published Saturday, July 23rd, 2011

Spot of Tea

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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blackwater48 said...

BURN, BABY, BURN

The born again republican party has struck again. House Speaker John Boehner has walked out of negotiation with the President on raising the debt ceiling to the overwhelming joy of his tea bagger caucus. House republicans were never bargaining to get the best possible deal before agreeing to raise the debt ceiling. They didn't want to raise the debt ceiling in the first place. Period. They think it’s a hoax. They think it’s just Obama using scare tactics. They would rather blow up the economy just to see what that would look like.

And if Boehner ever struck a deal with Obama and had that photo op shaking hands with the President he wouldn't be Speaker of House for long. Eric Cantor can't stop smiling thinking about getting his hands on that gavel. Boehner might be out anyway. Tea baggers are prepared to go forward with their faith based and fact devoid political theology.

Alabama republican Mo Brooks told the Washington Post July 14 that, “Our credit rating should be improved by not raising the debt ceiling.”

Arkansas republican Eric Crawford told the Post that if America were to default the government could just move some money around. “That wouldn’t work for just a few days. That would work for a few years.” He went on to say, “I think that’s probably an arrogant attitude to take…” to assume defaulting on our debts would be a big deal.

Tim Walberg, republican from Michigan, added that republicans should, “Hold the line,” meaning the Country should not raise the debt ceiling and simply default.

Florida representative Allen West accused Obama of fear mongering. Louis Gohmert, republican from Texas, went on TV to announce, “You would think that a responsible leader in this country would make sure that we encourage bond holders, that we encourage people that held our debt, ‘You don’t have to worry about anything. The only thing you guys have to fear is fear itself, because we’re going to stand good for it.’”

Michele Bachman, republican from Minnesota, also went on TV to say, “This is a misnomer…that if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling by $2.5 Trillion that somehow the United States would go into default and we would lose the full faith and credit of the United States. That is simply not true.”

Tea baggers might be born again but the rest of us are going to burn.

July 23, 2011 at 12:32 a.m.
librul said...

No, BW - the rest of us are finally going to wake up to the outright thievery, selfishness, idiocy, lies, hypocrisy and deception these right-wing cyborgs have and are STILL trying to feed us.

These subhuman, knuckle-dragging pols have shown their true colors becoming even MORE intransigent as the debt ceiling deadline approaches. It is now as clear as crystal that their one-track minds (which left the track long ago) have no other interest than tearing down the social safety net and trying to convince the people that corporations and billionaires should get MORE and MORE for doing NOTHING ("job creators" my a$$) while the people who have worked and PAID into their social security accounts through payroll taxes their ENTIRE LIVES should have their deserved benefits stolen from them.

This is destroying the Republican Party. Obama's weak-kneed, conciliatory attitude about this radicalism is destroying his presidency and the Democratic Party. We are standing flatfooted, in shock and awe, watching what most anyone who has paid attention to American politics for the last fifty years recognizes as the destruction of American government. Anywhere from 70 to 80 percent of Americans (no relation to what Boohoo Boehner refers to as "the American people", i.e. the top 2%) want Obama to hold fast on Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare. If he caves AGAIN - there will be blood, and these tea party radicals should all be hunted down and shot in the street like rabid dogs.

July 23, 2011 at 12:58 a.m.
Selah said...

Right on librul & blackwater

Republicans have GOT to GO!!! The lies, deceit, and greed have ruled for too long. We Must Speak and Speak LOUD!!! The Republicans only Live for the Rich...Vote 2012

July 23, 2011 at 1:31 a.m.
Selah said...

Clay...you continue to "out do" yourself. Love it!!!

July 23, 2011 at 1:56 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

MASTER CLASS

I think we may have just witnessed a political coup. When all this first started, Obama wanted a clean Bill to authorize raising the debt ceiling. The republicans wanted to take the Bill hostage and try to extract from the President $2 trillion is spending cuts.

Who won?

Republicans have been forced to shout at the top of their lungs that they would rather protect the rich and screw the poor. Heck, most republicans disagree with that.

Obama is now viewed as the honest negotiator who was willing to make tough concessions that members of his own party criticized. I don't believe he ever had any intention of cutting Social Security. He knew republicans would never agree to tax cuts so he could offer to slash domestic spending $4 trillion instead of the 2. But, he said, to be fair we would need to off-set our approach with some additional revenue, like canceling tax payer subsidies for oil and closing some corporate tax loopholes. Predictably, both Cantor and Boehner walked away from deals any sane republican would have leaped at.

At the end of the day the President is going to sign a clean Bill to raise the debt ceiling. Republicans will be seen as big babies who will pout and frown and hold their breath if they don't get their way.

Instead of waiting until November 2012, let's recall the tea baggers now!

July 23, 2011 at 2:02 a.m.
hambone said...

I like it! I LIKE IT! When the dust settles, Obama and the Democrats will come out on top in 2012!

And when they see what they have done the TEE TEE PARTY will soil their collective diapers

July 23, 2011 at 2:03 a.m.
dougmusn said...

Sadly, common sense is not common. Clarity and wisdom could rule the day in 2012 UNLESS enough Americans sit home and do not vote or Americans remain afraid by the froth of hysteria (so far successfully) whipped up by the Repthuglicans. Crossing my fingers is about all I can do from here.

July 23, 2011 at 5:35 a.m.
woody said...

Contrary to what some here might believe..2012 is not going to be 'good' for "The Right." However, I am much more concerned about what life is going to be like on Aug. 3rd 2011.

I can't speak for all Social Security recipients or MediCare patients, but I don't believe we can wait for Nov. 2012 to right the wrongs they are within days of perpetrating on us.

God help us..it doesn't look as though congress wants to..Woody

July 23, 2011 at 6:35 a.m.
EaTn said...

As many of the above comments have stated, we are withing days of finding out if the big money in this country is going to totally overpower the voice of the majority. The teetering point is between more taxes on the wealthy on one side and reduced benefits for the seniors, unemployed and other needy on the other side.

July 23, 2011 at 7:36 a.m.
EaTn said...

This reminds me of an episode on Andy and Barney where a school bully was taking Opie's nickel every day before school. The wise dad Andy told Opie that if he didn't stand up to the bully he would continue to lose his nickels. The majority in this country need to stand up and say we won't be bullied by a pack of wimpy dogs.

July 23, 2011 at 8:18 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

laughable. just laughable.

what we have in the white house is THE most immature and narcissistic man to ever occupy the white. a big baby.

you lib's analysis on this thread is comical.

"subhuman".........all emotion....you libs all emotion and not logic and common sense.

silly, goofy, cartoon comments on here so far. here's the way it is......it's as simple as this... there's a feeling of chaos, instability, hopelessness and complete lack of confidence since obumble came on the scence. it's reflected in the poll numbers.

when people vote 2012, as they did in the mid-terms, it will be a referendum on obama.

poll after poll shows he's in trouble. where does he go to rally the troups? he goes to a college campus. why? because anyone who is in the real world knows he's a screw up and a disaster.

see, you libs, no one with a rational mind believes our government doesn't collect enough money. no one. the problem is the unimaginable waste and the entitlement mentality.

you libs are desperate to save your man....the man you thought was the perfect liberal, a half white, half black, leftist and statist............

you absolute fools....you banked on this guy and he ends up being nothing but a corporate ass kisser. the correct corporations...the ones that back the democrat party.

you simply hate when someone you disagree with will not budge on their views...you would criminalize it if you could..............

"the voice of the majority" spoke on 11/2/10...you libs just can't face it..

congratulations to the house for not giving obama what he wants...keep it up.

it's important for obama and the democrats to fail in order for america to get back on its feet at this point.

you democrats are just dumb...flat out dumb.....instead of nominating someone like phil bredeson, who i thought did a great job at governing responsibly....you grab your ankles for a demagogue like obama......you get what you deserve. obama's not even man, let alone a president.

america has rejected overwhelming obama's and the democrat party's statist vision....so you need to move on......you libs on here are out of touch.

obama needs to grow up and eat his peas. that means realizing that he's dealing with real money not monopoly money.

July 23, 2011 at 8:22 a.m.
miraweb said...

Love it. Well done, Clay!

July 23, 2011 at 8:40 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I think I might actually be starting to trust/like John Boehner? It looks like he has iBama cornered and acting like a wounded dog. Pretty entertaining to watch!

iBama and Reid are serious threats to the future of this country. Thank God for the Tea Party and the support they offer to people like John Boehner at this critical time.

On a lighter note, since Clay Bennett is incapable of producing anything worth lining the trash can of a Tea Party Patriot, have you seen this Phenomenal Advertisement yet?

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/75890/Spenditol/

Clay Bennett is on the wrong side of this issue and again demonstrates how he is The Wart on the face of the Chattanooga Times Free Press opinion page.

July 23, 2011 at 8:47 a.m.
limric said...

The Tea Party said to John Boehner,

Our meaning just couldn’t be plainer:

You’ll do as we say –

If not, then someday –

We’ll elevate someone insaner.


Spot on cartoon Clay.

July 23, 2011 at 9:05 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The baby bottle in Bennett's cartoon is iBama's!

iBama pulls his bottle from his lips and whines, "I've been left at the altar now a couple of times... he is not returning my calls"!

WWwwhhhaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Clearly, the flavor of Tea in his bottle is spoiling his delusions of grandeur! iBama is laughingstock!

July 23, 2011 at 9:07 a.m.
fairmon said...

Dr's say tea in moderation is a healthy drink. Babies Baehner and Obama acting like spoiled boys doesn't instill confidence. It is not smart to jump in front of a TV camera or fire off an email when you are mad. The naive support of either party should concern all of us.

July 23, 2011 at 9:14 a.m.
hambone said...

The problem is no matter what kind of deal is made, Boehner knows he can't deliver the votes of his members with Cantor's knife in his back!

July 23, 2011 at 9:17 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Baby iBama set the example of taking negotiations to the teleprompter. The infant wants MORE and cannot understand why Daddy Boehner won't give it to him. Maybe if he goes to mommie she will talk Daddy into giving him the Spenditol he is addicted to.

July 23, 2011 at 9:20 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

i can't even imagine how bad it would be if the tea party and conservatives didn't clean up on 11/2/10. imagine reid, pelosi and obama together, unchecked for another two years.

obama looked hurt and mad yesterday. i'll have my tax increases...or else, or else..or else..i'll, i'll hold my breath and stamp my feet.

obama needs a diaper change.......where's michelle?

July 23, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

DEAR JOHN

BRP sighed, I might actually be starting to trust/like John Boehner...

John doesn't even have support of his own republican caucus in the House. The only way he can get Bill passed is to get Democrats to sign on. In order to get Democratic support the tea baggers would oust him as Speaker and replace him with their darling, Eric Cantor.

As for John scoring political points consider this: Obama can go the American people and rightly claim that republicans Boehner and Cantor both just turned down a deal to cut spending $4 trillion - one of the issues the GOP campaigned on in '10 - to protect tax breaks for oil companies and billionaires. That republicans are more concerned with Wall Street than Main Street.

Does anyone seriously believe that any republican candidate can gain political traction in a campaign against a democrat on the issue of government spending?

Regardless of how true that is, or how masterfully Obama schooled these ideologically impotent tea baggers, we all know that in politics - as in life - perception is often reality.

It's no wonder BRP has developed a man crush on Boehner. Both are clueless, damaged, and completely out of touch with reality.

July 23, 2011 at 9:25 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Right on SeaMonkey. The Tea Party has already played a critical role in saving this country from Democrat' rule.

It is encouraging to see Boehner holding his ground, for now. Can he continue to hold? Will iBama's head explode in rage on the 2nd?

July 23, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

NO BILLIONAIRE LEFT BEHIND

Boehner and Cantor left a $4 trillion spending cut Bill on the table so that hedge fund managers, who make on average $2,900,000 per year, pay a lower tax rate than a working stiff earning $29K.

Yeah BRP and sea anomaly, thank god for tea baggers.

Um, why is that again?

July 23, 2011 at 9:33 a.m.
limric said...

How a Tea Party Family Used Republican Budgetary Principles To Get Its Fiscal House In Order (A Short Play)

Scene: Mayfield, USA. 211 Pine Street. The Cleaver home.

JUNE: Ward, don’t you think you were a little rough on the Beaver last night?

WARD: Now June, I hardly think this is the time to discuss our sex life. Can’t you see the boys are here?

JUNE: I’m not talking about that, dear. I’m talking about your making the Beaver get a third paper route. He has to go to school, you know.

BEAVER: Yeah, Dad. And on account of I’m not real brainy, I need to spend a whole bunch of time doing my homework.

WARD: I’m sorry, Beaver, but money is tight these days. I’d like to go into the office on Saturday mornings to boost my sales, but then I wouldn’t be able to spend half my paycheck at the Country Club, and the whole economy of Mayfield would suffer. You see, son, I’m what’s known as a job creator.

BEAVER: But Dad, Miss Caulfield says I’ll flunk third grade if I don’t study harder.

WARD: The matter is settled, Beaver. I’ve arranged for you to start delivering the morning edition of the Mayfield Tribune. You’re to turn all the money you make from your paper routes over to me. And I’m cutting back your allowance. It’s past time you pulled your own weight around here.

WALLY: What about me, Dad? Do I still have to quit high school and take that job at Home Depot?

WARD: I’m afraid so, Wally. You can get your GED later. Right now we have to tighten our belts. Now you and Beaver go on up to your room. We need the money in your piggy banks.

Exit BEAVER and WALLY

JUNE: Ward, it’s a shame we have to ruin the boys’ lives just because you can’t manage your money.

