published Saturday, September 24th, 2011

Negotiating Table

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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TunnelRat1 said...

Before all the heated rhetoric begins relative to this subject, I would encourage everyone to watch the documentary, "Occupation 101" a film that includes the observations and conclusions of many prominent Israelis, Palestinians, Christians and others. It can be seen in its entirety at: http://www.youtube.com/user/Occupation101

September 24, 2011 at 4:52 a.m.
EaTn said...

If you can turn your computer screen ninety degrees it will help project the skilled details in this Clay optical illusion drawing.

September 24, 2011 at 4:59 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

Escher flashback... great work.

September 24, 2011 at 5:22 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

How in the world did you draw this? Excellent work, Clay.

September 24, 2011 at 5:34 a.m.
woody said...

It's been said there will never be peace in the Middle East as long as there is at least one Israeli and one Arab still alive. Sad, but true.

Likewise, there will never be any substantial legislation coming forth from Washington D.C. as long as we have to depend upon Democrats and Republicans to work on our behalf(?)..Woody

September 24, 2011 at 6:33 a.m.
limric said...

Well done Clay. A better metaphor for the Israeli - Palestinian debacle there ain't.

Whatever the TFP is paying you, it isn't enough. This is going to go down as another Clay Bennett classic. Today's cartoon will all over the web - guaranteed.

September 24, 2011 at 6:54 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Bennett's depection would have you believe either side is as culpable as the other for failing to reach a solution. Quite the contrary, Netnayahu has pleaded for direct talks and contiues to even in New York. Nothing short of the total elimination of the State of Israel will satisfy the Arabs.

September 24, 2011 at 7:14 a.m.
TunnelRat1 said...

patriot1 said... "Nothing short of the total elimination of the State of Israel will satisfy the Arabs."

How do you know that, patriot1?

September 24, 2011 at 7:30 a.m.
harrystatel said...

"Is the Window Closing on Israel?"

http://lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan186.html

September 24, 2011 at 7:48 a.m.
patriot1 said...

A question like that tells me you've probably been in that tunnel too long rat1.....start by reading the Hamas Charter, it spells out clearly what their goals are

September 24, 2011 at 7:56 a.m.
TunnelRat1 said...

Interesting read, harrystatel.

September 24, 2011 at 8:01 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harrystatel - it is interesting to note common ground in the perspectives of Pat Buchanan and Jimmy Carter.

patriot1 - peace between Israel and the Palestinians would be a lot easier to achieve if there weren't so many Zionist "Christians" in this country, promoting the destruction of the Al Aqsa Mosque and the conversion of Jews to facilitate Armageddon.

September 24, 2011 at 8:29 a.m.
TunnelRat1 said...

patriot1 said...

A question like that tells me you've probably been in that tunnel too long rat1.....start by reading the Hamas Charter, it spells out clearly what their goals are

For me to simply accept your recommendation that I read the Hamas Charter to validate your aforementioned observation would indicate that I accept that Hamas is (1)representative of ALL Palestinians and (2)that the Charter is still relevant. I accept neither as fact. Hamas leaders have even indicated the current irrelevancy of the Charter. If I suggest that you read the THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION will you then read it and say, "Oh, OK, I guess I was wrong." I doubt it, unless you are an idiot. One needs to do much more research, I would think, to solidify an opinion relative to a topic of this magnitude. That's one reason I suggested the documentary on today's first post. It is a multiple award winning film made by Jews, Palestinians and Christians. It was not created by one group alone with inherent biases. Very informative and revealing but cannot be considered a cure for cognitive dissonance. Might I also suggest reading "A Peace To End All Peace" by David Fromkin, a highly acclaimed history and deeply documented account of the Middle East beginning with the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

September 24, 2011 at 8:31 a.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

There's nothing more BO would like than to have Israel wiped off the face of the earth. The only stinkin' reason he's not pushing for a palestinian state right now is because he wants Jews in American to vote for him. Snake! This cartoon is clever, for sure, yet it's just typical leftist crap. The stumbling block to peace, if there is such a thing, are the Palestians who come right out and say they hate Jews and don't want Israel to exist!!! Do you people think Arabs and Muslims crave peace??? Hell no! What's going on in Egypt, Tunisia, Lybia, Sudan? Muslims killing Muslims, Arabs killing Arabs over and over and over. Jews have nothing to do with that.

