published Wednesday, August 24th, 2011

Train deaths continue to raise questions

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    Hamilton County Sheriff's Office Sgt. David Tittle walks past the last car of the train that struck a male and female Monday near Sale Creek.
    Photo by Tracey Trumbull /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

It remains unclear why a young man and woman were on railroad tracks near a farm in Sale Creek when they were struck by a locomotive Monday morning.

The deaths of 27-year-old Michael Hennen and 19-year-old Hannah Barnes bring the number of pedestrians killed by trains up to three this year in Hamilton County.

Jill Moody, state coordinator for Operation Lifesaver, a nonprofit dedicated to train safety, said people should treat railroad tracks as though a train is coming even if one is not in sight.

"We want people to always expect a train," she said.

Nearly half of collisions, whether they're with people or vehicles, take place within five miles of someone's home, Moody said, citing records from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Norfolk Southern, which owns the rail line where Hennen and Barnes were killed, said trains pass on those tracks as many as 25 times per day with no precise schedule.

Railway officials said the train crew saw something on the tracks and blew the horn. They contacted authorities after the accident.

Pamela Rymer O'Dwyer, a local attorney who specializes in railroad litigation, questions whether the train blew its horn since the crossing is on private property.

"If these people were caught unaware, it would be my belief there was some flaw in the horn itself or the horn was not blown," she said.

Even if the horn were blown, she said people underestimate the speed of the train, don't know the direction of the sound and often panic by going in the wrong direction, she said.

The train also was equipped with a rail view camera. Investigators with Hamilton County Sheriff's Office plan to view the images to learn more about what happened leading up to the accident.

Hennen was the son of Tim and Corinne McDonald Hennen, who own Hennen's Restaurant in downtown Chattanooga and established Big River Grille. Michael Hennen was also the great-grandson of Roy McDonald, who founded the Chattanooga Free Press and was the longtime publisher of the paper.

Michael Hennen was the grandson of Frank McDonald, who was the chairman and president of the paper from 1969 to 2000.

Outside the McDonald residence on Coulterville Road, where Barnes and Hennen were killed, the mailbox still reads "Roy McDonald."

A manager at Hennen's Restaurant declined to comment on behalf of the family Tuesday afternoon.

Barnes was a granddaughter of Dr. Marion Barnes, who was president of Covenant College from 1965 to 1978.

In Hamilton County, there are a total of 276 railroad crossings with 80 of those crossings on private property, according to data from the Federal Railroad Administration.

Statistics show there were three pedestrians killed by trains in Hamilton County in 2008, but none in 2009 and 2010.

Steven Underwood, 40, was killed attempting to save his dog from the railroad tracks in Soddy-Daisy near Bean Street and Daisy Dallas Road on April 26.

Statewide, there have been four pedestrian fatalities from January through May this year, according to Federal Railroad Administration data. For the same time period in Georgia, there were five.

After a train accident, data takes about six months before it's included in Federal Railroad Administration records.

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pneely said...

This article is a journalistic abomination. It contains nothing was not in the paper in the past few days. It exists solely for the sake of its headline. It is background mixed with speculation, with nothing new to report. It is a miss-mash of the past. It is not news. If I were editor of this newspaper, which I used to be, it would never have appeared. The fact that it did says a lot about the enormous drop in reporting standards in the past few years. This poor young reporter was assigned to keep the story going, and she did her best, but her effort was an absolute failure. It's not her fault; it's the fault of the assignment. If you don't have the story, don't go with it.

August 24, 2011 at 12:52 a.m.
sunnydelight said...

I just wish someone would come pick up the yellow plastic litter they throw on the roadside beside my driveway every Thursday. It is beginning to accumalate in the ditch again.If I littered like that I'm sure I would be fined by the State and County.

August 24, 2011 at 7:03 a.m.
Apache_Monk said...

Wrong, pneely. This is the first story to confirm they were pedestrians. It also raises the question of why they didn't get off the tracks. O'Dwyers statement,"..panic by going in the wrong direction" is kind of inane, hell,you run off the damn track! It also points out that it doesn't happen very often. I only perceive a few reasons for a pedestrian to be hit by a train: Rescue, suicide, drunk or high, mentally challenged, murder. In my conspiracy theory thinking it's a good cover for murder. Yes, pneely, more questions than answers. I'm interested in knowing more. You keep going Ms Burger, I want answers.

August 24, 2011 at 7:09 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Just my two cents, I think the article is informative. Yes, it is speculative; however, Pam O'Dwyer's comments were helpful. How fast the train was going would impact their reaction time. Sound travels slow and in that short of a time span coupled with their reaction time, all things ended in a terrible tragedy. The speed of the train makes sense as a factor. This article seems more reasonable to me than some of the other reports I have read implicating everything from suicide pacts to inebriation.

August 24, 2011 at 7:18 a.m.
dao1980 said...

C'mon sandy, speed of sound = 768mph..ish

I can't imagine this freight load outrunning its own sound.. or not being able to remove yourself from its imminent path for that matter.

It all still seems pretty dang fishy to me.

August 24, 2011 at 8:28 a.m.
moon4kat said...

It would be informative to know something about the lay of the track at the location where the people were hit. Were they on a curve, a dip, in a blind area, or on a straight line of track?

August 24, 2011 at 8:33 a.m.
Obalina said...

Please do not forget the pain and suffering the families of this young man and woman are going through at this time of loss. Please be in prayer for healing for their families.

August 24, 2011 at 9:05 a.m.
ChattaVol06 said...

Mr. Neely is correct, there is nothing new in this story except for speculation from a few people. It's been said in every story this week that they were pedestrians and no cars were involved, so Apache_Monk must not have read any of those stories. The comment from the RailRoad Litigation attorney is pretty stupid if you ask me... problems with the horn? Even if that is the case, you feel a train coming. Hope he's not positioning this for a lawsuit because Norfolk Southern shoudl have no liability in this accident. I agree that reporting has become less responsible in the past few years.

I am friends with Hannah's older brother and spent a lot of time with their family at their house during high school about a decade ago. They are most certainly having a tough time with this, and I don't think that it is fair for anyone to speculate on why/how this happened until the authorities have had time to review the train's camera and piece together the stories from people that were with them the evening before. Hopefully answers will come out and paint a better picture of what happened Monday morning. It is fishy and one thing is for sure, neither of these individuals would have wanted to commit suicide prior to whatever events occured that evening/morning.

God bless both of the families and God speed the souls of the two who were lost. I pray that their families find answers and can eventually have peace in their hearts. Nothing will ever take away their pain, and I hope that people will respect both of the families this week as they continue to grieve and plan for the two funerals.

August 24, 2011 at 9:14 a.m.
James101 said...

They were either stoned out of their mind or it was suicide.. I think personally that probably one of them were having some deep issues and was going to attempt suicide but at last minte the other one got dragged onto the tracks by the other.

August 24, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Scratch that part, Dao. What I am trying to figure out is how fast the train was going? How far does the train's headlight reach? How much time would there be between reaction time and when the train conductor spotted them with his headlight. So if the headlight spotted them, the conductor needed time for reaction and to sound the horn, that would pass for a couple of seconds. However, the couple should have been alerted to a train by the headlight being shown upon them before the sound. Even if the train was going 60 and the headlight goes for 1000 feet, there would still be a little time to get off the tracks. I wish the Times Free Press would get these answers. It took the train a mile to stop and only had 12 cars.
Also, did anyone else hear the train horn? Did the paper ask the neighbors if they heard a horn? It is a fishy story but would like to know more of Pam O'Dwyer's knowledge on the train itself.

August 24, 2011 at 9:36 a.m.
James101 said...

Its commom sense people that your going to see or hear or feel a train coming in general and esp if your on the tracks... I mean i know sometimes in life people dont want to think about what the truth really is but lets just use some common sense here. What would two ppl ( grownups ) be doing on tracks at that time of morning anyway??... So yea , they could have been murderd then put on tracks but in all probability its a suicide..

August 24, 2011 at 10:04 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

That is just to hard to fathom, James. One person, such as Anna Karenina, I could see, but not two people. Not that way. That is too horrifying.

This whole thing is bewildering, but I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say the train came at them fast, they might have been distracted or impaired; thus, had no time to react. There are no words for this tragedy. Unreal.

August 24, 2011 at 10:16 a.m.
tomatoketchup said...

My vote is for drugs. A 19 and 27 year old hanging out on train tracks in the early morning by a farm- I'd bet on a hallucinogen like LSD or mushrooms.

If they were indeed standing upright on the tracks, then they must have had sufficient motor control of their bodies to have the ability to take a few steps to the side to avoid an oncoming train, ruling out drugs like alcohol, GHB, or marijuana. PCP is a possibility, but pretty unlikely for a pair of upper middle class white kids.

Acid or shrooms, on the other hand, could totally explain why a person could completely ignore (or even find fascinating) a massive train coming right for them.

August 24, 2011 at 10:26 a.m.
weilix5612 said...

Would like to correct the reporter's error in that NS owns the tracks. The city of Cincinnati owns the line fron Cinc. to chatt. NS simply leases it

Now for the lawyer's comment about the horn. While it is not required to blow most private crossings. I can promise u the train crew didn't just sit there and watch as thier train ran someone over, they were laying on the horn. It is a very tramatic experiance to go through, one that most RR's go to great lengths to avoid.

