published Sunday, August 5th, 2012

'Song’s lyrics make a difference' and other letters to the editor

Song’s lyrics make a difference

Recently I was cutting my grass. I enjoy being outside as it seems that God is usually wanting to share some of His goodness with me. As is common in this setting, a song came to mind, and I began singing “America the Beautiful,” a song I remember from my grammar school days at Normal Park Elementary School. I do not remember if it was in the class of Ms. Cushman, Turner or Stewart, but I do remember the sincerity with which all us kids sang the song.

There are many things that I do not remember, but the words to this song rang loudly and clearly in my mind. I must have sung and made recollections for 25 minutes until it became so meaningful that I stopped the mower and came in and shared the words with my wife.

Regretfully, I do not hear the song much today. If you remember singing the song, join me. If you do not, I encourage you to say the words several times until it rests in your mind and makes a difference — a difference in how we assemble and live together as one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

FLETCHER SIMS, Signal Mountain


No exemptions for U.S. workers

I believe a prime reason our government is in gridlock and so little progress is made by Washington lawmakers is politicians’ ability to exempt themselves, federal agencies and federal governing bodies from legislation which federal lawmakers introduce and pass, such as the new health-care law. If a law is good and beneficial for individual citizens, states or specific groups, is it not also good and beneficial for those who impose such laws?

Will they sponsor a bill, which requires all federal agencies and officials, elected or appointed, and all government workers to be bound by all laws, legislation or legal rulings, which are enacted or imposed by federal lawmakers or judicial rulings? No grandfather clauses allowing exemption from past legislation or judicial rulings. If it is on the books and applicable, then they are bound to follow the letter of the law or ruling.

RICHARD MOORE, McDonald, Tenn.


Where does it all stop?

First Boston, now Philadelphia and Chicago, have told Chick-fil-A that it is not welcome in their cities because of their CEO’s opposition to gay marriage. Maybe the next step will be to make that a general policy — anyone wanting to start a business in those cities will have to agree with gay marriage. A no-tolerance policy for “intolerance.”

But why stop there? Why not make gay marriage a litmus test for anyone wanting to reside there? And why stop at gay marriage? Why not a questionnaire testing assent to the emerging secular orthodoxy on any number of questions?

The logic of it all is stunningly Orwellian: you can believe anything you want, say anything you want, so long as you agree with me. This is where absolute freedom, absolute tolerance and absolute relativism (oh my goodness, did I put those two words together?) have led us.

I’m confused. All of this is too complicated for me. But one thing I do know. The next time I go out to eat, I’m going to Chick-fil-A.

HERBERT K. LEA, Chickamauga, Ga.


Defense reductions bad for country

The economic impact of the Budget Control Act of 2011 (or Sequestration) for the Department of Defense (DOD) and non-DOD agencies, effective Jan. 2, 2013, is estimated to reduce the nation’s GDP by $215 billion, decrease work force earnings by $109 billion and cost the economy 2.14 million jobs, according to a study released by Stephen S. Fuller, director, Center for Regional Analysis, George Mason University. Additional impact consequences created by decreased state revenues aren’t included. Afghanistan activities savings won’t apply to sequestration.

DOD procurement reduction of $49.6 billion and payroll decrease of $7.1 billion total $56.7 billion in FY2013 budget cuts. Non-DOD budget cuts total $56.7 billion. Budget cuts will continue through FY2022.

Sequestration will force the smallest Army since 1900, the smallest Navy since 1916 and the smallest Air Force in history.

B-52 bombers and KC-135 tankers average over 50 years old.

The current USAF aircraft replacement rate for its fleet is at 100 years.

Budget cuts will cause long-term damage to the defense industry. Lockheed has 9,000 defense programs in its portfolio. Procurement programs will be cut or eliminated. Reductions will lead to a “lost generation” of highly skilled workers. Small manufacturers will go out of business.

ARTHUR R. MacFADDEN, Lt. Col. (Ret.) USAF


Some areas don’t give atheists an ear

Your writer David Cook urges Christians (July 27 column) to not use public prayer as a sledgehammer to intimidate or coerce non-Christians. Fair enough. He goes on to remind Christ-followers to defer and to serve; herein lies the path to “kingdom come.” Also fair enough.

In the accompanying news story, both plaintiffs in the local prayer controversy identify themselves as atheists, and a woman who testified on their behalf is identified as a Muslim. Fair enough, but in the great gray area which is our First Amendment and its interpretation, let this be noted: In those countries which have officially embraced atheism, judicial proceedings to protect the rights of a minority, religious or otherwise, are non-existent; Coleman and Jones would never receive a hearing. In those countries which are Islamic, religious freedom in any meaningful sense is non-existent; a Christian woman’s voice would never be heard in a Muslim court.

