published Wednesday, August 8th, 2012

'Many hypocrites are in the area' and more Letters to the Editors

Many hypocrites are in the area

There was a letter to the editor (July 31) stating that "Many disregard parts of the Bible." That is so true. For example, how many people, Christians included, have read Matthew 6:5-6. There are obviously many hypocrites in this area.

GEORGE ADAMS

Rossville, Ga.


Only taxpayers should be voters

Charles Blow's column (Aug. 5) takes issue with requiring a photo ID to vote. Not only do I support the requirement for a photo ID to vote, I would like to see it become a requirement that a voter must also be a taxpayer to vote. Where is Mr. Blow's "outrage" over people being able to vote to increase taxes when they are not even paying income taxes? We will quickly be at the tipping point (if we are not there already) where more people are not paying income taxes than there are people paying taxes.

Does this mean I don't think that health-care reform and social programs are not needed? No, I do believe both are needed, but if you look at the track record for the federal government, they may not be qualified to provide these reforms. Why should they be? Our senators and congressmen don't have to live on Social Security or Medicare; they have their own sweetheart deals on retirement and health care. Until that is changed, don't expect to see any worthwhile changes coming from our elected officials -- Democrats or Republicans.

PAUL JOHNSON

Cleveland, Tenn.


Articles tilted toward one side

For the second time this summer, a Perspective article aiming to discredit Christian opposition to gay marriage has appeared. I refer to Sunday's piece (Aug. 5), by David Osheski.

Surely you are aware that Osheski's piece extensively repeated both quotations from Jennifer Wright Kunst of Boston University (already appearing in the earlier article) and argumentation appearing in that earlier Perspective article of June 3? The thrust is largely identical: the Scriptures of Old and New Testament are alleged to provide conflicting statements about sexual relationships and about marriage, and should therefore be set aside in deliberations over the complex subject of gay marriage.

Two questions arise:

1) Why are Times Free Press editors deeming adequate, articles on this sensitive subject which cite authorities from only one side of this debate? Jennifer Wright Kunst's name is used as though no one else has addressed these questions. Why not Robert Gagnon of Pittsburgh Seminary, major author on this subject -- who directly engages Kunst's writings? (Access his materials at: www.robgagnon.net/ ).

2) Why is the Times relying on repetitive, thinly-researched and one-sided journalism on this subject, when on other complex matters, you provide two points of view? (e.g. Sunday's treatment of tax cuts). Aim higher!

DR. KENNETH J. STEWART

Lookout Mountain, Ga.

42
Comments do not represent the opinions of the Chattanooga Times Free Press, nor does it review every comment. Profanities, slurs and libelous remarks are prohibited. For more information you can view our Terms & Conditions and/or Ethics policy.
JustOneWoman said...

Articles tilted toward one side DR. KENNETH J. STEWART Lookout Mountain, Ga.

The thrust is largely identical: the Scriptures of Old and New Testament are alleged to provide conflicting statements about sexual relationships and about marriage, and should therefore be set aside in deliberations over the complex subject of gay marriage.

By your statement it would seem that you think when someone defends their right to be an American and chose what they want and how they want without any consequences to you, they are discrediting your religion. Our constitution takes nothing from the bible, nothing from christianity. Your ignorance of our constitution makes your opinion worthless. If you don't agree with gay marriage, don't marry a gay person. But, know that any hate you put out against someone else or their right to be the person "they" want to be, will come back on you. In THIS country, we get to be whatever we want. Your stance is more in line with Saudi Arabia and the religions that want to create an authoritarian demonionists (spelling intentional) government in the United States. Take your anti-American behavior elsewhere. We want none of that here. Take a look at that bible. I see much more substance against adultry in that bible, but I don't hear you pointing that out. I don't hear any politician pointing that out. They would have to throw out ole Newt's contribution, huh? Any preacher, preist, bishop, blogger, ranter, etc, preaching on the evils of homosexuality is not of God. They have been fooled. They would be paying more attention to the meatier verses Jesus pointed out. And sir, that includes you.

