published Sunday, December 4th, 2011

Deja Vu

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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John_Proctor said...

Good one, Clay. This will bring out the howlers foaming at the mouth and the screams will be loud and long.

I have a tee shirt that describes Gingrich perfectly, "A Legend in his Own Mind."

December 4, 2011 at 12:17 a.m.
OllieH said...

I LOVE this one, Clay!

I guess the worse the field of candidates, the better the cartoons.

December 4, 2011 at 12:18 a.m.
nucanuck said...

As one wag said, "with Cain out of the race, the large GOP adultery block vote will swing to Newt, possibly cinching the nomination".

From his relationships to his girth, it is apparent that Newt doesn't practice self-denial. Do as he says, not as he does.

December 4, 2011 at 12:44 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

LIFE IMITATES ART

I never knew exactly what that phrase meant until I saw this cartoon.

Newt - the candidate for voters who thought Cain was too monogamous. Newt - the man who's had more wives than Mitt the Mormon. Newt- the tree hugger who believed in global warming. Before he didn't. Newt - the guy who gets paid $60,000 for a 45-minute speech, but wants to lecture poor people on the virtue of hard work. Newt - the former congressman, Speaker of the House, and 40 year resident of Washington D.C. who plans to campaign for President as a Washington outsider!

This is the best reality show ever!

December 4, 2011 at 12:45 a.m.
dabbscr said...

This is the worst...at least Newt knows how many states are in the United States, he doesn't call Americans lazy, he doesn't go around to other countries apologizing for the United States, he doesn't want to spend money to get out of debt, and follow along with "pass the bill to see whats in it". When are you liberals going to figure this out...you want free welfare and the Republicans want you to have a pay check.

December 4, 2011 at 1:26 a.m.
Oz said...

I see Clay received the Newt memo. The Demoncrats will be piling on Newt now. They cannot stand the thought of watching Newt dismantle Obama in a debate. Obama would make Rick Perry look like genius after a round with Newt. I'm not a Newt fan but it would fun to watch. Mitt Romney has already said no to a debate with Newt.

December 4, 2011 at 2:05 a.m.
EaTn said...

Newt has a photographic memory for details and is able to spew them out in flowery speeches. However, his thought process ability is severely lame as is evident in his previous personal decisions and current off-the cuff remarks. The party of family values continue to hold their noses as they push Newt upwards. This Clay toon will be a typical left ammo should the party elect Newt in the primaries.

December 4, 2011 at 4:54 a.m.
alprova said...

The tea bags are an especially nice touch Clay.

December 4, 2011 at 5:20 a.m.
alprova said...

Oz wrote: "I see Clay received the Newt memo. The Demoncrats will be piling on Newt now."

Newt is his own worst enemy. He's made himself fodder for criticism.

"They cannot stand the thought of watching Newt dismantle Obama in a debate."

You wish.

"Obama would make Rick Perry look like genius after a round with Newt."

Newt has a habit of speaking off the cuff. His stance regarding child labor and the poor proves it. A couple more positions of that nature and he will take himself out of the running all by his lonesome.

"I'm not a Newt fan but it would fun to watch. Mitt Romney has already said no to a debate with Newt."

For a couple of good reasons. Newt is not a formidable opponent and his overblown ego is about as bad and as misplaced as that of Kim Jong II, who also demanded a one on one with President Bush.

December 4, 2011 at 5:29 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Deja Vu, indeed. This is headed for a bitter Party divorce, something Gingrich knows all to well. Already, there are Republican leaders breaking Reagan's 11th Commandment: Thou Shall Not Speak Ill of any Fellow Republican. Here is some of it from the Capital Rep. Peter King, who told his impression of Gingrich: "a Southern, anti-union attitude that appeals to the mentality of hillbillies at revival meetings."

Rep. King told of Newt as Speaker who threw a hissy fit and shut down the government because Clinton didn't put him in the front of Air Force One with him on the way to Rabin's funeral. Of course, the "SCLM" media disproved much of it and showed photos of Gingrich and Clinton yucking it up on Air Force One, but never mind... More from King: "That's the main reason I think we ended up losing that fight, is because it looked like Newt being petulant," King said.

and he added: "It's only a matter of time before Newt—not implodes, because Newt is quick enough to always recover—but there's always damage done," he said. "He will say something or do something which will hurt himself and the party. Then, he's smart enough to bounce back but you never bounce back all the way. And by the time the campaign is over, you've damaged yourself too much, which is what happened when he was speaker. He won back the House for Republicans and within four years he had to step down."

King blathers on about Gingrich's mistreatment of Paul Ryan (the Killer of Medicare Man) and speculates on having a 3rd Party Candidate, Mike Bloomberg. Rep. King stopped just a bit shy of an all out endorsement. This only spells a Grand Old D-I-V-O-R-C-E for Republicans.

Newt's personal life is no different than his political life. There is enough dirt on him to make the whole country feel ashamed at even thinking or mentioning his name.

Good analogy of Newt, Clay.

December 4, 2011 at 7:15 a.m.
fairmon said...

