published Thursday, June 23rd, 2011

Shorthanded

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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blackwater48 said...

CORRECTION

On this site a few months ago I predicted that Newt would not officially declare his intentions to become President. I was wrong.

I thought media scrutiny into his 'fund raising' and life style would preclude any official announcement. You wouldn't need a microscope to find his flaws.

My favorite quote of his from this 'campaign' came from an appearance on Meet the Press. He said the bogus Paul Ryan budget plan was nothing more than right wing social engineering.

Beautifully poetic Newt.

And then the feces hit the fan. He hadn’t received the memo that ALL republicans had to support the Ryan Plan (why is that?) and so he had to quickly backpedal.

He said something like, 'If you quote what I said on Meet The Press you'll be committing a falsehood.'

OMG. What a twit. At his best he's a big fat pompous mound of ego driven amoral sludge. In the old days a guy like that would not get a chance to run for public office. He'd be tarred and feather and ridden out of town on a rail.

Heck, as the cartoon suggests, even his campaign walked out on him.

I stand corrected, but I hope he stays in the race for another year at least.

June 23, 2011 at 1:12 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Newt says he is opposed to abortion, but he should certainly abort this campaign in the first trimester.

June 23, 2011 at 1:40 a.m.
acerigger said...

Ha-ha Blackie,you under-estimated the narcissism of "The Newt". Why do you wanna beat-up on poor Newt anyway Clay? I know he's low-hanging fruit& he does deserve it,but [lol]

June 23, 2011 at 4:07 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Newt was old news before this election cycle even began. He was toast a month ago. The only thing good about this cartoon is that it is not another Palin cartoon.

Clay Bennett sucks.

June 23, 2011 at 5:13 a.m.
alprova said...

Big Ridge :Patriot wrote: " The only thing good about this cartoon is that it is not another Palin cartoon."

Why would it be? She's become old news too, and has less of a chance of being nominated by the GOP than Newt did.

June 23, 2011 at 5:26 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Newt may be too politically and personally liberal, and imploding, but give the man's resume his due. He was #3 in the country for several years, during which he brought in welfare reform and eventually a balanced budget, and the economy did not tank. None of the other candidates can equal that, including our President. And he's a bright man with lots of ideas. The Democrats these days are just saying "No;" their Senate hasn't even passed a budget in two years.

June 23, 2011 at 6:33 a.m.

Tenacity. Pure, unadulterated tenacity.

June 23, 2011 at 6:52 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Nice revision of history, Andrew. Newt may be politically and personally liberal... not hardly, this is the man who gave us family values as an important determination in voting. Problem is: he is a hypocrite through and through. Newt also gave us the Contract with America and the Gingrich revolution. This produced classic hypocrites like Zach Wamp who espoused one thing and did the opposite. Remember, term limits? Balanced budget and its surplus was because of Clinton. Yeah, he was a man of ideas, but most of them did not apply to him or his cronies, once in power.

This cartoon depicts the sole supporter doing all he can to support Newt, funny that person isn't Callista. Oh, no she is cruising at sea, laughing at that poor plebe who remains loyal to her inept husband. Wonder how long this marriage will last after he quits his campaign?

June 23, 2011 at 7:02 a.m.
alprova said...

Andrew Lohr wrote: "Newt may be too politically and personally liberal, and imploding, but give the man's resume his due. He was #3 in the country for several years, during which he brought in welfare reform and eventually a balanced budget, and the economy did not tank. None of the other candidates can equal that, including our President. And he's a bright man with lots of ideas. The Democrats these days are just saying "No;" their Senate hasn't even passed a budget in two years."

My how people love to re-write history.

Both sides were being stubborn in 1995, because Congress refused to fund initiatives that Bill Clinton had campaigned on. Gingrich refused to raise the debt ceiling. Clinton vetoed the budget. Then the first shutdown occurred.

Former President Bill Clinton deserves the bulk of the credit for balancing the budget beginning from 1996-2000, specifically in the 1996 instance where the Gov't was shut down when he defiantly vetoed the budget bill dumped on his desk by the Republican dominated Congress and Newt Gingrich, a second time.

Bill Clinton shut down the Government for a week or two and put Newt Gingrich in the back of Air Force One on a trip that the two made and then refused to speak with the man, who whined to a very unsympathetic press during that week -- the press went on to basically trash Newt for his childish behavior. Remember that?

After several temper tantrums by Gingrich, which led in part to his own demise in Congress, Bill Clinton made it clear that his goal was to only sign budgets that were balanced, that included funding for necessary items. He did the same for the next four years straight, ending the year he last held office in 2000.

Newt Gingrich of course, took credit for those balanced budgets until he was all but forced to resign his post in January of 1999. Newt's credibility was then and still remains in the toilet, which is why former President Clinton has never made a big deal over it. He came out a winner every time Gingrich opened his mouth negatively about him.

The fact will always exist that despite what the man has ever said about those years and what happened, Newt Gingrich was put in his place as a subordinate by President Bill Clinton at least twice, and about as firmly as if he had put the heel of his shoe on his neck.

He might as well give up today, because due to the actions by those who have resigned this week from his staff, his chances of going forward and having any chance at all of being nominated, just went to zero.

June 23, 2011 at 7:48 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

newt gingrich is non-factor....he's not going anywhere.

there're black clouds over this country that would make good subjects for cartoons, but bennett keeps pumping out cartoons to distract.

you libs keep obsessing about gingrich, who's dead in the water, and palin..who isn't even going to run. yet the liberal media made jackasses out of themselves by drooling all over her emails in a some desperate attempt to humiliate her. they ended up making themelves look like stalkers.

why not a cartoon about the massive unemployment rate among black men since obama came on the scene? why not a cartoon about obama's denial that there's even a war in libya when it's quite clear there is. why not a cartoon about his going around the war powers act? why not a cartoon about obama's attempt to use the thuggish epa to further damage the coal industry by imposing absurd regulations that will bankrupt them, and cause huge layoffs in this crappy economy?..not to mention his callous attitude toward skyrocketing electric rates that will follow.

and so much more...

you libs can ridicule paul ryan and anyone else who has an alternative plan to help our economy, but one thing is for damn sure...democrats have not freakin' solution except to spend more and more money.

June 23, 2011 at 7:51 a.m.
hambone said...

Now we hear that Newt had all these Tiffanys accounts.

That looks like some kind of money laundering deal to me.

June 23, 2011 at 8:20 a.m.

I want to know what kind of money Clay is contributing to Newt's and Sarah's campaigns so they'll stay in the race.

June 23, 2011 at 8:28 a.m.
dude_abides said...

SeaMonkey, you should try posting your thoughts before reading BRP's post. Then you could save time by saying "me, too. What he said, yeah that." Your BigRidgeCompatriot will approve. If Newt somehow had a snowball's chance of winning something, you minions wouldn't be hanging him out to dry. You think cutting your losses with Newt makes you seem impartial, like you think trashing "King George the Illiterate", the two term twit, gives you the middle ground when accusing Obama and his wife of everything under the sun.

June 23, 2011 at 8:35 a.m.
mymy said...

Want to talk about narcissism? A little healthy narcissism is good, but too much is not. A more current cartoon about a relevant candidate would be of the unhealthy type: Obama holding one letter I!

• Glibness/superficial charm • Grandiose sense of self-worth • Pathological lying • Cunning/manipulative • Lack of remorse or guilt • Callous/lack of empathy • Failure to accept responsibility for own action

There are more.

June 23, 2011 at 8:40 a.m.
limric said...

The twisted moral stances of the ultra-right never cease to make me laugh and/or barf.

Right-wing candidates are constantly wrapping themselves in the flag and declaring themselves Real Americans™ with a directive from God to crush the liberal menace and restore strict Christian values to the government and the people. God-fearing, homo-stomping, government teat-hating conservatives need a 2012 Presidential candidate who upholds and demonstrates their core values of fiscal conservatism, faith, and family first. There are many names floating around out there at the moment, but you have to admit, everyone’s favorite is…Newt Gingrich.

A man so passionately patriotic he can’t keep his flag-wrapped dick to himself. - while he’s married - to women who are ill. – while at the same time trying to impeach a President for having fun on the side..like himself. Yessiree-bob, that’s what we need to reclaim America’s former glory - President Newt, instilling good Christian values and keeping the country safe from Democrats with every adulterous thrust of his Red, White and Blue swathed presidential rocket. He’s Doin’ It for AMERICA.

Remember when he pulled that “patriotism made me do it” gem out of his hypocritical poop chute last February while being interviewed at CBN, or his attempt to whitewash his serial wife-dumping past with his defiant – “how dare you question my integrity” performance at the University of Pennsylvania, where a female Student asked him about his past..ahem, indiscretions. To which he answered, “I’ll bet almost everybody here can gather the thrust of your question - I hope you feel better about yourself.” Adding, “I believe in a forgiving God, and the American people will have to decide whether that’s their primary concern. If the primary concern of the American people is my past, my candidacy would be irrelevant. If the primary concern of the American people is the future… that’s a debate I’ll be happy to have with your candidate or any other candidate if I decide to run.”

OH, SNAP Newt slapped that Liberal Hobag with his Big Republican TeaBaggin’ Pimp Hand!

Newt sees stars and stripes and messes his pants from thoughts of getting all up in that sexy flag fabric… Barry White playing in the background, sweat pouring from his doughy old body as silky red, white and blue fibers carress his wrinkly, Jesus-infused naughty bits stroke after stroke while he grinds like Charlie Sheen on a coke-fueled hooker binge.

Need some brain bleach now? You’re welcome.

June 23, 2011 at 8:43 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

you libs are beating a dead horse with gingrich..he 's going nowhere...he's considered a hypocrite by most..he has zero supprt........he 's non -issue.

dude, what the hell are you talking about? cutting what losses? i say what i think about republicans or democrats......obama and his wife disgust me. bush's second term was an attempt to be liked by the liberal media and get along with democrats. domestically bush was irresponsible on the borders and spent like a drunk democrat.. gingrich is a pure hypocrite and i've never thought he'd ever be president.

i'm not impartial at all....i want as conservative a man or women in the white house as possible. you confuse telling it the way it is with some attempt to kiss up to leftist buttheads like you. not the case.

accuse obama and his wife of everything under the sun?....moron.... michelle, "i'm not going to waste this fabulosity reading dr. seuss to snot-nosed kids"/"we can't just leave it up to the parents' obama deserves all the criticism she gets.......she's leftist bully......just like her husband. barack, "feets", obama......is dropping in the polls like a brick in water...i saw a poll the other day that 7 out 10 people would vote against him now...and another one that showed a generic republican would beat him hands down..........

obama is a dishonest, fingerpointing, elitist, narcisisstic control freak. he sees himself as imperial and superior t han the average american who has to go through the drudgery of having to actually work everyday for a living....something he never experienced before being elected...or after.

how does that grab you , dude?

obama is t urning out to be a friend of the rich, which you libs hate so much, and an enemy of the poor...check out the numbers regarding unemployment among the poor...espeically black americans and others.........obama is purposely doing t hings to raise the cost of living..especially utility rates......he's a foul man.

June 23, 2011 at 9:05 a.m.

Bennett would not dare provide work that relates to our current woes of a slowing economy, continuing unemployment, and three wars. No, he'd rather remain a tool for The Whitehouse.

June 23, 2011 at 9:11 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

leftist jackasses like you, dude...who would fall on the sword for obama, are the ones who don't have a grasp on reality. you're stupidly loyal to a man who's clearly a narcissist and would dump all of you if it meant he would gain in the polls from it.

while michelle, thunderthighs obama, goes on her crusade to outlaw mothers from packing school lunches for their kids, and barack, chilli dog, obama, yucks it up and plays golf, americans are counting the days when this pathetic duo are sent on permanent vacation. which is fine with those two..

obama's fooling nobody, dude...he's transparent.

June 23, 2011 at 9:22 a.m.
mymy said...

How about a cartoon with political hack Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke holding a sign that say DAH or ?.

June 23, 2011 at 9:29 a.m.
mymy said...

How about a cartoon with a drawing of Obama entitled “Failed Policies” More Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week, adding to evidence that the labor market is weakening. The Labor Department says applications rose by 9,000 to a seasonally adjusted 429,000 last week. It was the second increase in three weeks and the biggest jump in a month. Applications have been above 400,000 for 11 straight weeks. Applications had fallen in February to 375,000, a level that signals sustainable job growth. They stayed below 400,000 for seven of the next nine weeks. But then applications surged to an eight-month high of 478,000 in April and have shown only modest improvement since that time. Companies pulled back on hiring in the spring in the face of higher gas and food prices, which cut into consumer spending on other items.

June 23, 2011 at 10:18 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

hey, everyyone.....it looks like the us. will fall behind india now to third place in trade. china is

1............let's hear for obama's leadership!

June 23, 2011 at 10:30 a.m.
Leaf said...

Intelligence for some reason in underrated in this country. If you are not highly intelligent I think that should be reason enough to not be President. Just because a person is very intelligent doesn't mean they always have the best plan, but an unintelligent person is guaranteed to not have the best plan.

In the current crop of Republican contenders, the only highly intelligent candidates are Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich. Unfortunately Newt has serious ethical problems, and Ron lives in an idealized and simplified version of reality. I just don't see anyone else who is both highly intelligent and who has also demostrated consistent good judgement.

June 23, 2011 at 10:31 a.m.
limric said...

Believe me, we are in for a presidential cycle that is going to go down in history as probably the funniest in history. The resultant derp sound bytes are going to be legendary. I can't wait.

Through all of it, just sit back and laugh (or cry) while Obama tap-dances around the Republican idiot savants. His smackdown of the birth certificate controversy was merely a foreshadowing of the things to come. This is going to be the political equivalent of a Harlem Globetrotters game.