WARD: Well June, there is something else we could do. Have you ever thought of turning a few tricks on the side. . .?

CURTAIN

July 23, 2011 at 9:37 a.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said...Right on SeaMonkey. The Tea Party has already played a critical role in saving this country from Democrat' rule.

You might be right, BRP. But, unless you are ultra-rich, if the tea party succeeds, you will like the resulting reign of plutocracy and the loss of our republic even less than you like democrat rule.

July 23, 2011 at 9:40 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"It's the president who walked away from his agreement and demanded more money at the last minute," Boehner said.

iBama screamed, "I WANT MORE! I do not know how to lead, so I need MONEY to give away to people and corporations so I can BUY their love!" (with other people’s money)

July 23, 2011 at 9:41 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

MTJohn,

I've been thinking about that and have come to the conclusion that I would rather weather the storm of not having an agreement on the 2nd than to allow the federal government to move forward without serious reforms to how they budget and spend money. The current system is terminally broken and cannot be allowed to continue.

July 23, 2011 at 9:43 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Teabaggers have a fear:

Of the government. Of the president. Of Mexicans. Of change. Of blacks. Of terrorists. . Of artists. Of the U. N. Of professional women. Of foreigners. Of hip-hop. Of intellectuals. Of poor people. Of science. Of altruism. Of history. Of the media. Of ambiguity. Of the Clintons. Of books. Of someone getting something they’re not getting. Of evolution. Of gays. Of poets. Of Michelle Obama. Of atheists. Of the future. And mostly - Of being thought stupid.

Such are the ingredients of the baby bottle.

July 23, 2011 at 10:05 a.m.
EaTn said...

BRP wrote --"The current system is terminally broken and cannot be allowed to continue."

Actually, this is one of your comments that I agree with. My concern is that at the last minute they will throw garbage in the pot and hope it eventually cooks into a gourmet stew.

July 23, 2011 at 10:08 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Wow...! Way to go 'librul'...you're something else! Don't agree with your little band...and you state they should be (quote) "...hunted down and shot in the street like rabid dogs". What are you????

July 23, 2011 at 10:20 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

BRAVO!

Loved the one-act play, limric. Excellent.

Could actually hear all of their voices. And you just gave new meaning to June's pearl necklace.

Maybe next time you can have Eddie and/or Lumpy stop by!

July 23, 2011 at 10:28 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

ADD UP THE NUMBERS

No BRP, no sea cow, you're just wrong. Couldn't more wrong. You think you're right, but you're wrong. A majority believe that Obama was right in wanting BOTH decreased government spending and increased government revenue.

Only the tea baggers said, 'We are willing to negotiate as long as you agree to everything we demand while we capitulate on nothing. Otherwise, no deal."

Even a majority of REPUBLICANS (gasp) believe we should increase taxes along with spending cuts. Only you knot headed wing nuts are jumping up and down screaming inaudibly.

Look, Obama offered to put $4 trillion in spending cuts on the table.

Tea baggers, predictably, couldn't take 'Yes' for an answer.

July 23, 2011 at 10:37 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Blackwater should quit pretending he has a clue what was on the table. He listens to iBama and believes. That would be the definition of naiveté.

The Democrats do not want spending reform. They only want to protect the socialist “gains” they made when they controlled both houses of Congress AND the presidency. Nothing else matters.

The party is over. Deal with it.

July 23, 2011 at 11:03 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

EaTn said... "My concern is that at the last minute they will throw garbage in the pot and hope it eventually cooks into a gourmet stew."

Agreed. Neither party has shown that they can resist that temptation. Buying favor has been much more important that managing spending responsibly.

If it was not for the pressure applied by Tea Party sympathizers the Republicans would probably still be willing participants in the game.

July 23, 2011 at 11:12 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

I believe the problems in D.C. go far beyond these Tea babies, Clay. In fact, I’ve come to the conclusion our Nation is experiencing a real leadership void. We have people in D.C. taking up space, but a majority are not looking after our citizenry and acting in our Nation’s best interest. If they were, the Tea babies in D.C. wouldn't be running amok.

The question is what has caused this void? Does the void reflect some kind of strange evolutionary change within our Nation's citizenry or is it by intelligent design? Is there something in the air or food or water that causes U.S. politicians to betray the citizenry and completely abandon their responsibilities to this Nation? Has some sinister magician cast an evil spell over U.S. politicians and our Nation’s Capital?

At this point, I’m leaning more toward intelligent design. Our election process has become so corrupted by money coming from special interests groups, self-serving egotists, greedy corporate profiteers, and overly indulged media barons that any real concern for the general welfare of our citizenry and Nation has been eliminated from the get go.

July 23, 2011 at 11:24 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

iBama IS the void!

July 23, 2011 at 11:26 a.m.
alprova said...

And while America is waiting to see which Muslim group claims responsibility for the massacre in Oslo, it appears that police are questioning another home-grown Timothy McVeigh, on steroids. This one did more than park a truck in front of a building. He decided to indiscriminately aim rifles and pull the triggers to kill 85 people.

32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik, the suspect in Friday's massacre, is a farmer and a right-wing Christian fundamentalist, who had in the past, voiced objections to Norway's multi-culturism.

He also purchased 6,000 pounds of fertilizer that he is suspected of manufacturing into the bomb that exploded in Oslo.

Breivik is apparently cooperating with authorities, eager to tell his story and to explain why he did what he did.

July 23, 2011 at 11:48 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova feels more threatened by Christians than he is by Muslims or Democrats-Gone-Wild. In fact, he is a cheer leader for Democrats-Gone-Wild!

Keep your eye on the ball alpo!

July 23, 2011 at 11:54 a.m.
alprova said...

Creep!!

July 23, 2011 at 11:54 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Burp!

July 23, 2011 at 11:55 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Big Ridge Patriot said: "iBama IS the void!"

No, I believe the parents of these destructive Tea babies are Republican, BigRidgePatriot. Of course, if the Republicans continue to demonstrate their lack of effective parenting skills, Obama may have to intervene and telephone Washington's Department of Children's Social Services so they can take care of these spoiled out of control Tea babies.

July 23, 2011 at 11:56 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... “ Obama may have to intervene and …take care of these spoiled out of control Tea babies.”

You have a point here. iBama does have those fascist tendencies that tell him to eliminate the opposition!

July 23, 2011 at 12:01 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The Republicans already passed a reasonable solution in the House. It is the Democrats that walked away from the process of developing a budget when they tabled CC&B.

The new Democrat' process of throwing together deals behind closed doors has destroyed fiscal and legislative responsibility.

Democrats (and Clay Bennett) are a disease that needs to be cured.

July 23, 2011 at 12:11 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Is Boehner drinking Tea as he sits next to iBama this morning?

Is this a way to tell iBama what he thinks of his infantile temper tantrums?

Pretty darn funny!

July 23, 2011 at 12:16 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Big Ridge Patriot edits and twists to say: "You have a point here. iBama does have those fascist tendencies that tell him to eliminate the opposition!"

Some patriot you are, Big Ridge. . . Shame on you. . . Is this what the Republicans and Tea babies want for future . . . for our Nation to become known as the people of the lie?

July 23, 2011 at 12:18 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Is that a little smirk as Boehner sets down is Tea cup?

July 23, 2011 at 12:19 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "Big Ridge Patriot edits and twists"

No, I just pointed out your real intention and iBama's use of his bureaucracy to attack his opponents.

You tried to insulate iBama from the intent by putting an agency between him and the results. This is a typical strategy of a mob boss. The Chicago Way.

July 23, 2011 at 12:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... “for our Nation to become known as the people of the lie?”

I cannot remember the last time I heard iBama open his mouth and not lie. He is a dangerous Pied Piper who is leading an army of mindless parasites. Fortunately, he has overreached and many are coming out of their trance.

July 23, 2011 at 12:29 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot claims: "He is a dangerous Pied Piper who is leading an army of mindless parasites."

Sure, sure, BigRidgePatriot. And this guy? What's he doing for America?

The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." [Mitch McConnell (R-KY) - National Journal]

July 23, 2011 at 12:43 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "this guy? What's he doing for America?"

Trying to cure America of the disease that is the iBama presidency?

July 23, 2011 at 12:47 p.m.
limric said...

Here the thing, and it is a VERY simple thing.

The majority writing here are filled with frustration based anger, posit false analyses, strategies and counter-strategies which are all based upon a false premise.

The premise being that the Democrats and the Republicans represent two different agendas.

They do not.

In reality, this is all a game of posing in order to see how far they can push a corporate Government, AKA as Fascism. [new and improved of course]

Conservatives posting here believe that Republicans, of which the House is in majority, work in opposition to the Democrats.

The do not.

Progressives posting here believe that the Democrats, of whom Obama is typical, work in opposition to the Republicans.

They do not.

There is one political party in Washington and it is putting on a helluva masquerade to hide its true nature.

July 23, 2011 at 12:47 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Case in point. Obama views us gun owners as opponents. He feels compelled to enact draconian gun control measures. So, what does he do?

He sends his Justice Department and the ATF out to manufacture evidence that the Mexican drug cartels are getting their guns from American gun dealers so he can have an excuse to propose new gun legislation. His soldiers actually encourage gun store owners to sell weapons to known criminals. Those guns end up involved in many crimes in both Mexico and the United States and were responsible for the death of a Border Control agent.

Like a Mob Boss, he has insulated himself from the crime with layers of soldiers. To this day, his machine is aggressively trying to protect the bosses from the scandal. We probably won't hear the truth for decades. This is the way, The Chicago Way, that a thug like iBama gets things done.

July 23, 2011 at 12:48 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... "The premise being that the Democrats and the Republicans represent two different agendas. They do not."

I think you are correct wrt some Republicans but clearly there is a group that has seen the light and the Tea Party has put pressure on the balance to at least pretend they are ready to become responsible stewards of our liberty and tax dollars.

The only thing that is motivating positive change in Washington right now is the Tea Party.

July 23, 2011 at 12:53 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

nooga said... "When someone kicks your door down and takes your food and kills your stupid a$$...you fn morons."

If the federal government balances its budget there will be murder in the streets?

The progressive mind at work for ya!

Pretty entertaining!

July 23, 2011 at 12:59 p.m.
inthemiddle said...

Well put limeric. The only trait they all possess is the ability to speak out both holes at once.

July 23, 2011 at 1:01 p.m.
limric said...

I agree with most of your 12:48 p.m. post with one caveat. Obama's Chicago crew doesn’t hold a candle to the Texas Mafia.

The ‘Fast and Furious’ fiasco baffles and infuriates me. What could possibly be the underlying intention? The dis-armament of citizens? This may be a strong possibility, otherwise, why would anyone want to be on the wrong side of lawful (by right) gun ownership? It doesn’t make sense.

I also sometimes laud the Tea Party for at least DOING SOMETHING, but by and large their priorities are horribly misplaced.

Ex: 1) If Tea Partiers were serious about a balanced budget they'd start by screaming about the military, which accounts for 54 per cent of discretionary spending-- and which hasn't done anything to defend the U.S. from a real enemy since 1945 .

2) The Department of Homeland Security - TSA, a vast new bureaucracy created by the Texas Mafia after 9/11 to make us cower before authority, should be eliminated.

That’s just two – but you get the picture.

July 23, 2011 at 1:15 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

THRASHING ABOUT

Poor BRP... really ticked off at trying to defend the indefensible with smoke and mirrors.

All you can say is, 'Oh yeah?', or, 'You don't know how much was on the table..'

Like you do. All you know is that both Cantor and Boehner said NO! We don't want to cut spending! We don't we stop giving tax payer money to oil companies. We don't want hedge fund managers to pay more than 15% on their $2,900,000 salary.

Even republicans were telling tea baggers to take the deal, but those babies would never agree with Obama or dare to make Grover Norquist angry. Suck it, moron.

I am delighted to see you so angry you're about to pop an aneurysm!

July 23, 2011 at 1:23 p.m.

BRP writes "Obama views us gun owners as opponents..."

BEfore it is too late for you, and the UN and Obama taking away your beloved guns, what about doing your God a little favor, going out and shoot around in your conservative neighborhood...

Nothing would serve the US (and rest of the world) better than "conservative on conservative crimes". At least the average IQ would get an immediate bump...

July 23, 2011 at 1:23 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Limric

Amen brother! None of them can be trusted and need to be constantly monitored and held accountable. The Democrats have raised lack of accountability to unheard of levels!

I think many Tea Partiers are ready to see a scaling back of defense spending. This would be easy to do without losing strength if we stopped trying to project power all around the world.

Just think of what it would do to Europe and the example that progressives continually want to emulate if they actually had to pay for their own national security instead of hiding under our skirt! There would be no socialist models for progressives to envy because they simply could not afford to exist.

July 23, 2011 at 1:26 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

austrian_in_alabama said... "...the UN and Obama taking away your beloved guns"

NO!!! Do you mean to tell me that iBama LIED? Do you mean to tell me that iBama wants to take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens of the United States? I swear, he has said on several occasions that he would not do such a thing! He would not follow the example of the fascists and confiscate firearms from citizens so they could not defend themselves from oppression! Would he?

moutainlaurel! Did you catch this? AiA is saying iBama is a liar!

July 23, 2011 at 1:32 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

BW,

Just kicking back cartooning on the mindless parasites!

(that does not include limric!)

BuRP!

July 23, 2011 at 1:34 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Lil Hump Moron?

That is pretty darn creative! I think you might have hurt my feelings! (Big Grin)

BuRP!

July 23, 2011 at 1:42 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Clearly it has been too long since anyone pointed out that Clay Bennett is The Wart on the face of Chattanooga. He is just one more mindless progressive parasite trying to make a living using class envy.

