published Sunday, April 22nd, 2012

Earth Day Cake

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Must be one of those fancy-store bought cakes.

April 22, 2012 at 12:18 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Earth Day gets one day. Colon Cancer get a whole month. What's more important Mr. Gore?

April 22, 2012 at 12:21 a.m.

Sorry, BobMKE, but it's not the time period that matters. Besides, they can't schedule all of the colonoscopy procedures on one day.

April 22, 2012 at 12:35 a.m.
MTJohn said...

The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods. Psalms 24:1-2 (KJV)

We have been lousy stewards of God's creation.

April 22, 2012 at 6:20 a.m.
patriot1 said...

I called tfp and told them to stop throwing that rag they call a newspaper in my driveway.....that should help!!!

April 22, 2012 at 6:41 a.m.
EaTn said...

I bought my grandson a birthday cake with some of his favorite miniature toys decorating the top--this one must be an adult birthday cake by looking at the adult throw-away toys inside.

April 22, 2012 at 6:55 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

As long as we have a political system where corporate money essentially hires and fires our representatives, Earth Day will continue to be nothing more than a mere gesture. . . and the ugly reminder of this fact continues to be the BP deepwater drilling disaster:

“Two years after the blowout of the BP oil well drilled by the Deepwater Horizon rig in the Gulf of Mexico, the United States is largely failing to act on the lessons learned from that experience to ensure that deep-water drilling and production is safe and environmentally compatible.

In particular, the US Congress has not enacted any legislation to improve safety and protect the environment. Meanwhile, high oil prices are stimulating the expansion of drilling into ever deeper waters in the Gulf of Mexico, as well as off Brazil, Africa and Europe. Drilling is also proceeding in shallower, but ice-prone, regions of the Arctic, including the Beaufort and Chukchi seas off Alaska."

"The 2010 accident showed that no operating company in the world had the capacity to rapidly contain a deep-water blowout. It took months of seat-of-the-pants engineering to build and deploy a capping stack that provided effective containment. Confusion reigned over the fate of the oil and gas released 1,500 metres below the surface, largely because of a lack of understanding of the operating environment, including the direction and speed of water currents, and the behaviour of hydrocarbons released at depth.”

http://www.nature.com/news/deep-water-drilling-remains-a-risky-business-1.10464

April 22, 2012 at 7:29 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

The wacko earth muffins would be happy if everybody just committed suicide and left the planet altogether. What a bunch of loons.

April 22, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Toes02800 said: "The wacko earth muffins would be happy if everybody just committed suicide and left the planet altogether. What a bunch of loons."

So what exactly are you Romney boys saying? Sounds like you're saying that it’s silly of us to be concerned about our environment and disasters like BP’s deepwater drilling blowout that caused about 4.9 million barrels of crude oil to leak into the Gulf of Mexico.

April 22, 2012 at 8:07 a.m.
MTJohn said...

When the money muffins discover that they can't buy a glass of clean water or a breath of fresh air, the real wackos will be revealed.

April 22, 2012 at 8:12 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

The environmental impact of the blowout was way over blown. So you agree that with Obama that we should be paying well over $5.00 a gallon for gas? Don't you think that BP and all oil companies have learned something from this? There're literally thousands of off shore wells out there, we have a problem with one and you want to pull the plug on all of them? That's one of the problems with liberals, you use one bad example to throw the baby out with the bath water. Seven billion people cannot live on this planet without having an impact. Alternative energy is no where near ready to replace oil. Do they make a battery that can lift a 747 off the ground? Did you know that the chemicals used to make photo-voltaic cell are much more deadly than oil? The plastic used in your electric cars is made from oil (and the batteries are full of acid). the water bottle your drinking from is made from oil. I bet you turn on the lights every morning with energy from coal fired power plants. I bet the house you live in is made of wood. Your goofy windmills are killing more bald eagles and other birds at a faster rate than any fossil fueled power plant. What do you want, horse and buggy days again?

April 22, 2012 at 8:22 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Toes02800 claims: "The environmental impact of the blowout was way over blown."

Says who, Toes02800? Mitt Romney? Every report that I’ve read has said that the environmental fallout of BP's deepwater disaster in the Gulf is still in contention so how can you say it is over blown? Care to share your source for your claim?

April 22, 2012 at 8:46 a.m.
conservative said...

Thousands of years ago heathens would come out of their mud huts and worship the sun, moon, stars and the earth. They had their pagan holidays for this worship. Things have not changed much since.

April 22, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
librul said...

Xtian celebrations owe their existence to pagans since they co-opted pagan celebrations and repurposed them for their own use. Thus, xtianity is nothing but repurposed paganism - only it went wild with the "magic kingdom" and all of its supernaturalism which REQUIRED faith for it to be believed.

After enough people were murdered for resisting such idiocy, faith took hold and now we're all suffering the consequences since our relationship with nature and our life-giving Earth has been so poisoned by that vile influence.

April 22, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said..."Thousands of years ago heathens would come out of their mud huts and worship the sun, moon, stars and the earth."

And, today, conservative Christians insist that the world was created in six days and that humans have the right to desecrate God's handiwork. Some even go so far as to suggest they have a duty to trash the earth because it will facilitate the rapture.

April 22, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.

TOES02800: Did you read the article? Or just quote the title and hope we wouldn't notice?

"Two years after the oil spill, scientists cite lesions and other deformities in some Gulf fish as a sign of lingering environmental damage. They can't say for sure what's causing the fish ailments or if there really are more sick fish today than in the past."

My word, it's not a blanket statement of "Everything's fine" as you would have had us believe. If you want to say there's some people getting hysterical over everything, fine, but wait wait, they're on the right-wing side too. Or have you not met the people who go into screaming fits over CFL bulbs?

However, what about the people who said "Well, this is an expensive bit of work" were they wrong? Or am I imagining the over 10 billion dollars BP reports having spent on the clean-up? Am I imagining the reduced harvests from fishing in the Gulf?

And all this, for want of a few hundred thousand dollars worth of prevention.

