published Monday, November 28th, 2011

5 at 10: Vols fall, NBA lockout ends and the legend of Tim Tebow continues

From the "Mama McNabb stage here at the beautiful Al Davis Studios," here we go...

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    Kentucky's Demarco Robinson (9) is tackled by Tennessee's Brian Randolph during the second quarter of an NCAA college football game in Lexington, Ky., Saturday, Nov 26, 2011. (AP Photo/ James Crisp)

College football Monday morning quarterback — Knoxville edition

This is not fun. Or easy. After the inexplicable loss to Kentucky — a Kentucky team that put a wide out at quarterback and ran the same five to seven plays for three hours — left the University of Tennessee at 5-7. That means no bowl game. That means back-to-back losing seasons, something that has not happened since the early 1900s. That means a winning streak that had survived since the Reagan administration is over. (Do you know there are newborns that have no idea what it's like for UT to beat Kentucky in football?). Here's our UT ace Downtown Patrick Brown's view of the questions in Knoxville (Questions abound as Vols offseason begins). Here are the 5-at-10's five things that Tennessee fans may not want to admit but are forced to face this morning:

— The Vols are a bottom-tier SEC program. They were super-pumped to beat Vandy then lost to Kentucky. That's not Ole Miss bad, but it's bottom tier. When what used to be viewed as an expectation is now viewed as an accomplishment, well, that's not good.

— The Vols are not even the best of that tier, regardless of whether you stack the SEC in halves or thirds. In halves it would be (in order) LSU, Bama, Arkansas, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn then Florida, Miss. State, Vandy, Kentucky, UT, Ole Miss.

— While the talent will be a year more experienced and the roster a touch deeper next fall, how much better is it going to be? Is eight wins possible? Maybe, but that seems to be the ceiling and how far have UT's expectations plummeted if eight wins is the perceived high-water mark (and in a season that this team has been building for the last three years).

— What is Tyler Bray? Is he a legit quarterback? Is he a talented head-case? Is he some of both? The facts show a guy that had a lot of success throwing the football to two future NFL receivers (Da'Rick Rogers and Justin Hunter) against less-than-NFL-caliber opponents in the first month of the season. The facts also show that Bray as the starter is 4-3 against SEC opponents (wins last year against Ole Miss, Vandy and Kentucky and a win against Vandy last week). The facts show a guy that was less than good Saturday and led an offense that managed 7 points against a Kentucky team that allowed 38 points to Vandy and 14 to Jacksonville State.

— Heading into a crucial recruiting season, the questions are too numerous to name — from Derek Dooley's long-term job security to who will be on UT's staff to what happened to the bevy of NFL-caliber linemen that used to be a UT staple — but there's one looming question that will be tough to answer for Johnny Vols Fans everywhere. Which SEC program has the least amount of buzz right now? LSU and Bama are the class of college football. Arkansas and South Carolina are at their peaks as SEC members. Auburn won the BCS in 2010 and Georgia will be fully-stocked for a possible run next year. Florida's struggles with a first-year coach and a defense loaded with sophomores at least offers some optimistic angles. Vandy is working on an extension for first-year coach James Franklin as you read this after Franklin guided the Commodores to their fifth bowl game in program history. That leaves UT, Kentucky, Ole Miss and Mississippi State. Mississippi State took a step back in 2011, but that was after finishing 15th in the country in 2010. Ole Miss is in limbo, but the right coaching hire could create a lot of talk around the Rebels. That leaves UT and UK, and well Saturday sealed that, didn't it.

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    Alabama running back Trent Richardson (3) leaps over the tackle of Auburn defensive back Ryan Smith (24) in the first half of a NCAA college football game at Jordan-Hare Stadium in Auburn, Ala., Saturday, Nov. 26, 2011. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

College football Monday morning quarterback — National edition

The five things we learned from this weekend:

