published Tuesday, March 22nd, 2011

Chattanooga: Minors face Coolidge Park ban

Chattanooga Chief Bobby Dodd speaks to the media at the Police Service Center about a recent disturbance at Coolidge Park as Mayor Ron Littlefield, right, looks on.  The Chattanooga Police unveiled new measures to keep Coolidge Park safe.
Chattanooga Chief Bobby Dodd speaks to the media at the Police Service Center about a recent disturbance at Coolidge Park as Mayor Ron Littlefield, right, looks on. The Chattanooga Police unveiled new measures to keep Coolidge Park safe.

Minors will no longer be allowed in Coolidge Park unless they are accompanied by an adult, Chattanooga officials say.

The new rule is in response to an incident in the park Saturday, when shots rang out in a crowd of about 300 youths, and builds on a response to a similar incident almost exactly a year ago.

No one was injured Saturday, but five people — three adults and two juveniles — were hit with bullets on March 27, 2010, although none of the injuries were life-threatening.

  • Video: Chattanooga leaders discuss Coolidge Park shootings
    During a news conference Monday, Chattanooga Mayor Ron Littlefield and Police Chief Bobby Dodd spoke about measures law enforcement will be making to quell the violence after shots were fired in Coolidge Park on Saturday.

“We can’t arrest out way out of this. There’s just no way,” said Chattanooga Police Chief Bobby Dodd at a news conference Monday. “If I had 200 officers in that crowd that night, you have 300 to 400 people; someone fires off a shot. You’ve got a mob running.

“Two hundred officers couldn’t have controlled it or stopped it from happening,” he said, “but we are going to put the resources in there to regulate it.”

An unsupervised 8-year-old child was at Coolidge Park on Saturday when the fight erupted Mayor Ron Littlefield noted at the news conference.

“Where were you at?” Dodd asked. “Where were your children at? Who’s responsible for these children?”

No one was arrested in connection to the shooting, but an air pellet gun was recovered nearby, police said.

Two people were arrested on unrelated charges, including 18-year-old Alex Wilson, who was picked up on a charge of disorderly conduct, police said. A 16-year-old male faces a similar charge, according to police, and his name is not being released because he is a juvenile.

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After last year’s incident, officers now work overtime in the park for $29 per hour, Dodd said, and there also are two officers who normally work that area as well as park rangers.

Police began placing five extra officers within the park, Dodd said, and after Saturday, it’s likely that number will jump to 10. Increased patrol will include bike patrols and vehicle patrols as well as officers walking around the park grounds, he said.

Currently, the extra law enforcement costs city taxpayers about $1,500 per weekend, he said.

Over the past few years, the police have responded to the park an average of 31 incidents per year, according to police records dating back to 2007. So far this year, there have been a total of three calls to Coolidge Park, records show.

Dodd described Saturday’s incident as a “flash mob,” the same phrase Littlefield to describe last year’s shooting in the park.

Authorities said the both incidents developed after local youth communicated via social media such as Facebook and Twitter and gathered in parking lots adjacent to Coolidge Park with a crowd between 250 to 400 juveniles to watch a fight.

At one point, someone brandished a gun — possibly a .38-caliber revolver — and fled the scene when nearby officers responding from within the park to the parking lots. There were already officers on scene because police received tips that a fight would take place over the weekend.

Officers on scene radioed for back up, and a total of 18 officers responded, officials said.

Police are still sifting through video footage from surveillance cameras in the park, but they say it’s unlikely any of it will be usable because of low light.

At Monday’s news conference, officials spoke of installing bright lights the park in case it needs to be cleared quickly.

Larry Zehnder, city administrator for parks and recreation, said since the shooting incident last year, less than $10,000 was spent in upgrades to the park, including surveillance cameras and improved lighting. It’s likely more money will be spent to improve safety, he said.

On average, the park has 30 to 40 special events every year that attract a total of between 70,000 to 80,000 people, he said.