Try some more articles published this week:

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-04/D9U873D82.htm http://www.npr.org/2012/04/20/151053737/two-years-later-bp-spill-reminders-litter-gulf-coast http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57418248/tar-patches-deformed-fish-gulf-shows-signs-of-damage-two-years-after-oil-spill/

But no, it's actually the environmentalists who are opposed to suicide, and in favor of prudence and reason. Much like the fire safety officer who insists you not smoke in the chemical storage area doesn't want you to kill everybody else with your reckless conduct.

conservative: Your willingness to try to disparage others with loaded terms like "heathen" and "pagan" only reflects your own prejudice. Thanks again, for showing us the true meaning of conservative philosophy.

BTW, did you enjoy the Easter Egg events, or a Christmas tree? Or did you rip them down for the pagan idols they really are? Did you refuse to celebrate the false date that was taken from another festival, and insist on celebrating the real birth in an appropriate time?

April 22, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Toes02800

You’ve got to be kidding me. In no way does your 9:00 A.M. Huffington Post link support your claim that “the environmental impact of the blowout was way over blown.

The Huffington article is simply saying that we shouldn't worry about eating diseased fish from the Gulf because the FDA rules and regulations do not allow any diseased fish to be sold.

Again, everything that I’ve read says the long term environmental effects are unknown at this point, including health related issues involving people:

“Monitoring and research so far on the Gulf Coast has yet to make clear scientific links between health concerns and the oil spill, whether exposure to the crude oil, vapors, contaminated seafood or the chemical dispersants used to break the oil apart.

A dearth of long-term studies on previous oil spills doesn’t help. Of course, the BP spill also differed from each prior disaster in terms of its magnitude, duration, emission source and an unprecedented use of dispersants and controlled burns.

“We have a piece here and a piece there, but we don’t have the whole picture put together,” says Dr. Robert Geller of Emory University’s Rollins School of Public Health. “The sense I have: Many children have symptoms, but it’s unclear if the symptoms are related to the Gulf oil spill, or in spite of Gulf oil spill.”

The federal government, with several academic research institutions, is actively monitoring the health of a large number of cleanup workers and coastal residents in an effort to fill in some of the missing pieces, but findings are likely still years away. . .

On Wednesday, BP announced it had reached a settlement with more than 100,000 plaintiffs, including individuals seeking medical damage claims. Scott Dean, a BP spokesman, tells The Huffington Post that the agreement “resolves the substantial majority of legitimate claims of cleanup workers and residents of specified Gulf Coast beachfront and wetlands areas.”

The settlement covers certain chronic respiratory, eye and skin conditions that began or worsened within a couple days of exposure to the spill. Mental health issues, cancers and birth defects are among the excluded ailments, although people can still file claims for these and other unlisted medical conditions, including ones that may develop in the years ahead. The burden is on plaintiffs to prove cause and effect."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/gulf-oil-spill-anniversary-children_n_1438959.html?ref=bp-oil-spill

April 22, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel: Why do you reference Romney to this? How can an intellectual of your standing be so one-minded? Eh?

April 22, 2012 at 10:05 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

"One may as well dam for water tanks the people's cathedrals and churches, for no holier temple has ever been consecrated by the heart of man." John Muir

Today the sheeples, will gather in churches, oblivious to the cathedral collapsing around them. What kind of god would offer heaven to those unwilling to take care of earth.

April 22, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MtJohn said: “Today, conservative Christians insist that the world was created in six days and that humans have the right to desecrate God's handiwork. Some even go so far as to suggest they have a duty to trash the earth because it will facilitate the rapture.”

Speaking of Christians and politics, I read an interesting article comparing the Christians in the U.S. with those in the United Kingdom. Apparently, the Christians in the U.K. tend to leftwing, which for anyone who has actually read the Sermon on the Mount is not too surprising:

“Here's a newspaper headline that might induce a disbelieving double take: "Christians 'More Likely to Be Leftwing' And Have Liberal Views on Immigration and Equality." Sounds too hard to believe, right? Well, it's true -- only not here in America, but in the United Kingdom. . .

Here in the United States, those who self-identify as religious tend to be exactly the opposite of their British counterparts when it comes to politics. As the Pew Research Center recently discovered, "Most people who agree with the religious right also support the Tea Party" and its ultra-conservative economic agenda.

Summing up the situation, scholar Gregory Paul wrote in The Washington Post that many religious Christians in America simply ignore the Word and "proudly proclaim that the creator of the universe favors free-wheeling, deregulated union busting, minimal taxes, especially for wealthy investors, and plutocrat-boosting capitalism as the ideal earthly scheme for his human creations.

Of course, many Americans who cite Christianity to justify their economic conservatism may not have actually read the Bible. In that sense, religion has become more of a superficial brand rather than a distinct catechism, and brands can be easily manipulated by self-serving partisans and demagogues. To know that is to read the Sermon on the Mount and then marvel at how anyone still justifies right-wing beliefs by invoking Jesus.”

http://blog.oregonlive.com/opinion_impact/print.html?entry=/2012/04/contradiction_where_religion_a.html

April 22, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel: You seem like a nice person. But you're soooo full of it.

April 22, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
dude_abides said...
April 22, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
MTJohn said...

MountainLaurel - there are plenty of Christians in the United States who align with social justice issues, like the UK Christians described in the article that you cited. However, they don't get the headlines in the U.S. press because "liberal" U.S. Christians also respect separation of church/state and understand that politics do not belong in the pulpit.

April 22, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack - you seem like a person who would rather demean those with whom you disagree than to substantively articulate the reasons for your disagreement.

April 22, 2012 at 11:07 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

MT: glass houses and so forth.

April 22, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: "Why do you reference Romney to this? How can an intellectual of your standing be so one-minded? Eh?"

One minded? Please, Jack. It has been two years since the BP deepwater disaster occurred and the U.S. Congress has not adopted one single piece of legislation that would help to prevent this kind of deepwater disaster from occurring again.

Indeed, in spite of all those Congressional hearings, recommendations, and long winded promises, Congressional Republicans along with Mitt Romney have opted to play a game of partisan patty-cake as a way to avoid establishing stricter controls over these oil companies:

“A presidential commission that investigated the Gulf oil spill blasted Congress for inaction Tuesday as it issued a report card on industry and government response to the massive BP oil spill.

