published Tuesday, July 26th, 2011

Deportations climbing year by year

Third of six parts

Guatemalan nationals, who just arrived in Guatemala City on a U.S.-chartered flight for deportees from Arizona, board minibuses provided by the Guatemalan government to drive them to bus stations so they can return to their villages.
Guatemalan nationals, who just arrived in Guatemala City on a U.S.-chartered flight for deportees from Arizona, board minibuses provided by the Guatemalan government to drive them to bus stations so they can return to their villages.
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FAST FACTS
  • Eight ICE-chartered aircraft are used to remove illegal immigrants: three are based in Mesa, Ariz.; two are based in San Antonio, Texas; two in Alexandria, La.; and one in Miami, Fla.
  • There are regularly scheduled U.S. government flights to Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Haiti. However, ICE Air Operations has the flexibility to schedule flights to any country as required.
  • ICE spent $132.36 million on removal flights in 2010 and had spent $73.22 million through May 31, 2011.

Source: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement

FLIGHTS THAT LANDED IN GUATEMALA ONLY

From fiscal year 2005 through June 11, 2011, ICE Air Operations conducted 1,537 removal flights to Guatemala:

  • 2011: 205
  • 2010: 302
  • 2009: 292
  • 2008: 290
  • 2007: 180
  • 2006: 146
  • 2005: 122

Source: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement

DEPORTATIONS OF GUATEMALANS FROM THE U.S.

2011: 16,007*

2010: 29,095

2009: 27,222

2008: 28,051

2007: 23,062

2006: 18,305

2005: 11,025

  • Note: Through July 8, 2011

Source: Guatemala’s Migration Department

FLIGHTS TO CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA

From fiscal year 2005 through June 11, 2011, ICE Air Operations conducted 3,879 removal flights to Central and South America:

  • 2011: 482
  • 2010: 815
  • 2009: 730
  • 2008: 746
  • 2007: 548
  • 2006: 290
  • 2005: 268
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GUATEMALA CITY, Guatemala — They come in U.S.-chartered planes with old clothes and orange plastic wrist bands displaying their names, dates of birth and photos.

Their frustrated dreams are packed in cardboard boxes or paper bags.

Hundreds of deportees from the United States arrive weekly at the airport in Guatemala’s capital.

On April 15 at 11 a.m., 126 Guatemalan deportees arrived in Guatemala City from Phoenix. Earlier that day, another 131 were welcomed home by government officials and a bright blue banner stating, “Bienvenidos a Guatemala, Ya estás en tu país y con tu gente.”

“Welcome to Guatemala, you are now in your country and with your people.”

Guatemalan government officials greet flights with deportees almost daily; sometimes two or three flights arrive in one day.

Every year since 2007, more than 20,000 Guatemalans have been deported from the United States. More than 60,000 others were deported from Mexico in both 2009 and 2010, according to Guatemalan government data.

When the deportees arrive in their home country, some look tired; some are dirty.

Some were caught in the Arizona desert as they tried to cross illegally into the United States; others came from places such as Chattanooga, Atlanta or Memphis, where they had established lives.

Isaiahs Romero Chávez, 27, was caught in the Arizona desert. He left San Marcos, a state near the Mexico border, about a month before he was nabbed.

“We were in Tucson already. We were about to get in the car to go to Phoenix,” he said shortly after he arrived back in Guatemala.

Chávez said he understands the border patrol agents are just doing their jobs.

“That’s what they are there for, to catch us because we have no documents. We are violating the law,” he said.

Even though he acknowledges what he did was illegal, he said he had no other option.

“Life here [in Guatemala] is hard,” he said. “Maybe you get enough for your food, but you can’t do anything else. There’s no going forward in Guatemala.”


From 2005 through June 11 of this year, more than 1,500 U.S. flights carrying deportees from the United States have landed in Guatemala, according to Temple Black, spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The number of Guatemalans deported annually from the United States shot from 11,000 in 2005 to close to 30,000 in 2010.

From 2005 through this spring, the U.S. government spent more than $744 million on removal flights to foreign countries, including Guatemala, according to ICE data.

And so far this fiscal year, which ends on Sept. 30, ICE Air operations spent $73.22 million — about $519 on average per seat — on 1,303 flights with more than 141,000 deportees.

The importance of removing those who are in the country illegally justifies the cost, Black said in an e-mail.

“ICE is charged with enforcing the nation’s civil immigration laws and receives appropriated funds for this purpose,” Black wrote. “This is a critical mission and one with direct significance for our national security, public safety, and the integrity of our border and immigration controls.”

President Barack Obama’s administration is under increasing pressure to deport illegal immigrants, primarily from Republican politicians and other groups that seek tougher enforcement of the immigration laws.

In fiscal year 2010, a record 392,862 illegal immigrants were deported from the U.S., up from 291,060 in 2007. Critics of illegal immigration say the government’s priority should be securing the border and deporting those who break the law.


When the deportees arrive in Guatemala City, they are called one by one to a processing counter, just as if they were cashing a check at a bank. They are fingerprinted and processed.

In the meantime, Guatemalan government officials provide a snack — bread with beans — something to drink and a dessert to quell the deportees’ hunger.

They are given their belongings and, as they exit the processing center, a white-and-blue passenger van awaits to drive them to bus stations around town so they can get back to their villages. Most of them head back to rural communities in Guatemala’s western highlands.

The vans have a capacity of 30 to 35 passengers but because resources are limited, more than 60 deportees are crammed inside. Those who are lucky get a seat. Most though, stand side by side, grabbing onto whatever they can.

