published Sunday, September 26th, 2010

Decision 2010

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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whatever said...

Oh this will kick up a ruckus.

Doesn't Clay realize they're BOTH Canadian???

September 26, 2010 at 12:14 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Eh!?! :-þ

September 26, 2010 at 12:19 a.m.
Clara said...

Ahhhh! If it only could be so clear cut in choices as presented.

This was great for a good laugh. I always wanted to do a local Saturday Theatre Special in our Community Theatre for the kids, portraying the evil mortgage holder, the gallant hero, and the helpless, beautiful, young victim.

Cripes! What is offered now. Oh! Wasn't there a cartoon a few years ago about a Dudley Doright?

Remember those 10 cent movie prices with the serials, cartoons, newsreels, etc.?

No! Most of you are much too young.

September 26, 2010 at 6:37 a.m.
captainrt said...

I doubt if many people today even know who these characters are. Hey, anyone here remember the name of the horse?

September 26, 2010 at 6:51 a.m.
dougmusn said...

Captainrt: The horse's name was...wait for it...Horse. Honestly.

September 26, 2010 at 7:29 a.m.
anniebelle said...

You're right dougmusn - Horse was his name.

September 26, 2010 at 8:07 a.m.
woody said...

Okay..for the record they are Dudley Doright, Horse, Nell and Snidely Whiplash (l-r). And yes these selections do present a bit of a quandry.

Or as some medical professional, somewhere, a long time ago stated, "...sometimes the cure can be as lethal as the ailment itself...."

Politics is a no-win situation. No matter who is in charge they will be blamed for what is going on at the moment, as well as the likely effects in the foreseeable future.

Likewise, no matter who is currently not in power, they have the answer which will 'make everything all better' as soon as they are once again given back their position of omnipotency.

(Go back three paragraphs and start all over again.)

If only "The Wizard of Oz" were real, then he could combine the brain of "The Scarecrow" with the heart of "The Tin Man" and the courage of "The Cowardly Lion" to make someone we could send to congress and have no worries he/she would actually work on our behalves.

If only... Woody

September 26, 2010 at 8:48 a.m.
alprova said...

Snidely Whiplash looks as shifty as ever. Dudley Do-Right needs to turn around in that saddle, grab those reins, and get back on track, disregarding Snidely's attempt to distract him from doing what is indeed right.

I'd say all in all, the 'toon is right on target.

Poor Nell. You'd think the choice would be easy, but she's always been kinda flaky. She always seemed to have more of a soft spot for Horse than she did for Dudley, who worked so relentlessly to save her from Whiplash.

Okay...back to reality.

September 26, 2010 at 8:59 a.m.
Clara said...

Alprova,

Reality is no fun! Neither is the political situation!

September 26, 2010 at 9:24 a.m.
ProgressiveInTN said...

Yup.

September 26, 2010 at 9:33 a.m.
Clara said...

I vote for Ikiethlu for President, and Alprova for VP.

That should start an argument!

Anyone on the Blog up to filling the other openings?

I think I want to go for Health and Human Services.

September 26, 2010 at 9:38 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Oh, pulease... I'd make the Worst president on record. I'd make a good dogcatcher, though! ;)

September 26, 2010 at 10:10 a.m.
Oz said...

Dudley Do-Right in the saddle backwards is an accurate depiction of the Democratic Party. Good Job Clay!

What is the new DNC motto? Turning dollars into change!!!

September 26, 2010 at 10:38 a.m.
Francis said...

yeah, that's a pulitzer prize winner.

democrats are kind hearted, republicans are sinister...we get it.

at least you're consistant, mr. bennett.

September 26, 2010 at 11:34 a.m.
rolando said...

The way the dollar has fallen, Oz, and since it is indeed "pocket change", perhaps it is finally time to re-introduce the Susan B and the Sakajeweah[sp] dollar coins. It no longer really matters about their confusion with the quarter -- they are almost equal in value anyway.

[Aside- have you scraped the plating off the new penny yet? Looks like printer's pig iron underneath. Other than the hole, it resembles the more valuable 1-yen piece.]

September 26, 2010 at 11:41 a.m.
whatever said...

The penny has been mostly zinc since 1982.

Are you just now noticing?

September 26, 2010 at 11:47 a.m.
Oz said...

HOPE....Harry, Obama, & Pelosi Evicted.

September 26, 2010 at 11:50 a.m.
alprova said...

En l'honneur de nos amis canadiens-français qui sont de grands fans de travail Clay Bennett, je déclare que ceci est un combat journée libre, peu importe comment on peut essayer de démarrer la troisième guerre mondiale.

Je déclare une trêve pour un jour.

September 26, 2010 at 11:55 a.m.
acerigger said...

Apparently a lot of people don't realize who led us into the mess we're in.If you think we can afford it, let's go ahead and give the GOP another chance to remove all doubt.

September 26, 2010 at 12:07 p.m.
alprova said...

REALITY....Republicans Extended Another License In Twenty Years

September 26, 2010 at 12:09 p.m.
OllieH said...

I think this cartoon sums up the election campaign perfectly. We have the incompetent but well-intentioned Democrats verses the competent but malevolent Republicans.

Despite the humorless objection by Francis to the sinister depiction of the Republicans, be honest- would the GOP really be on the side of a government agent like Dudley intervening in the free market practices of of a wealthy entrepreneur like Snidely Whiplash?

I think not.