“Across the board, we are disappointed with Congress’s lack of action. Two years have passed since the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon killed 11 workers, and Congress has yet to enact one piece of legislation to make drilling safer,” said former Florida Sen. Bob Graham, a Democrat who co-chaired the presidential commission.

Congress earned a “D’’ from the seven former commissioners, who have reunited to press for action to improve drilling safety. The group said Congress has provided neither leadership nor financial support for safety improvement efforts.

Congress’s failure to act stands in contrast to both the Obama administration and the oil industry, which have both made important safety advances, Graham and other commissioners said. The administration received a “B’’ grade while the oil industry received a “C-plus.”

William K. Reilly, a former administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency and a co-chair of the presidential commission, said he was encouraged by progress being made by the Interior Department and the oil industry, including BP. . .

He was less forgiving of Congress, calling their reaction to the spill “very partisan and negative.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/former-gulf-oil-spill-commission-gives-congress-a-d-on-safety-reforms/2012/04/17/gIQADAnAOT_story.html

April 22, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
moonpie said...

I think there is plenty of room at the Earth Day table for conservatives and liberals alike. We all care about clean water, clean air, and using reasonable sustainable resources.

From what I can gather is that most conservatives aren't inherently opposed to sustainable/renewable energy sources, but they just believe that private entities and the free market should drive it and that we should use the resources we have at our disposal. They also don't seem to give much credit to the theory that global climate change is, in part, man made... this last bit would give them less pause about pursing energy sources that are less clean.

I think liberals believe that if we don't create incentives and support renewable energy, then the free market won't buy in until it is too late. As the climate changes, even the skeptics may do all they can to limit their footprint.... just in case man can play a role. By then, it may be too late.

But I can see it now.... what if we did convince the majority of people to live within our ecological means and we all lowered our waste and greenhouse gases, and the ecologic disaster did NOT occur.... Do you know what the doubters would say? They would say, "See, we told you it wouldn't happen. You made all these changes and nothing happened."

That's human nature, I guess.

In the end so much of this still comes down to population control. Affordable birth control for everyone. Though they have gone about it poorly, China has faced this issue for years. I think we should learn from their successes and mistakes...

April 22, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Moonpie: Affordable birth control is already available. This issue is a red-herring put forth by lefties re the fake war on women. The legion of unattractive women chasing wind-mills is almost humorous.

April 22, 2012 at 1:35 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MtJohn said: “We have been lousy stewards of God's creation.”

What you say is true, MTJohn. Earlier today I read an article that says it's time to call these violent and erratic climate change events global weirding, and I think they’re probably right:

“On the 42nd Earth Day, April 22, 2012, it’s time for a change. No more flowers and beach balls that look like the earth. . .

Flying semi-trucks and 4 feet of hail should now be our visuals for Earth Day. . .

“Global warming” is far too benign a term for the kind of violent and erratic climate change events that are now becoming commonplace in the U.S. as well as around the world. Global warming doesn’t sound like a condition that will result in the destruction of livelihood, home, perhaps even family or life. But these are effects of what is now happening to our planet.

“Global weirding” is a term coined by Hunter Lovins, cofounder of the Colorado-based Rocky Mountain institute. This is a much better description for the kinds of erratic and increasingly violent climate effects we are now experiencing. As I have argued in my book, “Dreaming of Eden: American Religion and Politics in a Wired World,” our climate is now “where the weird things are.”

Weird names the scary. And you should be scared. Weird names the disorderly, even violent climate events that are increasingly erratic and dangerous. You should be afraid. Everyone should be afraid of flying semi-trucks.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/a-new-earth-day-theology/2012/04/22/gIQAvxLmZT_blog.html

April 22, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack_Dennis said..."MT: glass houses and so forth."

Jack, I have made frequent posts that challenge what others have had to say. I would challenge you to find any posts in which I have assaulted the character of another poster.

April 22, 2012 at 2 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said..."Low grade B.S. !!

All well established religions,right or left, are nothing if not political in nature."

TQ - you are welcome to worship with my congregation. Our worship is consistently focused on the gospel.

April 22, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

Happy Birthday Comrade Lenin, may you and your lamebrain adherents burn in hell forever.

April 22, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
conservative said...

MtJohn.......

You wrote..."And, today, conservative Christians insist that the world was created in six days." You certainly got that right!!! Christians believe the word of GOD and want to CONSERVE the word of GOD in contrast to Lieberals who don't. So the term conservative Christian is redundant. However, your recognition of that fact is important in that the lost may actually believe there is such a thing as a "liberal Christian."

Your "and that humans have the right to desecrate God's handiwork" is not only a false accusation but a contradiction of evolution in that believers of that faith don't believe GOD created heaven and earth.

In a prior discussion you maintained that homosexuals will enter into the kingdom of GOD. You have been bamboozled my friend. I suggest you read the word of GOD for yourself instead of relying on what some heathen says about the word of GOD.

April 22, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

ScottyM said: "Happy Birthday Comrade Lenin, may you and your lamebrain adherents burn in hell forever."

Actually, ScottyM, the origin of the Koch fortune began with the family’s contracts with Joseph Stalin - not Vladimir Lenin. Needless to say, the Koch Brothers have continued to follow in their father’s destructive footsteps. Indeed, Koch Industries has become a big time polluter:

"Koch Industries, which the brothers own, is one of the top ten polluters in the in the United States -- which perhaps explains why the Kochs have given $60 million to climate denial groups between 1997 and 2010.

The Kochs are the oil and gas industry's biggest donors to the congressional committee with oversight of the hazardous Keystone XL oil pipeline. They and their employees gave more than $300,000 to members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee in 2010 alone.

From 1998-2008, Koch-controlled foundations gave more than $196 million to organizations that favor polices that would financially enrich the two brothers. In addition, Koch Industries spent $50 million on lobbying and some $8 million in PAC contributions.

A Huffington Post source who was at a three-day retreat of conservative billionaires said the Koch brothers pledged to donate $60 million to defeat President Obama in 2012 and produce pledges of $40 million more from others at the retreat.

