published Saturday, December 31st, 2011

Auld Lang Syne

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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John_Proctor said...

Ron Paul's older writings are coming back to haunt him, especially those concerning AIDS and gays and individual versus "group rights." That's the point of Clay's cartoon.

Good luck to the candidate trying to claim that the book published under his name was ghost written by "associates" who were "mean."

December 31, 2011 at 12:08 a.m.
alprova said...

Ron Paul's defense of his prior words is as laughable as Herman Cain's defense of his womanizing.

Ron Paul is a closet bigot/racist and he attempts to hide a very dark outlook when it comes to civil rights, homosexuals, and Hispanics.

Ron Paul wrote that AIDS patients were victims of their own lifestyle, questioned the rights of minorities and argued that people who are sexually harassed at work should quit their jobs.

"The individual suffering from AIDS certainly is a victim -- frequently a victim of his own lifestyle -- but this same individual victimizes innocent citizens by forcing them to pay for his care."

"It's dangerous to craft a separate set of rights for groups like Hispanics, African-Americans, children, employees and the homeless. Until all these terms are dropped and we recognize that only an individual has rights, the solution to the mess in which we find ourselves will not be found."

"Every year new groups organize to demand their 'rights.'" White people who organize and expect the same attention as other groups are quickly and viciously condemned as dangerous bigots. Hispanic, black, and Jewish caucuses can exist in the U.S. Congress, but not a white caucus, demonstrating the absurdity of this approach for achieving rights for everyone."

"I defend the rights of an individual to control property and run his or her business as he or she chooses without interference from the social do-gooder."

"Employee rights are said to be valid when employers pressure employees into sexual activity. Why don't they quit once the so-called harassment starts? Obviously the morals of the harasser cannot be defended, but how can the harassee escape some responsibility for the problem? Seeking protection under civil rights legislation is hardly acceptable."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC2s3pahYxI&feature=related

December 31, 2011 at 1:04 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

WHO CARES?

The 'newsletter' quotes are old news. It seems they resurface every election cycle, so people who support Ron Paul have already read the most inflammatory passages and probably still like him for one of two reasons:

1) They chose to ignore all that hateful garbage.

OR

2) They actually agree with all that hateful garbage.

That's fine; freedom of speech and all that.

But you have to assume that even his most fervent supporters already know - putting aside for a moment the entire 'newsletter' controversy - that most Americans are not going to vote for a guy who wants to legalize cocaine and heroin. Or wants to abolish the Federal Reserve and return to the gold standard. Or claims we had no right kill bin Laden. Or dozens of other positions that fall outside the majority of voters' comfort zone.

To the bigger picture, the current mess in Iowa - cleverly disguised as a caucus - graphically demonstrates the fractious nature of the republican party today. Establishment republicans are backing Romney.

The tea baggers, however, having been flirting desperately with anyone who can carry the conservative mantle and not sound like a dork doing so, but tick, tock, tick, tock... They are running out of both time and candidates.

December 31, 2011 at 1:05 a.m.
alprova said...

blackwater48 wrote: "The 'newsletter' quotes are old news."

They may well be, but the details being released were news to me. It may well be that the issue had surfaced in the past, but then, he's garnering a bit more support than usual this time around, at least in Iowa.

People who don't know Ron Paul and his Son, deserve to be made aware of just what is seething inside of their two brains.

"It seems they resurface every election cycle, so people who support Ron Paul have already read the most inflammatory passages and probably still like him for one of two reasons:"

"1) They chose to ignore all that hateful garbage."

"OR"

"2) They actually agree with all that hateful garbage"

I think that number two is absolutely true, and therefore number one is true because number two is true.

Look at the folks that tout him in this forum. They seem to be cut from the same bolt of cloth.

It's scary to think that Ron and Rand Paul have so many shameless worshipers.

December 31, 2011 at 2:23 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

We all know who the repugnants, lobbyists and press have picked and the rest are easy targets. Load the field with idiots and the average mormon in temple panties starts to look good. Their leaders are represenative of their voters. The only difference between ron paul and the others is he put it in writing.

December 31, 2011 at 3:17 a.m.
acerigger said...

Could it be that "the FIX is in" in ways we don't suspect? Why would the Repubs fail to present any candidate who would stand a chance of beating Pres. Obama? Why do Repubs continue to paint themselves as foot-draggers and obstuctionists? From the oligarch's point of view,what's not to like about Obama?

December 31, 2011 at 4:59 a.m.
EaTn said...