This may present the Democrats as a better choice relatively, but it hardly depicts them in a positive light. If you think it does, then you've obviously never watched a single episode of Dudley Do-Right.

September 26, 2010 at 12:24 p.m.
hambone said...

Clara, I remember when a dollar would really get you something in Brainerd on saturday. Southland Skating Rink all morning. 2 Krystals and a coke for lunch Brainerd Theater for 10 cents in the afternoon

Some of us are still around!!

September 26, 2010 at 12:44 p.m.
Francis said...

i wrote kind hearted..i wrote nothing about them being depicted as competant or in any other kind of positive light...just kind hearted......

i was simply pointing out that republicans are consistantly portrayed as evil or near evil in his cartoons... the distinction between the two in this cartoon is more obvious than most....

i'm aware that do-right is a bumbler...

your assumption is dead wrong...i've watched that cartoon a lot.

September 26, 2010 at 1:12 p.m.
Francis said...

yeah..just one party led us into this "mess" ...just one.....

who has controlled congress for most of the last 50 years or so?

our current state is the result of bipartisan incompetance.

as a predominently republican voter...i can admit that the party i've supported has screwed up...many of you liberals can't.

to say that republicans alone got us into this "mess" is just not based in reality

the sub prime mortgage/fm&fm fiasco was a democrat party driven disaster.

bush spending recklessly,.. which didnt' bother the democrats until he got out of office or near election time...is responsible as well

years of wasteful spending by both parties..whether driven by one, or one going along with the other has caused this.....both parties are guilty

September 26, 2010 at 1:27 p.m.
hambone said...

WOW, Francis, two posts in a row without YOU KNOW WHO!!

September 26, 2010 at 1:50 p.m.
BobMKE said...

To put this post in perspective there are really four parties operating during these polictical times; 1. Liberal/Socialist/Progressive (Clay's the only one in these posts that admits he is a "Social Democrat") 2. Democratic (Moderates) 3. Republican (Moderates/Rinos) 4. Conservative/Libertarians (There are numerous people in these posts who not only admit to being Conservatives/Libertarians but are very proud that they are) Whether you want to admit this or not but both of today's Democratic and Republican Parties are BOTH moving to the right and leaving behind the far left wings of BOTH parties. They are being left (pun)in the dust. The majority of the voters voting in the future will now embrace the Moderate Democrats and the Conservative Republicans. Left out will be the Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Rangle, Boxer, Waters, Dodd, Frank, The Clintons, McCain, BushII, Etc, types. The voters who support these types will also be left in the dust. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions, what to do.

September 26, 2010 at 2:09 p.m.
whatever said...

You forgot people who claim to be one of the others, but are really just using the agenda as a front.

That is also a factor.

September 26, 2010 at 2:28 p.m.
Clara said...

hambone,

And a double feature. I remember, ONCE, when the fill "B" was a MUCH better than the main. Wish I could remember what it was. It turned out a classic.

I haven't been to a movie since "Schindler's List."

September 26, 2010 at 2:34 p.m.
rolando said...

"Are you just now noticing?"

And they started plating them when??

Or haven't you noticed yet?

September 26, 2010 at 4:05 p.m.
rolando said...

BobMKE -- Fine post. You were doing OK up until your 4th. THAT one earned you the eternal enmity of the Left-Progs on this forum.
Especially since it was true.

September 26, 2010 at 4:08 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Rolando posted: Are you just now noticing?"

And they started plating them when??

Or haven't you noticed yet?

What did you mean by this? Pennies have been copper plated zinc since 1982.

September 26, 2010 at 4:23 p.m.
rolando said...

In those days, hambone, ONE hour's work at minimum wage [the only scale that counts] would buy:

  • SIX packs of brand name cigarettes [over a half-carton] [today it will buy TWO packs of sawdust.]

  • THIRTY-TWO gallons of major name gasoline - pumped for you, oil checked and windshield cleaned. [today it will buy roughly THREE gallons of the do-it-yourself stuff from who knows where.]

  • About TWO paper grocery bags filled with food. [today, you'll get ONE plastic WalMart carry-thingee with a couple-three items of food tainted by Chinese and other imported goods.]

All brought to you by over Fifty years of Congressional tax-and-spend, Executive-branch Social Engineering experiments, replacing the gold and silver backed dollar with promises of politicians.

September 26, 2010 at 4:26 p.m.
rolando said...

Oops. I used today's min wage to calculate the last two instead of yesteryear's.

  • Cigarettes cost ratio is correct
  • Gasoline should be FIVE gallons
  • Should be ONE filled paper bag
September 26, 2010 at 4:32 p.m.
whatever said...

Picking and choosing your items doesn't work.

Or do you think I'd like paying 1,000 dollars for a television that's less than 20 inches in screen size?

Maybe a computer for 200 bucks that can't hold the content of more than one or two books, and that's text-only, no pictures?

Distortion is all too easy when you're selective about it.

September 26, 2010 at 4:52 p.m.
rolando said...

Well, by grannies! They were still worth something so I never bothered defacing one to check.

September 26, 2010 at 4:53 p.m.
whatever said...

BTW, it's not Congress increasing the cost of gas, it's the companies producing it.

Their profit levels have steadily gone up over the years.

September 26, 2010 at 4:58 p.m.
rolando said...

One doesn't need TVs or computers to live.

Or DO you?

Vital necessities are hardly "picking and choosing".

Indeed, selection IS distorting, especially since neither of your examples were commonly available at that time.

