published Saturday, August 6th, 2011

The Handout

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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BigRidgePatriot said...
August 6, 2011 at 12:17 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

More partisan crap from Clay Bennnett. How this guy keeps his job is beyond me.

August 6, 2011 at 12:21 a.m.
frettfull said...

He keeps his job by pushing buttons. And illuminates the truth more often than not.

August 6, 2011 at 12:37 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

TEA BAGGER LOGIC

I think Clay nailed this one. He illustrates quite clearly the republican response to unemployment: not just do nothing, do less than nothing. Republican understanding of basic economics has been an abysmal failure since Reagan trotted out supply side voodoo economics in 1981. When ever Reagan tax rates are in place the United States racks up massive debt. Period. Historically accurate. Indisputably factual, the poorest stewards of our economic viability EVER. And yet time and time again republicans try to cast themselves in the role of financial gurus, the fiscal geniuses who know better than anyone on how to 'FIX' the economy. And by 'FIX,' I mean make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

I'll never understand why Obama would cave to extending Bush's version of the Reagan tax code. But he's saddled with it now we are all paying the predictable economic consequence. Remember what happened when Clinton raised the top tax rate 3%? That's okay. Republicans don't either.

Clay also points out that republicans are vehemently against the President personally and have been from day one. Whatever he is for, they are against. If he is for something one day they are against it. If he changes his mind to agree with them they change their minds, too, just to stay on the opposite side. They can never say yes to anything. They obviously plot each and every political move to screw, embarrass, and/or humiliate the president, and by proxy US.

Last night (8-5) Standard & Poors issued a statement, in a stinging indictment of the current political climate in Washington, downgraded America's credit rating to AA+. While government officials are pushing back and questioning S&P's math, the downgrade was more the agency's concern with republican leaders openly doubting the need to raise the debt ceiling in the first place and laughing off the economic consequences if we actually did default.

Republicans are cheering the downgrade, by the way. The don't see it as a political misstep. It's all part of the plan. Republicans believe that if they blow up the economy they can use the pieces to pave a GOP road to the White House in 2012.

You might consider republican behavior pathetic. You might see it as an indictment of a once proud political party. Their obstructionism might make you want to vomit, but I have one more sugar plum that might put you over the edge:

It just might work.

August 6, 2011 at 1:48 a.m.
trburrows said...

bw you fool, its not reagan, its oooobbbaaammmaaa. get over it. the year is 2011. by the way, are you black?

August 6, 2011 at 2 a.m.
OllieH said...

BigRidgePatriot- Although you are constantly complaining about Clay Bennett, your obsession with him is as obvious as the avatar than accompanies each vitriolic post.

In the past month (since July 6th), you have posted exactly 187 comments on the Times Free Press web site. Of those 187 comments, 171 were directed at Bennett cartoons (and remember, this was a month in which Clay took a week off). You may hate Clay, but apparently you LOVE to hate him.

Which bring me to my question: why in the world do you want him gone?

You obviously follow his work quite closely. You comment on virtually everything he draws. Even today, you were the first reader to comment, posting just minutes after his cartoon was released. Recognizing the fixation you have on Clay Bennett, why would you want the object of your obsession to go away?

In the spirit of full disclosure, I am a big fan of Clay Bennett's cartoons, so most of my comments are related to his work, as well. But in my case, that only amounts to 16 total comments in the past month (17 including this one). I think it would be devastating if Clay Bennett was no longer a part of the Times Free Press, but considering your absolute preoccupation with his cartoons, I think you would be devastated as well.

August 6, 2011 at 2:10 a.m.
OllieH said...

trburrows writes, "by the way, are you black?"

To which I would ask trburrows- is your robe white?

August 6, 2011 at 2:15 a.m.
hambone said...

Some would say that BRP would have a lonely life without Clay Bennett to kick around.

No, he has a lonely life already!

August 6, 2011 at 4:02 a.m.
mymy said...

Well here we go again. The Blame Game.

Last double dip recession was during Reagan, but the reason: Reagan Tax cuts passed in 1981. Everybody (Reagan and Congress) worried about the debt so they were phased in (the mistake that brought on the double dip)). Nothing happened till they took effect in 1983 and things took off. Boy, they took off.

http://video.foxnews.com/#/v/1094994303001/path-to-double-dip-recession/?playlist_id=86856

August 6, 2011 at 4:58 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

b48, the cartoon was about jobs, not tax rates. Our President's first major thang was the "stimulus" bill. It didn't work. Maybe firing him would. Presidents Harding and Coolidge did "nothing" about a recession, and it went away. Presidents Harding and FDR practiced Obamanomics and gave us the Great Depression, followed by years of enforced consumer saving during WWII, followed by a federal spending cut of about 50% in a year at the end of the war, followed by a small dip and 50-odd years of prosperity.

"Clay also points out that republicans are vehemently against the President personally and have been from day one." Is Clay vehemently against the Tea Party personally? Disagreeing with Sarah Palin is one thing, but drawing her as ugly was a truly creative touch; he works hard to be nasty.

The other side of the cartoon, or of life, is that along with getting rid of harmful policies we should be personally generous, as Jesus Christ is, in ways that truly help people. If you give your money, you're being generous ("liberal"?); if politicians give your money, they're being hypocritical. The President of presidents and Mayor of mayors gave his life on his cross--He did not crucify the taxpayers.

August 6, 2011 at 5:55 a.m.
woody said...

Andrew, Andrew, Andrew..first of all no president can pass a bill. And, excuse me, I was under the impression jobs were to be forthcoming if none of those 'loopholes' were taken away from those 'who create jobs.'

And now, "Strike Three!" Standard and Poors has lowered our credit rating from AAA to AA+. No no Andrew, the onus is not on the president, but on all of those conservative fools who refused to "see the forest for the trees...."..Woody

August 6, 2011 at 6:37 a.m.
jimbob said...

I have to agree with Woody on this one.

August 6, 2011 at 7:09 a.m.
EaTn said...

As the cartoon implies, the missing link in jobs is greedy right-wingers. The stimulus did it's intended function by priming the pump with money to get consumers spending and businesses hiring. Well, the first part worked but some in the business community found that short term-creaming the profits and working existing employees harder and longer hours was more important than long term growth.