There is no debate when it comes to the rights of person to be what they want. If it does not affect you, you would not seem to have a dog in the fight. You just want to be the controller, aye? You just want to tell other people how they can live. Check again where your feet are standing. You share that constitution with many other people of many religions and none. This country is not just for people like you. It is for all of us. Get used to it. If you think your religion has been discredited, just wait. When you hold it up for law to be taken from it, we will pick it apart. Frankly, I think that is the plan. Those that want religion in government are really tearing their own religion apart. Try as you might, you cannot prove Christianity. But Islam on the other hand, can be. How convenient for the Christians to usher in the demonionists just to have their religion prooved wrong and Islam put in its place. Then how do you think it will end up? Our constitution assures no religion can ever get that hold. Keep your religion in church and we will not have a problem.

August 8, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I'm quite happy that the majority of Christians don't follow the Bible literally (contrary to what they claim).

With the contradictions, hate, violence, and subjugation that is "God's Word," to literally carry out such holy orders would make Afghanistan look like an advanced civilization.

That's not to say there aren't extremely dangerous Christians, such as the Christian Reconstructions who long for the good old days of stoning, slavery, and death for perceived sins, or John Hagee and his fellow travelers of neo-con fundamentalism who long for war with Iran and support Israel's holy wars to bring about Armageddon.

There's nut-jobs everywhere and religion supplies 90% of them.

So read the entire Bible, not just the parts preachers and John Calvin teach. It's an eye-opener, not for what you've been told, but for the absolute ridiculousness of 2000 year-old fairy tales and superstitions that extreme fundamentalists would have you believe and live by.

August 8, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

'Many hypocrites are in the area'

GEORGE ADAMS, If You are a Brother in Christ, please take this in love from Your Brother in Christ Jesus. You must look a little closer, dive a little deeper, then pray for understanding of the Holy Scriptures.

It is true that most of the posts here against public prayer are written in ignorance, or, with evil intent. The Lord God of Hosts, through His Disciples has declared:

2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

1.Jesus Christ of Nazareth prayed often in public.

2.The Apostles of Jesus prayed often in public.

3.Moses and the other Prophets of The Lord God of Hosts prayed often in public.

The Admonition is 'to NOT pray in public AS THE HYPOCRITES pray'. They just want to be seen and heard for their ego boosts. We as Children of Light are INDEED supposed to pray in public, as shown us by Our Saviour, Jesus Christ.

We are not to pray like the hypocrites pray, but, we are to pray in public when under the inspiration/guidance of the Holy Spirit.

You Workmen and Workwomen should study, instead of being shameful!

Ken ORR

August 8, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

I would like to see it become a requirement that a voter must also be a taxpayer to vote.

PAUL JOHNSON Cleveland, Tenn.

Well, maybe we should make it where only intelligent people get to vote, or maybe those with college degrees, or maybe just people that have brown eyes, or maybe just those with jobs. Gee, we could put the Pope in charge of voting rights. Only those with clean spirits could vote. Do you see just how rediculous your statement is? Oh, you are one of those that think your way is so right, that we all should be made to be like you. How un-American! No thank you.

August 8, 2012 at 12:34 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

DR. KENNETH J. STEWART OF Lookout Mountain, Ga.,

You are absolutely, precisely, CORRECT! Homosexual individuals are costing innocent (normal, by standards of the World's Great Religions)taxpayers billions of dollars. And this is only because the homosexual agenda group chooses to be what some of the World's Great Religions label 'aberrant, mentally deranged, against nature, abnormal, etc.

Just take a quick glimpse to these facts to gain greater understanding of what I am saying:

From The Center For Disease Control {CDC): That Reason: Health Issues, Including The Cost to Innocent Tax Payer Citizens Who Do Not Choose The Homosexual Lifestyle. Men Having Sex With Men Accounts For Approximately Three-Quaters of HIV/AIDS Diagnoses. The Cases of HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men is more than 44 times that of Heterosexual men. According to one study published by the CDC in 2010, one in five Men Having Sex With Men in the 21 cities surveyed has HIV and almost half are unaware of their status. The federal budget request for fiscal year 2011 included a total of $20.4 billion for domestic HIV and AIDS, a 4% increase from the fiscal year 2010 funding, which totaled $19.6 billion. Of this, 69 percent is for treatment, 13 percent for cash and housing assistance, and 4 percent for prevention. Lifestyle Choice. I Am Commanded by My Lord, God, and, Saviour, Jesus Christ, to Love Homosexual Individuals With The Love of God...And I Do! (For The Record).