— There are no truer axioms in sports than "Coaches are hired to be fired." The names coming across the ticker — Ron Zook at Illinois, Turner Gill at Kansas, Dennis Erickson at Arizona State, Rick Neuheisel at UCLA — that are either gone or are rumored to be gone soon are not all together surprising. That said, there are a lot of jobs open that will create a lot of coaching movements this offseason. Starting with the likely announcement of Urban Meyer as the coach at THE Ohio State University, there's no telling who is headed where. Especially considering some of the mid-major guys that will get looks at some of the bigger gigs. For example, if a Kevin Sumlin leaves Houston or an Art Briles leaves Baylor or a Charlie Strong leaves Louisville for an Ole Miss or UCLA or UNC or wherever, that will open up some jobs for the better coordinators in the country. Could familiar SEC names like Kirby Smart or Gus Malzahn or even Todd Grantham be candidates? You bet they could. (Sorry, Johnny Vols Fan, but Jim Chaney is not likely to be interviewing anywhere else for the time being.)

— There's LSU and Alabama, and then there's everyone else. Hey, we've covered this three different times. You know the 5-at-10 does not believe a team that does not win its conference should play for the national title. But the goal of BCS is to match the two best teams in the country, and there is no debating that LSU and Alabama are the two best teams in the country. Yes, Johnny Virginia Tech Fan and Jimmy Oklahoma State Fan can say Alabama already had its shot, and they'd be right and have an argument. No one — not the most ardent Hokie or Cowboy or Duck or Cardinal booster — will deny that LSU and Alabama are the best two teams in the country, though.

— That was some serious rivalry beatdown. Alabama manhandled Auburn 42-14, and it wasn't that close. (And with every passing week of Auburn offensive ineptitude, Cam Newton's 2010 season takes another step toward mythological proportions.) USC and Lane Kiffin handed UCLA a 50-0 whipping. South Carolina overpowered a Clemson team that has limped to the finish line. Florida State beat Florida 21-7 in a game that was like watching traffic jams and train wrecks at the same time. (Seriously, how did we get to a place where FSU and Florida, two supremely athletic teams can play a game in which the winning team had 95 yards of total offense?)

— Take hope UT fans, because a quick and strong turnaround is possible. The Georgia Bulldogs proved that. Less than three months ago, Mark Richt was on the SEC's hottest seat after an 0-2 start. More than once the rest of the way, media goofballs like the 5-at-10 hinted some mumbo-jumbo like, "Richt needs to win this game to keep the temperature on his chair under control." Well, all Richt and Co. did was win every game since and secure a spot in Saturday's SEC title game. Are they ready for the machine that is LSU? Doubtful, but that makes them no different than all the other very, very good teams in college football. What it does mean, though, is that the Bulldogs were willing to play as hard as possible for a coach that was hearing growing whispers about losing his job, and that in and of itself speaks highly of Richt's place in his players' eyes. And with a host of playmakers coming back, Richt's Bulldogs will start 2012 as the runaway favorites in the SEC East and probably in the preseason Top 10.

— The final week of the Fab 4 (plus 1) picks was an overwhelming smash hit. Here's what we wrote last Wednesday (Fab 4 +1). To recap: Temple beat KSU 34-16 to go over the total; Houston beat Tulsa 48-16; Vandy beat Wake Forest 41-7; South Carolina thumped Clemson, which cost us big; Alabama covered; LSU covered; Virginia Tech covered, FSU covered and FIU beat MTSU 31-18. Officially, the Fab 4 (plus 1) went 4-1 last week to up our mark 41-21-1. (But unofficially we were 8-1 on the games we picked last week — not too shabby. Stupid Clemson.)

The NBA strikes a deal

Whether it was the prospect of hitting Christmas with no pay checks or the owners finally realizing that missing the holidays would be catastrophic, the NBA and the players struck a deal last weekend to end the lockout.

Yes, like most NBA moves of late this one was poorly executed — a deal early Saturday morning of a holiday week right before a huge college football weekend and NFL weekend does not maximize exposure. But timing is the least of the concerns this morning and at least they got a deal worked out. And at least there will be Christmas NBA action. At least.

Of course, "at least" seems to be the appropriate phrase for this scenario since the least seems to be all the fans can expect.

So with that in mind, this will be our last NBA post until Jan. 24 — 54 days from now. The silly, stupid and selfish lockout cost us 27 days of NBA games. They are in a 54-day timeout. It's the least we could do.