Koch Industries has an annual production capacity of 2.2 billion pounds of the carcinogen formaldehyde. The company has worked to keep it from being classified as a carcinogen even though David Koch is a prostate cancer survivor.

The Senate Select Committee on Indian Affairs accused Koch Oil of scheming to steal $31 million of crude oil from Native Americans. Although the company claimed it was accidental, a former executive in this operation said Charles Koch had known about it and had responded to the overages by saying, “I want my fair share, and that’s all of it.”

http://open.salon.com/blog/robert_greenwald/2012/04/10/top_ten_koch_facts

April 22, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.
Greyhawk said...

Sticks and stones may break my bones. But Please Don't Use Sticks or Stones!

April 22, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

MTjohn: Ok, so you're just a whiner. wah, wah, wah.

April 22, 2012 at 4:30 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

mtlrl,

What the hell does the fact that your lamebrain eco-nut comrades chose the birthday of a murderous, power hungry monster as the day to celebrate your misanthropic earth worship religion have to do with the Koch brothers?

I've seen you make some absurd connections before, but I just can't wrap my head around this one.

I suppose it is the disconnect between those of us who live in a reality based world vs. those (like you) who live in the fog of a far-left propaganda based fantasy.

April 22, 2012 at 6:08 p.m.
WHS1970 said...

Where's jonses?

April 22, 2012 at 7:31 p.m.
moonpie said...

JonRoss,

You say democrats can be trusted because they have ruined our economy. That is an opinion and not a fact. Just because you firmly believe something, does not make it true.

Jack-Dennis,

Affordable is a relative term. Accessibility is a part of afforabiity. There are a few places where birth control can be obtained for free. However, the long wait times, time away from work.... make them unaffordable. Some women have a contra-indication to certain birth control methods and may require more expensive methods such as an IUD, which insurance companies do not make affordable. And, by the way, how do you feel about subsidizing Europe's and Canada's birth control and drug costs? You do that with our current system. Would you like to know how?

April 22, 2012 at 8:03 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

If a woman is having so much sex that she needs the government to pay for her birth control, I would have to say, she's a slut. On a side note: If the democrats are pro-choice (pro-abortion), then is it safe to say that THEY are the ones waging the "war on women"? After all, aren't at least half of the aborted children female? ......just a thought.

April 22, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

ScottyM cried: “What the hell does the fact that your lamebrain eco-nut comrades chose the birthday of a murderous, power hungry monster as the day to celebrate your misanthropic earth worship religion have to do with the Koch brothers? I've seen you make some absurd connections before, but I just can't wrap my head around this one."

For heaven sakes, ScottyM. With the possible exception of you, who would have known or even cared or even thought about such a thing? Since today’s political cartoon is about Earth Day and since the Koch Brothers are notorious polluters whose family has a historical connection with the old Soviet Union, it was sort of reasonable to assume that the Koch Brothers were the people you were referencing in your post.

As for your complaint about the date, the first Earth Day occurred in 1970 during the Richard Nixon Presidency. According to the Earth Day Network, the 1970 Earth Day “achieved a rare political alignment, enlisting support from Republicans and Democrats, rich and poor, city slickers and farmers, tycoons and labor leaders,” which sounds great to me. Apparently, it was established shortly after a massive oil spill in Santa Barbara, California:

“The Santa Barbara oil spill occurred in January and February 1969 in the Santa Barbara Channel, near the city of Santa Barbara in Southern California. It was the largest oil spill in United States waters at the time, and now ranks third after the 2010 Deepwater Horizon and 1989 Exxon Valdez spills. It remains the largest oil spill to have occurred in the waters off California.

The source of the spill was a blow-out on January 28, 1969, 6 miles (10 km) from the coast on Union Oil's Platform A in the Dos Cuadras Offshore Oil Field. Within a ten-day period, an estimated 80,000 to 100,000 barrels (13,000 to 16,000 m3)[1] of crude oil spilled into the Channel and onto the beaches of Santa Barbara County in Southern California, fouling the coastline from Goleta to Ventura as well as the northern shores of the four northern Channel Islands.

The spill had a significant impact on marine life in the Channel, killing thousands of sea birds, as well as marine animals such as dolphins, elephant seals, and sea lions. The public outrage engendered by the spill, which received prominent media coverage in the United States, resulted in numerous pieces of environmental legislation within the next several years, legislation that forms the legal and regulatory framework for the modern environmental movement in the U.S.”

April 22, 2012 at 9:25 p.m.
moonpie said...

Toe virtually quoted Rush and said, "If a woman is having so much sex that she needs the government to pay for her birth control, I would have to say, she's a slut."

Toe, Toe, Toe, perhaps that's why you're named that because it's the only part of the anatomy that you understand.....

A woman who is devoted to one man can get pregnant more easily than a woman undevoted to many. The more men a woman sleeps with, the more at risk she is for Chlamydia and other diseases that cause infertility.... So really, it's the monogamous woman who needs the most protection. So what you imply, perhaps through ignorance, is that monogamous sexually active women are sluts.

Nice.

What about the woman who has sex once and gets pregnant? Is she a slut, too.

Do you understand that the human female is fertile only for a short time frame each month? This means, sex just once, at the wrong time can result in pregnancy? It also means, for more than half the month, she can have sex without the risk of pregnancy.....

I forgive your ignorance of this subject. Read this. Digest it. And be less ignorant next time. (Ignorance is not a slam. There are many subjects I am ignorant about.... such as umbrella repair.)

April 22, 2012 at 9:46 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: "MTjohn: Ok, so you're just a whiner. wah, wah, wah."

C'mon Jack. I’ve yet to read any of MTJohn’s posts that even come close to a whine. His posts have been consistently informative, and he has always been respectful to other posters. Indeed, I wish I had MTJohn’s patience. You could learn something from him as well.

April 22, 2012 at 9:56 p.m.

Well, at least there's still some discussion vaguely related to Earth Day remaining here.

Not much, but some.

If anybody needs something to do for Earth Day though, there's still plenty of trash on our highways. If you don't want to pick it up, at least avoid adding to it.

April 22, 2012 at 10:48 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel: Yessum.

April 23, 2012 at midnight
joneses said...