By the way, I heard Herman Cain claims he invented pizza while growing up in Mozambique. Just where’s his birth certificate?

June 23, 2011 at 11:17 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

nov. 2nd 2010, limric....local, state and national wipeout for democrats.....and obama keeps on doing what he's doing..........records matter, and his is horrendous. anyone who has less money, has lost their home, has lost their job, is not getting enough work, has higher utility bills, pays more food, or voted for obama because they thought he was a moderate...will not be voting for him ...that's a whole lot of people.....

you leftistsstart off with the premise that a lefty is always smarter than conservative..watch out for someone like rick perry.......48% of the new jobs created in the united states in the last two years are in texas....

people aren't in the mood sophistry..they want to pay their bills and make money..it ain't happening under obama. people have always voted their pocketbooks....obama is toast.

i think the "uncle tom" approach to any black man who isn't a liberal is getting old, limric... herman cain is a man, obama is a child.

"smackdown"...hardly...yeah..trump came out on top forcing obama to cough up something..... not sure if it was real......nobody belives obama anymore.

June 23, 2011 at 11:35 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

while you lefties are eagerly awaiting all the clever political manuevers by obama, his team and the liberal media..and while you're predicting how obama's superior intellect and political in- stincts will wipe out any opponent.....the people in this country are hurting and fuming and are desperate to get someone else in office who has solutions other than wrecking the private sector and piling up more debt to revive the economy. obama will lose....people do not have the patience for fancy words, "soaring" speeches, slogans and attacks when they can't pay their bills. obama will lose.

June 23, 2011 at 11:44 a.m.
hambone said...

FrancisTrollMonkey, Nov.2nd 2010?

Where are the jobs?

June 23, 2011 at 11:56 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

RICK PERRY? REALLY?!

Go ahead, sea cow, hang your hopes on the Texas governor who has hinted that the Lone Star State should cede from the union. Was that a threat or a promise?

Take that pathetic school system - ranked about 49th out of 50 - and polluted cities and the drain on the federal budget for hurricane cleanup, flood cleanup, and wildfires out of control and hit the road.

And this is the guy who will lead America back to what you consider to be a semblance of international power and economic vitality?

Yeah, liberals ARE smarter than knot headed conservatives. Not all republicans are dumb. But the base seems to love the dumb ones so what does that say about you?

Give us a warning the next time you say something incredulous. I almost sprayed the screen with coffee. Wait. You already give us plenty of warning.

You just start typing...

June 23, 2011 at 11:57 a.m.
limric said...

Yea. Good question Hambone.

2010 was a repudiation of Obama and Democratic policies right? Well, the Republicrooks campaigned with a pile driver mantra of jobs, jobs, jobs right? What have we heard since then about jobs?

Yea huh - SUCK IT CONSERVATARDS!

June 23, 2011 at 12:30 p.m.
mymy said...

Last night Obama's speech re the withdrawal of 33,000 by Sept. 2012 against advice of the generals was to satisfy his left critics before the election. Today they announce another move to fool the people in hopes of lower gas prices. U.S. to Release 30 Million Barrels of Oil from Strategic Reserve "The Strategic Petroleum Reserve was designed for energy emergencies, not political convenience. Releasing our reserves to calm the market is emblematic of an administration whose energy policy is irrational and counter-productive," said Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., head of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. "The Obama administration's decision to release oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is ill-advised and not the signal the markets need," said Karen Harbert, president and CEO of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce's Energy Institute. "Our reserve is intended to address true emergencies, not politically inconvenient high prices. ... With U.S. crude oil production expected to decrease by 90 million barrels in the next year, the administration should instead focus on increasing domestic production to improve our energy security, reduce our dependence on foreign oil and create thousands of jobs," she said in a statement.

June 23, 2011 at 12:42 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

LIES, DAMN LIES, & STATISTICS

Mymy brought the issue of oil, so here's some information NOT from republicans, teanuts, or the U.S. Chamber of 'Commerce.'

"A new drilling technique is opening up vast fields of previously out-of-reach oil in the western United States, helping reverse a two-decade decline in domestic production of crude. "Companies are investing billions of dollars to get at oil deposits scattered across North Dakota, Colorado, Texas and California. By 2015, oil executives and analysts say, the new fields could yield as much as 2 million barrels of oil a day -- more than the entire Gulf of Mexico produces now.

"This new drilling is expected to raise U.S. production by at least 20 percent over the next five years. And within 10 years, it could help reduce oil imports by more than half, advancing a goal that has long eluded policymakers. "That's a significant contribution to energy security," says Ed Morse, head of commodities research at Credit Suisse."

Full story from FOX NEWS!: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/10/new-drilling-method-opens-vast-oil-fields/#ixzz1Q7SFiuTl

June 23, 2011 at 1:05 p.m.

That's strange, mymy. I thought the International Energy Agency said they were releasing the barrels to offset loss from the crisis in Libya. I didn't know the International Energy Agency was controlled by the U.S. government....

June 23, 2011 at 1:51 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

well....get obama out of there..and watch the confidence of businesses pick up like you wouldn't believe......jobs come from the private sector, in case you libs didn't know that. obama will veto anything the republican congress will pass...and you know it...he'll never let the republican congress ease any of the stranglehold the agencies he controls, like the epa, has in this country which are styfling jobs and punishing companies in the private sector.

see, libs, obama owns the misery out there...most people when they go to the polls will be thinking about how much milk cost, how much gas will cost..electricity, value of their homes and how fragile their jobs have become.

right now college graduates are not finding work and young people can't find jobs.

unlike you diehard obama supporters and marxists, most people in this country won't be thinking why don't the republicans create jobs, but rather what happened to the jobs after obumblhead took over?

and you know it.

good post, mymy..about the oil reserves....what an dumb-ass move....we'll get 1 or days supply out of it? ..gas prices will drop for a little while and the american peoople will be happy huh? how stupid do you think everyone is? when gas prices go back up and we have less oil in the reserve, then what? the market is down 200 points because of it.

what good is doing that if you attack the oil industry all the time and prevent them from drilling, and you try and destroy the coal industry?

dumb democrats...dumb solutions......like spend ingmore to reduce the debt.

and i suppose you're going to credit obama with developing the new drilling techinque himself in the whitehouse basement, blackwater?

people are associating the lack of jobs and the loss of jobs with obama...and he can't shake it. they're now thinking, and polls show it regarding the countries direction, that he needs to go and things will improve. he has nothing to brag about. he'll whine..but nobody likes a whiner.

June 23, 2011 at 2:13 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

except for government employees, virtually no one in this country can say they're better off, or this country is better off than it was before obama came on the scene. when it comes time to vote no one will care about obama's mythical "smackdown" of the birth certificate issue..or any other sophistry you lefties throw around on here regarding strategy. you're like monkies throwing their poop all over their cages...worthless......it only matters what people are experiencing out there. nobody cares about political games, only about how difficult it is.

obama is not clever enough to convince someone who lost their job that they didn't lose their job, and that everything is fine.

obama is not clever enough to convince anyone that he's a problem solver.

he's toast.

June 23, 2011 at 2:27 p.m.
mymy said...

The International Energy Agency unexpectedly agreed on Thursday to release 60 million barrels of oil over the next 30 days, half of which will come from the U.S., in an effort to lower costs after unrest in Libya and the Middle East crippled supply.

The 28 member countries of the IEA agreed to take two million barrels of oil a day from their emergency stocks over the coming months, marking the IEA’s third and largest release in its 40-year history. The U.S. will release 30 million barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, representing 4% of its historically high level of 727 million barrels.

Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/06/23/oil-prices-dive-as-iea-announces-oil-release/#ixzz1Q7s6y0Vr

June 23, 2011 at 2:41 p.m.
mymy said...

BW:

It’s an Associated Press article on Fox It is about new technology, but will Obama’s Policies let it happen? There are a lot of could and if in the article

June 23, 2011 at 2:48 p.m.
rolando said...

For a real, notes-free ad lib about our federal Legislature, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=...

Oh yes...that is a US Representative Kelly speaking and criticizing those inner-beltway idiots...

June 23, 2011 at 4:32 p.m.
Leaf said...

mymy, Obama promised he would start withdrawing troops by July and that's what's happening. The generals of course will complain because they always want more people to command. Now the Repubs are making noise because Obama's drawing down troops, but if he weren't, they would be complaining that he broke his promise.

The lesson is that no matter what Obama does, the Fox nutjobs will find something to complain about. So, the fact that they are complaining has no importance, like Peter crying "wolf," or skipping SeaMonkey's posts because you already know he's going to write something crazy.

June 23, 2011 at 5:11 p.m.
mymy said...

Thanks rolando and thanks to Rep. Kelley for trying to get through the thick skulls in DC. As we know, that's an impossible job. We need more young lions on both sides of the isle to replace what has been in Congress tooooooo long. More that care about the country than themselves. Here's a report about one:

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/charlie_leduff/detroit-neighborhood_john-conyers-house-is-an-eyesore

June 23, 2011 at 5:18 p.m.
fairmon said...

Newt should team up with Wiener.

June 23, 2011 at 5:31 p.m.
miraweb said...

Blackwater - I have to agree on Rick Perry. The last thing we need with gas prices where they are is another Texas Governor bought by Tom Delay's good oil boys Texas money machine. When is Delay going to jail? Still walking free last I heard, despite his sentence.

June 23, 2011 at 6 p.m.
fairmon said...

Why are so many seeking the office of president and when possible a senate or house seat? What incentive is there for those in office to act in the best overall interest of the country? Greece at one time in history was the world denominator as the U.S. has been in past years. Greece is now the in debt arm pit of countries begging the IMT and others to bale them out. They are being forced to face their debt problem or default and suffer the consequences.

Greece, Rome, Britain all former world powers that held the reserve currency for the world. They each reached far beyond their borders to encourage and assist others in mimicking their system. They each insisted there was no threat to their status, they were the greatest most powerful nation on earth. Sound familiar? Americans have a choice to make. We can reinvent ourselves and return to our founding principles or we can keep doing what we are doing and get the same results those in history achieved.

June 23, 2011 at 7:11 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

BRP says "Clay Bennett sucks."

Yeah, but like a dog back to its vomit, you keep coming back.

Are you not appreciated on the right wing toon sites?

June 23, 2011 at 7:34 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

blackwater..your last post is utterly worthless.......people are moving to texas, an overall conservative state..and fleeing from california...the liberal armpit of america......

blackwater...the public schools in texas suck..like all public schools suck all over the country. the blame falls directly on all those fantasitic public school educaTORS....

so texas is to blame for natural disasters?

obama made it cleary though..he'll only visit disaster areas if it benefits him politically ....clearly in texas he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning....

blackwater....you libs on here are ridiculous in your never ending attempt to prop obama up... it's getting harder every day..isn't it?

you libs have a lot of nerve putting down anyone else's record, given obama's is as bad as it can get.

i notice as obama's poll numbers drop and drop...you libs get more contentious on here.

it's not looking good for the jackass.

believe me, blackwater...they're not the only ones who'd like to secede from the union right now given the oppressive government and cloud obama has put over this country.

by the way...looks like eric cantor wants to push through a balanced budget ammendment.

what are the chances of obama signing it? zero.......you know why? because obama has never even balanced a checkbook before.........he's too stupid, as most liberals are, to understand that it's not a good idea to spend more than you take in.

but you libs believe as long as we can print money everything is fine.....

"i trust the government because they've never bounced a check" - alprova

astoundingly stupid...

June 23, 2011 at 8:34 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

as long as obama and you libs use the constitution and the declaration of independence to wipe your big, fat behinds with, then you deserve all the disrespect you get.

you stupendously dense buttheads don't mind autocratic rule..you don't mind despots, as long as they give you what you want. you don't really believe in a republic...you'd much rather have one person or a small group laying down the law....with no opposition.

obama, and the rest of you leftist terds, don't believe the constitution was written to protect us from someone just like obama, a bully who uses the government to push citizens around, but should be more about what the government can do to us...

you're scary and nothing more than a mob.

June 23, 2011 at 8:59 p.m.
Clara said...

Leaf, Thanks for the 5:11 post. It saves me lots of trouble.

I wish I could stop Monkey from posting. He drives me more and more to the left!

He's still harping on the birth certificate? Completely out of touch with reality.

Poo

June 23, 2011 at 9:04 p.m.
rolando said...

One of the Washington Post reporters -- another Pulitzer winner -- has come out of the closet and declared himself.......an illegal alien.

Makes one wonder if being an illegal alien is a prerequisite to win a Pulitzer and, if so, is it also endemic to newspaper employees in general?

Hm-m-m.

June 23, 2011 at 9:19 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Clay Bennett is about the worst cartoonist I have ever seen. I have tried to help him see the flaws in his work but he refuses help and continues to wallow in his pathetic partisanship. Too bad he has been given the opportunity to pollute the editorial page of the Chattanooga TFP. There is so much worthy talent. How did such a bum get his gig?

June 23, 2011 at 9:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

If you are going to do a cartoon on a lame, uninteresting topic, can you at least make it funny?

http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/glennmccoy

June 23, 2011 at 9:23 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Blackwater... I had forgotten about the secession threat from Perry in Texas. How would he explain that to the rest of the nation? "Yes, I said screw you all, at one point, but now I see we were made for each other." The nerve! I guess he thinks the 'Legion of Dumb' will rise to the Bush III occasion.

June 23, 2011 at 9:35 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Obama term two would be worse than Jimmy Carter term two or a third Bush. You clowns cannot find a worse example of a president than Barack Obama. Stalin would have made a better president, at least everyone would have known who we were dealing with.

There is not much we can do about Obama until 2012. Why does the TFP also have to torture us with this horrendous cartoonist, Clay Bennett?

June 23, 2011 at 9:47 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Maybe Woodrow Wilson was as bad as Obama.