This and that

— Remember how we giggled about the Big East inviting BYU, and how the Big East would need to change its name if it had a school in Utah? Well, now there's this story (SDSU-Big East talks turn serious) by Brent Schritenboer of the San Diego Tribune saying the Big East and San Diego State are in serious talks. East and San Diego? Like Ron Burgandy and the origins of the name San Diego, we'll just have to agree to disagree about that. We can just see a Big East tournament final in Philadelphia between Big East champ Hawaii and San Diego State. Too bad the name Conference USA is already taken.

— The Mocs lost to Gardner-Webb, which has not been basketball relevant since former Atlanta Hawks star John Drew was playing for the Bulldogs in the mid-1970s. You can read UTC hoops ace David Uchiyama's story here (Gardner-Webb tops sloppy UTC). We have two questions: After a two-point win over Savannah State on Friday, what do we know about UTC's men's basketball team, which has now dipped to 2-4 — the other win was over something known as Warren Wilson? Why is Gardner-Webb's mascot the Bulldogs as opposed to the Spiders?

— You know what's kind of funny? Watching the rest of the NFL become accustomed to what SEC fans already knew: Don't pick against Tim Tebow. Just don't. It may not be pretty, but they don't draw pictures on the scoreboard.

— Nice wins for the Falcons and the Titans yesterday. We'll cover the NFL more on Tuesday.

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    Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow (15) comes onto the field before an NFL football game against the San Diego Chargers Sunday, Nov. 27, 2011 in San Diego. (AP Photo/Denis Poroy)

Today's question

Sound off college football Monday is back. What say you about the Vols, the Tide, a rematch or whatever?

Is this the low point of UT football but the high point of SEC football? Is that the definition of irony or is a wrinkled mat that covers an ironing board the definition of irony?

Did Urban Meyer get his dream job at THE Ohio State University or was he afraid of SEC life after Tim Tebow? Did he need a year off to get well or did he spend time with his family, and hey, 10 months is a lot of time? How many of his ESPN colleagues will he take with him to Columbus? Chris Spielman (yes), Kirk Herbstreit (yes), Chris Fowler (no way), Lee Corso (only if he lost a bet)?

Bring it.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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jomo11 said...

Jay, did you see the comments by the UTK seniors saying that the younger players are talented, but only care about their stats. And that Poole and Johnson made comments that some of the younger players did NOT want to play in a bowl game and practice for another month ?

November 28, 2011 at 10:16 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Jomo —

There is a bad vibe coming from Knoxville, there is no doubt. The Poole quote about players not wanting to be on the field was especially troubling. The way the Vols played, it's hard to deny those claims, too.

All things considered, Saturday may have been the worst UT loss in a generation. It also could be UT's low point — their La.-Monroe — that as Dooley said was the "rock bottom" that allows for the rebuilding to start. Although the former seems way more likely than the latter this morning.

— 5-at-10

November 28, 2011 at 10:34 a.m.
chas9 said...

5er--To beat TN with a receiver at QB has to be a whole lot of good coaching, even given the stinky quality of the opponent. So question 1 is, Did UT let go a great coach in Randy Sanders? (We know the answer about "Chief" Chavis.)

Question 2--Can Bray's erratic throws be blamed on a not-yet-healed hand?

Question 3--Given that most SEC defenses don't practice much against the option, should an SEC team (even a bottom-tier one) be able to adjust better on the fly to the surprise offense than The Vols did?

Question 4--How come Dooley's and Patrick Brown's accounts of what happened on the Roark fumble after the long run don't square with what the national press reported (that a UK player came up with the ball)?

Question 5--Isn't it bad form to blame a bad loss on the officiating?

Many questions begging for Jay's expertise.

November 28, 2011 at 10:42 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

Though playing Hawks Ridge on Friday was nice (Heath Slocum was next to me on the putting green, putted five times, didn't come close to scaring the hole and then headed back to the parking lot) Saturday afternoon left a lot to be desired. As disappointing a performance from Tech as I have witnessed in several years.

I still think LSU beats the fool out of Georgia. The Bulldogs can throw it but what plays more into the LSU defense's strength - passing or running?