“Xela! Xela!” someone yelled on that day in April, referring to a city in the state of Quetzaltenango and a destination for several passengers.

“The government of Guatemala, through the Ministry of Foreign Relations, has had the pleasure of serving you today. We hope you arrive home safely and wish you a happy Holy Week in the company of your families,” a government official tells the deportees as they exit the van.

“Thank you,” the group of mostly men responds in unison.


Deportations are a challenge for Guatemala.

The deportation of about 28,000 Guatemalans annually can mean a reduction of about 60 million Guatemalan quetzales, or $7.5 million, in remittances. The remittances — money sent back home from abroad — are Guatemala’s second-largest source of income.

In 2010, Guatemalans living in foreign countries, primarily the United States, sent back $4.4 billion, which represents about 10 percent of Guatemala’s Gross Domestic Product.

And deportees go back to a life probably worse than what they left. Many still owe money to the smuggler who helped sneak them into the United States. Others have been gone so long, they no longer recognize the country they left behind, said Erick Maldonado, Guatemala’s vice minister for foreign relations.

“Although we know the services we offer don’t compensate for the pain and sadness that coming back means for them, we believe that, however small the gesture, we are welcoming them,” he said.

“Some will decide to return to the United States, others won’t, but we want them to see that we are making the effort, within our means, to give them the welcome they deserve.”

Most of the April deportees look happy after arriving in Guatemala. They joke with each other, they laugh, they look out of the windows of the van, admiring how much Guatemala City has changed.

But that exuberance only lasts a couple of hours, said Francisco Pellizzari, director of the Casa del Migrante, a migrant shelter in Guatemala City.

“They seem happy because they want to see their parents, their children, but in a couple of hours it’s all over,” said Pellizzari. “They have a dark future ahead of them.”

Even as thousands are deported, more are waiting to emigrate illegally, Pellizzari said.

“We don’t think that, at the moment, there’s an exit to this situation,” he said. “The governments really need to take matters in hand because we are talking about thousands of people that are walking and thousands more who are candidates to leave.”


Esmond Omar, 25, left his wife and children behind in Memphis, where he lived for eight years, when he got deported.

“I was sad because my life was in Memphis,” he said inside the van, just hours after arriving in Guatemala.

He left the country when he was just 16 years old, he said.

Giovani Mateo, 18, was heading to Atlanta when he got caught by border patrol agents. It had been 25 days since he left his town in Huehuetenango — where many Guatemalans in the Chattanooga area come from — because they had to hide and wait for long periods of time to avoid immigration officers, he said.

“My plans were to work and save money to build my house,” he said.

He only finished sixth grade in Guatemala, dropping out at age 13.

“It was sad because I couldn’t reach my goal,” he said as the van drove through Guatemala City’s busy streets. “But my mom told me not to be sad and to come back. It’ll be God’s will.”

about Perla Trevizo...

Perla Trevizo joined the Chattanooga Times Free Press in 2007 and covers immigration/diversity issues and higher education. She holds a master’s degree in newswire journalism from Universidad Rey Juan Carlos in Madrid, Spain, and a bachelor’s degree in political science from the University of Texas. In 2011 she participated in the Bringing Home the World international reporting fellowship program sponsored by the International Center for Journalists, producing a series on Guatemalan immigrants for which she ...

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TSCinSFO said...

Can we get someone other than a Hispanic to report on illegal immigration? Since Hispanics make up over 90% of all illegals they can play the sympathy game better than anyone. Well all I can say to these Guatemalans is good riddance and DON'T come back. We have our own people to take care of and we cannot afford to take all the 3rd worlds uneducated peasants. This is just another example of why we have to end birthright citizenship just like every European country has already done and ban all services for them including enrolling in our schools. 99.9% chance that his wife is an illegal but their kid was born here. Illegal aliens drop their anchor babies here and leave them behind for American to take care of when they get deported. It also just gives them another reason to try to come back. I don't believe in breaking up families either...Deport the whole family.

July 26, 2011 at 4:01 a.m.
Wilder said...

TSC said...

Can we get someone other than a Hispanic to report on illegal immigration?

In Dalton, the Carpet Cartel used the newspaper to disseminate pro illegal alien propaganda to the locals as part of their overall strategy to supplant the labor pool.

July 26, 2011 at 7:12 a.m.
rolando said...

Interesting that the planeload departed from Arizona...one of the few states taking action against illegal aliens, in spite of the federal government's actions against them.

Three cheers for Georgia! Now, how about Tennessee's Legislature taking similar action before all the parasitic mestizo illegal aliens end up here.

July 26, 2011 at 7:18 a.m.
Wilder said...

Rolando said:

Three cheers for Georgia! Now, how about Tennessee's Legislature taking similar action before all the parasitic mestizo illegal aliens end up here.

If you compare the percentage of Hispanics enrolled in Chattanooga's area schools this fall to last years enrollment, odds are you will see a substantial increase in numbers as a result of Georgia's and Alabama's new immigration laws.

I have already noticed an increase in the number of Hispanics working in the fast food restaurants around Chattanooga.

That brings me to another point, that is seldom mentioned. Part of the legal immigration process includes a medical screening - when you walk across the border, there is none. A doctor in Dalton told me years ago that diseases, like antibiotic resistant TB, are showing up for the first time in Dalton's history. Its something that you might want to think about the next time you go to the fast food restaurant staffed with Hispanics.

This isn't something that you are going to see Perla reporting on, because it is factual information that people need to make rational decisions.

July 26, 2011 at 8:26 a.m.
SilenceDogood11 said...