@James101 this paper should hire u. Your r alot closer to what happened than this reporter

August 24, 2011 at 10:29 a.m.
slov said...

Just to clarify, this was not suicide, period. I'm not going to argue why.

Further more, the two were laying on the tracks, not standing. The location of the incident is at a straight line in the track. You can see about a 1/4 mile in each direction. The speed of a cargo train averages somewhere around 25mph with no train traveling more than 40mph (according to not very credible internet sources). So let's say that hypothetically, the train was traveling at 50mph it would take 18seconds to travel 1/4 mile. That would give these two individuals at the minimum 15 seconds to move out of the way. Yes, very strange indeed. (65mph people?? have you ever actually seen a cargo train moving anywhwere near that fast?? Be serious)

As to someone pointing out the possibility of being "high", I take it you have never done drugs becuase there is no effect that would inhibit your ability to hear or feel a train to this extent.

The horn being activated is recorded in the train's computer in addition to video footage. The police know far more than we do at this point. Let's please be respectful of the families and not speculate. I pray for the families suffering from lost loved ones.

August 24, 2011 at 10:34 a.m.
rolando said...

I haven't looked at a train's headlight[s] in decades, but used to be they had two -- a fixed one shining straight down the tracks and a second one that bobs and weaves in a figure-8 pattern.

The second is particularly bright and is designed to not only light up the side of the right-of-way, but to alert anyone up there.

Even if you are facing away from the train, those fixed and bobbing lights -- at 6AM -- is a definite clue that a train is on the track and it is headed your way. The noise and vibration of a roughly 400 ton monster locomotive combo pounding down a track at 60 mph and more is a never-forgotten experience. You cannot ignore or miss it -- provided you are awake and aware.

By the way, chattavol06...a very minor point -- the lawyer you mentioned is of some note who specializes in lawsuits against railroads regarding rail safety issues...she is not a lawyer for the railroad.

August 24, 2011 at 10:35 a.m.
rolando said...

Well, laying on the tracks complicates things a bit, doesn't it?

On another note, this could be the reason for the continual reporting of this tragedy:

"Mike Hennen is [sic] also the great-grandson of Roy McDonald, who founded the Chattanooga Free Press and was the longtime publisher of the paper. He was the grandson of Frank McDonald, who was the chairman and president of the paper from 1969 to 2000."

August 24, 2011 at 10:47 a.m.
James101 said...

I dont care if your standing or laying on a track or if its straight or curved or whatever.. If you are on or near the tracks your going to hear it ( between the vibration of ground and tracks ) and just the noise in general with horns and lights.. Plus in the article and on the news the people who lived up there knew that the train ran on those tracks daily multiple times and would also know the times. ( Yes , i know he just visited the farm but after so many times you wouuld know a train comes through there ) ... And to say it wasnt suicide or drugs is beyond stupid.. I mean so they just decided " Hey , why dont we just sleep under the stars tonight and sleep in the middle of a train track ".. Does that sound reasonable at all, NO... Its like people are afraid to admit or to think somebody would commit suicide because it takes away from the person they were.. Everybody has issues and some people cant bear them anymore but just because they decide to end in the way they do doesnt make them or the life they led any less important.. And just FYI , Mike was known to party a little which everybody has done in their life, so to say that Drugs or Drinking might not have been a factor is a lil immature to say.. And also im sure the families know what happend because they knew their daughter and son better then anybody.. So even though its a strange situation im sure they have more answers then ppl believe.. Its just sad all the way around and just wish peace to both familys during this time..

August 24, 2011 at 11:57 a.m.
dawgfan said...

I am extremely disappointed at the way some of you speculate that drugs were involved with no evidence and not knowing these two people. I am a close friend of both and am growing increasingly angry at the way that people want to jump to conclusions about what they were doing and why this happened. These families are grieving the terrible loss of two wonderful individuals and for you to comment on this the way you are you should be VERY ASHAMED of yourselves! Only GOD can judge them, as he will you when you pass and he will remember how terrible you treated the souls of these two and I'm sure many others you have judged with NO remorse. Mr. Neely is right, they are only continuing this story because they have nothing else to report on and it's all speculation just like the rest of you that have commented on this. Please just keep your thoughts and words to yourself until the investigation is over. No end may ever come of this but for the families sake, people, please make your own end to speculating and disrespecting them as you would not want if this were you or your family involved!

August 24, 2011 at 12:05 p.m.
James101 said...

Nobody is judging here.. Everybody is right to an opinion on things and just like any story whether national or local , when theres a mystery surrounding the events that happend theres going to be speculation... And to sit here DawgFan and say you have NEVER cast judgment on anybody is a laughable comment.. EVERYBODY at one time of their life or another has judged somebody or something.. Its just common sense once again for people to wonder why two adults would be standing or laying down either near or on train tracks in middle of morning.. And only way theres not an end to this is if somebody or something doesnt want us to know.. Because i think we all know if this were two homeless people or just two average joes that sooner or later all the facts would surface from the police either on the news or paper..

August 24, 2011 at 12:14 p.m.
papergirl77 said...

rolando I love how you always think your information is so informative and accurate. I personally don't care WHY they continue to report on this, only that they find out what happened to those poor kids.Isn't that or SHOULDN'T that be the most important thing?

August 24, 2011 at 1:10 p.m.
andystaab said...

I agree with James101. This is a discussion forum and at the very least this is quite an intriguing incident. I see nothing wrong with speculation. I find it really interesting. If we rule out the possibility of murder and their bodies placed on the tracks, then they willingly entered into the situation on their own. Is that a fair statement? If so, then why did they do so? As others have said, the only reasons I can think of are suicide or drugs/alcohol. Look, we aren't judging them. It is a puzzle and we're simply trying to figure out what happened. Just another thought, perhaps a murder/suicide? I hope we get the answers eventually. Yes, I know the families and friends are hurting. It goes without saying. I lost a close family member exactly one week ago. But please everyone let's not get all emotional and call others out for simply having an opinion. And the whole "God is gonna judge you one day" thing is, well, a fearful way to approach life.

August 24, 2011 at 1:21 p.m.
jackspring said...

God bless the Hennens and the Barnes--they are two caring, warm, intelligent families. I hate that they are in such pain--whatever the cause of the tragedy was.

August 24, 2011 at 1:21 p.m.
Katiebell said...

My heart goes out to the families of Michael Hennen and Hannah Barnes, but also to the crew on the train. Stay off the tracks people! The Train CANNOT STOP. The poor crew now has to live with this nightmare the rest of their lives and there was nothing they could have done to make the outcome different.

August 24, 2011 at 1:35 p.m.
LatrobeGirl said...

I would like to know how Slov knows that they were laying on the tracks and not standing. I've heard speculation of that, but Slov is stating it as a fact. Is it a FACT?

August 24, 2011 at 1:44 p.m.
James101 said...

You have a better chance of laying or standing in a road and not hearing a car before not hearing a train come down the track.. And to say " They might have been asleep " i know heavy sleepers and ALL of them would still wake up in time to hear a frieght train coming by.. And since we are throwing stuff out there , its also being REPORTED that she sent her mom a text at 4am saying " Im here at the Farm and im okay . Just wanted to let you know ".. Does that sound like somebody wanting to comit suicide , no but at same time she could have been sending that because her mom was worried about her. Or it could be that Michael was the one depressed and somehow she ended up dying too. We just dont know.. And just like somebody said above " They were laying down , not standing up " Once again its REPORTING because how do we really know unless they took a pic and sent it to somebody before accident or called somebody and said " Hey , you wont believe what we are doing right now.. We are laying on a train track looking at stars and its awesome".. So its all speculation at the end of the day. What we do know is a 27 yr old guy was with a 18 yr old girl at a remote farm and they were around train tracks in early morning and then found dead by them.. Those are the only facts we have..

August 24, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.

First, I would like to say that my thoughts and prayers go out to all that are affected by this tragedy. It is such a horrific situation, and I cannot imagine the grief of their loved ones and friends.

I don't want to speculate on anything at all, but for what it's worth I was just curious about the address provided in the story. The accident was reported to be at 15800 Coulterville Road, but that does not match the map in this story. If you look at Google maps, the north crossing of Coulterville Road and the tracks is around 16400, and it states that the two young individuals were slightly north of that area (larger numbered addresses). It appears closer to the McDonald farm area and a path crossing the tracks. 15800 is much more isolated, and while nearer to other homes, it doesn't look like an area anyone would get to from McDonald farm without quite a trek. Anyway, I am sure the investigators have all of the details, and I will pray they will provide information that may give those grieving some comfort. It is such a tragedy, and my heart breaks for the families. May God provide them great comfort in their time of need.

August 24, 2011 at 2:57 p.m.
spendy said...

My prayers go out to all involved in this freak accident. What a horrific nightmare for these families to face. Parents worst nightmare that's for sure.

August 24, 2011 at 3:35 p.m.
slov said...

Hypothetically if we ruled out suicide or being asleep or passed out from over intoxication of w/e, what is left? I can’t not point a finger at malicious or foul play. If I was to run with such a theory I would not dismiss the possibility of the two of them accidently seeing something or coming up on a situation they were not supposed to. If this is not the case, then I wonder who may have had an ulterior motive. I believe a 3rd party was involved either directly or indirectly.