The Chattanooga Times Free Press should cut their losses and get rid of the bum!

July 23, 2011 at 1:49 p.m.
fairmon said...

nooga said... "When someone kicks your door down and takes your food and kills your stupid a$$...you fn morons."

Does that mean you only donate to charity and won't help people unless the government forces you to? I can't keep them from kicking the door and maybe even kicking it in. But I can break them from the habit and I am prepared to do that. I won't call 911 until I know they realize they picked the wrong door and bleed out. My only regret will be having to pay the home owner deductible for repairs and cleaning.

Grid lock may be the best thing we can have. Local citizens, local governments, churches and state governments may have to step up and do what they should be doing instead of abdicating to the federal government. State and local governments all want grants and will do anything and compromise anything to get them. Businesses all spend a lot of time seeking subsidies, grants and tax breaks.

I would like to see all businesses pay 17% tax on all profits without exception. No subsidies, grants and other loop holes some use and others don't have. Hedge fund managers income should be treated as regular income instead of capital gains. All profits on stock investments should be treated as regular income instead of capital gains. Congress don't want that, too many have big positions in some of the companies they show favor.

July 23, 2011 at 1:55 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

austrian_in_alabama,

What happened to the Autobahn? It seems like drivers in Germany have lost a great deal of discipline over the last (15?) years. It is still much better than the US, but drivers now obstruct the left lane and you really need to worry about someone pulling out in front of you!

July 23, 2011 at 1:58 p.m.

austrian_in_alabama said...

"BEfore it is too late for you, and the UN and Obama taking away your beloved guns, what about doing your God a little favor, going out and shoot around in your conservative neighborhood... Nothing would serve the US (and rest of the world) better than "conservative on conservative crimes". At least the average IQ would get an immediate bump..."

Again with the violence. Why is this always your final solution, AIA? It would seem that people with respectable IQs could agree to disagree with wishing violent deaths on their opponents. Must be something in the water.

July 23, 2011 at 2:04 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

DOUBLE AGENT

Obviously TFP and/or Clay is paying BRP by the word today, but the ferocity of your rants has slowed to a trickle. Just like your economic theory.

Your boys got smoked. They thought they could win both the political battle AND the PR war by staking out a position of YES to cutting social security, medicare, and medicare, and NO to any financial inconvenience to millionaires and oil companies. None.

Keep thrashing, moron. This is highly entertaining, but not up to Limric's 'Leave It To Beaver' parody.

But honestly, I guess you're posts are funnier because you're not trying to be.

Please sir, may we have another?

July 23, 2011 at 2:05 p.m.
fairmon said...

Neither party seems ready to share the details of how they plan to increase demand for American produced goods and services which is the only thing that will create jobs. Why should any business, large or small increase capacity in the U.S. if the demand for their products doesn't justify it. Which party is addressing that issue?

Stimulus checks helped economies in China, Mexico, Brazil, India and others more than the U.S. How many people used it to buy American made products. The only U.S. benefit were the retailers selling imports.Some paid credit cards then bought imports on their card.

Attacking or defending either party suggest that person is a party parrot.

July 23, 2011 at 2:07 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

harp,

Please do not fall into the taxing business trap. Taxing business only increases the cost of goods and services and results in a regressive tax on individuals.

Part of the reason that imported goods are cheap is because they are often exempt from taxes in the country of origination. American goods, on the other hand, carry the full burden of FICA and corporate taxes and are put at a disadvantage as a result.

The FairTax would eliminate the taxation on business and create a level taxation playing field for imported and domestic goods. It would also improve competitiveness of exported US made goods.

Jobs Galore!

July 23, 2011 at 2:11 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Blackwater48 said: "Poor BRP... trying to defend the indefensible with smoke and mirrors."

Well, Blackwater48, since the Republican Party has finally gone stark raving mad, I guess BigRidgePatriot figures he has no other choice.

July 23, 2011 at 2:20 p.m.
limric said...

One last quip,

According to one of my hero’s, Frank Zappa, “politics is the entertainment branch of industry.”

How do we rid ourselves of these smiling marionettes? I'd suggest starting with crushing the media sources that cast the lies into the civic pond.

If a politician told a lie in the woods and no one was there to hear it .....

July 23, 2011 at 2:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

whats_wrong_with_the_world said... "Again with the violence."

This is a pretty common feature of the mindless parasite. They warn of possible violence from the peace loving Tea Party when it is in fact the progressives that have violent tendancies.

Distract, lie, dodge, attack, steal... How do they live with themselves?

July 23, 2011 at 2:21 p.m.
fairmon said...

Example of why U.S. employment isn't higher and why wealth is leaving the U.S. in the billions. The wealthy buy Mercedes, BMW's, Volvo's and other high end imports. Many of those with lower incomes buy Toyota's, Honda's. Nissan's, Kias etc. etc. I drive a Lincoln with a lot of imported parts but made in the U.S.

The result of whatever the elected elite come up with will not be pretty. The problem many in congress have with defaulting is the discovery of how many departments and activities we can do without with no real harm to citizens. Who would be harmed if national parks had to be self sufficient? What has really improved since Carter established the federal department of education? How large does the energy department really need to be? How many contractors does the military really need? What American citizen is harmed if we don't spread foreign aid around the world? Why are those countries we maintain bases in and defend not reimbursing us at cost? How damaging is it if some don't get free cell phones and cell phone time? How damaging is it if those getting winterization remodeling with new windows, doors, insulation, appliances plus H&V free don't get that perk? There is sufficient monthly revenue to meet all social security obligations, pay interest on the debt, pay medicare bills, pay and supply the military and veterans with about 30 billion left over requiring some prioritizing. Not much vote buying and voter pandering left with that amount.

July 23, 2011 at 2:32 p.m.
fairmon said...

BRP,

I agree on the fair tax. But, 17% would be better than the 20% some CEOs propose. ~8.25% of that is the matching FICA from the business.

July 23, 2011 at 2:37 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

THE GIG IS UP

blackwater48 said... “Obviously TFP and/or Clay is paying BRP by the word today”

BW caught me antagonizing Clay’s minions so that the TFP would get lots of hits and increase their advertising dollars!

The progressive mind STRIKES AGAIN!

Note to TFP advertisers! People that come to Clay’s page have no interest in you or your products and only come here to see the routine crap generated by Bennett and how his drones react to provocation. I, for one, make a conscious effort not to patronize those who advertise in the TFP.

July 23, 2011 at 2:39 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

BREAKING NEWS

Tea baggers have opened a new front on their war against the middle class. Senate Democrats voted down a Tea Bagger Bill to fund the FAA which included provisions to strip away union rights. The stalemate resulted in a partial FAA shutdown and 4,000 airline workers being furloughed at midnight.

Remember the GOP mantra: JOBS! JOBS! JOBS!

I guess we missed the fine print: (We're going to cut) JOBS! (We're going to cut) JOBS! (We're going to cut) JOBS!

FAA officials tried to reassure the public that the partial shutdown would not affect their efficiency. Planes will continue slamming into one another, and really, how can air travel get any worse?

Congratulations, tea baggers! Your time is running out, so keep attacking after every working class stiff you can think of. There is a political tsunami brewing that’s going to hit the GOP in November of 2012.

And I will definitely have my popcorn ready election night.

July 23, 2011 at 2:39 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

BREAKING NEWS

Senate Democrats opened a new war against the middle class by voting down a bill to fund the FAA which included provisions to strip away union "rights".

Although even FDR recognized that government employees should not be allowed to collectively bargain the Democrats continue to sacrifice constituent jobs for their collectivist agenda!

Way to go comrades!

July 23, 2011 at 2:44 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

YOU'RE NOT THAT GOOD

BRP wrote, BW caught me antagonizing Clay’s minions.

You're not that good. You get all worked up and most people here are just mocking you to your face. Turn around and they'll mock you behind your back, too.

Comic relief, pal. You're funny like somebody walking into a glass door. Like somebody stepping a rake. Like somebody dumping a scalding cup of Tea in his lap.

You're just a number. You're one of the faithful readers who absorb advertising messages either knowingly or unknowingly. It doesn't matter.

Every day you post on this site you're stuffing money into Clay's bank account.

Now don't you feel all warm and fuzzy?

July 23, 2011 at 2:50 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I am glad you are enjoying yourself BW! I often worry about a parasites ability to live with themselves but apparently my concerns are unfounded! Go Comrade!

July 23, 2011 at 2:55 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

P.S. You might want to tell Clay to send me my pink slip. If I am not getting under your skin I am not doing my job!

July 23, 2011 at 2:57 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

RECALL

BRP wrote, Democrats continue to sacrifice constituent jobs for their collectivist agenda!

That's how pin head republicans see it, but ask the people of Wisconsin how they felt about tea baggers attacking union workers. Or the good people of Ohio. In fact, 60% of Americans have a favorable opinion of public sector unions, you fascists half wit.

You can dress it up in red clothing if you like, but lowing tax rates for millionaires while you try to outlaw the minimum wage and legalize child labor is not an agenda. It's political suicide, morally abhorrent, and yet ideologically pure.

Tea baggers pass a House bill to partially fund the FAA with a provision that strips away union rights. Senate Democrats refuse to go along, the funding run outs, and 4,000 employees are laid off. Granted, you succeeded in pushing up unemployment numbers. Hooray for republicans! But it's bad for America, doesn't help the deficit - although you've already shown that austerity was never on your radar - but the Koch brothers love, love, love it!

The air must be might thin up on that ridge.

July 23, 2011 at 3:04 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"pin heads? tea baggers? fascists half wit?"

I thought I was supposed to be the "angry" one! I can feel the steam coming off Tampa Bay from here!

Maybe if you would lift your arguments up out of the sewer somebody might take you serious Mr. "Black Water"!

July 23, 2011 at 3:11 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

blackwater48 said... "but ask the people of Wisconsin how they felt"

Got that covered mr. blackwater. I grew up in Wisconsin and my friends there keep me updated. Outside the Socialist Republic of Madison there are lots of people who love Scott Walker and what he is doing to rescue the state from socialist oppression.

July 23, 2011 at 3:18 p.m.
rolando said...

BigRidge and SeaMonkey. You two are holding up our end of sanity and reason. Keep up the good work.

PS: Great Spenditol link up there.

And yes, iBama tried to link his gunrunning to Mexico with gun dealers selling to criminals. As with all such doings, it was beyond his ability...he blew it...it came back to bite him and his "soldiers". [Great term for his team.]

July 23, 2011 at 3:31 p.m.
SavartiTN said...

I think that today's politicians suffer from what my generation calls being too thin skinned. Everybody's feelings get hurt. Everybody has been insulted. Everybody thinks everybody else should exhibit political correctness or they cry foul. They all run away from the room with tears in their eyes. Throw down their toys and go home.

The only way to solve this problem of the rich boys playing grownup in Washington is to have a massive write in election campaign movement. Find the people who really do represent the other 98%. Get them elected.

BRP, I cannot even fathom that you would defend these spoiled brats who are absolutely ruining this country. I cannot even imagine that you are better off today than you were 10 years ago.

Evidently, the objective with today's politicians is to wipe out all American citizens making less than a million dollars per year and make this country a rich man's playground.

July 23, 2011 at 3:50 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The Tea Party is running the country? They have the ear of a party that only controls one house in Congress.

Apparently, some citizens having the ear of one house of Congress are more powerful than the President and the Senate! Do Democrats need both houses, the Presidency AND the Supreme Court before they can rule whereas the Tea Party can run the country without even being a real party?

No wonder Bachman and Palin scare you people so much. They must have more power in their little finger than iBama has his entire body! It looks like iBama’s weakness is rubbing off on Clay’s minions. What would you do if Bauchman became President? Crawl into a hole and cry for 8 years? I guess we better start warming your bottles up for you!

July 23, 2011 at 4:15 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

You know, If the Democrat' Party had just passed a budget when they still had absolute power they would not have to be licking Boehner's feet right now.

Who is do nothing Party of NO now?!

Losers, all of them. Just like their cheerleader Clay Bennett, The Loser Wart of Chattanooga.

July 23, 2011 at 4:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

SavartiTN said... "I cannot even imagine that you are better off today than you were 10 years ago"

Actually, I am, but no one in Washington gets credit for that.

On the other hand, I am prepared to go through a tough recovery that will be the consequence of decades of reckless bipartisan spending.

It is imperative that the spending habits of the federal government be reformed. Anyone who cannot see that is either not paying any attention or is blinded by a desire to protect the socialist "gains" made while iBama had both houses in his back pocket.

July 23, 2011 at 4:28 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Many Democrats are angry with iBama's behavior during the debt ceiling negotiations?

Are even Democrats coming to their senses?

July 23, 2011 at 4:36 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Steve Benen at Washington Monthly reports on something rather odd that appeared on John Boehner’s Twitter feed last night. It suggests that Boehner is making up crap as he goes along in these meetings. . . hoping the public doesn't notice. Anyway, Benen writes:

“House Speaker John Boehner’s Twitter feed was full of chest-thumping posturing last night, with the Ohio Republican whining about “tax increases” and refusing to compromise. It’s not exactly constructive rhetoric. But there was one item that stood out.

Debt limit exists to force Washington to rein in spending, deal with these tough issues. If @WhiteHouse won’t, we will.

Wait, the Speaker of the House thinks the debt ceiling “exists to force Washington to rein in spending”? Since when? . . . this is more than a little bizarre. In 2002, John Boehner voted to raise the debt limit in a clean bill, with no preconditions, with no attempts to rein in spending, and with no effort to “deal with these tough issues.” In 2003, he did the same thing. And then again in 2004, 2006, and 2007.