I find it funny that all of a sudden none of you want a reporter with first hand knowledge of what he/she's reporting about. I don't remember Wilder, Rolando, Wildman or TSCinSFO complaining about Todd South reporting on military issues on account of him having been a Marine. I can hear you already, but Todd doesn't have an obvious opinion already determined prior to writing a piece. Perhaps each of you have an obvious opinion already determined before reading Perla's piece.

July 26, 2011 at 9:17 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

perla, perla, perla....enough with the sob stories, please!

illegal is illegal is illegal......lawlessness can't be tolerated, even though the onion head we have in the white house is fine with. go back to guatamala and come back the right way and you'll be welcome with open arms..

i just read that the governor brown of california, the pot head, has decided that illegal aliens should get financial aid. the democrat party has to be eliminated because they're out to destory america.

brown, obama..and others in the democrat party have devalued citizenship....and are promoting lawlessness....obama should be impeached, as should brown?

what's the point of being a citizen if an illegal alien/criminal/foreign invader gets just as much respect and given the same benefits as a citizen.

throw the bastards out....the illegals aliens..and the democrats, and with extreme prejudice.

July 26, 2011 at 9:52 a.m.
Wilder said...

@silencedog

Living in Dalton, I do have first hand knowledge of what she is reporting on. If you grow up in a one industry town, almost everyone you know has inside knowledge on that industry. For example, I have heard first hand about the stacks and stacks of letters from the Social Security Adminstration that are mailed to the carpet mills every year, pinpointing employees whose Social Security numbers don't match, and those who work in that department have been told to ingnore them, and throw them away.

That kind of information informs readers about the other side of the issue, but never gets reported on. Perla's reporting is always focused on the hardships of the illegal aliens, who everyone knows, are brought on by their own doings. If you have read one of her stories, you have read them all - there is never anything new.

I don't know what this has to do with a former Marine reporting on military issues - a pretty stupid analogy.

July 26, 2011 at 10:21 a.m.
potcat said...

Oh seadonk, Why is it all about Hispanics, they are plenty of others coming to America,Via Churchs that set them up for a couple months and then puts them on the DOLE. Iraq, turks ,Africa ETC. ETC. If a Church sponsors a group, i don't care from which Country to homestead in America then that Church or orginization should have to take care of them financially FOREVER. That would put a end to that. If they want to help another Country than do it for them in their own Country. Adoption also by Christians is so unChristian, it defys reason, how about the millions of American Children in dire need of a family. Those Children can set in Foster homes and are shuffeled around to home to hell and back, but they are going to adopt a Chineese or Russian. Common decency anyone.Charity begins at home!!!

July 26, 2011 at 10:24 a.m.
sage1 said...

Every year since 2007, more than 20,000 Guatemalans have been deported from the United States. More than 60,000 others were deported from Mexico in both 2009 and 2010, according to Guatemalan government data.

I see....Mexico (and every other country in the world) deports Illegal Alliens and no one snivels about it. The USA does it and suddenly the Snivel Fest runs amock.

The word ILLEGAL was used 7 times in this article in describing how these people entered into this country or in describing the individuals. It seems that to many, when the word is attached to ALLIEN, it should conjure up feelings of remorse and pity in the heart of Americans and a vast ocean of sympothy should flow to the aid of these "poor, poor people". I suppose all the other countries of the world should just close up shop and head to the good 'ol USA.

July 26, 2011 at 10:40 a.m.
SilenceDogood11 said...

Wilder, I guess the first thing I should point out is the fact that there weren't any analogies in my post. That you think an analogy that was never made was stupid is maybe ironic, no?

On the contrary, a simple comparison was made. A comparison prompted by the comment "Can we get someone other than a Hispanic to report on illegal immigration?" This comparison was made because the commenter, nor anyone who agrees with him, has asked that Perla's fellow employee, Todd South, stop reporting on military issues simply for the reason that he's a Marine.

Not sure why you point out your first hand knowledge of the situation. I never brought that up one way or the other.

For the record, I couldn't care less what people's opinion of this article is. I do have a problem when people bring a reporters legal status into question because she's Hispanic or makes a blanket statement that Hispanics need to be shot to teach the rest of them a lesson. Would you comment on a black reporters article about blacks getting hanged? But it's okay to comment about wanting to shoot and kill Hispanics entering the country illegally while also insinuating that the author of the story may be one of them?

July 26, 2011 at 10:46 a.m.
Selah said...

Funny ...no one was DEPORTING when the illegal Hispanics were making the White man money...Interesting. Don't be so happy about this because they will reap what they sow

July 26, 2011 at 10:51 a.m.
move2canada said...

keep deporting! I'm not a racist, but when they come here and take from us and our children I react. I worked at walmart and all the mexicans, and hispanics and guatemalans or whoever they were had food stamps and WIC and would'nt speak a word of english. They acted if I should learn spanish to talk to them. If you want to come to America so bad, pay your own way like we do and learn to speak our language. This is why we have no jobs and no money. They all have around 4 to 5 kids and I don't think I've ever seen a mexican lady that wasn't prego. COME on, it doesn't take rocket science to figure all this out. SEND THEM BACK!

July 26, 2011 at 11:25 a.m.
Selah said...

Move2Canada...you fail to realize this...How did they get here? Who allowed them to come over illegally? They were USED and Were here making the White Man more money. Now what's the problem?

Maybe they are demanding more pay or asking for more rights? So the white man wants them to leave. Too late it is going to get interesting

July 26, 2011 at 11:31 a.m.
move2canada said...

The problem is people like you who stand up for these people and blame others. I feel absolutely no sympathy. They didn't look to upset with full carts of food and swiping their food stamp cards. They don't look to upset at the hospitals with their free healthcare. Obvioulsy if you feel such sympathy you need to go back with them!