While last year’s fight started over an argument over who gave someone a sexually transmitted disease, Dodd said he doesn’t know what prompted this year’s fight.

Officials said it’s likely there were gang members in the crowd, the fight itself does not appear to be gang-related, officials said.

“People should assume the park is safe because we’re absolutely committed to making it safe and keeping it safe,” Littlefield said. “These two incidents a year apart should not characterize what people think of Coolidge Park.

“We do not want to diminish the appeal of the park,” he said. “We don’t want to appear to be an armed camp. We don’t think that’s necessary. We do think it’s necessary for people to properly behave and take responsibility for the young people.”

Philip Grymes, executive director of Outdoor Chattanooga, which is located in Coolidge Park, said Saturday’s incident may keep people away from the park at night, but generally most people seem to feel safe during the day.

“This is a different place at night,” he said. “I used to be, ‘Oh, I really don’t believe that.’ Unfortunately, I think that really is the case.

“The thing I don’t want to see us the reactionary — ‘We’re just going to ban all teens. Nobody can be in here after 8 p.m.’ I think that will be a lot of people’s kneejerk reaction.”

David Smotherman, president of the North Shore Merchants Collective, which has about 52 businesses as members, said it’s a challenging issue because the crowds gather and disperse so quickly.

It’s possible the park could close earlier or the city could require permits for people who gather in than groups of more than 30 people, said Smotherman, owner of Winder Binder Gallery and Book Store on Frazier Avenue.

“I don’t know if that’s a solution to that. ... Part of me hates too much regulation of anything,” he said.

There are no plans to close the park early, according to officials. The park opens at 7 a.m. and closes at 11 p.m.

Contact staff writer Beth Burger at bburger@timesfreepress.com or 423-757-6406.

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bree said...

LOOK HOW FAST WHITE FOLK ACT WHEN GANGS AND BLACKS SHOW UP IN WHITE AREAS, THE POLICE HOLD PRESS CONFENCE, PUT SIGNS UP,THEY PUT A ARM GUARD IN THE PARK!HOW LONG HAS THESE VIOLENT ACTS BEEN GOING ON IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY WITH NO HELP?

March 22, 2011 at 7:52 a.m.
bree said...

THE POLICE WILL PROTECT THEM ANOREXIA WHITE FOLK JOGGING IN BIKER SHORTS AND THONGS, AND WALKING THEM MUTTS, GRINGOS WILL BE GINGOS

March 22, 2011 at 7:57 a.m.
podiebell said...

So, it was legal before to leave your child unattended in a public place? That's crazy! What kind of idiot just drops off their kid in the middle of nowhere? I wouldn't let my 8 year old go into Walmart by himself so why should he be left alone with a bunch of other kids in the middle of any park, much less Coolidge Park in the middle of the night? Every single one of the parents of these children should be picked up for child neglect. The park is not a playground or Chucky Cheese; and even at those kinds of places, good parents WATCH their children play.

March 22, 2011 at 8:16 a.m.
RickD said...

Maybe if you were worth protecting. Maybe instead of creating and causing problems and violence, the police force and officials would be more prone to protecting. Apparently if to many of you gather in one place, violence will follow. Ever thought of doing something for yourself. Ever thought of relying on someone else to fix your problems might not be the best way. So till then, they will do what is necassary to protect the honest and worthy citizens from those that attempt to harm them. What do you expect? Seriously, You can neither speak, spell, or even function as a respectable citizen.

March 22, 2011 at 8:17 a.m.
j17davis said...

I think it's amazing how Chattanooga refuses to admit it has a gang problem. Flash mob, b/c we know gangs aren't mobs, thier gangs. Way to go Chattanooga.

March 22, 2011 at 8:38 a.m.
RickD said...

My point exactly. You don't like or even understand what you read and that is your only capable response. I don't protect my trash either. I throw it away.

March 22, 2011 at 8:45 a.m.
RickD said...

Hotdog, I Agree.