The majority of present-day Democrats don't know what they are. They don't understand the issues, can't even identify the major politicians that shape our government, and have no cohesive philosophy.

So many Democrats, principally the self-professed ultra liberal ones, don't even understand the definition of the terms they are dealing with. For example, if someone is touting a new government program, all they have to do to lure the clueless, hapless Liberal is to present the idea as being the fulfillment of social justice, that it is a program of generosity. Libs eat this stuff up, but they don't realize what is being put before them is pure Socialism.

Soviet dictator Khrushchev once observed: "We can't expect the American people to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas

You may think I am being dismissive of Democrats, but in my experience, Conservatives think, Liberals just feel. I once had a heated argument with a Liberal. When I produced a copy of the Constitution and conclusively proved that what he was talking about was not written there, he didn't admit that he was wrong. He just shot back, "Oh yeah? Well......... it should be!"

That is the Liberal attitude in a nutshell. They don't care about reality. They believe that whatever they conceive as being best should be adopted, no matter whether it is sensible, practical, or if it is even Constitutional. Source(s): These are modern Democrats. Thomas Jefferson must be weeping.

April 23, 2012 at 6:48 a.m.
BobMKE said...

jonses,

Great post. Now the libs will cherry pick one thing or, since they don't have any substance, they will attack you. We're use to that aren't we? I really doubt any of them will take your points and in a nice way give their opinion/facts why you are wrong and the people in your posts are wrong in their quotes.

April 23, 2012 at 8:34 a.m.
dude_abides said...

joneses said... " I once had a heated argument with a Liberal. When I produced a copy of the Constitution and conclusively proved..."

That sentence just reeks of BS! lol Do you carry it around in a flag themed fanny pack, just in case you have to prove something to some liberal you might run into, at some point? lol Maybe you called 'time out' in your 'heated argument' to run home and grab your copy! Did you then take the 30 minutes necessary to read it, in unison, with this liberal freedom hater? Man, y'all must have been arguing heatedly for quite some time! So, tell me, how's the weather there in Youtopia (pop. 1)?

April 23, 2012 at 9:38 a.m.
dude_abides said...

BobMKE... "Oh yeah? Well......... it should be!"

April 23, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.
BobMKE said...

dude,

I rest my case.

April 23, 2012 at 10:08 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quo_que's Koch Brothers advocacy: “More LIbtard lies and unsubstantiated accusations. The quote you provided was the claim of a disgruntled former employee with absolutely no verification that it ever happened . . . Passing along details like that only makes you a rumor monger and little else. . . As for stealing the Indian’s oil here are some further details etc.”

Your accusations suggest you haven’t done much research on the business practices of the Koch Industries. You may want to start by checking out Bloomberg’s “Koch Brothers Flout Law With Secret Iran Sales,” By Asjylyn Loder and David Evans. The article provides a well-documented overview of the cheat methods, employee testimonies, and improper business practices of Koch Industries, including the millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment they sold to Iran, which is a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism.

In regard to your alleged “details” and “further update,” the Bloomberg article also mentions the incidents involving Native American oil and lands, and provides specific facts as to the actual outcome of the matter. According to the "Koch Brothers Flout Law With Secret Iran Sales," article, “Two days before Christmas 1999, the jury delivered the verdict: Koch Industries had made 24,587 false claims in buying oil, underpaying the U.S. government for royalties on Native American land from 1985 to 1989. Koch paid the U.S. $25 million to settle the case in 2001.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

April 23, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
potcat said...

Can you imagine jonsie whipping any thing out, much less the Constitution to prove his insane interpretation on any written word, talk about LMAO, WoW.

April 23, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
dude_abides said...

bob, you have no case, but rest it anyway.

April 23, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.

Actually, joneses is showing the conservative attitude in a nutshell.

All somebody has to do to whip him up into a fervor is to describe something as "communist" and he'll be opposed, damn opposed to it, without actually giving it a thought or consideration.

After all if it's communist, it's evil, and that's what he knows he knows.

And note how joneses cites an unsubstantiated anecdotal experience without even any details. Perhaps the "liberal" joneses so despises was correct, because the version of the Constitution joneses produced was lacking the latest Amendment (the one restricting Congress from changing its compensation). How would we know otherwise? We can't! We don't even know what version of the Constitution joneses produced!

And even if the liberal was actually saying "It should be" does that make the liberal wrong to make that argument? There's a reason the Constitution provides for Amendments, doesn't it? Perhaps this liberal did have a longer argument than joneses has presented. There is nothing wrong with saying something "should" be so. If I were to say "You should ground that electrical device" does that mean I'm relying on emotion? Or is it possible there's an actual reason behind it, just like there was in this claimed argument?

But we'll never know, since we only have one side of the story. We don't even know what was being expressed by the liberal, do we?

Just joneses's vague representations of an event, without detail or substance.

This is exactly how conservatives like him argue. They create a fabrication that only meets with their conception of events, but has nothing but their own feelings.

Then we have ones like BobMKE jumping on and praising it for its learned reason and skillful articulation.

The thing is, such actions only serve to show why they are not the paragons of logic and reason they purport themselves to be, but are just protecting their own emotional concepts onto others, without even the understanding of how they are being driven by their non-factual statements.

But I try not to judge the entire conservative movement by their bad examples.

I just wish some of the honest conservatives would do some repudiation of their worst elements.

April 23, 2012 at 11:29 a.m.

potcat, maybe it was Herman Cain, that terrible liberal, who said:

“We don’t need to rewrite the Constitution of the United States of America, we need to reread the Constitution and enforce the Constitution,” Cain said. “And I know that there are some people that are not going to do that, so for the benefit of those that are not going to read it because they don’t want us to go by the Constitution, there’s a little section in there that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

“Because that’s when it says when any form of government becomes destructive of those ideals, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it,” he added.

Terrible of him, and there's no way that should be in the Constitution, it's all clearly nothing more than liberal daydreaming.

April 23, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.

Wasn't me, was Herman Cain. He's a Looberal!