Indeed, has Congress ever understood the purpose of the law the way Boehner does? Since 1939, Congress has raised the debt limit 89 times. The issue has come up 89 times. . . in 89 instances, Congress passed a clean bill, and policymakers never saw this as part of a process to “force Washington to rein in spending.”

It’s almost as if the House Speaker is just making up nonsense as he goes along, hoping the public won’t know the difference."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/boehner_flubs_the_existence_of031050.php

July 23, 2011 at 4:48 p.m.
fairmon said...

Why is there a debt limit? Didn't Clinton have a short duration shut down? The real question is WHY is a debt limit required to have the members of both parties act responsibly with the money they confiscate from people?

The problem many in congress have with defaulting is the discovery of how many departments and activities we can do without with no real harm to citizens. Who would be harmed if national parks had to be self sufficient? What has really improved since Carter established the federal department of education? How large does the energy department, another Carter gem, really need to be? How many contractors does the military really need? What American citizen is harmed if we don't spread foreign aid around the world? Why are those countries we maintain bases in and defend not reimbursing us at cost? How damaging is it if some don't get free cell phones and cell phone time? How damaging is it if those getting winterization remodeling with new windows, doors, insulation, appliances plus H&V free don't get that perk? There is sufficient monthly revenue to meet all social security obligations, pay interest on the debt, pay medicare bills, pay and supply the military and veterans with about 30 billion left over which would require some prioritizing. Not much vote buying and voter pandering left with that amount.

July 23, 2011 at 5:18 p.m.
fairmon said...

Republicans are not using the right 2012 election strategy. They should raise the limit by 2X and allow Obama Reid and Pelosi to pass every whim they propose. That is the only way voters will realize the adverse impact of current behavior. The results would be no democrat in office could find a vote by November of 2012.

I am loving the current situation. It is the best time for making money in the stock market. I hope the stock market takes a big drop next week so I can make another nice profit. If it doesn't I will use a tight stop loss and see where it goes next. Anyone have any idea how much less the dollar is worth than it was a few years ago? Guess why oil is so high? If you don't own any gold better think about it to protect against a further drop in the buying power of the dollar.

July 23, 2011 at 5:32 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

harp,

We might be too close to a real tipping point to let OPR have their way anymore. If there is any chance of stopping the collapse we may have to do it now. No more politics, just fix the problem.

July 23, 2011 at 5:58 p.m.
patriot1 said...

The toon depicts a wing of the Republican Party....but consider the alternative....The democrat party had a wing called the Dixiecrats and was the party of slavery, of Jim Crowe, of segregation. The party whose members included, in modern times, the likes of Robert Byrd (KKK member), Lester Maddox, Bull Connor, George Wallace to name a few...So I'll have my tea by any means as long as it's not kool-aid from the opposition pary.

July 23, 2011 at 6:10 p.m.
rick1 said...

BRP, you will find this article very interesting in regards to the Fast and Furious (Gunrunner Program) But as we said before the MSM will ignore this story even though it is much worse than Watergate ever was.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/worse-than-gunwalker-state-dept-allegedly-sold-guns-to-zetas/

July 23, 2011 at 6:42 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

rick1,

Thanks for the article. It just keeps getting worse!

The constant storm of illegal, semi illegal, immoral activity under this administration is overwhelming. iBama will go down in history as the worst president the US has ever endured!

July 23, 2011 at 6:57 p.m.
timbo said...

Wow,...it's been really entertaining today . I've said here many times this is just a kabuki dance . there is no choice between 2 evils ,both the democrats and republicans are just playing good cop bad cop . both are progressives ,both have spent astronomical amounts of money lied through t heir teeth .
there will be a deal by monday or tuesday and they will both sale out . personally I hope washington spend money like crazy . it will give me more time to prepare prepare 4 economic armageddon . we can't be saved but either side because it has gone too far . it's every man 4 himself now .

July 23, 2011 at 7:48 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

We can't afford the grownup spending, so the tea babies are our best chance. Go Michelle Bachmann! Go Herman Cain! (Anyone against Bachmann is sexist and anyone again Cain is racist. Right?)

Since spending is out of control, how is raising the debt limit a solution? If your credit cards are maxed out, you need a new lifestyle, not a new credit limit.

Most of us vote "No" on welfare for Presidential candidates. If they let us the people vote on other spending (NPR, Planned Parenthood, Dept of Energy) I bet we could find things to cut, especialy if we could keep some of what we save.

July 23, 2011 at 8:21 p.m.
hambone said...

BRP, You need to look back and think about what you have become. You are letting Clay Bennett and his cartoon consume your whole life.

THAT"S SICK!

July 23, 2011 at 8:31 p.m.
alprova said...

Brp wrote: " If I am not getting under your skin I am not doing my job!"

You Sir, are a legend in your own mind.

July 23, 2011 at 9:31 p.m.
fairmon said...

BRP we are at and would go over the tipping point. That may be what it takes for people wake up. Spend away libs but no tax, fees or other increases. Double the debt then come up with a plan to reduce it, save the dollar and regain the credit rating. Few have any idea what being the reserve currency and the credit rating means to them.

July 23, 2011 at 9:38 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "I, for one, make a conscious effort not to patronize those who advertise in the TFP."

After reading your posts and checking out your avatar, I'm betting that those who advertise in the TFP say a silent prayer of thanks that you don't patronize their establishments. No one likes a creep hanging around their businesses. And you are indeed a creep.

I'm betting that if the truth were known, and if you were asked to name so much as five advertisers in the TFP, that you couldn't name two of them off the top of your head.

July 23, 2011 at 9:42 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

HAVEN'T MISSED MUCH

Since I last posted I see Harp has no clue as what raising the debt ceiling means. It's not a budget. It's not a fiscal strategy. (p.s. It's to pay for stuff we already bought - like Medicare part D, a couple of optional wars, and free money for fat cats.)

Anyway, since amnesia is as vital to republicans as political theology, here's a quick refresher of where we are and how we got here.

Oh, you're welcome:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/reckless-republicans-risk_b_907852.html

July 23, 2011 at 9:45 p.m.
fairmon said...

bw,

There is still enough to pay for those things you referenced but those things we haven't yet bought may drop out. Is the problem that we don't have enough government intervention and programs. or, is it possible we have too much of both? I Wonder what would happen if all those brilliant minds employed by the government in some bureaucratic slot were in the private sector contributing instead of in a taking position? I fear I know what would happen to those that do not have any skills or capabilities they may be asking "you want fries and a drink with that?"

July 23, 2011 at 10:21 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Atlantic’s James Fallows says it may be time for President Obama to give a “This is Bullpucky” speech. He notes that Merrill Goozner has a Presidential Address ready to go. I read it and liked it. Merrill's Presidential address goes something like this:

*“My fellow Americans. It is my sad duty to report that the House of Representatives, having voted over many years to establish this vast enterprise we call the federal government. . . has under its new leadership decided not to pay for the programs it voted to create. I now must carry out my constitutional duties, which are twofold. I must honor the commitment that the United States government has made to millions of lenders here at home and abroad. And, I must carry out the programs that Congress has voted to create.

“Unfortunately, Congress’ failure to raise the debt ceiling means there is insufficient money to do both. Therefore, I must do the best I can with the resources at hand, while not violating the constitution.

“. . . next week, I have ordered the Social Security Administration to honor all commitments to the nation’s retirees. Over $2 trillion of the debts owed by the government are owed to the nation’s retirement system. That means there is sufficient money available to pay all Social Security beneficiaries simply by taking the bonds in the trust fund and selling them to the general public.

“Unfortunately, this is the only part of the federal government that is fully funded. So to reduce expenditures to our current level of revenues, which only cover about 70 percent of what we spend, I am immediately ordering every cabinet secretary to draw up a list of essential services. We will fund those first. . .

“. . . starting next Monday, the government will no longer be able to inspect all the imported food that enters this country. We will also be laying off a sufficient number of air traffic controllers to bring that budget into balance. . . All student loans will stop. We will stop inspecting manufacturers of drugs . . . since most of the Food and Drug Administration’s revenue comes from user fees that can only be used for approving new drugs and devices.”

“This House of Representatives has chosen a path that puts it radically at odds with every Congress of the past 100 years, whether it was led by Democrats or Republicans, no matter which party sat in the White House. . . It is the path of that marries rabid partisanship with economic know-nothingism. It is the path of nihilism. It is a false path, yet it has brought us to the current impasse."*

http://gooznews.com/?p=3050

July 23, 2011 at 10:27 p.m.
jimbob said...

9 of the 10 voices in my head told me to stay home and clean my guns today.

July 24, 2011 at 7:37 a.m.
tderng said...

hmmm. no Sunday cartoon?clay back on vacation?

July 24, 2011 at 9:31 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Since Clay is back in coast mode...

http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2011/07/22/89994

More relevant and funny than 10 Clay Bennett cartoons! I hope someone else has not already shared...

July 24, 2011 at 9:34 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Who do you have to be to get a pass from the media...

http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2011/07/24/angry_gays_f-bombs,_glitterbombs,_phlegm_phones__death_wishes

The behavior speaks for itself.

July 24, 2011 at 9:41 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

hmmm. no Sunday cartoon?clay back on vacation?

Actually, it's the website that is not updated. Clay has a Sunday cartoon in the print edition.

So quick to criticize, some of you.

July 24, 2011 at 9:41 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

obama is heading back to college campuses again......back to the friendly confines of academia.

coward....sissy.

doesn't it just make you libs' blood boil knowing you had your golden boy at the helm and absolute domination of both houses and you still couldn't get it done.

you know what you libs just don't understand, what you can't get through all that concrete in between your ears? real americans don't like a boot on ther neck. there are still enough real americans around who won't take it. the tea party represents them.

the tea party is not republican or democrat. boy, you really, really hate that.

obama is the most lawless man we've had in the white house...but you libs are willing to overlook anything in order to have someone in there who will stop at nothing to confiscate more from citizens. you libs, like your euro-trash, socialist counterparts, have no problem with a statist putting the boot on the neck of those you don't agree with.

the government, thanks to democrats mostly, and spineless republicans, have spent us into debt. any denying of that speaks to you libs' stupidy and thuggish tendencies.

tim geithner, who has the same agenda and idealolgy as obama, said that small businesses need to be taxed more in order to get rid of the debt. obama and geithner also share some other things, like no actual work history.

obama is a dangerous man...and you libs' are even scarier for thinking, even at this point, that he's looking out for anyone other than himself...and has any answers.

July 24, 2011 at 10 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Who is Hatin' Herman trashing today SeaMonkey? Raisin' Cain with the Buddhists? Your mean spirited posts have even less meaning when one knows you fell for that claptrap.

July 24, 2011 at 10:16 a.m.

ROLANDO wrote "BigRidge and SeaMonkey. You two are holding up our end of sanity and reason. Keep up the good work."

This is almost funny ... I guess you meant "savage and treason..."

With similar reasoning you deduce that Jesus would carry a gun and support the rich and greedy and take away the health care from the poor, and that the earth is 6000 years old ...

and deep in your heart you are still convinced that the earth runs around the sun... all evidence pointing at the contrary was just a deception of god like the skeletons of the dinosours were planted to test the loyalty to the cruel and greedy god...

July 24, 2011 at 10:56 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Do you lefties have any thoughts rattling around in those heads of yours? I am seeing a great deal of attacks on other posters and name calling but very little actual evidence of contributions.

Fairly typical. When a third rate cartoonist like Clay Bennett is your intellectual leader I guess we should not expect much now should we!

July 24, 2011 at 11:49 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

ilkeithlu, you pay for this stuff?

July 24, 2011 at 11:50 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel (cut & pasted)... “This House of Representatives has chosen a path that puts it radically at odds with every Congress of the past 100 years, whether it was led by Democrats or Republicans, no matter which party sat in the White House"

AMEN! What has been going on for the last 100 years has been the shredding of the Constitution and destruction of fiscal responsibility! If this House of Representatives is reversing that course we should all be supporting them. The problem is that we cannot be sure they are truly converted and are not just doing another political dance.

July 24, 2011 at 11:56 a.m.
hambone said...

143 posts to this cartoon. 47 of them from one person. It's hard to see how someone can have such a dull life.

That is just SICK !

July 24, 2011 at 12:28 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "AMEN! What has been going on for the last 100 years has been the shredding of the Constitution and destruction of fiscal responsibility."

Still doing a lousy job of cutting and pasting I see. No, BigRidgePatriot, the truth is I think the Republican House of Representatives have gone stark raving mad. Indeed, their extremist mentality is such that the only group that I could possibly compare them with would be the Middle East's Taliban - I understand this group is also really fond of guns etc.

July 24, 2011 at 12:30 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Yeah mountainlaurel, in the mind of a progressive, the Constitution and having a balanced budget are both extreme!

Admit it, you are misrepresenting the current House of Representatives as extreme because you think you have a "right" to the promises of socialism and you put getting your hands on the fruits of other people's labor before fiscal sanity and liberty.

You people kill me! At least admit what you are advocating for and quit trying to demonize the opposing side. You are acting like a child. Should I make a bottle for you too?

July 24, 2011 at 12:57 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

CALLING DR. FREUD

Congrats, BRP. You must be making a bundle on this cartoon. What are you up to now? 50 posts? And you're being paid how much per word? You go, girl!

You people kill me! At least admit what you are advocating for and quit trying to demonize the opposing side. You are acting like a child. Should I make a bottle for you too?

Mr. Kettle, say hello to Mr. Black, but it isn't rationalizing why Tea Baggers protect and defend millionaires while they ridicule and screw the poor.