Still can't think of a cartoonist as bad as Bennett.

June 23, 2011 at 9:48 p.m.
alprova said...

MyMy quoted in her post, a Republican amazingly uttering: "Releasing our reserves to calm the market is emblematic of an administration whose energy policy is irrational and counter-productive," said Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., head of the House Energy and Commerce Committee."

I see, but it was the right thing to do when GWB did the same thing, with the same oil laden crisis having been a problem for about as long as it has been now.

Isn't that special?

June 23, 2011 at 9:56 p.m.

Tenacity. Epochal, game-changing tenacity. All in a day's work for Newt. Gets no respect. Poor guy. His staff troubles are simply a glass-half-full or half-empty issue. The fact that he has ANY staff left is nothing less than impressive.

Tenacity.

June 23, 2011 at 10:15 p.m.
mymy said...

Our oil supply is for a major emergency and it would only be enough for 80 to 100 days and with what is going on in the world today we should hold on to it. It will cost the taxpayers a lot of dollars to replace what was released. Times are different now!

June 23, 2011 at 10:28 p.m.
mymy said...

I am as war weary as anybody. I was supportive in the beginning, but became frustrated with how they were conducted. If I could have had my way, I would have flatten the place, taken care of some business and got the hell out a long time ago. If the people in Afghanistan/Iraq couldn't take it from there and stand up for themselves too bad. The Taliban, etc. will be back in Afghanistan before the last soldier lands on US soil. They are about to take over Yemen and other Mideast countries where Obama encouraged the downfall of the leadership. As bad as some were, would be better than what takes over. My concern is when will there be fighting in our own streets with these radicals because they are here and more coming. They are patient and cunning. Can you imagine the possibility of that here? Politician better stop fighting with each other and do their job. Protect this country and start with our borders and soon. Obama should never gotten us into Libya. At this point stay and clean house a little more in Afghanistan then get out and don’t look back.

What is this man up too in the long run with all his bad policies? Nothing has helped the economy and they want to do more of the same!??????

We seem to forget the lessons of history and here is another history lesson forgotten: Why did the Roman Empire fall and are we headed in the same direction. Here is a good commentary on that:

http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/freedom-watch/2011/06/23/fall-american-empire

June 23, 2011 at 10:31 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "I see, but it was the right thing to do when GWB did the same thing"

I see this, “it was right for Bush so why not for Obama”, junk all the time. Are you libs now measuring the worth of your president against the president you hated most? Isn't that kind of like saying his $hit doesn't stink because, rumor has it, Bush used the bathroom also?

You Omama apologists are pathetic.

June 23, 2011 at 10:36 p.m.
rolando said...

Dear Leader's agenda for this country, mymy, is its complete destruction as a world power; to make us a nation of people dependent on government for survival; to force us into wind/solar power; to remove our national mobility and limit us to the length of an extension cord through gasoline cost; to destroy or own our industry, such as it is; to control our healthcare and thereby determine who lives and dies; to control every facet of our lives from eating to sleeping and who we live with [and who we don't]; to seize our guns; to turn us into a nation of sheep....and well, you can see where it is going.

He and his friends will live the elite, non-inclusive life, of course. Proving exactly who and what he is under the shellac of civility he shows the world. For God's sake, he cannot even talk intelligently without someone writing it down for him, muck less lead a country.

June 23, 2011 at 11:15 p.m.
carlB said...

SeaMonkey said... hey, everyyone.....it looks like the us. will fall behind india now to third place in trade. china is 1............let's hear for obama's leadership! June 23, 2011 at 10:30 a.m.


SeaMonkey, If you have bought manufactured goods such as shoes, to electronic equipment then you might be one of the people who needs to look in a "mirror" for helping the private global monopolies continue to get their name brand goods manufactured in China and the service related jobs and manufactured goods made in India. Yes, we can complain about the goods being made in other countries for the global corporate monopolies, but that has not stopped the US consumers from running up a $578.4 Billion dollars trade defict per year with these global corporations. If you think this started at the time Obama was elected President, then you need some tutoring.

June 23, 2011 at 11:36 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN OPINION

Sea cow spittled, "blackwater..your last post is utterly worthless.......people are moving to texas, an overall conservative state..and fleeing from california...the liberal armpit of america......"

Some people are indeed moving to Texas because there are jobs there. 20% of those job are in the category of 'Trade, Transport, and Utility,' (OIL) thanks to rising gasoline prices. Don't you blame Obama for the high price of gas? Then you should give him the credit for creating thousands of new jobs in the Lone Star state.

blackwater...the public schools in texas suck..like all public schools suck all over the country....

Texas is special. It is dead last in adults without even a high school diploma. They are also 49th in SAT scores, 44th in per pupil spending, but it gets worse. Republicans have revised social studies text books to fit their politically motivated - if historically inaccurate - agenda. The role of Thomas Jefferson, for instance, is downplayed, as is the concept of 'Separation of Church and State.' The new text books will also assert the Christian faith of our Founding Fathers. (One reason they're downplaying Jefferson.)

so texas is to blame for natural disasters?

Rick Perry is threatening to secede from the Union one day but begging the federal government for disaster relief assistance the next. However, that's not Rick at his hypocritical best.

Perry deplores the Federal government and denounced the Stimulus, claiming “We [Texans] can take care of ourselves.” Remarkably, even though Governor Perry's budget is $27 BILLION in the hole, he still managed to expand Texas government and create 22 thousands new bureaucratic jobs. How did he pay for it? By denouncing Obama's stimulus package one day but accepting $19 billion Stimulus dollars the next .

And if that's not enough, he was also George Bush's Lt. Governor. You might say George taught Rick everything he knows about governing. Thanks to Hurricane Bush, America lost around 20% of its wealth and was plunged into the worse recession since 1929.

Here's a campaign slogan for you: "Elect Perry. Let's get it over with."

June 24, 2011 at 12:28 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

sorry, blackwater.....won't fly.

obama hasn't created one job in the private sector.....you libs have to stop expecting the president of the united states or anyone else in the government to create jobs.....what they can do is get out of the way and let them grow. as i said...48% of jobs created in the last two years are in texas...that's a huge plus and you know it.

get it straight.....the government cannot establish a religion........that's all. never says god can 't be mentioned or anything about "seperation of church and state"

but it 's fine for you lefties to push your leftist agenda in schools...like your religion of man made global warmng...which has been proven to be a fraud based on corrupt date by scientitsts with a leftist political agenda....bogus......it's not a fact......in maryland you can't graduate from high school unless you pass an environmental/leftist test......

you lefties attack religion, or even those who just believe in the bible, but you have your gods.. the state and the enviromental movement......hypocrites...

perry never said the the goverment has no role....but when the government thinks they can push states around, as with the obamacare heatlh mandate....then the government has overstepped its bounds.......most conservatives believe the government has a role......disasters, protecting the country, maintaining things...collecting necessary taxes for that......but it has no businesses piling on entitlements and slamming tax payers to support them.....

no, blackwater..you moron......that's doesn't fly......remember now..bush isn't president.

nobody feels sorry for obama...nobody blames bush at this point...even if you what you said about bush is true, which it isn't.......at this point it's abundently clear that obama is clueless and only knows how to make things worse..that's the best scenerio...

it's also clear, bilgewater, that this mess was triggered by the subprime mortage nightmare which was a democrat party creation......that's where it started....and that's a fact..

his use of the epa to attack coal companies with the intent of bankrupting them, which will result in massive job losses and huge electric bills for everyone, illustrates that he just doesn't get it. he said this would happen before he was in office...and he's going to let it happen anyway knowing how bad things are.....

and what do we get from obama's team at this point.......call for taxes on small businesses and tax increases..........

not only is obama our most clueless president ever...he's also the dumbest.

June 24, 2011 at 4:40 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

the federal government's irresonsibility has created the mess we're in, not the states.

the government has spent too much, and under obama it has gone wild. the worst person to have in charge in this mess is someone who never balanced a checkbook and doesn't respect the american taxpayer.

i don't think this is a recession..i think it's a depression. when obama came into office it was a recession, he turned it into a depression. there were so many things he could've done to remedy this, but they don't fit his leftist agenda...so the hell with them.

you lefties want to transform this country and make the federal government the center of our lives.... no matter how much misery we have to endure.

obama has no empathy...and that's the way he comes across.........nobody wants to see him golf, wolf down chilli dogs, and listen to his wife tell us to eat more vegetables with her mouth full of french fries.

rick perry or anyone else is looking really good right now.

June 24, 2011 at 5:03 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Here is an example of the kind of real leaders we need today. Obama is the exact opposite.

http://townhall.com/news/us/2011/06/23/nj_assembly_oks_bill_hiking_benefits_costs

June 24, 2011 at 5:33 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I suppose this will cause alprova's head to explode.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/06/23/republican_source_perry_is_in

While Clay obsesses over Palin and Newt, real news is breaking all around him.

June 24, 2011 at 5:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

seamonkey,

You are absolutely wrong. Obama has added 162,000 federal employees and Obama care isn't staffed yet which is upteen thousand more. He didn't promise the new jobs would be wealth creating American goods producing jobs. He did say he would create thousands of good paying jobs, none better or easier than a cushy secure government job.

June 24, 2011 at 6:05 a.m.
alprova said...

Blackwater48, your post of 12:28 am was a thing of beauty. You're on a roll.

June 24, 2011 at 6:49 a.m.
fairmon said...

Newt is a history teacher gone astray and seems to have ignored the lessons of history.

A president or congress proposes adding a department or agency then congress approves them. These entities then take on a life of their own and grow uncontrolled. Congress empowers them to regulate, administer, levy fines, initiate litigation or in essence become a governing body beyond the three branches of government. Congress calls this abdication of their responsibility delegation. An incompetent self serving member is assigned over sight responsibility that assist growth and spending.

The federal government has manipulated state and local governments to become puppets to the federal government by using grants, incentives, matching funds and other tools of manipulation.

A business with several million employees is unmanageable with any organizational arrangement. Government is in an uncontrolled growth mode with congress, POTUS, the media and many citizens insisting on continued growth.

To see the America of the future study history. Repeat after me "it can't happen to us, we are different, we are the most powerful and wealthiest nation in history". Remember those words if you decide to study a little history.

June 24, 2011 at 6:53 a.m.
mymy said...

rolando: I knew the answer to my question. Just wanted to see if the lefties had a clue. LOL

June 24, 2011 at 7:04 a.m.
alprova said...

I merely want to point out that the Republicans have now been in charge of Congress for six months and for all their claims that they would fix that which is wrong in this nation, they seem to be all sitting on their hands and doing nothing. And some of you are so glib as to believe that more of them will be elected next November? That's funny.

Eric Cantor is going to be responsible for derailing the chances that the Republicans hold power in any of the three legislative branches. The senior citizens who bought into and who may have crossed the line to vote in Republicans last year are getting very nervous about what the Republicans are attempting to do of late, unsuccessfully I might add.

They have managed to work on the sidelines to scare the heck out of ordinary citizens through press releases via the GOP.Gov website, spreading utter lies so easily proven.

My stress has dropped so much since I have put at least four people back on the ignore list. None of you are worth wasting the time to respond to, as none of you ever adds anything new and original to any issue. You simply post links to your chosen site of lies and unproven rhetoric. TownHall? Puuulleeezzz. Fox News? Puuullleeeeezzz with a cherry on top.

Keep posting though, 'cause when you cross the line and post the stuff that egregiously goes over the top, we the "libs" as we are referred to so lovingly by you fine folks, will be there to straighten out the misinformation every time.

June 24, 2011 at 7:04 a.m.
mymy said...

alprova said... "I merely want to point out that the Republicans have now been in charge of Congress for six months and for all their claims that they would fix that which is wrong in this nation, they seem to be all sitting on their hands and doing nothing. And some of you are so glib as to believe that more of them will be elected next November? That's funny."

I believe Republicans have the HOUSE. The Democrates have the SENATE and the WHITE HOUSE. When they had it all, look what a mess they made. Could have passed a budget and didn't-you are funny! It is apparent you don't have a clue how bad things are in this country and it's Obama's doing. Know body can save you from your stupidity.

June 24, 2011 at 7:13 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "I merely want to point out that the Republicans have now been in charge of Congress for six months and for all their claims that they would fix that which is wrong in this nation"

That is a pretty stupid comment. The Republicans are in charge of one house of Congress. The DemocraTIC Senate and the DemocRATic president are doing everything in their power to stop reforms and vilify reformers, the exact opposite of leadership. You know this perfectly well but still you throw out the falsehood. You are a great spokesperson for Obama, just like him. Vomit!

June 24, 2011 at 7:19 a.m.
fairmon said...

Everyone should thank alprova for allowing us to benefit from his superior intellect. Different ideologies but he and Newt do share some personality traits. What would our ignorant asses do without the two of them to straighten us out if we disagree with them.

June 24, 2011 at 7:22 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I see on the front page of USA Today this morning that they are expecting a $0.20 drop in price of a gallon of gasoline due to the 60 million barrel release from global petrolium reserves. That's funny, I thought the left minded crowd here was insisting that marginal increases in oil supply could not have an impact on gasoline prices, no point in domestic drilling, right?

60 million barrels is less than the global ONE DAY CONSUMPTION of 85 million barrels.

June 24, 2011 at 7:27 a.m.
mymy said...

ALPOO http://www.drudgereport.com/ go here and read about Greece situation. WE are headed that way with Obama.

June 24, 2011 at 7:42 a.m.
rolando said...

I was aware you knew from your past posts, mymy.
I posted it so the Lib-Dolts can't whine that no one told them. They must be literally beat over the head on the subject.

June 24, 2011 at 8:36 a.m.
alprova said...

"I believe Republicans have the HOUSE."