September 24, 2011 at 8:31 a.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

Hey, Rat, history proves Muslims and Arabs have no interest in peace. What did Abbas just say? He does not recognize a Jewish state. Stick with the present!

September 24, 2011 at 8:40 a.m.
MTJohn said...

ArnoldZiffel said...

Hey, Rat, history proves Muslims and Arabs have no interest in peace.

To the extent that history proves Muslims and Arabs have no interest in peace, it also is true that Israel has no interest in peace, except for peace on terms dictated by Israel.

September 24, 2011 at 8:45 a.m.
TunnelRat1 said...

A recent poll conducted by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem found that 70 per cent of Israelis believe that if the U.N. votes in favor of a Palestinian state, Israel should accept the decision. This is not the position of the Israeli government. If Israel actually has a democratic government, maybe this issue should be put before the people. Of course it may be more of an ethnocratic government.

September 24, 2011 at 8:47 a.m.
TunnelRat1 said...

Nice point, MTJohn.

September 24, 2011 at 8:48 a.m.
TunnelRat1 said...

Arnold - you tell me to stick with the present in the same comment that you want to enlighten me as to history. So, does history matter or does the present matter, or are you suggesting that I do as you say, not as you do? BTW, your take on history is rather broad based and can be shown to be flawed.

September 24, 2011 at 8:53 a.m.
TunnelRat1 said...

Let us also remember, Arnold, that it is estimated that between 50,000 and 90,000 Palestinian Christians live in the West Bank. Food for thought.

September 24, 2011 at 9:15 a.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

Oh, yeah, MTJohn, sure. Isn't it freakin' amazing how peace in an entire region, completely dominated by Muslims and Arabs in both population and land, is completely dependent on a tiny little country, with a tiny population, being exterminated or giving up more land. How stupid! You call it dictating! What it really is is a country surrounded by very, very hostile people who are fixated with wiping them off of the face of the earth. They're in no position to dictate anything. They're out numbered. They want to exist. These so-called Palestinian people aren't even wanted in any other Muslim or Arab countries, yet in Israel they are. Wanting them to stop the call for the death of Jews is not much to ask. Israel is a sovereign country and has every right to defend itself. If you want to go to the source of Muslim and Arab unrest or rage, don't go to Israel, wherever you find Muslims and Arabs you'll find a problem, no matter where in the world. Jews have nothing to do with it. Jews have every right to be where they are.

September 24, 2011 at 9:21 a.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

Christians are not the problem, Rat, it's the Muslims.

September 24, 2011 at 9:23 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

See Clay? When you set aside up your retarded partisanship you do some pretty good work!

September 24, 2011 at 9:33 a.m.
dougmusn said...

If you would like a different perspective on the Arab-Israeli conflict, try reading American history. Turn the wayback machine to the mid-1800's when the Seneca nation (among others in the northern Adirondack and Canadian shield regions) were encouraged to cede their tribal lands to what is now NY state. The Senecas never did sign a treaty affecting the transfer of rights to the early US.

Now, fast forward to the present day when you are sitting on your porch in, say, Syracuse. A man approaches you and tells you he has come for his land. How do you feel now?

Despite the peculiarities of the quantum world, at least in the larger world two people cannot inhabit the same space at the same time.

The arrow of history points from the Balfour declaration through Yad Vashem directly to Jerusalem just as does the Palestinian diaspora and the Intafada(s).

September 24, 2011 at 9:36 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

BRP, thankfully Clay is not here to cater to YOUR retarded partisanship.

September 24, 2011 at 9:56 a.m.
dougmusn said...

Does anyone else find it odd that "ArnoldZiffel" writing above has very strong views on the Middle East issue when his moniker was the name of PIG on Green Acres, an animal neither kosher nor halal in either culture?

September 24, 2011 at 10:05 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

All religious States are anathema to peace. Jewish States, Muslim States, or Christian States should not be allowed to exist. Religion is the bane of a modern society. If you believe the Jews belong in Israel then you should also agree that Chattanooga belongs to the Cherokees, and Texas belongs to the Mexicans.