Only the truly psychotic can miss the distinction between a 'spending cut' and a 'tax increase.'

July 24, 2011 at 1:28 p.m.
potcat said...

A Freaking Men Blackwater

July 24, 2011 at 1:33 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

exactly right , bigridge..spot on.

when obama and liberals control congress it's perfectly fine, when non-democrats control it suddenly becomes extreme.

i read that obama is out of the discussions now. pelosi, reid, mcconnel and boehner are now in discussions....and reid stormed out. pelosi then left to dry his tears. my gosh! could you libs look any worse?

you know why obama is out of it now? because he's a moron...he's a leftist parrot.....obama wants a tax increase!..obama wants a tax increase!..obama wants a tax increase!

he actually wants congress to agree to get rid of the bush's lower tax rates, which you libs call tax cuts.....he's tried to convince them that they wouldn't be breaking their pledge if they allowed the tax rates to lapse, because it wouldn't actually be a tax increase.........what a blithering idiot.

obama is a complete fool..with no skills at all.........

two men, he and geithner....both of whom have never really worked, want to raise taxes on small businesses...

mountainlaurel.......you leftists are cracking under the strain of seeing your "best"...melting under pressure.........

congress is like the taliban? fool..........hypocrite...

that's funny given obama likes to pal around with them.

obama is the extremist....and quite transparent. you thought you could keep it from the electorate. very arrogant of you libs.

where were you feminist lefties when bill maher and his guest discussed how they would sexually ravage michelle bachman and sarah palin? did you come to their defense...or do you think that's what they deserve for having the audacity to be conservatives?

July 24, 2011 at 1:34 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

BW and potcat. You are not making any sense. Do you want to try again?

Reasonable people see the danger in a society that accepts income redistribution as a primary goal of government. Most that call themselves part of the Tea Party share this common sense position.

I would submit that those who advocate for income redistribution and then try to hide their intent in word games are the extremists. If you were proud of your ideology you would not mince words and try to hide behind class envy and mislabeling of your targets as millionaires and billionaires.

Are you mature enough to admit your intent and stop hiding behind words? I’ve already got a bottle prepared for potcat and blackwater. Anyone else need some formula?

July 24, 2011 at 2 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

do you libs really expect obumble to be able to lead in any kind of discussion, or take the lead in anything that involves a complex solution to such a massive problem? you gotta be kidding!

he has no skills, no resume and only has experience as a shakedown artist with acorn. he was elected to office and was absent most of the time. he doesn't have the patience to solve anything. he thinks the democratic process and our system of checks and balances should be suspended for him. he's awful.

his staff and democrat legislators are responsible for any of the legislation writen and passed...he had no hand in writing anything, or even read it. it's hard to read while you're playing golf or ramming a chilli dog down your throat.

he's out of touch, incompetant, ignorant and delegtes responsibilities for almost everything because he has no skills..... everything except when it comes to lifting food to his mouth, swinging a golf club and wiping his bottom.

the reason he storms out of meetings is because he doesn't understand what the hell is being discussed and doesn't want to embarass himself.

what an absolute joke.

it's tough being a shakedown artist when you're dealing from a position of weakness......what a clunker.

his only real skill is reading a teleprompter during a speech....that's it!

July 24, 2011 at 2:17 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

LOVE YOUR BUMPER STICKER

Redistribution of wealth, BRP, a classic. Reminds me of Nixon and McCarthy, but your 'red scare' seems a little thin.

How about if I show you very simply and very directly examples of some wasteful spending programs that should be looked at before we begin to slash Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid.

$500 billion over the next five years for people to buy a house they would have bought anyway. If you buy a more expensive house you get even more money.

$20 billion over the next three years to employers who subsidize their workers’ transportation cost.

$200 billion a year to people who make charitable contributions. Like my late mother-in-law always said, ‘If I did that it wouldn’t be charity, would it?’

$700 billion to employers who offer workers health care insurance.

Republicans, bless their black little hearts, would not see ending these frivolous programs as spending cuts. Oh no, dear friends. If the government were to eliminate THOSE entitlement programs, republicans would see that as raising YOUR taxes!

All of those programs are found in the tax code under ‘Tax Expenditures’ and therefore sacrosanct and afforded full Grover Norquist protection that republicans are too frightened to challenge.

Here’s how we could save some more money over the next ten years: Allow the Bush tax cuts on incomes over $250 k to expire. Savings: $700 billion.

Extend from five to seven years the length of time corporations deduct the cost of their private jets, just like commercial airlines. Savings: $2 billion.

Eliminate oil and gas credits. Savings: 41 billion.

Tax the earnings by managers of hedge funds and private equity companies as regular income instead of capital gains. Savings: $21 billion.

House republicans will not discuss cutting taxes, only spending cuts, but It all comes down to definition and who exactly receives the benefits.

Do you have any arguments for sending the government into default that don't fit on a bumper sticker?

July 24, 2011 at 2:33 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I just finished listening to both Geitner and Boehner in interviews about the debt negotiations. Guess who sounded like a baby. It was not Boehner.

July 24, 2011 at 2:36 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

BW,

I have offered ideas in the past. Do I have to regurgitate them for you again now? Don't you think I have contributed enough to this lame a$$ cartoon?

ONE: Eliminate the Department of Energy and all energy subsidies. The DoE never generated on kW of energy and has, in fact, blocked responsible domestic energy production.

Your turn.

July 24, 2011 at 3:11 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

ONE MORE TIME

DeathValleyFasicist, do you have any arguments for sending the government into default that don't fit on a bumper sticker?

Do you have any examples of tax cuts REDUCING the federal deficit?

Do you have examples of nations cutting their way to prosperity?

Eliminating the DOE would never pass. Oil companies are more sacred in the House than cows in India.

But thanks for agreeing with me. There might be some hope for you yet.

July 24, 2011 at 4:05 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

One more time? One more what, another exercise in creative name calling?

I did not put any real time into answering your one question so we could see if you were serious. As I thought, you answer my tentative reply with a flat rejection and a flurry of additional questions. You are not interested in a dialogue but only being argumentative.

Typical. Let me know if you ever want to have a real discussion about the debt problem mister "murky water".

July 24, 2011 at 4:23 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

DVF wrote, Don't you think I have contributed enough to this lame a$$ cartoon?

You think quantity equals quality?

July 24, 2011 at 4:24 p.m.
rolando said...

The Austrian ranted, "With similar reasoning you deduce that Jesus would carry a gun and support the rich and greedy and take away the health care from the poor, and that the earth is 6000 years old .."

First, JackBooted Austrian, guns weren't around in those days but whips made of cord were...He used those to drive the "rich and greedy" of those days -- the money changers and animal sellers -- from Herod's Temple.

He also said, "The poor we will always have with us" in reference to a complaint that expensive oils were used to anoint His feet instead of helping the poor...I think it was Judas Iscariot who complained...a bit strange until you realize what he did for money.

Finally, your reference to the age of the Earth completely depends on your definition of how long a "year" was in those times. [Sincere apologies to lkeithlu. I am not trying to re-start past disagreements...]

You might want to bone up on your Bible before you make those outlandish claims. You don't even know what I do or do not believe.

July 24, 2011 at 6:11 p.m.
fairmon said...

BW48,

The reductions you advocate in your 2:33 pm post are valid in addition to collecting the 1 billion taxes owed by government employees except:

$200 billion a year to people who make charitable contributions. Like my late mother-in-law always said, ‘If I did that it wouldn't be charity, would it?’

RE: It is still charity but directed to a more deserving cause that will utilize it much more efficiently than a bloated government. I would propose all charitable contributions to qualifying charities be a tax REDUCTION vs. DEDUCTION of taxes due. Get the government out of the welfare business and their ridiculous administrative cost which if done right is around 40%. Food stamps, HUD, telephone time, winterization etc etc. the list is looong. NOTE: social security and medicare are not welfare.

Extend from five to seven years the length of time corporations deduct the cost of their private jets, just like commercial airlines. Savings: $2 billion.

Re: This was a democratic congress proposal to boost the sale of planes and create jobs. It worked about like cash for clunkers, it only changed when the purchase was made, no increase over time. The savings are zero but expanding depreciation time increases taxes now but reduces them later for a net revenue increase over time of zero.

Here’s how we could save some more money over the next ten years: Allow the Bush tax cuts on incomes over $250 k to expire. Savings: $700 billion.

RE: Why not allow all of them to elapse? Everyone affected go back to where they were before Bush proposed them?

The social security ponzi scheme is solvent and will be for 20 years. The nerve to raise the wage cap and gradually adjust eligibility to actuarial tables and it stays good.

Medicare requires a lot of unpopular work and decisions. Claims are about 40% more than revenue. Raise the tax cap and rate and premiums for participants. Beyond that damned if I know but apparently no genius in congress or those posting here does either. It isn't possible to get elected or hold office and address this issue.

July 24, 2011 at 6:20 p.m.
fairmon said...

BW48

Would you agree a responsible congress would not have to be restrained by a debt limit? The current dilemma didn't just happen and has been accumulating for decades. It has not been more one party than the other, they just spend on different frivilous,vote buying, favor showing ways.

Which party will stand up and insist any expenditure not creating American jobs or that is not essential to defend the health and safety of citizens of this country, which can be done for much less, will end and pick the end date.

July 24, 2011 at 6:36 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Gold is on a vertical track right now. I wonder if that means the Asian markets are going to tank.

July 24, 2011 at 6:41 p.m.
potcat said...

Gold- Versus- People, yeah big, you are on the right track,keep digging that money is worth more than human beings BS, and do it it GODS name too, you piece of sh.. LIAR.

July 24, 2011 at 7:04 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Sounds like you need a chill pill potcat!

July 24, 2011 at 7:08 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

how does it help anyone in this economy to let bushs' lower tax rates elapse? it doesn't and there's no evidence to show that it will help anyone. the lower tax rates helps anyone who works.

unemployment is much higher than what's being reported...many have given up. the underemploy- ment rate is huge......bad idea to increase taxes. because if you let the lower tax rates expire you are raising taxes.

why is $250 k the limit? just because a small business makes slightly over that or maybe more doesn't mean they're rolling in the green. that's why it's dangerous to have dumb asses like obama and geithner in charge of anything because they've never worked or run a business..or care to find out.

this stupid obsession with corporate jets is ridiculous. as if it's a luxury and a waste....you need to leave that alone...especially at this time with the unemployment rate as it is. all the industries that revolve around the building and maintaining of corporate jets employ thousands of people. back off.

spending less is what's called for at this time...not taking more from employees, employers and small businesses.

the government can absorb spending less and cutting back better than the working people in this country can withstand taking less money home at this time.

July 24, 2011 at 7:15 p.m.
potcat said...

Really, what makes you think that? I am no diffrerent than always, you trying to imply something... Bring it ON, just because i have confided things on this thead, does not mean i will be confronted with, are you SOBER, i can i assure you i am, you sorry piece of MANURE.

July 24, 2011 at 7:18 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Interesting. What got you so riled up potcat?

July 24, 2011 at 7:29 p.m.
rolando said...

To simplify, the price of gold is a pretty good measure of the worth of one money in relation to that of another, potcat. As the US dollar price of gold goes up relative to China's tael, for instance, each dollar buys less of a of China's home-produced product imported to the US. And we import essentially everything...except food, so far. Its price is oil-dependent.

The price of gold has nothing to do with "gold vs people"...other than the devaluing of the US dollar always hits the poor the hardest...and that is just beginning. When we lose "reserve currency" status, oil will no longer be traded using the dollar as the basis...which helped stabilize its value.

Or something like that.

July 24, 2011 at 8:05 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

I CAN'T GET THROUGH TO HARP

Would you agree a responsible congress would not have to be restrained by a debt limit?

You still don't get the whole debt limit, money we already owe, nothing to with a fiscal plan or budget, do you. Turn off fox and google for answers.

It's all out there.

You just have to want to know. You do, however, sound qualified to run for the republican nomination for president.

Kudos!

July 24, 2011 at 8:20 p.m.
tderng said...

bw48...so what do you propose,comrade?

July 24, 2011 at 9:06 p.m.
fairmon said...

BW48

You are wrong the debt limit is not to cover money already spent. It is to continue spending at the same or an increased pace. Revenue is not sufficient to pay social security, medicaid, military, interest on the debt with under 50 billion remaining after those are paid. What have we already spent beyond those? I understand some departments will have to shut down or curtail operations if it is not increased but it has not yet been spent.

I didn't say don't cut out subsidies, grants, incentives nor did I say don't allow Bush's tax cuts elapse, all of them. I didn't say the debt ceiling shouldn't be increased. But, I do say and I do believe there has to be at least $3-4 dollars reduced spending and increased revenue for each dollar the debt ceiling is increased. There has to be a point where the trend is reversed. I don't see any evidence that Obama knows his ass from straight up about the real economy nor do I see any evidence that the other party does either. They are both campaigning.

Do you know what happens to this country when the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency. That happening is closer than anyone wants to believe or that politicians are willing to acknowledge.I have no problem supporting the young, the elderly, the disabled in a way that assures they have food, clothing, shelter and health care. I do object to many other unnecessary hand outs and the lack of initiative to truly increase employment opportunities in this country. The government cannot employee everybody, the government cannot support a majority of citizens. Each time they extract wealth they reduce demand and jobs.

It appears you and I may be at the same grid lock as congress is. That is no problem, in fact I hope you are right and we have nothing to be concerned about. I hope one of the parties, and I don't care which since I have no respect for either, discovers something that works.

July 24, 2011 at 9:28 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

TALKING TO BRICK WALLS

I was admonished by Harp with, You are wrong the debt limit is not to cover money already spent.

