published Monday, August 13th, 2012

You didn't build 'that'

"That is not what I meant at all. That is not it, at all."

— T. S. Eliot "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"

Remember back when the question of the day was what the meaning of "is," is? That seems so long ago — A.D. 1998. Back then the president doing the explaining was The Hon. William J. Clinton, Esq. Testifying before a grand jury at one point, he explained that he wasn't lying, not at all, when he'd assured his top aides, the kind of loyal supporters who might actually have believed him, that, no, there was nothing going on between him and this Monica Lewinsky.

How could that not have been a lie? Bill Clinton's response, made under oath (if that means anything in his case): "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the — if he — if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not — that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement . . . . Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."

Got all that? We never did, either.

But it was an impressive response nevertheless.

Now the question is no longer the meaning of "is," but the meaning of "that." Now there's another linguistician in the White House, or at least another slick customer. And for weeks we've been assured this president didn't say what he said, not at all. It's just that his words have been quoted out of context, twisted around, distorted by selective quotation . . . .

Take your choice of the editing tricks his unprincipled critics have been using to make it seem the president said something he didn't, namely that American businessmen didn't build their companies. Never mind what the rest of us heard him say. He didn't. And who you gonna believe, the president of the United States or your own lyin' ears?

•••

Here's what Mr. Obama actually said in a campaign appearance at Roanoke, Va., on Friday, July 13, 2012 — complete with surrounding context. Judge for yourself, as you should and would anyway:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business — you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

If you thought our president was saying that if you've got a business, you didn't build that, then you heard wrong. All he was saying was that somebody else made that happen — that you, Mr. Businessman, or Ms. Businesswoman, owe your success not to your own hard work or talent, or just plain luck or God's help, but to somebody else — the rest of us, the Great Collective, and those roads and bridges government built. And that's what the president meant by "that."

Oh.

But who in real life talks like that, referring to roads and bridges not as those but that? The president of the United States, apparently.

It's enough to make us miss plain English. And not for the first time. What ever happened to the plain meaning of words, to the way people — not politicians — talk? Remember the days when you didn't need an interpreter to understand what a president of the United States was saying? But that was ages ago, that is, long before this year's endless presidential campaign began.

Now the country has a president who has to keep explaining, or rather not explaining, what he said about American businessmen not creating their own businesses. That's his story and he's sticking to it, despite the plain meaning of words.

•••

Another of the speech's more head-scratching moments was the president's highly debatable version of who created the Internet and how, exactly, government invented it so American companies could make money off it.

Yes, there was a forerunner of the Internet designed largely for military purposes called ARPAnet, and it originated with the government's Advanced Research Projects Agency, but it was developed by a private company, BBN Technologies, its hardware was designed by Honeywell, and AT&T set up the phone lines. And a number of think tanks and universities played supporting roles in that cast of thousands. If all the credits were rolled, there would be enough of them for a Hollywood blockbuster. All in all, Mr. President, it wasn't quite as simple as "Government research created the Internet so that all companies could make money off the Internet."

Indeed, far from being designed for commercial purposes, ARPANet was declared off-limits for private use. As late as 1982, a handbook on computing put out by MIT warned students: "It is considered illegal to use the ARPAnet for anything which is not in direct support of government business. . . . Sending electronic mail over the ARPAnet for commercial profit or political purposes is both anti-social and illegal. By sending such messages, you can offend many people, and it is possible to get MIT in serious trouble with the government agencies which manage the ARPAnet."

So much for government's having invented the Internet to help American businesses make money off it. Not that the private sector couldn't be just as blind to the Internet's potential. Xerox was so obsessed with making copiers in the 1970s, it couldn't be bothered with developing the Internet -- or inventing the personal computer, for that matter. All that would be left to Steve Jobs at Apple. Are we supposed to believe he didn't build that company, that somebody else did? That it was built by all those roads and bridges?

Who knew?

This president needs a fact-checker, or at least a good copy editor, hard as both are to come by.

A wise president, or just a wise man, having been caught in so gross a misstatement, would simply say he was sorry, or maybe "No Excuse," as soldiers are taught to say in the service after they screw up royally. Then the air would be cleared, and the whole mess put behind us. Confession is good not just for the soul, but for peace of mind. What would it cost, a little false pride? And it would be more than compensated for by a healthy measure of self-respect.

Instead, by trying to "explain" what he said, or didn't say, our president has only prolonged this controversy and his own verbal ordeal. And he's also entrenched the phrase, "You didn't build that," in American memories. Much like "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

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nucanuck said...

This guy is getting paid to write this gibberish!

August 13, 2012 at 12:20 a.m.
jesse said...

EXACTLY! Nit picking of the first order! Put it in context and it's very clear what was meant!

August 13, 2012 at 5:05 a.m.
EaTn said...

Only the proud and arrogant would consider that any profitable business they managed was without the benefits of a government supplied money system and infrastructure. They represent the worst of the "me" generation.

August 13, 2012 at 6:08 a.m.
joneses said...