Ignore the media, the RNC and other hype and consider only credibility and capability and the best choice becomes Huntsman, Romney and Paul. I would like to hear from those concluding Obama with his growing campaign fund of $1 billion dollars and his loyal voter base and campaign team can be beat. The following are not additive but will provide him over 53%.

o Registered democrats

o The 47% that pay zero taxes

o Minorities (blacks, Hispanics, Muslims etc. etc.)

o Female college graduates

o Welfare recipients and government dependent.

o Union members

o The mega wealthy like Buffet, Soros, Gates etc.

o Most high dollar entertainers, athletes and journalist

o Many on Wall St. (notice where his recent fund raising events have been held)

o The independent vote split around 50-50 depending on their media choice.

I don't vote in primaries, let the party loyalist pick their candidate. At this point I don't see the incumbent or any of the candidates other than the most unlikely choice as the republican candidate, Ron Paul, that seems to understand the economic plight we face or how to address it. It appears we are to be the Greece of 2014 with Obama and congress blaming each other while the dependent non tax paying number grows and exceeds 50% as the debt increases at an accelerating rate. A gloomy view that people just can't accept but have no factual basis to support their disagreement.

December 4, 2011 at 7:31 a.m.
Momus said...

...at least Newt knows how many states are in the United States, he doesn't call Americans lazy, he doesn't go around to other countries apologizing for the United States, he doesn't want to spend money to get out of debt, and follow along with "pass the bill to see whats in it"

Give Newt time, he will eventually.

December 4, 2011 at 7:57 a.m.
davisss13 said...

The fact that the amoral degenerate Gingrich is leading the pack shows how low and desperate the GOP has become.

December 4, 2011 at 8:18 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Now Trump is trying to become relevant again, as a debate "moderator". Also, Palin tastes the blood in the water, we can probably expect to see her more often in the run-up. It would be great comedy, but 1 of the bunch is gonna get the nomination and the backing of the same people that re-elected Bush. [shudder]

December 4, 2011 at 9:26 a.m.
yaffay said...

Perfect, Clay! The Republican soap opera continues. Newt's "love them and leave them when they are no longer useful" philosophy is seen not only in his treatment of women, but also in his political views.

December 4, 2011 at 9:37 a.m.
fairmon said...

Are voters looking for someone to be their church pastor or parish priest etc. or a political leader? Obama nor the candidates seem to qualify. Maybe Santorum comes close with his bomb Iran to stop their nuclear program and pro-life stance combined with imposed morals legislation. Cain or Newt may not be my choices but their philandering or womanizing would affect my decision.

December 4, 2011 at 9:50 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said...Maybe Santorum comes close with his bomb Iran to stop their nuclear program and pro-life stance combined with imposed morals legislation.

Please explain why you think those positions equate with leadership.

December 4, 2011 at 10:19 a.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn ask....

December 4, 2011 at 10:36 a.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn ask...

Please explain why you think those positions equate with leadership.

I don't but that seems to be what some voters like. I think he should drop out.

December 4, 2011 at 10:38 a.m.
News_Junkie said...

dabbscr:

You claimed that Obama called Americas lazy. That is a gross mischaracterization of his statement, which was:

"You know, we've been a little bit lazy, I think, over the last couple of decades. We've kind of taken for granted, well, people will want to come here, and we aren't out there hungry selling America, and trying to attract new businesses into America."

What Obama was talking about was the fact that American industry has been as aggressive as it should have been in pushing exports. You only have to look at China to see what an aggressive exporter can accomplish.

You also claimed that Obama goes around apologizing for the United States. That is a blatant lie that is perpetuated by right-wing fanatics. There are no documented situations where Obama has said anything that even remotely resembles it. In fact, that was nominated for the Lie of the Year in 2011 on the non-partisan fact-checking service at www.politifact.com. Go to: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/dec/02/2011-lie-year-finalists/

To view the article on PolitiFact that refutes Romney's claim, go to: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/mar/15/mitt-romney/obama-remarks-never-true-apology/

December 4, 2011 at 10:38 a.m.
jesse said...

harp i'm w/you on this!

we had a born again,bible thumpin,pulpit poundin pure as driven snow pres. w/ carter, maybe the worst prez.EVER!

what this country needs is a LEADER!so what if he's an s.o.b. woman chasing whatever!one thing for sure ,obama has to go and if newt is the man i think maybe he's the only one in the bunch thats up to the job!

December 4, 2011 at 11:13 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said...I don't but that seems to be what some voters like. I think he should drop out.

Well then, I guess we agree that Santorum is not a leader. I don't think it will matter much whether he drops out. In spite of the "flavor of the month" Republican primary, I doubt that he will ever float to the top.

As a side note, I don't think Americans - either right or left - are capable of electing a leader. We want candidates who affirm our fantasies. Real leaders would challenge us to sacrifice for the greater good. I have not yet decided whether Obama is in that category, although I do think he has taken seriously the notion that he is President of all of the citizens, not just those who financed is campaign. I think Carter tried to lead us on a path that squared with the best of the American ideals and he got trashed by his own party and then by the electorate for doing so. Instead, we chose to listen to the tune played by the pied piper of profligacy and now we are paying the price. The leadership challenge in this country, today, is even greater than it was 30 years ago and We, the People, are even less inclined to elect real leaders to high office than we were then.