April 23, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

HeynewBulbs: Here's one. When will leftists stop calling anyone opposing BO racist? Hmmm? (I must admit it's a tried and true southpaw tactic)

April 23, 2012 at 12:03 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the 1st TeaParty:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ea9_1335060083

The role of the Earth is played by the automobile.

April 23, 2012 at 12:06 p.m.
BobMKE said...

happywithnewbulbs I love quotes. Below listed can be added to Jonses quotes. All of these scare me but not you. WOW

“Social Security doesn’t need to be fixed.” Moveon.org.

“We are not going back … Americans can rest assured that the benefits they have earned remain guaranteed, and will be for years to come.” Nancy Pelosi

“Public debt isn’t as a bad thing as many people believe – it’s basically money we own to ourselves.” Paul Krugman (Nobel Prize Economist)

“Social Security is the most successful social program in the history of the world.” Harry Reid (Who’s also a Mormon)

“We don’t have a short-term deficit problem.” Richard Trumka President AFL-CIO

“There’s plenty of money out there. Don’t fall into the trap of this whole deficit argument. The only question is how to spend it.” Van Jones Ex. Green Jobs Czar

“Deficits have been demagogued for thirty-years now as being the great horrifying boogey-men that’s going to kill us.” Heather “Digby” Parton Netroots Nation

“Homes that are occupied may see an ebb and flow in the price …. But you’re not going to see the collapse that you see when people talk about a bubble.” Barney Frank 2005

April 23, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... HeynewBulbs: Here's one. When will leftists stop calling anyone opposing BO racist? Hmmm? (I must admit it's a tried and true southpaw tactic)"

Not all people who oppose President Barack Obama are racist. Someone like George Will is not a racist, someone like David Brooks is not a racist, Joe Scarborough is not a racist. You want to know the difference? They oppose the man because they don't like his policies they don't oppose him because they think he's some kind of foreign agent who has hijacked the White House. Or because he lived abroad or because he has a funny sounding name. The list could go on and on but that's the difference between people with intelligence and those who are ignorantly opposing him due to their own low self-esteem and racist beliefs.

Case in Point Here's the rant of one with low self-esteem and clearly a racist NONE OF WHAT HE/SHE WRITES IS TRUE.

spending almost $1,000,000.00 to hide his college records and past, a fake birth certificate, his father being a communist, his twisted and sordid upbringing, his indonesian muslim transgender prostitute nanny, his communist grand parents and life long friends, his denied muslim faith, his racist church of 20 years, the new black panthers, his association with known weather underground admitted communist Bill Ayers, his wife’s hatred of our flag and shame for this country, his arrogance and hypocrisy... obamas the best president ever, just ask him or any of his brain washed followers. Bennetts cartoons are a bigger joke than Barry Soetoro aka Hussien Obama, aka, obastard. What is really pathetic and disgusting is you liberals are proud of this fool of a president’s failures.

April 23, 2012 at 12:43 p.m.

Jack_Dennis, when will conservative stop reaching to that made-up complaint to excuse them from criticism? The people who get called racist for their opposition to Obama are the ones who present their opposition in racist terms.

Shouldn't we call out racists for being racist? Why don't you call them on it?

Honest opposition is key, and if you don't dispute the dishonest, you destroy your own arguments.

BobMKE: Why would I be scared by words? Especially your piece-meal hackjob that only serves to show you can twist a sentence into whatever context you want. Well, actually, it's not yours, it's somebody else's you appropriated.

Why didn't you just quote Mitt Romney quoting Barack Obama who was quoting John McCain, and remove all doubt that you didn't care about honest representation?

I'm not scared when you're so obvious, I'm convinced even more that there's no integrity in you at all.

April 23, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
dude_abides said...
“This is one of the great tragedies of the Bush administration. The more successful they’ve been

at intercepting and stopping bad guys, the less proof there is that we’re in danger…. It’s almost like they should every once in a while have allowed an attack to get through just to remind us.” ~Newt Gingrich, at a book talk in Huntington, NY, April 2008, saying that Republicans should allow terrorist attacks on American soil to remind us of the dangers in the world.

Have we hit our quote quota?

April 23, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
timbo said...

Well, here we go again....no one even remembers the subject. The subject was Earth Day and the ignorant Bennett cartoon suggests that pollution now is getting worse.

Hogwash....The difference in the air and water is night and day comparing now to the 70's. No comparison.... As far as the BP oil spill, the ex-head of BP was right. Oil is seeping into the sea constantly and this was a drop in the bucket in the scheme of things. He was the expert. It looks like he was right. There were localized problems but most have been cleaned up.

As far as "global warming" there is no such thing. Global climate change is always naturally occurring. The climate has changed several times in the last 10,000 years. The Earth ecosystem is too large to be affected from a few years of burning fossil fuels. It is ridiculous to worry about this crap.

The idea that pollution is worse now is proven wrong by just looking at Chattanooga. Is the pollution in Chattanooga now worse than in 1972...I don't think so.

April 23, 2012 at 1 p.m.

Well, Timbo, if that's the meaning you got from the picture, I must say that's not my interpretation.

I got the impression it was making a point about Landfills.

But tell us, what's brought about the change in the environment you so enjoy? Oh yes, environmental regulation. My word, apparently it worked. They stopped pollution!

But let's see, because Global climate change naturally occurs, why do you presume that precludes a human impact? Forest fires naturally occur, but humans can also start them. If you don't think that the Earth's ecosystem can be impacted by human endeavor, you surely have the evidence to show it being impossible.

Let's see your numbers. And not that fake one about volcano releases versus human industrial production. Actual real ones.

Thanks for trying to get things back on topic though.

April 23, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.
BobMKE said...

happywithnewbulbs Why would I be scared by words?

Because they came from people who are and were in power. A quote is a quote and we shouldn't change them to fit our needs. I have tons of quotes, mostly from the great people in history and we learn from them. "There's nobody wiser that an old fool." "Some people grow up and others just grow old." "Any fool can criticize and most fools do." And my favorite one from General Douglas Mac Arther, "The one thing that man has learned from history is that man has never learned anything from history."

April 23, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

patriot1 said... "I called tfp and told them to stop throwing that rag they call a newspaper in my driveway.....that should help!!!"