August 24, 2011 at 4:10 p.m.
James101 said...

Slov been hitting the bottle too hard , this was no murder or anything.. Its either suicide or they were blitzed out of their mind from whatever and got killed.. The theory they got murdered then put on the train tracks is something out of a movie.. Why would the killer kill them then put them on the train tracks when he could have led them to all those open fields or ditches and did away with their body there.. The third party was either drugs or drinking or a mental break...

August 24, 2011 at 5:02 p.m.
rolando said...

"...find out what happened to those poor kids.Isn't that or SHOULDN'T that be the most important thing?"

Of course it is, papergirl. "Speculation" is what happens when the facts are unknown, incomplete, or undisclosed. [Need I mention Kaylee?]

And a twenty-seven year old is anything but a "kid"...

The Hennen family is well-connected within the TFP/business community. That is not judgmental. However, that alone guarantees continued coverage of their story.

With your login, one would suspect you already know that...or should.

August 24, 2011 at 5:05 p.m.
chattcat said...

Um James101, how are you so certain? You obviously haven't talked to anyone with NS and the fact that they said the bodies were draped over the tracks. I think your posts are ridiculous, did you know either Michael or Hannah?

August 24, 2011 at 5:36 p.m.
dondon3 said...

James and Slov, just curious...where did you get the information that the bodies were laying on the tracks (Slov) and that there was a text message sent to Hannah's mother at 4am (James)? I have been trying to follow this case as closely as possible, and I have not seen any reports that state either. If you have seen or read something that I haven't, please let me know.

Secondly,is there really a debate going on regarding the events that may or may not have taken place in the death of two young souls? I understand speculation and the sharing of other points of view. I can even jump on board with sharing information regarding the case that those who are interested may not have heard about. But when people start insulting each other because of their opinion, when no opinion is more solid than the other, it begins to get a little out of hand. I would hate to think that people are ellaborating the facts just to make a point or to appear correct in their opinions. And the God and judgment comments, although I'm sure they come with good intentions, are really not helpful. I would like answers just as much as the next person, so if anyone has ideas that remain on the point, please share.

August 24, 2011 at 5:51 p.m.
James101 said...

I actually know the Hennens and know they like to party and a few of them party Hard... Hey , i got an idea lets say " they got robbed at gunpoint and forced to lay on the tracks while being held down by rope like in the movies and cartoons.. Theres no reason that a 27 yr old man should be with a 19 yr old girl anyways. Thats the first thing weird about this. I understand working together but to be dating ( which the news reported that ) and partying with a 19 yr old is a lil strange.. And at the end of the day , I understand if you wanna watch the sunset come up or wanna walk the track but why is somebody going to lay or stand on it and let a train runthem over.... Two Reasons it can only be , one is they were on something or drunk or two that they were going to end their lives.. Im pretty sure if somebody was standing right beside them with a gun ( for all the murder theorys out there ) that the ppl on the train would have seen that.. Its just ashamed people cant come to grips that suicide is part of this eart and ppl do it for all kinds of reasons.. And just because one does , that doesnt make them less of a person or their life any less equal.. I knew somebody that jumped off a bridge once and it was known that even though they were hoping for a diffrent outcome that they decided to end their life.. And everybody was accepting of it and still loved that person for who they were.. Its like mentioning the word suicide is wrong but in reality i think most ppl that have been following this story would put money on that was the scenerio that happend.. And they keep saying they will watch the video , they should already have watched the video by now.. So in the end all the facts will or at least should come out unless certain people or other things dont want it too..

August 24, 2011 at 6:40 p.m.
chattcat said...

I'm glad you don't know me or my family, James, because you sure aren't being a good friend to them by stating all of your speculations and asking people to come to terms with suicide or a cartoon/movie robbery? Who has mentioned rope, robbery, etc? In FACT, Hannah and Michael weren't dating. She actually had a long term boyfriend. In a time when the media has only partial truths or speculations (which you state as fact) I think we all should be very sensitive and let the investigators do their job and let the families grieve without our opinions. As I have learned in life, news coverage isn't always the gospel, it is sometimes their perception or point of view.

August 24, 2011 at 7 p.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Disgusting and disgraceful, James. Unless you were the conductor himself, which I seriously doubt, you should not be saying they were laying down on the tracks.

Also, your rant about these recently deceased young adults is entirely disrespectful. They were adults and age isn't a factor at that point. Maybe they were in love? Maybe they were laughing and talking and oblivious to their surroundings? Who knows? All we know is there are two young people who are no longer with us, they leave behind heartbroken friends and family. We shouldn't try to speculate on what happened without evidence. Even if the gory details turned out to make you right, it isn't a time to gloat on it. It is a time for sorrow and respect.

August 24, 2011 at 7:12 p.m.
James101 said...

Well that makes it all better then that a 27 yr old is hanging out with a barely 19 yr old and she even had a boyfriend.. That just sounds juicy right there.. And i was referring the " rope and murder " to the ppl in above post from earlier and also just in general on facebook who want to think this is some big crime or murder when its JUST NOT.. Like i said people can get their panties all in a wad but theres no need for two adults to be beside train tracks in morning.. Theres better ways or places to see stars or sunsets or just talking if they were doing that.. And for ppl to say they couldnt have heard a train ROARING down the track and the ground vibrating without them being stoned/drunk or wanting to end it all is not thinking rationally.. And to be honest if you dont want people to know your lifestyle then dont go around boasting it or showing it... Like i said in above responses , the Hennens are great people and have done alot for the community but they didnt hide their flare for partying and thats just a FACT.. If people would just take the emotions out of it and just look at what we know for crtain so far it points to Suicide.. Thats not being mean but just being rational..

August 24, 2011 at 7:23 p.m.
dondon3 said...

James, you are ridiculous and insensitive. I still haven't received a response from as to where you are getting your information from. And now you throw in there that the news reported them dating...which is most definitely not true. They had mutual friends and hung out, so what? It's not that unheard of. I am confident now that you are making things up either to get a rise out of people or because you want to sound right. Your opinion means absolutely nothing and will never sway me to believe that what you are saying is true. So, believe what you want and speak however you want regarding this situation, but the way you language things is incredibly disrespectful. Because of that I am choosing not to read anymore of your posts. Not that you care, but I am just putting that out there. After all, you are the one who has to live with yourself at the end of the day.

August 24, 2011 at 8:41 p.m.
weilix5612 said...

actually they were lying across the tracks and made no movement as the train approached. This is one of the reason it is being throughly investigated.It is rare the when some commits suicide by train they dont look up at the engine at least once. the only times I have ever heard the person didn't make any movement was when drugs, alcohol, or foul play was involed.

@Solv I have rode and drove many a freight train but never have been on a cargo train. Track speed though there is 50 mph on a regular freight train and 60 on autorack and pig trains. Have ran the speed limit on several trains through there

August 24, 2011 at 8:42 p.m.
James101 said...

Now wait just a min Weillix , where you getting that information from??.. Because i havent seen that on news or paper so it must not be true.. Dont worry , you will get that speech from a few people on this feed because they are in fantasy land about the truth here and truth about these people.. And PLEASE dont say whether they were laying or standing because these ppl above us wont believe it til they see it.. I guess the two adults just floated across the tracks then til they got hit.. Im not being a wise guy but honestly a few of yall are letting emotions get in the way of common sense.. And DonDon , im so sorry to hurt your feelings and ruin your dream that this was anything besides a suicide... Everybody is entitled to an opinion and i have mine just like you have yours...

August 24, 2011 at 8:56 p.m.
rosebud said...

The fact that this newspaper is even allowing this discussion to continue says a lot about the state of the TFP, 2011. How low can they go?

August 24, 2011 at 10:30 p.m.
dondon3 said...

So because I am searching for facts I am living in a fantasy land? Now that just doesn't make sense. Trust me, you could never hurt my feelings so spare the apology. And never once did I say it wasn't suicide. I never said it was one thing over another. I just said I wanted to hear more factual information. Gosh, what an outlandish request.

Secondly, James, if you read back, I have not knocked your opinion. I believe what I focused on was your languaging and how you were being disrespectful. Practicing a little respect never hurt anyone.

Lastly, will someone please tell me where they are getting the information that they were lying on the tracks? The news report stated that the engineer said he saw two people standing.

August 24, 2011 at 10:41 p.m.
ElleEmMo said...

The video shows they were holding hands walking toward the train. That's all I will say. RIP.

August 24, 2011 at 10:48 p.m.
James101 said...

Exactly , that post above this proves it was Suicide!!!

August 24, 2011 at 10:51 p.m.
andystaab said...

Terrible tragedy. As someone said earlier, remember the crew who had to endure those moments. It must have been horrible. I don't think we'll hear the truth, not that we're entitled to it. And if someone "knows" facts which are unreported by the official investigators, please make sure you're correct. The families may read this and it would add to their pain if untruths were reported as fact. After having said all that, I can't reasonably come up with anything other than suicide or so completely stoned they didn't know what was happening.

August 24, 2011 at 11:03 p.m.
ElleEmMo said...