September 24, 2011 at 10:22 a.m.
macropetala8 said...

Clay Bennett is BRILLIANT!! Thought provoking*.

September 24, 2011 at 10:32 a.m.
TunnelRat1 said...

To onetinsoldier: nice point. To Arnold: Actually, Christians are a big part of the problem. Also, as I stated above a recent poll BY THE VERY LARGE HEBREW UNIVERSITY IN JERUSALEM indicated that the citizenry of Israel would be willing to accept a Palestinian state. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me and it ought to be good enough for you.

September 24, 2011 at 11:10 a.m.
limric said...

To 'onetinsoldier', Here here. Well said.

"To understand a religious state, we need not listen to its profession of faith but must find its brand of intolerance." - Eric Hoffer (paraphrased)

September 24, 2011 at 11:36 a.m.
Rufus_T_Firefly said...

Life is so short. Why do people hate one another so profoundly?

Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr

The Hatfields and the McCoys

Etc.................

September 24, 2011 at 1:07 p.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

Actually, no, Rat, Muslims are always THE problem. Whether it's with each other (sects) or with anyone who doesn't believe as they do. We would be much closer to peace, if there's such a thing, if the Muslim world didn't exist.
There's only one party at that negotiating table who is calling for the death, destruction and elimination of the other party. Guess which one???? Why should a sovereign country cooperate with any group that not only calls for their country to be wiped out, but thaT it's people should be killed? It's pure anti-semitism and nothing else. It's irrational! Irrational like those like you leftists who believe terrorist should be negotiated with. The palestinian people are led by terrorists, that's who represents them. You can talk about how the people want peace and how the people of Israel want peace with the palestinians, yet you always overlook the simple and most important fact, and that is that the palestinian leaders want Jews killed and Israel wiped out.

September 24, 2011 at 2:34 p.m.
01centare said...

ArnoldZiffel said... Actually, no, Rat, Muslims are always THE problem. Whether it's with each other (sects) or with anyone who doesn't believe as they do.

Parroting YOU! Arnold. With a few changes, of course. ;)

(I.) Actually, no, Rat, "Christians are always THE problem. Whether it's with each other (sects) or with anyone who doesn't believe as they do.

(II.)Actually, no, Rat, "JAINISM" are always THE problem. Whether it's with each other (sects) or with anyone who doesn't believe as they do.

(III.) Actually, no, Rat, "BUDDHISM" are always THE problem. Whether it's with each other (sects) or with anyone who doesn't believe as they do.

(IV.) Actually, no, Rat, "TAOISM" are always THE problem. Whether it's with each other (sects) or with anyone who doesn't believe as they do.

(V.) Actually, no, Rat, "CONFUCIASM" are always THE problem. Whether it's with each other (sects) or with anyone who doesn't believe as they do.

(V.) Actually, no, Rat, "SHINTO" are always THE problem. Whether it's with each other (sects) or with anyone who doesn't believe as they do.

(VI.) Actually, no, Rat, "JUDAISM" are always THE problem. Whether it's with each other (sects) or with anyone who doesn't believe as they do.

(VII.) Actually, no, Rat, "ZOROASTRIANISM" are always THE problem. Whether it's with each other (sects) or with anyone who doesn't believe as they do.

____"GET IT?!" Probably NOT!____

All religions of the world were created by man. Anything man has touched or created is F&^%$! up! ALL INCLUSIVE even "Crhistianity."

September 24, 2011 at 3:15 p.m.

How does calling for the destruction of the State of Israel and the death of Jews help the peace process along?

To blame Jews for all the ills of the world is getting really old, literally! To think it's all going to be ok if Israel no longer exists is about as dumb as believing our society is better off if babies are aborted.

At least you liberals are consistant. Consistantly irrational.

September 24, 2011 at 3:18 p.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

Nope, O1! Dead wrong! Only one religion in the year 2011 is he problem. Guess which one? Sorry, dude, the facts speak otherwise. Having your own belief and being proud of it isn't the problem, the problem is when you believe other beliefs need to be eliminated! One religion owns that approach. Guess which one? Some faiths may be critical of other ones, but only Muslims beleive killing those who don't believe as they do will be a ticket to heaven. There're micelanious crackpots of every faith, no one disputes that, but only Islam is capable of organized terrrorism backed by it's leaders. The facts speak loud and clear!!

