published Thursday, April 28th, 2011

Deep dislike of ObamaCare

It is not surprising that a Democrat-controlled Congress, working with a Democrat president, managed to enact ObamaCare a little over a year ago. After all, supporters of the law had promised — bizarrely — that it would control medical costs while simultaneously extending coverage to tens of millions more Americans.

And yet, the public never got nearly as excited about ObamaCare as the president and Democrats in Congress did. Even if most Americans — and many members of Congress — didn’t know all the details, the public had enough sense to realize, from the experience of huge cost overruns in other entitlement programs, that ObamaCare would not cut costs. Because of that and ObamaCare’s other problems, opinion polls on the law didn’t show big support for it around the time it passed.

But what is amazing and encouraging is that the public still hasn’t been bamboozled by all the hype about ObamaCare. Ever since it passed, ObamaCare has gotten consistently low marks in opinion surveys. The Democrats’ hoped-for acceptance of the law simply has not materialized.

In fact, the public is souring on ObamaCare even further. A recent Associated Press-GfK poll found that only about one-third of Americans now support the law! That’s the least support the law has had since its enactment in 2010. Among senior citizens, just 29 percent back ObamaCare — and nearly 60 percent are against it. That may be because they are aware of how ObamaCare will shuffle money out of Medicare to pay for the law’s big new spending.

Meanwhile, a recent Rasmussen Reports survey of likely voters finds a majority want ObamaCare repealed outright. Rasmussen has never found less than 50 percent support for repeal since the law passed, and never have more than 43 percent of respondents opposed repeal.

The man whom the president appointed as the head of Medicare, Donald Berwick, casually dismissed Americans’ opposition to ObamaCare. He said the public is in a “psychological trap, where nothing looks good,” the AP reported.

Actually, the public has its eyes wide open on ObamaCare and has seen through the budgetary smoke and mirrors that were used to pass it. Whatever ails U.S. medical care — and it certainly has problems — the American people realize that more federal control and spending is no solution.

Repeal of ObamaCare will be hard and may never happen. But Republicans in Congress who oppose it have strong support from the public, and should continue seeking to dismantle this unconstitutional law.

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ceeweed said...

45 Million Americans without health insurance. Our private insurance industry dictates to doctors how they can treat their own patients, from the tests they can order to the medication that they can prescribe. All the while insurance companies are turning billions in profits. People are having major surgery and being sent home the same day. Poor people on medicaid are denied access to specialists.

...And then their are those who think medicare is a free ride. My friend draws $1068.00 a month in disability benefits, he pays $118.00 a month for medicare part B, another $45.00 a month for medicare part D (a gift to big pharma from George W.), he pays another $280.00 a month in co-pays for just four different medicines, add to that $230.00 a month for medigap insurance just to protect the few meager assets he has. Imagine living on $395.00 a month.

I am not cheering Obamacare but those of you who think our health care delivery system is the best have never been seriously ill or injured. Face it, our system leaves a lot of people wanting.

April 28, 2011 at 12:50 a.m.
nucanuck said...

A country that does not make universal education and universal healh care top priorities, is a country failing it's people.

April 28, 2011 at 1:43 a.m.

L4F,

That's wrong with people opposing Obama's healthcare reform, the response to anyone that agrees with universal healthcare is always, "go to another country if you don't like the way things are!" which is such a childish response. Whether you believe in universal education and healthcare you have to admit that what we have right now does not work. Our public school system is HORRIBLE! Most inner city schools have students sharing textbooks because there isn't enough funding. The books they share are usually years old/irrelevant by the time they are donated by private schools once they are done with them. We no longer lead the way in academics in any subject, especially mathematics. Go to a grocery store, checkout at register that has a teen cashier, and when your total comes to $12.38 give them a $20 bill. Watch the panic come over them until the register calculates the change they should give back to the customer, basic math skills! We fail our youth in education in so many ways its mind boggling.

April 28, 2011 at 9:16 a.m.
librul said...

I guess power wasn't interrupted to the old clattering teletype in the back room of the "news-free" press printing those RNC releases.

Hello, hello - is there a journalist in the house?

April 28, 2011 at 9:46 a.m.
nucanuck said...

L4F,

You are right, Cuba is a good case in point. As a country with nothing, under a punishing US embargo, with the price of sugar (their principle source of income) suppressed by the US, Cuba somehow managed to educate and provide basic health care, an amazing accomplishment.

Now as the US economic system is sinking,Cuba is poised to to continue to progress. Yes, they are poor, but they are working together rather the internal rupture we are experiencing in the US. Income disparity is far less, making social unrest less likely.

And Cuba already knows how to operate with very little oil per capita, a lesson that we in the US are about to learn. Cuba may inadvertantly be an example we could learn from.