What do you think Congress is?

"The Democrates have the SENATE and the WHITE HOUSE. When they had it all, look what a mess they made."

Hardly, but then what else is new that comes from the fingers of the brainwashed?

"Could have passed a budget and didn't-you are funny! It is apparent you don't have a clue how bad things are in this country and it's Obama's doing."

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we read it all the time by those of you who never add anything to this forum, and who never have a nice thing to say about anyone else.

"Know body can save you from your stupidity."

Witch, please.

June 24, 2011 at 8:44 a.m.
alprova said...

harp3339 whined: " What would our ignorant asses do without the two of them to straighten us out if we disagree with them."

If we were not here to straighten out your misinformation, you'd continue infecting minds with your kook ideologies.

It's not about disagreeing. It's about facts and the truth.

I'm sorry that you can't understand that.

June 24, 2011 at 8:46 a.m.
alprova said...

MyMy wrote: "ALPOO, go to drudgereport and read about Greece situation. WE are headed that way with Obama."

Not only is that a stupid statement, there simply are not enough people in this country that upset with President Obama.

You and those with your opinions are not any majority of people in this nation and the rest of us laugh at you on a daily basis. You're gripers and complainers, without an ounce of substance to support your idiocy, so don't think your posts are taken seriously by anyone other than those who are as off the beaten path of reality as you are.

Clearly, you are a student of Fox News, the most often proven network of BS to ever hit the planet, and a follower of the Guru Matt Drudge, who spends his day scouring the web for the most damaging material about the President and others, that he can find, when it is written by the most obscure people alive.

Your credibility is no more abundant than that of those two sources, that you quote in this forum frequently.

There's a big world of information out there, and most of them are loads more truthful than that which you seem to worship.

I suggest you at least attempt to open up your mind to something besides fluff pieces disguised as news.

June 24, 2011 at 8:55 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

INFORMATION PLEASE

Great posts, Al. It's hard to argue with people who insist, 'my opinions are firmly supported by what I believe.'

Anyway, for those of you who would like some perspective of gas prices, the Strategic Oil Reserve, the economy, &tc., I offer the following:

All of you tea bagging knot heads wringing your hands over releasing oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is hilareous. High gasoline prices were the result of oil speculation, not oil shortage. Speculators believed oil prices would rise because on unrest in the Middle East so they drove up the price.

From the Wall Street Journal:

“The Obama administration's decision to release oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is part of a larger action by the 28 member nations of the International Energy Agency to release 60 million barrels onto the world market over the next 30 days.”

Richard Soultanian of NUS Consulting said, "The IEA's announcement appears to be nothing more than a well-timed public relations stunt designed to punish speculators."

Read that again: “Designed to punish speculators.”

Americans usually alter their driving habits when the price of gas increases whether they want to or not. Every ten cent increase in the price of gas drains around $39 million a day from consumer’s wallets.

Our economy is consumer driven. Some may think it’s a tragedy that oil companies MIGHT see a drop in profits this quarter, but save your tears. Remember, republicans insist that tax payers give $5 billion to oil companies every year for absolutely no reason.

From the same Wall Street Journal article:

"Crude and gasoline inventories are above average, and crude and gasoline prices have been trending down for weeks, despite the loss of Libyan oil, which markets have already adjusted to," said American Petroleum Institute spokesman Bill Bush.

Obama is trying to help out the little guy, the consumers, who are bearing the brunt of our brutal economy. Good for him. If you TBKHs call it pandering for votes that’s your opinion.

Besides, if oil speculators are bitching about it, it can’t be all bad.

The information is out there. Let facts help you form your opinions. Please.

June 24, 2011 at 9:08 a.m.
carlB said...

alprova said, "I merely want to point out that the Republicans have now been in charge of Congress for six months and for all their claims that they would fix that which is wrong in this nation, "It's not about disagreeing. It's about facts and the truth. I'm sorry that you can't understand that. June 24, 2011 at 8:46 a.m.


Reply to alprova: It has already been shown that NEWT is just another arrogant, money driven person who has decided to stick to the Republican principles of destroying this Republic, putting it in an unbalanced condition where the middle class workers here are being depressed with the help of the "global corporate monopolies" and it's designed free trade which creates our trade deficit of $578 Billion dollars per year. This trade deficit more than doubled during Bush W.'s eight years. The facts are; There is proof that the Republicans do not want to this Republic to be strong. They are not interested in paying down our National Debt that was more than doubled during Bush W.'s eight years. But look what the Republican's strategy is and what the conditions of this Republic were when they were voted out.

June 24, 2011 at 9:42 a.m.
Clara said...

That $5 billion in oil is going to those countries that are in the mid-east to help us and who have run out of their own oil reserves.

We still have enough left over to see us through. This is oil the government has put aside as reserves, not the publicly owned oil company reserves.

I don't know the exact figures on how much oil either entity has, and don't have time to find out.

June 24, 2011 at 9:44 a.m.
limric said...

Well said carlB,

Free Trade and its calamitous effect on the middle class is an under or non reported tragedy. Free trade, membership in the WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA and host of other VERY BAD policies are the greatest impediments to our recovery and economic standing in the world.

The Republicans know this. Their obstructionism is part of a grand strategy, and at the moment, "What's bad for the economy is good for them." is working pretty well.

Ross Perot knew this. I knew this. I voted for him. We were conned. The rest is history.

June 24, 2011 at 10:15 a.m.
mymy said...

Clara our reserves are/was around 800 million barrels and would only supply us in an extreme emergeny, which is what it is for, 80-100 days. Not very long in the real world.

For all the Fox News haters: they are number one in ratings and their viewers are considered the most informed. Get over it. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/06/24/obamas-release-oil-reserves-just-makes-our-energy-problems-worse-not-better/

June 24, 2011 at 10:22 a.m.
Leaf said...

From mymy - "Fox viewers are considered the most informed." I'm sorry, but that's laughable. Who exactly formed that opinion, Joe Sixpack down at the Dew Drop Inn over a few brewskis? I'm lauging AT you, not with you.

Please. Fox is a joke in the news community. But, paraphrasing P.T. Barnum, "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the public."

June 24, 2011 at 10:52 a.m.
alprova said...

MYMy wrote: "For all the Fox News haters: they are number one in ratings and their viewers are considered the most informed. Get over it."

The ratings that Fox News boasts about is not a testament to their ability to be factual, truthful, or in any manner honest with those who watch that network. I too was one of the faithful until I began fact-checking what was disseminated by the hosts on Fox.

Perhaps one day you too will say to yourself, "You know, I'm going to start checking to see if what these people are saying is true. Is there something they are leaving out of the story? Is there something they are adding to it that is not correct?"*

Then you'll empower Google to take you to sources that will set you straight, and you too will one day wake up and understand that Fox News has a deep, deep agenda, and it is about as far as it can get from broadcasting "fair and balanced" news or opinions.

June 24, 2011 at 11:22 a.m.
fairmon said...

BRP said "I believe Republicans have the HOUSE." as he explained to alprova why the republican controlled house was not able to affect a lot with the administration and the senate being democrat controlled.

alprova responded; What do you think Congress is?

alprova, your brilliance. The fact is the upper house being the senate and the lower house being the house of representatives comprises the entity known as congress. Of course you are ahead of senator Schumer that referred to the three branches of government as the executive, senate and house unless you agree with him.

alprova ended his response to BRP with; "Know body can save you from your stupidity."

Let me be tactful in pointing out this may be more accurately stated as nobody can.............without challenging your self appointed status as the sharpest pencil in the box and TFP post valedictorian. We need you, some sources say laughter is good for our health so please continue with your post and massaging of your own ego.

June 24, 2011 at 11:22 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Leaf,

You lefties consider everything that is not progressive a joke so it is only natural that you would consider a news agency that is not biased to the left as a joke.

As far as underestimating the intelligence of the public goes... Is this the same public that should be universally allowed to vote? Do you advocate for universal suffrage even if you doubt the intelligence of the public?

June 24, 2011 at 11:30 a.m.
limric said...

FOX viewers are considered the most informed. Are You kidding? You are aren't you.

Not only are the victims of Fox News consistently misinformed, they are also:

-- consistently convinced that ONLY Fox News is telling "the truth", that all other media sources are lying, and that the handful of giant corporations that own virtually all of the so-called "mainstream" mass media in the USA are "leftist",and

-- consistently willing to believe crackpot conspiracy theories on the basis of no evidence whatsoever (e.g. those who unquestioningly believe that thousands of scientists from all over the world have perpetrated a "hoax" of anthropogenic global warming for the purpose of destroying capitalism), and who call themselves "skeptics" for believing this, and

-- consistently arrogant, belligerent, hostile and abusive in defense of their ignorance and in attacking those who are informed and who challenge their bizarre, baseless beliefs.

These are, of course, among the classic characteristics of a cult.

FOX news aficionados make the Khmer Rouge look like NASA when it comes to dismissing actual real-world facts and expertise.

June 24, 2011 at 11:30 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

i guess that's true, harp.....obama is the federal job king...

you lefties on here think all info. conservatives get is from fox news.....and conservatives get marching orders from fox news....... there was no fox news when reagan was elected..nor was there internet...and he was the closest thing we've had to a conservative president...

tim geitner, the tax cheat, thinks taxes should be raised on small businesses so the government won't shrink.

did fox news make that up? no

joe biden proposes to increase spending at this time.

did fox news make that up? no

obama promised coal companies would go bankrupt and electric rates would go up. obama said that before he was president. he's going to follow through on it.

did fox news make that up? no

somethings just are......some things are what they are, you libs....it's on the record.

June 24, 2011 at 11:51 a.m.
carlB said...

limric said... "Their obstructionism is part of a grand strategy, and at the moment, "What's bad for the economy is good for them." is working pretty well."

Reply to limric: I believe the voters are smarter than the Republicans think they are. When their actions against the workers are creating conditions to farther drive the spread in the wage gaps and greater than all the money is in the hands of a few who do not create manufacturing jobs here in the USA to balance the tax supported Public service workers then what is happening to the people in these jobs. It is part of their plan.

June 24, 2011 at 12:02 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

obstructionism? you mean like insisting on a tax increase when no individual or small business can really afford to take another hit at this time? that kind of obstructionsim?

you see, carl...geitner and obama have never really worked...i mean a real job. they don't understand what small businesses mean to this country. they've never run one, nor have they ever worked in one. geitner, by his own admition, never really worked.

obama has done massive damage to small businesses..they're on survival mode..and he doesn't give a rip.

no, limric...what's bad for america, is good for democrats/leftists/libs.......what erodes freedom and our constitution is good for democrats/leftist/libs....

once again...carl, 11/2/10 proved that voters are smarter than the democrats give them credit for. they didn't like being duped by obama. voters bought that he was a moderate of some kind. when he ran to the left like a jacksass after being sworn in, and tried to transform this country, they rejected him and the liberals in charge.

you libs have to remember that the rejection of democrats wasn't on on a national level, but local and state wide. it was complete and total ass kicking.

voters may not believe republicans have all the answers, but they know for damn sure obama and liberals are only capable of making things worse.

June 24, 2011 at 12:34 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

looks like the house just voted to dufund the war in libya.

even democrat congressman nadler referred to obama as an absolute monarch.

see what happens when you're told your whole life that your great and everyone owes you?

obama.....the spoiled and pampered child that wants to be king.

June 24, 2011 at 12:52 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

TAKE A BREATH

Sea cow howled, "you libs have to remember that the rejection of democrats wasn't on on a national level, but local and state wide. it was complete and total ass kicking."

Let’s take a look at how well those republican governors are doing and how thrilled the voters are with their slash and burn budgets coupled with tax cuts for the fat cats. Remember, these clowns campaigned about creating jobs, jobs, jobs.

Arizona: Brewer down 8 %

Florida: Scott down 20%

Georgia: Deal down 18%

Michigan: Snyder down 25%

Ohio: Kasich down 11%

Pennsylvania: Corbett down 15%

Wisconsin: Walker down 9%

The term is 'buyer's remorse.' People may not be infatuated with Obama, but they are getting surly about what's going on in their own States.

Take a special look at two key States, Ohio and Florida. The GOP cannot regain the White House without those key battlegrounds, and right now the voters are fed up.

Good luck.

June 24, 2011 at 1:10 p.m.
mymy said...

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1018071340001/taxpayersubsidized-website-attacking-fox-news

This interview covers both sides of the isle. What was done to a Republican organization should be done for the Democrat organization.

June 24, 2011 at 1:33 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

blackwater..you silly leftist clown. ........i stand by real numbers....you know, not speculation

11/2/10........that was real.

obama has done nothing since to improve his standing with those who are disapointed in him, nor with those who have been hurt by his attempt to "transform" us...

11/2/10......

obama's got nothing excpet the class envy card, the race card and voter fraud.....

if hillary challenged him in the primaries...she's take away the nomination from him....

and you know it.

"surly"...dream on......nobody will ever want liberals controlling the house, senate and white house again...never......obama will lose florida, north carolina, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, indiana, texas..all of the south..all of the great plains states..the rock mountain states..

he's toast.....

"voters are fed up"...yeah....what bull****......how ridiculous......what a hack you are....you continue this absurd democrat party good-republican party bad thing...how stupid...

obama has hurt everyone...dems and reupblicans.....

obama will lose because of his record......good luck to you

June 24, 2011 at 1:37 p.m.
mymy said...

Obama Administration interference in GM after it became Government Motors: Delphi salaried retirees complain that the Obama administration approved GM's decision to set aside $1 billion to "top up" the pensions of most union retirees, including those from the United Auto Workers. That protected them from losing benefits, but the same arrangement wasn't made for salaried retirees. Some will lose up to 65 percent of benefits, as well as life and health insurance. "There is no shared pain as far as the salaried workers are concerned," said Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind. "One segment was left to hang out to dry." Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said bluntly that Delphi salaried retirees got "screwed."