You refuse to recognize the common denominator -- an hour's labor for the same item. Perhaps you should compare the cost of a pencil and paper to that of a computer; a book to a TV, etc.

September 26, 2010 at 5:01 p.m.
whatever said...

One doesn't need TVs or computers to live.

I'm using them as examples of distortion, not necessity.

Or DO you?

No more than you do Gasoline or Cigarettes.

Vital necessities are hardly "picking and choosing".

Food was your only example that qualifies as a vital necessity. You were remarkably non-specific about what food items were in your bags.

Pardon me for not being able to offer counter-examples when you were just throwing a vague case out. Some items may have gone up...others have drastically gone down, even becoming non-seasonal what with increased preservation and transportation.

But if you want to look it up, there are some places that track food costs as a percentage of income, or as how long you had to work to buy a given food item.

The results might surprise you.

Indeed, selection IS distorting, especially since neither of your examples were commonly available at that time.

I chose them for illustrative purposes for just that reason. Was that not obvious to you?

I could have picked other items, but I wanted to work from memory.

You refuse to recognize the common denominator -- an hour's labor for the same item. Perhaps you should compare the cost of a pencil and paper to that of a computer; a book to a TV, etc.

You refuse to recognize the wide diversity in how values change over time. Technology is just one, labor wages change, resources, inflation are others.

Go check somebody who has done some work on the subject:

http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/

Otherwise you're just another person saying nonsense without realizing how it's only their own nostalgic myopia blinding them to the real picture.

People have done real work and research on this subject, but I'm sure it makes you far too uncomfortable to look for the truth so you'll just continue blaming me instead of realizing that maybe you aren't being accurate yourself.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

September 26, 2010 at 5:19 p.m.
whatever said...
September 26, 2010 at 5:22 p.m.
hambone said...

rolando and whatever, In those days say 1953, minimum wage was 40 cents if you were lucky. there were no computers just mechanical adding machines or slide rules. A car got about 8 miles to the gallon but cost under $1000 new. In 1960 I paid $2 for a carton of smokes in port ( $1 at sea) but I managed to quit before they killed me. Ther were no interstate highways, a trip to Atlanta or Nashville was a overnight deal.

Good old days?

September 26, 2010 at 5:22 p.m.
whatever said...

Good old days?

Only in some ways, worse in others.

It's like aging, your mind might do better, but after a while your body gets worse.

So it goes, so it goes.

September 26, 2010 at 5:25 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I was not around for the 50s, but I do know that birth control was either unavailable, illegal or unreliable. From a female perspective, those were definitely NOT the good old days. Currently reading Tom Brokaw's book "Boom" and finding it fascinating, including the part about women's lib.

September 26, 2010 at 5:29 p.m.
woody said...

Okay, I get it..we've moved on from cartoon ideology to what we can purchase for an hour's work then and now. I could probably play 'the game' too, but I'd rather ask Alprova what the heck he said in French awhile back.

I admit, my high school French has deteriorated down to just a few words, and try as I might I couldn't translate the ones you wrote. I guess I must have been the only ignorant one in the bunch, but please fill in the blanks.

Thank you, Woody

September 26, 2010 at 5:30 p.m.
whatever said...

At least they had sterile procedure. A century before then, well...good luck convincing a doctor to wash his hands.

September 26, 2010 at 5:32 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

BTW, gas, taking into account inflation, is cheaper now than in the past compared with most products we buy, as I understand it. Don't know the reason why, though. In dollars, food items are higher (but these is far more variety available all year) clothing is a little higher, but gas is down.

September 26, 2010 at 5:36 p.m.
moonpie said...

Woody,

alprova said no one can provoke him today.

He's trying to stay a neutral party.

September 26, 2010 at 5:45 p.m.
rolando said...

"BTW, it's not Congress increasing the cost of gas, it's the companies producing it."

You [deliberately??] confuse a company's "profit margin" with its "profit".

Simplistically stated, a company's "profit" is the gross income in dollars less the costs to produce it.

On the other hand, "profit margin" is the percentage of money a company keeps of each dollar of revenue. It is a much more accurate picture of how the company is doing, cost/return wise.

Over the last 10 years, Exxon -- the world's largest -- has recorded a profit margin ranging from about 7-8% -- that's ONE percentage spread in 10 years. See ycharts.com

Most increases in the cost of gas is due to the decreasing value of the dollar -- and THAT is the doing of government.

September 26, 2010 at 5:47 p.m.
rolando said...

I don't know where you got your minimum wage figure, hambone, but my first job in 1955 was at Calif minimum wage -- $1.25 per hour. Entry level jobs at that wage were plentiful. Different part of the country, I guess. Cigs were 18 cents, gas was 25 cents. I worked in a grocery store as a bagger.

September 26, 2010 at 5:56 p.m.
whatever said...

Ahem, I said profit levels, didn't I?

Besides, as we've already said, the price of Gasoline as real costs go has decreased anyway.

And aren't we talking about a scale greater than 10 years anyway?

September 26, 2010 at 5:56 p.m.
rolando said...

I don't recall saying anything about those being the "good ole days", lkeith. They weren't.

Condoms were in -- they have returned since the mid-80s AIDS threat.

Abortions were illegal as such but were done by doctors in hospitals/clinics [real ones] anyway. They called them a "D&C".

Simply put, The Pill revolutionized our society to the point that business women complain that "All the good men are either gay or married.'

Basically, we are again in agreement.

September 26, 2010 at 6:02 p.m.
rolando said...