@andystaab I think your post hit the nail on the head. This story is so tragic and involves two popular families, so I think it's natural to have curiosity and speculate - which I think is a perfectly normal reaction. TFP provides a forum for opinions, so that's going to happen. However, I would just hope people show a little more kindness, sensitivity and compassion. Just because one has the right to type up whatever they want doesn't mean it's not in poor taste using poor judgment. There's no need to kick a family while they're down. If you pray, please pray for these two and their loved ones. If you don't, then please keep them in your thoughts. This tragedy has started a ripple effect on MANY young people's emotions that were close to these kids. They don't need their friends names drug thru the mud. Instead make sure they know the love and compassion we have for them. Is there an opportunity to remind people about train track safety? Absolutely. But not at the expense of defaming the dead. If you have a choice to "tell it like it is/how you see it" or to be civil; then just choose to be civil.

August 24, 2011 at 11:24 p.m.
James101 said...

Once again nobody is " kicking these Familys " down... All these post are opinions and EVERYBODY is entitled to it.. Nobody has said anything truly harsh , the problem is theres too many over sensitive ppl here and in the world. Sometimes you gotta talk about events or topics that you dont want too but need too.. And there doesnt need to be in " Train Track Safety " , just use common sense and dont be on or near a track at all unless you have to be and esp in the middle of morning or dusk.. Thats intresting that one dude knew they were walking towards the train though.. Where are the whiners asking him where he got his info at??. Exactly... Its all going to be speculative until the facts come out but its leaning more towards suicide and the evidence is pointing that way..

August 25, 2011 at 12:02 a.m.
hannahkucinski said...

Thank you @ElleEmMo. Hannah was a friend mine, we were not close but there are so many people that were friends with her and knew her personally and for you people to just take her name and stomp it in the ground when most of you did not know a single thing about her. Her family and friends have to read this ridiculous stuff you are posting about her and Mr. Hennen. If these "facts" you keep saying are true, where are they at, where are they on the news, in the paper? James was asked how many times where he was getting these facts and he has yet to say.... sounds a little fishy when you can't back this up and that someone is just trying to get a rise out of people. I guess whatever makes you sleep at night.. Yes I know this is a blog and you are right to your own opinion but badgering the deceased is utterly ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourself as a person. I would be very unhappy to know I had a friend like you, if you were a so called friend of the Hennen's. If you are investigating this crime scene and have the facts which you clearly wouldn't be able to release, I could understand each one of your standings but you aren't. Take into consideration that tons of people knew these two and are going through a very hard time and seeing your comments do not help the grieving process one bit. I pray that none of the people that have left these harsh comments ever has to go through a tragic loss such as this and that their loved one is not bashed like these two have been.

August 25, 2011 at 12:18 a.m.
423hero said...

Ms. Kucinski, I went to elementary with you and am glad to see you still stand up for people when they can't. I did not know Mr. Hennen and only knew Hannah Barnes through a class we had this past spring, but I cannot believe how people are treating this blog. Come on, regardless what they were doing it is no ones damn business. I understand people want to know what went on, but who wants to read peoples speculation, especially VIA internet conspiracy theories. You people are not Jerri Weary or anyone else with details about this case, so why continue to spread things about these two souls. Before i am attacked for MY THOUGHTS, I understand you are entitled to say what you want, hell i use my first amendment to make a living but there is a definite line that many people are crossing. I am not overly sensitive person, ive got tough skin and look forward to seeing how i am treated for speaking what i believe. Just think about more than yourself when you make such a tall order. Typical of Chattanooga

August 25, 2011 at 12:34 a.m.
James101 said...

Kucunski , have you not been reading the news , papers , blogs , facebook... There are facts and rumors all entangled out there and its everybodys job to believe what they want or think what they want... If yall are such great friends of them both , then why dont yall tell these fine bloggers about each ones " personal issues " if you know so much about them.. I mean you say not to say anything without knowing them but what about the ones that have partied with them or known ppl that have seen them do things.. Things by the way that could explain alot about that night.. BUT wait , lets not mention those things because we are just ruining their reputation.. Actually , we arent when those things are true and it was just a part of who they were.. It doesnt make them bad people as we all have made bad choices and done crazy things but if we are going to call it like it is lets call down the middle.. And certain ppl above keep saying " we are destroying their image or smearing name " How is that honestly? When in every post its just ppl opinion about what happend which isnt a personal attack and only other thing thats been mentioned is they both liked to party ( which if you knew them as some say they do then yall would know this ) AGAIN , nothing wrong with having a good time but it could also explain and or be cause of what really happend so in that case it is important to bring up.. And finally , im honestly not trying to come across as harsh or mean to them or their familys - im just stating opinions of things and a few facts i know.. And 423 , i wont attack you for your thoughts.. I think we can all agree at least that by now they should have viewed tape and have given the public some answers. Yea , they might not know what was in their system if anything but they can answer other questions that remain mystery.. WHERES THE ANSWERS!

August 25, 2011 at 12:55 a.m.
423hero said...

I agree with you fully about the answers (probably why the article is titled continues to raise questions) and the time the city has had to process this, but what else do you expect from a police force that won't release the true homicide statistics for this year. Chattanooga has a crime problem, yet everyone thinks bangers are only draping blue and red (please do not think i believe there is a correlation to this and that) due to the lack of information provided from Chatt's finest. This city doesn't give answers and at this point they should be irrelevant to us, we are not these people family ( I am sorry for your loss those who are) and we should be paying our respects instead of saying these outlandish things, even the fact we are going back and forth over this is sad (guilty of this myself) . I thank you James for not bashing my thoughts and I agree with you about calling it down the middle. I am not here to start beef, I am just saying if you happened to pass, I do not think you would want people telling your whole party life over a blog because there was a mystery surrounding your demise.

... and to the person complaining about litter, get off your ass and do something instead of posting your gripes over a blog relating to people who have passed. You should feel as small as the importance of your comment.

August 25, 2011 at 1:22 a.m.
fftspam said...

2 I doubt the real 'pneely' would be posting in this forum.

August 25, 2011 at 4:35 a.m.
rolando said...

I never fully understand what people expect to see in these comments about death. Evidently nothing but glowing tributes to the dead, fond memories, etc and are shocked -- shocked, I say -- at the realities of life staring them in the face. I doubt any of the aggrieved read them...much less the article detailing the death. I certainly wouldn't.

The facts known so far are in the article above, not down here. This section deals with speculation, opinion, and thoughts -- not facts, per se.

Those who complain about an alleged lack of respect should not read these comments beyond the first few...unless they grant everyone here the same right to free speech -- without reservation -- they are so willingly given.

This newspaper does not censor. Oh, certain grossly inflammatory and insulting words are eliminated, the f-word, the n-word, etc but that is certainly expected. They even let name-calling be posted, "bastard", for instance.

Personally, as an adult, I find that most commendable in a newspaper...I like my facts straight. I can handle it.

August 25, 2011 at 7:25 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Of course the TFP isn't going to censor opinions and speculation that aren't profane.

What is kind of surprising, and even a little funny, is this first comment on my profile that was left many moons ago by a colorful character that offered interesting points of view.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/users/dao1980/

The TFP ain't gonna censor that one either!

August 25, 2011 at 7:57 a.m.
libby119 said...

For all of you who want to post that these two were on drugs, keep those comments to yourselves. You should be ashamed of yourselves for accusing these two of something like that when they have now lost their lives. Instead of accusing someone of something you have no idea about, you should put your energy into praying for these families. Be a little more respectful. If this were your family, the last thing you would want to hear would be that your family member was high and that is why he/she died.

My thoughts and prayers are with the Hennon and Barnes families.

August 25, 2011 at 10:13 a.m.
ChattaVol06 said...

James seems to get his own kind of high commenting and speculating on the deaths of Michael and Hannah and arguing with others over whether he has the freedom to post such controversial remarks. The paper is not going to censor him, but I think he shows a lack of respect and self control. He says that we should not be so overly-sensitive, but many of us knew Michael, Hannah or their families, and it is impossible to remove emotion when reading James' comments knowing them. James claims to know the Hennens well, but surely he wouldn't conduct himself in this manner if he were a true friend of their family. As another poster said, hopefully James doesn't have a terrible tragedy occur in his life where others may do as he has done and rub salt in the fresh wounds of losing a family member or friend. The comments section is here for us to freely comment, but that doesn't mean you should abandon your own sense of self-control. As I already said, the fact that James has posted many many times and been so controversial says a lot to me about the type of person he is. Perhaps we should be praying for him as well when we are praying for these two families.

August 25, 2011 at 11:16 a.m.
McRand said...

Philippians 4:8

King James Version (KJV)

8Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

August 25, 2011 at 12:28 p.m.
jowest20 said...

James you are a complete a$$hole to say the least...no way in the world you are married or have kids and if you do, bless their heart to have a daddy and husband like yourself. Would love to know who you are and catch you out somewhere...just uncalled for and inappropriate. People amaze me sometime...just for one second James, put yourself in their parents shoes, brothers/sisters shoes, friends shoes...probably can't cause you have neither

August 25, 2011 at 12:58 p.m.
andystaab said...

Internet forum threads frequently degrade into name calling, bashing, assumptions, misunderstandings, and other manner of negativity. If I feel any shame, it's that I'm a part of the human race. I'm really serious about that. Some of these posts do make me cringe, but I implicitly waived my right to not be offended when I opened the web page, didn't I??

You have to expect to read things that conflict with your values, religion, etc. when you participate. Don't take stuff so seriously. I admit, I've become upset in the past, and will likely and unfortunately do so again, but I try to back away from the keyboard when I feel like lashing out. 99% of the time, I don't post after I think about it. When I do post, I try to add something positive.