Public prayer is a constitutional conundrum. That our understanding of religious freedom has a biblical foundation is crystal-clear.

GARY LINDLEY, Lookout Mountain, Ga.


Business behavior needs a close look

Although I disagree with Chick-fil-A’s position on gay marriages, that won’t mean that I won’t enjoy their chicken sandwich every once in a while. That being said, Chick-fil-A is not the only fast-food restaurant that supports right-wing causes. Just about all of them feel that a Republican administration would give them more free reign to poison people. That does not mean you won’t catch me walking out of a Taco Bell.

I did, however, switch phone companies from AT&T to CREDO because they donate some of their profits to progressive causes. I switched cable service from Comcast to EPBFI because (and this is the most important reason of all) their customer service center is right here in Chattanooga, whereas Comcast outsources to Mexico and Asia.

So to me, this issue about where you will spend your money, according to the businesses’ behavior, goes a lot further than just Chick-fil-A and gay rights.

DOUG CRAIG


Churches pray together publicly

David Cook’s column (July 27) just doesn’t get it. Atheists feel “Excluded ... Unwelcome ... out of place ...They don’t want me.” How do Christians feel when told “Shut up”?

Atheists are “seeking an equal place,” yet “one side is going to lose”? He doesn’t get it. Atheists are trying to impose their point of view, replacing a semi-Christian point of view. “Equal”?

Which view is right? Does he even know the question? My wife and her mother have experienced miracles, so atheism is wrong. Islam offers no miracles, no death and resurrection of Christ showing God’s love and power, and no good governments: Saudi Arabia outlaws church buildings and meetings. That’s wrong, too.

Jesus and public prayer? Cook doesn’t get it. Obviously churches pray together publicly (Acts, chapters 2 and 4). King David’s psalms are public. Rulers are God’s deacons (Romans 13); of course they can acknowledge God and ask His help if they choose. It’d better not be mere show — those who pray in public had better be praying in private too — but it’s OK.

ANDREW LOHR

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

It is true that most of the posts here against public prayer are written in ignorance, or, with evil intent. The Lord God of Hosts, through His Disciples has declared:

2 Timothy 2:15

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Jesus Christ of Nazareth prayed often in public.

The Apostles of Jesus prayed often in public.

Moses and the other Prophets of The Lord God of Hosts prayed often in public.

The Admonition is 'to NOT pray in public AS THE HYPOCRITES pray'. They just want to be seen and heard for their ego boosts.

You Workmen/women should study, instead of being shameful!

August 5, 2012 at 12:27 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

The founders of The United States of America were either believers

in Jesus Christ, or, at the least Deists. Individuals who make fun

of our nation's founders are absolute traitors to our country. They

would serve us all very well to go and establish their own nation

of scoffers. Atheistic regimes have murdered more innocent

individuals (multiplied times over) than all of the so-called

Christian wars and battles. If you atheist's continue to poke fun

at our nation's founders, you deserve to be deported!

August 5, 2012 at 12:49 a.m.

HERBERT K. LEA, you know what the Orwellian governments were good at doing? Convincing people that up was down, left was right, and that oppression was liberty. Funny, you're practicing that yourself.

Have you never noticed that what Chik-Fil-A's CEO wanted was to tell other people how to live, to change the laws to suit his mores? He wasn't just speaking for himself, but acting in a way that would impact others. But this escapes you, doesn't it? Why does this go unmentioned?

Do you think he'd stop at not letting homosexuals marry each other, or do you think he might consider the plan of that Pastor who suggested a homosexual concentration camp to be a good idea?

ARTHUR R. MacFADDEN, Lt. Col. (Ret.) USAF, you know you really don't make a good case when you rely on such obvious and discredited lies as the pointless references to being the smallest Army, Navy or Air Force. For a former officer, you should know that those comparisons have no meaning.

Or do you want to pit the entire US Navy of 1916 against a carrier battlegroup? How about it? No? Why not?

GARY LINDLEY, what's also clear is that many Christians would be equally oppressive if given half the chance. But instead we must blind ourselves to that while ignoring how in reality, there are many countries with a majority Islamic population that do accept members of other religions, and that you probably can't name a country that has adopted Atheism as its official religion.

DOUG CRAIG, yes it does.

ANDREW LOHR, sorry Andrew, but Atheists aren't telling you to shut up, nor are they forcing you to deny God, and your twisted logic is as flawed as ever. And no, nobody is telling you that you can't pray in Public. Just that the Public government shouldn't be endorsing a particular religion over others.