December 4, 2011 at 11:16 a.m.
hambone said...

Now we hear that the next GOP debate will have "the donald" as a moderator on a cable network we've never heard of.

What, Jerry Springer wasn't available?

What's next? All the GOP hopefuls going on DWS?

December 4, 2011 at 11:21 a.m.
ricardo said...

Is the teabagger party still around? I thought they went away after Obama produced his long-form birth certificate and said he is a Christian?

December 4, 2011 at 11:58 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

Hambone, the audience for these "debates" lack the sophistication and subtle wit of a Jerry Springer audience. Remember their boos for a gay soldier serving in Iraq earlier this year?

I do thank you for reminding me of the similarities between Jerry Springer and Newt Gingrich. Both are politicians who had "zipper problems" while posing as members of the Family Values set.

Has-Been Republicans have already appeared on DWTS. Remember Tom "The Hammer" Delay? He was another in a line of the Republican House leadership forced from office over questionable ethics. His dancing skills were no better than his ethics which is why he lost in both contests.

December 4, 2011 at 12:27 p.m.
jesse said...

ole newt ain't lookin so has been right now!

we got a prez.right now who apparently keeps his zipper shut only he ain't doin too good a job runnin the country!

btw:john ,you any kin to austrian from la la land!he likes to get on here and tell us how stupid and unsophisticated we are all so!

December 4, 2011 at 12:46 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Ha! Comic relief. Thank you Republicans.

December 4, 2011 at 1:46 p.m.
carlB said...

MTJohn said... As a side note, I don't think Americans - either right or left - are capable of electing a leader. We want candidates who affirm our fantasies. Real leaders would challenge us to sacrifice for the greater good. I have not yet decided whether Obama is in that category, although I do think he has taken seriously the notion that he is President of all of the citizens, not just those who financed is campaign. I think Carter tried to lead us on a path that squared with the best of the American ideals and he got trashed by his own party and then by the electorate for doing so. Instead, we chose to listen to the tune played by the pied piper of profligacy and now we are paying the price.


Reply: MTJohn, Yes, we are a strange group of people who either do not have the courage to vote or when voting do not vote for their best interest which also includes this Republic's best interest. It appears that the voters are divided on what they want to believe from our elected "leaders" and which direction they want this country taken? Is it going to be another great depression or can we get the manufacturing jobs back and "work" our way back to better balanced conditions. Under the crisis conditions that we have now, the opponents of President Obama, decided they wanted "grid lock" in the House and probably would have liked control of the Senate. But this would not have the given us the balance that I'm talking about. The Republicans have decided not to create the needed private sector jobs with the help of our Government. Their interests continues on weakening the Government role, while at the same time depressing the public workers and just waiting on the Private sectors to reverse their dependence on using the foreign workers to produce their imported goods for the US consumers. Newt nor any of the Republicans have addressed how they would help create the needed jobs. Newt, has mentioned how he would do away with the "child labor laws".

December 4, 2011 at 1:46 p.m.
ricardo said...

It is clear that the Republicants want to reduce the power of the government and transfer that power to the Wall Street financial and corporate power brokers.

December 4, 2011 at 2:18 p.m.
newshound_1 said...

Note to the 47% of Non-Tax payers: It's the economy STUPID.

The 47% of “Takers” have a vested, but ignorant, interest in the re-election of B.H.O. Another 4 years of B.H.O. and we will have a deficit we will never recover from.

The Taxpayers cannot afford to subsidize your very existence. Newt can do it, and I believe he will return us to the America of Hope.

And yes, this is Change you can believe in!

“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” - Thomas Jefferson

December 4, 2011 at 2:52 p.m.
News_Junkie said...

newshound_1:

Your implication that the actions of President Obama are exacerbating the deficit is another blatant falsehood that is being perpetrated by right-wing zealots. The vast majority of the deficits that arose under the Obama administration are attributable to four factors: the enactment of Medicare Part D, the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, and the Bush tax cuts.

President Bush is directly responsible for all four of those items. Nevertheless, I have yet to hear of a conservative is willing to admit to that fact. Rather, they prefer to blame Obama for the problems that he inherited from George Bush, including the recession.

December 4, 2011 at 3:15 p.m.
ricardo said...

Newshound, Newt is bowing at the alter of Hispanic voters by offering amnesty to their countrymen, and he wants to take your money to support them.

December 4, 2011 at 3:20 p.m.
newshound_1 said...

Ricardo, my money and the rest of the 53% of taxpayers are already supporting the criminals and families.

My Grandparents and mother, legally immigrated here in the 50's. They contributed as hardworking honest people.

We need to seal our borders to illegals, PERIOD. We have no easy solution to the current batch of criminals.

The bottom line IMHO, is those criminals who can contribute to our republic, should join the back of the line to legal citizenship.

December 4, 2011 at 3:39 p.m.
DarkSky said...

Great. We're hearing the "The 47% that pay zero taxes" again.

