published Monday, December 26th, 2011

Fewer people moving to Tennessee

Justin and Victoria Testerman, with children Eli and Grace, came to Tennessee from Minnesota. A big factor was the state’s focus on education. / GEORGE WALKER IV
Justin and Victoria Testerman, with children Eli and Grace, came to Tennessee from Minnesota. A big factor was the state’s focus on education. / GEORGE WALKER IV
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Tennessee’s status as a hot spot for relocation has cooled dramatically during the recession.

In the vibrant economy of 2005-06, for every three people who moved out of Tennessee, four people moved in. Only seven states were pulling in new residents at a faster rate.

But those gains were cut in half as the recession began and then halved again by 2010, according to the latest IRS data, leaving Tennessee saying goodbye almost as often as hello.

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Welcome_2 said...

Too much drama. Too much hate and division.

December 26, 2011 at 6:38 p.m.
conservative said...

Glad to read it. Hope it's true.

December 26, 2011 at 6:44 p.m.
rolando said...

Why do you hope that, conservative? Look who is moving in -- other than the illegal aliens, of course. These new people are looking to improve their lot, not to maintain the status quo or live off the labor of others.

New blood, in steady but limited easy-to-absorb numbers, are always a good thing for our economy. Who are those moving out? I would say, those who cannot hold a skilled job requiring regular work hours and a dependable work ethic [the kind of jobs we are now getting].

Alternatively, perhaps those living in high crime areas are finally fed up but find they cannot afford to buy or rent in a safer environment, or they cannot qualify. So they go elsewhere.

December 26, 2011 at 7:04 p.m.
esaletnik said...

Since Katrina, I've noticed a whole lot more LSU and Saints flags and bumper stickers on our street.

December 26, 2011 at 8:32 p.m.
conservative said...

Rolando--

20yrs ago I don't believe there were 9 murders a year in Chattanooga, now murder is an everyday occurence. My experience with people born and raised in Tennesse is that they are polite and respectful to others and respect the property of others. It seems to me those moving in from other states, especially from the north have bad attitudes (that yankee thing). The worst move to Florida and I would rather they stay there than come to Tennessee., I know this for I lived most of my life there. I wish they would stay there. I am Tennessee born and just love this state and I don't like the change I see.

December 26, 2011 at 8:53 p.m.
WHS1970 said...

It's Obama's fault!!!

December 26, 2011 at 9:06 p.m.
pbmaxx said...

WHS1970, you would probably say that about whoever is in the White House. I have been in Chattanooga 5 years (I like it here), before I was in Clarksville, TN (hated it there!). Sure the crime rate is bad, but anywhere you go, it will be all the same in the news. So get over it! With Volkswagon and Amazon coming to the area, we need to be friendly and recruiting great new folks to become providing members of our local economy!

December 26, 2011 at 9:32 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

I bet the Testermans were disappointed considering their "big factor."

December 26, 2011 at 9:43 p.m.
Eric said...

So let's see conservative, are you saying people moving here from the northern states (or, as you put it, the yankees) are responsible for the increase in murders in Chattanooga? That's a pretty sweeping statement to make. And I've experienced first-hand that there are plenty of native Tennesseans that have bad attitudes. Your post is an example of that.

December 26, 2011 at 11:18 p.m.
rray37327 said...

I would hope that the generalizations of people from Florida causing problems when moving to Tennessee would not be the general attitude of people who have lived here all of their lives. I was born and raised in Florida, but my family ancestors come from Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee. I'm moving to Tennessee in the next couple of weeks as I enjoy a change of seasons, friendly people, and a lower cost of living. The home my wife and I bought in Dunlap would cost over $250,000 in Florida. In Tennessee, it's slightly more than half that cost. We're retired folks, just wanting to live our lives in peace with our neighbors. We hope we will be welcomed, and not looked upon as "damned Floridians". I spend a career in the military, so I've never really had the opportunity to put down roots. I hope to do so here.

December 27, 2011 at 1:25 a.m.
anderson2010 said...

My husband and I have discussed moving out of Tennessee..We hate it here. There is too much congestion and rude,selfish people. My husband lost his job 3 years ago and has not been able to find a job. It is not from the lack of trying. VW would not hire him because of his credit history. Amazon is only hiring through the temp agencies. No guarantee there either. I work in the hospitality field and notice more than most as far as rude people. This city is not safe any longer. The public school system is horrible and I cant afford to send my children to private schools here. So alternatives are being considered. I have many family members who live elsewhere and I have visited them and they outweigh chattanooga by a long shot. To those who got out, congratulations. To those who choose to stay thats your choice but in the end, you will hear the phrase.."told you so."

December 27, 2011 at 2:17 a.m.
Pizzaguy said...

I am originally from Philly, spent 31 years in Florida (less 4 years at college here in TN) and have been in Chatt a little over 2 years now.

1)- I agree the crime rate is somewhat shocking. Way too many people shot for this size of town.

2) - The cost of living here is much better than most of the country.

3) - We have no state income tax here.

4) - Jobs can be hard to come by, but get your foot in the door and prove what you can do. Even if that means taking a job at a temporary service.

Chatt area has a lot to offer, but still has room to grow. You may complain about Yankee's, but they make the best pizza. (I have tried most places here and it's awful.)

December 27, 2011 at 7:46 a.m.
rolando said...