November 28, 2011 at 11:07 a.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

All astute questions. Let's start from the top:

1) Sanders got too much blame when he left UT. He was following Cutcliffe, who we all know was/is a stud. And he was trying to be an OC as the wolves were circling Fulmer and Fulmer was meddling to the point of distracting. (He did the same thing with Clawson later.) Sanders is good coach, not a great coach, but he gets major props for not over-thinking the in-game stuff Saturday. If it's working why change it. Too many OCs are too clever by about half and overthink play-calling. The WR at QB running game was working well enough, especially since UT's offense was getting ZERO don.

2) His thumb may have been part of it, but UGA showed the league a way to harass Tyler Bray. (And that lesson was pre-thumb injury.) Pressure from either edge that can make Bray start moving reduces his accuracy by about half.

3) UT's adjustments have been terrible all year. The third quarter has been death for the Vols. And this was not as much Wishbone/Wing-T option as it was spread-option and with USC, Florida and Auburn running spreads, then this should not have been completely out of left field.

4) Don't know the answer to that one. We'll get back.

5) You bet it's bad form. Especially this one. Officiating could have been mentioned last year against LSU (although UT had too many guys on the field) and it could even be blamed in the bowl game loss to UNC (the refs botched that call), but maybe we're old-school and think the head coach will dictate how his team will react to adversity, and postgame complaining about the refs opens the excuse-making gauntlet.

Spy —

Where does Hawks Ridge rank? Better than East Lake? Did you play the Honors or the Farm?

Tech's egg was somewhat surprising. Auburn's egg was not.

As for the SEC title game, Georgia will have to be able to run the ball or they have no chance. And that running may be from Aaron Murray, but the Dogs have to be able to run. That's the thing that makes the LSU and the Bama defenses so nasty. They can stop the run with their front sevens and their secondaries are filled with NFL guys. The Honey Badger may be SEC defensive player of the year and he's the third best DB on LSU's team.

Scary good.

— 5-at-10

November 28, 2011 at 11:28 a.m.
Cjoyner said...

The UT-UK game was hard to watch from a distance. I can't imagine what it felt like up close. Where I was, I watched the battle of who could care less between Ole Miss and Miss State looked like Super Bowl III by comparison. I would expect the real loser coming out of this will be MTSU Coach Rick Stockstill as Dooley is forced to recruit against the middies this winter.

November 28, 2011 at 11:29 a.m.
eastridge8 said...

What a SAD performance UT gave Saturday!! (The comments about younger players may answer that question...)

Is Dooley capable of controling this team with that attitude? Why would the younger players NOT want to play/be on field? Why do they think they are on the team? Can Dooley last 1 more year with players acting that way? Can they?

And what happened to "The Derek Dooley Show"? I thought it came on at 1:00 PM on Sundays? And on Sunday night? Did they change the time? I wanted to hear this week's excuses.

LSU will BEAT Georgia...into the ground.

November 28, 2011 at 11:38 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

Hawks Ridge was a fairly stern test but I still hold East Lake in a little higher regard. Made four pars at Hawks Ridge, including a tap in at the last after missing 20 foot birdie try. Didn't come close to making birdie at East Lake.

Have only walked The Honors and The Farm. Never got to tee it up at either.


November 28, 2011 at 11:40 a.m.
Redlegs11 said...

Inquiring minds want to know...are you all over the Trent Richardson Heisman bandwagon? I thought Gary Danielson was going to have to go change his pants he got so excited over the dude. Understand the rivalry a whole lot better than most...but seriously...200 yards against Auburn with that offensive line matched up against Auburn's defensive line isn't that spectacular my friend. A true freshman from Samford hit them up for a buck 25 the week before. I do think Richardson is a better player than Ingram, but Ingram had the worse season of a Heisman-winning tailback since Archie Griffin's dubious second trophy in '75. Everyone knows Ingram's win was a "team" thing. ANd since the trophy goes to the nation's most outstanding player....don't you have to be the best player on your own team? Richardson gets Dq'd on that one alone. Your thoughts?

November 28, 2011 at 11:52 a.m.
patrickd said...

5 at 10, what do you make of this video flying all over the interweb of Gus Malzahn's wife? Could this effect his ability to land a head coaching job in the near future?