While CDC estimates that ONLY 4% of men in the United States are Men Having Sex With Men, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men in the United States is MORE THAN 44 (fourty-four) TIMES that of other men (range: 522 –989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men). CREDIT: CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL [CDC] (CDC.GOV URL) Anyone Can Choose To Leave This Lifestyle Before They Become A Part of These Statistics! (I Speak This With The Love of Christ Jesus).......Ken Orr The federal budget request for fiscal year (FY) 2011 includes a total of $20.4 BILLION DOLLARS for domestic HIV and AIDS, a 4% increase from the FY 2010 funding, which totaled $19.6 BILLION DOLLARS.34 Federal funding for AIDS programs falls into five basic categories: care and treatment, financial and housing assistance, prevention, research, and global spending (most of which goes out through the US PEPFAR program). Of these five budgets, care spending is by far the largest - just over half of the FY 2010 budget was for care and treatment programs. THE MAJORITY of AIDS CARE FUNDING goes out through the federal MEDICARE and MEDICAID PROGRAMS for people who do not have adequate private health insurance. (Innocent American Tax Payers Forced to Pay For Those Who Choose This Lifestyle of Homosexual Behavior). I Do Not Blame Innocent Victims Such As Children and Blood Transfusion Patients. credit: Avert.Org International HIV & AIDS charity. Ken Orr

August 8, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

"There's nut-jobs everywhere and religion supplies 90% of them."

With Mr. Orr I proved my point.

August 8, 2012 at 1:17 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

daytonsdarwin,

Name-Calling is Childish...very immature. We did a lot of it in Kindergarten. When we had no other intelligent defense, then, we would revert to Childish/immature name-calling. I am sorry. I don't mean to offend You. But, I do have a question. "What is daytonsdarwin's age?" Please do not be an embarrassment to Yourself, and, other posters to this site.

If You are a Young Person (Child), then, this is not intended for You. I truly believe I might have been talking with an adult.

Ken ORR

August 8, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Any time a post begins with the assertion of "CONCLUSION:", you already know someone is fixing to feed you a whole heaping load of crappola.

August 8, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

I have the highest regard for any person who is a practicing homosexual, because, they are 'first' a person. My entire motivation is to warn, and, hopefully save people from the slow, agonizingly painful, brain destroying ravage of HIV/AIDS. As a Combat Medic, I first worked in hospitals. Then, throughout my life, as a civilian, I worked in even more hospitals.

Believe me, HIV/AIDS Victims, in Hospice, etc., very often find themselves dying lonely, forsaken deaths. Usually ALL of their devoted, homosexual/PLEASURE-SEXUAL, 'friends' totally abandon them in the throes of DEATH. They have sexual encounters that just will not allow them to take time to comfort their fellow-past buddy. Also, the screaming, pain-ridden, hallucinating, buddy reminds them of their (OWN) probable final hours on earth.

A Note to lesbians and female PLEASURE-SEXUALS:

HIV IS THE Third most-deadly disease for women in the United States, behind only cancer and heart disease. It's also the leading cause of death for African-American women between the ages of 25 and 34. (The American Foundation for AIDS Research.) (You decide how many of these women are lesbians). Even 'one' lesbian death is too many!

Women! Your partner may often be around HIV/AIDS infected men. You do not know if she is a PLEASURE-SEXUAL, or, a true Homosexual. If, in a weak moment she has relations with an infected man, then, she will likely infect You also. I do, genuinely care.......kwo

I have the love of Christ Jesus for all Homosexual individuals, and, PLEASURE-SEXUALS who believe they are Homosexual. I beg them to call upon Jesus Christ, find a loving Church Congregation, and flee this [what has been labeled by some as the 'Culture of DEATH'!] You will be my Brother, and/or Sister in Christ with a New Start to a New Life with a bright future.

Ken ORR

August 8, 2012 at 2:41 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

dao1980,

If You would, please stay in the background right now. I am seriously attempting to help save lives of 'possibly confused', frightened individuals. Please, this is just for now. I hope You understand, and, will join me in my effort to assure our Youth of bright, happy, futures.

Kindest Regards,

Ken ORR

August 8, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
Fendrel said...