July 26, 2011 at 11:40 a.m.
eastridge8 said...

They (and their kids) also have no manners...I let a Mexican (I guess) in front of me the other day at Walmart because she only had two items and I had a buggy full and she never once said "gracis", "thank you","kiss my foot" or anything else...it was as if SHE was entitled to go in front of me...like I was SUPPOSED to let her...

Well, NEVER again! They can ALL wait behind me...

July 26, 2011 at 11:43 a.m.
Myopinion said...

Here are some additional things to consider. I know people who lived in nice neighborhoods. When a house came up for sale, someone bought it and rented it out to illegal immigrants. The house became packed with large numbers of people who did not take care of the property. Nearby neighbors managed to sell their houses early on, and those houses ended up being rented out just like the first one. By then, the only way anyone else could sell a house in that neighborhood was to sell it for a big loss.If they didn't do that, they had to stay in the neighborhood, which was like living in a poor Hispanic neighborhood. Those people's formerly nice neighborhood is now full of people who don't speak English, play loud music, have lots of old cars parked every where, keep chickens roaming free, etc. There are often American victims in the immigration wars too.

July 26, 2011 at 11:46 a.m.
Wilder said...

@Myopinion

What you are describing has happened all over Dalton, but it is never reported. It is a lose, lose situation - you either lose money if you can sell, or quality of life if you stay - choose your poison.

The real estate frinzy in Dalton, where neighborhoods were intentionally busted to generate new business, had many local participants, but they wouldn't have had the opportunity without the Carpet Cartel. You can still credit them for the entire mess, and it will spread to Chattanooga - already happening.

July 26, 2011 at 12:36 p.m.
Wilder said...

@silencedog....

You apparently don't know the definition of an analogy. Is English your second language?

July 26, 2011 at 12:38 p.m.
Selah said...

move2canada...why don't you take your own saying and "move 2 Canada". Your angry posts suggest that you need a change.

July 26, 2011 at 12:39 p.m.
observer279 said...

eastridge... What you are describing is most likely a simple cultural difference. I'd almost guarentee you it had nothing to do with manners or a lack of. Glad to see your one experience has made you dismiss your "manners" though.

July 26, 2011 at 12:54 p.m.
Mamabear said...

Anyone who claims that adopting any child from a foreign country is un-chrisitan is someone who is crazy & prejudice. I think you over step the bounds of decency. People who complain about others adopting internationally have never adopted period & only love themselves and their own finances. Miss Potcat you should keep your slimy opinions to yourself.

July 26, 2011 at 1:08 p.m.
SilenceDogood11 said...

Wilder, you must be confused about the definition of "analogy", assuming that because the word 'comparison' is used in its definition that any and all comparisons must in return also be analogies. I can't help you here but please don't stop posting, I think I'm really close to changing your mind about this entire issue as you're clearly open minded and appreciate things like perspective.

July 26, 2011 at 1:12 p.m.
Mamabear said...

I agree with Seiah and move2canada needs to MOVE to Canada. I am white middle class and am sick of hearing/reading such hate for people. Have some sympathy. You could have been born in a third world country. What would you have done then? It is almost impossible for these people to get a legal visa. The U.S. takes their hard earned money for a visa application and then turns them down without telling them why. I know I have seen this with my own eyes. The U.S. is making money off the poor in these countries. Just be grateful you were born here and stop bashing the hispanics. Americans should be more concerned with all the Muslims that are legally being let into our country. The Muslims hate us. At least the Hispanics want to be here and are not trying to kill American christians.

July 26, 2011 at 1:17 p.m.
pokesallet said...

Of course they are increasing as the number of illegals increases. The problem is that they arent increasing nearly as fast as they have to to keep up with the onslaught of criminal aliens that are sucking this country dry. Just another article meant to try and decieve American citizens into thinking the feds are actually doing their job.

July 26, 2011 at 1:46 p.m.
move2canada said...

Mamabear you obviously need to come out of hybernation and wake up. You contradict yourself in your own post! You don't think the muslims are coming here from third world countries? you need to wake up. As far as moving to Canada.. I would love to, but they are strict and unlike the good old USA you can't just walk on in and get everything for free. They make you learn their culture, they make you learn French and you better have at least 10k per family member before coming in. Obviously they have it together or our President wouldn't have gone there for advice HELLOOO..... you need to read something more than a chattanooga paper honey there is a real world out there.

July 26, 2011 at 1:59 p.m.
observer279 said...

move2canada wrote: they make you learn French

Huh. Being that not all provinces speak French, this is misinforming. Those that do, most speak English primary. They do immigration on a point system and I'm sure knowing French would raise your score... its not required.

July 26, 2011 at 2:15 p.m.
Myopinion said...

Back in the days when all immigrants were welcomed to America, the country was mostly unsettled woods and plains. People could come here, stake a claim to some land, and support themselves with their own farmstead. The reason there are immigration quotas these days is because the systems that make up America in 2011 can't handle large numbers of people outside the sytems moving in and using them. A lot of illegal immigrants get paid cash. They don't pay any taxes on this money. They often have large families, and their children use the tax-funded school systems. The children who are born here are eligible to receive Medicaid, food stamps, and WIC, which are also tax funded. Also, since most of these immigrants don't speak English, places that work with the public have to hire additional workers who speak Spanish in order to work with the immigrant families. Some of the immigrants come from countries that are politically corrupt, and what is considered "normal" behavior is different. Gangs tend to be more common in areas with a lot of illegal immigrants. This increases the burden on police, who are funded by taxes. It's popular to say that illegal immigrants who do pay taxes never get any refunds, but that's incorrect. Illegal immigrants can get a tax ID number and file to get refunds. In addition, they sometimes illegally claim extra children on their tax forms so that they get large refunds. If you think illegal immigrants (from any country) are not a drain on U.S. resources, you are kidding yourself.