Sorry you don't like that, I guess you'll have to resent it. See, you don't understand that you aren't being asked to shut up, but for the government not to speak for you when they do not give the same treatment for others.

Or don't we have the same rights in the government as you?

August 5, 2012 at 1:13 a.m.
Easy123 said...

OrrMeansBlackCock,

"Atheistic regimes have murdered more innocent individuals (multiplied times over) than all of the so-called Christian wars and battles."

That is a completely false claim.

And please give evidence of anyone "poking fun" at the Founding Fathers.

August 5, 2012 at 1:23 a.m.

Ben Franklin.

Guy was quite a cad. Poked fun at himself and the other Founding fathers the whole time. Not surprised that there's yet another Christian trying to wrap themselves in the cloak of the sacred authority of the Founders though, they need somebody else to provide them with cover.

Do try to be a bit less vulgar, you don't need to practice the same tactics as the trolls.

But people are forgetting that "atheism" and people "purporting" to be "atheists for some gain" are two different things. Besides, I'm pretty sure the Mongols have them all beat. I do not profess to know what religion that Ghenghis Khan followed though.

August 5, 2012 at 1:42 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr wrote: "Atheistic regimes have murdered more innocent individuals (multiplied times over) than all of the so-called Christian wars and battles."

The award for mass murder goes to . . . .Jehovah of the Bible! Let's hear it for the Big Guy!

I urge people to read the Bible, not just thump it. It's full from contradictions, lies, deception, murder, non-science, Jehovah condoned rape and incest, and myopic hate. All this in the first few books.

Read the entire Bible (most Christians haven't). If there was ever a twisted, sick, and murderous god, Jehovah gets top billing.

August 5, 2012 at 7:49 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Bulbs,

Just to be clear, I was referring to people that post here.

And 'Orr' really does mean "black cock". Any vulgarity you perceived was unintended.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orr_(surname)

August 5, 2012 at 8:47 a.m.
michaelb said...

Herbert, good question. The book of Revelation comes to mind. Anyone without the mark of the beast will not be allowed to do business.

August 5, 2012 at 8:51 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"I’m confused. All of this is too complicated for me. But one thing I do know. The next time I go out to eat, I’m going to Chick-fil-A." - Herbert K. Lea

Maybe you'll run into Billy Graham while you're there at CFA, Mr. Lea. He was seen at one of the mediocre chicken meals eateries the other day, along with all the other upstanding christian bigots, showing their support for Mr. Cathy. What better way to promote the blending of capitalism and theocracy than to go out of your way to visit the franchise whose christian owner openly spreads his self-righteous Bible-based beliefs of exclusion and damnation? Yes, go suck down one of those rubbery chicken sandwiches, Mr. Lea, and don't forget to say the blessing before you eat it...to thank god for his fast-food assembly-line bounty. And while you're at it, maybe implore your holy heavenly daddy to turn up those flames in hell a few more degrees...just for all those damn perverted fags.

August 5, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Fletcher Sims, I gotta say, you really got my patriotic juices flowing. Thanks to you I couldn't get that song out of my head. Just like you, I went and shared it with the little missus and I got her so inspired and worked up about it, we decided we're gonna sing it first thing every morning before breakfast - every stanza. Also I went out and bought a new flag and flag pole, complete with flood lights so the whole neighborhood can see it at all night long, and I bought a CD with the song on it and I'm gonna pipe it outside and play it three times a day (morning, noon, and night) so everybody who passes by can hear it.

I especially like these lines:

"O beautiful for pilgrims feet, Whose stem impassioned stress A thoroughfare for freedom beat Across the wilderness! America! America! God shed his grace on thee Till paths be wrought through wilds of thought By pilgrim foot and knee!"

Not sure what the hell that means, really, but it just SOUNDS patriotic, doesn't it?!

I gotta admit, my patriotism was not what it should be but you really have pumped me up, Mr. Sims. Why, I'm even typing this left-handed, with my right hand over my heart, as the song is playing in the background.

August 5, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
01centare said...

I’m confused. All of this is too complicated for me. HERBERT K. LEA, Chickamauga, Ga.

Mr. Lea, it's a lot more complex than just a fast food restaurant owner expressing personal views on a matter. Anyone has the right to dislike anyone they so wishes, and for whatever reason. But when anyone use their money and influence around the world and into other country as a strategy and by proxy, where people who are gay or who are different are murdered for being gay and different, that crosses the line. That's the epitome of evil. That's not Christian or Christ-Like. That's inhumane, base and wicked. That's not carrying on the works and life of a loving Jesus. That's carrying out the works of the devil.

Eat all the chick-a-fil-A sandwiches you want. Just remember there might also be the blood of innocent victims between those buns.

With freedom of speech comes responsible.