I have to agree that the folks who hijacked the GOP in the last election are the ones who support Paul and his failed predecessors. They are a minority who will never get their candidate through the primary and don't have the stomach to support anyone like Romney who doesn't share their extreme views, therefore they basically will hand the presidency back to Obama.

December 31, 2011 at 6:57 a.m.
woody said...

In other words, "...you'll never be able to soar like an eagle if you keep hanging around a bunch of turkeys...."..Woody

December 31, 2011 at 7:16 a.m.
davisss13 said...

And I thought Gingrich had baggage.

December 31, 2011 at 7:44 a.m.
jesse said...

all ofum got baggage! newt is the BEST of a bad lot! the country can't handle 4 more years of obama! need to try some thing diff.! romney would just be 4 more years of what we've had for the last 4 years!

December 31, 2011 at 8:28 a.m.
mymy said...

Michelle is calling on you libs. Get your checkbook out and write. On a $4M Vacation, Michelle Seeks $3 From Backers by Keith Koffler on December 30, 2011, 1:21 pm Speaking from her paradisical $4 million Hawaii vacation, Mrs. Obama wants to know: Do any of President Obama’s supporters have $3 to spare for his reelection? This is approximately like coming upon Warren Buffett on a street corner with a McDonald’s cup asking if he can have 15 cents. Michelle’s request was part of an email sent to the Obama 2012 list today. “Over the next 11 months we’ve got an organization to grow, voters to register, and people to get fired up. I hope you’ll close out this year by donating $3 or more now to help make sure we’re ready for the next one . . . Thank you so much, and happy new year, Michelle” The obscene juxtaposition of the first lady on a $4 million vacation while asking what would have to be middle to low income earners for three bucks – who else would they be targeting with such an appeal? – is yet another example of lack of perspective the Obamas seem to be gaining while in power. Mrs. Obama takes extravagant vacations to Spain and southern Africa. The president golfs obsessively and is currently dining at Honolulu’s ritziest restaurants. All while asking their fellow Americans to “sacrifice” during this time of not plenty. And they blow $4 million – mostly taxpayers’ money – on a vacation, while wondering if the small people can come up with $3. What about renting a beach house next year at the Jersey shore? I mean, if we’re all going to sacrifice.

December 31, 2011 at 8:34 a.m.
mymy said...

From over the Pond which is where we are headed:

The dawn of a new year is usually a time of hope and ambition, of dreams for the future and thoughts of a better life. But it is a long time since many of us looked forward to the new year with such anxiety, even dread.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080534/Loss-faith-democracy-make-2012-frightening-year-ever.html#ixzz1i7TRYvfh

December 31, 2011 at 8:45 a.m.
GMills said...

Mymy, All presidents take vacations. Your constant attempt to sway the jury with outlandish references gives me a good laugh. You pontificate too much. Do you really believe all this stuff you write?

December 31, 2011 at 9:06 a.m.
alprova said...

MyMy didn't write it. She copied and pasted it.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/12/30/4m-vacation-michelle-seeks-3-backers/

There is nobody on the face of this Earth who can begin to justify the $4 million dollar figure quoted in reference to the cost of the Obama's vacation.

Fundraising for Presidential runs is ongoing with all of the Republican candidates as well. As a registered Republican, I receive those pleas from the Republican side of the aisle in my email inbox on a daily basis.

December 31, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.

Isn't this about Ron Paul, not whatever hateful rhetoric you can spew from the hate machine about President Obama?

That said, if you want ALL politicians and their families to live like a cloistered monk/nun, I can get behind that. Emphasis on the ALL. Making them live at the charity of their individual constituents would be quite appropriate. And that would include monitoring to be sure some lobbyist or family member (or both!) did not abuse the system.

December 31, 2011 at 9:31 a.m.
alprova said...

MyMy, you really should read that which you submit into this forum.

Imagine my amusement when I read the following paragraph contained in that article;

"Today, American voters looking for alternatives are confronted only with a bizarre gaggle of has-beens, inadequates and weirdos, otherwise known as the Republican presidential field. And to anybody who cares about the future of the Western world, the prospect of President Ron Paul or President Newt Gingrich is frankly spine-chilling."

December 31, 2011 at 9:37 a.m.
riverman said...

Just love the hypocrisy of the funny looking guy with crayons who graduated from a directional school in Alabama. He makes a valid point about Paul who I am embarrassed to say is a Republican. However I am sure Clayboy had no problem with Obama listening to the rantings of the racist and anti-Semitic uh, Reverend, Wright for 20 years. And he certainly had no problem with Barry running around with Bill Ayres and his wife who blew up federal buildings in their younger days.

December 31, 2011 at 9:46 a.m.

So...you allege there's guilt on one side, but I guess all that means is that everybody is dirty here?