Ummm, how about sales taxes, payroll taxes, utility taxes, property taxes?

Get it right folks. You are talking federal income tax, right?

I guess if you can scream a half-truth loud enough, long enough, that the ignorant will believe...

December 4, 2011 at 3:51 p.m.
DarkSky said...

Newt is just another crooked politician who has had many wives. One of which he divorced as she lay ill in the hospital. Great moral values, huh?

December 4, 2011 at 3:56 p.m.
newshound_1 said...

News_Junkie,

This is rich! you lectured on NOV, 28

("Ad hominem" means: appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason; or attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.

This conversation is regarding BHO v. Newt 2012 (or other), Yet, you attach GWB?

I disagreed with Medicare D, Agreed with both wars (still do), and believe he spent like a drunken democrat.

Since GWB is not on the ballot, and this is now BHO's economy, I think it is more prudent to discuss it. Unemployment has nearly doubled under his watch, he has spent more $$ than all other presidents combined, and by his own admission (and Biden's) it is now their economy.

You vote how you like, and continue to bring up valid points, but don't lecture on Ad hominem debate one week, then attack those who disagree.

Can we agree we are heading the wrong direction? I think Yes. Hopefully, the 47% of the takers will not make it to the polls.

Respectfully, USA in 2012.

December 4, 2011 at 3:58 p.m.
jesse said...

well said,news hound! about 75% of the posters on here could benefit from reading your post!!

December 4, 2011 at 4:23 p.m.
hambone said...

After working for 45 years and paying income and SS taxes I am proud to be one of the 47% so many seem to hate. I have been suprised to learn that so many don't know that Medicare is not free to retirees. My Medicare premium is about 15% of that check I don't pay any income tax on. If you want to have health insurance that will actually cover medical expenses then you buy more insurance that will cost another 15% of that big check that you don't pay income taxes on. And then there's part D. Drug insurance that is designed to make insurance companies rich while providing little help to those with that great check they don't pay any income tax on.

So you see most retirees would be in poverty if it wasn't for the Social Security and Medicare programs passed by Democrats and opposed by Republicans at every turn.

December 4, 2011 at 5:08 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

the interesting thing about the 47 % who pay no income tax is the fact that 7million make over 100,000 dollars a year.

you can forgive a person who has nothing not paying income tax but a Republican making 100,000 a year not paying income tax? UNFORGIVEN!

December 4, 2011 at 5:24 p.m.
newshound_1 said...

Hambone, Thank you for your seemingly example of a "life well lived".

If you read my previous post detailing my immigrant Grandfather, my empathy for the plight of the rising cost of Medical care for the aging should become clear.

However, I simply cannot continue to support my government involving itself in matters it has only proven to make worse.

In retrospect, my post regarding the 47% could be viewed disparagingly to all 47%. This is not my intention, nor position.

Let me reset: If we allow the future of our great country, to be determined by those who themselves do not contribute to its greatness, we are destined to another 4-years of BHO. It’s akin to Congress voting for raises for each other. Why not vote for the guy who promises the most hand-outs? What has BHO done for the poorest of Americans? The unemployment rate among black Americans is nearly double that of the national average! From where I’m sitting, that’s “Hopeless, and Pocket Change”.

I don’t pretend to know the answer to fixing Medicare, or Immigration. But I believe, if left to the Federal Government, it will be worse.

Thomas Jefferson once said:

“He who knows best knows how little he knows.” “He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”

I’m looking for a conservative and strict constitutionalist. As of today… That looks like Newt.

December 4, 2011 at 5:39 p.m.
hambone said...

Maybe if Newt was a little more humble. Not so self-centered , arrogant and self promoting.

But then that's Newt. In all my years I have never seen a politician that I dislike more. If he was just someone I meet on the street for the first time, after 5 minutes of hearing him talk I would be turned off.

He talks down to everyone like he knows everything about everything. He has never worked a honest day in his life and I wouldn't beleive a thing he says!

As far as Newt being a conservative, sure. What ever he can conserve for himself.

December 4, 2011 at 6:11 p.m.
hambone said...

" She isn't young enough or pretty enough to be a President's wife"

Newt Gingrich talking about his ex-wife.

That's what I mean by arrogant and self-centered.

December 4, 2011 at 7:15 p.m.
alprova said...

newshound_1 wrote: "Since GWB is not on the ballot, and this is now BHO's economy, I think it is more prudent to discuss it. Unemployment has nearly doubled under his watch, he has spent more $$ than all other presidents combined, and by his own admission (and Biden's) it is now their economy."

Unemployment when President Obama took office stood at 7.8%. It peaked at 10.1% in September 2009. It Now stands at 8.6%. At its worst, it increased 2.3 percentage points, which is hardly double.

Deficit spending since Obama took office has risen $5 trillion dollars. $1.8 trillion of that $5 trillion was put in motion prior to Obama taking office, which means the President had not one thing to do with it.

Deficit spending while Bush was in charge of things rose from $5.3 trillion to $10.2 trillion by the time GWB left office. Add $1.8 trillion to that and you have $7.1 trillion under Bush added to the national debt under his tutelage. Deficit spending has increased another $4 trillion, that occurred and was passed by Congress since Obama took office.