"BTW, gas, taking into account inflation, is cheaper now than in the past..."

Which was sorta my point, lkeith. Question is, what [and who] causes inflation? Basing the dollar on promises doesn't help.

September 26, 2010 at 6:06 p.m.
rolando said...

A one percentage point rise in profit margin over a 10 year period is hardly a significant increase. If you want to follow it back to the Pennsylvania strike, feel free. Just be sure to include inflation, huh? Ten years give the picture.

September 26, 2010 at 6:12 p.m.
whatever said...

Did you know for the year ending 1976 that Disco sales were up 400%??

September 26, 2010 at 6:13 p.m.
rolando said...

I'm using them as examples of distortion, not necessity.No more than you do Gasoline or CigarettesFood was your only example that qualifies as a vital necessity.You were remarkably non-specific about what food items were in your bags.Pardon me for not being able to offer counter-examples when you were just throwing a vague case out.But if you want to look it up, there are some places that track food costs as a percentage of income, or as how long you had to work to buy a given food item.You refuse to recognize the wide diversity in how values change over time. Technology is just one, labor wages change, resources, inflation are others....it's only their own nostalgic myopia blinding them to the real picture.Feel free to prove me wrong.<

That is self-evident.

September 26, 2010 at 6:26 p.m.
whatever said...

Somebody's afraid to be refuted. What a surprise.

September 26, 2010 at 6:32 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Wow, that's pretty strange that we have agreed on something again, rolando.

Yeah, I know about the ol' D & C. Pretty much available to white women with money. Not so for the rest of us. Roe changed that.

Being a woman in a male-dominated area , I remember having my career goals not considered serious. But more telling, I remember businesses (auto dealers in particular) not treating me like a customer, but speaking only to my spouse (if I brought him along, that is)

September 26, 2010 at 7:14 p.m.
BobMKE said...

Rolando,

Thank you for your compliment. I had to look up the word "Enmity" which means "Quality of being the enemy." I'll wear that distinction with honor. The response from the lefties who post here is deafening.

September 26, 2010 at 7:23 p.m.
whatever said...

But more telling, I remember businesses (auto dealers in particular) not treating me like a customer, but speaking only to my spouse (if I brought him along, that is)

Still happens in this day and age, particularly in the garages.

September 26, 2010 at 7:31 p.m.
hambone said...

Federal minimum wage in 1955 $.75 per hour applied to employers involved in interstate business only.

September 26, 2010 at 7:34 p.m.
whatever said...

The response from the lefties who post here is deafening.

Don't take too much pride in your feelings of oppression and persecution, you'll end up having to join in the pride march with the peace-loving hippies and the integrationists.

September 26, 2010 at 7:35 p.m.
whatever said...

Federal minimum wage in 1955 $.75 per hour applied to employers involved in interstate business only.

Worth 6.78 in today's dollars.

September 26, 2010 at 7:37 p.m.
Clara said...

Woody,

Wasn't it you who wanted a translation of alprova's French?

I lost the translator and spell check I had when I had an attack of malware but here's the one I picked up on Google.

http://translation.babylon.com/

September 26, 2010 at 10:17 p.m.
Clara said...

I remember starting work after WWII in 1947 as a store clerk at $21 a week. As I remember that was 4X as much as I received in USMC which was $21 a month,but with food and shelter thrown in. I managed to get a room at $3.00 a week in an attic with the roof 4 ft. over my head which was actually more than my double bunk in the barracks. It wasn't that shabby and I had the run of the house otherwise, with LOTS of books.

Also had an occasional meal by good-hearted landlady thrown in. The landlord introduced me to spelunking.

They had another young boarder who believed in little green men on Mars. Seriously!

Sorry! Another trip down memory lane.

September 26, 2010 at 10:37 p.m.
alprova said...

Woody wrote: "...but I'd rather ask Alprova what the heck he said in French awhile back.

I admit, my high school French has deteriorated down to just a few words, and try as I might I couldn't translate the ones you wrote. I guess I must have been the only ignorant one in the bunch, but please fill in the blanks.


Sorry Woody, I'm happy to fill in the blanks.

I wrote;

"In honor of our French Canadian friends who are big fans of Clay Bennett's work, I declare that this is a fight free day, no matter how one may try to start World War III.

I declare a truce for a day."

September 27, 2010 at 12:13 a.m.
acerigger said...

Rolando,

Thank you for your compliment. I had to look up the word "Enmity" which means "Quality of being the enemy." I'll wear that distinction with honor. The response from the lefties who post here is deafening. Username: BobMKE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>'Scuze me bobMKE, but I ain't seen nor heard ANY response to your post 'cept rolando's

September 27, 2010 at 12:22 a.m.
alprova said...

Rolando wrote: "Simplistically stated, a company's "profit" is the gross income in dollars less the costs to produce it."


A simpler way to put it would be to say that profit is the total figure in sales minus the total expense of bringing the service or product to market.


"On the other hand, "profit margin" is the percentage of money a company keeps of each dollar of revenue. It is a much more accurate picture of how the company is doing, cost/return wise."


Actually, a profit margin can be a rather deceptive manner in which to disguise profit. 8% doesn't sound like much, but if you sell 1,000,000 times more product, your profit is going to go through the roof.

For instance, If the cost of bringing a gallon of gasoline to market is $1.75 a gallon, and added federal, state, and local fuel taxes that must be collected at the pump drive the base price per gallon up another .54 cents, The base price of a gallon of gas is now $2.29 a gallon.