Ok, here's my suggestion. We only elect babies to high office. They won't have a history to judge them on. Note: Acting like a baby is not enough.

December 31, 2011 at 9:52 a.m.
MTJohn said...

riverman said...However I am sure Clayboy had no problem with Obama listening to the rantings of the racist and anti-Semitic uh, Reverend, Wright for 20 years. And he certainly had no problem with Barry running around with Bill Ayres and his wife who blew up federal buildings in their younger days.

Perhaps that is because Clay limits his subject matter that which has a basis in fact.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jan/23/chain-email/obama-decried-farrakhans-racism/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/oct/10/radical-ayers-allegation/

December 31, 2011 at 10:26 a.m.
mymy said...

alprova said... MyMy didn't write it. She copied and pasted it.

I did read it and thought you would get a kick out of that, but Obama does not come off very good either:

Barack Obama cuts a similarly impotent, indecisive and isolationist figure.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080534/Loss-faith-democracy-make-2012-frightening-year-ever.html#ixzz1i8C0erAP

December 31, 2011 at 11:39 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Hey Chet 123, Could you please go back to the last topic and respond to it? Thanks. You other liberal can look at it too.

Regarding this topic, being a conservative I don't know why Clay is wasting his time on Ron Paul, he's a nut. I'm happy that Rick S. is surging and when he comes into the top tier I can't wait to see what Clay will put out on him.

I wish EVERYONE on the site a very Happy/Healthy New Year.

December 31, 2011 at 1:13 p.m.
lumpy said...

The hypocracy with you leftist goons knows no bounds. You have the audacity to bitch and whine about a candidate's past associations and documented beliefs, yet Obumble get a free pass regarding his past. Obumble is flame throwing anti-American and a Marxist. He wrote about his disdain for the middle class, for our Constitution. He associated and admired Bigots, anti-semites and terrorists. Not only that, but he had NO resume. Ron Paul is a crackpot on foreign policy, but he's no less the crackpot that Obumble is.

No other candidate would get away with sitting in church run by an anti-semite and racist for 20 years. The only Obumble got away with it is because he's "black" and a leftist.

Regarding Michelle Obama, good point Mymy. She is fair game. She's in our faces and she rubs it in at a time when many Americans are struggling. She has flown many times seperately from her husband which is costly and wasteful. Because she wants to make a grand entrance? Her outlandish statements, such as "we just can't leave it up to the parents" are fair game for criticism.

December 31, 2011 at 2:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I'd rather have Ron Paul on his worst day than Obama on his best day. I’d take Ron Paul’s most questionable associates over anyone in Obama’s cabinet.

I guess The Wart must consider Ron Paul to be leading the Republican pack right now or he would not be criticizing him. So predictable. So mind numbingly boring.

December 31, 2011 at 2:38 p.m.
hambone said...

The GOP picking a candidate is like picking the least DRUNK DRIVER.

December 31, 2011 at 3 p.m.
dude_abides said...

It's been an absolute thrill watching you Nazi pigs come more and more unglued as the writing on the wall becomes more legible. You have this parade of misfits bidding for your vote, and you can't see any of them motivating the Klan base enough to unseat your President. You skinheads would probably have rather seen Obama killed than Osama bin Laden. You alternate between calling him a dumbass and calling him an evil genius. You trash your First Lady, even as she's on TV trying to raise awareness for supporting our returning troops. What did Lady Bird Bush do, some kind of no library left behind BS? You know, the republican "Train Wreck 2012" is your own fault. You should have been out there organizing instead of coming on this thread day after day to bemoan the free speech of this cartoonist. If you weren't politically lazy, you would never have time to spend here. If you continue to post here, it's an admission that you only want to run your trap, and that you truly don't have enough conviction to get off your ass and knock on doors. I'm just glad that there are enough true Americans out there to give the President a second term, and give me four more years of laughs as you rubes go more and more rabid.

December 31, 2011 at 3:24 p.m.
alferdp said...

BigRidgePatriot said...I'd rather have Ron Paul on his worst day than Obama on his best day.

I'd wager that the Patriot would also prefer Hitler on his worst day.

December 31, 2011 at 3:52 p.m.
BobMKE said...

I'll translate the above for dude_abides. All of you conservatives stay off of this site. It is the liberal way or the highway. It is our way and that way is "by any means possible." We don't respect your views and you have no right to express them. Forget your Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and what the Founding Fathers stood for. We want anyone that makes a dollar more than us to pay more taxes. We what a BIG Government that will meet all of our needs cradle to grave. We know that that Socialism has not worked any where in the history of the world but it will this time with our great leaders like Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters, Al Franken and we will honor the great memory of Teddy Kennedy. Some day we HOPE that we and all of our familes could meet these great people and it will be the thrill of a life time for us. So you conservatives you can forget what has happened over the past 236 years because that is all nothing but old ideas. The new great liberal time in America starts now. Stay off of this site because your ideas are not welcome here anymore.