PAUL JOHNSON - said " I would like to see it become a requirement that a voter must also be a taxpayer to vote"

So are you going to prevent anyone in the military from being able to vote (they are exempt from paying income tax while on Active Duty)

Not that there isn't some merit to the idea, I mean that's how it was in France in the late eighteenth century ... had to pay taxes equivalent to 3 days salary to be able to vote...and a few other cool things, like had to be catholic, (sorry, no Jews or Protestants could vote), actors and hangmen were prevented from voting, no slaves...sorry, oh, also had to own land and, of course, sorry women...not a chance.

August 8, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Kenny, if you would, please get a life as soon as possible.

Your "attempt to help save" anyone from anything is beyond laughable at best.

The fact that you even wrote the words "frightened individual" tells me that your ability to conceptualize your own personal emotional sickness isn't completely atrophied beyond use.

As many posters on this site have advised, I will repeat: please seek professional counselling.

With every post, your emotional and mental anguish becomes more and more visible to the readers and posters that come here to debate, discuss, argue, contest opposing viewpoints with each other upon the topics of the day.

August 8, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Mr. Orr, You are right. I shouldn't have called you a nut-job.

I should have said "religious nut-job."

Most nut-jobs are harmless. Most religious nut-jobs aren't. You're in the same ark as Louis Farrakhan, Bin Laden, John Calvin, Rushdoony, Opus Dei, Jim Jones, David Koresh, and many of the true believers of revealed religion.

Add Pat Roberson, John Hagee, TBN, PTL, and others waiting in the wings and there's a full tent of nutters, all convinced they hold the Keys to the Kingdom because Jehovah told them personally.

I'm not worried about homosexuals down the street, next door, at work, in the grocery store, or swimming pool. It's the small-minded, intolerant, sword-of-Gideon wielding, anti-science and anti-reason people like Tim McVeigh, ultra-Zionists, 9/11 hijackers, fanatical Muslims, and other such rabble that pose the greatest threat to life and liberty; not some gay man or lesbian who wishes to live his or her life without harassment from religious nutters.

I will thank whatever god you choose though, that I don't live next door to you.

August 8, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

daytonsdarwin, dao1980, JustOneWoman, and, others not on this particular thread:

I can easily detect 'Desperation'. Evidently, before I came to this site, You were able to plagiarize, paraphrase, and, in many other ways 'lift' quotes from 'true' intellectuals, and, pawn them off as belonging to You. The Great Minds of history and their quotes are well know by the well-read. You, though, are neutralized by me, as I Shine The Light on You. Now, it is time for You to deal with someone in Your own league, yet, honest, and, with more depth than You can ever attain to without Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Fasten Your proverbial seat belts and get ready to get dizzy...ER.

August 8, 2012 at 5 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

"You, though, are neutralized by me, as I Shine The Light on You. Now, it is time for You to deal with someone in Your own league, yet, honest, and, with more depth than You can ever attain to without Jesus Christ of Nazareth"

I prefer the Jesus Christ of Red Bank. He's a lot more fun, tells good jokes, damn good cook, and his daddy's not a paranoid/schizo.

I don't think you could neutralize a green-bottle fly drunk on Thunderbird, but you might crazy-talk him into suicide.

Speaking of Shining the Light, are you playing "Peeping Tom for Jesus" again?

August 8, 2012 at 5:49 p.m.
dao1980 said...

There's that ol' "CONCLUSION" again.

Aaaaand what followed it? Ken's usual nonsense.

Though, this time in church-smack-talk throw-down mode. (snicker)

August 8, 2012 at 5:59 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

"Though, this time in church-smack-talk throw-down mode. (snicker)"

Beware the Wrath of Ken. He may call down a plague of hemorrhoids and athlete's foot on you, blind you with his 1 watt Shining Light, or vibrate you with his Pleasure-Sexual (batteries not included).

August 8, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
SICKofBS said...

There goes self-hating-closet-homosexual Orr spouting off his ignorant nonsense again. I just love reading his ridiculous rants when I have a bad day. Gives me a real good belly laugh.

August 8, 2012 at 6:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken Orr, get help. Soon. You are in great need of it.

August 8, 2012 at 7:14 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Please! Ladies, and/or, Gentlemen! You must spar fairly. You are ganging up on a single individual. What about ethics, fair play, balance, fair & balanced, journalistic equity, charity; (charity?) anyway, give a guy a break. Give a guy a fighting chance...don't gang up on him. Here's a new word for Your vocabulary...'Mercy'.