Your statements regarding Obama are patently, factually, and realistically false.

December 4, 2011 at 8:47 p.m.
hambone said...

AL. you know they don't see the facts when hit over the head with them! They are blind from watching Faux and deaf from listening to Limpbaugh!

December 4, 2011 at 9:12 p.m.
alprova said...

Thanks for the support hambone. Facts are facts and the truth will always be the truth. President Obama inherited the current state of economy and that's all there is to it.

I hear and read all the time that President Obama is responsible for the economy tanking and there's not a shred of truth to it. He's done as good a job that could be done, considering all of his detractors that demean him on a daily basis.

The Republicans are responsible for what happened and they continue to be responsible for their failure to do what needs to be done on their part to recover from it.

December 4, 2011 at 10:01 p.m.
carlB said...

newshound_1 said... Note to the 47% of Non-Tax payers: It's the economy STUPID. The 47% of “Takers” have a vested, but ignorant, interest in the re-election of B.H.O. Another 4 years of B.H.O. and we will have a deficit we will never recover from. The Taxpayers cannot afford to subsidize your very existence. Newt can do it, and I believe he will return us to the America of Hope. And yes, this is Change you can believe in!


Reply: newshound_1, all that I get out of your many posts is a person who does not accept Obama as the President and does not have any knowledge of what conditions this Republic is in or what it is going to take for getting out of the 2007 deep recession without going through another great depression. Why do you not ask the reasons for the decrease in our middle class tax payers, why there are increases of people in poverty, and why there are not enough manufacturing jobs? Where is your judgment and knowledge of what caused the 2007 deep recession and what a "chain reaction" it started on our financial systems and our economy? Why did Bush W. start begging for $700 Billion dollars of unfunded, borrowed money in September 2008? Yet, you and others think that other people are stupid as you, in not believing the results of the crisis conditions left by the last administration would not continue into the Obama administration.
Did the Republicans get this Republic out of the 1929 great depression in the four years before FDR? What are the Republicans doing now that they did after FDR was president? If you cannot figure it out, that's your problem.
The voters know where the misinformation and BS is coming from.

December 4, 2011 at 10:02 p.m.
News_Junkie said...

newshound_1:

You need to re-read my comments. I did not attack you personally. I don't stoop to such tactics. Rather, I criticized the factual inaccuracy in what you said.

You are completely contradicting yourself. You criticize President Obama for running up the deficit, yet you castigate me for pointing out that George Bush took actions which caused the deficit to rise. Your positions are logically inconsistent.

Your allegations about a president increasing the debt more than all prior presidents is correct, but they apply to George W. Bush.

December 4, 2011 at 11:48 p.m.
fairmon said...

Add $1.8 trillion to that and you have $7.1 trillion under Bush added to the national debt under his tutelage

The current debt of 15 trillion minus 7.1 trillion equals an added 7.9 trillion or essentially 2X. No doubt GWB was a screw up with a democratic congress and Obama continued and his failed agenda has been no better. How can anyone defend either party?

December 5, 2011 at 12:01 a.m.
aidehua said...

John Podesta and the Democrat hacks at Media Matters must be patting Clay on the back for this low blow on the former US Speaker of the House. I hope that Clay will be drawing many more cartoons of Newt over the next 8 years. That will prove his messiah Hussein has been put out to dry by the American people. Has David Alexrod called to thank you for your pathetic propaganda? Obama and the Democrats fooled the American people 4 years ago, but that isn't likely to happen again. Shame on the TFP for printing the Democratic talking points.

December 5, 2011 at 6:13 a.m.
Harleigh said...

It was good enough for Franklin Roosevelt and Bill Clinton. Why the concern?

December 5, 2011 at 6:39 a.m.
ibshame said...

Mitt Romney has been running for President since 2008. At this point there is no way he's just going to roll over and allow someone like Newt Gingrich to take the nomination away from him without a fight. A fight that will make the Herman Cain Debacle look like an episode of SNL. Newt has some more dirty laundry out there somewhere and it's just a matter of time before it's hanging on the line for all to see.

December 5, 2011 at 7:50 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote""The current debt of 15 trillion minus 7.1 trillion equals an added 7.9 trillion or essentially 2X. No doubt GWB was a screw up with a democratic congress and Obama continued and his failed agenda has been no better. How can anyone defend either party?"

Harp, you can't be serious.

We went into Afghanistan and Iraq under false pretenses. Bush and Cheney presented falsified evidence in order to invade those two countries, convincing Congress to pass legislation that resulted in war, which resulted in massive spending that to this day continues to feed the war machine of this nation.

The spending under Obama has been for the most part to assist this country to survive a second great depression and further economic calamity, again sponsored and pushed for by the Republicans.

How some of you cannot see that is beyond all comprehension. It's as if some of you would prefer people to blow their brains out after exhausting all of their resources, rather than for our leaders to step in and offer the means for displaced workers to survive. Of course, it's not hard to understand, considering that most of those who do, do so from a position of having no disruption in their own income.

