published Thursday, August 18th, 2011

The TVA Ban

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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BigRidgePatriot said...

The Wart strikes again. Yawn...

August 18, 2011 at 12:17 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Notice that TVA is a government agency. The USSR had an even bigger government (relative to what it ruled), and its 'TVA' had a worse record, turning the Aral Sea, a lake half the size of Tennessee, into a poisonous desert. Shrink the government so it won't be big enough to mess things up too badly.

Is coal power safer than nuclear? (Is it even less radioactive? There's more radioactive material in 30,000 trainloads of coal than in a nuclear reactor.) Does wind provide much power on hot days or cold nights when most needed? (A recent National Review online article said only about 10% of Texas's theoretical maximum wind power was actually being generated during some of the recent heat wave.) By all means explore alternatives--and legalize those rumored supercarburetors and cars that run on water, IF they're out there--but face the numbers.

August 18, 2011 at 6:19 a.m.
librul said...

Meh. AndrewLohr for Preznit.

August 18, 2011 at 7:56 a.m.
WhitesCreek said...

A consistent theme from TVA is no matter what happens, "It's not our fault." I think it has something to do with that famous, "undetected layer of slime" that caused the Kingston Ash Disaster.

August 18, 2011 at 8:02 a.m.
WhitesCreek said...

Now that I think about it, shouldn't every TVA Board member who votes "yes" have to live on site at a TVA nuclear facility?

August 18, 2011 at 8:04 a.m.
mymy said...

Another toon to distract from his God's fall from grace even in the Black community:

http://video.foxnews.com/#/v/1115809830001/are-african-americans-unhappy-with-obama/?playlist_id=87485

August 18, 2011 at 8:49 a.m.
rolando said...

"A consistent theme from TVA is no matter what happens, "It's not our fault.""

They adopted the mantra of the current White House, WhitesCreek.

August 18, 2011 at 9:18 a.m.
rolando said...

mymy -- Speaking of mottos, have you seen this e-mail yet:

Photo of The Hussein standing before a podium with WINNING THE FUTURE writ large above him.


I know this is supposed to be the smartest administration ever, but if I were running a campaign with a fairly unpopular incumbent, the last thing I'd do is have a reelection slogan whose initials were W T F.

August 18, 2011 at 9:23 a.m.
mymy said...

The clown in this toon is Obama. Wonder what Newt thinks of him using Winning the Future slogan. The title of one of his books.

August 18, 2011 at 9:47 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Good one, Clay. The TVA, a government agency, thinks it can ban symbolic speech? Please tell those clowns to read the Supreme Court rulings in Cohen v. California, Tinker v. Des Moines, and others, which establish that symbolic speech is protected under the First Amendment.

August 18, 2011 at 9:49 a.m.
timbo said...

First of all, Bennett is not qualified to make a technical judgement about safety any more than the rest of the zombies making noise. These environmental idiots have been bitching about coal being a polluter, nuclear fixes that problem and now they bitch about that. Maybe they all need to volunteer to go live in a cave and get themselves off the grid. That would reduce pollution and risk wouldn't it?

Oh, that's right, you guys just want to do the easy things that don't affect you personally.

I could care less if a few loony tunes want to protest, just don't change policy because of this small minority of left wing wackos.

It is always been apparent that the left has more wackos than the Tea party every had. I haven't seen one Tea Party person dressed up like a zombie. Booogie, booogie booogie..

August 18, 2011 at 10:33 a.m.
mymy said...
August 18, 2011 at 10:53 a.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "I could care less if a few loony tunes want to protest, just don't change policy because of this small minority of left wing wackos.

I hardly see how it is that you are in any position to determine with any accuracy that the protesters lean to the left. Those opposed to nuclear energy come from all walks of life and have differing political beliefs.

It is always been apparent that the left has more wackos than the Tea party every had. I haven't seen one Tea Party person dressed up like a zombie. Booogie, booogie booogie..

While you are entitled to your opinion about those political distinctions, those who are opposed to nuclear energy are just as likely to be Tea Baggers as they are to be Democrats.