August 5, 2012 at 12:09 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123, Shall I fill up this page just for You? I could, but, I 'shan't'. {By the way: The Chosen Language of The Lord God of Hosts, Hebrew, HEBREW, translates ORR to mean 'Light'. I recognize the Chosen Language of Our Creator as the Greatest Great of which there is No Greater Great. You said, "That is a completely false claim", regarding more people being murdered by atheistic, or, otherwise Anti-Christ regimes. [Feast Upon This For A While, kwo]

The Chinese cultural revolution caused the death of 30 million people. (Anti-Christ).

Mao Ze-Dong Killed 78,000,000 (78 Million)-Anti-Christ.

Leopold II of Belgium: Murdered 8 Million- Anti-Christ

Jozef Stalin (USSR) Atheist: Murdered 6 Million [ATHEIST]

Many, Many, More examples available. Now, Easy, Please Read and

Learn. I Read and Learn From You.

Ken ORR

August 5, 2012 at 12:34 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Oh, Another 'by-the-way'. Even though I am a French-Irish W.A.S.P.,

I don't mind at all that one meaning is 'Black Rooster'. The

Rooster is a heroic type of being. They announce the dawning of the

day for billions of people. They walk with their head held high,

erect and powerful in stature, they exude dignity. +(:>

August 5, 2012 at 12:56 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"HEBREW, translates ORR to mean 'Light'"

Are your ancestors Hebrew? It doesn't change the fact that 'Orr' does translate to "Black Cock" in Irish Gaelic, Scottish Gaelic, Old English, and Old Norse. And it isn't intended to be a slight against you. It's just the truth.

Mao was the godhead in China. Mao was worshipped by the Chinese. Therefore, not an atheist regime.

Leopold II wasn't an atheist. He was just ultra-racist and hated the idea of African's being Christians and/or having any kind of hope.

http://www.fafich.ufmg.br/luarnaut/Letter%20Leopold%20II%20to%20Colonial%20Missionaries.pdf

Joseph Stalin was, indeed, an atheist. But, like Mao, he was seen as the godhead of his country. He was worshipped by his people. Therefore, not an atheist regime.

What you fail to understand about atheism is that it, in no way, can be the cause of any of the crimes and murders you attribute to it. Atheism has no doctrine. There is no atheist dogma. There isn't even an atheist equivalent to a "holy book". Atheism is simply the rejection of belief in a deity. That's it.

Saying atheism made Stalin kill 6 million people is equivalent to saying he killed 6 million people because he had a mustache. Atheism cannot be the cause of anything other than the rejection of a deity. It is important to note that this rejection of belief in a deity is based on the overwhelming lack of evidence that any deity actually exists.

Now, Kenneth, please read and learn. And embrace your ignorance on the subject of atheism. Your claim is, like I said, completely false.

August 5, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ken Orr, what exactly do you expect to prove with your statistics? If you want to make a contest of it and compare the brutal deaths throughout history attributed to christians and non-christians (or atheists, if you want to call them that), the numbers for each side would easily register in the tens of millions, or even the hundreds of millions. Truth is not determined by which side has the larger or lesser count. But you have your head buried so deep in that silly bible that you wouldn't recognize the truth if it kicked you in the butt with steel-toed boots. But just keep quoting your nonsensical verses from you nonsensical holy book and keep believing in your fairy tale ol' man in the sky and maybe you'll end up in heaven like a good little christian, sitting at the right hand of jeezus, with your bird's eye view to hell, as you leer down at all the queers and other sinners suffering eternal damnation at the hands of your loving god.

As for your comment about atheists "poking fun at our nation's founders"....what does that even mean?? Just because someone interprets what certain of the founding fathers meant differently than how you interpret them, that means they're making fun of them? Sir, do you have the slightest idea what you're talking about? If your name (Orr) translates to "light," it must be the light of a single 15-watt bulb...with a bad connection....flickering...as it tries to light up a football stadium.

August 5, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

orrmeanswtf? wrote: "The Chosen Language of The Lord God of Hosts, Hebrew,. . ."

(voice-over by Mike Huckabee, god's official announcer), "It's Hell-on-Earth Day brought to you by Chick-Fil-A, the chosen chicken sandwich of Jehovah!" (cut to god seated on a throne)

"I don't often eat chicken sandwiches but when I do it's Chick-Fil-A for me and my heavenly hosts. After a hard day of torturing infidels, spreading disease, famine, and war across the globe, and getting ready for the rapture and damnation of just about everyone, I want something fast, fried, and untouched by homo hands. That's why I order an ark full of chicken sandwiches from Chick-Fil-A.