I apologize that this post is off topic. I guess it's my way of saying, "everyone just calm down and be respectable..." Not seeing much love here.

August 25, 2011 at 1:25 p.m.
tomatoketchup said...

Agreed with andystaab. I've been ashamed of the human race for as long as I can remember, though it's hilarious seeing people throwing the god/jesus card, then making a violent declaration against someone who has a different opinion. Isn't there something about turning the other cheek in the bible? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I think the opinions in this discussion are all valid. From my point of view, I'm very curious about what actually happened on those tracks for the sake of myself and my friends; if a serial killer who likes to clobber people and lay them across train tracks is roaming the city, it'd be kinda nice to know such information.

August 25, 2011 at 2:10 p.m.
rolando said...

Fully agree, andystaab...with one wee exception -- there is no "right" not to be offended. The Founders certainly didn't hesitate to offend.

August 25, 2011 at 3:54 p.m.
LatrobeGirl said...

Well, all I am seeing on this forum is a lot of speculation and no actual facts. People state some things as facts, but will not disclose how they know these things, so I personally believe these so-called "facts" are simply rumors.

The bottom line is that two young people with unlimited potential are now dead. How and why remains to be discovered...

August 25, 2011 at 4:30 p.m.
Hennenfriend said...

I created account just to respond to some of these ridiculous peoples'speculation. James is an outright idiot! And that's not being judgemental, it is using common sense from reading his post. NO ONE has viewed the railcar tape yet so for whoever said they were holding hands walking towards the train should be ashamed of themselves. It's okay to speculate in verbal discussions amongst friends but to air it out here is not right or respectful of either family. Let the investigation take place (i agree the tapes should have been viewed by now) and then try and understand and educate your loved ones so this doesn't happen to your loved ones. The biggest contradiction in all of the reporting right now is whether they were standing or laying on the tracks and until that is determined no one can accurately do anything. I can tell you from everything that everybody knows about these 2 Great individuals is Suicide was not what happened on that morning. James, it is okay to have friends that are either 9 (or more) years younger or older than you. If all of your friends are about your age that doesn't say much about your social skills or your ability to rationally speculate on anything. Let's all wait and see what the investigation reports can substaniate before we speculate any further. God Bless The Hennen & The Barnes families!

August 25, 2011 at 5:10 p.m.
pcvmk7 said...

Hannah was a good family friend of mine, and the girlfriend of family member. this was most definently not a suicide. Hannahs purse, cell, and car were still at the restaurant from the night before, which has raised many suspicions other than those already in question. police are reviewing tapes and doing a further investigation. no one right now can say exactly what happened. but something wasnt right here, many parts of this story dont add up. i hope they will be able to come to some conclusion sooner than later and give both families some peace. my heart goes out to the Hennen and Barnes families.

August 25, 2011 at 5:33 p.m.
susiehomemaker said...

I have been reading this blog since it began and would just like to say as a member of the community in Sale Creek I am saddened by the loss of these two young adults. For whatever reason they are gone. I pray to GOD that the families find the truth no matter what.

August 25, 2011 at 7:13 p.m.
James101 said...

It doesnt matter if they were standing or laying , they still got hit by the train either way.. And for the person that says it wasnt a suicide because " her purse and cell phone and car was still at restraunt" is lying.. Because any tennager or young adult is going to have their phone with them so they can text away or call ppl.. And of course her car is still there , why would they drive seperatly if they are going to the same place and going together.. And to everybody who says its not what it appears , that only means one other option which is murder.. And i highly doubt anybody murdered them ( because if your going that route you must think about it was a drug deal gone bad or robbery ) and i know half of these ppl could never imagine these sweet two ppl doing drugs or being associated with it.. I hate to burst your bubble , ill admit i didnt know Hannah but i knew Hennen and hung out in crowds with him and he liked to " party ".. Thats not being mean thats telling the truth and being honest. And if these other so called friends of him really knew him they would know that too and could admit it.. So at the end of the day we are stuck with two options , either suicide or murder and ill stick with suicide because thats what i see as happening.. And when it does come out as a suicide hopefully yall wont be afraid to say the word and associate it with them or other people.. Its part of life and it doesnt mean those people are bad ppl or those lives are any less important.. And lastly , i wasnt the one who said about them heading into train and holding hands.. Somebody had mentioned that above my post and i was repeating it.. I see these good ole ppl that dont like me didnt jump all over that Post when they said that.. lol

August 25, 2011 at 7:40 p.m.

Why is everyone getting so aggressive about this? These 2 young adults were not related to any of you and that shows by your attitudes, disrespect and rudeness. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but with limits in respect to the deceased! Her commiting suicide is out of the question according to everyone who knew her. What every happened will be released eventually- so until then just chill out with the attacks on each other and these families. She was a beautiful young woman who died in a HORRIBLE manner...and if this was your sister or daughter- your compassion and empathy level would be raised to the max. So pretend it was and be a little more sympathetic to these families. God Bless all the people suffering from this loss...especially my cousin and his fiance (who happens to be the Hannah's sister.)

August 25, 2011 at 8:01 p.m.
James101 said...

Well its either Suicide or Murder or Murder by Suicide , those are the ONLY choices it can be.. The ones who are narrow minded are going to believe they got robbed or something and the ones looking at the evidence being shown SO FAR are going to say suicide.. And once again , what are people saying thats so disrespectful?? I mean the guy partied here an there , its not like saying he was a criminal.. It be the same thing if someone had died and before hand had gone to jail at some point in their life.. Would you not be allowed to bring that up at all or would that be too harsh? Some might think its harsh and some might think its just telling facts about that persons life. I'll br th first one to admit he did wonderful things for people as well as his family but if we mention the good then why cant no one ever bring up touchy subjects.. Sorry but i think thats a double standard..

August 25, 2011 at 8:07 p.m.
arc123 said...

I am blown away by your complete and udder disrespect of Michael and Hannah! You need to find something better to do,rather than write hateful comments. The only two people that know what happened are gone, so back off and let some more information come out. You don't know what happened, because you weren't there! I am all for having an opinion, and you have more than shared yours. Now it's time for you to quit being so disrespectful, and just agree to disagree. Michael, your infectious smile and spirit will be greatly missed! See you again one day, Friend.

August 25, 2011 at 8:23 p.m.
James101 said...

Blah Blah Blah... If yall cant take the heat ( AKA The Truth ) then quit posting or reading on here... And im not being disrespectful , im just sharing the good with the bad... I mean i could really be mean and rude and go into reasons why they may never know if anything was in their systems ( i think we all know the answers to that one ) but i havent and wouldnt go there because i do believe stuff like that is un called for.. But once again to give opinions and facts and questions about these two or the events around the death are not uncalled for and everybody has a right to do it...

August 25, 2011 at 8:36 p.m.
James101 said...

Well , Well , Well... If you go to the Chattanoogan.com , they have an article up talking to the sheriff and eye witness and the cop says " It looks like nothing sinister happend here " and eye witness said she had just prior drove over tracks and that the train was blowing its horn and had its lights on.. So is that enough proof or " facts " that sway alot to one assumption or are we all still in denial?.. Again , these arent my opinions but Facts from a story that are backed up by people.. So i cant wait to hear some of the above postees try to get around this ...

August 25, 2011 at 11:15 p.m.
james102 said...

James, you seemingly have no life. Two young people just died and ever since then, you have been posting ridiculous comments every hour on articles that have NOTHING to do with you. Of course you are free to speculate and develop your own opinion, but I think everyone would appreciate it if you kept your individual feelings to your self. Breaking news for you: no one cares what you think. "Blah Blah Blah... Well, Well, Well." you sound like an arrogant as* hole in a fight. What entitles you to speak for the newspaper, the authorities, the families, and even the two young people? You act as if you are a close friend of the family with all the inside information when in reality, you are not AT ALL. I have a million more things to tell you; but you sir are not worth my time. Do EVERYONE including yourself a favor and MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. Rest in peace, Michael and Hannah, you will be gravely missed. To the families: you are now and forever in my prayers. I apologize for people like James.

August 26, 2011 at 3:16 a.m.
BigCousin said...

I would like to thank those of you with respectful and thoughtful comments. While James has touched on some important points. What about the tapes? and It is speculation are true. The rest is complete and utter crap, and he is an idiot. It is speculation. You are now overspeculating and coming up with crap. If you are really good at investigating then become a cop or a real reporter, not a hidden blog repeater who is muckraking the whole situation. Why would a family member read this blog?-Because they were unable to break away from work for one reason or another and tried to find out what they could from this newspaper's website. The respectful comments written are soothing and appreciated. Personal issues. I think everyone has personal issues. Honestly, Michael had become more level headed and more on top of it all than he had been in High School, but that is the same with most of us. I don't know what rumors you hear James, but they are that rumors and speculation. You have made your degraded points clear by now, and some of us are sick and tired of hearing them. If you would like to personally inform me of them, I would be

August 26, 2011 at 12:24 p.m.
BigCousin said...

very willing to listen to your crap in person. How about this weekend? You are certainly not a friend of the family. Chattanooga is such a small town that all you have to do is brag about this crap talking of yours and word will circulate. The Hennens do not want friends like you. Ask a Hennen's friend- "How do they treat you?" The Hennens firmly believe in doing whatever they can for their friends and others. I guarantee! As for the age thing. I am 30. I have friends aged 20-60. Apparently you dont. Stay away from the Hennens, because they certainly dont want you as a friend. For friends and family of Hannah, our prayers our with you. Michael, we love you and miss you and will think of you fondly always.