March 22, 2011 at 8:54 a.m.
dao1980 said...

I can't help but agree with RickD here. Those who refuse to contribute to society should be trampled beneath it. Regardless of skin color, ethnicity, religious or political affiliation, or any other personal agenda.

I have even known folks with severe physical handicaps that could work and earn towards positive improvement, and the betterment of their personal condition.

The absurd amount of racist rhetoric towards lighter skinned folks in this thread is testament to the true belligerence of these "you owe me" idiots. They are probably the same ones continually procreating with no means to care for, and thus supplying the gang population with a steady supply of fresh recruits.

March 22, 2011 at 8:56 a.m.
dao1980 said...

And why are we picking on Liberace again?!?

There must be some strange connection within the thug culture involving pianists and conflicting opinions.

March 22, 2011 at 9:01 a.m.
RickD said...

Want your community to be better? Want your streets to be safe? Refuse the evil deeds. Refuse to take part in the problem. Attempt to help yourself. We've already established that the "cops" and "jogger" aren't going to do it for you. Do something for yourself. Get one of those Grants the Gov just gives away to you, use it. FYI, COPD is always looking for recruites. What? Scared?

March 22, 2011 at 9:02 a.m.
dao1980 said...

hahaha!

"hotdog said..."HEY RICK, WE CAN SPELL MODERN RACISM, GO LISTEN TO SOME LIBERACHI MUSIC AND RUB SOME HERBES ORIENMENT ON LITTLE GUY"

Maybe you forgot that you had just written this, maybe you have no idea what a "Liberace" or a "pianist" is, maybe.. your an idiot.

March 22, 2011 at 9:33 a.m.
RickD said...

Amazing! Suggest an option for someone to help themselves rather than depend on something they know isn't working, Silence.

March 22, 2011 at 9:45 a.m.
rking said...

As I read the comments of those who have missed the real point, I can clearly see that the situation will not get any better until people learn to come together. It's bad enough that people are losing their lives because of the poor choices of other. Furthermore, when the race card is pulled and negative critism takes place, who really wins? Not only are we losing the fight, but we are also losing the war because of people who are not willing to compromise for the greater cause. If white people don't work with blacks, then don't complain when your door is kicked in and your good are taken. If blacks can't work with whites, then don't complain when your intelligence is insulted. By the way, Rick D, I'm black, educated, can read and write and have never been convicted of a felony. I have gatherings all the time and no shots are fired and no lives are lost. Your mindless rhetoric is senseless, but we know you were raised that way. You and your type (meaning anyone like you) are a nuisance to society. You do what you do underhanded and privately. No wonder you lock your doors when someone black walks by. Maybe it's the guilt you feel inside that causes you to act that way. Or maybe you are threatened by the strength of a black man.

March 22, 2011 at 9:57 a.m.
juxtapose said...

facepalm

The 21 preceding comments have made my day. That will be all.

March 22, 2011 at 10:12 a.m.
RickD said...

rking, I am pleased to see an edjucated response. But, you still missed the point. There is no racist underhanded action. There was no mention of race, color, or any direction to that in my comments. If you assume, we all know that saying. Agreed the battle is being lost. For those who create the problem, whites, blacks, asian, italian, greek, I don't care. Know one is going to protect them from themselves. Be it East Chatt to North Chatt, to Sand Mtn, to the trailor parks to projects to gated communities, if that is where the problem lies. If those that do not attempt to help themselves but instead rely on a system that does not, and will not do it for them. The so be it. It will be. Unless, someone / everyone chooses to do something about it. For themselves, by themselves, for the community. I'll work with anyone that believs in solving the problem. Kick in my door, I'll know who to fix.

March 22, 2011 at 10:13 a.m.
RickD said...

Congrats there hotdog. Doesn't sound like your part of the problem. You missed the point as well. Race isn't the issue. People relying on a system that doesn't work for anyone.