Nothing like the goodness of a gay-free chicken to satisfy my jealousy and paranoia about my creations on earth.

Going to a stoning? Take along a sackful of Chick-Fil-A, now wrapped in bible prophecy from my book on how to commit rape, incest, torture, and murder in my name.

For the first fifty unbaptized children that come to their local Chick-Fil-A today, the management will stick their dirty and sinful little hands into a vat of boiling french-fried oil (now with no trans-fat) to show the little buggers how much I love them. Enjoy their screams as their parents praise my worshipful name and all I have done in love.

Stay blood-thirsty my friends, and see you at the judgment."

Yaweh

PS. Buy 3 combos and get my amazing tract, "Walking on Water, Burning the Bush, and How to Make Donkeys Talk!" for a love offering of your slaughtered first-born son and virgin daughter (got to keep my holy-men happy).

August 5, 2012 at 2 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin,

I affirm and proclaim You could fill up the Grand Canyon with money You could make by putting some of this stuff in a book. Would You please consider doing this?

Easy123, Rickaroo & daytonsdarwin,

How can ANY true American Patriot ever listen to anything You have to say...ever, IF You continue to poke fun at the framers of our United States Constitution, Declaration of Independence, indeed, our Nation's Founders. You are calling them ignoramus FOOLS for believing in a Deity, or, even Jesus Christ (Supreme Deity). You make Yourselves Traitors to The United States of America. You make Yourselves Un-American in every way. You would fare much better by now,[at this time] making Yourselves EXPATRIOTS (if ever You were a Patriot). You disgrace our Beautiful Country, and, our Citizenship!

August 5, 2012 at 3:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"You are calling them ignoramus FOOLS for believing in a Deity, or, even Jesus Christ (Supreme Deity)."

Christian's are, indeed, deluded. You prove that point with each of your posts. I have never mentioned any of the Founding Father's by name but if you would like to lump them into that category, you have that right.

"You make Yourselves Traitors to The United States of America."

No, I don't. Remember that Free Speech thing the Founder's came up with? I have the right to say anything I want.

"You make Yourselves Un-American in every way."

Hyperbole and completely false. I'm still an American citizen despite your diatribe.

"You disgrace our Beautiful Country, and, our Citizenship!"

No, I haven't done that. You disgrace yourself with every single one of your unlettered, ignorant, Bible thumping posts. Our Founding Father's were very intelligent men but they were deluded when it came to religion. The great thing about them is that they didn't let their religion get in the way of reason, logic and the search for truth.

You, Ken, have abandoned all of those things. Not to mention, your entire post is an elaborate straw man argument considering none of us have mentioned the Founding Father's on this thread.

August 5, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

You know 'Business behavior needs a close look', these same Kiss-In Folks can choose, if they haven't already, to make Jesus Christ their Lord, God, and, Saviour. Then His sorrowful sufferings and blood shed on Calvary's cruel Cross would cover their sins. His blood covers my sins and, ergo, gives me eternal life in Heaven with Him. I want all Homosexual individuals to join me in this.

Now, some of these people, like the proponents of the ' NORTH AMERICAN MAN boy LOVE ASSOCIATION' [NAMBLA], want to infiltrate the Boy Scouts of America. The folks who willingly go to the slaughter of HIV/AIDS now want the Boy Scouts of America to be just as foolish as they are. [HIGHEST RATES OF HIV/AIDS ON EARTH]. They want the decent Mothers and Dads, GrandMothers and GrandFathers to agree to add the Boy Scouts of America to the Club: (GLBT, LGTB,LGBTQ,LGBTI,LGBTIH,Whatever?) Then their Children, GrandChildren, Loved Ones, could join the ranks of the group who is dying off very quickly due to their PLEASURE-SEXUAL Lust Choices. Many are not even Homosexual, they are 'Pleasure-Sexual'. They are admonished by Holy Scripture of the Holy Bible, to be 'Separate and Come out from among them...to touch not the Unclean thing'. God said that, not me, I just only agree with The One True God of The Universe.

Ken ORR

NOTICE: The Word 'Pleasure-Sexual' is copyrighted by me. This word is coined by Ken ORR, and, I respectfully ask that credit be given me each time this new word is used...anywhere! This is a legal matter.

August 5, 2012 at 4:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"I want all Homosexual individuals to join me in this."

I'm sure the vast majority would refrain from joining you in anything.

"The folks who willingly go to the slaughter of HIV/AIDS now want the Boy Scouts of America to be just as foolish as they are."

False.

"[HIGHEST RATES OF HIV/AIDS ON EARTH]"

Lesbians have the lowest STD rates of any group. Argue that one, Ken.