August 26, 2011 at 12:27 p.m.
andystaab said...

I wrote a juicy post that I admit was more ranting against the aggressors on this thread than anything else. Writing it made me feel better. But I don't want to incite a riot, or worse, have someone piously pray for me, so I deleted it.

August 26, 2011 at 1:24 p.m.
James101 said...

Ha... Once again everybody has their panties in a wad.. If you dont like what is being posted here then quit reading or responding.. And dont get mad at me that the Chattanoogan.com has an article up that spoke with " REAL People " dealing with this story and they all said that " Nothing looks sinister here ( which means no murder ) and that the train had its lights on and horn blowing.. So putting aside all feelings for me or you or whatever , whatelse does that leave that happend to them?.. Im not rubbing it anybodys face or im happy they chose that route but if they did ( which its DEF looking more like they did ) then it needs to be called what it is and asked Why would they do that.. Thats all ive ever try to express and come across as but everybody wants to jump me because im the only one using the " S " word out there or talking about how somebody like to be out on the town here an there.. Big whoppy dooo people , everybody parties and i said that from the beginning as well as that didnt take away from the person he was or did for the community.. So give me examples of EXACTLY how ive made degraded comments about them or familys or whatever yall are mad about??.. Instead all i hear from certain ppl in here is , " They were both good people and leave them alone and ill pray for yall " ...

August 26, 2011 at 2:01 p.m.
andystaab said...

James101, I think there's a misconception that panties are supposed to be worn in a wad. FWIW, I appreciate your input. You're one of the few who is actually staying on topic, which is "what happened in this incident?"

August 26, 2011 at 2:10 p.m.
James101 said...

Andy, i want to hear that juicy post you were going to write

August 26, 2011 at 2:24 p.m.
BigCousin said...

What is wrong is the fact that both andy and James seem to be enjoying seeing the responses that what they are saying upsets people. That is fact. Enough people have said this, that it might be true about your approach to this. Andy you have said you have been restrained, that is appreciated. The problem is YOU TWO are the aggressors. You have made your point, been informed it is being taken poorly, and continue to try and stick everyone's face in it. But the facts are this- No further information has come out and you continued response to drugs and suicide are old. I cannot speak about Hannah, but Michael was happy. What makes this a mystery is everything. People who actually give a $hit about this situation are looking into it, and your theories might as well be tied into catcher in the rye. Two loved people are dead. Honor their memories and let it be. You have not added anything informative, helpful, or useful since you made your original point. Just your glee that people are upset with what you have said. You had your 2 cents, and it isnt worth that. Drop it. I will happily talk to you if you want to tell me all of these theories over a coffee or drink this weekend if you feel like it, maybe we can get some truly meaninful rhetoric going. You have the right to say what you want, I just wish you had the empathy to understand what you are writing, and how the lack of information and fact does not help. People's panties in a wad. Two people are dead and you two keep speculating for fun. RESPECT.

August 26, 2011 at 3:55 p.m.
James101 said...

What are you talking about no further info has come out... That article on the Chattanoogan.com yesterday was new with the interview of the Sheriff and eye witnesses.. The FACT is that certain people here dont wanna believe the truth of what really happend.. If they had gotten shot or murdered id be saying they got shot or murdered but when EVERYTHING points to other things then why arent we allowed to say it.. As it has been reported " Nothing Sinister happend here " whivh means no murder.. So its time to start realizing what REALLY happend here and the facts will probably never come out because of the familiy's ties and organazations to the community.. If it is a murder we will be hearing and would have heard about it by now because of leads and etc but when its the big " S " everybody is ashamed and it will be swept under the rug..

August 26, 2011 at 4:39 p.m.
andystaab said...

I think the problem is that there's a difference in opinion on the purpose of this venue. Everyone agrees that this was a tragic event. Aside from tragic, it's darned odd that two young adults met their end at that location, in that manner, and at that time of day. Maybe not intriguing to some, but it's kind of along the level of one of those 48 Hours television mysteries.

So it is wrong to objectively and logically mention each possibility for the event? I don't know James101. I have no motivation to defend him other than he's being ganged up on with name-calling and invites for a personal meeting (that scares me, I'm afraid).

What about the JonBenet Ramsey case which is still unsolved? I suppose it is just plain aggressive and wrong to discuss the possibility that one of the parent's or family friend did it? How is that different than this case? Now, if I personally knew the Ramsey's or the Hennens or Barnes, then it would be a different story and I would be emotionally invested and upset whenever any negative theories were discussed. It's understandable. I hope it is equally understandable that people just enjoy discussing crime theories. I think that's the difference. Can each side please just respect the viewpoint of the other without the juvenile attacks? Of course, I expect this post to be interpreted as an attack, so please don't disappoint me.

If someone is dealing with pain over this sad event, that is terrible and my heart goes out to you. That includes everyone on this thread. I mean you no disrespect and further, I wish you a speedy emotional recovery. But please understand that there is another group of people in the community who didn't know these two unfortunate individuals and we're just discussing theories. No one is trying to drag anyone's reputation through the mud.

August 26, 2011 at 4:59 p.m.
james102 said...

James, I hope you realize that everyone reading this is ashamed of you. I talk to my friends and all they have to say is: "Can you believe this James guy commenting on the articles? People are suffering and he is doing nothing but making it worse." Is that your goal? Are you trying to make this tragedy tougher to endure? If so, you have succeeded. Congratulations, I hope others' pain and sorrow continue to make you happy. Continue to boast your loving opinions! Or do everyone a favor and keep your thoughts to yourself. Not once have I heard you say that the grieving families and friends are in your prayers. Not once. Look in the mirror, you should see a devil.

August 26, 2011 at 5:04 p.m.
James101 said...

Dont worry Andy , they will still have the pitch forks after me no matter what.. And for james102 if you have read through ALL my post i have mentioned here an there that i feel for the family and thoughts are with me.. Like Andy said though , i have not talked bad about these ppl at all - only things i mentioned were #1. I PERSONALLY think its a suicide and heres why.. #2. That he liked to party ( which i also pointed out that everybody has or does in their life. And with that being the case you have to at least look into that ). Those are the only two questionable things ive ever said.. And for the suicide thought , i PROMISE you im not the only one in Chattanooga who thinks that. And id be willing to go further and say if you took a poll that most would agree with my theory.. Thats not bad mouthing anybody , thats just going with what facts we have.. And if you start at the top of the Feed , im not the only one who has leaned towards suicide and given my reasons but nobody jumped on those ppl. So honestly how is that fair or diffrent?. Dude yesterday said " They were walking towards train and holding hands " now how does he know that and wheres proof but the riot squad didnt go after him.. This is a forum too talk and give opinions , not everybody is going to agree but doesnt mean im trying to hurt ppl or degrade the dead.. And andy , i as well love how people want to " meet up " to talk as well.. I might end up at the bottom of the river for not agreeing with all these people.. LOL... I promise ALL of you if the cops thought it was murder we would have heard more by now.. Because obviously they dont know who would want to do this or who it is so they would need public attention and help.. The less you hear about it the more it SCREAMS quietly that its Suicide.. Im sorry but if you look at past tragic events and how they were dealt with thats always how the outcomes are..

August 26, 2011 at 5:31 p.m.
rolando said...

Death under mysterious circumstances always holds a certain fascination; it can happen to any of us, you see.

This forum is a place for discussion, for what-ifs, for speculation, and just plain guessing. All aspects are explored. No subject is completely verboten...although certain inflammatory words are. Everything is opinion -- absolutely everything.

Those who do not understand that -- or cannot appreciate this wonder called "free speech" -- really don't belong here...because they cannot understand what is happening here.

This forum is not an obituary column; that lies elsewhere within the Times-Free Press. If you are looking for only comfort, kind words and wonderful tales about the dead, this is not the right place to look...although those words and those seekers are also welcome here. We are not cold-blooded or insensitive to the trials of others...even if it appears that way.

We all must deal with tragedy...and we all have our own way of it.

<soapbox=OFF

August 26, 2011 at 5:38 p.m.
James101 said...

Good Job Rolando...

August 26, 2011 at 5:49 p.m.
kb said...

Let's remember that regardless of intelligence or couth, anyone can make comments on these boards. Each time someone responds to James101, they are validating and fueling him to continue posting his idiocies.

Although I did not personally know Michael or Hannah, I pray for their families during this time of sadness. I can say that I know several of the Hennen brothers and I have never know a family with such integrity. Mike would give you the shirt off his back and everything else and still feel like he should do more. This is an amazing family who deserves respect and support, not baseless theories.

For those who make the disrepectful comments, you obviously have not experienced loss.

August 26, 2011 at 6:09 p.m.
James101 said...

Another person who isnt facing reality , there are FACTS here.. Its just that people dont wanna believe that these two could take their lives.. I'll tell yall what , and i swear on anything ill keep this promise.. If its not suicide then give me multiple reasons why/how it could be murder??. Because even if its not confirmed facts yet , theres still things pointing to suicide..If you can then ill drop the suicide talk and theorys since there would be another reasonable excplanation for this tragic event.. I think thats fair enough..