Using the aforementioned percentage of 8%, Exxon adds another .14 cents per gallon to the price for their cut. Now We're up to $2.43 per gallon. The retailer average is about a nickel per gallon. The final retail price is now $2.48 per gallon.

To simplify things, let's say that Exxon sells 1 billion gallons of gasoline. Their profit margin of 8% sounds rather low, compared to profit margins for other industries, but do the math;

Gross sales will total $2.48 billion. Taxes collected and deducted from the sales figure will come to $540 million. That leaves $1.94 billion Deduct the cost to produce each gallon of gas of $1.75 billion. That leaves $190 million dollars. Deduct the retailer's profits totaling $50 million dollars. That leaves $140 million in net profit for Exxon for each billion gallons of gas that they sell to the public, of course if there were no fluctuating pricing, which of course is impossible, but you get the point.

In 2008, Exxon had sales of $443 BILLION in revenue, with earnings, or a profit of $45.2 BILLION. That's about a 10.2% profit margin, but who's counting?

Let's say I'm a one man show, selling automobiles. Let's say I sold 1,000 cars in 2008. Let's say I made $1,500 per car sold. Let's say that each car was sold for $19,000, out the door. Shelve all other costs and taxes to keep it simple.

My total sales came to $19 million. I paid $17.5 million for the cars I sold. My total profit for the year came to $1.5 million. My profit margin was just shy of 8%, the same as Exxon's.

We may have made the same in terms of profit margin, but what I deposited in my bank and what they deposited in their bank are not even comparable. Profit is profit, no matter how you try to mask it by playing smoke and mirrors.

September 27, 2010 at 1:41 a.m.
Sailorman said...

Al

Good explanation but what's your point? Exxon sales are too high? You need to sell more cars or pick another product?

September 27, 2010 at 9:40 a.m.
BobMKE said...

acerigger,

You are correct. I am a Conservative (part Libertarian) and Rolando is a Libertarian. No Liberal/Socialist/Processive/Status/Social Democrat, or what ever they want to be called, responded to my post after I expressed my views. The only person who has EVER proudly stated what their beliefs are was Clay who said he is a "Social Democrat." The above never have had that kind of courage that Clay has.

September 27, 2010 at 9:48 a.m.
whatever said...

Well, I replied to it, pointing out something you forgot to include.

September 27, 2010 at 10:01 a.m.

As usual, no one picked up on Rolando's salient and wiser point, which is: are we really better off today than in the fifties and sixties? Regardless of whatter's elitist insults, there is better research out there explicating the overall quality of life-stats, then vs now. And that research says quality overall was better then.

No one really believes the past was nothing but "the good ole days". Life was much harder in many ways, sure but I'd hardly call this 'the good now days' for millions of North Americans and Europeans. On top of economic crisis many are facing, there is FAR less family and community support, churches reflect the culture instead of whom they claim to worship, eg. Jesus Christ. For those of us who've lived beyond half a century, many people are much more selfish, narcissistic and cruel than ever before, save in the ages of Babylon, Azteca or Rome.

Condoms break or are never used, Abortion "doctors" are tried for faulty abortions, abandoning still living, aborted babies in trash rooms, or raping the patient while anaesthetized, the Federal Reserve is broke, politicians are more, not less greedy for our money, teens and children now carry guns and kill teachers and other students at random, predators and psychos literally stalk the country instead of one small community, Islamic terrorists are now on our soil and within our institutions, building cells and training the youth population, food is virtually all processed, microwaved, salted, sugared and hormoned beyond comprehension and good sense, cancers and heart diseases are on the rise, drugs cause deleterious side effects, and technology is already proving more of a pain in many ways rather than the "cure" many claim it to be (costs, fees, taxes inherent in many items and services today are also impoverishing us as a whole). And what happens when electrical grids go down?

And then there's our job situation, our production of quality, American-made goods, our self-worth as a nation, our spiritual and emotional state as a people, on and on. Taken as a whole, the West is a mess. The 'third world' is doing better than we are in many areas of life.

September 27, 2010 at 10:04 a.m.
moonpie said...

Bob,

Unlike rolando, I didn't think your earlier post was profound, provocative, or even warranted a response. You rendered an opinion and predictions which very well may prove true.

You now say that others have never declared themselves as a member of a political category. This is just not true. The truth is that you are unaware of others prior declarations at one time, I've seen many poster so declare themselves.

Your ignorance (a word I use to describe my own lack of knowledge at times) is understable. Like you or anyone here, I don't read every post here.

September 27, 2010 at 10:05 a.m.

Re: alpie's french. Reminds me of the 17th century Parisian Fop, remember those pics? He wore tights and those frilly sleeved shirts under short, tight jackets, with a white, powdered wig? Rich. Probably found the french on the translator tool and used it here to impress his gollum following, which it did. As a French-Canadian with family still living in Quebec and a long history there, believe me, no one today but the far-Left, drugged-out kooks blogging on the 'net would "love Clay's work" in Quebec Canada, or anywhere for that matter.

Quebec is and has been for decades a glorified welfare state blaming English Canada for all its woes, while demanding mucho moolah from the rest of the provinces, especially wealthy Ontario, the seat of Federal Gov't. Quebecois are plenty able to work and create on their own as their hardier ancestors have proved historically. But the Left would rather take everyone else's moolah and use it for drugs and trashing the Right folks who support them.