Your belief that all who protest against nuclear energy are Democrats is without any basis whatsoever. Even the often vilified President Obama, a very proud member of the Democrat Party, endorses and has called for the expansion of nuclear energy in this nation.

Your statements are a reckless as mine would be if I were to make any assumption that all KKK members, both past and present, are and were religious right-wing conservatives.

August 18, 2011 at 11:04 a.m.
mymy said...

nooga: you are on the current looney band wagon to nowhere which is more frightening than nuclear power. Better think about what you would do without it since The Bomb and company are against coal/oil and want to push green power -the next bubble to burst.

How could anybody be a bigger idiot than The Bomb who is blowing this country up!

August 18, 2011 at 12:05 p.m.
najones75 said...

Nooga,

You're just plain incorrect about your statements concerning nuclear licensing.

No where has the NRC stated that plants have an indefinite life span. Whenever, the licensing that they approved for a unit runs out, applications for renewal must be submitted and an extensive review is given. Will they extend it? If it meets NRC requirements. But, who are you to determine if they are negligible? Are you on the board? Are you familiar with 10CFR?

The ENGINEER that designed the reactor? Engineer? I assure you, there were several, several large teams of many engineers who design these complex units. You have not even a clue of what it takes to design these components.

There's absolutely no reason to state assumptions that anything bad is definitely going to happen. You and the rest act like you know all of this information, when in reality, you're just spewing verbal diarrhea out there and hoping people take them as the truth.

And for the record, I am not stating that nothing bad will ever happen with fossil, nuclear, wind, gas...whatever type of power producing mechanism there is. Sh&t happens. Never will there be a 100% safe anything. Cars, plane, bicycles, power plants...you name it. If humans operate them, something will happen. But to get on here a throw out crap so support your OPINION is sad and pathetic.

August 18, 2011 at 12:38 p.m.
MacGyverguy said...

The nuclear industry comes under more intense scrutiny than any other industry and has the smallest allowance for mistakes. The inspection, testing, and safety standards/regulations within the nuclear field make other energy providers look like primitives rubbing sticks together. Mistakes at a most industrial sites that only get you yelled at, would cause an employee to be blacklisted from all nuclear sites. The most dangerous part of a nuclear plant is the parking lot.

August 18, 2011 at 12:47 p.m.
lumpy said...

There's only one clown to worry about! It's Obozo. The poor baby is wiped out from flippin' the bird to the heartland from his big, bad, black, canadian made bus. Now he's off on another vaca.

August 18, 2011 at 1:58 p.m.
timbo said...

Alprova....That was just dumb. Everyone knows where these loonies lean. It is dishonest to say otherwise. A Tea Party person in a zombie get-up. I don't think so.

August 18, 2011 at 4:22 p.m.
timbo said...

nooga....Thanks for proving my point. Keep up the good work.

August 18, 2011 at 4:23 p.m.
fairmon said...

Life is full of risk. Electrical, coal, wind, solar, driving, flying, most hobbies are risky and some extremely so. Nuclear has some risk and some issues so be it, those responsible appear to be capable of achieving all reasonable safety measures. Something bad could happen and many of us meet our Waterloo....so what? The uncontaminated parts of the country and world will make it just fine without us. Look on the bright side, that would be more effective population control than abortions and wars.

I wouldn't be surprised to see those dressing like zombies and acting like they know the score on nuclear power throwing trash on the side of the road as they pollute the air burning gas. Alprova is right, they are not unique to either party but I doubt any are in the tea party.

August 18, 2011 at 5:30 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Bellefonte's been dormant for so long the next generation of news reporters are pronouncing it differently! You people disparage the concerned citizens who want more oversight, suggesting that sitting on their ass doing nothing, like you, is the right course of action. It's too late once Chatternobyl is Three Miles up your Love Canal. Somebody pass me the iodine.

August 18, 2011 at 7:19 p.m.
carlB said...

If you don't like how the electric power is generated, just stop using it. Do without your conveniences made possible by electric energy then you would have something to really complain about.
Many people who live in poverty cannot afford to pay for their Utilities

August 18, 2011 at 8:52 p.m.
fairmon said...

dude_abides..