July 26, 2011 at 2:41 p.m.
eastridge8 said...

observer279...."a simple cultural difference"???...get real! So, you mean they are rude and inconsiderate to their own people in their own counrty??

Well, THAT sure explains it all...

And for your information I will continue to "let" others in front of me if the need arises...at least I will get a simple 'Thank You". WHICH IS ALL I EXPECT...

July 26, 2011 at 3:24 p.m.
Wilder said...

@dog

analogy:when two different things share characteristics that lead to a comparison between them.

The shared characteristics in your analogy were Perla is a Hispanic reporting on Hispanics and Todd was in the military and is reporting on the military.

Don't know why I bother.

July 26, 2011 at 3:25 p.m.
Wilder said...

@ my opinion

Don't forget the 10s of millions they get in earned income tax credits, and the hordes of Hispanics who Reagan amnesteed, who still cannot speak English, and follow in the wake of the illegals.

July 26, 2011 at 3:33 p.m.
observer279 said...

eastridge: I don't think someone taking your offer to go in front of you without telling you how nice you are and giving thanks is being rude. And yes.. could very well be a cultural difference. Take an anthropology class. Learn and return.

July 26, 2011 at 4:10 p.m.
Mamabear said...

move2canada, get real, the Muslims have to have $$$ to be eligible for a visa (and lots of $$$$$). So while they might be from a third world country it is the RICH Muslims that move here. Also most of Canada speaks English. Only a few areas & Quebec speaks French. Apparently you are the one who needs to do some informative reading. Please do us all a favor and save your money and move to Canada. I have been to several other countries and can at least emphasize with the position these people are in. You have no soul and I think you need to educate yourself in several areas.

July 26, 2011 at 4:42 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Wilder said: “I have noticed an increase in the number of Hispanics working in the fast food restaurants around Chattanooga. . . A doctor in Dalton told me years ago that diseases like antibiotic resistant TB, are showing up for the first time in Dalton's history. Its something that you might want to think about the next time you go to the fast food restaurant staffed with Hispanics.”

For some reason, I've always thought that all food service employees irrespective of their race, color, ethnicity and country of origin were required by State Health Departments to have a medical examination as a condition of their employment.

If what you say is true and Georgia and Tennessee do not require health status checks for food service employees in regard to communicable diseases, I guess we are all placing our health at risk each time we eat in a restaurant. While I realize your main concern is diseases that you say are carried by Hispanics, I’m thinking in reality any food service employee could be carrying a communicable disease irrespective of their race, ethnicity and country of origin – even native Georgians and Tennesseans.

Indeed, if the States of Georgia and Tennessee do not require health status checks for food service employees in regard to communicable diseases etc., perhaps, the wisest, safest, and healthiest thing for us to do is to simply stop eating in restaurants. (Sigh)

July 26, 2011 at 5:02 p.m.
nucanuck said...

Canadians attitudes toward Americans is not to far removed from American attitudes toward Hispanics. For the most part, Canadians would rather Americans not immigrate north.

Canada is a country on the rise and Canadians are watching in horror as America writhes in pain and decline. Much of Canada's success relates to how their immigration policies have helped blend and build a strong multicultural society.

The people in my new city are literally from everywhere on earth. They have that special energy that comes with a new start in life. No one ever asks about your religious preference or critisizes in a confrontational way. If they disagree, they are more likely stay silent. Respect and deference is the rule, not the exception.

Canada will suffer as the US declines, but Canada is already quite busy preparing for life with a much weakened southern neighbor.

Taxes are higher than in the US, but even so the quality of life seems higher at the same time. Good governance does not come cheap. People don't have more money to spend, but the social and government institutions seem more stable.

The schools seem to do a far better job than the Hamilton County school system.

Most reading this would not be accepted into Canada as a permenant resident.

With thoughtful immigration reforms, the US could turn immigration into a boon for the country instead of the ill-enforced, misdirected mess that is now in place.

July 26, 2011 at 5:39 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Wilder said: “Living in Dalton. . . I have heard first hand about the stacks and stacks of letters from the Social Security Adminstration that are mailed to the carpet mills every year, pinpointing employees whose Social Security numbers don't match, and those who work in that department have been told to ingnore them, and throw them away.”

If this is case, why haven’t you and your colleagues reported this carpet cartel’s illegal activities to the authorities directly? In the big picture, it seems to me reporting it would be far more productive than posting anonymous complaints on this site, especially since you have first hand information and the State of Georgia’s politicians, Dalton's local officials, and law enforcement agencies are eager to punish the culprits.

July 26, 2011 at 6:08 p.m.
Wilder said...

@ mountain

Tennessee and Georgia do not screen food service employees.

Having people who come from a third world country, rampant with communicable diseases, that have had no health checks, no manditory immunization requirements, and atrocious hygiene, is just who you want preparing your family's food. Bon appetit.

If you have good sense, you will survey the employees before ordering food.

July 26, 2011 at 6:11 p.m.
Wilder said...

@ mountain

You don't get out much, do you? The Carpet Cartel's attorneys have advised them that they have no obligation to verify their employee's legal status. Besides, that might just violate their rights. That is someone else's responsibility. Haven't you heard that line about 10 million times?