March 22, 2011 at 10:22 a.m.
juxtapose said...

hotdog, Regardless of your age, race, gender, political views, religion or anything else....can you please learn to spell at least HALFWAY properly if you're going to argue against the unnecessary black stereotypes in this debate? rking gave us an educated and well thought out response, so why can't you do the same?

Turn off your caps lock and stop bragging about being a business owner. SEVERAL people are successful business owners...the US is the Entrepreneurship capital of the world. We get your point that you're not a part of the problem but it doesn't give you any credibility in this argument when you still can't spell properly or string together a decent argument against anyone who has posted so far.

March 22, 2011 at 10:28 a.m.
RickD said...

Well, then agian. Not part of the problem except for your threat of violence. A response like that is what we are talking about. In which IS the problem. NOT what color the violence is coming from. rking, I applaud your gatherings if they are in good nature. I am glad you have had no "shots fired". Tie your community together, expell those that attempt to tear it appart.

March 22, 2011 at 10:35 a.m.

All of you ppl seem to be foolish! Why are we arguing about "Race" here and slandering each other? I don't get it! Let's just take notes about what is going on in our community and FIX IT! Let's supervise our children! Let's do things as a family instead of letting the children run at their own risk! There are plenty of things that can be done to protect our futures...think about it! The children in todays society who get hardly any punishment or discipline of any kind are the ones who will be running our country in the next generation when we are all retired. If we do not lead these youngsters in the right direction, it won't matter who the president is, who the law enforcement is, or who anyone is for that matter because the community will go to crap! Let's make a change! Start today for a better tomorrow!

March 22, 2011 at 10:41 a.m.
anderson2010 said...

Coolidge Park was intended for families to gather and enjoy the downtown area no matter what color you were. However, the saying still goes, you can take the person out of the getto but cant take the getto out of the person. It says some were overheard saying that they were bored, lets fire on someone..you cant find something else to do but cause mayhem? I think the park should close at sunset unless an event is going on. Parents are just as responsible if not more responsible for what their children are doing. I think that the parents of these kids need to be held accountable as well. If they even know who their parents are. They say the apple doesnt fall far from the tree. Every race is accountable for their actions. Actions have consequences. Parents need to act like parents and know what their children are doing. With a crowd of 300 idiots acting that way, even with every police officer there, it is still to much for them to control. I agree with the decision of minors not allowed without an adult. I still will not visit this park. I have been there a few times and just didnt feel safe. Let alone take my children.

March 22, 2011 at 11:06 a.m.
RickD said...

FYI, I do have experience. But I'm not the topic, nor my professional life. Sorry for your loss. Glad you make an effort with the summit. Point being - if others actually did something, instead of just crying about the "cops" not doing anything, maybe. So, I do agree with you hotdog. There is a problem, from both parties.

March 22, 2011 at 11:54 a.m.
harrystatel said...

Welcome to Coolidge Park in Chattanooga—Home of the "Fighting 300"

http://bit.ly/ecaFrK

March 22, 2011 at 12:10 p.m.
Vguy said...

Our city is under attack by the gangs and it appears that our police officers are under attack by the city leaders.If Mayor Littlefield and city council spent 1/10th of their effort and time worrying about combating crime in this city as the do attacking our police officers maybe Chattanooga would not have this crime problem.

This direct assault from our city officials against our police officers must stop. I grew up in New York and lived there for most of my life. When our city was under attack from the gangs and thugs Mayor Giuliani did not go after the police officers who protect the streets, he went after the problem, the people causing the crime. How can we expect our police department to maintain a positive attitude and good moral when they do not have the support from the leaders.

Don't worry Chattanooga's Finest just because your elected leaders do not support you this does not mean the citizens do not have your back. The next local elections are right around the corner and it will be time to clean house. If these leaders can not clean up the city,we will elect people who can. These police officers are the backbone in out fight against crime and they should be treated with respect.Keep up the good work guys, change will be coming soon.