Bravo! I did the same a couple of years ago. Together we have done more to protect our environment than Al Gore ever will.

April 23, 2012 at 2:07 p.m.

BobMKE, that's right, you shouldn't change them to fit your needs.

Yet you did.

Thanks for noticing. In fact, thanks for doing it again, yourself, by only selectively replying to a piece of my words, yet missing the whole.

Your demonstrations of your own conduct are more telling than your words.

Going to reply to the rest of what I said, or just pretend it's not there?

April 23, 2012 at 2:11 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I wonder what point The Wart is trying to make with this cartoon.

Is he trying to point out that chasing energy and manufacturing jobs oversees with oppressive regulation and permit obstruction is resulting in more harm to the environment? I doubt it, Bennett is too simple minded to make that connection.

More likely, he thinks that Obama and his EPA are helping the planet by chasing economic activity to contries which polute more. The simple mind of a leftist enviro-nazi strikes again.

April 23, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

timbo said... "As far as the BP oil spill, the ex-head of BP was right. Oil is seeping into the sea constantly and this was a drop in the bucket in the scheme of things."

Right on timbo. Some 20 years ago I remember reading about oil seepage into the Gulf of Mexico being evidence that there are huge reserves there. It would be valid to argue that you could improve the water quality in the Gulf by extracting oil and reducing pressure on the fields. This would be WAY too complicated for a leftist to understand. They cannot get past "Oil Bad, Wind Good!".

April 23, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.

Actually, BRP, in my experience, it's the right-wing conservatives who can't get past "Drill, Baby, Drill" as if that were the ultimate solution.

But your idea about improving water quality is like the idea of treating a fever by freezing somebody to death. After all, it's got to work!

No wait, maybe it should be done with some prudence and care, or it could make things worse!

April 23, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

happywithnewbulbs said... "But your idea about improving water quality is like the idea of treating a fever by freezing somebody to death. After all, it's got to work!"

See what I mean about the mind of a leftist?

happybulbs, if you want to debate the merits of the idea I would be more than happy to do so. If you want to paint silly irrelevant pictures, well, you would be meeting my expectations for you and your ilk.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/01/000127082228.htm

April 23, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.

BRP, your response is what I meant about the people who selectively quote things.

You quote only the bit you want to dismiss me with, but miss the whole. Did you not see the part about doing it with prudence and reason? Or did you just want to trash "leftists" and so picked a convenient bit to use to justify your attack?

Really, do you think that just because there are "tons of oil" seeping into the gulf waters, that human beings can't possibly make things worse?

We can take it from one value, and increase it by orders of magnitude. Human beings are a capable lot. Do you want to admit to me that that could turn out to be a problem, or would you rather just continue the insults?

Like I said, it's all "Drill, baby, Drill" with you. Nothing more. Is it too much to ask for "Let's drill with some caution" ? Apparently.

April 23, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
BobMKE said...

happywithnewbulbs

I stand by the quotes which are part(s)of a long speech by the people I quoted. I can't cut and paste the entire speech for each person. The quotes are part of the speech that stand out and scare me. I guess that I should go the the Utopia College where they'll tell me, "Don't worry be happy."

April 23, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Happybulbs,

FIND ONE EXAMPLE of anyone advocating for drilling without caution. You would have to be some kind of brain washed demokrat idiot to think that Drill & Spill, Baby, Drill & Spill is the real slogan of those advocating for a responsible energy policy that includes expanded domestic oil and gas production. Your suggestion to the otherwise did not merit a response and is not related to the concept of drilling to reduce seepage.

Again, if you want to debate the idea, I am game. If you want to dance some endless political dance you are wasting everyone's time.

April 23, 2012 at 3:46 p.m.

BobMKE, your excuses show you don't care to recognize that you did wrong in your actions.

Selective quotes are a problem when they take away the meaning and strip the context. Which you clearly did.

I don't know what college you should go to, but almost all of them would tell you not to edit for the purpose of distortion. I don't think you need a utopia to at least rise above the level of totally indifferent to one's own actions being faulty.

Would it take so much for you to refrain from misrepresenting other people's words? You even did it with my words, and you certainly don't have your excuse here, when the words are already present.

Yet you did the same thing.

April 23, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
timbo said...

nooga....what in the hell is your background?....Are you just a unemployed bloviator who constantly name calls on this page? Maybe your that guy who writes that ass kissing blog nooga.com. At any rate, I doubt you are a scientist or have a science background. So what you "think" on this subject is what you read in some left-wing document or from PmsNBC.

In any event, I have been working in a technical field for 30 years. I understand how to read data. The data for global climate change is inconclusive at best and an out right lie at worst. Two many grant sucking academics and pseudo-scientists trying to make a name for themselves.

To someone with an IQ over 60 (which I not sure includes you) could use their common sense to debunk this crap. One volcano puts more carbon, sulfur compounds, and ash in the atmosphere in one major eruption than man has in the total of human history. There are hundreds of eruptions every year. Not to mention the size of the Earth and the relative small amount of carbon dioxide man is capable of putting in the atmosphere.

If you believe in this global warming hoax you are no better than the religious people you liberals like to criticize for being "dumb" or superstitious. Believing in this stuff is dumber than any religion could ever be.

Now Mr. noogie, your answer to this will be the same old insults avoiding any attempt to make a cognizant argument for the other side. You will just bloviate about how dumb conservatives are and show us a great example of a know-nothing, loud mouth, liberal who wouldn't know a fact if it bit him on the nose.

April 23, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.
timbo said...

nooga...John Huntsman is a RINO who is a sore loser. Quoting him does not make an impression on conservatives. You democrats can have him.

April 23, 2012 at 3:57 p.m.

BigRidgePatriot: You're getting close to admitting prudence and reason is appropriate, though you could have left off the characterization.

Still, if you haven't noticed that a suggestion of regulation is often met with a declaration that it is part of some foolish scheme to completely ban all drilling and make us live in huts or caves.

Look at you, who just said "They cannot get past "Oil Bad, Wind Good!" which you purport is the slogan of the left, when in reality, they just want a responsible energy policy that includes sensible expansion of domestic fossil fuel production as well as investment into other alternatives.