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110623/AUTO01/106230373/GM-bailout-ripped-during-House-panel-hearing#ixzz1QDUJxvGW

He takes care of his backers, doesn't he.

June 24, 2011 at 1:49 p.m.
alprova said...

harp3339 wrote: "alprova ended his response to BRP with; "Know body can save you from your stupidity."

I am quite sure that if you will look back, you will discover that those words were written by MyMy, and they were aimed toward myself.

Your response therefore is irrelevant because of your confusion.

June 24, 2011 at 1:55 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

JOBS, JOBS, JOBS

Morphed into the REAL republican agenda: tax cuts for the rich, dismantling public sector unions, privatizing social security, turning medicare into a voucher program, just to name a few of the highlights.

And now the GOP grand scheme is to shut down the government. Again.

It's no wonder you tea bagging knot heads keep attacking the President. You don't have a plan to stand on. Or to run on for that matter.

I'm still waiting patiently for one of you to show how trickle down/supply side/whatever you call it economics reduced the deficit. That's the core principle, right? Cutting taxes will spur private sector investment and job creation and more money will flow into the Treasury?

When has that ever EVER happened? And yet that's the one guiding 'principle' of GOP politics.

Keep living in the past sea cow. Reflect lovingly at the bait and switch election back in '10 all you want. Voters are fed up with republicans NOW.

June 24, 2011 at 2:16 p.m.
alprova said...

blackwater48 wrote: "I'm still waiting patiently for one of you to show how trickle down/supply side/whatever you call it economics reduced the deficit. That's the core principle, right? Cutting taxes will spur private sector investment and job creation and more money will flow into the Treasury?"

"When has that ever EVER happened? And yet that's the one guiding 'principle' of GOP politics."

Absolutely brilliant question aimed at those in this forum who think they are superior over others. Now wait and see if so much as one of them has answers it factually.

They have believed this lie for three decades and think that the Republicans have a handle on economics and jobs. I remind them for forever and a day that when this country had a middle class, an economy where men went to work and women raised their kids, and when everyone prospered in this nation, the Democrats were in charge of all three branches of Government.

Look it up. You'll have to get off the Fox News, Drudge, and GOP.gov websites to learn about it.

June 24, 2011 at 2:37 p.m.
mymy said...

BW: What Obama and company are doing is not working, only making things worse. We are in such a mess any idea is better than what Obama is doing.

I laugh every time he says "we/I" have created ........jobs. Government cannot create jobs except to increase government workers which he is very good at doing. Government has to create and environment for the private section to create jobs. Obama is doing just the opposite for his own wrong agenda for this country. Time for somebody else to try to fix the twisted mess we are in. The Republicans may not have all the answers, but they have ideas that can be debated, adjusted to try to help. The Democrats keep doing the same ole things after all this time with no improvement.

Business is sitting on their money in this environment. Who can blame them?

June 24, 2011 at 2:50 p.m.
limric said...

Mymy, Here is today’s GOP.

Deficits present a grave threat to our way of life -- except when Republicans are in power, at which point deficits are - well - deficit-neutral. This deep and abiding concern with deficits (under Democratic administrations) stands in sharp contrast to their relative indifference to unemployment, which they consider a luxury good consumed by people with too much time on their hands. All that whining is really annoying to lawmakers, lobbyists, who want to get on with the real business of cutting budgets, and who have more important things to worry about than people who, for God's sake, can't even keep a job!

Most things can be fixed within any two-year election cycle by an infusion of venture capital from the Chamber of Commerce, Wall Street, Big Oil, the Pharmaceutical lobby, or whosoever interests could be served or threatened by some piece of legislation. These firms now require a controlling interest of 51 percent of all elected Republican officials. The futures market for political votes seems to be the only market that is working efficiently in America today.

And the “Genesis” of all GOP beliefs -

Whatever ails you (whether budget deficits, unemployment, or vaginal dryness), the solution is tax cuts for the rich.

Writing new psalms into the GOP bible is….The Tea Party! You betcha!

Also known as the crazy wing of the Republican Party, they are so orthodox they can see Russia from they’re porch (even if it’s in Miami). Republicans in this wing have electro shocked the body politic into such stupidity and are so ill informed, President Obama may well defy political gravity and get re-elected no matter how often he acts just like a Republican.

The Republicans have NO IDEAS – NOTHING.

"Time for somebody else to try to fix the twisted mess we are in." YES. The established GOP - Hell No! You said "somebody else." I'm listening..................

June 24, 2011 at 3:23 p.m.
alprova said...

I want to be the first to publicly announce that we Liberals are in the planning phases of committing massive voter fraud come Next November, under the tutelage of George Soros.

We are planning to make sure the high placed electoral officials will make sure that Republicans will be purged from the voting rolls, the votes for Republicans will magically become votes for the popular Democratic candidate, and that there will be at least three Black Panther members posted on the outside of every potential Republican dominated polling place.

That's gonna be the cry come next November, you watch and see.

In the meantime:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/23/section-527-works-to-seat-liberals-as-election-ove/

That man is such a stud.

June 24, 2011 at 4:22 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova,

I stand corrected. Are you now clear that a reference to congress includes both houses? BRP is correct, republicans are essentially impotent with the executive branch and the senate controlled by the democrats. It is a fact with Bush's participation democrats increased the debt to over $7 trillion and have now taken it to $14 trillion since Obama's selection. There is no end to the growth in sight. I don't like the republican plan to reduce the debt but at least they have a proposal on the table. Democrats passed up their chance, in fact failed to meet their budgeting responsibility. They were too preoccupied with ramming Obama care up our ass and now selectively giving waivers to their favored supporters.

It is a sad situation when Pelosi and Reid are speaker and leader. That is not to say republicans are better. Neither party will be likely to offer much with the primary qualification being seniority.

It is sad people are frightened to even consider the possibility of people serving in congress not involved with or committed to either party. It would be refreshing to have someone in office with a level of commitment to doing the right thing long term for the country equal to the commitment those in or seeking office have to being elected.

It is obvious the community organizer we elected didn't have a clue what he was getting into or what a president could and could not do. That is evident with all the kept promises not kept. When you stand in front of the country and state emphatically "I will reduce the deficit in half" "I will close Gitmo within one year" "I will reduce unemployment to under 8%" plus many others that means you are either lying or hoping. Pinning your future on hope is not a good strategy or basic plan. When in one area of the country you tell people you feel their pain and you will return their jobs to America then travel across country and say to another group "in hard times those people cling to their guns and religion" you are a first class ass.

June 24, 2011 at 4:53 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova,

I have no party preference or loyalty. I would like to see a persuasive factual argument on behalf of either so I could feel good about the future of the country being inherited by my heirs. Why don't you try posting the details of the democrats plan to balance the annual budget and reduce the debt? What is their plan to have corporations invest, hire and create good jobs to reduce unemployment. What is their plan to avoid bankrupting medicare? What viable energy independence plan are they proposing? How do they plan to end three wars honorably?

June 24, 2011 at 5:08 p.m.
potcat said...

`` Its so typical of the so called conservative, so concerned with the DEFICIT. One little problem, it only happens when America can't afford the Republican POWER Party one more second or the incompetence of a Republican President that runs every thing from the economy to the basic tenets of the Constitution in the ground and America is on the brink of disaster.

`` Of course history shows , it takes a Democract to come in and try to clean up the mess. As much as these Blowhards on here try to distance themselves from the worst President ever "Bush", they were the ones who put him in power, steal it or voted the Manufactured rich cowboy, biggist spender of taxpayers money EVER. Lets never forget what the Republicans did to this Country and the unnessasary MURDERS of Americans and the many other nationalities of the world. We should never forget!

`` Look at this pitiful bunch trying to unseat the best we have at this time. American has at least a chance in hell that he will do the least damage in every aspect of policy and LIFE!!!

June 24, 2011 at 5:30 p.m.
rick1 said...

potcat said: Look at this pitiful bunch trying to unseat the best we have at this time. American has at least a chance in hell that he will do the least damage in every aspect of policy and LIFE!!!

Where has Obama leadership been on the debt crisis? Let's see he issued a bogus budget plan in February, and gave a debt speech in April that lacked any details. Obama then pushed the job of working out a debt reduction deal to Biden.

The CBO report made clear, we need immediate, and decisive action on spending if we're ever to get our debt under control.

Obama is a real leader alright, as long as he is on the golf course or at fundraisers.

June 24, 2011 at 7:04 p.m.
carlB said...

SeaMonkey said... obstructionism? you mean like insisting on a tax increase when no individual or small business can really afford to take another hit at this time? that kind of obstructionsim? you see, carl...geitner and obama have never really worked...i mean a real job. they don't understand what small businesses mean to this country. they've never run one, nor have they ever worked in one. geitner, by his own admition, never really worked. obama has done massive damage to small businesses..they're on survival mode..and he doesn't give a rip.


Reply to SeaMonkey:

"obstructionism" was not used by me. It was "limric" but I agree with his use of it. The Republicans used their power in 2001 to set a course when they made it a point of allowing the destruction of this Republic's strength. They could not wait to make sure that the Democrats could not clam to have nearly a trillion dollars left on the positive side and were not running a budget deficit even if the total National Debt was $5.3 trillion dollars.
When you can define what is actually classified as a small business under the tax laws and what type of small businesses that President Obama and Geitner have "done massive damage to," then we might have a more honest discussion. In the mean time you have proved to me that you do not understand what has happened to the "really small" businesses over a period of many years. All you want to do blame this administration while trying to convince the voters that because Obama and Geithner never ran a "Mom and Pop" they do not have any knowledge of what it takes to handle the finances of this Republic. Therefore, what were the conditions of this Republic long before President Obama was nominated as the Democratic candidate. "Your dog will not hunt" for what you are trying to clam. Yes, the use of "obstructionism" is is used correctly as to what the Republicans have done to hinder Obama' recovery policies.

June 24, 2011 at 7:07 p.m.
alprova said...

harp3339 wrote: "Why don't you try posting the details of the democrats plan to balance the annual budget and reduce the debt?"

Balancing the annual budget is not the main concern to the Democrats because there are still too many people out of work at the moment. Balancing that budget will come when revenues increase to a point that they exceed what is spent. That much makes sense to you doesn't it?

Taxes are most definitely going to have to be raised, and substantially as well, for those making a quarter of a million dollars or more. That would be a beginning to take this country back to a point where it once was before the Republicans began eliminating the middle class in this country.

"What is their plan to have corporations invest, hire and create good jobs to reduce unemployment."

It is not the responsibility of any politician to plan for any private business to hire employees That is the role of those who utilize employees in the course of operating their businesses.

If sales rise, so will the need to put people back to work. If sales are down, they lay off workers.

No politician on the planet can make a consumer patronize a business. In a tough economic climate, such as the one we are dealing with now, only the strong and those who know how to compete will survive. It's that simple.

People that look to politicians to provide jobs, under any circumstance, might as well turn your head back during the next downpour and drown themselves.

"What is their plan to avoid bankrupting medicare?"

Clearly, the rates deducted from paychecks are going to have to be raised. They have always been artificially low. Additionally, the Government is going to have to force providers to drop their prices to that which is equal to the actual service that they provide. Insurance companies are going to have to force that hand too.

"What viable energy independence plan are they proposing?"

That's simple. More nuclear energy, wind power, solar power, and the development of electric cars. They had the best electric car on the market one time, and every one of them were ground up into little pieces because there was no after-market sales opportunities to be had. The EV-1 was too good a product.

"How do they plan to end three wars honorably?"

Honorably? You can't be serious. The honorable thing to have done was to never have invaded either country at all.

We are not building any allies as a result of our troop level involvement in any of those countries and we never will.

Load 'em up and bring 'em home. We're still spending more than a million dollars a day over there and THAT is the number one expense this country has at the moment, and WHY we are about to pop over that $14 trillion mark, but no one who leans right ever takes that into consideration. It is the invisible expense, and now it's all Obama's fault, right?

June 24, 2011 at 7:12 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al wrote: It is not the responsibility of any politician to plan for any private business to hire employees That is the role of those who utilize employees in the course of operating their businesses.

Politicans can put policies in place which discourage businesses from expanding and hiring. Here is what democrats are doing to discourage private sector growth.

On Tuesday June 21, Teasury Sec Geithner said we need to have tax increases and spending to help reduce the deficits. A tax increase during a recession is a way to prolong the recession or make it worse.

National Labor Relations board suing Boeing over a decision to build a plant in S.C. because they are a right to work state. This nothing but the Government interfering in the decision making of a private enterprise, so who or what other private decisions are going to be challenged.

According to US News, "Two new EPA pollution regulations will slam the coal industry so hard that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost, and electric rates will skyrocket 11 percent to over 23 percent, according to a new study based on government data." So the Obama Administration has recommended tax increases and implemented regulations that will dramatically increase electricity rates.http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/06/08/coal-regs-would-kill-jobs-boost-energy-bills

As a direct result of Obama's gulf oil drilling moratorium, The Daily Caller reported "Texas-based Seahawk Drilling, the second largest shallow water drilling operator in the Gulf, announced it had filed for bankruptcy Friday and would be selling its remaining assets to Hercules Offshore." How many American jobs did the Administration kill with a policy that punished American drilling operators for the misdeeds of a foreign oil company? Will there be a shortage of drilling rigs as they move to other oil fields? http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/15/first-gulf-of-mexico-drilling-company-seahawk-files-bankruptcy-because-of-offshore-drilling-moratorium/

June 24, 2011 at 8:12 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al said People that look to politicians to provide jobs, under any circumstance, might as well turn your head back during the next downpour and drown themselves.