"Then their Children, GrandChildren, Loved Ones, could join the ranks of the group who is dying off very quickly due to their PLEASURE-SEXUAL Lust Choices."

False. False.

"Many are not even Homosexual, they are 'Pleasure-Sexual'."

Blatant lie.

"NOTICE: The Word 'Pleasure-Sexual' is copyrighted by me. This word is coined by Ken ORR, and, I respectfully ask that credit be given me each time this new word is used...anywhere! This is a legal matter."

http://cdn4.nevernotfresh.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/42931548017ab51bd32225f4966754d50eb1f627_m.jpg

August 5, 2012 at 4:17 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123'

"God so loved Easy123 that He gave His Only Begotten Son, That Whosoever believeth in Him should not PERISH, but have everlasting Life."

Easy123~A word to the WISE!

August 5, 2012 at 4:30 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

I'll never take words of "wisdom" from a fool.

August 5, 2012 at 4:37 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

HIV IS THE Third most-deadly disease for women in the United States, behind only cancer and heart disease. It's also the leading cause of death for African-American women between the ages of 25 and 34. (The American Foundation for AIDS Research.) (You decide how many of these women are lesbians). Even 'one' lesbian death is too many!

I have the love of Christ Jesus for all Homosexual individuals, and, PLEASURE-SEXUALS who believe they are Homosexual. I beg them to call upon Jesus Christ, find a loving Church Congregation, and flee this [what has been labeled by some as the 'Culture of DEATH'!] You will be my Brother, and/or Sister in Christ with a New Start to a New Life with a bright future.

Ken ORR

August 5, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Women! Your partner may often be around HIV/AIDS infected men. You do not know if she is a PLEASURE-SEXUAL, or, a true Homosexual. If, in a weak moment she has relations with an infected man, then, she will likely infect You also. I do, genuinely care.......kwo

August 5, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123, I genuinely care about what happens to You in eternity. I do have the love of Jesus Christ for You. I do not ever want to call You a fool, never!

August 5, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

'HIV IS THE Third most-deadly disease for women in the United States, behind only cancer and heart disease. It's also the leading cause of death for African-American women between the ages of 25 and 34. (The American Foundation for AIDS Research.) (You decide how many of these women are lesbians). Even 'one' lesbian death is too many!"

This isn't an argument. Lesbians have the lowest STD rate of any group. It is almost non-existant. Why is that? I guess your god liked lesbians better than gay men, right?

"I have the love of Christ Jesus for all Homosexual individuals,"

Your deluded rabbi didn't love homosexuals and neither does your god.

"PLEASURE-SEXUALS who believe they are Homosexual."

They ARE homosexual or, at least, bisexual.

"and flee this [what has been labeled by some as the 'Culture of DEATH'!"

That's how you label it. And, of course, you would be wrong again.

"You will be my Brother, and/or Sister in Christ with a New Start to a New Life with a bright future."

If you only knew how delusional and psychotic you sounded.

August 5, 2012 at 5:02 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Women! Your partner may often be around HIV/AIDS infected men. You do not know if she is a PLEASURE-SEXUAL, or, a true Homosexual. If, in a weak moment she has relations with an infected man, then, she will likely infect You also. I do, genuinely care"

Seriously, you're psychotic. KEN! your wife has been sleeping with a gay man. Your wife and you might have HIV! You never know if she is a PLEASURE-SEXUAL or a true heterosexual. See how crazy that sounds?

"Easy123, I genuinely care about what happens to You in eternity. I do have the love of Jesus Christ for You. I do not ever want to call You a fool, never!"

I genuinely think you need to seek psychological help for your psychosis. "Eternity" isn't real. You don't have the love of a deluded rabbi for me. You are a fool.

August 5, 2012 at 5:07 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123,

"May The Lord bless you and keep you.

May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you.

May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace." Numbers 6:24

With the Love of Jesus Christ, Ken ORR

August 5, 2012 at 6:16 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

Are you casting your spells on me now?

August 5, 2012 at 6:31 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Easy, this Orr dude is either a prankster/impostor, saying crazy sh#t just to stir people up, or he is certifiably nuts. Either way, it's a waste of time to hang with him and try to argue with any degree of sense or logic.

August 5, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rickaroo,

I concur with your assessment of Ken Orr. He has posted here before under several different names. And I agree, honest conversation with Mr. Orr is impossible. He is delusional to the max! And I bet the ranch he responds with a Bible verse.

August 5, 2012 at 6:52 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSIOIN: !!!