Unfortunately, the Left 'intelligentsia' and the FLQ Quebecois terrorists in my day did much to drag the country down, as do the Left here today. Deja vue. Same ole, same ole. For two sides of a story, never, ever trust a Left-Prog. If we haven't learned that truth here on this site, we haven't learned a thing. French Left-Fops indeed, pleaasse spare us.

September 27, 2010 at 10:06 a.m.
whatever said...

And that research says quality overall was better then.

You haven't provided any, sorry.

Try again.

September 27, 2010 at 10:11 a.m.
acerigger said...

"The majority of the voters voting in the future will now embrace the Moderate Democrats and the Conservative Republicans. Left out will be the Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Rangle, Boxer, Waters, Dodd, Frank, The Clintons, McCain, BushII, Etc, types. The voters who support these types will also be left in the dust. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions, what to do">>>>>If you think that all these people are "lefties",then it shows just how far-right you are.Also,it seems to be a characteristic of the right to think they are "seers"with a crystal ball.Myself,I'll take a wait and see approach 'cause I don't think I'd like the taste of crow.

September 27, 2010 at 10:13 a.m.
Clara said...

I don't know how I feel about you higher financial wizards with your numbers.

I just know, generally, that my SS didn't go up for cost of living this year, and earlier, I went to DG to buy a box of crackers that had been costing $1.00. The price of that, and other things had gone up to .25 on the dollar. Also the prices went up in other markets, similarly.

It would have been nice to get a 25% increase in the cost of living. I live about 75 miles from relative civilization. DG is 2 1/2 miles away. Other shopping is anywhere from 12 to 50 miles away. My gas bill...OUCH!

I am unable now to cut my grass myself. It costs me $40.00 to have the front and back cut once a week. I managed to arrange for a neighbor to only cut the back yard once a week for $20, as the front yard is full of trees and not much grows.

Yes, with very frugal living and help from family,and church, I've managed to save something for emergencies, like a new, used car, fridge, septic tank draining, hot water heater,and a storage shed. etc.

Sheesh! When I was a child, a gallon of milk was around .40. That's before WWII. It's around $4.00 now. A subway or trolly ride was 5 cents. This is not corporation finances, this is down to earth survival as some of you are aware.

Will some of you financial geniuses,(genii?)figure this out compared from 1930,say? Not in huge billions of dollars.

September 27, 2010 at 10:15 a.m.
moonpie said...

Please forgive typos, on my antiquated phone, I can't see what I type past line 5.

Bob, I didn't mean to call you "understable", but I do like the word. I, of course, meant understandable....

Have a good day all.

September 27, 2010 at 10:19 a.m.
whatever said...

Will some of you financial geniuses,(genii?)figure this out compared from 1930,say? Not in huge billions of dollars.

Milk? Well, just yesterday I saw this page:

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/07/as-share-of-income-americans-have.html

It's a whole-sale price, but you can see how it has trended downward.

I wouldn't think Retail prices would be that grossly divergent, but if they are, whose fault is it?

September 27, 2010 at 10:38 a.m.
LibDem said...

BobMKE:

I consider myself a Liberal; however, the labels are used so broadly that I think they may be meaningless. Like Conservatives, Liberals have considerable diversity of opinion. I can't speak for others nor can they speak for me. If I had to define a Liberal I would say smart, generous, good-looking, and modest, but that's just me.

(Coincidentally, we Liberal Democrats held our annual state convention last week. We almost filled a booth at Waffle House but were unable to agree on an agenda.)

September 27, 2010 at 10:51 a.m.
Clara said...

Whatever,

Good try but...

Was that the farmer selling to the milk companies? Or the milk companies selling to the outlets?

If it's the farmer's price to the middlemen, the farmers are getting screwed.

Again, I question these broad figures. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LibDem,

I keep insisting I'm an i I (independant Independant) but people keep trying to put me in some sort of catagory.

By the way, 6 person booth or 4 person booth?

September 27, 2010 at 11:04 a.m.
whatever said...

If it's the farmer's price to the middlemen, the farmers are getting screwed.

Why yes, the milk farmers do tend to get screwed. That's why they agitated for government regulation back in the 30s. And note it's not just on a federal basis, but a in some cases a state one.

And they're still arguing today.

Again, I question these broad figures.

Well, plenty of work done on the subject to get answers. Food, however does seem to be a much lower factor into cost of living than it was in the past. I think it's just sticker shock.

September 27, 2010 at 11:23 a.m.
alprova said...

Sailorman wrote: "Al, Good explanation but what's your point?" Exxon sales are too high? You need to sell more cars or pick another product?"


The point is simple. I'm surprised you didn't get it.

Profit margins are offered to excuse hefty profits at a time when there is no basis for unsupported price hikes, as was the case when gas shot up to $4.00 plus a gallon.

Profit margins are the easiest financial statistic to falsify and to manipulate as well.

Anyone who has ever filed a Schedule C or a Corporate Tax return knows it too.

September 27, 2010 at 11:41 a.m.
alprova said...

Canary wrote: "Re: alpie's french. Reminds me of the 17th century Parisian Fop, remember those pics? He wore tights and those frilly sleeved shirts under short, tight jackets, with a white, powdered wig? Rich."


Vous avez une imagination débordante. (You have such a vivid imagination.)


"Probably found the french on the translator tool and used it here to impress his gollum following, which it did."


De toute évidence, il semble avoir inspiré vous de répondre ainsi, bien que moins favorable. (Clearly, it seems to have inspired you to respond as well, although less favorably.)