I agree with you on this we should not give out stimulus money like Obama and Bush both did and we should stop subsidizing all industries including Green Job subsidies.

June 24, 2011 at 8:22 p.m.
fairmon said...

I agree, load them up and bring them home. We had no business there and still don't including sticking our toe in the water in Libya. The military industrial complex is out of hand with no one willing to reign it in.

alprova said; It is not the responsibility of any politician to plan for any private business to hire employees That is the role of those who utilize employees in the course of operating their businesses.

This is accurate if government didn't intervene and interrupt those businesses. Government cannot and will never be the source of jobs other than their own bloated employment roles. Politicians have destroyed and killed the incentive for many businesses to expand in the U.S. Congress has favored some and punished others. Reasonable and essential regulations are necessary but grants, incentives, targeted deductions and other government intervention, unpredictable behavior and a tax rate that can and in some cases does result in an American business paying the highest tax rate in the world is the cause of the loss of millions of jobs. Business taxes and other legislatively imposed cost are included in the price of goods and services which is a way to tax those in the lower income brackets unfairly. Poorly developed trade agreements by both parties have had a negative impact. Some have survived in spite of Washington's poor treatment and abuse. Some businesses are poorly managed and I agree with those CEOs in a recent meeting that said the mistake many made was to hire to key positions without grass roots experience and accountability CPAs and MBAs.

June 24, 2011 at 8:55 p.m.
potcat said...

Repubs are what got us in the Wars "LIES" and the finacial mess that Obama had to try to keep America from another Great Depression caused by "Repubs" and again fixed by a Democrat!!!!

Delusional ricky Dick can't seem to accept the TRUTH!!!

June 24, 2011 at 9:13 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said;

Balancing the annual budget is not the main concern to the Democrats because there are still too many people out of work at the moment. Balancing that budget will come when revenues increase to a point that they exceed what is spent. That much makes sense to you doesn't it?

That makes no sense whatsoever unless there is a plan to increase employment. It is about as logical as a politician or geithner's contention that government needs to increase taxes and spending to improve the economy. There was no mention of increasing consumer demand with competitively priced American made products. No mention of increasing the demand for construction work by the 20% unemployed construction workers.

The tax system should be so simple there would be no need for an H&R Block or software or an accountant to complete personal taxes. Eliminate the need for a corporation to have a large accounting organization to keep up with tax laws and opportunities. The only need and requirement should be an audit by a reputable independent accounting firm to assure taxes due are being accurately reported and paid.

The best proposal, the fairest and most stimulative would be the Fair Tax proposal. Pass as proposed and it would be so transparent it would scare hell out of politicians.

June 24, 2011 at 9:21 p.m.
rick1 said...

potcat instead of calling me Delusional rick Dick, why don't you take to time to educate yourself on the financial mess. Recently published book "Reckless Endangerment by New York Times reporter, Gretchen Morgenson, Financial Analyst Joshua Rosner lay out the facts of what caused the financial crisis. I know you will not believe it because it does lays blame on the democracts with Fannie and Freddie. Read how former Fannie CEO Jim Johnson who was a former adviser to Mondale and Kerry amassed a personal fortune estimated at $100 million during his nine years as CEO of Fannie Mae. "Under Johnson," Morgenson and Rosner write, "Fannie Mae led the way in encouraging loose lending practices among the banks whose loans the company bought. A Pied Piper of the financial sector, Johnson led both the private and public sectors down a path that led directly to the credit crisis of 2008."

Fannie Mae lied about its profits, intimidated adversaries, bought off members of Congress with lavish contributions, hired (and thereby co-opted) academics, purchased political ads (through its foundation) and stacked congressional hearings with friendly bankers, community activists and advocacy groups (including ACORN). Fannie Mae also hired the friends and relations of key members of Congress (including Rep. Barney Frank's partner).

"Reckless Endangerment" includes the Clinton administration's contribution to the home-ownership catastrophe. Clinton had claimed that dramatically increasing homeownership would boost the economy, instead "in just a few short years, all of the venerable rules governing the relationship between borrower and lender went out the window, starting with ... the requirement that a borrower put down a substantial amount of cash in a property, verify his income, and demonstrate an ability to service his debts."

Bush took us into two wars but now Obama has us in a 3rd.

If you want to talk about LIES, Obama lied to us when he took us into Lybia.

June 24, 2011 at 9:37 p.m.
alprova said...

Rick 1 wrote: "On Tuesday June 21, Teasury Sec Geithner said we need to have tax increases and spending to help reduce the deficits. A tax increase during a recession is a way to prolong the recession or make it worse."

Well of course for your statement to be a fact, it would depend on who was taxed. If you tax potential consumers who would are most likely to spend most of what they make, then you would be correct. If you tax those who are earning great incomes in this economy and sit on it rather than to spend it, then your statement is false.

"National Labor Relations board suing Boeing over a decision to build a plant in S.C. because they are a right to work state. This nothing but the Government interfering in the decision making of a private enterprise, so who or what other private decisions are going to be challenged."

Wait a minute. As one of the top ten United States Government Contractors, Boeing signed into agreement a long time ago to certain conditions that it must abide by, hence the reason that they are in hot water with the NRLB

They are hardly a simple private enterprise and haven't been for decades. Please refer to the NRLB for more information on this case, which is complicated. You cannot put the Democrats in the middle of this one for a second, but there are a couple of very prominent Republicans who are siding with Boeing, for obvious reasons.

Read the flip side to what you think you know about the case:

http://www.iam751.org/pages/news/51911NLRBcomplaint.html

"According to US News, "Two new EPA pollution regulations will slam the coal industry so hard that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost...(snipped)"

Look, the coal industry is dying. It has to. We must convert to nuclear energy because coal is a major polluter of the air we breathe. Setting aside the arguments about global climatic change, coal is about the worst thing that can be burned and discharged into the air.

I would imagine that there were lots of people who made buggy whips at one time in this country, and they lost their jobs, but went on to something different. In this case, those who work in the coal mines would live a long and happy life without ten pounds of deadly coal dust in their lungs.

"As a direct result of Obama's gulf oil drilling moratorium, The Daily Caller reported "Texas-based Seahawk Drilling, the second largest shallow water drilling operator in the Gulf, announced it had filed for bankruptcy Friday...(snip)"

If so, it's filing for bankruptcy for some other reason. The fact is that the moratorium was lifted more than a year ago. Read the facts for yourself:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/15/rick-santorum/rick-santorum-says-barack-obama-has-raised-stop-si/

June 24, 2011 at 10:22 p.m.
alprova said...

Rick1 wrote: "I agree with you on this we should not give out stimulus money like Obama and Bush both did and we should stop subsidizing all industries including Green Job subsidies."

You're putting words in my fingers that have never been typewritten.

Everyone knows full and well that for as much as they may disagree with it, many jobs and some good companies were salvaged for the good of this country. Yeah, some bad players were saved too, but the alternative result had nothing been done was worth it. No one in their right mind would have preferred to see the number of jobs lost that would have been lost had nothing been done.

Those that say that nothing should have been done obviously do so because they know that they wouldn't have been directly affected by those companies tanking. My response is simple. Thank goodness you don't make the decisions in this nation, and hopefully, you never will in the future.

June 24, 2011 at 10:32 p.m.
alprova said...

harp3339 wrote: "The best proposal, the fairest and most stimulative would be the Fair Tax proposal. Pass as proposed and it would be so transparent it would scare hell out of politicians."

This may surprise you, but I am a proponent of the Fair Tax, however, without a successful turnover of the majority of our long-time legislators, with those opposed to the current tax system, it will never be passed.

Our politicians on both sides of the aisle have too much fun using a tax system that discourages success by people, in their games of political football.

June 24, 2011 at 10:38 p.m.
alprova said...

Rick1, your digest up there is a fallacy from the word "Go."

Three former Republicans lobbied and got passed a bill to reverse the Glass-Stegal Act, put in place after the Great Depression, forbidding investment houses to own banks and insurers, and visa-versa.

Graham-Leach-Biley Act of 1999, and passed with a two-thirds, veto proof vote in Congress, set forth a nine year ride when mortgage backed securities set off a bomb in our markets.

Numerous Investment houses, with the ability to write mortgages through acquired firms that they were allowed to merge with, wrote horrendous mortgages without security precautions being part of the process. And why not? The investment firms sold them as valid investments.

Banks wrote mortgages through brokers who sprung up as glorified salesmen, knowing virtually nothing about mortgage lending practices, but who were eager to earn commissions on lending to as many people as possible, also eager to falsify applications as well. Those were also placed up for investment.

Add to this the advent and mass selling of ARMS, with time bombs written into those mortgages, and sold to people who only wanted to have a piece of the American dream -- owning their own home.

The payments were cheap for five years, then the bomb goes off and they can no longer afford the payments. Quite often, that was not disclosed to the purchaser, who also was quite often African-American as well. We've all read the stories, written by credible news agencies. Those mortgages were also sold and placed for investments.

All was well until the bombs went off, the home flippers couldn't sell the homes they obtained mortgages for, knowing that if the market changed, they would be left holding the bag. Eventually, the market dived. That began in 2008.

Suddenly, flippers were discovered. They walked away from their investments that they couldn't sell. Home prices dived. People who were disappointed with the value of a home that they bought with plans to sell short term, walked away from those mortgages. ARMs matured and people were evicted from homes they could no longer pay for.

And then a bomb went off on Wall Street and the houses of the Mae's. Why? Because they had been forced by the Gov't to purchase a great deal of the mortgages from the banks who dumped them, so that they could lend more.

The rest we have witnessed as a nation. I'm appalled that there are people willing to ignore the truth and facts, for a made up piece of fiction like the one you dumped in here.

June 24, 2011 at 11:03 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova,

Your 10:38 post means we do agree on one thing. I would like to see it advance but it is not likely. Charlie Wrangle actually stated in an interview on CNBC that he opposed it because it took away congress ability to manipulate the tax system for the good of the country.

Your take on the housing system leaves out the fact that Barney Franks and Chris Dodd plus the black caucus exerted undue influence on Fanny and Freddie to back sub prime loans. Of course Freddie and Fannie are major supporters and contributors to Barney's campaign funds. Increased oil prices precipitated and hastened the collapse. It is a matter of opinion how bad bankruptcy would have been for those taking the risk. It would have hurt some wealthy people including members of congress but the healing may be much further along. The eventual damage may be worse than would have occurred at the time.

June 25, 2011 at 12:22 a.m.
carlB said...

alprova said... Rick1, your digest up there is a fallacy from the word "Go."


alprova, very good post!

When the US consumers continue to buy the manufactured imported goods of the global corporate monopolies, it does not help create and new jobs here in the USA. The facts are that the more imported goods bought the more manufacturing jobs lost. President Obama has been trying to get this situation reversed but also has opposition from the lobblying US Chamber of Commerce. We need these private jobs back here.

June 25, 2011 at 12:45 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

DID THE BLACK CAUCUS REALLY FUEL THE HOUSING COLLAPSE?

Rick and Harp, I don't know if you guys are unwitting dupes or shrewd spin doctors but either way you are both WAAAY off in your take on the housing bubble that burst, Wall Street's involvement in perpetrating the scheme, and, finally, who is to blame.

Rick, did you read, "Reckless Endangerment?" Did you skip over the stuff about greedy banks or how regulators ignored the ‘warning signs of an imminent disaster?’ The book reported that the level to which Wall Street banks embraced and facilitated corrupt mortgage lending was stunning.

From the get go conservatives have been trying to scapegoat Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for Wall Street's collapse and the implosion of American banks. Economist Dean Baker recently stated that while Fannie and Freddie “got into subprime junk and helped fuel the housing bubble,” they were “trailing the irrational exuberance of the private sector” and actually lost market share to private subprime lenders in the years 2002-2007, when “the volume of private issue mortgage backed securities exploded.” - In a 2006 Securities and Exchange Commission filing covering its activities in 2004, Fannie Mae stated: “We did not participate in large amounts of these non-traditional mortgages in 2004 and 2005.” In the report, Fannie Mae also noted the growth of subprime lending and reported, “These trends and our decision not to participate in large amounts of these non-traditional mortgages contributed to a significant loss in our share of new single-family mortgage-related securities issuances to private-label issuers during this period.” - Additionally, Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld testified before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform on October 6, 2008, that Fannie and Freddie’s failure played a minimal role in Lehman’s demise.

If you put crap on this site somebody is going to fact check you. The saying goes, 'You're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.'

Harp apparently was just repeating something he heard that seemed to make sense.

But Rick deliberately misrepresented the book's findings. Fannie and Freddie were certainly part of the story but they were not the alpha and the omega. In the grand scheme of things, the kids were no more than an 'iota' apiece.

June 25, 2011 at 1:05 a.m.
limric said...

It never ceases to amaze me how out of one side of conservatives mouths comes the never ending chorus of, Less govt., “govt. is the problem, move out of the way and let capitalism work, tax cuts increase revenue, regulations are job killers etc etc.” Then, without so much as a deep breath they always ask,

What is their plan to have corporations invest, hire and create good jobs to reduce unemployment." "What is their plan to avoid bankrupting medicare?" "What viable energy independence plan are they proposing?" "How do they plan to end three wars honorably?"

The above questions are generic to all flake conservatives. Always asking what are the Dumocrats plans, but they ostensibly mean ‘what is government’ going to do. They want it both ways while disguising it with a front of indignation.


Great observation CarlB. I'm glad to see someone understands the trade issue - imbalance -deficit as a primary cause of joblessness. Quote: We need these private jobs back here. I couldn't agree more.

June 25, 2011 at 6:55 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

look, look, look...at all the libs trying so hard to make this administration and the liberal damage of the last two years not seem so bad. stupid waste of time.....here's how it's going to go down, those whose lives are crappier now than they were before obama and pelosi "transformed" us, will vote obama out. as of it stands now, there're a hell of lot more of those than the reverse.

there's nothing you libs can do about the reality out there. not a thing. your "man" blew it.