November 28, 2011 at 11:54 a.m.
jgreeson said...

CJ —

Did you get too many speeding tickets? Skip some sort of charity event? What other reason could there be to elect to watch the Scrambled Egg Bowl? (Especially since the best team in Mississippi wasn't on the field. What do you think, is there a chance Southern Miss and Miss State meet in a bowl game?)

And what do you mean Derek Dooley is going to START recruiting against MTSU et al.?

ER8 —

That's a great point about the Dooley Show. We'll see if it was pre-emptive for any other reason — other than general stink-i-ness.

The claims of players quitting — especially coming from inside the UT locker room — should be of five-alarm concern for Johnny Vols Fan everywhere.

Spy —

Farm and The Honors are both big-time tracks. Big time. East Ridge was a glory round, too.

Redlegs11 —

Trent Richardson's a beast, and while Auburn's linebackers other than Eltoro Freeman are not going to be confused with SEC linebackers any time soon, Trent was a monster Saturday. And that was against an Auburn defense that was sold-out to stop him — something this same group did very well against Marcus Lattimore.

Concur with your assessment that Trent is better than Ingram and is having a better season than Ingram, who was the best player on the best team that year. Not a fan of the "best player on the best team" approach, and think since LSU is the best team, the Heisman will go back to being to the best player this year. If we had a ballot, it would go Luck, RG III, Richardson.

Did not hear much of Danielson, who normally does fine work, because we were watching the game with a room full of Auburn folks who got pretty loud. It was not pretty. In fact, our 4-year-old thinks Auburn's quarterback's full name is Dang It Cling Moseley.

So it goes.

P-Davi —

Have heard of that video but have not watched it. We'll watch it later and report back.

As for Gus Malzahn's ability to get a head coaching gig, here's saying the putrid Auburn offense of late will be more difficult to overcome than any video of his wife. (Spy, get your mind out of the gutter.)

November 28, 2011 at 12:12 p.m.

jomo hates the Vols so anything he says goes straight into the irrelevent bin.

Moronic fans make too much of lockeroom videos and post-game quotes by 21 year olds. But I did see some quitting by key players (Bray and Rogers, primarily).

A question much closer to home and therefore should be red-hot molten lava is: will John Shulman be around next year? The Moc men are horrible, again, and home attendance is worse than horrible.

November 28, 2011 at 12:30 p.m.
Cjoyner said...

I watched pieces of the rotten egg bowl from the comfort of a Hattiesburg watering hole following the Southern Miss-Memphis felony assault. Interesting, for a change, to see the sheepish MSU fans file in and sit in the back of the bus for a change. (Ole Miss fans were too embarrassed to leave their fish camps, I guess.) As for the Liberty Bowl, Miss State seemed like a good match-up (as did Vandy), but the SEC reportedly is taking a pass on that game this year using some thin excuse of being over-committed. That leaves Southern Miss facing a Big East opponent instead. Southern Miss, which faces #6 Houston Friday for the conference championship, is going to the Liberty Bowl, win or lose, since Houston will get a invite to a more prestigious game. This is the first time Conference USA's championship game will feature ranked opponents. It comes just in time for the conference to blow up, with Houston, Central Fla., Tulsa, and possibly East Carolina moving on. This has been your poor sister report.

November 28, 2011 at 12:59 p.m.
Cjoyner said...

We now return to SEC Talk, already in progress.

November 28, 2011 at 1:07 p.m.
jgreeson said...


There is denying that Jomo does not view the Vols kindly. But more times than not Jomo has used numbers and facts in his rants against UT. You're spot-on about too much can be made over locker room celebrations, especially those in the emotional moments after a game that most think would stay in the locker room.

Post-game quotes, however, usually are pretty telling. And you're right that the effort was simply not there, and it was not there from some of the Vols' "leaders," which makes it twice as damaging.

CJ —

Huge year for your Eagles. And here's hoping MSU and USM end up in the first palindromic Liberty Bowl brought to you by RADAR and MOM. The game can be played at NOON and the teams can tour the CIVIC center there or drive a RACECAR. Hopefully neither team would have an injury, like a torn ROTATOR cuff. We'll stop now, wow pots llew.