I didn't say that. I said we have to raise the debt ceiling to borrow money we already owe. We have run up astonishing debt since 2001 and the bills are due. The Bush tax cuts, two expensive wars, the unfunded Medicare Part D prescription drug plan - a huge boondoggle for drug companies - set us on the path to physical ruin.

Debating the merits of our current economic crisis is healthy. Defaulting on that debt is suicide.

July 24, 2011 at 11:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

BW48 said... You do, however, sound qualified to run for the republican nomination for president.

The big difference in Obama and I is that I recognize the job is too big for me, he has no clue he is in over his head so far he is drowning himself and the rest of us. He is about as qualified to be president as I am to be the pope. I would like to see someone like the CEO of Ford run and be elected. The problem is those qualified are too smart to get involved in politics. What is even more concerning is we elect people like Chuckie to congress, he is like a little pup running around looking for a fire hydrant. Check out Waters from California, now she is a piece of work. Or, the fine gentleman from Georgia that was worried about the island of Guam tipping over if more trips were stationed there the testifying General handled it well without laughing. We have had Weiner, now we have WU white people seem to forget Newt's and others inappropriate and in some cases criminal behavior.

July 24, 2011 at 11:31 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST?

Tderng thought and thought and thought some more, and finally came up with this blisteringly insightful and politically poignant post: bw48...so what do you propose,comrade?

I already targeted the elimination of 8 programs that would cut spending and raise revenue. I named which programs and how much tax money they were costing you and me.

For instance, our tax money is going to subsidize oil and gas companies. They are the most profitable corporations on earth and clear billions in quarterly profits. Are you comfortable with them getting billions more in tax credits every year? You don't mind chipping in for that? When oil was selling for $17 per barrel I could see the argument for subsidizing exploration, but that was years ago. Today, those tax subsidies are sacred (cash) cows.

Republicans are steadfastly refusing to hear any talk about 'RAISING TAXES' ON OIL COMPANIES.

REALLY??!!

Anyway, you don't like my ideas. Fair enough.

What do you suggest?

July 24, 2011 at 11:50 p.m.
fairmon said...

BW48 responded with..... I said we have to raise the debt ceiling to borrow money we already owe. We have run up astonishing debt since 2001 and the bills are due. The Bush tax cuts, two expensive wars, the unfunded Medicare Part D prescription drug plan - a huge boondoggle for drug companies - set us on the path to physical ruin.

BW48,

Check it out. Current monthly revenue is sufficient to pay for all of those. Would you rescind medicare part D or increase payroll taxes and participant premiums to continue it or just keep borrowing forty two cents of every dollar spent? Will the current trend not result in fiscal ruin? I agree three wars need to end ASAP and our military presence in other countries drastically reduced. There is no return on foreign aid, all of that needs to re reviewed and justified or eliminated. Is there any point in the future at which you would quit increasing the debt limit?

Talk about boondoggles, what about the department of education, the department of energy, the department of homeland security, the department of housing and urban renewal, you think prescriptions were a boondoggle just wait until AHCA )Obama Care) starts going into effect. Go to Thomas Library and read it.If you read it you will have done more to understand it than Obama and most members of congress. Why have so many exemptions been granted?

July 25, 2011 at 12:05 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

WE ARE IN THE SAME BOAT

Harp wrote, I hope you are right and we have nothing to be concerned about.

I wasn't trying to give that impression because I certainly do not believe that to be true. I just get ticked off by tea baggers who employ situational amnesia to attack the President, and politicians who believe we can just ignore the debt ceiling and everything will be peachy.

They are doing that for purely political reasons. They are counting on Obama raising the debt ceiling on his own, as Bill Clinton suggested, and use it against him in 2012 campaign ads. That's all this is about. It's political brinkmanship. It's just a game of chicken.

Congress already authorized the spending. Congress now has to authorize paying the bills, meaning, raising the debt limit. I don't think you and I are that far apart politically. Under Eisenhower and into the early '60s the tax rate on top income earners was 90%. Clinton set the top rate at 39%, and just about everyone did better. The rich got richer and the poor were able to work their way out of poverty.

But republicans oppose everything this President proposes. Everything. Obama is naive enough borrow their ideas to curry favor and gain their support.

But all they ever say is, No, no, no...

July 25, 2011 at 12:15 a.m.
fairmon said...

BW48

I have to agree the republicans are not acting responsibly either. You do know Obama doesn't have the authority to increase the debt limit unless he is temporarily given that authority by congress. I don't see the logic of McConnell's proposal to do that.

My preference would be abolish all tax loop holes, deductions, reductions etc. to increase revenue. Reduce spending and require that at least three cents of every dollar of revenue go toward debt reduction. Painful now instead of facing being a fatality later. The tax system is used by business and the wealthy to decrease the amount on which taxes are paid. The tax system doesn't help those below the nominal income level except those receiving earned income credit which should also be abolished.

July 25, 2011 at 7:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

The proposal to collect the one billion taxes owed by government employees is an eye opener. Makes one wonder if government employees owe that much how much do non-government people owe? How much was avoided by inaccurate returns like Geitner and Rangle were guilty of. Taxes not paid on unreported income or falsely claiming deductions, on black market income and illegal income is staggering. H.R. 25 would prevent that by taxing what is spent with zero taxes on income.

July 25, 2011 at 7:57 a.m.
chet123 said...

LET CONGRESS/SENATE TAKE A CUT IN PAY...OR HOLD THEIR PAY CHECK IF AGREEMENT IS NOT MET BETWEEN THE TWO PARTY LOL LOL ...AVG PAY 180,000 A YEAR WITH FREE HEALTH-CARE(SOCIALIZE HEALTH-CARE)...NOT TO MENTION PERKS AND FAT FAT FAT PENSIONS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES...Hmmmmmmm...THEY SHOULD CLEAN UP HOME FIRST.....

July 25, 2011 at 9:45 a.m.
miraweb said...

Harp,

McConnell is admitting that Congress is too tied up with corruption and special interests to do its job. In this case, not doing the job is a serious problem. His proposal allows the job to get done while Congress votes in the most convenient way for its donors, not how it needs to for the good of the country.

I'm guessing the slogan of the next campaign should be "Get To Work Or Go Home."

That BRP bot is pretty annoying, eh? Can't imagine a thinking person is putting out all that blather.

July 25, 2011 at 10:36 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Yeah Chet, and suspend all expenditures for the Whitehouse. Hold iBama's salary and that of all of his staff and Czars and the bureaucracies that report to them. Ground Air Force 1 and Marine 1! Turn off the phone, internet, gas and electricity to the Whitehouse. Fire Michelle's incredibly huge staff. Nothing good has come out of The Whitehouse in the last 2-1/2 years anyway! Keep the groundskeepers though; we don't need to hurt property values in the neighborhood.

And while we're at it, fire Clay Bennett and donate his salary to help pay off the debt.

July 25, 2011 at 10:37 a.m.
Clara said...

It was either BRP or the SeaMonkey that mentioned in the last cartoon that it was their job to spout out the inanities about Obama and the Democrats, (neg.) AND Republicans,(pos.)

Either one or both?

It could be both!

Are you working on Commision?

If so, from the amount and quality of the stuff you are handing out you must be earning loads of money.

Are you being taxed for it, or is it somehow hidden?

Just wondered!

POO

July 25, 2011 at 11:15 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Blackwater48 said: "But republicans oppose everything this President proposes."

You’re certainly right about this, Blackwater48. The Republicans are absolutely obsessed with Obama. Speaking of which, I noted that Steve Benen posted another unbelievable quote from House Speaker John Boehner at Washington Monthly today:

“Here’s the challenge,” he told his rank-and-file on a Sunday afternoon conference call, “To stop [Obama], we need a vehicle that can pass in both houses.”

Of course, the obvious question is as Benen points out - “Stop the President from doing what?” Do you think House Speaker Boehner OR any of these Republican tea bagger representatives actually know what it is that they’re trying to stop, Blackwater48? (sigh)

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/boehners_plan_to_stop_obama031074.php

July 25, 2011 at 12:30 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "Blackwater48 said: "But republicans oppose everything this President proposes.""

That is the incorrect way to look at it. The President just gets in front of a teleprompter and declares what he will not accept and derails the negotiations. He has never offered a “plan” that can be voted on by Congress. He is just a stream of random, often contradictory, sound bites.

The Republicans (for all of their faults) are the only party that has brought a proposal to the table that can be voted on. The DEMOCRATS then tabled that proposal without even debating it or offering up amendments. The Democrats are just sitting back and sniping for political points, letting the Republicans take all of the political heat with the support of a complicit media.

Anyone that buys the farce that says the Republicans are obstructing the process is not paying attention. The Democrats hold AT LEAST as much blame as the Republicans. I believe that the Dems are more responsible because they are obstructing the Republicans from doing what they know they were elected to do.

July 25, 2011 at 12:46 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

yeah, clara, that's what it is..

are you on commision?

no, clara...the amount i post on this forum is tiny compared to what blackwater and others post on here...count the posts on this thread and see.

you must feel that only libs should be allowed to comment on here.

but, it is gratifying to see obama, the supreme narcissist and bully that he is, get emasculated like he just did by boehner and the house. so much so that he's not even involved anymore. how pathetic.

there's nothing cool about obama...he's a boy playing a man's game. boehner handed him his ass and obumble's got nothin'. ..........he is exactly what i always tought he was, an icompetant fool and a narcissist.

also, clara...you can go back in this thread and see all the good suggestions for cutting down the debt, by both liberals on here and conservatives. it just goes to show everyone that what we have in the white house is the bottom of the barrel......a zero, an empty suit, a punk, a child, a clueless jackass, and a bufoon.

i'm not the one who said anything about a job on here......but obama and the democrats deserve everyhing they get..and more......as do the spineless, country club republicans of the past few years who were nearly as irresponsible as the democrats...

you can be a liberal or conservative...but it's becoming quite clear obama is a dud and no kind of a leader....everyone can agree on that.....

how about nominating a man next time, like a phil bredeson type, and not a fraud and an empty suit like obama......then i might have more respect for your party.

July 25, 2011 at 12:49 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

great point brp...obama has no ideas...he doesn't propose anything...others do. he's just a bag of wind and a political hack...nothing more...

he reads a teleprompter and spouts leftist, scripted, party line garbage....

the democrats couldn't even come up with a budget when they held both houses and the white house.

July 25, 2011 at 12:57 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

yeah, mountainlaurel...they're trying to stop obama from pushing on with his statist vision..and stop him from getting reelected.....he's dead weight....i think even you leftist bootlickers have to admit that. actually he was stopped on 11/2/10...remember that day? probably not.

July 25, 2011 at 1:01 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "That is the incorrect way to look at it. . . The Republicans (for all of their faults) are the only party that has brought a proposal to the table that can be voted on."

What proposed plan was this, BigRidgePatriot? Surely, you’re not referencing that Republican scheme that would gut Social Security, gut Medicare, gut Medicaid, gut America’s safety net programs, destroy the middle class, while continuing to give enormous tax breaks to corporations and society’s wealthiest individuals?

July 25, 2011 at 1:15 p.m.
alprova said...

Yep, that's the one alright.

July 25, 2011 at 1:18 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel,

No, I was referring to Cut, Cap & Balance, which does none of the things you mentioned.

Do you get all of your news from Clay Bennett, MSNBC and the Huffington Post? If so, that may explain your confusion. You might consider expanding your pool of resources.

July 25, 2011 at 1:19 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said:"I was referring to Cut, Cap & Balance, which does none of the things you mentioned."

It does all of the things I mentioned, BigRidge Patriot. This is why the White House gave the alleged Republican plan a new name - "Duck, Dodge, and Dismantle."

July 25, 2011 at 1:53 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Did you know our state department has been working towards giving away 8 American islands, along with control of hundreds of thousands of square miles of (mineral rich) seabed to the Russians?

What the heck! Good summary below.

http://www.statedepartmentwatch.org/GiveawaySummary.htm

July 25, 2011 at 1:58 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "It does all of the things I mentioned"

OK mountainlaurel. Back up ONE of your claims.

This should be good!

July 25, 2011 at 2 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

hint: "Keith Olbermann says..." is not back-up.

July 25, 2011 at 2:07 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Unlike the leftists here. I will gladly stay on subject and drill down to the nuts and bolts of your one claim mountainlaurel.

You have me on the edge of my seat!

July 25, 2011 at 2:26 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

obama's really got his head in this..he's been visiting college campuses and spoke to la raza's national conference.....loser. his mind is on reelection..that's all....kind of like a baseball player who's thnking about throwing the ball before he's actually caught it...then drops it.

la raza..what a racist group......just like the black panthers or the aryan brotherhood.....

damn you dems need those illegals......what crud....

July 25, 2011 at 2:31 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "Back up ONE of your claims. This should be good."

Well, I believe this organization says it well, BigRidgePatriot:

“We write to oppose both “The Cut, Cap, and Balance Act of 2011” and any Balanced Budget Amendment (BBA) proposals, on behalf of the Strengthen Social Security Campaign, which is comprised of 320 organizations representing more than 50 million members from many of the nation’s leading aging, labor, disability, women’s, children, consumer, civil rights and equality organizations.

Voting in favor of the Cut, Cap and Balance Act and the BBA is to vote for draconian cuts to Social Security. These measures will result in a huge and outrageous raid on the Social Security Trust Fund, which is paid for by those who contribute to it. Social Security should not be treated as a piggybank used to reduce the deficit or to fund continued tax breaks or new spending. . . .

. . . The BBA would require reducing federal spending as a share of the economy to 18 percent by 2021 - down from the current 24 percent. This would require draconian cuts to Social Security at a time when the baby-boom generation is about to retire.