June 25, 2011 at 8:41 a.m.
mymy said...

To the nutty left: look who is behind the media that influences you and you fall for it hook, line and sinker. Why do you think he has attacked Fox News? Doesn’t want you get too much info. The slogan: HOPE they don’t see what we are doing and you are not. Check out Soros history! This man has brought down major banks and brought down counties. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/23/section-527-works-to-seat-liberals-as-election-ove/

“George Soros, delights in destroying another countries economy, as he has often been quoted as saying. Why, is he investing in over 30 media sources in the USA? What reason could he possibly have? Think about that access, and how beneficial it is to control them, and the news they report. The other question is, why does he have such easy access to the White House and the President? We, who love America, have to remain alert and aware that the, "Transformation Of America" that Obama spoke of in 2008, is starting to take shape. I have never seen so many of my friends and family, so concerned about their future and their children's future, under the present administration. Please, use your vote wisely in 2012, to restore America's Republic, not to bring it the Fundamental change That Obama and friends want.”

“Soros, Øbama and all of his liberal/progressive acolytes, Unions, 'Activist' Judges, Leftist teachers, professors and hate-groups, Enviro-nuts, State-run Media outlets... they all need to be cut out like the Cancer they are - before they succeed at killing their Host... Then we will have a real chance to restore our Republic to a land of true freedom and opportunity once again.”
Waiting for another day of the looney left comments. LOL Have a good one!

June 25, 2011 at 8:54 a.m.
potcat said...

~` ricky Dick, it looks to me that you need to EDUCATE yourself on some reading material other than "right wingnuts LIES".

`` "The Big Short" by Micheal Lewis shoud give you a start on the TRUTH!!!

`` I would never read such TRASH, it would be like reading " ANN Coulter" he Oh,i mean she is part of the twisters of truth and trash, the republican book writting publishing club, that ends up at thrift stores by the thousands.

~~ Frank and Dodd are sellouts, but they are just a little cog in the wheel of what the Big Bank Hiest that Wall Street pulled on the American people.

June 25, 2011 at 9:31 a.m.
OllieH said...

Bennett wins the Society of Professional Journalists' award for editorial cartooning... AGAIN!

http://tinyurl.com/657bspf

Congratulations, Clay!

June 25, 2011 at 11:05 a.m.
mymy said...

Limric ask: “What is their plan to have corporations invest, hire and create good jobs to reduce unemployment." Here’s a good answer for a starter:

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1021419297001

June 25, 2011 at 11:32 a.m.
fairmon said...

potcat,

the bank heist could only occur with congress approval and support.

To the question; What is their plan to have corporations invest, hire and create good jobs to reduce unemployment." "What is their plan to avoid bankrupting medicare?" "What viable energy independence plan are they proposing?" "How do they plan to end three wars honorably

Limric responded;; The above questions are generic to all flake conservatives. Always asking what are the Democrats plans, but they ostensibly mean ‘what is government’ going to do. They want it both ways while disguising it with a front of indignation.

Eat your cigarette limric. If the question and hoped for response makes me a conservative then so be it. I would like to see either party respond with:

1-Simplify the business tax code by abolishing all exceptions with a 20% tax on all profits. Regulate as needed and eliminate redundant and unnecessary regs assure fair competition then get the hell out of the way. QUIT intervening to show favor and trying to manage a business they know nothing about.

2-A good answer would be increase taxes and premiums to equal cost and consider allowing states to handle their own health care.

3-Any plan by either party would beat the hell out of what we have. Regulate as needed but access and maximize access to our own energy sources and provide incentives to the private sector with extended patents to pursue all alternatives with special emphasis on natural gas and coal. Competitive wind and solar and nuclear sources and an upgraded electrical grid will have to precede any significant expansion of electric vehicles.

4-Bring all troops home and strengthen intelligence, assure the ability to respond aggressively to any attack or verified threat. Accept the fact that collateral damage will occur and the offender may no longer be a country.

If the question and hoped for answers make me a conservative so be it and screw your liberal views. However, don't make the mistake of thinking I am or that I support the bunch of ignorant ass republicans. Keep defending the democrats whose ass you kiss. They are both self serving and seek only to be re-elected. You sound like Bush when he said something like you are either with me or against me and support the other side.

Who in office in either party would you trust to manage any business you owned and wanted it to be well managed and remain a viable business. Obama? Baehner? Pelosi? Rand? Reid? How do they justify adding 162,000 employees without the money to pay them? How in the hell do the republicans think they can reduce enough spending with no tax increases to balance the budget. Then the democrats are just as ignorant with their position to increase taxes and spend more to fix the economy. "GRID LOCK" may be the safest alternative.

June 25, 2011 at 11:39 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

carl..you silly leftist tool...obama's policies are not about recovery..they're about "transforming" us, and whatever it take to do it. you lefties aren't fooling anyone.

listen..all you lefites...you can post all the exhausting, well crafted, grammatically correct, link infused and perfectly punctuated arguments as to why obama has it in the bag and why he's not responsible for any problems we have, but it doens't matter. you can spew about the koch brothers, defend george soros, blame republicans, and ignore all fact, numbers and reality.

nobody out there give a crap. it only matters that nearly everyone's lives ,outside of those who work for the federal government, are crappier, harder..and their futures less secure and hopeful than they were before obama came on the scene.

that's what stands out.....you're not clever enough to convince anyone who has lost their job, that they still have one, or convince someone they're not paying for gas and food, when they are...

your not clever enough to convince all the employees in the coal industry that will lose their jobs after obama's epa gets done with the coal industry, that it's ok that they've lost their jobs because the air will be cleaner..and it's better for everyone.

11/2/10......means something....you dismiss it......but it has only gotten worse since.....

June 25, 2011 at 11:39 a.m.
potcat said...
June 25, 2011 at 12:14 p.m.
alprova said...

MyMY, you're credibility just got flushed down the toilet. You're quoting comments left on websites now?

I knew you were off in la la land, but that's ridiculous.

Joan C left that comment on page two of the comments section following the conclusion of the article. I knew it wasn't part of the article in question, because I posted it earlier yesterday.

I'm really wondering if you are a person with thoughts or opinions of your own? It doesn't look like it.

I've seen it all now.

June 25, 2011 at 12:33 p.m.
NoMyth said...

Even at the height of his popularity as House Speaker, Newt never was an electable candidate. Today, he is not even worth the press covering him...anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless about his political relevance.

June 25, 2011 at 12:47 p.m.
carlB said...

SeaMonkey said... carl..you silly leftist tool...obama's policies are not about recovery..they're about "transforming" us, and whatever it take to do it. you lefties aren't fooling anyone.


What are the private global corporate monopolies and the US consumers doing to recreate jobs here in the US to prevent another great depression­? We already know what the president'­s opponents are doing to hinder the needed recovery and push the tax paid Public service workers into the positions of not having any bargaining rights or representation where their jobs will depend on the politics and ideologies of the local religous groups.

The voters will have to decide who has done the best for the good of this country in preventing another “great depression­” when the private fraudulent financial systems and the loss of manufactur­ing jobs created by the “global economy” caused the 2007 deep recession which cannot be corrected in the short time. Are the Republican­s trying to help with any recovery problems or make them worse? It is the same Republican attitude as during the 1929 great depression­, go through another great depression­, weaken this Republic farther while letting the people "fend" for themselves after they have helped the "capitalis­t" force the loss of the middle class jobs. What kind of "transforming" actions/policies are you referring to? Do you not want everybody to have the choice of voting, working, and speaking out for their beliefs without being "black balled" because they go to the wrong "church" regardless of their abilities?

June 25, 2011 at 2:02 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

carl..what the hell are you talking about? all that leftist playbook gobledygoo you're spouting is falling on deaf ears belonging to people who are sick of the last two years under obama.

like i said, carl......nobody gives a rip out there about all you libs' sophistry...it's utterly meaningless and a waste of time. those who are out of work or are about to be put out of work don't care about obama's stupid-ass vision of a new america in which we all buy tickets to kiss his scrawny elitist ass to thank him for converting us to marxism. screw your vision. move to armpitistan or where ever and work your magic there.

we are in a depression..........................we weren't in one before obama was in office. just because the liberal media won't call it one, doesn't mean it's not one. we are in a depression.

you can keep up the imbicilic mantra of republican bad-democrat good all you want...nobody out in the real world gives a rats ass. all they know is since obama took office their lives are crappier. they'll vote accordingly in 2012 as they did on 11/2/10

the american people are beginning to understand that the damage obama and pelosi has done is major and will take time to fix...if at all.

obama took a recession and turned into a depression by doing the exact opposite of what needed to be done at the time, but it was exactly what he needed to get this country moving toward his statist vision. he's a cold man who doesn't a crap about who's out of work or how high the cost of living is. his use of the epa against the coal industry is absolute proof.

we are in a depression, carl...get used to it. obama's depression.

the housing market is at great depression levels...the unemployment rate among black americans is at great depression levels...the underemployed in this country is at some ridiculous level.. probably 45%......

June 25, 2011 at 3:13 p.m.
mymy said...

ALPOO: I put in quotes. Never pretended they were my words. They are good comments. You are the one living in La La Land.

Here's something more up your alley. It is from the land of Obama with his buddies up to their craziness.

Speaking to parishioners at St. Sabina Church earlier this month, Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy (Rahm's top cop)took to the microphone after Father Michael Pfleger (extreme radical) spoke about gun control. Bet you will stand up and shout Amen when it is over.

http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2221691&spid=

June 25, 2011 at 3:44 p.m.
mymy said...

Question about Obama White House meeting and the Hatch Act. Will he start having coffees and sell the Lincoln Room like Clinton? Interesting list of attendees and I can assure you of one things he was not asking their advice about the economy. The One knows all and listens to no one! HUMMMM, who does that remind me of on this form?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57745.html#ixzz1QEviLouO

June 25, 2011 at 4:13 p.m.
carlB said...

SeaMonkey June 25, 2011 at 3:13 p.m:


SeaMonkey, "obama took a recession and turned into a depression by doing the exact opposite of what needed to be done at the time, but it was exactly what he needed to get this country moving toward his statist vision.

Reply: Do you not understand why the 2007 "deep recession" got worse before it was stabilized? Would you explain "his statist vision" I cannot relate it to anything Obama wanted.
Why did Bush W. and ST Paulson need the $700 billion dollars of unfunded money in September, 2008? I believe that you don't know what a "deep depression" is and what the effects of one on this Republic would be. I cannot accept what our elected leaders and the capitalist working together to cause the destructio­n of our middle class, creating a wide wage gap between our workers and upper 1 - 5 per cent who have control of the money. Do we have to have another great depression for getting our infrastruc­ture worked on?
The Republican­s are trying to create a “miracle” while sticking together in preventing the Obama recovery policies from working. The Obama policies have worked to prevent this Republic from falling into another great depression­. Republican­s are playing the voters “like a fiddle” in trying to convince them that since our crisis conditions are not 100 per cent corrected, by Obama, they want us to believe President Obama has been a complete failure.

June 25, 2011 at 6 p.m.
potcat said...

`` To balance the books is being pushed by Pitiless Republicans and accommodated by pitiful Democracts. America is a Plutocracy and the people whose interest are represented in Washington are the Wealthy.

~` Until more politicans understand - or remenber- what it means to be poor in this country, we are destined to fail the least among us, and all of us will pay a heavy price for that failure. "Charles M. Blow"

`` Republicans, oratorical Veneer of pretense to be serving the interest of the middle class is long gone, replaced by a handful of Patriotic, economic, and social Slogans that are transparent and tiresome to any one who has a Brain- - - but works quite well on those who do not.

~` As for Democrats (those that haven't sold out), most either lost, or never had the necessary toughness "got a conscience" and negotiating compentence, meaning they have lost the ability to be effective, or convince their supporter that they really will stand for the people and call out the wingnuts on what they are really saying and doing and then go tooth and nail instead of caving to the wingnuts.

~` Obama has set a goal of raising 1,000,000,000 for his campaign , he won't be getting that money from the unemployed or underpaid. He will be getting that money from the wealthy, in part for what he has done for them this past four years - a quick example: not prosecuting Wall Street Criminals - and what he promised them for the next four years.

~` Congress is the same: an incumbent rarely loses office and when he does, he quickly finds high paid employment in the business sector he specialized in as a "representative". Only the Naive believe this is a DEMOCRACY or that who we ELECT to represent us is important.

`` Historically, the masses of common working people carried the economic burden of the Hierarchy above them. We now have no representation.

`` Obama is sadly the only one in the race that will do the least damage, and believe this i am very dissapointed in him, and consider him a Fraud and sell out.

June 25, 2011 at 6:13 p.m.
alprova said...

MyMy wrote: "ALPOO: I put in quotes. Never pretended they were my words. They are good comments."

You made that post to look as if what was quoted appeared in the article you posted link to, which was more than deceptive. Comments from other people on another site, quoted no less, is about as pathetic as one can get when offering comments into this forum.

Again, are you even capable of posting thoughts of your own, or are you only capable of posting other people's points and links to articles?

"You are the one living in La La Land."

No offense, but you haven't really established yourself in this forum as someone to be taken serious. Link posters are a dime a dozen.

"Speaking to parishioners at St. Sabina Church earlier this month, Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy (Rahm's top cop)took to the microphone after Father Michael Pfleger (extreme radical) spoke about gun control."

Gun control is more than a little off the beaten path of today's topic and I would love nothing more than to discuss it, but only with people capable of making points on it.

I will say this much. The man lays out a good case for what he says.

Slavery, segregation, and Jim Crow laws were most definitely Gov't sponsored. Who can deny that?