Vinny Genovese

March 22, 2011 at 12:45 p.m.
wuwei37405 said...

Good luck to all of us. This is a very serious problem but we should be able to solve it.

March 22, 2011 at 1:44 p.m.
antilimit said...

I'm educated, black and have worked in public housing projects (which are mostly inhabited by blacks) for years. I find it disturbing how quickly the black community goes after the police anytime we let our youth run wild or anytime the general populace decries some sort of crime that involves black people. There's a lot of talk of how the police are only concerned when the crime affects an area populated by whites, and whether or not there's any truth in that sentiment, in the end it comes down to how a vast majority in our community views law enforcement and the reporting of crimes. The same ones who can complain so loudly about the swift actions of city officials to create new regulations on the park and curfews, and about how they haven't seen that type of action or attention to "the woodlawns" and east chattanooga are frequently the same ones with the "DON'T SNITCH" t-shirts. I worked in a housing project in which there was a shooting in broad daylight where 2-3 people were injured, with about 70-100 people outside on porches or on the sidewalk, but when the police arrive and began questioning witnesses, of course no one wanted to "snitch". One officer candidly asked me "Why bother?" and I didn't really have a ready answer for him. When you talk about the disparity in police/city official action in the inner city communities and the more "white" populated areas like Harrison or Hixson, you have to consider the difference in public response. Realistically, anyone who has lived there can attest that if a fight occurs in Harriet Tubman or College Hills, there will be an audience of 50-100 people videoing and throwing fuel on the fire, whereas in a majority of the suburban or rural areas, the citizens of that local are quick to not only call the police, but probably stand and point out the perps. We have to take responsibility for all our communities and realize that whatever our personal opinion of the police, city officials, government in general or authority, these are the individuals tasked with keeping the peace and if we can't stand behind them to give them the resources and information they require to enforce the laws, no amount of complaining, protesting, suing or griping is going to help get that job done.

March 22, 2011 at 1:51 p.m.
antilimit said...

And hotdog, all you're doing is proving that it doesn't take much to own a business or 3. You may have some important insight on this topic buried under all the caps lock and playground insults, but please educate yourself to be able to communicate your ideas in a way that people can take you seriously.

March 22, 2011 at 1:56 p.m.
thelight said...

Antilimit I want you to know that you are someone that the community needs, no more black, white, purple, blue, or green community, just simply community. I fully apprecitate a black man wanting to try and step up and directly address the issues facing the community as a whole. I am a white man and I want to say thanks for being a black man and trying to address the black community, becasue if I do then I am immediately labeled as a racists. Personnally I am frustrated with lots of the points you bring to light on the differences of the white community and black community, I just want us to all come together as a community, who cares black or white. I am upset with the mayor and the police chief with their response and the so called signs who are they kidding? On one hand I wish Mr Talk Radio himself Andre McGary would try and step up as this could help his political career that he so dearly holds. If he truly wants to be a leader (you notice that I didn't say black leader) he should try and help bring solutions to the table. I think he has the greatest platform as he is on the radio ever weekday, and he spent his entire show yesterday screaming about what the mayor will do or won't do why not spend the time debating solutions, nope he waited until the last 10 minutes of his show. I live on the NorthShore and visit Fraiser and Coolidge park multiple times a week and walk around during the night and I have to say I am little dispeleased while walking across the bridge on a Saturday night and I hear a young kid and his buddies glamourizing they have guns and want to shoot someone, it kills me to hear this, where has the society gone. My question is what can be done, I understand everyone wants to scream the parents, the issue I see is these kids parents are absence for many issues(I do not wnat to debate this) I just want to help these kids. The one point I always say when others int he community discuss this entire gang thing in Chattanooga, do they not understand that they are commiting Genocide, black on black crime. On last quick note that I see from a black and white community thing you are right white folks will stand up and not tolerate the issues and demand things to change, as for the black community it seems as though it is glamourized to be thug/gang member, why is that? Again I really want to get rid of the black / white community thing, we are all citzens of Chattanooga!