The Economic Policy Institute has examined the effect on Social Security of a BBA requirement beginning in 2016. Assuming that the spending cuts required would be distributed evenly across the government, Social Security would be cut by $1.8 trillion from 2016 to 2020 – about a one-third cut.

Needless to say, cuts of this magnitude would have a devastating effect on beneficiaries, plunging millions into poverty and making for a very bleak future for most others. Already more than one-third of beneficiaries depend on Social Security for more than 90 percent of their income and nearly two-thirds depend on it for more than half of their income.

Congress has a fiduciary responsibility to make sure that Social Security contributions from American workers and their employers are kept segregated, in reserve, safely and conservatively invested in Treasury notes backed by the full faith and credit of the United States, to be available when needed to pay scheduled benefits.

This is what allows for the promise of Social Security to be realized. To enact reckless legislation that would break that promise by in effect allowing for those contributions to be raided for other purposes is morally wrong and politically very risky. We urge you in the strongest possible terms not to do it.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-a-budget/172233-house-of-representatives-should-oppose-cut-cap-and-balance-act-that-should-be-named-slash-burn-and-wreck-act

July 25, 2011 at 2:36 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dear mountainlaurel,

Quoting the hill is a lot like quoting Keith Olbermann, but if you like, we can pick apart your cut and paste.

First of all, are you accepting the hill's assumption that cuts will be evenly distributed across all parts of government?

"Assuming that the spending cuts required would be distributed evenly across the government"

July 25, 2011 at 2:49 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

boohoo, mountainlaurel.....social security has been raided for years.....

more doomsday crap...no matter where it comes from..

it's a ponzi scheme...

social security should be gradually phased out...i'd be willing to collect what i put into it, and find my own options.

July 25, 2011 at 2:53 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel,

If you are going to analyse an argument you have to start with the assumptions. The fact that the only specific plan we have seen from the Republicans left SS untouched for older Americans kind of implies that they do not want to be responsible for lowering SS on par with other cuts.

July 25, 2011 at 3:07 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Since the explosion in government spending over the last 3 years has not been driven by Social Security, don't you think it is a stretch to assume that all cutting will be equal across all programs and applied to Social Security as though Social Security was the problem?

July 25, 2011 at 3:10 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Don't you think that cuts will first be considered for areas that were the cause of the spending explosion? I would expect that cuts to defense related to drawing down in the middle east would be disproportionatly large.

July 25, 2011 at 3:13 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Wouldn't the politicos be more inclined to cut bureaucratic organizations before going directly at a key voting constituency?

July 25, 2011 at 3:15 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

At any rate, you do not know if the Hill's original assumption is correct. In fact, it is probably a grotesque mistake.

Correct?

July 25, 2011 at 3:19 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

if mountainlaurel was honest with herself she would say,

"Well, no, I don't know if The Hill is correct in assuming that all cuts will be evenly distributed across the government. It seems pretty far-fetched that any politician would have the strength to unfairly treat a group of voters that quite consistently votes in high numbers."

July 25, 2011 at 3:27 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

So what would that mean for The Hill's argument?

July 25, 2011 at 3:28 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

P.S. Do you do any thinking for yourself or do you just read left wing commentary and nod your head?

July 25, 2011 at 3:32 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: “Quoting the hill is a lot like quoting Keith Olbermann, but if you like, we can pick apart your cut and paste. First of all, are you accepting the hill's assumption that cuts will be evenly distributed across all parts of government? "

But the concern didn’t originate with The Hill, BigRidgePatriot. The letter was written by the Strengthen Social Security Campaign, which represents more than fifty million members for our Nation’s leading aging, labor, disability, women’s, children, consumer, civil rights and equality organizations. Clearly, these people are savvy to these Republican politicians who have repeatedly demonstrated they are out to sabotage the current U.S. Social Security System.

As such, I fully understand this organization's assumptions and suspect their alternate title for the proposed Republican plan, “Slash, Burn, and Wreck Act,” is probably an apt description of the intent of these Republican representatives. I also believe any additional speculation about the plan is a waste of time and energy. The reality is when it comes to Social Security the American public simply cannot trust the Republican Party - it has become a fact of life.

July 25, 2011 at 3:36 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel,

I see slogans and left wing rhetoric but no answer.

Replace every reference I made above to “The Hill” and replace it with “Strengthen Social Security Campaign” and nothing is changed.

UNLESS you would allow me to assume that an organization that called itself “Strengthen Social Security Campaign would not be happy with any change to Social Security that did not increase benefits and as such might be inclined to call any reduction whatsoever made to Social Security…”Gutting Social Security” (to use your words).

It looks like the Strengthen Social Security Campaign is guilty of distortion and hyperbole and you are falling in lock-step.

July 25, 2011 at 3:45 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "The letter was written by the Strengthen Social Security Campaign, which represents more than fifty million members"

That is an interesting statement. Is SSSC the self proclaimed representative of 50 million members? That is a pretty big group considering I have not heard of them before. Oh, I see, SSSC's "Board" consists of:

AFL-CIO Alliance for Retired Americans American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees American Federation of Teachers Campaign for America's Future Center for Community Change Democracy For America Economic Policy Institute Food Research Action Center Generations United Latinos for a Secure Retirement <strong>MoveOn.org Political Action NAACP National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare National Council of Women's Organizations National Gay and Lesbian Task Force National Nurses United National Organization for Women National Senior Citizens Law Center National Women's Law Center OWL - The Voice of Midlife and Older Women Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Social Security Works Sojourners The Arc United Cerebral Palsy USAction Voices for America’s Children

Every left wing group in America? Where is AARP and AMAC?

July 25, 2011 at 3:53 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

So, the vast majority of the 50 million members did not join SSSC but were coopted into the group by some other liberal group.

Use your head mountainlaurel. Quit drinking the Kool Aid!

July 25, 2011 at 3:55 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Normally, a reference would not matter so much, but since you refuse to answer questions for yourself we are left examining the resume of your cut-and-paste source.

July 25, 2011 at 4:34 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

SAVE YOUR BREATH

Mountainlaurel, when you give them specifics they criticize the source. Or they change the subject. Or they go into another anti-President-blow up the economy-drive the economy off the cliff rant that obscures the original argument and blames everything on Obama.

To their way of "thinking," Obama is wrong to oppose a short term solution to raising the debt ceiling. Tea baggers would like to keep kicking this can all the way to election day.

Eric Cantor, R-Va.: "If we can't make the tough decisions now, why ... would [we] be making those tough decisions later?" Oops. Now the smiling ferret has changed his tune. NOW he wants a short term deal.

The same way tea baggers were FOR a single payer option for Health Care Reform. Before they were AGAINST IT.

The same way they were FOR cap and trade BEFORE they were against it.

The same way they were FOR a stimulus package which included tax cuts BEFORE they were against it.

I return to my original point: republicans only exist to oppose everything the President wants to do. Why should he put a specific point by point plan on the table? Tea Baggers will just oppose it. Besides, it's not his job.

Congress authorized the spending. And they should authorize raising the debt ceiling to pay for all their tax cuts and wars and prescription drug benefits for Medicare.

It seems like if they were serious about deficits, if they were serious about spending beyond our means, if they were serious about a balanced budget they would have brought it up when they controlled the White House and both houses of Congress.

When they had the power to reign in spending and legislate a fiscally responsible government, all we heard was crickets.

(PS - DeathValleyFascist: eight posts in a row? Seriously?)

July 25, 2011 at 4:49 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Blah, Blah, Blah.

BW is nothing but hot air. mountainlaurel took the typical leftist approach and cut and pasted a long diatribe from some far left source and tried to use that as an answer to a question.

Leftist are intellectually lazy. They cannot even make their own arguments or think for themselves. It is all emotion and hyperbole with you libs.

BREAKING NEWS blackwater48 can count!

July 25, 2011 at 4:58 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

blackwater48 said...

ONE....

July 25, 2011 at 4:59 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

blackwater48 said...

TWO...

July 25, 2011 at 4:59 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

blackwater48 said...

THREE...

July 25, 2011 at 5 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

blackwater48 said...

FI... NO... FOUR...

July 25, 2011 at 5:01 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT!

DVF, you get an 'attaboy!'

July 25, 2011 at 5:03 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

SINCE YOU DIDN'T ASK

I was waiting for your frothing challenge to the fact that tea baggers were opposed to a short term raising of debt ceiling before they were against it.

All this flip-flopping.. no wonder they're so dizzy.

Other elephants included McConnell, McCarthy, and Camp.

Wow. That sounds like Satan's law firm.

Oh wait. They are!

July 25, 2011 at 5:08 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

blackwater, I don't really read your posts. Each one gets about 500 milliseconds of attention before I move on. The longer you write the less of it I read.

Please forgive me if I missed one of your pointless comments.

July 25, 2011 at 5:26 p.m.
potcat said...

82 times big has posted on this thread. Blackwater, he reads every word you write. big is a Big Fat Liar, and in dire need of a life, what a Loser!!!

July 25, 2011 at 5:44 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

potcat can count too!

Are you stalking me? I worry about people that count other peoples posts. They must have an agenda.

Very creepy!

July 25, 2011 at 5:46 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

You know bw & potcat...

I would bet that I produced more GDP between posts today than the both of you did last month. Go play in the dirt!

July 25, 2011 at 5:49 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

OBSERVE YOUR SACRED OATH

Dear Mr. Fascist, If it's true that you don't bother reading other opinions then how do you know I disagree with you? But if what you said is true, that explains why you love the tea bag party so much. To your twisted logic, you are absolutely right and the rest of the world is absolutely wrong. That's the beauty of political theology. You don't need facts.

You just need faith.

And I sincerely apologize for being a tough on you. I realize you have a tough job.

It's down right impossible to explain away why tea baggers insist on cuts to Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid while staunchly opposing any measure that would cost the wealthiest in this country one single penny. You can't do it with facts so I guess that's another spot where faith comes in handy.

The President agreed to cutting SS, MC and MA, but insisted that any plan to address the deficit had to be fair. Everybody should give a little. A majority of Americans agree with him, by the way. Even a majority of republicans agree with him.

But republicans put their hand on the Bible and swore a sacred oath which they are loath to deny.. No, not the Congressional oath of office. Ha! No, the REAL oath, the really sacred one, the pledge to Grover Norquist that they NEVER EVER EVER even think about entertaining the idea of raising taxes on millionnaires. Or closing loopholes which might cost them or making them pay same the tax rate as the working class.

If democrats don't agree to their plan, either the Ryan plan or the McConnell plan or the Boehner plan or whatever - each one of which cuts domestic spending but doesn't inconvenience the wealthiest in this country - they will hold their breath until they turn blue and the economy explodes and then they'll point their fat little fingers at Obama and cry, 'He made me do it!'

Clay got this cartoon spot on. Just a bunch of babies throwing a temper tantrum. As far as they're concerned the country can just go to hell in a hand basket.

Because, like the good book says, some oaths are just too sacred to break.

July 25, 2011 at 5:52 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

YOUR opions bw, and alpo's get about 500 ms. I read most of the others.

July 25, 2011 at 5:54 p.m.
inthemiddle said...

I wouldn't be so quick to criticize one party over the other. They all do enough flipping and flopping to deserve a spot on the Olympic gymnastic squad. It would be a tightly scored event between the right and the left.

To Blackwater enjoy the Democratic equivilant of the triple lindey. Feel free to insert Democrat for Republican or vice versa.

Harry Reid on raising the debt ceiling in 2006:

“If my Republican friends believe that increasing our debt by almost $800 billion today and more than $3 trillion over the last five years is the right thing to do, they should be upfront about it. They should explain why they think more debt is good for the economy.

How can the Republican majority in this Congress explain to their constituents that trillions of dollars in new debt is good for our economy? How can they explain that they think it’s fair to force our children, our grandchildren, our great grandchildren to finance this debt through higher taxes. That’s what it will have to be. Why is it right to increase our nation’s dependence on foreign creditors?

They should explain this. Maybe they can convince the public they’re right. I doubt it. Because most Americans know that increasing debt is the last thing we should be doing. After all, I repeat, the Baby Boomers are about to retire. Under the circumstances, any credible economist would tell you we should be reducing debt, not increasing it.Democrats won’t be making argument to supper this legalization, which will weaken our country. Weaken our county.”

From Sen. Obama’s Floor Speech, March 20, 2006:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

At the time, Senator Obama was urging Congress not to tolerate an increase that would bring the debt ceiling to $9 trillion. Under President Obama, the debt ceiling has been raised to $14.3 trillion. Even without counting most unfunded liabilities, the national debt is now calculated to be nearing $14.1 trillion. It increases about $4.22 billion per day (each citizen’s share stands at roughly $45K). Thus, Democrats will soon demand that the debt ceiling be raised, lest the sky fall. When they do, they will be asking for a significant boost in a ceiling that is already 60 percent higher than the one Barack Obama said was “a sign of leadership failure” five years ago.

July 25, 2011 at 5:55 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I hate to break into this fight, but I have a question:

Why is there such a resistance to a) raising the debt ceiling and b) raising taxes? I thought at one point (Friday?) they had a plan that raised the ceiling, cut spending and increased revenue (by closing loopholes and letting some cut expire) with cuts to revenue being about $3 to $1. Then the talks broke down. Reagan raised taxes numerous times, and raised the debt ceiling (I think it was 18 times but I can't find my source on that one). Bush II raised the debt ceiling too-numerous times, and increased spending and taxes. What is different about 2011 that debt ceiling increases and revenue increases (as long as there are spending cuts) are taboo?