August 26, 2011 at 6:27 p.m.
BigCousin said...

After reading further posts, this will probably be my last one. Andy, I certainly see your point. It does hold intrigue, but as one affected by this incident I was not looking at it like that. Rolando, I agree with free speech. The reason why I originally looked into these comments was to find further information, as well as hear theories. That James101 had to keep responding with no data and jamming his point in that is HAS to be drugs or suicide is getting overdone. Everyone who has read these posts know his opinion, not the truth, but his opinion, which is his right. The fact that he doesn't want to stop is also his right, but just proves he is a tool. I was silly of me to invite James for a drink, I was just tired of his repeated statements and claims that he knows the family and such. As I believe, and as kb pointed out, the Hennen's stand by their friends, and would do anything they could to help, why does James101 claim that the Hennen's are covering it up, stupidity. I am also behind James102. You went from having theories, to trying to get a rise out of people with some ridiculous statements. If there was anything of substance to these statements they would hold meaning. In the end, they are circulating rumors again and again. We ALL want to know what happened. The fact that James tells people they can't handle The Truth is crap. You are continually speculating on 2 points - Drugs and suicide- everyone who gets this point. So far you have added nothing more of value. Noboddy knows. You have jammed those 2 points down everyone's throats. I am open to realistic ideas- but yours are drugs, suicide,pacts, over-partying, calling people out, issues with the family, conspiracy theories of evidence. Baseless ramblings of an idiot, speculation of speculation and wanting others to post "juicy" info. James101 knows he is causing pain. He is fine with it, and am done responding to it. Rol and Andy, I hope the truth does come out, and if this thread helps find it I am all for it. I am just tired of the conspiracy speculation of a lunatic. Yes the possibilities for many things are there, but compare the early posts to now, and nothing new or productive has been posted. Trust me, the statements made in this thread have surpassed this thread alone, which is why I came back and posted after the initial article. It is clear 101 will get the last word in, so be it.

August 26, 2011 at 7:05 p.m.
James101 said...

The problem is YALL cant Handle The Truth... The Truth is and will be once said , Suicide... Once again a few people have responded since i asked for evidence pointing towards something else and yet NOBODY has said diffrently.. Like somebody said earlier today , if people want to mourn and etc go to the Obituary section.. This is a forum for TALKING and discussing... And to think people dont get away with things or things get covered up because of who you are or who you know is STUPID.. It happens every day in every city of every state.. Some of yall are just not in reality. Quit concentrating so much on blowing yalls noses and wiping away tears and start getting with the program.. This weekend just remember to have a drink or two or smoke a joint or do a line in honor of all those who have passed before us..

August 26, 2011 at 7:23 p.m.
andystaab said...

Man, Rolando, you rock.

August 26, 2011 at 7:47 p.m.
rolando said...

I am simply a free-speech nut, 101 and andy. A rather tolerant one on the subject since everyone has that inborn right. I even try to encourage it and strongly support the rest of the Constitution, as written and Amended...actually, I am solemnly sworn, of my own free will, to do that.

Paul Harvey said it best, listen for "The Rest Of The Story"...the other guys viewpoint. Both are valid and my cast some light...

God. I am getting pedantic. I hate that. Sorry.

August 26, 2011 at 8:34 p.m.
rolando said...

kb said, "For those who make the disrepectful comments, you obviously have not experienced loss."

I would hazard a guess that you have not often experienced death up close and personal, kb. Listen to a couple of combat vets, ER techs, EMT people, policemen, or anyone who has seen violent or "messy" death; listen to them discuss death among themselves. One would think they are callous, disrespectful, unfeeling.

Except for that last, you might be partially right -- but it is "graveyard humor" or an attempt to dull the impact that close-up and personal death has on each of us and not anything else. Disrespectful? Not bloody likely. They are literally laughing and showing defiance in Death's face. Go scrape up bodies with a shovel for a while and see how you deal with it. Or, for a time, tell young wives their husbands has been killed in battle. Think you can chance losing control of your emotions at times like that? Or should you perhaps remain stoic, unemotional, stone-faced?

Unfeeling? On that one, you are totally wrong. Just because they don't wear their hearts on their sleeve doesn't mean they don't care.

August 26, 2011 at 9:15 p.m.
james102 said...

James, why are you so intent on being right in your theories? You act like you are in an argument trying to prove your point and win something. There is nothing to win here. The only thing here is loss. The loss of two young, innocent people. I am SHOCKED and disappointed that you have the audacity to say, "Quit concentrating so much on blowing yalls noses and wiping away tears and start getting with the program." Are you kidding me? How would you feel if someone close to you died? Would you "blow your nose and wipe away your tears" or would you get with the so called, "program?" Just because these two people were not close to you does not give you the right to act in such a manner. Of course you have the right to talk and speculate, but that is it. Did your mom or dad never tell you, "if you do not have anything nice to say, do no say anything at all?" Treat others how you would want to be treated buddy. Wow.

August 26, 2011 at 10:12 p.m.
James101 said...

James 102 and others , quit the belly aching... If you cant take Free Speech then quit coming to the site.. Im sorry for the ones that were " close " to them that they took their own lives and the hurt they put on their families as well as close friends.. There was no reason for two adults to be on or near train tracks at that time of morning more less anytime really.. And with her leaving her car at restraunt im sure they went up there with friends to hangout or just hangout by themselves. So thats why she didnt take her car because its pointless to drive two diffrent cars if going to the same place.. Now this is where it gets tricky because there are two scenerios - #1. They were hanging out and all of a sudden up there in the country a Bad Guy appeared and murdered them and then drug them to tracks to either lay them down on tracks or stand them up on tracks.. #2. They were partying either with friends or by themselves and it either involved drinking or something else or a combo and that made them lose their surroundings for whatever reason at some point and an accident happend.. #3. They were stone cold sober and one or both of them were having issues and decided to take their life.. For all we know it could have been one on the track and the other was trying to talk too them and they got held by the other while it happend?.. I AGREE , we just dont know what happend but those are the ONLY 3 options it could be.. And thats where people will speculate and form opinions and go with one of the three.. And to each their own opinion BUT at same time in all fairness nothing has come out or supported murder.. Actually everything points away from that with cop saying " NOTHING SINISTER HAPPEND HERE " which would include murder. Which leaves the other two options of either being under the influence of whatever it was and made them have an accident or they commited suicide.. Thats where everybody has to form their own opinion of what happend until its realesed what really occured if it ever does..

August 26, 2011 at 10:46 p.m.
James101 said...

I guess everybody finally saw the Light and know im right....

August 27, 2011 at 8:40 p.m.
nooganative said...

James101, Andystaab, and rolando: you are all losers that need to find something better to do with your life.

August 28, 2011 at 12:04 a.m.
James101 said...

Let me guess , your another one that cant stand the fact that two ppl " more then likely " took their own lives so now your going to join the lynch mob and go after the ppl in here that speak the truth... What a shocker

August 28, 2011 at 12:24 a.m.
CharlesMartel said...

Something most of you probably haven't thought about is that the Hennen boy was given a funeral in the Roman Church, and that is generally frowned upon if the deceased had committed suicide (although, it is a lot easier for them to get a Roman funeral these days, it still requires more than a funeral without the cause of death being labelled "suicide" by the secular authorities).

As soon as I knew who it was that died, I knew the cause of death would be suppressed, at least until after the funeral, if not forever.

August 28, 2011 at 12:39 a.m.
James101 said...

Now days you can have any funeral you want... Dont give me that bull crap.. Gotta come up with better stuff to support your murder claims then that.. I mean we could say we frown upon the Cathoilc faith because they go out and sin all week long then go do a few Hailmarys at church and repeat same process all over the next week.. So im pretty sure with that stuff going on that they will bury anybody thats part of their faith.. I give Charles crdit though for at least trying instead of just writing " You are a mea person who has no love for anybody and shame on you and blah blah blah "..

August 28, 2011 at 1:22 a.m.
CharlesMartel said...

Hey James101, I advise you not to stay up late drinking and posting on the innernets.

Anyway, first of all, you can NOT have "any funeral you want." The Roman Church still has some absolutes, and I know for a fact that Bishop Stika has cracked down on a lot of things. For example, people are no longer allowed to be married outdoors. Don't believe for a minute he would allow a known suicide victim to have a Roman funeral without first establishing that the person was not of sound mind.

As for supporting the murder claims, I do no such thing. I believe he killed himself, thus the reason there will be an effort to cover up the cause of death, possibly even now after the funeral.

Third, your anti-Romanism is typical of Revolutionary/Satanic Americans. Your understanding of the sacrament of confession says it all.

August 28, 2011 at 8:48 a.m.
nooganative said...

This says it all: JAMES AND HIS CRONIES ARE IDIOTS. I have never heard such ignorant and uninformed rhetoric as I have from these fools.

August 28, 2011 at 12:08 p.m.
James101 said...

Good job Charles , you FINALLY came to your senses and realized the TRUTH here.. Some of yall though make this out to be a Lifetime Murder Mystery Show , i mean we have ( murder , suicide , well known family , cover up , public out cry ) .. And i give Charles credit , i am NO expert in Catholic Church or practices but just as you said if somebody or some ting ever wants something covered up they can do it.. It has happend time after time in this country...