Peace,

Ken ORR

August 8, 2012 at 8:57 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken Orr, your posts have been answered multiple times by multiple people here. You are not listening. That indicates a) you are a troll and are being deliberately obnoxious or b) you need help. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

August 8, 2012 at 9:28 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Sadly, Mr. Orr is for real. He was Ron Bhalla's campaign manager in the 3rd Congressional District House race in the recent Republican primary. He also works for Mr. Bhalla in some real estate holdings/business.

Even sadder is that Mr. Orr is not the only one of his kind out there. There's other fallen acorns under the tree of theocracy ready to deliver that Ol' Time Religion beat-down to those refusing to follow their path of myths and superstitions.

August 8, 2012 at 10:42 p.m.
SICKofBS said...

Spar fairly, huh? What about the far fetched "facts" you spew like bile, the perverted claims you make against those who differ from you (which sometimes come across as more that a fantasy diatribe than anything else). And not to mention how you constantly copy and paste your previous idiotic posts and submit over and over, as if we can't all see you are clearly a lunatic not that far off from the Phelps clan. You thankfully stop short of picketing everything thing you disagree with signs of hatred. So if you want fair play, stop repeating yourself. Especially when your previous claims have been refuted. Constant repeating of your rants does NOT change the truth to what you want it to be.

August 8, 2012 at 11:10 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

UN-CONCLUSION:

Message Received, Message Heard (idiom). I think You do mean well. Is there any chance You could say, just once, "I hope no one contracts the HIV/AIDS virus"? Can You support me on that one? I do not ask that it be linked to any specific person, or, group. kwo

August 9, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Who the heck ever "hopes" for anyone to get sick or contract a communicable disease??

What a weirdo.. No soup for you!

August 9, 2012 at 3:35 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Message Received, Message Heard (idiom). I think You do mean well. Is there any chance You could say, just once, "I hope no one contracts the HIV/AIDS virus"? Can You support me on that one? I do not ask that it be linked to any specific person, or, group. kwo

I don't want anyone to contract any disease. Not herpes, not chlamydia, not syphilis, but also not whooping cough or measles or (dog forbid) Ebola (death rate >70%) The greatest infection rate for HIV is among heterosexual women, who contract it from partners after they pick it up from prostitutes (primarily in developing countries).In the US HIV is no longer the death sentence it once was, but is still incurable.

This, however, is not the point. You repeat the same erroneous things post after post, you seem to be unable to accept the idea that gays live normal, mundane lives that do not include sex with children, that the only difference between gays and straights is that they are emotionally and physically attracted to people of their own gender. They are not committing crimes, or exploiting children or engaging in risky behavior any more than straights. That you bible makes claims that gays are abominations does not make it true.

Your inability to learn, your unwillingness to let go of demonizing homosexuals is a sign that you have not dealt with the horrible events that you experienced as a child. At the very least you condone denial of full rights for gays. But I believe (and this is my own opinion) that it is also interfering with your happiness as a human being. This is tragic and unnecessary. You may also be at risk in other ways that I will not articulate in a public forum. So, again, I urge you to get professional help. Stay away from those that reinforce your negative and incorrect obsessions.

August 9, 2012 at 8:13 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

Then, dao1980, I must conclude (I'm not totally sure that I do at this juncture), that You are suspect. You seem to continue to support Youth experimenting with homosexual behavior and becoming another casualty/statistic of such foolish CHOICES. This is so because You continue to refuse absolute, solid, verifiable, statistics regarding the homosexual community. Oh, are we back to the kindergarten 'name-calling' (speaks something about intelligence). Would You like some more 'Soup'?

Ken ORR

August 9, 2012 at 8:19 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Thank You, lkeithlu, well spoken! (Except: Should You really make fun of God? Just in case You find out that He is Real?) Otherwise, Thank You, lkeithlu, Your wisdom has been expressed.

Ken ORR

August 9, 2012 at 8:25 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSIVE ANSWER: TO WHAT... JustOneWoman said...

"But Islam on the other hand, can be. How convenient for the Christians to usher in the demonionists just to have their religion prooved wrong and Islam put in its place. Then how do you think it will end up?"