The rescinding of the 1933 Glass-Stegall Act and replacing it with Gramm-Blilely-Leach in 1999 is at the core of the economic meltdown. And that sole piece of legislation was born, sponsored, and passed by a Republican dominated Congress and Senate. It was passed with a two-thirds majority of both Houses and it was not subject to a veto by Bill Clinton.

President Obama did not end those wars as fast as he wanted to, which has been a disappointment, but then he has been met with strong resistance in doing so. At least give the man credit for desiring for the United States to leave both countries on a high note.

And your figures do not account for the fact that the national debt stood at $5.3 trillion when GWB came into power. Bush absolutely did double the national debt, and is responsible for the most deficit spending of any President ever to hold office.

You can lament the fact that "handouts" have increased under Obama all day long, but you are not among those affected by what has happened to people of this nation as a result of reckless legislation instituted by Republicans.

Oh sure, you lost some of what you had invested, but you're not hungry or in danger of losing a roof over your head. Do you even know what it is to live from paycheck to paycheck, and if so, how long has it been since you have done so, and what would you do if faced with a disruption of your income?

How much would you have to lose in order to feel their pain?

December 5, 2011 at 8:26 a.m.
alprova said...

Aidehua wrote: "John Podesta and the Democrat hacks at Media Matters must be patting Clay on the back for this low blow on the former US Speaker of the House."

Low blow? It is a fact that Newt Gingrich personally served divorce papers on his first wife while she was in the hospital under treatment for cancer.

"I hope that Clay will be drawing many more cartoons of Newt over the next 8 years."

Well good for you.

"That will prove his messiah Hussein has been put out to dry by the American people."

It's not going to happen. If Gingrich is the best that the Republican Party has to offer the people of this nation in terms of a President, they have hit an all time low.

"Obama and the Democrats fooled the American people 4 years ago, but that isn't likely to happen again. Shame on the TFP for printing the Democratic talking points."

Shame on you for defending a low-life womanizing hypocrite like Newt Gingrich.

December 5, 2011 at 8:36 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I heart alprova

December 5, 2011 at 8:54 a.m.
Legend said...

^1000 Alprova!!

If everyone notice all the Republicans are capable of doing is attacking Obama to divert attention away from their own ineptness. They never say anything about what they'd do to get America back on track from the 8 years of damage the Bush regime did to the country.

December 5, 2011 at 9:09 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Stop the presses. Newt leads in polls. The next 72 days will be Newt bashing by Clay. 27 people actually notice. Again, Clay makes a difference in the world. More details to follow.

December 5, 2011 at 9:31 a.m.
alprova said...

Out of Africa and Into Iowa

December 3, 2011 Maureen Dowd

"NEWT GINGRICH’S mind is in love with itself.

It has persuaded itself that it is brilliant when it is merely promiscuous. This is not a serious mind. Gingrich is not, to put it mildly, a systematic thinker.

His mind is a jumble, an amateurish mess lacking impulse control. He plays air guitar with ideas, producing air ideas. He ejaculates concepts, notions and theories that are as inconsistent as his behavior."

The rest;

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/opinion/sunday/dowd-out-of-africa-and-into-iowa.html?_r=2

December 5, 2011 at 9:32 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Hopefully Ron Paul will be in a position to attract attacks from The Wart soon.

December 5, 2011 at 9:35 a.m.

I agree with the sentiment expressed here about Newt. I don't agree with tying the tea party to him. He has nothing to do with the values the tea party espouses.

December 5, 2011 at 9:55 a.m.

Unless he thinks taking the tea party position will win him the election that is.

December 5, 2011 at 9:56 a.m.
hambone said...

Newt looks to the Tea Party as he does "a younger, prettier wife".

December 5, 2011 at 11:11 a.m.
limric said...

Serial philanderer, shyster and thoroughly corrupt Presidential candidate Newt Gingrich released a statement yesterday seeking to clarify early comments he made that people didn’t like.

The public release from Gingrich read: “I am completely opposed to any statements that I’ve said earlier, that you didn’t like.” Said Gingrich “I don’t like it either, in fact I support me making statements you want me to say and will stand by them until you no longer like it any more, find out I am lying again or the Tea Party orders me to retract anything they think is unconstitutional. I have always been firmly committed to saying things you want to hear. I believe that politicians should listen to Americans and say the things they like to hear. Unless you do not like what I just said, which in that case I am opposed to that too.”

This is not the not the first time the Former Speaker has had to clarify his statements. There is a well-known example in 1990’s of Mr. Gingrich clarifying that the thing he didn’t like, that you liked, he actually did in fact like all along.

A spokesman for Gingrich said today that “the Former Speaker’s comments are always taken completely out of context, and are never meant to be heard in a setting where context, grammar and basic understanding of the English language could convey a logical and independent thought that people could possibly disagree with.”

Mitt Romney attacked Gringich’s clarification as pure pandering. Stating that he wrote the book on pandering and has been saying the things people like longer than Gingrich. He further added that he also didn’t like what the Fmr. Speaker said and that he always likes to say things you like to hear.

The Former Speaker concluded by saying he is committed to running a campaign firmly dedicated to saying things people like about issues that people like, as long as they like them, until they don’t.