"As a French-Canadian with family still living in Quebec and a long history there, believe me, no one today but the far-Left, drugged-out kooks blogging on the 'net would "love Clay's work" in Quebec Canada, or anywhere for that matter."


Vous êtes aussi français que l'une frite française. Votre histoire d'insultes combinées avec votre attitude prouver que vous êtes effectivement de New York. (You are as French as a French fry. Your history of insults combined with your demeanor prove that you are actually from New York.)


"Quebec is and has been for decades a glorified welfare state blaming English Canada for all its woes, while demanding mucho moolah...(snipped)"


Votre ignorance concernant le Québec n'est dépassé que par votre concept ignorants du christianisme. (Your ignorance regarding Quebec is only exceeded by your ignorant concept of Christianity.)

Je vous dois pas d'explications ou des éclaircissements. Je vous informe que vous n'êtes pas la seule personne sur cette planète ayant des liens avec le Québec, ni la seule personne avec la famille qui y vivent. (I owe you no explanations or clarifications. I will inform you that you are not the only person on this planet with ties to Quebec, nor the only person with family living there.)

Eat my shorts. (Eat my shorts.)

September 27, 2010 at 12:41 p.m.
woody said...

Excuse me, Al.. shouldn't that be "...mange' moi undies??"

Sorry..I couldn't resist that one.....

Woody

September 27, 2010 at 2:52 p.m.
BobMKE said...

LibDem

I liked your post.

Acerigger

You're taking a wait and see approach? It is happening right now. The present Democrats, who are running in November, are distancing themselves from Obama. They want "Stick Willie" to come (sorry) and talk them up. The far left of the Democratic Party is mad at Obama because he failed to deliver for them. Several Rinos of the Republican Party didn't even get past their primarys. The conservatives are the future of the Republican Party with a lot of room for the Libertarians. The only way that the Rinos can get elected is declare themselves Moderate Democrats for the future elections. So as I said before, both parties are moving to the right and it is happening right now. Acerigger, I have my core beliefs/values and they will not change. If we lose, so be it. I am not a Ala-cart Conservative or a Ala-cart Christian. I don't want to be on the winning side. I want our elected people to always do the right thing. The elected people serve their party best when they put their Country first. I want this Country to be what it was based on, always following the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

September 27, 2010 at 3:16 p.m.
whatever said...

I want our elected people to always do the right thing.

Then you may want them to be A la carte, because I've found that the right thing is rarely found in a single ideological grouping myself.

If there's one thing that distresses me about factionalism is the tendency to get behind certain positions, and make them defining, to the point where there is no compromise, and no disagreement. You either spout the party line, or you're run out on a rail.

Also the reason why Clinton is popular is because they can point to the times he was in office and say "Look at that, maybe they told you it was bad then, but it wasn't, so don't believe them when they tell you we're so horrible" . He's like the coach for the last championship team, trot him out to show how good things once were.

Obama has the disadvantage of being the man on clean-up, which makes him about as popular as anybody else in his position. But that doesn't mean he's not doing his job properly at all. You could say the same about an exercise coach forcing somebody to do more sit-ups than they like.

Of course, questions of who was really responsible for what happened when they were in office are going to be divisive.

September 27, 2010 at 3:44 p.m.
Sailorman said...

Al

Oh I got your point - I just wanted to see you state it specifically. :)

September 27, 2010 at 3:54 p.m.
junepop55 said...

Anyone else notice that when Canary called out Al for being foppish because he used French, she (don't know Canary's sex, just flipped a coin) subconsciously typed the French phrase "deja vue"?

For more humorous Canary fun, check this out: http://www.canary.50webs.com/

September 27, 2010 at 4:27 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

OMG june-that's hilarious! A much needed laugh break on a busy work day.

September 27, 2010 at 5:07 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Rolando the hero of the GOP !

Good day sir.

September 27, 2010 at 5:28 p.m.
FM_33 said...

The majority of the voters voting in the future will now embrace the Moderate Democrats and the Conservative Republicans. Left out will be the Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Rangle, Boxer, Waters, Dodd, Frank, The Clintons, McCain, BushII, Etc, types. The voters who support these types will also be left in the dust. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions, what to do. Username: BobMKE | On: September 26, 2010 at 2:09 p.m.


Damn BobMike that's one hell of a post.

September 27, 2010 at 5:30 p.m.
FM_33 said...

To put this post in perspective there are really four parties operating during these polictical times; 1. Liberal/Socialist/Progressive (Clay's the only one in these posts that admits he is a "Social Democrat") Username: BobMKE | On: September 26, 2010 at 2:09 p.m.


Most progressives fall into this slot and when you ask them are they in that slot they tend to give you the cold dead fish look and then will say " What'cha say" !

September 27, 2010 at 5:32 p.m.
FM_33 said...

(Coincidentally, we Liberal Democrats held our annual state convention last week. We almost filled a booth at Waffle House but were unable to agree on an agenda.) Username: LibDem | On: September 27, 2010 at 10:51 a.m.


Hey can i come to the next meeting sir ?

September 27, 2010 at 5:34 p.m.
FM_33 said...

HOPE....Harry, Obama, & Pelosi Evicted. Username: Oz | On: September 26, 2010 at 11:50 a.m.


Ozzy the other ones might fade into the limelight but President Obama is a lodge man.

Prince Hall Mason .......that is.

September 27, 2010 at 5:36 p.m.
FM_33 said...