Clay Bennett rules.

December 31, 2011 at 3:59 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

YAWN

December 31, 2011 at 4:08 p.m.
dude_abides said...

what BobMKE is trying to say is: We have owned this country since we took it from the Indians by any means we felt necessary. We will continue to own this country, even if it's an apartheid system . The idea of a black man being our leader is heresy, for we know that we are genetically superior. We are confused and angry, and we're more attracted to our daughters than our wives (ouch). This accounts for certain genetic mutations, which you silly liberals try to blame on nuclear pollution. We would prefer to moan on this thread than get involved in a more kinetic way (even though we know it leads to Asslarger Syndrome). Simply put, you have stolen the initiative while we were sleeping off a self congratulatory hangover. We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it any more, unless that means we have to get off our duffs... in which case we would prefer just casting aspersions.

December 31, 2011 at 4:41 p.m.
jesse said...

hey dude abides !

first chance you get move into the rubber room next door to chet 123!

we are all mature adults and we disagree on a lot of issues BUT in the time i have been on here it has boiled down to two factions!! the folk that have arrived at their views thru thought,evaluation and introspection! then you have the idjits who run on emotion,hate,bias and the desire to JUST RAISE HELL!

we CAN disagree w/out all the name callin! JUST because i think you are WRONG doesn't make YOU OR ME an idiot! SO GET OVER YOURSELF!!(NAZIS MY A$$!THATS ABOUT THE STUPIDEST REMARK I EVER SEEN ON HERE!!!)

December 31, 2011 at 5:29 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

It's pretty widely accepted these days that the Roman Empire collapsed because they used dinnerware made of lead, and all went insane from heavy metal poisoning. The question at this point is, what are the liberals putting into their brains that makes them think this country is sustainable if run the way they want it. We're headed the way of the Titanic (everybody will be really sorry they ignored the danger signs) if things don't change.

The conservatives are just about as bad.

Most of the world lives in poverty. Most Americans are going to live that way in a few years if we keep it up.

You can't have prosperity if half the population is drug and alcohol addicted. You can't have prosperity if more than half of the children are living in single parent families.

The Constitution was written in a time when people had morals and values to guide their actions. Recently, its use has been to avoid responsibility for self control. I can do anything I want as long as you can't get a search warrant to prove I did it -- I can do anything I want as long as you can't spy on me to discover it -- that's crap. People who act in good faith DON'T DO THE WRONG THINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Those who obey the laws have nothing to fear from measures taken to protect us from terrorists.

You liberals may win. When you do, a lot of you are going to be standing around asking, "Where's my share?" The answer is going to be, "We're out. Sorry. Bad luck."

The people who read Lenin and Marx fail to go back and see how that all worked out after the Russian revolution. Same in France. The common people only suffered more, except in France, free enterprise was allowed to exist, and that's why they are a strong nation today.

Both sides of this argument, liberal and conservative, have got to move toward a single solution that serves everyone if we want things to get better. The pointless competition only tears things down. The government is not going to be able to support all the people who don't support themselves, and the free enterprise system can't continue to seek profits at the expense of American jobs. Figure it out.

You're both wrong about all of it the way you're going at it, and there will be no peace in a nation that tries to fight itself this way.

December 31, 2011 at 6:18 p.m.
mymy said...

Right On Jesse! :)

December 31, 2011 at 6:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse... did you just turn into Chet123 at the end of your last post? Idjit! (your regular pejorative term)

mymy... your daddy tu_quoque said anyone who uses smiley faces is behaving like a teenaged girl.

prairie_dog... if Rome had a Democratic Party they probably would have gotten the lead out of the plumbing, dinner ware and drinking vessels!

December 31, 2011 at 6:40 p.m.
jesse said...

after that expulsion of verbiage from dude abides i have come to the conclusion that his I.Q. and his SHOE SIZE ara EXACTLY THE SAME!!(9 1/2 or 10!!lol!

December 31, 2011 at 7:22 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Ara you serious, jesse? Or ara you kidding? What ara you trying to say?

December 31, 2011 at 7:33 p.m.
mymy said...

dude_abides said... If you weren't politically lazy, you would never have time to spend here. If you continue to post here, it's an admission that you only want to run your trap, and that you truly don't have enough conviction to get off your ass and knock on doors

You must have been looking in the mirror when you said that and yes, you have a low IQ.