As to moving to Cuba, I am reasonably fluent in Spanish, but I really don't like hot climates. Here in Canada, where I now live, education and health care are top priorities, something I always wished for during my 65 years in the US. Also, I might add, free enterprise and capitalism co-exist nicely in Canada where WE takes precedent over ME in public policy and private preference.

Just remember, Somalia is the most libertarian country on earth.

April 28, 2011 at 12:24 p.m.
nucanuck said...

L4F,

I would define WEism as always considering what's best for all ahead of what might be best for me, but possibly bad for my neighbor. It's the plain and simple concept of consideration for others in our daily actions.

Canada actually has a WE Day where the young are taught how every individual can make a difference by thoughtfully focusing their efforts toward a better community, nation, and world.

Last Fall my granddaughter came home saying WE Day was the best day of her life,so far. She is determined to make a difference in her world, but certainly doesn't lack personal ambition.

Libertarianism for 7 billion people would prove quite challenging unless it is considered as a harsh population reduction plan.

April 28, 2011 at 3:02 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Our system is not perfect and everyone agrees some kind of reform is appropriate. obamacare builds on everything that is wrong with US healthcare and threatens to destroy what remains of what is right.

I find it amazing that anyone would still be in support of this horrible legislation.

April 28, 2011 at 3:14 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

What this editor always fails to mention when speaking of the large number of people who don't like "Obamacare" is that at least half, if not more, of those who say they don't like it don't like it because it is not far reaching enough, with too much control still in the hands of private insurance companies. I don't like it either but only because Obama caved in on the public option without even trying to make it part of the plan, and there are really no cost-saving measures that I can see.

Some things the private sector can do better than government. But the health care of our citizenry should not be considered a commodity, to be made a profit off of, like cars or furniiture. My mom has had Medicare for 24 years and is alive and healthy today only because of it. She has never been denied treatment or had to worry about certain prodedures not being covered. No private insurance company would have done as much without bankrupting her and then cancelling her policy altogether.

So, Mr. Editor, you can count me among those who do not like "Obamacare." But only because it's not nearly socialistic enough. You can make love to the private insurance companies all you want and lick their boots as they daily sacrifice lives over profits. But as for me, I'll continue to speak out for universal health care for all Americans, as a right, not a privilege for only the rich and the fortunate.

April 28, 2011 at 5:13 p.m.
Plato said...

90% of the people that respond to these polls don't have the foggiest notion of what is actually in this law. They get their news and talking points from worldnetdaily, fox news and other surrogates of the powerful health insurance and big pharma lobbys which spent over $200 Million on advertising during the bills debate to confuse people on the bills content. Plus morons like Sarah Palin chiming in the disinformation campaign with accusations of 'death panels" "caps" and other nonsense.

Once people are explained what is actually in law, they tend to like it.

The right consistently tries to attack one of the most respected institutions in Washington the congressional budget office that scored this law revenue positive by about 150 Billion over 10 years. Referring to high quality analysis by CBO as "smoke and mirrors" is illustrative of the Right's pattern of substituting ignorance and fear for facts.

Can't wait for the general election when Mitt Romney attempts to explain why Romney Care is great but Obama Care is horrible - when in essence they are quite similar.

April 28, 2011 at 8:09 p.m.
Sailorman said...

And where do you get your news Plato? The back of a cereal box? Or those bastions of impartiality MSNBC and CNN or, even better, Huffington post perhaps?

Once people are explained what is actually in law, they tend to like it.

Really - and you know that how? I've spent painful hours listening to presentations on it, by people who know what they're talking about (they're making tons of money doing it so at least the bill provided employment for some). Neither I nor anyone else that has suffered through these "learning experiences" find much to like. Why don't you share your wisdom and explain why this bill is the godsend you seem to think it is? Please - enlighten me.

The "smoke and mirrors" is in the numbers they were given to analyze. You familiar with the acronym "GIGO"? You apparently don't understand how the CBO works. Why don't you try to do that before making silly accusations?

April 28, 2011 at 10:15 p.m.
Plato said...

Sailorman said...

"And where do you get your news Plato? The back of a cereal box? Or those bastions of impartiality MSNBC and CNN or, even better, Huffington post perhaps?"

How about the Kaiser Family Foundation, something you have probably never heard of because they deal with real hard data, research and analysis of the health care industry.

To be clear, no one is complaining about the elimination of preconditions or the eligible age extension, or the prohibition of caps. The issue the opponents of the Affordable Care Act continually cite is the Individual Mandate that requires the purchase of insurance.

From a recent article published by Winzer Insruance citing the lastest Kaiser poll:

"In the latest monthly tracking poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation, it appears clear that the majority of people are not too keen on the idea of the federal government mandating health insurance. But, the poll also suggests that the lack of support may be due to a misunderstanding of exactly what the insurance mandate means. . . . . .