Seriously, we'd love to see Miss State and So. Miss go at it. We'd watch that one, and when you're speaking of the non-high profile bowl games, that's goal No. 1.

— 5-at-10

November 28, 2011 at 1:28 p.m.
fechancellor said...


Good question as to how much better will UTK be next year for all of Dooley's freshman and sophomores flooding the field this?

What I'd like to know too is how many starting offensive linemen won at least one "Tennessee Drill" against a defensive starter?

Is this failure to run the ball consistantly, especially against SEC defences spanning from weak to strong, the fault of the offensive line coach? It's his responsibility, so he must pack it up.

"The can't open a hole gang" requires an infusion of courage and character. Can Dooley snare two stud offensive linemen?

November 28, 2011 at 1:30 p.m.
jgreeson said...

FE to the C —

We probably should have pointed this out earlier, but you're right, the O-Line was a wreck. And worse, we thought it was going to be a strength.

As for landing two stud OLs to help next year, well they'd almost certainly have to be Juco guys. And maybe Tiny Richardson will be ready to help next year, but the bagel that was the UT running game was stale and unsatisfying.

— 5-at-10

November 28, 2011 at 1:39 p.m.
Cjoyner said...

Hat tip to 5-at-10. Well done, sir.

November 28, 2011 at 1:40 p.m.
memphisexile said...

After that UT/UTK game I really think we are seeing that Dooley is in over his head. Sure, a lot of UT's problems can be blamed on depth, but some of the coaching decisions were questionable at best. The wildcat mishap in the redzone was a particularly egregious one. At least 2 times this year I remember UT trying that with poor results. If Bray was sick, or his hand hurt, or whatever he needed to be taken out of the game. This game was for a bowl, and a win that at least would keep the UT fans from too much grumbling. They blew it. Against a UK team that was bad even for UK. I was checking on the Tennessee recruiting and it was not looking too great either. Out here in Memphis there are several pretty good prospects for football and NONE of them are choosing UT. One guy at East HS is the 3rd ranked RB in the country and he chose Vandy! It is not looking good for Knoxville, even if they fire Dooley you then have to do ANOTHER rebuild. Who knows how long that takes.

In other news my Tigers are 12-0! I am looking forward to the SEC Championship, and I really think that if Ok. St. beats Oklahoma some behind the scenes BCS magic will happen and they jump Alabama.

November 28, 2011 at 2:12 p.m.
John_Proctor said...

A tip of the hat to the 5@10 for one of the best sports comments I have ever read. To wit,

"It may not be pretty, but they don't draw pictures on the scoreboard."

While it may not rise to the level of Grantland Rice's 4 Horsemen quote, it is dead on when used to describe today's football games. Congrats!

November 28, 2011 at 2:14 p.m.
chas9 said...

Top Tenn Rankings, week 3:

Vandy (5-1) and Memphis (2-2) swap places at the top of this week's rankings. Memphis hasn't gelled yet, but nobody else in the state is strong enough to drop the Tigers farther. The Vols rise one spot after taking Memphis to overtime. UTC clings to tenth only because the rest of the state is even weaker. And Tennessee Tech debuts at #9, having proved more forceful than Wilberforce of the comics, replacing winless Peay.

1) Vandy

2) Memphis

3) Belmont

4) The Vols



7) Tennessee State

8) Lipscomb

9) TN Tech

10) UTC

November 28, 2011 at 2:22 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Exile —

This loss can't be dismissed because of depth or injured QB or whatever. This was a listless performance with a lot on the line in which the players did not seem motivated and the coaches seemed, as you properly phrased it, "in over their heads."

A good recruiting season is of paramount importance for the Dooley regime, if for no other reason than to give Johnny Vols Fan something to feel good about — and to give the pro-Dooley crowd some ammo to support their coach.

LSU is slap nasty. What they did to Arkansas was awfully impressive, especially when you remember that Arkansas was the No. 3 team in the country before last Friday. LSU has wins over three teams in the BCS top 10; the rest of the top 10 has two such wins.

There is a chance that the anti-SEC bias from around the country may lift OSU over Alabama, but that's kind of a longshot.