PS let me add that I realize that the economy is struggling right now. Is that the difference? I hate to say that the impression I was left with is that, like they said right after the election, the GOP's primary goal was to oppose Obama. This kinda smacks of vendetta, but I don't know enough economics to sort it out.

July 25, 2011 at 5:59 p.m.
potcat said...

who the fu.. would stalk you. You obviously need to overtake the thread and with so many nothing post who the hell can miss them. ASSwipe lonely desperate pathetic attention seeker I do know a little about stalkers and just because they got by with doing it to me, and this papper obviously condones it, Speaks Volumes about them. So i would suggest that you keep your trap shut on a matter you know nothing about,big little man.

July 25, 2011 at 6:12 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

lkeithlu,

On the Republican side, most Republicans are willing to raise the debt ceiling, they just want to lock in some spending reductions while they are at it because they have no other lever at this time other than the debt ceiling. They at least for the moment are pretending that they are the party of smaller government whereas the Democrats are trying to increase revenue to fund the socialist gains they made before Republicans re-won the house. They won't say it, but obamacare is going to cost a bundle.

I don't get the tax thing either. It seems to me that the Republicans should compromise and raise taxes by some amount that is less than a full return to the Clinton rates but MAKE THE CHANGE "PERMANENT". All of the temporary tax legislation is only adding to uncertainty. I think the Bush tax cuts were not very effective because they were temporary.

July 25, 2011 at 6:13 p.m.
rolando said...

Well, I do believe this thread has topped them all.

Here is an appropriate Mallard to celebrate:

http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/fun/Mallard_Fillmore/

July 25, 2011 at 6:15 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Well, on the other hand, I do get the tax increase thing. I would only put it on the table after the cuts have been made. Otherwise they would just spend 1.4x every additional penny we gave them.

July 25, 2011 at 6:16 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

potcat,

I am truly hurt. The only reason I come to this forum is for your approval, and now I see that I have failed. Woe is me!

July 25, 2011 at 6:20 p.m.
potcat said...

Any Blowhard that has to brag about how much money they "say" they make, is a braggart and LIAR. big you probally had'nt got two nickels to rub togeather.What a LOOOser!!! This must be your life, POst POST POST and don't say a damn thing.. BORING!!!

July 25, 2011 at 6:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

potcat,

I never said I made a dime. You do understand that there is a difference between production and earnings, right?

I worry about you potcat! You seem to always be in a constant state of rage for no apparent reason. If this forum gets you all riled up you should consider making some life changes before something explodes.

July 25, 2011 at 6:27 p.m.
moonpie said...

Reading these posts reminds me of exactly how the discussions are going in DC.

"You're the baby!"

"No, you are!"

"Baby!"

"Potty Pants!"

"Diaper head!"

This is a real game of follow the leaders!

Great cartoon, by the way.

July 25, 2011 at 6:35 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

moonpie said... "This is a real game of follow the leaders!"

The grown up in the room?

July 25, 2011 at 6:43 p.m.
potcat said...

`` The repulicans are so securely in character. They've rejected everything that the President has proposed, because Obama's deal includes tax increases and closing loopholes for hedge-fund managers and corporate jets and companies that move off shore etc. ets

` Obama's plan is a disater also, he proposes a ten year , hundred- billion- dollar reduction in federal contributions to medicaid and billions more in Medicare. ~ Ryans ten- year budget plan, would impose a fifty-per-cent cut on programs like food stamps and Supplemental Security income.

`` Will someone please educate the Tea Bagger Repubs and Obama too about the Fundemental difference between the principles of private finance and public finance for the betterment and equality of Man kind.

July 25, 2011 at 6:58 p.m.
potcat said...

big, you think i am in a RAGE, ha ha he he,I am as calm and happy as i have ever been. This forum is fun and interesting to me and i like most every one on here, except you. I have never liked Phonys and Liars and i know a a$$hole when it is put in your face a 100 times a thread. ` What i write is how i feel about something,thats how i roll, angry, rage, hardly.

July 25, 2011 at 7:13 p.m.
chet123 said...

BIGRIDGEPAT......I FAULT OBAMA FOR TRYING TO MAKE A DEAL WITH A PARTY THAT NOT INTERESTED IN COMPROMISING.....HE MADE THE SAME MISTAKE IN DEC.2010 ON CONTINUING THE TAX RATE FOR THE TOP 2%

WHAT HE SHOULD DO IS INVOKE THE 14 AMENDMENT

YOU CANT BE NICE AND FAIR WITH THIS REPUBLICAN CONGRESS...NATIONAL SECURITY IS AT RISK.....LET THE COURT FIGHT IT...OBAMA NEED TO SHOW MORE BACKBONE!

July 25, 2011 at 8:02 p.m.
moonpie said...

Additional dialogue overheard from the negotiations....

Don't you dare insinuate that I am a grown up!

You are the grown up! Burn.

July 25, 2011 at 8:30 p.m.
sd said...

The President pretty much covered it in his speech just now.

I don't want to say I'll NEVER vote for a Republican again, because the political climate will eventually change, but I am so soured on the GOP right now I really can't imagine the sort of 180 they'd need to pull as a group to regain my trust and support.

I wish our representatives (and I use that term loosely) would get over themselves and do their jobs. Pathetic. In any other job that sort of work ethic would get you fired.

July 25, 2011 at 9:35 p.m.
fairmon said...

chet123,

What part of the 14th amendment would empower Obama to raise the debt ceiling? What happens if the 14th amendment is invoked?

July 25, 2011 at 10:37 p.m.
rolando said...

In his speech, iBama detailed the following rules for all Federal golf tourneys after Jul 2011:

GOLFERS TAKE HEED!

New Federal Golf Rules

These new golf rules will be in effect in July of 2011. Please share with fellow golfers.

The President has recently appointed a Golf Czar and major rule changes in the game of golf will become effective in August 2011. This is only a preview as the complete rule book (expect 2000 pages) is being rewritten as we speak.

Here are a few of the changes.

-- Golfers with handicaps:

  • below 10 will have their green fees increased by 35%.

  • between 11 and 18 will see no increase in green fees.

  • above 18 will get a $20 check each time they play.

-- The term "gimmie" will be changed to "entitlement" and will be used as follows:

  • handicaps below 10, no entitlements.

  • handicaps from 11 to 17, entitlements for putter length putts.

  • handicaps above 18, if your ball is on green, no need to putt, just pick it up.

These entitlements are intended to bring about fairness and, most importantly, equality in scoring. In addition, a player will be limited to a maximum of one birdie or six pars in any given 18-hole round. Any excess must be given to those fellow players who have not yet scored a birdie or par. Only after all players have received a birdie or par from the player actually making the birdie or par can that player begin to count his pars and birdies again. The current USGA handicap system will be used for the above purposes, but the term "net score" will be available only for scoring those players with handicaps of 18 and above.

This is intended to "re-distribute" the success of winning by making sure that in every competition, the above 18 handicap players will post only "net score" against every other player's gross score.

These new Rules are intended to CHANGE the game of golf.

Golf must be about Fairness. It should have nothing to do with ability, hard work, practice,, and responsibility. This is the "Right thing to do."

July 25, 2011 at 10:54 p.m.
tderng said...

harp3339...I think chet123 is hard of hearing,YOU HAVE TO SHOUT AT HIM FOR HIM TO HEAR YOU!

July 25, 2011 at 11:28 p.m.
fairmon said...

Proposal:

Return all social security to the payer minus any already received. Require employees to save by buying U.S. bonds and provide for their own retirement. Annually experience adjust medicare A-B-D premiums to pay all claims.

In addition to the defense of the country identify essential federal government services to assure citizen safety and their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and the minimum cost of each. Tax fairly sufficient to fund those activities only. Require a balanced budget and pay the debt in order to return to being the greatest nation on earth.

Governments at all levels are like parents that borrow themselves into bankruptcy to keep providing lavishly for their spoiled kids. The kids just keep demanding more and more from the parents. Some kids are called democrats and others republican but they are similar and both want everything to be the way they want it.

July 25, 2011 at 11:32 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "YOUR opions bw, and alpo's get about 500 ms. I read most of the others."

Like anyone cares.

July 25, 2011 at 11:46 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "Proposal: Return all social security to the payer minus any already received. Require employees to save by buying U.S. bonds and provide for their own retirement. Annually experience adjust medicare A-B-D premiums to pay all claims."

Wish in one hand and take a dump in the other and see which hand gets filled first -- The Utopian, tax-free society you wish for will never come about. Not in your lifetime or anyone else's that is alive today.

"In addition to the defense of the country identify essential federal government services to assure citizen safety and their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and the minimum cost of each. Tax fairly sufficient to fund those activities only."

Ditto.

"Require a balanced budget and pay the debt in order to return to being the greatest nation on earth."

What made this nation so great was not a balanced budget. What made this country so great was the fact that manufacturing jobs were prevalent, there was a middle class that was clearly recognizable, and that people could achieve the American dream. The dream has been yanked out from under the feet of hard-working people and it has been replaced with a race by a few to the top to see how much money they can amass and scam from these same hard-working people.

"Governments at all levels are like parents that borrow themselves into bankruptcy to keep providing lavishly for their spoiled kids."

Welfare, unemployment payments, Social Security, and other entitlements is not bankrupting this country. Two expensive wars and bridges to nowhere are.

"The kids just keep demanding more and more from the parents. Some kids are called democrats and others republican but they are similar and both want everything to be the way they want it."

It would take three generations, minimum, to educate people and to condition them into investing their own money into retirement funding. You cannot just turn off the spigot like you would to throw a child into the water and tell him to swim. Rich or poor, cut off Social Security and the howls of protest would be heard to high Heaven, and most of all from the rich who expect those monthly checks as much as those who need it to survive.

July 26, 2011 at 12:09 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

APPLES AND AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

Inthemiddle tried to play politcal 'Gotcha' by pointing out that both Senators Harry Reid Barack Obama opposed and voted against raising the debt ceiling in 2006.

A) Republicans held the majority in the Senate and the Bill to raise the debt ceiling passed cleanly, without Democrats holding the Bill hostage and threatening to let the United States default. Obama has said that it was an immature thing to do, but he was trying to score some political points. You may not know this, Mr/Ms Middle, put politicians are known to occasionally practice hyperbole.

B) Neither Reid, Obama, nor the Democrats consistently flip-flopped on issues in order to always remain opposed to then President Bush.

DO YOU FATHOM THE DIFFERENCE?

July 26, 2011 at 12:21 a.m.
timbo said...

blackwater48 .....you are spliting hairs, if the dems could have stalled the debt limit ceiling in 2006 they would have. They did not have the votes. The Republicans do now.

DO YOU FATHOM THE DIFFERENCE?

You are the smartest dumba** I've ever read. The rest of us cower at your gargantuan intellect. It is second only to your gargantuan ego.

As far as flip flopping, the debt ceiling vote, the differecnce in how the dems see our intervention in Libya versus Iraq/Afganistan, I could go on....

Also, there will be no default. There is enough money coming in to pay the debt service. This is a lie. Social security, medicare, militiary pay, all can be paid...just not some of your social programs. That is a good thing.

Also, since you guys like paying taxes and are socially responsible, why don't you just write a check? Start a web site called "LIberals write a check now.com" Then the 38% who like Obama so much can foot the bill and leave the rest of us alone. Fat chance of that happening because you libs always want the "rich" to pay for your fun.

Gosh, you are just so smart aren't you?

July 26, 2011 at 12:58 a.m.
timbo said...

By the way, when something is dead wrong, you don't compromise.

July 26, 2011 at 12:59 a.m.
inthemiddle said...

Bw, let me be clear I do not support one party over the other by no means. What I do support is a balanced view on both of the parties and I only offered the former to prove the point that both of these parties say what is needed when appropriate. You spent a lot of time trying to impose your idea that the Republicans were a bunch of flip floppers and I only pointed out that it is not limited to one party as you would suggest in the earlier post. As for part b of your answer how can you possibly say that they never flip flopped in order to remain opposed to Bush? Wouldn't the two above quotes seem to contradict your assumption in themselves?

July 26, 2011 at 7:16 a.m.
chet123 said...

Harp339...SINCE THE TEA PARTY IS USING THE DEBT CEILING AS A TOOL TO CRIPPLE THE PRESIDENT AT THE EXPENSE OF NATIONAL SECURITY...HE SHOULD USE THE 14 AMENDMENT SECTION 1 THE VALIDITY OF PUBLIC DEBT.....THIS WOULD ALLOW HIM TO INSTRUCT THE SEC.OF TREASURY TO CONTINUE TO PAY OUR BILLS....LET THE COURT STOP IT IF THEY WISH. THE PRESIDENT HAVE THE MAJORITY OF AMERICAN PEOPLE IN HIS FAVOR.....LOL LOL CONGRESS IS HATED

July 26, 2011 at 3:23 p.m.
chet123 said...

HE SHOULD GIVE THE REPUBLICAN/TEA PARTY A FIGHT....WHAT HE GOT TO LOOSE LOL LOL LOL..ITS CLEAR THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO WORK WITH HIM....WHY EVEN CONTINUE TO TALK WITH THEM HE WILL NEVER PLEASE THEM..LET THEM CRY...SO WHAT!!!

July 26, 2011 at 3:28 p.m.
chet123 said...

CORRECTION ON july 26,2011 3:23pm...14th AMENDMENT SECTION 4 NOT SECTION 1

July 27, 2011 at 7:18 a.m.
Selah said...

Republicans will lose beginning in 2012...Rock the Vote...this is how "We the People" will speak and speak loud.

July 28, 2011 at 12:05 a.m.
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