JustOneWoman, The islamic countries that do not yet govern with sharia law...will, soon. If the United States of America comes under sharia law, then, the government can exercise their privilege/right to decapitate any known homosexual individual. Yes, all know homosexuals would be subject to being beheaded. This is the islamic penalty for homosexual behavior under sharia law. JustOneWoman, Your question of: "Then how do you think it will end up?", has just been duly answered.

DR. KENNETH J. STEWART Lookout Mountain, Ga., Is Absolutely Correct. He is Right.

Ken ORR

August 9, 2012 at 9:25 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Mr Orr:

You posted:

You seem to continue to support Youth experimenting with homosexual behavior and becoming another casualty/statistic of such foolish CHOICES.

Youth of both genders have experimented with sex, including gay sex, for generations and have not suffered ill effects, Ken. The one damaging experience is when youth are abused by adults, sexually or otherwise. THAT is why we have consent laws. THAT is why child sexual abuse is wrong. Sexual experimentation among same-age youth is normal. This is what everyone is trying to communicate to you. Sexual abuse of a child by an adult is abuse-abuse of trust, abuse of power, abuse of affection. It hurts, it twists, it distorts. BUT THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR. Sex between consenting adults in not wrong, even if it does not fit everyone's desires. STOP EQUATING THEM.

By the way, I don't believe in any gods. Nor do I consider the bible anything other than a book.

August 9, 2012 at 9:33 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

ikeithlu wrote, "By the way, I don't believe in any gods. Nor do I consider the bible anything other than a book."

And not a very good book at that. It's one of the major books of fiction that I could do without.

That book of fairy tales, myths, and superstitions has killed more people and caused more global harm than all other documents in history combined by the twisted dogma of its true believers.

So much for the "peace of god."

August 9, 2012 at 10:13 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

'Delving a little deeper'

This is much more than an intellectual discussion for me. I have six children. It horrifies me to think I would ever see one of them suffer the AIDS death. I have seen the AIDS death many times because of working in hospitals for so long. I strongly suspect certain of my relatives have died of AIDS. This in spite of the fact the hospitals called it 'this cancer, or, that cancer, or, some other trumped up cause. Every time my children are on the internet, and, they love the Times Free Press style of delivering news. They enjoy the options available. Often, they are the first to inform me of news reports.

So, here comes someone trying to convince the public that there is no greater risk of AIDS when they are cohort with the homosexual community.

As a loving parent of six children, I must...I have no choice but to warn them of possible consequences of 'x' behavior. This is for all of my loved ones, not only my children.

Plus, all my children know of my being sexually abused by a [pedophile]. This man did certain kinds of great damage to me that I could never tell in public. Am I supposed to join in with the people who support homosexual behavior? (i do distinguish between homosexual non-pedophiles, and, homosexual pedophiles]. It has to do with the definition of the behavior. In other words, I, in no way believe all homosexual individuals are pedophiles. (oh, no, i think i could have left this part out! Definitions and All!

'God loves everyone'.......ken

August 9, 2012 at 10:38 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

"God loves everyone"

Never has a bigger pile of BS ever been laid on this earth than that statement.

No thanks, Jehovah, you can keep that kind of love to yourself. Murder, rape, torture, persecutions, slavery, and all the rest of your loving acts of kindness make Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot seem like altar boys.

August 9, 2012 at 11:07 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

This is much more than an intellectual discussion for me. I have six children. It horrifies me to think I would ever see one of them suffer the AIDS death.

Then educate them. Teach them how to protect themselves against HIV (not a high chance) and herpes, chlamydia and gonorrhea, which are more common. Comprehensive sex education is key, and helps prevent unwanted pregnancy as well. Don't teach them to fear sex, and don't couple sex, including homosexual activity, with shame. Make sure young children are protected from abuse by supervising them and teaching them what inappropriate contact is. Use correct terms and talk to them about sex at the level appropriate for their age. You can do your children a great service this way.

August 10, 2012 at 12:10 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Kenny, no is more suspect of the things you obsess over than yourself.

I stand by my assessment of you as a verified creepmaster weirdo. (hope my "name calling" doesn't distract you from my message)

Based on the constant topic of your thoughts, I fear for any children or pets that you have access to.

OH, and one such as yourself, who has been denied soup, has none to offer. DUH.. simple stuff dude.

August 10, 2012 at 7:36 a.m.
poespoet said...