. . . . .Kaiser found that many respondents clearly did not understand the individual mandate portion of the law. Opposition to the mandate fell to 35 percent when pollsters told respondents who initially opposed the requirement more detail about the mandate"

http://www.winzerinsurance.com/2011/03/happy-birthday-health-care-reform/

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April 28, 2011 at 11:56 p.m.
Plato said...

Sailorman said... "The "smoke and mirrors" is in the numbers they were given to analyze. You familiar with the acronym "GIGO"? You apparently don't understand how the CBO works. "

You guys keep disparaging the numbers the CBO came up with but offer no counter analysis nor do you specify exactly what it is that was "garbage" you keep refereeing to. If you can't explain or at least reference what's your asserting than your argument is worthless.

The fact is the CBO stand staunchly behind it's analysis and totally disputes the propaganda the Republicans were spreading that somehow the Affordable Care act would "cost jobs" and increase the deficit. Quite the opposite is true. From a January 2011 article in Economist's View:

" CBO Paints Grim Picture of Repeal (of the Affordable Care Act), TNR: ...The CBO is projecting that repeal would increase the federal deficit by around $230 billion in the next decade and by an even larger amount after that.

Wait, there's more. The CBO also estimated how repeal would

affect insurance premiums. And, once again, the effect is entirely predictable. Premiums for people buying coverage on their own would fall a bit, but only because people were getting less protective insurance and because many with pre-existing conditions would be locked out of the market altogether. And even though premiums would be lower, many people buying coverage on their own would still end up paying more for their policies, because they would not benefit from the enormous subsidies that the Affordable Care Act makes available.

Speaking of people locked out of the insurance market, the CBO

ran the numbers on the uninsured. An additional 32 million people would be expected to go without health insurance, bringing the percentage of non-elderly adults without coverage to 17 percent, which is more or less what it is today.

So there you have it: According to one of our most reliable

and nonpartisan authorities, repealing the Affordable Care Act would mean higher deficits plus insurance that is less comprehensive, less available, and in many cases more expensive."

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2011/01/cbo-rebuts-republican-claims-about-the-affordable-care-act.html

April 29, 2011 at 12:08 a.m.
Sailorman said...

And "you guys" keep lapping up the pap fed you by Obama and his minions. Sorry plato but I deal with "real" medicare every single day. I see a consant barrage "real hard data, research and analysis of the health care industry". What do you know about it aside from what you glean from your favorite websites? You know, the ones that agree with your statist leanings.

This is old hat but I'll give you two numbers that were NOT a part of the CBO analysis:

  • the doc fix

  • effect on state medicaid programs

The CBO was given blatantly nutty assumptions (we're gonna cut medicare costs by 20,30, 40%) and failure to include legitimate costs. If they left those out, what else did they "forget"?

You said "Once people are explained what is actually in law, they tend to like it." The Winzer article you linked(how hard was it to find them?) referred only to the mandate.

No one denies health delivery and costs need real reform. This wasn't it. A worthless argument is one that continues to ignore reality - like yours.

April 29, 2011 at 7:51 a.m.
Plato said...

Sailorman - I posted documentation and facts from reputable organizations to back up my statements. You respond with opinions and declaring yourself an expert - nothing more.

Needless to say, I'm not impressed.

April 29, 2011 at 9:19 a.m.
Sailorman said...

In other words, you have no response to the two issues left out of the bill. Nor do you want to defend your misinterpretation of the link you posted from your reputable organization. Is there a "reputable" organization that disagrees with your perspective?

Here's one for you though you will no doubt question whether it's from a "reputable source".

"Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said the Senate would take up separate legislation to halt scheduled Medicare cuts in doctor payments over the next 10 years"

"So a long-term Doc Fix wasn't part of the bill, but it was part of the same deal. So, either Reid isn't a man of his word, or the CBO score is misleading us."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/doc-fix-part-obamacare

I didn't declare myself an expert, merely said I deal with it everyday, but if you wish to view me as an expert, by all means, do so.

Needless to say, I'm not impressed.

I'm leaving for the weekend so you can have the last word.

April 29, 2011 at 9:58 a.m.
sgraumann said...

Actually Obamacare is good for some and not so good for the others if you are within the designated guidelines you can get a pretty good policy with savings from your subsidies but if you fall below 15,000 as an individual you are not going to get help.

Medicaid was not expanded in Tennessee so that leaves a lot of folks without medicaid or any way to get coverage.

If you are within the fpl poverty level you will get a fairly good deal!

http://tennesseeobamacarehelp.com

December 28, 2013 at 11:54 a.m.
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