March 22, 2011 at 2:54 p.m.
SeaMonkey said...

this is a gang problem......black families, white families,..whatever...should all be able to go to coolidge park without dodging bullets. it's bad.. 300 people causing mayhem in coolidge park would be like 6 thousand..or something... doing the same thing in grant park in chicago, for example. which would be considered a pretty good riot..

proportionately, it's bad.......

we all know who's causing this....profile and do something about it....this is no time to be politically correct.....

March 22, 2011 at 3:10 p.m.

Public Housing projects and trailer parks are incubators for the generationally dependent...If the taxpayers no longer have to foot the bill for feeding and sheltering them the triflers - of all colours, violent and non-violent alike - will die out...

March 22, 2011 at 3:19 p.m.
dao1980 said...

hotdog... you, are the problem.

March 22, 2011 at 3:21 p.m.
thelight said...

hotdog I thnk it is great you have 3 businesses! No one is dogging you out for that. Please get over trying to defend yourself there are some on here that want to get down to discussing solutions and I do not see how you have three business and multiple certs helps. Or maybe you could go open up a business / mentor and employ these so called gang memebers and teach them to be a contributor to society instead of taker.

March 22, 2011 at 3:30 p.m.
Macallanlover said...

As stated in the other column on the same issue, nothing will happen until the residents take responsibility for their own homes, and community. It has to start one house, one street at a time. The police cannot monitor anywhere 24/7, band with your neighbors and work with the police. They are not your enemy, they are totally responsible either. I sincerely hope those in the poorer areas of this country realize they have got to get involved with family and community. Get over the finger pointing, you are the first person accountable to getting it right.

March 22, 2011 at 3:53 p.m.
thvit said...

@antilimit: Finally someone with some common senese in this thread...

March 22, 2011 at 3:54 p.m.
antilimit said...

@ hotdog: It's expected for you to be angry about someone being able to type and communicate. Of course you believe the "sellout/uncle tom" slurs are original and that people like you are proud examples of us as a community, and if you're actually doing something for our community other than riding by in a new car flashing new tires yelling at everyone about how you "OWN YOUR OWN MOBIL 1 BUSINESS", then good job, but I have a feeling the most you do for the black community is be black. If they aren't doing so well, you can always be an ATL rapper, since most of their fluff doesn't try to address many social issues or promote social change and betterment of our community these days either. Your first single can be "MY REAR NAME IS GARY" and you can follow it up with "I OWN MOBIL 1". Heartfelt congratulations on the success of your businesses, if they are succeeding, but that still doesn't hide or excuse the fact that you might have about 1 in every 10 almost-sentences you type that's relevant at all to the topic. Would it be fair if I said "I don't believe you black, and if you are you're what they call a 'crab in a bucket'?" Agreeing with a white blogger is actually o.k. if the white blogger says "Hey, take responsibility for your neighborhoods and youth and address some of these problems." If a black person said it while replacing "your" with "our", you would stand and applaud...provided they typed it in caps with broken english and qualified it with how many businesses they own. It doesn't make it wrong because someone you don't like says it. The difference between you and me is that I am "pro-black" while you seem to just be "anti-white". If you really want to show the talents that GOD gave you, maybe you should teach them to some of the youth in question so they can learn to get certified and OWN THEIR OWN BUSINESS instead of being bored and looking for someone to attack. I brought job fairs TO the projects I worked in and taught interview skills/test prep classes. I walked through the projects for 8 1/2 years with a bookbag on my back full of GED test prep and interview skills manuals, what exactly have you done for our community? The irony is that the young men like yourself would've given me much less a hard time were I bringing you a sack sand to your doorstep than a book. The difference between you and I is that I don't think we need more sand in the projects, we need more books and more accountability for our kids, parents and schools. I'm not saying you can't waste space with stuff that can be dealt with with a simple "I know you are but what am I" or some reference to your momma, I'm just asking that you even it up with maybe about 1 of those sentences to 2 or 3 sentences that are solutions. Food for thought, businessman.