Maybe if you want to debate the ideas, you ought to work on your own approach first?

April 23, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
timbo said...

happywithnewboobs....Yes, realistic regulation did stop pollution. The problem is now it has become over-regulation. It created a culture of little environmental crusaders that don't understand the science or the economics. If they want to ignore technology let them all move into a cave and show us the "right" way.

April 23, 2012 at 4:02 p.m.
BobMKE said...

happywithnewbulbs

Then read their entire speeches. Tell me the quote that I misquoted and then articulate to me why I am wrong regarding what they said, and why you agree what they have said.

April 23, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.

Ah timbo, you bring forth that volcano eruption story. I thought you might.

You're actually quite in error.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming.htm

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11638-climate-myths-human-co2-emissions-are-too-tiny-to-matter.html

http://news.discovery.com/earth/volcanoes-co2-people-emissions-climate-110627.html

Want me to dig up more sources, or would that be futile?

But nice call on telling us that people want you to live in caves. Actually they don't, but thanks for showing BRP that you're still quite capable of making that statement.

April 23, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.

BobMKE: All of them? Why? I don't feel a burden to prove it with their words, since you just did it with my words here.

You quoted a part, and ignored the rest.

Do you really think I feel I should bother refuting you with those, when there's an example right here to show it?

Especially when you're not even owning up to the example here?

I don't.

But hey, if you want to cite their original speeches, ok, why don't you, and then we'll see how on context your quotes are.

April 23, 2012 at 4:16 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"Happywithmydimbulb,"

Have you ever tried arguing a point instead of whining that people do not answer or quote you the way you would like?

April 23, 2012 at 4:37 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo said: “The Earth ecosystem is too large to be affected from a few years of burning fossil fuels. It is ridiculous to worry about this crap.

Unfortunately, your denial can’t change the erratic weather we’ve been seeing lately, which is something scientists anticipated decades ago. For many of us, global warming is old news:

“Scientists may hesitate to link some of the weather extremes of recent years to global warming — but the public, it seems, is already there.

A poll due for release on Wednesday shows that a large majority of Americans believe that this year’s unusually warm winter, last year’s blistering summer and some other weather disasters were probably made worse by global warming. And by a 2-to-1 margin, the public says the weather has been getting worse, rather than better, in recent years.

The survey, the most detailed to date on the public response to weather extremes, comes atop other polling showing a recent uptick in concern about climate change. Read together, the polls suggest that direct experience of erratic weather may be convincing some people that the problem is no longer just a vague and distant threat.

“Most people in the country are looking at everything that’s happened; it just seems to be one disaster after another after another,” said Anthony A. Leiserowitz of Yale University, one of the researchers who commissioned the new poll. “People are starting to connect the dots.”

The poll opens a new window on public opinion about climate change. . .

The poll suggests that a solid majority of the public feels that global warming is real, a result consistent with other polls that have asked the question in various ways. When invited to agree or disagree with the statement, “global warming is affecting the weather in the United States,” 69 percent of respondents in the new poll said they agreed, while 30 percent disagreed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/science/earth/americans-link-global-warming-to-extreme-weather-poll-says.html

April 23, 2012 at 5:17 p.m.
rick1 said...

Liberals and environmentalists say they are against drilling because of their concern with damage to the environment. Why than don't they have a problem with Obama asking Brazil to drill for more oil and telling them, we will be their best customer, or asking the Saudi’s to increase their drilling? I thought your concern was for a clean environment for the entire planet?

April 23, 2012 at 6:01 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... “Scientists may hesitate to link some of the weather extremes of recent years to global warming — but the public, it seems, is already there."

So do you think that you have you proven, that propaganda works? ...that democracy is a dangerous form of government? Good job!

Propaganda also managed to influence the German people to support Hitler during World War II.

At least they are not still claiming that the science is settled. Once faced with that reality they have to go back to polling the general population about what they think. Nice.

April 23, 2012 at 6:26 p.m.
BobMKE said...

If I wanted America to Fail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gn...

April 23, 2012 at 7:17 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

*So do you think that you have you proven, that propaganda works? ...that democracy is a dangerous form of government? Good job!

Propaganda also managed to influence the German people to support Hitler during World War II.*

I'm going to have to agree in part with BRP here. A large proportion of the US population thinks the earth is 8000 years old. Most climate scientists do not draw a direct connection between the goofy weather and rising global temps, as the time scale is too short. But to think that popular polls are a direct reflection of science is incorrect. Americans believe a lot of silly things.

April 23, 2012 at 7:46 p.m.
mymy said...

Geez, It is Lefty Fool's Day every day on this site!

April 23, 2012 at 8:41 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mymy: Pretty much.

April 23, 2012 at 8:52 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot asks: “So do you think that you have you proven, that propaganda works? ...that democracy is a dangerous form of government?”

My goodness, BRP. I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. Anyway, it sort of sounds like you haven’t heard that big changes are occurring with northern polar ice, which apparently is having a dramatic effect on the course of the jet stream. If you’re interested there is a good video - “This is Not Cool” - on the Yale Forum that discusses the jet stream and our erratic weather:

“One of the leaders in this research, Jennifer Francis of Rutgers University, has now published a study that supports what a number of scientists have suspected for some time — that changes in the northern polar ice are having dramatic effects on the course of the jet stream.

The jet stream, a high-level flow of winds circling the northern latitudes, is the boundary between cold air to the north and warm air to the south. It is powered by the temperature differential between arctic and temperate latitudes.

As the arctic warms, and that temperature differential declines, the jet slows, becomes weaker, and begins to meander. Those meandering waves in the jet are more subject to “blocking patterns,” where weather in effect gets “stuck” over part of the northern hemisphere. It all suggests a mechanism for the number of long-lasting heat, drought, rain, snow, and flood events that have been so prevalent over the past several years.”

http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/2012/04/videos-probe-climate-changeextreme-weather-puzzles/

April 23, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.
dude_abides said...

mymy said... Geez, It is Lefty Fool's Day every day on this site!

Yep, and you just dropped the mean I.Q. by 15 points! You can stay, just sit down, be quiet, and don't touch anything.

April 23, 2012 at 10:02 p.m.
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