Why is it so hard to understand that the gun manufacturers, the NRA, and the Gov't all are doing nothing at all to deal with the illegal guns on the streets across this entire country that are killing black and brown people every day?

I'm a card carrying NRA member of more than thirty years. I conceal and carry, legally. It's not hard to understand that the focus has always been on self-protection, but why is it that the manufacturers and the NRA have never had an ounce of concern for where illegal weapons wind up and who they kill for all the wrong reasons?

It's a legitimate question, don't you think? After all, these are human beings we're talking about. Is this more proof that embryos are all some people care about when it comes to people outside of their circle of loved ones?

June 25, 2011 at 8:43 p.m.
fairmon said...

bw48 I didn't say the black caucus caused the financial collapse. I am aware of the liar loans and over leveraged banks for which there has been no criminal charges. I was watching a congressional hearing when Bush and sec. Snow appeared before congress and warned them regulations needed to be enforced and that Fanny and Freddy were heading for trouble. Barney Franks almost blew an artery, spitting and sputtering and declaring F&F were in sound financial shape. Others chimed in including the black caucus leader and that dumb broad Waters from Ca. saying their concern was racially motivated. She has since been threatened with sanctions for attempting to use her influence to have TARP funds go to the bank her husband is an official in. I blame Barney Frank, Cris Dodd, the over sight committee and George Bush for being a wuss and backing off. I believe there was government complicity since there have been zero big name criminal charges with convictions. Actually I shouldn't complain since shortly after the hearing and a bad quarterly home report I did make a sinful amount of money selling bank shares short and buying put options. I thought Citibank would go bankrupt and they should have. Government intervention cost me but saved some rich people and several members of congress money that were and are heavily invested in the financial sector.

Notice how quick a settlement is reached when charges are filed or threatened. The banks and politicians want to keep people that get their information from the evening news from hearing the truth. It is not likely 535 people with a high percent of them not as smart as people give them credit for agreeing on and doing anything worth a damn for the country. Point a camera at any of them and they clatter like a goose and claim expertise on any subject.

June 25, 2011 at 11:40 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

EVERYBODY'S GOT ONE

Sea cow howled, "carl..what the hell are you talking about? all that leftist playbook gobledygoo you're spouting is falling on deaf ears belonging to people who are sick of the last two years under obama."

THAT'S YOUR OPINION

"like i said, carl......nobody gives a rip out there about all you libs' sophistry...it's utterly meaningless and a waste of time. those who are out of work or are about to be put out of work don't care about obama's stupid-ass vision of a new america in which we all buy tickets to kiss his scrawny elitist ass to thank him for converting us to marxism. screw your vision. move to armpitistan or where ever and work your magic there."

THAT'S YOUR OPINION

"we are in a depression..........................we weren't in one before obama was in office. just because the liberal media won't call it one, doesn't mean it's not one. we are in a depression."

THAT'S YOUR OPINION

"you can keep up the imbicilic mantra of republican bad-democrat good all you want...nobody out in the real world gives a rats ass. all they know is since obama took office their lives are crappier. they'll vote accordingly in 2012 as they did on 11/2/10"

THAT'S YOUR OPINION

"the american people are beginning to understand that the damage obama and pelosi has done is major and will take time to fix...if at all".

THAT'S YOUR OPINION

"obama took a recession and turned into a depression by doing the exact opposite of what needed to be done at the time, but it was exactly what he needed to get this country moving toward his statist vision. he's a cold man who doesn't a crap about who's out of work or how high the cost of living is. his use of the epa against the coal industry is absolute proof."

THAT'S YOUR OPINION

"we are in a depression, carl...get used to it. obama's depression."

THAT'S YOUR OPINION

"the housing market is at great depression levels...the unemployment rate among black americans is at great depression levels...the underemployed in this country is at some ridiculous level.. probably 45%......"

You can never back up any of your screwy accusations with anything resembling a fact. You just get flinging crap at the wall - like a sea monkey - hoping something sticks and you get someone to respond. Somebody who tries to persuade you with statistics or facts or accuracy, but they're playing right into your hands.

If somebody calls you a partisan you say you criticize both parties. Which is lie. And then you mock the people who are trying to exchange ideas with you or enter into a debate.

You're just a one trick pony. Make that one trick monkey, Francis.

I'm not mad at you. I don't think you're an idiot. I really don't care what you say or what you think or what thoughts spew from that swiss cheese brain of yours.

I don't hate you. I pity you.

June 26, 2011 at 12:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

Time to drop the "t" from Newt and get a subject that is relevant, he isn't. He is just an older wining Wiener. Pelosi was a terrible choice for speaker but voters could be confident she won't be involved in a fling. I don't think you could drink enough to make her look good and if possible that voice would still turn anyone off. I bet her husband would spend every penny he has to make sure she gets to stay in D.C. instead of being home in the great granola state.

June 26, 2011 at 12:47 a.m.
mymy said...

ALPOO:

Guns don't kill, people do. You carry a gun to protect yourself from people. Ask Your Dear Leader about Fast and Furious. What a stupid idea like all his failed policies.

I knew you would agree with Rahm's top cop. That was just a cheap political trick to buy votes, encourage racism and keep people divided. Something the Dems are experts at doing. Why is this going on in a church in the first place. I would get up and walk out of any church that crossed the line.

I could care less what you think Mr. Know It All. You may have recovered recently from some illness, but there is one you will never recover from: thinking The One is a good Prez and believing this country is going in the right direction with the Democrats! They consider you so brain dead because you believe everything they say. I don't believe everything either party says. These days it's choosing which is the least of the worst. I did that in 2008. At this point any choice other than O is the correct choice again.

So continue your trip into La La Land. My trip is into the sad future of this country if things are not turned about. I’m not alone by a “long shot” and that is growing day by day.

What I’m waiting for is the next Obama trick or lie to make things look like they are improving and many will continue to be fooled!

June 26, 2011 at 6:33 a.m.
SeaMonkey said...

blackwater......you need an enima. you don't like my opinion, tough crap. back up what i say?

all i have to do is look around me, talk to people, see what's happening to people and so on.

real life..you know, that place you libs ignore.

you're a big baby..."that's your opinion".....and you're only allowed to give yours.

i don't need stats, or links to prove america is a crappier place to live since obama and the libs did their damage.

11/2/10 is proof of america's disatisfaction....that's the only poll that counts.

deal with it, moron.

June 26, 2011 at 8:30 a.m.
rick1 said...

BW48, I did not misrepresent the facts you just can not except the fact that Frank, Dodd, Maxine Watters, Kendra Meeks support Fannie and Freddie and even praised Freddie CEO Franklin Raines when he was running the company into bankruptcy and cooked the books worse then Enron. Or the fact the Frank's boyfriend had a high level position at Fannie, and I notice you do not want nto address Clinton's involement or Jim Johnson's.

Al, I did not put words in your fingers. Sounds like you are back tracking on what you first posted. So Al what is it, does the govt provide jobs to all or pick and chose who they want to survive.

Al, you really believe the IAW Union is going to give you ab accurate account of Boeing? You are a lost cause if you do. So we are now going to have the President tell companies where they can and can not locate. Look for a lot of company expansion if the govt wins this one.

Al, dco you really thin this is a good time to raise taxes on small businesses when they are struggling and not expanding?

Obama did not lift the ban on deep water drilling until Jan 2011 not a year ago like you put in your post. Go back and re read your link. Even at that time they were only issuing 13 permits in Jan 2011 and the moratorium started in April 2010. So for you to suggest that there maybe other reasons they went bankrupt is a reckless statement to make.

I believe we should have more nuclear also but Obama wants to bankrupt the coal industy. What will that do to states like WV, Ky, Pa and others that produce coal. This is one of those industries Obama wants to fail and does not care what happens to the workers.

potcat, I gree with your post that Obama is a fraud. What I find interesting is that is what Seamonkey, BRP, Rolondo and others have posted and you have attcaked them for it.

June 26, 2011 at 10:54 a.m.
alprova said...

MyMy wrote: "I knew you would agree with Rahm's top cop. That was just a cheap political trick to buy votes, encourage racism and keep people divided."

He speaks the truth and from a perspective that you probably have never seen up close. Have you ever lived or worked in Jersey City or in the slums of Chicago as a police officer? Of course you haven't.

"I would get up and walk out of any church that crossed the line."

I shudder to think of the kind of church you attend and endorse.

"I could care less what you think Mr. Know It All."

I'm glad to read that. Because you could care less, it's nice to know that you do.

"You may have recovered recently from some illness, but there is one you will never recover from: thinking The One is a good Prez and believing this country is going in the right direction with the Democrats!"

That's a matter of opinion, and one that bothers me not in the least. There's more like me than you could ever imagine, and so few of you with your faces screwed up in anger all the time for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

"They consider you so brain dead because you believe everything they say. I don't believe everything either party says. These days it's choosing which is the least of the worst. I did that in 2008. At this point any choice other than O is the correct choice again."

I'm sorry that you have such a poor outlook of politics, but then it shows in all your posts. You look at everything pessimistically. I on the other hand am an optimist all day long.

"So continue your trip into La La Land. My trip is into the sad future of this country if things are not turned about. I’m not alone by a “long shot” and that is growing day by day."

There's a few of you around and for some reason, you hang around in here, but your posts prove that all of you are rude, negative, silly people with nothing positive going for any of you. You are great entertainment.

"What I’m waiting for is the next Obama trick or lie to make things look like they are improving and many will continue to be fooled!"

If you live in this area, you should be fully aware that things have greatly improved. That's not a lie. If you have been fooled into believing that your life sucks for some reason, then that is your problem.

You see, I haven't read anywhere in this forum, any testimonies about how President Obama has directly affected them negatively on some personal level.

All I read is hate and disguised prejudice day in and day out from the usual suspects. Never have I read one sustainable point of fact as to how the President of this fine nation has directly and personally harmed someone in a verifiable manner.

So who's going to rise to that challenge or shut up about something that we all know is not the real reason that they dislike Obama?

June 26, 2011 at 1:12 p.m.
alprova said...

Risk1 wrote: "Al, I did not put words in your fingers. Sounds like you are back tracking on what you first posted. So Al what is it, does the govt provide jobs to all or pick and chose who they want to survive."

I never disagreed with the Stimulus Packages, even those Bush set in motion.

"Al, you really believe the IAW Union is going to give you ab accurate account of Boeing? You are a lost cause if you do."

I'm more concerned with the way you set up that sentence. Your position clearly is that because the union has a side in this, that they are automatically lying about what Boeing did to them.

Did you read even a little or did you reject it immediately?

"So we are now going to have the President tell companies where they can and can not locate. Look for a lot of company expansion if the govt wins this one."

Why are you putting President Obama in this? He has nothing to do with it nor has he expressed any opinion about it, to the best of my knowledge. This is why you people always look silly -- "It's all Obama's fault.!"

"Al, dco you really thin this is a good time to raise taxes on small businesses when they are struggling and not expanding?"

Don't try to run that GOP fluff by me. It's a good time to raise taxes on the rich who used to fund the Government. Very few "small businesses" would be affected by the proposed rolling back of the Bush tax cuts, and that is a verifiable fact.

Small businesses were not afforded a tax cut when it was given. The ultra-rich were.

"Obama did not lift the ban on deep water drilling until Jan 2011 not a year ago like you put in your post. Go back and re read your link."

It states clearly that permits began being issued in June 2010 and that 56 thus far have been issued. I don't know what to tell you.

"So for you to suggest that there maybe other reasons they went bankrupt is a reckless statement to make."

Do you really know why they went Bankrupt? They were not put out of business. They never ceased operations. They were prevented from doing business as it once was known, and they admit it in their filing. Stringent regulations did slow down their business and justifiably so. Ask the eleven men who were killed and those fishermen still dealing with oil in the Gulf.

"I believe we should have more nuclear also but Obama wants to bankrupt the coal industy. What will that do to states like WV, Ky, Pa and others that produce coal. This is one of those industries Obama wants to fail and does not care what happens to the workers."

Those workers will be just fine. Contracts written into every union representation provide for retraining and compensation while they are relocated into other occupations. That's something you and I do not have if we are canned from a job or eliminated for some reason.

They've known for years that coal miners are a dying breed.

June 26, 2011 at 1:43 p.m.
chet123 said...

SEAMONKEY....you love to use the word lib....we are democrats who are not ashame as you are to admit you are a republican...we are very proud......i was gone for a few days but i'm back now to give you hell....and stop quoted from the bs hater links...think with your own brain fool!

June 26, 2011 at 9:29 p.m.
chet123 said...

SEAMONKEY YOUR HERO RONALD REAGAN STARTED THE economic DOWN SPIRAL WITH THE TICKLE DOWN THEORY....WHAT A JOKE!...ONLY FOOLS LIKE YOU FELL FOR IT. RONALD REAGON OWN CHILDREN DISAGREE WITH HIS PHILOSOPHY...THEY KNEW THERE FATHER WAS A BUTT KISSER FOR CORPORATE AND RICH AND GREEDY....ONLY A PEA BRAIN LIKE YOU IS BLIND TO THAT FACT....SO YOU REALLY THINK OBAMA OR ANY PRESIDENT CAN TURN THE ECONOMY AROUND IN 2 , 3, OR 4 YEARS...YOU ARE A FOOL MAN.....DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE CLEAN-UP MAN BEHIND SORRY REPUBLICAN LEADERS...CHECK HISTORY OUT...ONE THING REPUBLICANS ARE GOOD AT IS LYING...YOU DO MUCH OF THAT LOL LOL...YOU PAY MULTI-BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PROPAGANDA...I WONDER WHY YOUR PRODUCT DONT SELL ITSELF..Hmmmmm...maybe because its without substance.....

June 26, 2011 at 9:40 p.m.
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