August 6, 2011 at 7:12 a.m.

The buck stops at the top.

I can't think of one reason to give President Obama a second term.

Not one reason. Though he may not have caused all of the problems, he certainly made them worse. In addition, I don't think he shows much empathy for those who are struggling.

He's the opposite of what I thought he was when I voted for him.

August 6, 2011 at 7:25 a.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: Is Clay vehemently against the Tea Party personally?

Is he against the party? No. But a great deal of the people who call themselves "Tea Partiers" leave a lot to be desired.

Disagreeing with Sarah Palin is one thing, but drawing her as ugly was a truly creative touch; he works hard to be nasty.

In my opinion, any beauty to be seen in that woman's face is erased the minute she opens her vitriolic spewing mouth. Clay's depictions of her have been rather accurate in my opinion as well.

August 6, 2011 at 7:28 a.m.
alprova said...

MyMy wrote: Last double dip recession was during Reagan, but the reason: Reagan Tax cuts passed in 1981. Reagan and Congress worried about the debt so they were phased in. Nothing happened till they took effect in 1983 and things took off. Boy, they took off.

Something else "took off" under Reagan's tutelage as a result of those seemingly innocent tax cuts, called severe deficit spending. As a result of those tax cuts, the debt ceiling was raised 18 times while he was in office.

August 6, 2011 at 7:38 a.m.
alprova said...

bkondebutnotdumb wrote: I can't think of one reason to give President Obama a second term.

Well that's okay. Just stand aside and those of us who have a clue will vote for him again and usher him into a second term.

Though he may not have caused all of the problems, he certainly made them worse.

You know, people say this all the time, but I have a question that has never to date been answered.

How EXACTLY has he personally made the problems that plague this country worse? Experts seem to disagree with that assessment of yours. He's been responsible for urging Congress to pass legislation that includes the policies of the Republican party, when it came to cutting taxes for small businesses.

The stimulus package that he instituted and that he stuck his neck out for, may not have resulted in creating very many permanent jobs, but there are construction projects for infrastructure all over the nation that got a boost of funds, that was much appreciated by planners in those various cities.

Despite the claims of some, the economy has been improving for many months, when looked at across the country. It's been a slow but progressive movement upward. You'll never hear the truth from those who are proven Obama beaters, nor will you read or hear the truth on Fox News media outlets.

Has everything the President worked out as planned? No. But the man is doing as good a job as anyone else who may have been elected other than himself could have done.

At no time in my life have I witnessed more abject and unfounded criticism being ladled upon the shoulders of an American President by people who call themselves Americans. I'm sure that had I been alive during and after the last depression, I might have read and heard more. I tend to doubt that.

The one thing I do know for sure is that at no time in the history of this nation has there been a collection of more selfish and greedy people who have inhabited these borders.

This is the very reason why the Government steps in to institute social programs. Because despite the assertions of some, private charities and most private citizens do not step up to meet the needs of those who are without the means necessary to take care of themselves and their families, both on a temporary or a permanent basis.

How many Americans , whining about the deficit and the national debt with the means to do so, have ever written a check to the U.S. Treasury to donate a payment towards the debt?

None of them, I am sure.

August 6, 2011 at 8:09 a.m.
limric said...

Right on the money Clay. Well done.

THEY HAVE SUCCESSFULLY STARVED THE BEAST: Chapter 1

Since the Reagan days of sunshine, flowers and ‘The Big Rock Candy Mountain’, Republicans have been on a “starve the beast” campaign – by which they mean eviscerate the government by taking away as much revenue as they can and transferring it to the wealthy.

Starving the beast has been the biggest bait and switch con game that has ever been perpetrated on the American people. Even more so than the Obama’s presidency. And the most tragic.

As Paul Krugman pointed out, Republicans offered popular tax cuts so that they could later cut popular government programs “as a necessity.” Oh, we’d love to continue providing low cost, effective medical care under Medicare, but you see, the country just can’t afford it … Of course we can’t!

Starve the Beast was coupled with a masterful propaganda campaign to make out government as collection of bumbling bureaucrats who wasted tax money for pure pleasure. Long after it became politically impossible to stereotype racial and ethnic groups (with the possible exceptions of Muslims) it was – and is – quite acceptable to characterize government workers as lazy and incompetent.

As a result, once the Republicans succeeded in cutting government revenue to the bone and beyond, it became impossible to raise taxes – who wants to give any more of their hard earned money to a bunch of lazy bureaucrats?

Never mind that most big government programs are far more efficient than their private sector equivalents. That’s an inarguable fact. But we Can’t let that get in the way of starving the beast.

Bait and switch. Divide and Conquer.

So, after starting with a surplus in 2000, Republicans used one war, one scavenger hunt (Iraq), two rounds of tax cuts, and a titanic giveaway to big Pharma, to act like a “teenage boys with car keys and bottle of whiskey”. (P.J. O’Rourke)

Along comes the Bush recession, the debt accelerates, and all of a sudden it’s ALL Obama’s fault and the Republicans declare the debt to be an “emergency”. Then right on schedule, immediately attack popular programs like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Student loans –and virtually anything that doesn’t help the ultra-rich or the corporations suddenly must be cut if we are to stay solvent.

Think I’m blowing this out of proportion, click the link below:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/08/05

Never mind that cutting Social Security to balance the budget is like attacking the mailman because your car won’t start. It has nothing to do with the budget – but again, that’s a mere fact. When you’re drowning the beast, facts don’t matter.

continued in chapter 2

August 6, 2011 at 8:46 a.m.
limric said...

THEY HAVE SUCCESSFULLY STARVED THE BEAST: Chapter 2

So OK. The beast is drowned. Keynes is dead. Now what?

Well, if past is any gauge, welcome to the next Great Depression.

See, the dirty little secret is that we never had a debt “crisis.” We had a jobs crisis.

While Republicans were arguing about the faux “crisis” and the press and Obama joined them, we got a series of disturbing signals. Consumer confidence was down, manufacturing was off, and job numbers were pathetic. In fact, if not for a hiring binge by McDonald’s there would have been a net job loss last May. Ooh, that’s something to look forward to: McDonalds accounted for what little job growth there was. What’s next, America gets saved by an uptick in Wall Mart greeters? Jesus Christ ! :-O

Look. This whole drown the beast crap has been nothing more than a stealth tactic for instituting an extremist version of a laissez faire, market uber-alles policy designed by and for the Plutocracy.