Conservative -- I see your point. I don't live in the city environs and don't intend to. It isn't just Chatt. with the problem...all inner cities have the same issues. It goes with the territory. Ever since the [guvmnt-instigated] destruction of the black nuclear family, the inner-city violence has steadily risen. Everywhere.

Gang-related crime has also steadily risen along with the increased illegal mestizo presence here; again, just like the rest of the larger cities. Related? Who can say. This president we have certainly isn't helping the situation.

I have come to love Tennessee and the Tennesseans, ever since my first trip down off Signal Mtn 10 years ago on my way to Florida to retire. I spent a few days here then returned to Dayton, Oh via Suck Creek Rd up the mountain. Beautiful. Sold my snowblower and got the hell out of Dodge and never looked back.

The real Tennesseans are a remarkable breed. God Bless them all. Believe it or not, Chatt. reminds me of my birth-city -- and the people -- in the Southern California of my youth.

December 27, 2011 at 8:33 a.m.
holdout said...

Actually one year around twenty years ago there were 54 murders in Chattanooga. I can't see how the murder rates relate to where people are originally from anyway. It is more to do with their attitudes. It isn't about the economy either. There are plenty of honest and decent people who are poor. There are plenty of people out there looking for jobs who do not steal or kill. Throughout history work and and money have migrated and people have followed. Tennessee is still a great place to live. You might find a job in the northwest paying more than the one you have here but if you move there you will have a lower standard of living.

December 27, 2011 at 8:46 a.m.
conservative said...

Rolondo--

I don't pigeonhole all "yankees" as bad, just the ones who misbehave and have this air of superiority in dealing with us southern hicks. I've had yankee friends who have over the years become "southernized" and don't like the behavior of new "yankees" to the south as well. We also have fun mocking each others accent. I'm sure you being a Conservative have never been one of those "yankees." I try to be brief when I comment which leaves me open to a lot of interpretations. Welcome to the great state of Tennessee. Go Vols!

December 27, 2011 at 12:09 p.m.
Rtazmann said...

THERE IS NOTHING HERE,,,,,RULES AND REGULATIONS AND PRIMATIVE GOVERNMENT ,,,,,NOTHING MODERN.NOTHING FOR CHILDREN....

December 27, 2011 at 1:27 p.m.
rolando said...

Duplicate entry. Sorry.

December 27, 2011 at 1:45 p.m.
rolando said...

I identify with neither the North or the South, conservative...too many Air Force years for that. But I do favor Tennessee as a plain old better place to live...and I have experienced a lot of those that fall short.

Short illustrative anecdote follows:

Last week while driving to West Virginia to visit my daughter for Christmas, my hands-free cell phone rang. I accepted the call and my wife and I listened while a very nice lady -- with a delightful accent -- apologized for dialing a wrong number. We said it was OK and wished her a Merry Christmas and started to end the call. But she returned our wish and, since we were on the road asked to say a prayer for us to ensure safe travel. We accepted and she did. She was confined in a hospital but was the nicest person.

All this from an complete stranger. A beautiful lady in many ways. She was, of course, a life long Tennessean.

Where else in the US but a Southern state...Florida perhaps excepted.

One day I will relate my experience with those "nice folks" in Kennedy Airport in NY City...

December 27, 2011 at 1:55 p.m.
holdout said...

What modern thing would you like to have for the children?

December 27, 2011 at 2:38 p.m.
rolando said...

Here are a few modern things coming South soon, razman.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/27/new-technology-civil-war/

December 27, 2011 at 7:16 p.m.
echowestwood said...

It's been tough everywhere, and I really hope we get out of this recession soon.

December 28, 2011 at 1:59 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

I agree with rtazmann. I grew up in this city and the good old boy network just gets bigger and more backwards. The consumer is not protected in this state. Neither is the employee. And the public education system is deplorable.

My ancestors settled in the East Tennessee area before this was a state. I think that they would not be happy with the way it is now. I know that I am not.

rolando, straight from the article... "Cummings doesn’t see Atlanta as a competitor to Silicon Valley..." It's about customer service in the tech world...being "civil." Besides, the article is about technology companies in Atlanta and that is a far cry from what goes on in Tennessee. We don't give the kids a good enough education here in Tennessee for any of them to be worrying about Silicon Valley jobs.

December 28, 2011 at 10:21 p.m.
holdout said...

So what goes on in Oakridge? Advanced flint knapping? What about Tullohoma? Advanced paper airplane folding?

December 29, 2011 at 10:56 a.m.
SavartiTN said...

holdout...I have family that worked at Oak Ridge and friends that work at Arnold in Tullahoma. The scientists and engineers are mostly imports. In other words, people from other states or countries. The ideas come from other places and the local grunts do the dirty work. Cheap labor and no unions make it a spectacular place to have businesses! And no one cares about the Superfund sites left behind!

December 29, 2011 at 6:51 p.m.
holdout said...

I can't say that you are wrong Savarti but I do have to say that the opportunities are there for locals who want to be a part of them. I remember the math and science push that came with NASA in Huntsville and there were lots of locals who ended up with advanced degrees and careers because of it. The Superfund sites are a whole other story though. It's amazing how often the Feds will leave them behind and then hide behind secrecy rules and just plain being bigger than anyone else to avoid taking the blame.

December 30, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.
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