You and everyone else here needs to wake up to the realities of what your worthless politicians and the business sector have been up to, while you were preoccupied with "Dancing with the Stars"....

July 26, 2011 at 6:21 p.m.

The title of this article is "Deportations Climbing Year by Year", yet look at HER numbers. She obviously doesn't understand that "climbing" means going higher in sequence.

Perla has no credibility as a reporter and acts as a press agent. It makes no difference that she doesn't honestly report, her agenda is to act as the press agent for La Raza. The readers are just supposed to read and tell everyone what they read, whether it's true or not.

As to the TB claims, when they detected the rise in TB rates, they did studies to determine the origin all across the nation, health centers needed to know where this was coming from. No one will discuss the results because they think "illegals" will be targeted...unless of course you are white. Remember the attorney who flew to France? His TB was on the evening news - every channel.

"Promotores are addressing illegal/undocumented concerns and fear of deportation as barriers to seeking health care. Health screenings are encouraged as appropriate. For instance, high rates of TB are suspected based on national trends of immigrants, but health care promotion is needed to include testing and treatment targeting those in poultry production and high Hispanic employment sites." http://www.prosperousathens.org/files/imce/PROMOTORES_DE_SALUD_INITIATIVE_7-13.pdf

So, raise your hand if your child had to be tested at school for TB due to coming in contact with someone who had the disease.

July 26, 2011 at 6:41 p.m.
Wilder said...

@ hispanics against

Since 2001, 70 percent or more of new TB patients have been foreign-born residents of the county. The October 2008 Georgia Epidemiology Report cited Gwinnett's booming population and high concentration of immigrants from countries in which TB is endemic as the major hurdles to eliminating the infection in the county.

In 2010, the East Metro district of the Georgia Department of Community Health, which covers Gwinnett, Newton and Rockdale counties, saw 65 new cases of TB. Fifty-six of those were in Gwinnett County, making the county second in the state for new TB cases between DeKalb's 86 cases and Fulton's 51. These three most populous counties in the state alternate among the top three spots each year.

talkgwinnett.net

July 26, 2011 at 7:21 p.m.

@Wilder, "immigrants" are given health tests prior to coming into the country in order to insure the health of our nation. "Illegal aliens" are not. The term "foreign born residents" is inclusive of all immigrants, legal and illegal, when the problem lies with those who sneak across the border, a very specific segment of the population. Not only are we exposed to serious health risks, we are also forced to bear the costs of their health care, as well as our own families.

July 26, 2011 at 7:36 p.m.
Myopinion said...

Whether people completely understand it or not, the reason for so many illegal immigrants in this area is due almost entirely to the carpet industry. I have been told by more than one person that carpet industry personnel actively recruited workers from places like Mexico. When the illegal workers showed up in Dalton, the personnel departments told the immigrants where to go to get false documents. This was not done to help needy people from foreign countries. It was done because the carpet industry could pay illegal workers less money than legal workers. Once the housing boom was over, and the carpet mills started closing, the city of Dalton was left to deal with thousands of uneducated people who didn't speak English and no longer had a job. This has created a huge underclass of people whose American-born children are being supported by those Americans who are working and paying taxes. Also, when the farming industry complains that crops are ruining because illegal workers have been deported, people seem to forget that there are ways for migrant workers to come to the US legally to work in the farm industry. The problem starts when those workers stay past the return date on their visas and become illegal immigrants. If migrant farm workers would obey the rules, there wouldn't be a problem.

July 26, 2011 at 7:49 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Wilder said: “You don't get out much, do you? The Carpet Cartel's attorneys have advised them that they have no obligation to verify their employee's legal status & “I have heard first hand about the stacks and stacks of letters from the Social Security Adminstration that are mailed to the carpet mills every year, pinpointing employees whose Social Security numbers don't match, and those who work in that department have been told to ingnore them, and throw them away.”

I’m not worldly traveler, but I do get around a bit and have a little knowledge and experience in regard to the responsibilities of employers. As to your comment about the attorney’s advice to this alleged carpet cartel, I’m not sure why you think this is relevant when it comes to your own actions in the matter. Indeed, their attorney is correct in regard to an employer’s initial responsibilities, but If an employer has knowingly hired an unauthorized alien, the employer can be held responsibe. If this carpet cartel has as you say received “stacks and stacks of letters from the Social Security Adminstration” pinpointing employees whose Social Security numbers don't match it strongly suggests that this employer is very aware of the situation:

"All employers are required to complete a Form I-9 for each employee hired in the United States. . . If an employer properly completes the Form 1-9 and the Department of Homeland Security subsequently discovers that the employee is not actually authorized to work, the employer cannot be charged with a verification violation because it will have a good faith defense against the imposition of employer sanctions penalties for knowingly hiring an unauthorized alien, unless the government can show that you had knowledge of the unauthorized status of the employee. As for the authenticity of documents presented to the employer, the employer must examine the document(s) and if they reasonably appear on their face to be genuine and to relate to the person presenting them, you must accept them. Also, employees must present original documents, no photocopies."

http://www.sabusinesslaw.com/newsletters/employment_law/immigration_spr08.

July 26, 2011 at 8:03 p.m.
TSCinSFO said...

Mamabear....Americans should be more concerned with all the Muslims that are legally being let into our country. The Muslims hate us. At least the Hispanics want to be here and are not trying to kill American christians.

You think Hispanics like us??? Hispanics, especially Mexicans, HATE Americans. Even their schools down there teach their kids that the reason they live in poverty and their lives are miserable is because of America. I speak Spanish and I overhear their conversations. Believe me when I say they LOATH Americans and they know very well how to use us and our welfare system against us. And if you don't think they want to kill us your brain dead. They would love nothing more than to run us out of our own country and overpopulating us with anchor babies is one of their goals to achieve that.