And to be sure, it’s worked great for them. The rest of us? GRRRRR.

Income and wealth inequality in the US has been increasing rapidly since Reagan, (with a slight break under Clinton). In terms of income inequality, the US now ranks about the same as Ivory Coast, Uganda and Cameroon.

News flash for all the debt mongers, Tea Partiers, FOX news robots and other assorted ignoramuses. You can’t run a consumer-based economy when the vast majority of consumers don’t have enough money to buy anything. After all, Paris Hilton can only buy so much jewelry; Corporate CEOs can only purchase so many jetliners and Wall Street traders can only buy so many Ferrari’s. But middle and working class Americans need to spend their money on food, lodging, and other necessities.

Here’s another dirty little secret: Republicans want the economy to fail. They want Obama to fail, and they don’t care who gets hurt in the process. They want these things, because the beast is in the bathtub and they can almost taste its demise.

The pieces are in place for the Plutocrats final victory … an corporate friendly Supreme Court; a Democratic Party that’s in collusion with the plutocrats…or so cowardly as to be neutered; a press that reports outlandish lies, fluff and objective facts as if they were all equivalent; a public that has been dumbed down for over 25 years and are now convinced the government is their enemy.

But government isn’t the enemy. Laissez faire economic policies are. Every time we’ve tried them, they've produced profound income inequalities and the severe economic downturns that inevitably follow. Every time!!

Welcome to the next Depression! Brought to by your friendly GOP

August 6, 2011 at 8:55 a.m.
mymy said...

Have fun folks and good luck with the consequences of Hope and Change. THE BOMB now has another first for the history books. Buckle up we have a longer and bumpier ride to come.

August 6, 2011 at 9:12 a.m.
alprova said...

Wow!! A most powerful post limric. I bow in total respect.

August 6, 2011 at 9:15 a.m.
fairmon said...

In April Geitner says: There is no way we will lose our AAA rating. Should he and Bush appointment Bernanke be replaced? It is popular and easy to blame the president. He depends on these two plus others to advise him. Congress is the entity responsible for our fiscal health. Do they have fiscal and physical health confused? Congress has a 14% approval rating which may be too high.

August 6, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.
alprova said...

MyMy wrote: Have fun folks and good luck with the consequences of Hope and Change.

President Obama said it best, in his State of the Union Speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YONW-FgVouk&feature=player_detailpage

THE BOMB now has another first for the history books.

And what would that be? You just love dumping unsubstantiated and vague comments in here, as if they mean a thing.

Buckle up we have a longer and bumpier ride to come.

At least another for another five years. By the time he retires from his second term, the man will be revered by most, as one of the greatest Presidents to ever hold the office.

August 6, 2011 at 9:25 a.m.
mymy said...

At least one TN State Rep. Joe Armstrong (D) helped a small business boom. He also has some mints named in his honor. LOL

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2011/aug/06/disappointmints-brouhaha-boosts-sales-for-new/#comments

August 6, 2011 at 9:30 a.m.
fairmon said...

The hat isn't large enough. It will take a lot of devalued dollars to help the man in need.

August 6, 2011 at 9:34 a.m.
LibDem said...

I support President Obama because the alternative is unthinkable. I know he has to deal with political reality. He can't let thousands lose jobs. He can't let the government shutdown. Nevertheless, I've had all the cave-in's I can stomach. I want him to call a press conference and announce, "We will never negotiate with terrorists!"

August 6, 2011 at 9:38 a.m.
alprova said...

You should have read the article, MyMy. The company that made the mints did so in protest of the fact that President Obama caved on the Republican's demand that the Bush tax cuts be extended.

"Unemployed Philosophers Guild is a typically left-leaning company, said Stern, but decided to manufacture the "Disappointmints" to cater to liberals who were frustrated with the extension of the Bush-era tax cuts."

August 6, 2011 at 9:39 a.m.
mymy said...

I did read it and almost added the comment. They are trying to run a business/survive first and foremost. Good for them.

August 6, 2011 at 9:50 a.m.
limric said...

Alprova,

Please excuse the lengthy diatribe. I'm a bit fired up this morning.

To be blunt, Democrats have to pick a fight with their own party --NOW!! They have to launch the hard work of reconnecting with ordinary citizens, listening and learning, defining new politics from the ground up.

People in a rebellious mood (like me) need to prepare for the possibility that it may already be too late, that the Democratic Party has moved uptown and is too advanced to reverse. In that event, people will have to locate a new home—a new force that speaks for them. Russ Feingold & Howard Dean anyone?

I think tomorrow morning I'll prop up some sporting clays on a berm at 200 meters and throw about 60 rounds down the tube of my Romanian PSL (Dragunov). That works every time. And then chase my wife around the house. ;-)

I may be a geezer, but I know what I like.

August 6, 2011 at 10:18 a.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

JOBs....JOBs...JOBs........ Mr. President. Make the tBaggers and Republicans either PUT UP or SHUT UP!

A jobs program for the 1 million or more unemployed veterans is a good place to begin. Hopefully, even tBaggers won't oppose help for the men and women who place their lives at risk for the country.

Build some momentum and later create some program to assist other Americans................

August 6, 2011 at 10:29 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

IGNORANT IS WORSE THAN STUPID

Limric pointed out, News flash for all the debt mongers, Tea Partiers, FOX news robots and other assorted ignoramuses. You can’t run a consumer-based economy when the vast majority of consumers don’t have enough money to buy anything.

Right on again, my flame throwing friend. Let me add one caveat to that axiom. In addition to consumers not having enough money, they are still carrying too much debt. In 2008, when everything started swirling down the toilet, total consumer debt in this country - mortgages, credit cards, car loans, everything - was equal to 100% of GDP. In 1983, by contrast, consumer debt was around 45%. In that environment you could pump some money into the economy, people would start buying more, and the economy took off down the road. That makes our current situation a contraction, not a recession. People still owe so much money that they can’t pay it off without substantially reducing future spending, and if they reduce future spending, they can’t keep the economy going. So, because consumers can't buy enough to drive the economy, business can't sell enough to drive the economy, and republicans are blocking the government from stepping into the gap.