As I Said! "Boy Scouts of America, don't ONLY avoid THE NORTH AMERICAN MAN boy LOVE ASSOCIATION [N.A.M.B.L.A.], the Catholic Church Homosexuals and Others, but, beware of Homosexuals within Your Own ranks! Now Take a Look at Some Late Breaking News. This is to anyone on here who disagrees with all of my past posts comments: These Homosexuals are either Demonic, or, Evil for targeting Toddlers, Young Men trying to build a stellar future, and, Youth who need direction to balanced otherwise troubled lives. Just take a look at this!

by Associated Press view bio »

"One scoutmaster was expelled in 1970 for sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy in Indiana. After being convicted of the crime, he went on to join two troops in Illinois between 1971 and 1988. He later admitted to molesting more than 100 boys, was convicted of the sexual assault of a Scout in 1989 and was sentenced to 100 years in prison, according to his file and court records.

Scouting officials say they’ve used the files to prevent hundreds of men who had been expelled for alleged sexual abuse from returning to the organization. The Boy Scouts have fought in court to keep the records from public view, saying confidentiality was needed to protect victims, witnesses and anyone falsely accused." From the Associated Press published Sunday, August 5th, 2012

Moms, Dads, GrandParents, Loving Family Members...BEWARE! These are Monsters in our society. Please Protect Your Toddlers, Educate Them, Warn Them. There is INDEED a certain segment of the Homosexual Agenda intent to imprison Your Youth into their deadly lifestyle!

Ken ORR

August 5, 2012 at 10:29 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Get help, Mr. Orr. You are a very sick man.

August 5, 2012 at 10:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken,

Seriously, you're insane. Ikeithlu said it perfectly. You need help. Your feelings towards homosexuals would lead me to believe that you are a homosexual yourself. Your intense feelings of animosity towards homosexuals and your apparent obsession with everything homoerotic and even pedophilia lends support to my claim.

August 5, 2012 at 10:50 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu,

Just wondering..."Do You want to marginalize/minimize these atrocities? Would You like to speak-up in support of a-n-y-o-n-e in particular? Do You like the Boy Scouts and support their honorable/noble purposes? Tell us, lkeithlu, let us know where Y-O-U stand. No accusations here, from me, just wondering how You perceive things about Toddlers, Youth, Innocent Children. Tell us, lkeithlu, if You so desire."

Ken ORR

August 5, 2012 at 10:54 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123,

Just wondering..."Do You want to marginalize/minimize these atrocities? Would You like to speak-up in support of a-n-y-o-n-e in particular? Do You like the Boy Scouts and support their honorable/noble purposes? Tell us, Easy123, let us know where Y-O-U stand. No accusations here, from me, just wondering how You perceive things about Toddlers, Youth, Innocent Children. Tell us, Easy123, if You so desire."

Ken ORR

August 5, 2012 at 10:59 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Jesus Christ, through His Apostle has declared in Holy Scripture...and, the Scriptures cannot be broken:

ROMANS 1:22- "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,..."

Ken ORR

August 5, 2012 at 11:05 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

Your questions don't deserve answers. There is something intrinsically wrong with you. You are truly a misguided, deluded individual.

August 5, 2012 at 11:06 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Jesus Christ has spoken. He is The Word of God. He is The Alpha and Omega, The Lamb of God, King of Glory, King of Righteousness, Lion of The Tribe of Judah. That is enough.

August 5, 2012 at 11:11 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

You are truly a misguided, deluded individual.

August 5, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.

Funny I wonder why nobody ever mentions the scout-masters who abuse their wives. Why no mention of the scout-masters who engage in fraud and deception? What about the ones who drink and drive?

You think it doesn't happen?

But no, Ken Orr is myopically concerned only for a few, which he tries to use to demonize a larger whole of innocents.

August 5, 2012 at 11:24 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Mr. Orr, you should be banned. Not because your speech isn't protected like everyone else's, but coming here and posting your rants delays your getting the professional help you really need. Get off the internet, where you find equally deluded individuals who reinforce your incorrect notions, and find a clinic. There are good Christian-based psychiatric organizations available.

You were badly hurt as a child, as you informed us here awhile back, and you are unable to move on. You deserve to be happy like anyone else, and what you are doing here is not helping you, nor is it changing minds or preventing the same thing from happening to others.

August 6, 2012 at 8:11 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

Please allow me to describe something for You by using a paraphrase:

"ORR needs to find a clinic and counseling because he stands for: stopping the viscous spread of Homosexual Diseases (mostly) Like:

Traumatic proctitis, Rectal gonorrhea, Anal warts, HIV/AIDS Pandemic /mutating constantly/no cure, Nonspecific procitis (from chlamydia and other STDs), Anorectal herpes, Anorectal syphilis, Hepatitis B, Rectal trichomoniasis, Lymphogranuloma venereum, Anorectal granuloma inguinale, Anorectal chancroid, [NOTICE HOW MANY OF THESE ARE RECTAL,Which Homosexuals Target In Our Toddlers] Cytomegalovirus, Anorectal candidiasis, and many, many, more that are caused by infectious disease mutations causing new, incurable strains constantly!