I may have missed it but I didn't see a post objecting to over sight and regulations. Is there an example of where the department of energy and TVA are ignoring something that will result in a meltdown or other mishap?

There is a difference in over sight and reasonable regulations and being a barrier to every attempt to become energy independent and to have clean safe energy. We have more fossil fuels than any country on earth. We have known natural gas reserves that would provide the U.S. for 100's of years. Accessing and using them would employ millions of Americans in good jobs. Converting and building engines to use natural gas, building a distribution system and servicing it would employ a tremendous number of people. My message to congress was regulate, audit, over see, harass, tax and be a royal pain in the ass but get on with it. Quit sending American wealth to the middle east, China and India.

August 18, 2011 at 9:22 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"Given uncertainties regarding TVA financial status, Bellefonte's location, questionable reactor design and the future of the nuclear power industry in general, we believe it is ill-advised and premature to approve construction at this time," said a letter the group presented to Kilgore's secretary at the end of the protest.

"premature....at this time." This is redundant, but not intransigent.

August 18, 2011 at 10:18 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: Alprova....That was just dumb. Everyone knows where these loonies lean.

No everyone doesn't. That's my point. You don't have the first clue which way a person leans who may be opposed to nuclear energy. It's not been adopted by one political party over another.

Someone opposed to nuclear energy is as likely to be a Conservative Republican as they are to be a Liberal Democrat.

It is dishonest to say otherwise.

Prove me wrong.

A Tea Party person in a zombie get-up. I don't think so.

I remember many costumes donned at Tea-Party gatherings a couple of years ago. Imagining one of those clowns in a zombie costume is not that much of a stretch.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Tea+partier+costumes&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1024&bih=653&tbm=isch&prmd=ivnsu&tbnid=0PBdw9FqhMzZlM:&imgrefurl=http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/video-snl-makes-fun-of-tea-party-costumes-and-signs&docid=TlwCg7fEVd2vxM&w=512&h=362&ei=UM9NTp3pA-fl0QG_4oH0Bg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=716&vpy=71&dur=7838&hovh=189&hovw=267&tx=102&ty=107&page=1&tbnh=125&tbnw=173&start=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:14,s:0

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Tea+partier+costumes&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1024&bih=653&tbm=isch&tbnid=KXWZLR5y84ZcrM:&imgrefurl=http://democurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2011/08/tea-party-idiots-tea-party-trailer.html&docid=GmRcLuCGVDjz9M&w=552&h=414&ei=UM9NTp3pA-fl0QG_4oH0Bg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=498&vpy=218&dur=4642&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=131&ty=134&page=2&tbnh=148&tbnw=206&start=15&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:15

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Tea+partier+costumes&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1024&bih=653&tbm=isch&tbnid=WmcsNekVp-Q5oM:&imgrefurl=http://www.usdemocrazy.net/tag/tea-party/&docid=uIPFfZqP5fMDgM&w=396&h=594&ei=M9BNTualO4TV0QG9nuipBw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=475&page=3&tbnh=166&tbnw=111&start=27&ndsp=13&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:27&tx=59&ty=97

August 18, 2011 at 10:54 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...
August 19, 2011 at 8:28 a.m.
fairmon said...

dude_abide posted the protesters letter stated;

"premature...at this time." This is redundant, but not intransigent

therefore?

August 19, 2011 at 8:32 a.m.
fairmon said...

timbo

I rarely agree with liberal alprova but I have attended local meetings of both parties and the tea party movement. I have to say not one of them can lay claim to having more or less kooks. I didn't leave thinking I would want to be a part of any of them.

August 19, 2011 at 8:39 a.m.
timbo said...

alprova......More evidence of my theory that liberalism is a mental illness. In your bizarro world "zombies" are really just regular people who feel as you do. Hallucination is also a symptom of being nuts. Remember the song....."There coming to take me away, ha, ha! There coming to take me away. To the funny farm, where life is beutiful all the time And I'll be glad to see those nice you men in the clean white coats There coming to take YOU away."