A second bit of news surfaced recently which people are choosing to ignore: the 2008 collapse was worse than we thought. The Economist reported:

“The Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) revised its numbers back through the recession, revealing a downturn more serious than previously understood. The BEA’s first estimate of output in the fourth quarter of 2008, published in January of 2009, showed a contraction of 3.8%, later revised to a 6.8% drop. The new numbers change the figure yet again, to a shocking 8.9% fall in GDP.

“Had the new Obama administration seen that the economy was shrinking at close to 9% per year, it might well have pushed for a much larger stimulus plan, and might reasonably have expected Congress to agree to it. Federal Reserve officials might also have been quicker to scale up their interventions. Washington was left navigating the crisis through a rear-view mirror, and a smudged one at that.”

Now that we have a better understanding of where we came from, economically, we should be better able to chart the proper course to right the ship. Republicans, however have a vested interest in allowing the country to flounder and are gleefully punching holes in the hull.

If you are aware of a problem and deliberately choose to ignore it, you are, by definition, IGNORANT.

But none dare call it treason.

August 6, 2011 at 10:46 a.m.
hambone said...

bbnb, I can't think of one reason to give any TeaBagger a second term!

Yes, this IS a consumer economy.

At this point demand must be created and the only way left to do that is building and repairing roads and bridges.

Useing materials like rock, concrete and sweat. Materials that won't be imported!

August 6, 2011 at 11:06 a.m.
tderng said...

yes lets rebuild the infrastructure.With union only workers with very large salaries and stupendous health and retirement packages.Don't even think of using any company that isn't union and can do better work for about 60% of the cost.Don't think of using a company that might fire a poor worker and hire a better one.

August 6, 2011 at 11:33 a.m.
LibDem said...

Well paid union workers actually buy stuff. They're middle class. Of course, they're thorns in the sides of conservatives.

August 6, 2011 at 11:59 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...
< There you go kids, so you can stay on topic. Clay Bennett is still a pro-democrat partisan hack. The TFP should respect the make-up of the region and find a way to bring more balance to the top of their on-line opinion page.
August 6, 2011 at 12:05 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP, congrats on the new and improved avatar. It suits your name to a "T".

August 6, 2011 at 12:15 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

tderng,

Oh, you mean like the Mexicans or the Vietnamese or the Indians or the Chinese?

August 6, 2011 at 12:16 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

blackwater48 said... "You can’t run a consumer-based economy when the vast majority of consumers don’t have enough money to buy anything"

This statement speaks volumes about the author.

It implies that it is part of the government's role to run the economy, making him another one of those well-intentioned but uninformed socialist types.

It also demonstrates that the author has bought so deeply into the wealth envy, economic divide propaganda that he actually thinks the majority of the country is destitute.

How do you have an intelligent conversation with anyone who has so thoroughly allowed their thinking to be compromised? Unfortunately, this is fairly typical of your Clay Bennett supporter.

August 6, 2011 at 12:19 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: Clay Bennett is still a pro-democrat partisan hack.

So?

The TFP should respect the make-up of the region and find a way to bring more balance to the top of their on-line opinion page.

Chattanooga is much like Atlanta. Chattanooga by far and by a large margin, votes for Democrats. Those demographics have held true for decades. You're a goose hanging around a duck pond.

And as many times you have been told, the TFP offers a page in the print edition on a daily basis, devoted to the conservative points of view, along with at least two cartoons by other syndicated and conservative artists.

August 6, 2011 at 12:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... “And what would that (another first for the history books) be?”

“That” would be that Obama presided over the downgrading of the US credit rating, a first for the history books. If you would free your mind of the partisan theatrics and had a grasp of the big picture the answer to your question would have been obvious.

Again, fairly typical of a Clay Bennett supporter (I had to add that since someone seems to be keeping statistics on how many Clay Bennett comments are posted, just trying to do my part!)

August 6, 2011 at 12:29 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "And as many times you have been told, the TFP offers a page in the print edition"

And as many times you have repeated this point you have been reminded that I was specifically referring to the on-line version of the editorial page. The minds of Clay Bennett supporters seem to be so rigid that they either cannot comprehend such a simple concept or refuse to acknowledge it.

August 6, 2011 at 12:38 p.m.
chet123 said...

TDERNG....YOU SAY UNION WORKERS...Hmmmm GUESS THAT MEAN YOU WILL USE AMERICAN WORKERS(SOUND GREAT TO ME).

WITH VERY LARGE SALARIES....Hmmmm VERY LARGE SALARIES...WHEN HAVE THAT EVER HAPPENED..MOST CONSTRUCTION WORKERS JUST WANT TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES AND PAY THEIR MORGAGE. Hmmmm GUESS TDERNG CONSIDERING ANYTHING ABOVE MINIMUM WAGE(NOT SALARIES TDERNG) TO PUBLIC WORKER IS VERY LARGE SARLARIES LOL LOL....

STUPENDOUS HEALTH AND RETIREMENT PACKAGE ---- LOL LOL LOL I LIKE THE WAY TDERNG MAGNIFIED HEALTH AND RETIREMENT PACKAGE BY USING THE WORD STUPENDOUS LOL LOL LOL IF PAID A DESCENT WAGES THEY CAN SAVE AND RETIRE AT THE GOLDEN YEARS INSTEAD OF DYING ON A WORK SITE....70YEAR OLD MAN HAVE NO BUSINESS WORKING IN THE HOT SUN, CLIMBING UP A LADDER 500 FT UP....OR LIFTING HEAVY WEIGHT...---THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD CAN PAY BETTER THAN SLAVE WAGES

YOU SAID CUT COST 60%.....IS THAT WHY COMMUNIST CHINA IS OUR LARGEST CREDITOR....LOL LOL LOL SO YOU THE GENIUS WHO DECIDED TO OUT SOURCE AMERICA JOBS(TO CUT COST)....HEY GENIUS DID YOU TAKE TIME TO THINK ABOUT LONG TERM AFFECT ON THIS COUNTRY....SINCE YOU KNOW IT ALL...WHILE YOU BUSY FIRING AMERICAN WORKERS AND TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH SLAVE LABOR...WHO WILL BE DRIVING CONSUMER SPENDING.......DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU CANT HAVE AN HEALTHY ECONOMY WITH 2% OWNING 60% OF THE WEALTH.....YOU GOT TO BE A TEA PARTY(REALLY THR EXXTREME RIGHT WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY) WHOSE INCAPABLE OF EVER GOVERNING......LOL LOL LOL