December 31, 2011 at 7:54 p.m.
jesse said...

hey DUDE! you JUST got done callin every body on here that DISAGREES w/you a "NAZI" !DO YOU still not understand WHAT i'm sayin??(cretin!!)

December 31, 2011 at 8:01 p.m.
alprova said...

prarie_dog wrote: "You liberals may win. When you do, a lot of you are going to be standing around asking, "Where's my share?" The answer is going to be, "We're out. Sorry. Bad luck."..."

This may come as a shock to you, but although I am a liberal, I don't want a thing from you or any other conservative.

I work for a living just like you do. I pay taxes just like you do.

I would dare offer that all the other liberals who frequent this forum do too.

This crap that some of you ladle on us, for not touting the Republican/Conservative mantra is getting more than a little old.

"You can't have prosperity if more than half of the children are living in single parent families."

The percentage of children living in single parent households is nowhere near "more than half." According to the 2010 census, the percentage is around 27%.

"The Constitution was written in a time when people had morals and values to guide their actions."

The Constitution was also written at a time that the entire United States had a population that the State of Connecticut has today, or about 3.5 million people.

Most people in this nation are still guided by morals and values. Conservatives, as much as they would like to believe otherwise, do not have any lock on them either.

"The question at this point is, what are the liberals putting into their brains that makes them think this country is sustainable if run the way they want it. We're headed the way of the Titanic (everybody will be really sorry they ignored the danger signs) if things don't change."

I disagree strongly. This country is slowly getting back on track for the first time in 30 years. The vast majority of the people in this nation were never more prosperous than they were during the 40 years that the Democrats dominated at least two executive branches of the Government.

When Ronald Reagan was elected, the national debt rise began. In 1981 Reagan's supply siders wrote tax cuts for the rich. Reagan increased the debt by $1.9 Trillion. Then Bush I spent another $3.4 Trillion. Accumulated interest over the next 17 years, with compounding, grew to $8.2 Trillion by Sept. 30, 2010.

Voodoo economics, as Bush I called it, didn't work in 20 out of 20 years.

GWB set forth spending $6.1 trillion dollars more -- spending that extended well into Obama's Presidency, much of which has been attributed very unfairly onto the shoulders of Obama.

The current debt aside, the tanking of the economy, which is attributable to the Republican initiative to replace the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, which prevented banks, investment firms, and insurance companies from merging with one another, with the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999, is EXACTLY why this country is suffering today.

You can sit around and blame liberals for declines in standards if you wish, but you do so ignorantly.

December 31, 2011 at 8:04 p.m.
jesse said...

hey al! it ain't out of ignorance it's out of a diff.view of econ.. i happin to be of the idea that if you have $5.00 an hour comming in and you are spending $8.00 an hour going out you are in DEEP kimchee!!you on the other hand seem to think that all you have to do is go borrow what you need to take up the slack!thats what we been doin since f.d.r. and it's gittin ready to bite us on the A$$!

.00

December 31, 2011 at 8:22 p.m.
dude_abides said...

mymy... I wouldn't copy someone's statements and then berate them for having a low I.Q. You wouldn't be a pro wrestling fan, by any chance, would you?

jesse... I'm sorry, I see my mistake now. I meant to say Anasazi. Furthermore, instead of skinhead, I meant to say valiant sufferers of male pattern baldness. Also, by Klan base I meant flan paste. Please insert rubies in place of rubes (because you are precious).

December 31, 2011 at 8:46 p.m.
hambone said...

alprova, your confusing em with facts again!

You know that won't work!

Just brings on the name calling!

December 31, 2011 at 8:56 p.m.

prairie_dog: No, that theory of lead poisoning is not widely accepted, and it is severely in doubt as to whether it was a factor, but even if it were, there were many other things going on that were also impacting the Empire.

However, this has little, if anything to do with Ron Paul, so I'll decline to digress further on it.

December 31, 2011 at 9:01 p.m.
acerigger said...

HEY YALL,,HAPPY NEW YEAR!

December 31, 2011 at 9:18 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Happy New Year, ace, keep your head low. I don't think those are fireworks.

December 31, 2011 at 9:30 p.m.
ceeweed said...

Happy New Year to you too, acerigger! That goes for all my friends that post on this forum!

December 31, 2011 at 9:33 p.m.
acerigger said...

They're shootin' blanks dude!!

December 31, 2011 at 10:52 p.m.
rolando said...

This space reserved for TFP-directed Pablum response. See http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/20...

January 1, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.
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