August 28, 2011 at 1:04 p.m.
rolando said...

Wasn't so long ago that indulgences were for sale, Charles. Ya think maybe they still are, in altered form?

Be that as it may, you are correct -- the facts surrounding their deaths will be suppressed. Can't sully the families' images now, can we?

This case has picked up a life of its own.

August 28, 2011 at 2:12 p.m.
rolando said...

Moonbat nooganative said I and others,"...need to find something better to do with your life [sic]."

Well, I was a federal agent for 25-odd years and retired as one, noogabat. What exactly have you contributed to the country? Ate a record number of moonpies, or something?

August 28, 2011 at 2:17 p.m.
CharlesMartel said...

Finally came to my senses? I never thought anything different than either they were on drugs (best case scenario) or suicide (or murder-suicide, if he was holding the girl down).

Rolando, as for indulgences, if you knew the details of the teachings of the Roman Church (which hardly anyone does any more), you would know that indulgences have never, nor can they be, "for sale". One may donate money to the Church as a form of "temporal punishment" only after having been absolved spiritually by the sacrament of confession. That is, if I were to commit adultery, I would come to the Church, confess my sins, and then perform the penance I was given by the priest. If this sin is known publicly, I might be inclined to perform some public act as punishment, which could be praying six hours straight at the steps of the parish church or donating $1,000,000. This act (i.e., "work") would then be credited to me, work towards cleansing my soul in Purgatory.

August 28, 2011 at 4:21 p.m.
nodinlakota said...

James101, wanna go star gazing?

August 28, 2011 at 7:38 p.m.
rolando said...

I certainly understand all that, Charles.

But I also tend to call a spade. a spade. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck......

Here's what Wikipedia [a site I hesitate to use] says about indulgences:

quote

Martin Luther strongly disputed the claim that freedom from God's punishment of sin could be purchased with money. He confronted indulgence salesman Johann Tetzel with his Ninety-Five Theses in 1517. [All additions/emphasis mine.]

unquote

I really don't want to start an argument on this...or even a deep discussion. Call it what you like but, plainly said, the "lost in Purgatory" soul is bailed out with a donation of some sort, be it time, money, property, or whatever. As I understand it, they were sometimes "bailed out" ahead of time. Actual events sometimes trumps dogma.

And that could be what is happening here, allowing the Church funeral to proceed...or not.

Luther also said that Heaven cannot be gained by good deeds alone. He did start the Reformation...whether he wanted to or not.

August 28, 2011 at 7:46 p.m.
CharlesMartel said...

Quoting an apostate (i.e., Martin Lucifer) isn't exactly all that authoritative. Further, at no time did the Church ever teach that we are saved by works alone. Nor are we saved by faith alone*. We are saved by faith, and from that faith do our works proceed (much like how the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, or an even better allegory would be Our Lord's human and divine natures, in a hypostatic union); one can not separate the works from the faith. If you wish to understand the Faith, I suggest you put quit reading Martin Lucifer.

*The often misunderstood piece of Sacred Scripture that Martin Lucifer invented his new religion is St Paul's Letter to the Romans, Chapter 3, verse 28: arbitramur enim iustificari hominem per fidem sine operibus legis. Notice that this reads, when properly translated, "For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law." Meaning we are saved by our Faith in Our Lord Jesus, and not by keeping the old, and now fulfilled Law of Moses.

August 28, 2011 at 9:28 p.m.
rolando said...

Luther was hardly an apostate, Charles, either before or after he wrote his treatise. He never lost his faith...he simply disagreed with the direction the Church was going; i.e., granting "favors" for political/financial gain.

A few of his points

  1. Every truly repentant Christian has a right to full remission of penalty and guilt, even without letters of pardon.

45.Christians are to be taught that he who sees a man in need, and passes him by, and gives [his money] for pardons, purchases not the indulgences of the pope, but the indignation of God.

  1. The assurance of salvation by letters of pardon is vain, even though the commissary, nay, even though the pope himself, were to stake his soul upon it.

  2. Injury is done the Word of God when, in the same sermon, an equal or a longer time is spent on pardons than on this Word.

  3. The true treasure of the Church is the Most Holy Gospel of the glory and the grace of God.

  4. But this treasure is naturally most odious, for it makes the first to be last.

  5. On the other hand, the treasure of indulgences is naturally most acceptable, for it makes the last to be first.

  6. Therefore the treasures of the Gospel are nets with which they formerly were wont to fish for men of riches.

  7. The treasures of the indulgences are nets with which they now fish for the riches of men.

  8. The indulgences which the preachers cry as the "greatest graces" are known to be truly such, in so far as they promote gain.

  9. Yet they are in truth the very smallest graces compared with the grace of God and the piety of the Cross.

  10. To think the papal pardons so great that they could absolve a man even if he had committed an impossible sin and violated the Mother of God -- this is madness.

His refusal to retract all of his writings at the demand of Pope Leo X in 1520 and the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms in 1521 resulted in his excommunication by the pope and condemnation as an outlaw by the emperor.

Luther -- a priest of the Church -- taught that salvation is not earned by good deeds but received only as a free gift of God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ as redeemer from sin.

His theology challenged the authority of the pope of the Roman Catholic Church by teaching that the Bible is the only source of divinely revealed knowledge and opposed priestcraft by considering all baptized Christians to be a holy priesthood.

You have called Martin Luther, Lucifer [or Satan]. There are any number of popes who are truly worthy of that fallen angel's name, John XXII, for only one. Yet you pick on a simple professor/priest. That is as a pot calling a kettle black.

August 28, 2011 at 10:53 p.m.
James101 said...

The truth of the matter is both ae dead and they more then likely died of suicide... Get over it People! lol.. It sucks but it happens every day to people..

August 28, 2011 at 11:23 p.m.
rolando said...

Indeed it does, 101. And for the stupidest of reasons.

The terminally ill in heavy pain I can understand. Most of the rest are cop-outs.

August 29, 2011 at 7:11 a.m.
James101 said...

I LOVED Roy Exums article on the Chattanoogan.com under the " Opinion " section about what he thinks happend.. Give me a Break Roy!. You really think somebody , more less two people could fall asleep on train tracks and not hear the vibrations of the train , the hoen and see the light to wake them up in time... Again , i understand we lost two great people but just like you said that some of these theorys dont make sense - im sorr to say yours dont make it as well.. There is a frieght train coming down the track and your head is on the tracks or ground and you cant hear it at all , PLEASE.. I give you credit for a nice arrticle overall about them but the outcome of what you believe happend is Funny.. And if they couldnt wake up then BELIEVE me it was either DRUGS or they were drinking more then just 2 Beers to not be able to hear a train...

August 29, 2011 at 4:55 p.m.
ChattaVol06 said...

OldMcDonald32... that post is totally uncalled for. As a friend of Hannah Barnes' family, I wish you would not comment on something you know nothing about. Your use of sarcasm is blatant disrespect for the Hennen and Barnes families as well as any of the other people that fall under the category you're obviously hating on. Ridiculous. I hope that you're a 15 year old kid, because no mature adult would say something like you posted above.

August 30, 2011 at 5:17 p.m.
country410 said...

first of all i want to send my condolences to both families that lost loved ones in this tragic event. secondly, james101 has many valid points and is not trying to hurt anyone, but he does need to give it a rest. we understand there are unanswered questions and no one will ever no the whole truth. 2 lives have been lost and that needs to be respected and the best for james101 to do is stop posting "facts" that could be hurtful to anyone at all. it doesn't make a difference to me that they "partied" or not, that does not define the person he or she was or does it define his or her family. I just can't imagine the hurt and embarrassment their families are going through with all the unknown speculation flying around. I have seen the comments about how they were seen "fooling around" before the ACCIDENT occurred and I do believe that was the cause of the ACCIDENT. I also have to give my condolences to the boyfriend of they young girl. He will have to live with the doubts and unknowns for the rest of his life and I hope he is able to move on and put it behind him since he is a victim as well.

August 30, 2011 at 10:39 p.m.
andystaab said...

It'll be interesting to hear what's said and not said at the 10am news conference this morning. I'd be shocked if we got any "details". I don't think we're entitled to gruesome details, but I'm curious what really happened. Personally, I don't consider this an accident, since I think getting hit by a train is very easily avoided. I think the news conference will just be a message that the investigation is wrapped up, no fault found, and let the families heal.

August 31, 2011 at 8:19 a.m.
James101 said...

WHOO!!

August 31, 2011 at 12:04 p.m.
James101 said...

Looks like i stand corrected.. Seems like they passed away by " Embracing " each other... Such a Sad and Avoiding way to die..

August 31, 2011 at 12:07 p.m.
idiocy said...

You all are absolutely repulsive. James101, get a life. You effing loser. I bet you felt really special when it was announced that it WASN'T suicide. Old Mcdonald, what the hell? Disgusting. You all have major issues. It leads me to wonder the kind of lives you lead, whether you have ANYBODY that cares whether you live or you die. I highly doubt it. That must be why you spend all your time arguing on here. Nobody in their right mind would be able to put up with you. Don't worry, there will be many more tragic news reports that you can waste your miserable life debating. May Michael and Hannah rest in peace.

August 31, 2011 at 9:45 p.m.

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