March 22, 2011 at 3:57 p.m.
thelight said...

Hotdog you and everyone has the right to post, but throwing out racists comments isn't helping is it? You are tyring to bait a racists convsation are you not? Tell me this what solutions do you have to try and stop the shootings and the gangs violence? I feel sorry for you for and your loss of your son, but playing the name game back and forth with others is not helping anything just creates more animosity. We need to lead by example and playing the name game isn't help, the key word is tolerance. I do not have the answers, but I want to help and I want all this crap and yes I said crap(would use other words, but it wouldn't be posted) to stop violence solves nothing!!!!!! Neither does name calling!

March 22, 2011 at 3:58 p.m.
dao1980 said...

What if I happened to be black. Skin color shouldn't matter, remember?

The gang problem is a problem for people of any ethnicity. The problem with our city leaders not supporting our police department as needed to address the gang issue.. is a problem for people of any and all ethnicities. When idle youths coalesce, and coolidge park is no longer a safe place to relax while enjoying our fair city, it is a problem for everyone. I believe in the future, the problem will get worse before it gets better. Stiffer penalties for crimes committed as well as more individual responsibility to contribute to the benefit of society would be a good start.

March 22, 2011 at 4:02 p.m.
dao1980 said...

haha! You are absolutely hilarious!

Quit your crying, don't be so mad at your own skin tone, and try not to ruin that stolen computer with your tears.

Thank you, at least, for brightening my day with your continuous comic relief.

March 22, 2011 at 4:49 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

hotdog, you seem to think life in this world is "black vs. white," but it's not. Everything antilimit wrote points to him/her being grounded in reality, whereas you seem to live in a shrouded veil of racism. Why do you dislike white people so much? Are you aware that you are racist?

March 22, 2011 at 4:50 p.m.
antilimit said...

Original, and thanks for the caps lock, I probably couldn't see your point were it not on. To be clear, I'm not attacking your businesses or your success, congratulations on both. But, the long and short of it is your blind anger and defensiveness (added to your inability to communicate or post without spitting out schoolyard insults that we could probably tell were misspelled if you were saying them instead of typing them) make it difficult to find any kind of intelligent insight or solution to the problem that's facing our community. Tell you what, let's solve our e-rivalry this way:

Let's both go down to city hall. I'll meet with city officials and law enforcement and give my analysis on the issue of we originally started discussing, complete with a few possible solutions and resources that could be used to achieve them. Afterward (or before, so you don't feel insulted), you go in with your "DON'T SNITCH" t-shirt, scream at all the white people and black men with glasses, books or English that might happen to "work for the white man" in the court building and warn them about the impending rapes of all their wives by said "white men". As the city officials and officers tell you that they see your point and ask what your very practical solution to this issue is, interrupt them by loudly giving them your bio, business stats, and how many black men who's wives you will NOT be violating that you employ, and the fact that your knowledge and social-consciousness also extends well beyond their sellout-nigg/uncletom-infested city of Chattanooga to the great city of Atlanta, where you've taken care of similar issues by OWNING not ONE but THREE MOBIL 1s. As they contemplate the landslide of social change you just laid at their feet, I'll just have to be satisfied with my pat on the back and hope they're gentle with my wife and watch the progress you just brought about for the black community of Chattanooga. I stand corrected. Humbly,

Toby

March 22, 2011 at 4:56 p.m.
antilimit said...

Also, hotdog, I didn't miss the fact that you did spell "LOL" correctly. Everyone in my gang gives you credit.

March 22, 2011 at 5:01 p.m.
mtngrl said...

I do not understand why anyone would put down another person just because they are educated they way you are hotdog. As a business owner you should be one that these kids could look up to, so what does it tell them when you call others names just for trying to better themselves?

March 22, 2011 at 5:21 p.m.
bossdawg said...