July 26, 2011 at 8:15 p.m.

The farming industry doesn't tell folks that they can have an UNLIMITED number of workers, but they must provide them decent housing, and fair wages. And only 2% of the illegal aliens in the country work on farms. But that doesn't fit with their "doing the jobs American's won't" slogans, so they don't want to focus on that.

The majority work in construction and service industries which have literally put Americans and legal immigrants out of work. (we won't talk about the drug cartels who are profiting immensely from the illegals who pay their way here by smuggling)

The law of supply and demand is what drives our economy. What normally happens is if there aren't enough workers, wages are raised so that workers will come. When wages reach a living level workers are abundant and wages level off. Instead, some industries like the carpet and poultry industries - decided to ignore the law, and we are all suffering the consequences now.

Illegal aliens need to leave. End of story. Perhaps Perla can hang out at the border and practice her counting as they leave.

July 26, 2011 at 8:15 p.m.
Wilder said...

@ myopinion

You can read all about Dalton's colonization, documented by this Hispanic academic from UCLA. Go to the link below.

The Migrationn Industry in a new destination: the case of Dalton, Georgia

...Recruiters became operative again in the 1980s and 1990s when the carpet companies - the most important industry in the city and region - enlisted Mexican workers in south Texas.....

Put a www. in front of the following link and toggle down to page 23:

diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/IMG/pdf/migrationindustry_mexico.pdf

More gory details about Dalton:

Read the background on page 3 of this link: Add www.>

ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200413740.rem.pdf

@TSCinSFO: Lumping all Hispanics together makes no sense. While I know that organizations like La Raza want everyone to believe that all Hispanics think alike, nothing could be further from the truth. Don't judge an entire culture based on the ignorance a part of a group. Remember there are American and legal immigrants who are Latinos and/or Hispanic, who are as fed up as the rest of the nation. We just don't have a press agent.

July 26, 2011 at 8:27 p.m.
Wilder said...

@ mountain

What you do not seem to comprehend is that the carpet mills in Dalton are currently filled with illegal aliens, and Dalton's local ICE office is fully aware of it. I have spoken to them personally, and they have acknowledged it. They informed me that they only do what they are told to do by their superiors, who currently take their orders from Janet Napolitano, and that is all I really need to say. Perla's sensationalism is just that. She knows her audience is clueless.

If you think that the politicians are on the side of the average American citizen on this issue, you are extremely uninformed. The lying politicians do whatever they have to do to remain in office, no matter who it harms.

Mr. Smith, from "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" exist only in the movies.

July 26, 2011 at 8:55 p.m.
Myopinion said...

@Hispanic

I know many wonderful Latino people, and my life has been enriched by knowing them. I hope that we will get to the point where Americans can separate the ethnicity of the person from the actions of the person, and resent the illegal activities, rather than the ethnic background.

July 26, 2011 at 9:17 p.m.
TSCinSFO said...

@HispanicAgainstIllegals said... While you might be right about that, the super majority of Hispanics encourage and condone illegal aliens being here only because of the fact that the super majority ARE Hispanic. The American Hispanics are friends and relatives of them, so they barely make any noise telling them to go home. I would say 25% want them to be deported, the rest want amnesty for them. If your an American Hispanic and against illegal immigration, you need to speak up. All we hear is LaRaza and MEChA demanding rights for illegal aliens.

July 26, 2011 at 9:17 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Wilder said: “Tennessee and Georgia do not screen food service employees. . . Having people who come from a third world country, rampant with communicable diseases etc. . . . If you have good sense, you will survey the employees before ordering food.”

It’s interesting the States of Georgia and Tennessee require vaccinations, immunizations, health records etc, for school children, but not for food service employees. As to your advice, I understand your concern about communicable diseases, but I don’t see how anyone can learn much about the status of anyone’s health using an employee survey approach, especially since the public seldom sees the cook and doesn’t have access to the kitchen.

July 26, 2011 at 9:26 p.m.
Myopinion said...

I certainly can't speak for the accuracy of this article, but I do find it interesting. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13863

Here is an excerpt from it: Behind the respectable front of the National Council of La Raza lies the real agenda of the La Raza movement, the agenda that led to those thousands of illegal immigrants in the streets of American cities, waving Mexican flags, brazenly defying our laws, and demanding concessions.

Key among the secondary organizations is the radical racist group Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.

One of America's greatest strengths has always been taking in immigrants from cultures around the world, and assimilating them into our country as Americans. By being citizens of the U.S. we are Americans first, and only, in our national loyalties.

This is totally opposed by MEChA for the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring across our borders, to whom they say:

"Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the notion that we...should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting pot...Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas ... It became synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the Manifest Destiny." (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3, 2006)

July 26, 2011 at 9:27 p.m.
chclvr said...

If someone knows of an illegal alien, why can't the "powers that be" check them out and make sure if they are legal or not. I know of one in Catoosa County that is abusive to the woman and a 19 month old who has a broken leg now because of this child abuser. Why can't the police just ask him for his green card or legal papers????????? Does he have to hurt the child or its mother again or kill someone before anything is done about him??????????????

July 26, 2011 at 9:46 p.m.
Myopinion said...

Beginning July 1, police are authorized to ask for papers if the person is committing a crime. If someone called the police because of domestic abuse, the police would be authorized to check for papers. At least, that's how I understood the new law.

July 26, 2011 at 9:52 p.m.
Momus said...

Wait...I thought this administration was soft on immigration!