December 5, 2011 at 11:14 a.m.
jesse said...

funny stuff,limric!!

newt's still gonna be the man tho!!

December 5, 2011 at 11:37 a.m.
limric said...

jesse said, "newt's still gonna be the man tho!!"

Nope, Newty doesn't stand a chance. Even all of Newts hot air (which could fill a Zeppelin ) doesn't have the buoyancy to float him off the ground. His 'family values' baggage is just to heavy.

You're gonna get Mitt - and like it!

Unfortunately, the best GOP candidate by far is Ron Paul; who is being treated like a gay black man with AIDS in a KKK sauna.

December 5, 2011 at 1:10 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... "the best GOP candidate by far is Ron Paul"

Amen brother. I don't get the "unfortunatly" qualifier though.

December 5, 2011 at 1:19 p.m.
chet123 said...

Jesse...you said Carter was the worse US President.....WRONG DUDE!.....Now if you republican want me to go away....you got to stop telling BIG LIES. The Worse Persident was Herbert Hoover and George W.Bush......Both put us with High Deficit...and Depression...they both were republican

December 5, 2011 at 1:33 p.m.
chet123 said...

DID somebody say NEWT is the man......but isnt that what you said about Christie,Trump,Romney,Bachman,Perry,Cain?.....you shouldnt be called The GOP...you should be called TCP...yeah TCP(The confused Party)ha ha ha.......

December 5, 2011 at 1:40 p.m.
limric said...

Hmm, possible jumbled syntax on my part BRP.

It should have read: The best GOP candidate by far is Ron Paul, who 'unfortunately' is being treated like a gay black man with AIDS in a KKK sauna.

I hope that clears up any abashing Confucius, or confoundment or is that conundruming or - Oh hell, lets just call it confusion.

December 5, 2011 at 2:49 p.m.
jesse said...

family values ain't gonna get us outa this hole we are in!

it's gonna take a ruthless,arm breakin,back stabbin s.o..b that can strong arm the the congress and be satisfied w/one term to do that and newt comes closer than any body else in this lashup! mitt romney would be more of what we got now!

none ofum would be my pick BUT this is what we got,so what ya gonna do!!

ron paul would hit a BRICK WALL in congress if he got elected!

December 5, 2011 at 2:50 p.m.
limric said...

Jesse posits:

A: family values ain't gonna get us outa this hole we are in!

Do you think a serial philanderer, shyster and another thoroughly corrupt politician will?

B: "ron paul would hit a BRICK WALL in congress if he got elected!"

Why?

December 5, 2011 at 3:06 p.m.
jesse said...

do you think ron paul is strong enough,has enough force of personality, enough backbone to ram through congress the type of legislation and spending cuts it's gonna take to turn this country around?(and tax hikes!)

every body in congress will want to save his own pork and cut every body else's

no body can do it in one term but maybe they can get us headed in the right direction BUT it ain't gonna be popular w/the electorate hence the one term!

btw:your descrip.of newt ,imo,pretty much fits all the pols.to some degree.all you can do is roll the dice and hope you get a winner!

December 5, 2011 at 3:17 p.m.
News_Junkie said...

It is Obama's biggest dream that Newt would be the Republican nominee. Despite his intelligence and considerable accumulated knowledge on foreign affairs, it is virtually inconceivable that Newt could get elected, because he has so much baggage.

Remember that the election will be decided by the independents. They will undoubtedly take the perspective of "been there, done that" when confronted with the possibility of a Newt presidency. The legacy of what transpired when he was Speaker of the House will doom his chances. People generally believe that a leopard can't change his spots.

I wish that Newt would get the nomination. I think that the debates between Newt and Obama would be the best political theater the country has experienced since the Nixon-Kennedy debates. Such a match-up would be fascinating to watch.

December 5, 2011 at 3:31 p.m.
jesse said...

every body in this race has baggage!

obama's baggage is his job performance during his term and THE LAST thing he wants to do is debate newt!by the time the debate was over b.o. would look like an idjit!(kinda along the lines of chet123!)lol

December 5, 2011 at 3:49 p.m.
News_Junkie said...

Jesse:

Newt has a profound tendency to spout ideas without thinking them through, and having to later back off those ideas. He's done that several times already in this current campaign. The other Republicans haven't capitalized on Newt's blunders because Newt has assiduously avoided criticizing the other candidates.

But when (not if) he makes those same blunders in a debate with Obama, Obama (and the rest of the Democrats) won't be as forgiving. They will crucify him for those spur-of-the moment concepts he proclaims that turn out to be blatant mistakes.

In many respects, Newt is his own worst enemy. If he could eliminate his weaknesses while maintaining his virtues, he would be a formidable, rather than seriously flawed, candidate.

As it is, the polls show that Obama would easily prevail over Newt.

No matter how much you dislike Obama, that does not make your candidate any stronger. You have to play the hand you are dealt, and unfortunately, the field of Republican candidates is very weak.

Look at it from this perspective, the candidate who has generally lead in the polls for most of the campaign is Mitt Romney. He came in third to McCain in 2008, and nothing has occurred since then that makes him a more attractive candidate.