August 19, 2011 at 8:40 a.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: alprova......More evidence of my theory that liberalism is a mental illness. In your bizarro world "zombies" are really just regular people who feel as you do.

I haven't expressed one word of thought on the subject in this thread regarding people dressing up as zombies and protesting against nuclear energy.

The fact is that I think they ARE nuts for doing so. I am on board with building MORE nuclear power plants. So for you to accuse them as "feeling as I do" is without any basis whatsoever. I have expressed my feelings on this subject many times in this forum.

You are being very stupid and quite ignorant for making accusations that you cannot substantiate with proof. Is that blunt enough for you?

Where do people like you come from anyway?

Hallucination is also a symptom of being nuts.

Well then, stop hallucinating that you have a handle on the truth to anyone and their particular political leanings, who is opposed to nuclear energy. Because the simple fact is there is no rhyme or reason that can be used when attempting to quantify people politically who are opposed to nuclear energy.

August 19, 2011 at 9:08 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: alpo. You are clueless.

And you are STILL a creep.

August 19, 2011 at 9:15 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

This is funny.

http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2011/08/19/90928

I wonder if the markets will stabilize while BO is on vacation, only to start tumbling when the job destroyer comes back on the scene and starts running his mouth again.

August 19, 2011 at 10:02 a.m.
carlB said...

It seems that not anybody is concerned about the using of the world's envirornment as a "heat sink" for all of the energy that is produced and that we use?
The newly generated heat energy has to be absorbed by the air, or the water.

August 19, 2011 at 11:10 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Lots of material out there Clay....with Obama and his sinking economy.....too bad you're just too partisan to captialize on it.

August 19, 2011 at 5:55 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"There is a difference in over sight and reasonable regulations and being a barrier to every attempt to become energy independent and to have clean safe energy." --- harp3339 ...this would infer intransigence on the part of the protesters.

"we believe it is ill-advised and premature to approve construction at this time," said a letter the group presented... ...this isn't intransigence. Premature means early (or rash, in this case), but is not a "barrier to every attempt to become energy independent", which is what you accused them of.

August 19, 2011 at 6:05 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Has anyone heard Bruce Bartlett's comments on Rick Perry? Did he really call Perry an idiot? Wasn't Bartlett Reagan's man? Why would he call Perry an idiot? Why would someone who was, apparently, a Treasury official under G.W. Bush publicly call Rick Perry an idiot? Aren't they both republicans?

August 19, 2011 at 6:16 p.m.
mymy said...

dude: Texas politics are involved between Bush/Perry camp. Ignor. You do not get enough news on the lefty media sites.

August 19, 2011 at 8:20 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

I think we all know who the clowns are in this crowd!

August 19, 2011 at 8:52 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Perry supported Al Gore, tell you anything about the real Mr. Perry.

The Man is schizophrenic.

August 19, 2011 at 8:54 p.m.
dude_abides said...

mymy... so neither can be trusted? Okay, now I get it.

August 19, 2011 at 9:45 p.m.
timbo said...

carbIB....A nice "theory" for an environmental whacko meeting but not science. An example is Mt. St. Helens. When it erupted it put hundreds more heat energy and carbon dioxide in the air than all of human activity in history. There are hundreds more volcanoes erupting every day. Where did that heat energy go? It was absorbed by a huge system that sees our activity as basically nil. This "theory" is being perpetrated by the "Green" industry to create markets that are based on nothing. It you create a fake "need" then somebody can make a fake solution and make money in the process. The government makes money by cap and trade, the green industry makes money from subsidized industries like solar, wind, etc. This is not science, it is just marketing.

The bottom line is this, if man has affected the global climate, that snowball is rolling down the hill. The system is so large that we cannot turn it around on a dime. It would take hundreds of years to change. We will all be gone by then. If that is the case we should spend our time getting ready for armegeddon (sic) than buying an electric car.

The good news is that nothing is happening that is not in the normal global climate that has happened over millions of years. Relax and don't spend your money.

Oh, before you tell me that most scientists believe this crap, that isn't true. The one's who preach this gospel are usually getting some kind of money to study this con.

August 20, 2011 at 10:31 a.m.
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