Ken ORR

August 6, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Has anyone else noticed the physical and mental resemblance Mr. Orr has to the Michael Parks character in the movie "Red State?"

For those unfamiliar with the movie, it's about extreme Christian Reconstructionists and their perception of homosexuality.

While I'm not religious, there are many Christian fundamentalists, while they may not support that lifestyle, do not condone or encourage hatred and violence toward homosexuals.

August 6, 2012 at 12:20 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

What is troubling about Mr. Off is that he cannot separate consenting homosexuality from pedophilia.

His use of the term "Pleasure-Sexual" (which cannot be copyrighted) denotes a twisted concept of sex as evil, dirty, and perverted.

Mr. Orr sees himself as a direct and divine instrument of God, as much as the deluded and dangerous minds of Jim Jones, John Calvin, and Fred Phelps.

August 6, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"ORR needs to find a clinic and counseling because he stands for: stopping the viscous spread of Homosexual Diseases (mostly) Like:"

This is false. You don't care about those diseases. Because if you did, you would be more concerned with the thousands of cases each year of STD's being spread through the heterosexual community. But you aren't. You're obsessed with everything homoerotic, pedophilia, and the homosexual lifestyle. It's alarming.

"NOTICE HOW MANY OF THESE ARE RECTAL"

They are only rectal because you described them as such. 'Rectal' is just the location of the infection site. Gonorrhea, warts, chlamydia, herpes, syphilis, trichomoniasis, granuloma inguinale, chancroid, and candidiasis are not specifically "rectal" diseases. And they aren't exclusive to homosexuals either. Neither is HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis B, proctitis, lymphogranuloma venereum, or cytomegalovirus.

"Which Homosexuals Target In Our Toddlers"

This is a lie. You should have used the word "pedophiles". But, as usual, you are trying to lump pedophilia in with homosexuality. They are patently different.

August 6, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.

I just read an article that said the boy scouts methods were an inadequate protection, and I hate to have to tell you this again, but all of those rectal things you mention? Incidental, as they happen on the other side too.

Or just in general. Your rigid focus is a distortion that reflects ignorance and hysteria.

August 6, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

There does not exist one homosexual person, dead, or, alive whom I hate. None. I do not hate homosexual individuals.

Ken ORR

August 6, 2012 at 5 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

Your posts prove that you do have some sort of animosity towards homosexuals. There is no hiding that now.

August 6, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.

It sure doesn't show in your words.

Maybe you should consider how you appear to others more than how you think you are.

August 6, 2012 at 7:24 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I publicly apologize for any, and, all things I have said that cause me to be absolutely perceived as a hater of homosexually orientated individuals. Further, I publicly ask forgiveness from said individuals, and, The Lord God of Hosts. I am not in any position to judge anyone...I am not. I would give my very life for a practicing homosexual person, because he/she is a person.

Ken ORR

August 6, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.
dao1980 said...

I don't believe any of that Kenny, of course it really doesn't matter anyway.

Apologies are sweet, and can sooth ones writhing ego to offer up... but professional counselling,.. that would help you the most.

August 7, 2012 at 7:31 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

dao1980,

  • "...Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?... answer thou me."

Ken ORR

August 8, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Just a suggestion Kenny, you are in severe need of professional counselling.

August 8, 2012 at 2:37 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

Easy123,

Please check Your logic:

A Man Who Has Sex With a Male Boy=Homosexual Behavior.

A Pedophile Who Is A Male Who Has Sex With a Male Boy=Homosexual Behavior.

You said, "You should have used the word "pedophiles". But, as usual, you are trying to lump pedophilia in with homosexuality. They are patently different."

Are You saying a Pedophile cannot practice homosexual behavior, or, that a Pedophile cannot be a homosexual individual? Does homosexual have another definition of which I am not aware? Help me to understand.

Ken ORR

August 8, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

Easy123,

Please check Your logic:

A Man Who Has Sex With a Male Boy=Homosexual Behavior.

A Pedophile Who Is A Male Who Has Sex With a Male Boy=Homosexual Behavior.

You said, "You should have used the word "pedophiles". But, as usual, you are trying to lump pedophilia in with homosexuality. They are patently different."

Easy123~ Are You saying a Pedophile cannot practice homosexual behavior, or, that a Pedophile cannot be a homosexual individual? Does homosexual have another definition of which I am not aware? Help me to understand.

Ken ORR

August 8, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
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