Mr. Orr, your comments have initiated me to the TFP on line opinions. I will wisely choose not to engage in a discussion, much less debate, with one who cannot be open to at least hearing another perspective. Nor will I dispute the truths you put forward here as your truths. But I feel compelled to simply state a few of my own.

First. I was born into this world as homosexual, thus it is not something I 'practice'- it is how I was made.

Second I have worked in health care for 20 years, including hospice. I have seen tremendous support from friends and family for those dying from aids. Yes, there are some who are abandoned, even by their church. But I have also seen many heterosexuals dying alone, forsaken by family and friends.

Third. This is the greatest of my truths. I already have a 'Loving Church congregation' where I have 'Brothers and Sisters in Christ' who choose what appears to be a different approach to Christianity than yours. Come and check us out. Pilgrim United Church of Christ.

Oh well, I do feel compelled to make one comment.Your statistics on the financial cost of AIDS are impressive. I would like to challenge you to research the public cost of treating heart and lung disease caused by those who chose to smoke, eat improperly,and lead a sedentary lifestyle.

August 10, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

dao1980,

Are You either 32, or, 33 years old? 1980. And using the designation, 'dude' would fit into that age group. But, the 'word' DUH may place You into another age category. Just trying to be a junior detective! I would ask that You join with me in taking sound counsel from lkeithlu (except in regard to spiritual matters). We both would be rewarded with greater overall balance. You really are not a bad person, me thinks, just full of gutsy fire. You would make a great soldier in military service.

Ken ORR

August 10, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

...IN REGARD TO POESPOET...ON HOMOSEXUALITY...

Thank You, poespoet, You are a gentle soul. This debate has been going on since before Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible. It has evolved, though. I know I do not, by any stretch of the imagination, have the correct understanding on this matter.

I would never skirmish with You, nor, any other individual who truly lives the homosexual life (is homosexual). If I may, I will go so far as to say this: "In my heart and spirit right now, I have the perception that You are more approved by Our Saviour, Jesus Christ, than I am."

Ken ORR

August 10, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

dao1980,

Let us all continue praying the U.S. remains a Christian Nation. We certainly do not want to ever have to give a report in the U.S. like the following:

In its 1991 Constitution, Iran adopted the extreme punishment of execution for sodomy. Articles 108-113 say: Sodomy is a crime, for which both partners are punished. The punishment is death if the participants are adults, of sound mind and consenting; the method of execution is for the Shari'a judge to decide. In February 1998, the Taliban, who once ruled in Afghanistan, ordered this punishment for three men convicted of sodomy:

On Wednesday, the Taleban ordered the execution of three men for sodomy in the southern town of Kandahar, southern Afghanistan. They were ordered to be buried alive under a pile of stones and a wall was pushed on top of them by a tank. Their lives were to be spared if they survived for 30 minutes and were still alive when the stones were removed.

Ken ORR

August 10, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.

PAUL JOHNSON, there's a reason why we have universal suffrage, and that's because the laws apply to everybody. Deny people a voice in government at your own peril, because you will destroy the legitimacy of your government if you keep people out of it.

August 10, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken, the US is not a Christian nation.

August 10, 2012 at 11:15 p.m.
dao1980 said...

The Taliban murdered those folks because their religious beliefs supported their lust for blood. Iran is in the shape it's in mostly due to religious rule, and the articles you offer are ones written by the guidance of "holy men" in their particular religion.

I wouldn't trust a theocracy of Christian rule any further.

My using my birth year is with intent and purpose. An attempt to assist others understand the political and social events that contributed to shaping my perspectives and opinions.

We're not buddies Kenneth, and I feel nauseated at your attempt to warm up to me this late in the game after all you have posted regarding your obsession with what other people do behind closed doors.

It's not necessarily what you said in those last two posts to me, it's how you said it. Your tone is beyond creepy.

What you call being a "junior detective" I would better label as you tipping your hand as a possible online predator.

You need to think about what you are posting.

August 13, 2012 at 7:21 a.m.
please login to post a comment

videos »         

photos »         

e-edition »

advertisement
advertisement

Find a Business

400 East 11th St., Chattanooga, TN 37403
General Information (423) 756-6900
Copyright, Permissions, Terms & Conditions, Privacy Policy, Ethics policy - Copyright ©2014, Chattanooga Publishing Company, Inc. All rights reserved.
This document may not be reprinted without the express written permission of Chattanooga Publishing Company, Inc.