July 26, 2011 at 10:03 p.m.
Wilder said...

@ mountain

Not talking about 5 star establishments. They are very visible and becoming more prominent in fast food establishments around Chattanooga.

I was in the drive through one day in Dalton, when one of the Hispanic employees came out the back door with the garbage on a cart, and stopped behind his car, opened the trunk, and began extracting from the garbage several unopened cartons of frozen food and depositing them into his trunk - he was so dumb that he did this in front of a dozen cars in the drive thru lane. I dialed the restaurant on my cell and told the manager, who promptly came out and caught him in the act. I haven't been back to that restaurant since.

July 26, 2011 at 10:07 p.m.
Mamabear said...

Very well stated Myopinion!

July 26, 2011 at 11:50 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Wilder said: “The carpet mills in Dalton are currently filled with illegal aliens, and Dalton's local ICE office is fully aware of it. I have spoken to them personally, and . . . They informed me that they only do what they are told to do by their superiors, who currently take their orders from Janet Napolitano.”

I dunno, Wilder, there is something about this that doesn’t sound quite right to me for a variety of reasons. For starters, the head of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is John Morton, and it’s hard for me to believe the chief enforcer of U.S. immigration policy has told City of Dalton’s local ICE officers they cannot act and uphold the law; then, there is the matter of these local ICE officers in Dalton sharing all of this with members of the public. Indeed, if all of this is true, what an interesting story this would be - a real scoop.

As for Perla, I think she’s done a fine job and found the articles to be very informative. To date, I believe I’ve read all of her articles on this subject and feel her approach has been very straightforward. I've yet to read anything that even slightly resembles sensationalism. The bottom is that this issue is very complex and it has been neglected far too long. Unlike you though I do not blame the refugees. I believe the fault lies with the politicians and our local business community members who have opted to hire unauthorized workers.

July 27, 2011 at 12:16 a.m.
Wilder said...

@ mountain

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a federal law enforcement agency under the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS)....

The office in Dalton is a house with no signage on Abutement Rd. You have to push a button to get someone to the door. I talked to a very personable young agent for about 30 minutes about the situation in Dalton. He told me that they were fully aware of the 1000s of illegal aliens working in the carpet mills, but they were not their priority. Trust me, it is true. You have a lot to learn about our government. It isn't a big scoop either - its common knowledge.

We have a very different definition of sensationalism. Perla only reports on one side of the story, and with bias.

July 27, 2011 at 7:28 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Wilder said: "U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a federal law enforcement agency under the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS)....."

Yes, and like I said, the head of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is John Morton.

Wilder said: "We have a very different definition of sensationalism. Perla only reports on one side of the story, and with bias."

Yes, I guess we do. I've found the articles to be very straightforward.

July 27, 2011 at 9:46 a.m.

@mountainlaurel: ICE, as you know is a federal agency, that has a chain of command. Are you aware of the "Amnesty Memo" that Obama just sent out? It orders the ICE agents to turn their heads. They have to follow the instructions of their bosses. Were it not for the unions who represent the ICE agents, this little tidbit would never have been made public, because they are forbidden to speak to the press (unless they are specifically given permission to do so) This isn't about ICE not doing it's job, its about ICE not be ALLOWED to do it's job.

July 27, 2011 at 12:25 p.m.

TFCinSFO: There are many latinos who are speaking out, they just don't get the coverage that LaRaza does. Senator Rubio from Florida has publicly spoken against illegal aliens. Of course, the illegal alien lobby is now saying "well he's from Puerto Rico and only Puerto Ricans like him". I think many people are behind Rubio- both Latinos and Non Latinos. "You Don't Speak for Me" is another...they are out there. LaRaza's federal funding has tripled since Obama took office, he has a LaRaza officer in his white house team, and he just appointed a 9th circuit judge - who is the sister of the president of La Raza. Money is what buys publicity...and La Raza gets LOTS of taxpayers money..that's why you hear only their voice.

July 27, 2011 at 12:39 p.m.

"The deportation of about 28,000 Guatemalans annually can mean a reduction of about 60 million Guatemalan quetzales, or $7.5 million, in remittances. The remittances — money sent back home from abroad — are Guatemala’s second-largest source of income."

While this sounds good, she doesn't point out that the wages they have earned are leaving our communities, and our country. Normally, the wages are spent in the community, which helps other businesses hire and keep their business growing, and the circle goes on. This loss of cash flow is detrimental to our local economies, who have higher costs, while the cash is flowing out of our communities and our country, potentially creating the very conditions here that they seek to leave in Guatemala.

July 27, 2011 at 12:50 p.m.
Selah said...

Racism at its best.

Have Americans forgotten that we came here as illegal aliens? The Indians were here first. We stole this land and maybe chickens are coming home to roost of a different kind??? Just wondering

July 28, 2011 at 6:11 p.m.
alejandro said...

The one caveat not highlighted in your article is that while overall trends in deportations have been decreasing, the exception to the rule is Guatemala. Since 2009, the number of deportations has been increasing. This is consistent with data just published by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detailing similarly that Guatemala is the only country evidencing a growth in apprehensions along the border:

         2010    2009    2008

Guatemala 18,406 15,575 16,395 (Source: http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois-apprehensions-fs-2005-2010.pdf)

The importance of these developments is that final destination points such as Chattanooga, TN and Dalton, GA will continue to remain important sources for the in-migration of Guatemalans in spite of the failed enforcement policies of the Obama administration. It also reinforces the need to devise a comprehensive approach to the immigration issue that contemplates mitigating factors and solutions in the sending countries.

August 1, 2011 at 2:42 p.m.
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