Crime in the black community by the numbers:

  1. Crime gets out of control.
  2. Police crack down.
  3. Community protests "police brutality and harassment."
  4. In response to protests, police lighten presence.
  5. Violence increases.
  6. After several traumatic deaths, a "stop the violence" demonstration is held, followed by "gang" and "hip hop" summits.
  7. Protests decrying "police neglect" are held.
  8. Repeat steps 1-7.
March 22, 2011 at 6:24 p.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

Chattanooga doesn't have a gang problem, you have a few misguided youth with no direction. You, all of you, need to take responsibility before you do get a gang problem. MS13, La Raza, PE-1are gangs. The Piney Woods Boys... not so much. Don't be afraid to LIVE in your own community.

March 22, 2011 at 7:36 p.m.
Amos_Ives_Root said...

yeah everybody, listen to seasmokie. the gangster disciples from chicago (now in CHA) are not a gang! give me a mf break

March 22, 2011 at 11:45 p.m.
Amos_Ives_Root said...

theres a gang in chattanooga called "MUSLIMS OVER EVERYTHING"

no joke.

wheres the USDOJ on this terrorist group?? feds need to come in and clean house since it appears CHATTANOOGA POLICE will not.

March 22, 2011 at 11:52 p.m.
Amos_Ives_Root said...

i cant wait for the city to finish knocking down all the projects in the downtown area. it's coming. the programs called "HOPE VI" and the grants are in the hopper. keep hope alive, knock down the projects.

they're going to straighten US 27, yep. they're going to straighten it right down the middle through where college hill courts are. then they're going to extend the river walk down to 24, and sell out the west side to businesses that make money, rather than welfare recipients who only suck money.

March 23, 2011 at 12:09 a.m.
DoN2Much said...

Well my church Mount Canaan Baptist has a group called "Stop The Madness" led by Pastor Ternae Jordan tries to help in the community in every way possible to make our community a better place. Once again we are talking about it being a black issue it doesnt matter it is a misguided issue like seasmokie said, these kids have no guidance in their lives and want to belong to something that they see in their area and on/in the social media or television which inturn makes them act out in a way they feel makes them become someone respected by their peers. It is very sad that we have come to this in our city with blacks trying to create a Compton style city which will never happen and is very troubling for us with kids that are wanting education and socialism within a diverse world. I am a black man as well and it saddens me to see how we as citizens in this blog are all off the subject of the ACTUAL people that are doing these crimes whether whatever color they are because anyone can create these events or be subject to them. People are doing harmful things daily and it doesnt matter the color but the fact that we are all affected by this is a tragedy. As far as the No Snitching thing dont take this the wrong way but I can see how some people can be affected by this as well even though they want to rid their communities of such disgrace but think if you lived in these areas where this is happening and you have no place to go at this time, and you see a crime happen and know it is from a child or adult that is potenially subject to getting out and coming after you once they have found out you snitched on them would you do it? Some people are fearful for their families and their lives and dont want to speak up which is still wrong and should be addressed. I for one grew up in the Glenwood/Avondale or East Chattanooga area for some that are not familiar and it was never this way b/c parents in my day, which i am a early 70s baby, would have no problem whipping my arse or telling on someone for doing bad in the area. That was when the "Hood" was called neighborhoods! We had neighbors then and that is what is wrong with the communities now not enough neighbors around supporting each other and that is partly why these kids get out of hand and do the things they do. Everyone wants to mind their own business and think that life situations wont affect them but surely enough in time it will come to your doorsteps no matter what your color is, everyone is not morrally honest so dont just sit and judge all black people b/c some dont believe in a certain street code, we are all separate individuals and we all are not illiterate or uneducated but there are many people in this world that do not apply themselves for the best. We need to keep it cool and get down to the point in solving all these issues in the city instead of trying to bring new tourist sites here for others to see we gotta gut out the city and make it a better place again...

March 23, 2011 at 1:47 p.m.
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