THIS COUNTRY IS AT THE MERCY OF CUMMUNIST RED CHINA ...THANKS TO GREEDY SELFISH SHORT SIGHTED FOLKS AS YOURSELF....YOU WILL WEAKEN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT UNTIL IT COLLAPSE...AND A FORGIEN GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE OVER ...ONLY THEN WILL YOUR HEART CHANGE AND YOU WILL TRULY UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU LOOK AROUND AND THE PROPAGANDA PEOPLE LIKE LIMBAUGH FOX NEWS WONT BE STANDING...AND THE NEW GOVERNMENT WILL JUST TEAR-UP THE CONSTITUTION AND PURGE OUT FOLK LIKE YOU...LOL LOL LOL

YOUR SELFISH IDEAS ENCOURAGE AMERICAN TO EAT IT OWN ....REALLY AMAZING

August 6, 2011 at 12:41 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

OllieH said... “I think it would be devastating if Clay Bennett was no longer a part of the Times Free Press”

Devastating? Pretty strong words! I think the TFP would do better to post two cartoons with opposing philosophies rather than allowing Clay Bennett to dominate the on-line opinion page. You could keep Clay Bennett on the “left” side of the page, although there are better options out there.

August 6, 2011 at 12:46 p.m.
chet123 said...

STOP CRYING BIGRIDGE.....WHAT YOU REALLY WANT IS SUPPRESSION OF SPEECH.....CENSOR ALL DEMOCRATS....THIS IS BECAUSE YOUR AGRUMENTS ARE WEAK....A 5TH GRADER HAVE MORE LOGICS MAKE MORE SENSE.....YOUR PROBLEM IS FOX NEWS AND RUSH LIMBAUGH WHO IS DURING YOU AND YOUR COHORT A DISSERVICE....AMAZING,REALLY AMAZING!

August 6, 2011 at 12:53 p.m.
hambone said...

BuRP , How long ago was it that Clay Bennett PEE-d in your Post Toasties?

August 6, 2011 at 12:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

BigRidgePatriot said... "How do you have an intelligent conversation with anyone who has so thoroughly allowed their thinking to be compromised? Unfortunately, this is fairly typical of your Clay Bennett supporter"

August 6, 2011 at 1:05 p.m.
tderng said...

**CHET123...I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU BUT,UNION JOBS AND HEALTH AND RETIREMENT PACKAGES THAT ARE PAID FOR IN PART BY ME ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.UNION MEMBERS RARELY GET FIRED FOR DOING WHAT EVERY PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYEE WOULD GET FIRED FOR.BEING A POOR PERFORMER IN A UNION DOESN'T MEAN THERE IS ANY CHANCE FOR YOU TO GET FIRED.DRINKING ON THE JOB DOESN'T EVEN MEAN YOU WILL FOR SURE GET FIRED.NOW I COULD BE WRONG BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE $25/HR OR SO WAS A SLAVES WAGE.AHH WHAT THE HELL AM I WASTING MY TIME ON AN IDEOLOGUE ROBOT SUCH AS YOURSELF.CONTINUE TO HATE THE BETTER OFF AND SEE WHERE THAT GETS YOU...FULL OF SEETHING ANGER AND ROILING STOMACHACHES.SOME PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE THEIR OWN WAY AND OTHERS WANT SOMEONE ELSE TO PAY THEIRS. *

August 6, 2011 at 1:16 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

SOCIALISM BY ANY OTHER NAME

BRP pointed out that I said, "You can’t run a consumer-based economy when the vast majority of consumers don’t have enough money to buy anything."

Then HE (love the new avatar, bird brain:) said, This statement speaks volumes about the author. It implies that it is part of the government's role to run the economy, making him another one of those well-intentioned but uninformed socialist types.

No it doesn't and I never said the government should RUN THE ECONOMY. You just made that up. I stated an economic reality, an undisputed truth, one of those pesky facts that get stuck in the craw of those who crow (squawk?) I got mine. Screw you. Give me more.

You love throwing around that term 'socialism.' Why is it okay for the government to send our tax money to oil companies? Why is it okay for the government to spend ONE TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR on special tax subsidies and write-offs on the top 4% wealthiest Americans? That's just incredibly wasteful spending in my book, but that sort of waste fraud and abuse is fine by you.

Ms. Bachmann loves to scream 'socialism,' too, but she and her husband love getting money from farm subsidies and medicare. The mortgage on their house, by the way, was underwritten by that evil government bureaucracy, Freddie Mac. That's okay, I guess, because the rules for the rich were, are, and always shall be, different.

Then BRP wraps up his literary regurgitation with this sugar plum: How do you have an intelligent conversation with anyone who has so thoroughly allowed their thinking to be compromised?

Having the government step in to get money flowing again when the markets are locked up is like having a plumber step in to get the water flowing when the sink's backed up. To your way of thinking that constitutes class warfare? Good grief.

Sounds like you believe that the free market is best left alone, that there is no place for government in pure capitalism, and our economic challenges will work themselves out. I bet you have a portrait on your wall of Herbert Hoover.

That's what he believed, too.

August 6, 2011 at 1:18 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Great posts, limric! Completely on the mark. There is not a bit of untruth or exaggeration in anything that you said.

There have been no more deleterious words ever spoken than Reagan's famous...er, infamous...lines: "Government is not the solution to our problems; government is the problem." Almost every Republican in office from his time forward and every mindless, ideologue driven ultra-conservative, teabagger, libertarian, and their ilk have latched on to that statement and made it their mantra. The Republicans' "Starve the beast" strategy got its start under Reagan and it has been downhill for America ever since.

Trickle-down has NEVER worked, the "job creators" have NEVER created jobs as a result of tax cuts, and the debt "crisis" is nothing but smoke and mirrors to take the public's eye off of the real problem: crushing unemployment and the ever widening gap between the wealthy and the middle class. And these newly imposed austerity measures will only make matters worse - much worse.

