figures...but it just doesen't add up. the numbers aren't working for people. if they were, you wouldn't see the level of anger out there you're seeing against obama and liberal policy. but, of course, being the elitests that you are...and believing you know what's best for every- one.....you attribute it to the ignorance of the stubborn rabble and the evil republicans who are leading them astray.

nobody is buying it. obama is not trusted or believable.

people don't want their lives turned upside down to accomodate obama's dumb ass vision.

so link away..you libs..link away....people are going with their gut out there.. in the real world..and their gut tells them that they've had enough of obama and pelosi.

you liberals always underestimate the intelligence of the american people. i'm completely convinced obama, the pompous ass that he is, thinks the american public cannot see who he really is and has no idea what he's doing.

your never ending attack on the businessman and the business community speaks to your lack of understanding, ignorance and disrespect toward the entrepenuer and those who have a passion for independence. your nauseating anti-business mantra is being ignored by the american people.

you're so predictable...your attacks on sarah palin speaks to your fear of her and envy. people love her because she's a self-made person..with real experiences in the real world. she wasn't sheltered in academia and mentored by a corrupt political machine.

October 13, 2010 at 6:22 p.m.
rolando said...

Whatevah ah you rantin' 'bout, FunnyMan {FM}? Show don't sound like nothin' sane to me. Go'wan back to livin' in yo mama's basement, my child.

Still plagarizin' away, ain't cha? Filin' false posts using other names...there is a word describing you, you know. The censor won't let me use it...not even misspelled.

October 13, 2010 at 6:43 p.m.
rolando said...

Keep hammering away at them, francis. Sooner or later the truth will be forced into them...along about 3 Nov, I expect.

Speaking of which, it sure is quiet without the Black Panthers threatening to club white voters if they go into a polling place and ACORN dragging parkbench sleepers in to register...

Makes me wonder what the Dems are up to this time around...besides recounting until they win, that is.

October 13, 2010 at 6:51 p.m.
alprova said...

Musicman375 wrote: "So Al, at first you said not one single cent was "secret or unknown" for Obama, then you said 9% of his total contributrions were undisclosed. Is there a difference between "secret or unknown" and "undisclosed?"..."


I knew I'd be hammered for that, and rightfully so, as it was written. He had NO FOREIGN DONATIONS, the subject we were discussing.

He disclosed as much as he could about the $25,000,000 in donations that he was required to disclose. Everyone receives small donations, and they are not required to disclose them.

Undisclosed donations are those that are not REQUIRED to be disclosed by name, which are any individual amounts less than $200 a pop.

Again, the undisclosed donations were only 6.2% of his total donations.

October 13, 2010 at 8:49 p.m.
acerigger said...

Y'all wingers been drinkin'sumthin stronger than GOPer kool-aid! The squalling is getting loud even before the DOJ looks into the COC's books.Does ANYONE really believe that "foreign donor money" is not being used to influence our elections? I've got !FIRST! chance tickets for winning ownership of the Brooklyn Bridge! RSVP please. LOL!

October 13, 2010 at 9:35 p.m.
Oz said...

The Dems have union money, forcefully taken from members, behind them. I don't guess they have specific agenda in mind?

October 13, 2010 at 9:50 p.m.
ITguy said...

Fm please take the little pills that your Doctor gave you.

Francis, please explain to us how your life has changed for the worse during the last 18 months. Please be specific. In what way are you now living in a socialist tyranny? Has your property been confiscated? Have your taxes gone up? Did the brown shirts come and force you into the ghetto? Am I missing something?

Anyone who thinks it is ok for foreign corporations to contribute undisclosed funds to our political campaigns is nuts. Period. It is not a free speech issue, it is not a covservative or liberal issue. It is a profit issue. Period. Corporations have one purpose. It is to make a profit. Period. They view campaign contributions as investments. They expect a return on the investment. And you are cool with that? Really?

October 13, 2010 at 9:54 p.m.
Oz said...

I'm sure American companies donate money to groups representing business in countries all over the world.

October 13, 2010 at 10:17 p.m.
sd said...

I guess BigRidgePatriot's comment is what I don't understand. "I am one of those nameless contributors and I would like it to stay that way. I wrote Corker and Alexander and asked them to vote against the Disclose Act and protect my right to privacy and, thankfully, they voted that way. There are too many stories about the Obama administration and politicos in general misusing lists of those who do not agree with them."

Here's the thing. Why SHOULD a contributor of any amount be granted anonymity? If you're willing to put money down for a cause or a candidate you should be willing to own up to it. Why can't you put your mouth where your money is, so to speak? This reminds me of the Prop 8 campaign contributors that didn't want their names revealed.

I'm with ITGuy on this one. I don't understand how this is a partisan issue either, because regardless of your party affiliation, if a large corporation is donating a ton of money to your guy (or for that matter, the other guy) you should be able to find out who they are. The why may come later, or not at all, but as a citizen and consumer you deserve to know where these giants stand.

October 13, 2010 at 10:48 p.m.
acerigger said...

"The Dems have union money, forcefully taken from members, behind them. I don't guess they have specific agenda in mind?" Username: Oz | On: October 13, 2010 at 9:50 p.m. >>>>>>>>>> Oz,I've been a union member for 45 years! NOBODY! ever "forced" me to donate to anybody or anything! If you think that's the way it works,you have been massively mis-informed!

October 13, 2010 at 11:26 p.m.
acerigger said...

Rolando,you got dem ebonics down ain't you bro?

October 14, 2010 at 12:22 a.m.
Oz said...

Here's the thing. Why SHOULD a contributor of any amount be granted anonymity?

Why should the Obama administration use the IRS and other government agencies to go after people with a different point of view? It would be just as pathetic if the GOP was doing it.

October 14, 2010 at 7:30 a.m.
Oz said...

acerigger...What I meant was you had to pay to work. If you had stopped paying dues. What would have happened?

Also, all union members do not support the Democratic Party but they are forced to provide financial support to the Party.

October 14, 2010 at 8:12 p.m.
sd said...

You and your red herrings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/15/health/policy/15fda.html?_r=1&ref=health

"The [FDA] responded by releasing a detailed report last year that found that the agency’s scientific reviewers had repeatedly and unanimously over many years declared Menaflex unworthy of approval, but that they had been overruled by agency managers after political pressure from four Democrats from New Jersey — Senators Robert Menendez and Frank R. Lautenberg and Representatives Frank Pallone Jr. and Steven R. Rothman. The report also concluded that Dr. Andrew C. von Eschenbach, then the agency’s commissioner, had become inappropriately involved in the decision, and that agency procedures had been bypassed.

All four lawmakers made their inquiries about Menaflex after receiving significant campaign contributions from ReGen, which is based in Hackensack, N.J."

This is why we need transparency. This is not a partisan issue. I can't imagine a better example of how the sway of corporate campaign contributions can have a direct, negative effect on the public.

October 14, 2010 at 9:30 p.m.
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