Another way to look at it is that Romney lost to McCain, and McCain lost to Obama. On an objective basis, it's pretty hard to be confident that Romney could beat Obama, and all of the other candidates (such as Newt) don't do as well against Obama as Romney does in the polls.

December 5, 2011 at 4:52 p.m.
jesse said...

6 mo's. ago the polls showed people askin "newt WHO?"

if you have learned anything in this cycle it should be"polls don't mean very much at all except the LAST one!!"

December 5, 2011 at 5:04 p.m.
shoe_chucker said...

Obama/Gingrich debate(s) would be great political theater, but to say Newt would dominate only proves that your TV is stuck on FOX news, and like most FOX viewers you don't really know what you are talking about.

December 5, 2011 at 6:24 p.m.
News_Junkie said...

shoe_chucker:

You misinterpreted my remarks. I am not a supporter of Gingrich or of Fox News.

While I think that Newt is intelligent, I think that he is lacking in judgment. By that, I mean that he doesn't seem to be capable of distinguishing between his ideas that are good and those that aren't worth uttering. This is shown by the fact that he has to later back-track so many of his public remarks. I certainly don't want someone to be the Commander in Chief who makes such poorly-conceived hasty judgments.

The point that I was (obviously unsuccessfully) trying to convey is that I think that it would be interesting (as well as informative) to hear the exchange of ideas between Obama and Newt on issues of foreign policy. There would be discussions of substance between two people who have actually spent some time pondering those concepts, rather than two politicians who are merely spouting "talking points."

I think that it could be compelling viewing, as opposed to the Republican debates, where the participants habitually avoid delivering anything but well-rehearsed responses, even if their answers aren't responsive to the questions that were posed to them.

December 5, 2011 at 7:52 p.m.
jesse said...

you know if i remember correctly jack kennedy was a pretty good serial philanderer and ALSO an effective prez.l.b.j., clinton and these are in my life time!even ike and f.d.r. did some philandering ,seems like dems are pretty good at too!

December 5, 2011 at 8:06 p.m.
hambone said...

Heard a new quote about Newt tomight.

" he's a bull that carries around his own china shop"

December 5, 2011 at 9:05 p.m.
shoe_chucker said...

jesse said...

every body in this race has baggage!

obama's baggage is his job performance during his term and THE LAST thing he wants to do is debate newt!by the time the debate was over b.o. would look like an idjit!(kinda along the lines of chet123!)lol

@news junkie

i was responding to jesse. i totally got what you were saying at 3:31. cheers

December 5, 2011 at 9:35 p.m.
News_Junkie said...

Here's a truly great quote about Newt. It comes from Charles Fried, a respected conservative Harvard law professor who served as solicitor general under Reagan. He was asked "Is Gingrich as deep and smart as he thinks he is?

Fried replied “I don’t think anybody can be that smart.

December 5, 2011 at 9:39 p.m.
News_Junkie said...

shoe_chucker:

Thanks for the clarification.

December 5, 2011 at 9:42 p.m.
acerigger said...

Conservatives,you want Michelle Bachmann for president,you want Herman Cain for president,you want Newt Gingrich for president, which do you hate more, America or Pres. Obama?

December 5, 2011 at 10:13 p.m.
carlB said...

jesse said... family values ain't gonna get us outa this hole we are in! it's gonna take a ruthless,arm breakin,back stabbin s.o..b that can strong arm the the congress and be satisfied w/one term to do that and newt comes closer than any body else in this lashup! mitt romney would be more of what we got now! none ofum would be my pick BUT this is what we got,so what ya gonna do!!this hole


Reply: jesse, You need to make your statement more refined as to who in Congress needs to be "tortured" into doing what is needed for getting us out of "this hole." It appears that many people are accusing President Obama of not fixing all of the crisis issues on his first day in office as if the conditions he inherited were easy to "fix" and could be quickly corrected.
I agree that there are divisions between the Parties. If the lobbied elected people in Congress are not doing what they should then who are you going to torture and what would you make them do for helping create the needed private sector manufacturing jobs here in the US? Which Party is preventing the Private sectors from creating jobs here in the USA. What if I said it could be us, the US consumers buying the global corporate monopolies' imported goods that our elected leaders helped get us into? What can we do about these policies?

December 5, 2011 at 10:14 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Didn't you conservatives get the memo? You're supposed to be boycotting the threads on Bennett's cartoons as per rolando, arnoldziffel, etc. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to show how much we liberals will miss your comments... or to show Bennett that he should change his stripes... or to prove to the TFP that they should drop Bennett... or... well I can't remember exactly what their tantrum was supposed to accomplish, but you're supposed to follow them to some other threads and never post here again, because they're never to be seen in these parts henceforth. I have, however, seen one or two suddenly prevalent new names begin posting here, and the tune seems familiar.

December 5, 2011 at 10:22 p.m.
acerigger said...

Oh yeah,before I forget,Newt said, "anybody who quotes what I said is lying"! ROFLMAO!

December 5, 2011 at 10:48 p.m.
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