We are on the brink of total economic disaster and it should be clear to all but those who are blinded by their ideological blindfolds of anti-government sensibilities that the Republicans are obsessed, possessed, and hell-bent on starving the beast and making Obama a one-term president. Period. That is their only mission. For anyone truly concerned about what's good for the economy and what's good for the nation, a good rule of thumb would be to listen to what the Repubs suggest that we do...and then do the opposite.

August 6, 2011 at 1:33 p.m.
fairmon said...

According to an S&P spokesman the downgrade could have been avoided by raising the debt ceiling and adopting the Boles/Simpson bipartisan recommendations. We will see if congress is concerned enough to interrupt their vacation and get to work.

I assume those that know how to turn the ship around and create decent paying private sector jobs have communicated such to their elected representatives. I missed any post that provided such details. The philosophical whose fault was it and which party can right the economy is meaningless rhetoric and blind party loyalty. The issue is jobs and logical correction of initiatives that have an adverse impact on private sector jobs.

I listened to a conference call where the most frequent point callers communicated was no change in current strategy, no loss of current or future benefits with no tax increases. Reminds me of the saying miracles in days, the impossible takes longer. I don't see it being possible to not increase taxes on everyone even if the increase on the wealthy is significantly greater plus abolishing tax loop holes for the wealthy and corporations combined with rational spending and future entitlement program adjustments.

Many states and cities are not able to meet their pension and other cost obligations. Popular future liability commitments were made with the implications ignored by past officials due to the popularity of their decisions. Many current office holders are dealing with poor behavior by prior officials. The national situation has much broader impact.

August 6, 2011 at 3:11 p.m.
rick1 said...

Harp:

Spending is the problem not the tax rate. We have to cut back on the spending. If they raise taxes they will not use that money to pay down the debt they will just spend more. Also tax cuts have increased revenue. I provided a link that you may find interesting.

http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/taxcutmyths.htm

August 6, 2011 at 4:47 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

blackwater48 said... Nothing worth answering.

Progressives, Leftists, Liberals, Socialists… have been repackaging themselves for decades trying to hide their true ideology from those they would like to influence. They think if they change their name no one will recognize their ambitions for the poison that they are. Don't call them the names that they themselves have turned into dirty words! Don't call a socialist a socialist because it exposes their ruse!

Blackwater48’s earlier words, “You can’t run a consumer-based economy…”, are consistent with past posts and consistent with the thinking of a socialist. I am sure he has selected some other name to describe himself, or prefers to avoid any label at all because he knows that name will eventually turn sour too.

August 6, 2011 at 5:06 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS...

MoleHillMan wrote, blackwater48 said... Nothing worth answering.

Waving the white flag so soon? Presented with facts a typical tea bagger will just flail about wildly, making accusations, and not making any sense. Just lots of opinions.

Don't call them the names that they themselves have turned into dirty words! Don't call a socialist a socialist because it exposes their ruse!

I don't care what names you call me. When I see name calling I know the writer has surrendered the point and has no other arguments. Besides, you've never offered your definition of 'socialist,' so who knows what you're talking about. I doubt you really know.

So you have no response to the fact that consumer debt in 2008 was equal to 100% of GDP? Is that a good thing? Bad thing? Any micro or macro strategies that might ease the situation? Besides just shoveling more money to the rich?

What a wind bag.

August 6, 2011 at 6:09 p.m.
Timesreader said...

Hmm, it would appear that the callously "bad 'ol GOP" dude in the COMIC provided just as much help as the POTUS to our poor-soul-on-the-street as unemployment has merely RISEN in recent months (1.5% higher). Now we are in far worse shape with the historic downgrading of our national credit and GDP is at water level with debt (of course in reality, we're already under water.

August 6, 2011 at 6:25 p.m.
hambone said...

tderng would have all construction jobs be minimum wage with most of it sent home to Mexico!

August 6, 2011 at 6:44 p.m.
rolando said...

What construction jobs?

"Look for the Union-made label"...and get a piece of crap.

August 6, 2011 at 7:02 p.m.
woody said...

After that last statement of yours Rolando..I don't believe you deserve anything less..or, come to think of it, maybe you do..Woody

August 6, 2011 at 7:13 p.m.
rick1 said...

Rolandao: You mean those shovel ready jobs that Obama has admitted weren't so ready. Also with the union wages, Obama signed Excutive Order 13202 which forced contractors who bid on large scale public construction projects in excess of $25 million to submit to union representation for its employees.

If the contractor was not union they had to pay union wages and union dues were taken from the workers check and given to a union the worker did not even belong to. Gotta love how Obama took care of the unions.

August 6, 2011 at 7:21 p.m.
fairmon said...

rick1..

I have read various articles coming down on cut spending only or to increase taxes. Facts that have to be addressed that you can everify; at least 40 cents or more of each medicare claim is paid with borrowed money. Two and a half wars that revenue was never provided for are a major revenue drain. Discretionary spending is a small percent of the budget. Hedge fund managers paying at the ordinary income rate instead of 15% on their annual millions, CEOs and higher management with umpteen million annual salaries and perks could handle increased taxes without adverse impact on the economy. Those people mentioned paying more and targeted businesses that employ people paying less may increase tax revenue.

What spending would you STOP or reduce to close the 1.3 trillion annual budget gap?

August 6, 2011 at 7:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

My unpopular opinion is to heck with the middle east. Get the hell out and assure we have a good homeland defense trained, equipped and ready. For much less than now being spent we could care for disabled veterans. Provide post combat counseling, train and assist those in good health until they are gainfully employed.

Government become an enable instead of a barrier to achieving energy independence. Regulate but don't hesitate to drill and access our vast energy resources. Stop the transfer of wealth to the middle east through our oil purchases and foreign aid and they will become more peaceful and hungry. Americans build Dubai which is the largest and most elaborate man made island imaginable.

August 6, 2011 at 7:45 p.m.
rick1 said...

Harp:

I agree with you on the flat tax,but I don't see the govt (both republicans and demcracts) ever giving up the power they have with our current tax system and the IRS. Both parties are responsiable for our current debt situation and they will continue to write the tax law to benefit them and as you say Hedge fund managers (both republicans and democracts support the tax rate Hedge fund managers pay with Chuck Schumer being one of the biggest supporters of Hedge fund managers.