Mr. Proctor —

Thanks for the kind words, and in truth, the UK coaches across the board did a strong job of not getting in the way, if that makes sense. One of our top responsibilities as the TFP sports editor is to try to give our folks what they need to be successful, then get out of the way and let them be successful. UK coaches realized their defense was having success, and they were moving the ball a little, but as long as they avoided the big turnover or big miscue they had a chance. And that chance turned out to be historic.

— 5-at-10

November 28, 2011 at 2:35 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

Week 3 looks good at the top. Vandy will make a run as long as Stalling doesn't burn them out and Memphis will win 25-plus games. Big game for the Vols tonight — Oakland can play.

Peay may be winless but have they lost to two teams with mascots you would have to look up (like Gardner-Webb and Kennesaw State). UTC is 1-7 — the win over Woodrow Wilson, Tim Taylor's neighbor on "Home Improvement" should not count — and that one was over Savannah State.

And BTG was right in his earlier post, the Mocs are playing in front of dozens of people. Not goof times for UTC hoops right now.

— 5-at-10

November 28, 2011 at 2:39 p.m.
BIspy4 said...


I'm just glad it wasn't a Rex Ryan and his wife video.

And we were also right back of Ken "One call, that's all" Nugent and his group. One of my playing partners, another attorney, dang near hit him with a very wayward tee shot on the 16th.

November 28, 2011 at 3:12 p.m.
chas9 said...

Certainly, Gardner-Webb should be the spiders. Before beating the Mocs (the shoe, not the bird), their greatest win was over KY, in Billy Gillispie's second game. Some Wildcats claim it never got any better under Billy Clyde.

November 28, 2011 at 3:52 p.m.
Bdub13 said...

Hart should have had a very long talk with Dooley today over the future of the program and Dooley's future. If I were Hart, I would give Dooley an 8 win minimum ultimatum for next year. There are no more excuses. Dooley has even fewer excuses given what Martin is doing with the men's basketball team with a fraction of the talent Dooley has.

If Dooley does again go 6-6 or 5-7 next year and UT lets him go, I don't think they have to rebuild. They have the talent, and we've seen it in spurts in several games. What has been lacking is the ability to coach that talent. I think the exception has been Wilcox, to an extent. UT has gotten blown out of the water in several games, but when your offense is consistently going 3 and out, it wears a defense down.

I could have handled the loss to Kentucky a lot better if didn't look like the UT players just didn't care. That to me raises more questions about Dooley as a coach than anything else in the season, and it also makes me concerned about next year.

November 28, 2011 at 3:56 p.m.
fechancellor said...

The silver lining of the Vol's Saturday loss to the Cats? There's now more time to focus on my 7-4 Oakland Raiders.

Carson Palmer 3-0 as starter the longest such streak since Rich Gannon. (This stat is indicative of the depths of my suffering over the last decade or so)

@ Miami next

November 28, 2011 at 4 p.m.

If you are using the "in over his head" term to describe Derek Dooley then you are one of the uninformed fans following the herd.

Stop and think about the job Derek Dooley had in front of him in January 2009. If you don't really know all the issues and problems then you cannot begin to understand the magnitude of job.

Has he taken on too much? Maybe so. But the job needed much more than a ol' ball coach.

November 28, 2011 at 5:18 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

There will never be a mention from the 5-at-10 about Rex, his wife and video. That is a feet nightmare.

If old Heathcliff Slocumb (golfer, not reliever) had his caddie out there, then he's a Chattanooga fellow.

9er —

There have been Kardashian marriages that had brighter futures than Billy Clyde and UK.

BDub —

Excellent point about the magnitude of 2012 for Dooley. And you are not the first UT we've heard from today that thinks the loss was not as bad as the apathy from the players.

FE to the C —

The Raiders are legit, and the 5-at-10 said the Palmer trade was one of those rare big-time blockbusters that benefits both teams. Plus, think what's possible when Darren McFadden gets healthy.


Fair point about what Dooley stepped into. There may not have been a more difficult situation in recent college football history that did not involve major NCAA sanctions.

— 5-at-10

November 28, 2011 at 7:56 p.m.
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