LibDem,

I keep insisting I'm an i I (independant Independant) but people keep trying to put me in some sort of catagory.

By the way, 6 person booth or 4 person booth? Username: Clara | On: September 27, 2010 at 11:04 a.m.


Don't feel like you're alone Clara because they have been doing that to me since 1987.

September 27, 2010 at 5:38 p.m.
FM_33 said...

Clara, I remember when a dollar would really get you something in Brainerd on saturday. Southland Skating Rink all morning. 2 Krystals and a coke for lunch Brainerd Theater for 10 cents in the afternoon

Some of us are still around!! Username: hambone | On: September 26, 2010 at 12:44 p.m.


Gee Hambone those where the days.

September 27, 2010 at 5:39 p.m.
moonpie said...

June,

I'm astounded!

canary,

You've achieved epic status!

September 27, 2010 at 5:40 p.m.
FM_33 said...

http://translation.babylon.com/ Username: Clara | On: September 26, 2010 at 10:17 p.m.


http://translation.covenantofdeath.com/

Is the correct link Clara but the editor did not wont people to know he was a member of it.

Nuff Said

September 27, 2010 at 5:42 p.m.
alprova said...

Junepop55 wrote: "Anyone else notice that when Canary called out Al for being foppish because he used French, she (don't know Canary's sex, just flipped a coin) subconsciously typed the French phrase "deja vue"?

For more humorous Canary fun, check this out: http://www.canary.50webs.com"


I noticed that immediately, and I chuckled when I saw it too.

I don't know how you did it, but that is the most hilarious site I have ever seen erected to honor a most deserving forum troll.

You're a GENIUS!! Now we all can converse with Canary on his own level, and he/she will now understand us.

September 27, 2010 at 6:10 p.m.
alprova said...

Woody wrote: "Excuse me, Al.. shouldn't that be "...mange' moi undies??" Sorry..I couldn't resist that one....."


LOL!! That's pretty good. "Shorts" has no French equivalent.

"manger mes sous-vêtements" would be the formal way to put it, and I truly wasn't even thinking of undies at the time. I was thinking Bart Simpson...

I didn't really want to extend too personal an invitation to Canary, because you never know what some people will take you up on, and everyone knows that our relationship to date has been rather public, and we haven't even kissed yet.

September 27, 2010 at 6:45 p.m.
rolando said...

And a good evening to you, FM_33...

Hope your day was as fine as mine.

I am now running on fiber-optic cable, phone, and TV and it is FINE.

ComCast/ATT/Dish can suck rocks. Saved 30 bucks/mo, to boot.

September 27, 2010 at 8:22 p.m.
Clara said...

junepop55

If they aren't the perfect example of schizophrenic word salad,and big birds outpourings, just ask a psychiatrist.

It is up to her to commit herself though.

I'm sorry, Canary, but it was hilarious.

How did you do it? Is it like the programs that have lately been advertised that make you younger, older, or a cartoon character?

September 27, 2010 at 9:06 p.m.
Clara said...

FM,

The site wouldn't come up for me and I tried several times.

Babylon does fine, though I don't like their small translation boxes.

September 27, 2010 at 9:25 p.m.
Clara said...

Do you think Dudly could come out and fix my computer?

Good Night, ALL!

It's been a great session!

September 27, 2010 at 9:28 p.m.
Oz said...

Could Junepop55 be miraweb?

September 27, 2010 at 10:19 p.m.

clara the naive: "How did you do it? Is it like the programs that have lately been advertised that make you younger, older, or a cartoon character?" (S)he (It) went to PC World and Huffington Post where her fellow children of the cornfields aka the sickest Left Gollums in the universe go to learn their craft. What sick, vindictive, pitiful beings you are. Jesus Himself said the next time (soon) He's not coming in peace. He's coming in Wrath-deal with it Demons.

Interesting how little ole me and Sarah Palin, who do and say nothing to compare with the murderous hate that pours out of the ones above who love to hate all Christians no matter how 'nice' they are, have attracted the hateful Left-I mean we're nothing, eh? Ah, so much time they have to waste and to hate.

I'm just glad all your true faces are here for the rest (if any decent ones are left) to see how you operate, what sick lies you print daily and how it's the Christian Lord you really hate-hate with all the evil you can muster in one posting. Pretending to 'befriend' the naive and the duped, baiting them and then slamming them with what? Facts? Hardly. All we see here is twisted opinion and invective.

Miraweb/junepoppedherbrain sounds and looks like she's the one with a close relationship with Lucifer/Beezlebub. The vindictive hatred is interesting. I've met quite a few recently with that kind of surreal hatred of God's people, some even pretending to be Christian. Big surprise. Final warning Christians. They're in your midst, even in your churches and they're pure Evil. Fear nothing. They know their time is almost over and it ain't going to be pretty-the ending that is.

They managed to scare off the decent ones who used to post here. Could it be the boring, juvenile garbage being drivelled here daily is chasing away real debate? The trashers above do not debate, do nothing but slobber over each other and kiss up to Clay. It's a virtual demon love fest here. You guys want your dung heap here, kings and queens? Be our guest, you all just continue until the day of Wrath when the outer darkness swallows you up and we can say good riddance to bad rubbish. Bubs. Have fun twistin' that up. That's what you sickos do so well.

September 29, 2010 at 7 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Which decent ones are those, Oh Wearer of the Tinfoil Hat?

September 29, 2010 at 7:27 p.m.
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