September 24, 2011 at 3:30 p.m.

How in the world did you draw this? Excellent work, Clay. (sin-di)

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September 24, 2011 at 3:50 p.m.
TunnelRat1 said...

ArnoldZiffel said... but only Islam is capable of organized terrrorism backed by it's leaders. The facts speak loud and clear!!

Let's see, arnold did you ever hear of the Crusades, are you familiar with Manifest Destiny, does the Portuguese and the Jesuits in Brazil ring a bell, any familiarity with the atrocities committed by Conquistadors in the name of God, ever read the Old Testament? Heard of The King David Massacre, ever wonder why Ariel Sharon was referred to as "the Butcher of Beirut"? I could go on but somehow I don't think it will sink in. If you truly believe your quote that I pasted above then I must say sir, you are genuinely ignorant.

September 24, 2011 at 6:29 p.m.
BobMKE said...

When the Palestinians lay down their weapons, there will be peace. When the Jews lay down their weapons, there will be no Israel.

(Author unknown - help anyone? The present Prime Minister?)

September 24, 2011 at 7:01 p.m.
01centare said...

ArnoldZiffel said... Nope, O1! Dead wrong! Only one religion in the year 2011 is he problem. Guess which one? Sorry, dude, the facts speak otherwise

Obviously you're not aware of what's been going on in other parts of the world in the name of a "christian" god? Mr Bennett got it right. OH, and btw--Clay Bennett is Jewish. Just thought I'd throw that one in for good measure.

September 24, 2011 at 9:54 p.m.
01centare said...

TunnelRat1 said... ArnoldZiffel said... but only Islam is capable of organized terrrorism backed by it's leaders. The facts speak loud and clear!!

Let's see, arnold did you ever hear of the Crusades, are you familiar with Manifest Destiny, does the Portuguese and the Jesuits in Brazil ring a bell, any familiarity with the atrocities committed by Conquistadors in the name of God, ever read the Old Testament? Heard of The King David Massacre, ever wonder why Ariel Sharon was referred to as "the Butcher of Beirut"? I could go on but somehow I don't think it will sink in

You're speaking to air_HEADS.

Hitler considered himself a christian and blamed the death of Jesus on the Jews.

Pol Pot {Vietnam} set out to "christianized" the Vietnamese people and monks(he slaughtered over a million Vietnamese). Perhaps you're not old enough to remember the footage of the monk setting himself on fire and burning alive in protest?

The "Christian" Crusades are ongoing throughout much of the world, if only by proxy.

Why do you think some leaders were telling military persons fighting in Iraq the conflict was a "religious war" for a spell?

Why do you think American military persons had to risk their lives by going into Iraq and bringing out Americans caught passing out "christian" religious material and accused of trying to convert Iraqi Muslims? Those military persons were rightly pis^%! That they had to go in an risk their lives.

September 24, 2011 at 10:02 p.m.
rolando said...

Whoever it was knew what [s]he was talking about, bobMKE.


Sounds like you've had "rubber on the ramp" over there, ArnoldZ. What do you think will happen when Iran looks ready to hit Israel, nukewise, as they surely will? Israel has its own nukes, after all...and the means to deliver them. I recall the Six-Day War...and the USS Liberty. They aren't particular who they hit when they feel threatened in a certainly life or death way...

September 24, 2011 at 10:05 p.m.
dude_abides said...

BigRidgePatriot said... See Clay? When you set aside up your retarded partisanship you do some pretty good work!

See BRP? When you give someone a compliment you still are a total fascist a$$hole! I bet there are people on other continents talking about this cartoon, and the only audience you have is me. Yet, somehow, you feel superior and positioned to condescend.

September 24, 2011 at 11:46 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Arnold stated above:

"We would be much closer to peace, if there's such a thing, if the Muslim world didn't exist. There's only one party at that negotiating table who is calling for the death, destruction and elimination of the other party."

Do you even read what you write?? you are what you fear.

September 26, 2011 at 10:13 a.m.
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