Putting an end to Obama Care would be a could start to reducing the budget and here is a link to some suggestions from a October 2010 article from The Heritage Foundation giving suggestions on how to cut $343 Billion from Federal Budget. Please let me know your thoughts on these.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/10/How-to-Cut-343-Billion-from-the-Federal-Budget

August 6, 2011 at 8:01 p.m.
patriot1 said...

We can only hope Obama handles pressure, commitment and responsibility like his father did....oh wait...then we'd get Biden...forget that!!

August 6, 2011 at 8:32 p.m.
fairmon said...

rick1..

I agree those items shown and the 343 million are valid and reasonable savings initiatives plus collecting the 1 billion in unpaid taxes from federal employees, abolishing the education department, abolish the homeland security department and have those already responsible for that accept and fulfill the responsibility. Reduce 100% of czars with the associated cost and have the appropriate department fill any essential void. Require each department to reduce their cost by 10% with no budget increases until the debt is no greater than 15% of GDP. Increase the payroll medical tax and medicare premiums for those above the poverty line to neutral cost or identify spending beyond revenue as welfare and account for it as such. Over time increase social security eligibility age consistent with the actuarial tables. France recently increased their retirement eligibility age by 2 years and modified their health care provisions.

Drastic situations call for drastic action. These items will cause major groaning and moaning and tirades but it takes nothing from those unable to support themselves. None or most of them will never happen since they would not prohibit being re-elected.

August 6, 2011 at 8:45 p.m.
fairmon said...

rick1,

I didn't advocate a flat tax but a fair tax. See fairtax.org. This poposal eliminates all federal taxes and replaces it with a 22.5c per dollar spent no exceptions retail consumtpion tax. Those in the lower two thirds income levels that understand this concept would bring tremendous pressure to congress to pass H.R. 25 and S.13. Education the electorate is the major challenge. The wealthy, politicians and those receiving illegal gains and black market gains would fight it to the max. People fail to realize that their purchases would cost at least 20 cents per dollar less. We pay fifty cents tax on each gallon of gas at today's prices. To those with low incomes that is significant.

August 6, 2011 at 8:52 p.m.
rick1 said...

Harp:

Your correct it does call for drastic action and your correct that the politician will put their political career ahead of what is best for this country. If I remember correctly when France increased the retirement eligibility age by two years there were near riots occurring. Sorry to say I can see the same thing happening here if we tried to stream line our federal govt work force or federal govt programs.

August 6, 2011 at 8:57 p.m.
Oz said...

The Liberal Huffington Post sums it up best.

August 6, 2011 at 8:58 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Looking at the cartoon again, it occurred to me, the greatest gift the GOP could give to the disadvantaged in this country would be to help get Obama out of the presidency. Obama’s destructive policies have only prolonged the downturn and destroyed jobs that the homeless guy could have had.

I know you Clay Bennett fans think that Keynesian economics and government intervention are the answer to (nearly) every problem, but you are simply wrong.

August 6, 2011 at 10:10 p.m.
Stewwie said...

This President is a joke and has been since Day 1. Any President worth a darn would acknowledge that a $1 trillion + deficit is a major problem. Barack Obummer shrugs it off and instead asks for a raised debt ceiling. He should have been the first to propose a deficit-reduction plan to Congress, but instead chose to say the same old crap to the media ("We need to get a deal done, yada yada yada").

I think Americans are getting sick and tired of this guy's inability to provide real solutions. He'd rather play the blame game to accuse Republicans of causing the problems. Maybe he thinks that will help his chances for re-election, but too bad for him, because it won't.

Looking forward to 2012.

August 6, 2011 at 10:41 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

TARGET THE RICH

Harp asked, What spending would you STOP or reduce to close the 1.3 trillion annual budget gap?

Wow. That's an easy one, but republicans and tea baggers will go ballistic! We could start by reducing government outlays by $1 Trillion tomorrow. Not by raising tax rates or even closing corporate loopholes, but by simply reducing or eliminating stealth tax breaks most Americans know nothing about. The tax code is riddled with around 180 separate annual tax breaks amounting to $1 Trillion which only benefit the very richest Americans - which is a terribly unjustified use of government expenditures. Republicans and their tea baggers would rather eliminate unemployment insurance, payroll tax cuts that benefit working families, Social Security, Medicare, and the rest of the usual suspects, before reducing 'the good kind of' welfare that only supports the fat guts of hedge fund managers and their ilk.

The way it is now, If total income were a gallon of ice cream, the richest 1% would get over half and they'd still be bitching about not getting whipped cream and cherry on top. No whipped cream for you! No cherry for you!

Oh, the humanity... I can hear the howling now.

August 6, 2011 at 11:17 p.m.
fairmon said...

Oz,

Good video which is like the roar of the cannon but no hole in the target. More stifling regulations (Sarbanes/Oxley, Dodd/Franks etc.) continued over lap and duplications at the federal and state level, blocking energy independence initiatives by the private sector, no legislation encouraging corporations to expand or build in the U.S., Requiring union sources by contractors getting major government projects instead of requiring like wages if the contractor uses non union labor, proposed cap and trade, allowed the NLRB to challenge bowing's S.C. factory. nothing to encourage construction and operation of lower skilled wealth creating manufacturing jobs. Some small business incentives that have yielded very little is about all this administration or congress has done to increase employment. I can't say Bush did any better.

August 6, 2011 at 11:19 p.m.
fairmon said...

bw48,

I agree that all deductions, reductions, incentives, grants and other manipulation and intervention should be eliminated and hedge fund and others taxed at ordinary income rates but even that won't close the gap as long as we are involved in the middle east and current unemployment rates continue. Once we hit one trillion which is a number larger than most of us can imagine the exponential rate of increase is frightening. I have read in a financial publication that taking 100% of the income of the top 1% would not balance the budget. At 1.3 trillion I can believe that.

August 6, 2011 at 11:32 p.m.
alprova said...

Rick1 Wrote: Also with the union wages, Obama signed Excutive Order 13202 which forced contractors who bid on large scale public construction projects in excess of $25 million to submit to union representation for its employees.

Incorrect. 13502 is the correct order number that President Obama signed. It Rescinded 13202, signed into law by GWB on February 17, 2001. Have you even read the executive order? It does not force anyone to do anything.

"In awarding any contract in connection with a large-scale construction project, or obligating funds pursuant to such a contract, executive agencies may, on a project-by-project basis, require the use of a project labor agreement by a contractor where use of such an agreement will (i) advance the Federal Government's interest in achieving economy and efficiency in Federal procurement, producing labor-management stability, and ensuring compliance with laws and regulations governing safety and health, equal employment opportunity, labor and employment standards, and other matters, and (ii) be consistent with law."

If the contractor was not union they had to pay union wages and union dues were taken from the workers check and given to a union the worker did not even belong to.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ExecutiveOrderUseofProjectLaborAgreementsforFederalConstructionProjects/

Will you please proofread the executive order as it was signed on February 6, 2009 by President Obama and quote the applicable sentences that prove your assertions contractors must pay union wages and that union dues will be taken out of employees paychecks, who do not belong to a union?

That is a lie. It may not be your lie, but you are guilty of not verifying its truthfulness and for repeating it in this forum. It sounds like it originated from one of the hags who hangs out on Fox News.

Gotta love how Obama took care of the unions.

The man never made it any secret that he is pro-union. He campaigned on this very issue and fulfilled his promise to rescind GWB's executive order 13202.

"We need to make sure the government uses project labor agreements to encourage completion of projects on time and on budget. One of the first things George Bush did when he got into office was to ban PLAs. One of the first things I’ll do as President is repeal that ban."

While I agree that it opened the doors to union contractors to bid on Government projects, it hardly favors unions or forces anyone to do anything at all.

August 7, 2011 at 12:52 a.m.
chet123 said...

I'M RESPONDING TO A COMMENT MADE BY TDERNG AUG.6TH 1:16....READING YOU AND YOUR REPUBLICAN CONFIDANTS COMMENTS....ITS IS AMAZINGLY BACKWARDS.....I CAN ALWAYS DETECT A REPUBLICAN.....THERE SOUL PURPOSE IS TO CREATES BOOGIEMEN....SO THE UNION IS THE ENEMY....LOL LOL....DO YOU KNOW HOW CHILDISH YOU SOUND....DO YOU REALIZE THIS COUNTRY IS GREAT BECAUSE OF MANY MANY SACRIFICES MADE BY THE GREATEST GENERATION(WHO WAS HIGHLY UNION) THE YOUNG MEN WHO BLOOD PAINTED THE BEACHES OF NORMADY RED AND LEFT THEIR BLOOD AND GUTS ON FOREIGN SOIL TO PRESERVE FREEDOM OF THIS COUNTRY...THE BIGGEST BENIFICARY WAS THE RICH AND GREEDY...THEY SACRIFICE LITTLE BUT BENIFITS MUCH...THE WORKING CLASS AND MIDDLE CLASS ARE THE BACKBONE OF THIS COUNTRY AND THEY HAVE A STAKE IN AMERICAN....INCLUDING THE 30 MEN KILLED(WORKING CLASS FAMILY) IN AFGHAN SATURDAY(AUG 6TH 2011)

THE RICH AND GREEDY HAVE ALWAYS FOUGHT AGAINST THE UNIONS... THANKS THE UNIONS FOR DECENT WAGES(RICH AND GREEDY WOULD LIKE TO PAY SLAVE WAGES)..40 HOURS WORK WEEK,..SAFER WORK ENVIROMENTS ....WHETHER ITS THE FIREMEN UNION POLICE UNION,TRADE LABOR UNION,TEACHER UNION.

DECENT WAGES REALLY UPSET THE RICH AND GREEDY...IT CUT INTO THEIR PROFIT....EVENTHOUGH INCOME HAVE CONTINUE TO WIDEN BETWEEN THE RICH AND MIDDLE-CLASS..THE RICH AND GREEDY STILL NOT SATISFIED. THE RICH AND GREEDY REALLY DONT BELEIVE IN DEMOCRACY....THEY ARE PRO-OLIGARCHY.....THEY ARE REALLY ANTI-DEMOCRACY....THE UNION ALLOW YOU TO BARGAIN AND THEY HATE IT.....THIS IS ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCE BTWEEN THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATS

I'M VERY IN FAVOR AND ADMIRE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HONESTLY WORK TO ACHEIVE WEALTH...OR FAMILY WHO HAVE RETAIN AND MULTIPLIED THEIR WEALTH WITH THROUGH INDURANCE AND PERSEVERANCE THROUGH WISDOM OF THEIR CHILDREN. I HAVE ALWAYS ADMIRED GREAT MEN AS ROSS PETROT, WARREN BUFFIN, HENRY FORD, SAM WALTON,BILL GATES, HOWARD HUGH....THOSE MEN LOVE AMERICA....AND THEY PAID THEIR EMPLOYEE WELLFOR WHAT THEY DID.

THE BIGGEST TRADER OF THIS COUNTRY IS NOT THE RICH...BUT THE RICH AND GREEDY....TDERNG THESE ARE THE PEOPLE I SEE YOU DEFENDING LOL LOL LOL REALLY AMAZING...THEIR ARE TOO PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY LIKE HEDGE-FUND MANAGER THAT CREATE NOT JOBS...THEY KILL JOBS....OR OIL BARONS..KOCH BRO....WHOS MILKING THIS COUNTRY OF REVENUE WITH OVER PRICE GAS(REPUBLICAN DEFENDING AND PROTECTING THEM...GAS PRICES WENT UP WHEN REPUBLICAN TOOK CONGRESS)...REALLY AMAZING LOL LOL

August 8, 2011 at 12:10 p.m.
chet123 said...

TDERNG....IS AN EXAMPLE OF FOLKS WHO CONSTANTLY WATCH FOX NEW AND LISTEN TO RUSH LIMBAUGH,,,,,THEY DONT THINK!....I CHALLENGE TDERNG TO THINK, THINK, THINK,...DONT JUST BELEIVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR...YOU ARE EASY TO MANIPULATE....STOP LISTENING TO PROPAGANDA....ITS REALLY SAD....YOU WONT BE HAPPY UNTIL YOU COLLAPSE THIS GOVERNMENT...THEN A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE OVER(CHINA) AND PURGE YOU OUT....LOL LOL LOL..REALLY AMAZING!!

August 8, 2011 at 12:40 p.m.
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