The government has never built a road or a bridge as it hires private industry to do it. By the way, I always thought the government was for the people and that the government existed because people pay taxes for what is supposed to be limited federal government services. Therefore the government is the people or it supposed to be. But under a dictatorial regime like Hussein Obama's the government is a separate entity and is here to rule the people. See Valerie Jarrets statement below.

The co-chair of Barack Obama's Transition Team, Valerie Jarrett told Tom Brokaw that Obama will be ready to "rule" on day one. It's a word that reflects the worst fears that people have for Obama the "arrogant," the "messiah," that imagines he's here to "rule" instead of govern. Jarret told Brokaw that "given the daunting challenges that we face, it's important that president elect Obama is prepared to really take power and begin to rule day one.

Someone needs to get to Jarrett and inform her that American politicians are not Kings and do not "rule" from office. But if this is the attitude of Obama's transition team, what does The One himself imagine he is about to unleash? Could the fears that Obama thinks he is being anointed America's King be far off with this sort of talk flying about?

August 13, 2012 at 7:09 a.m.
conservative said...

Very good dissection!

I just hope the Romney campaign and supporters continue to make Owebama wear that "if you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen," albatross around his neck.

This disaster of a Socialist president has got to go.

August 13, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.
joneses said...

This disaster of "The One" who thinks he was put in the White House to "rule" has got to go. There is a reason Hussein Obama is managing such a negative campaign and that reason is he has no accomplishments to run on. If he did he would.

August 13, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
facyspacy said...

"Remember the days when you didnt need an interpreter to understand what the president was saying"..... I understand English Knothead, I dont understand socialanese. Everything is indirectly related. So everyone I ever learned something from or anybody that did a favor for me helped me build my business? Come on Barrack, you are much smarter than that. Clownshow

August 13, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.
timbo said...

You liberal imbeciles lose again. Great analysis.

EaTN... You and you arrogant liberals just don't get it. Business flurished before there was infrastructure or a money supply. People bartered and they built their own roads.

The fact that you think that everything springs from the sorry government shows just how dumb you are.

August 13, 2012 at 9:57 a.m.
conservative said...

This disaster of a Socialist President really doesn't have a clue. He like most Liberals/Demoncrats doesn't know what is involved in running a business and really doesn't seem to care. He has adopted Marxist philosophy from family, friends, schools of indoctrination, "Rev." Wright, the Demoncrat party, and radicals. He has made his intentions known with "spread the wealth" and "spread the corn" statements and is sticking to that agenda.

It is time for him to go.

August 13, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

I think it's funny how this editor uses a line from the Prufrock poem, taken in isolation and thus entirely out of context, to try to make a point about something Obama said, which has been taken entirely out of context. And what use could he possibly have for elitist poetry, anyway - the stuff of liberal arts and humanities? His conservative base often claims that such studies are nothing but frivolous, useless junk courses taught at those leftist universities that brain-wash their students with their liberal, socialist agenda. Yet, this editor chooses a line from the cryptic, high art of "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" as a reference point for his trite and hackneyed trashing of Obama. Priceless.

August 13, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
joneses said...

What makes no sense is the liberals think we should be more focused on how Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney spends his money versus how Hussein Obama waste our money.

August 13, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

Tell us all how "our money" is being wasted.

August 13, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
conservative said...

A small businessman has to make many decisions in start up and day to day operations. He has to purchase /lease land and buy equipment, vehicles, supplies.He has to maintain the same. He has to hire, equip, train, schedule and have a rapport with his employees. He has to comply with state and federal regulations. He has to keep tax records, pay salaries, negotiate with employees etc.

Then clueless Owebama comes along with his Yogi Bear imitation and says -"if you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

Aye-yi-yi-yi-yi!

August 13, 2012 at 11:24 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

"Then clueless Owebama comes along with his Yogi Bear imitation and says -"if you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

And he would be correct when taken in context; which you still fail to do. Most likely because you are a moron.

Infrastructure, which includes but is not limited to roads, bridges, dams, electricity, sewage, telecommunications, schools, levees, ports, canals, airports, railroads, water supply, etc. You didn't build that.

"this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive". You didn't build that either.

The Internet. You didn't build and/or invent that either.

When read in context, everything the President said was true. Everything the President said makes sense. He was giving credit to our country, our government, and our people. But, as usual, Republicans want to make it about something else. They want to make it about "Socialism" or "Marxism". They take his words out of context and misconstrue them because they believe it makes Obama fit into the mold they have created for him. He doesn't fit that mold.

Thankfully, our current President is a critical thinker. He understands that we all got where we are with a lot of help. From parents, teachers, friends, family, and yes, our government. Whether you want to believe it or not, we have all benefited greatly from our government. Republicans want to demonize it. Democrats want to appreciate it. And there are a lot of people that fall in between but that is the current trend in our country.

August 13, 2012 at 11:55 a.m.
joneses said...

Solyndra and the Chevy Volt to name two wasteful Hussein Obama investments. Moochelle's lavish vacations which cost more to the taxpayer than most make in a year. More taxpayer wasted investments by the Hussein Obama regime.

12 members of the Green Graveyard—companies that received taxpayer money for green initiatives yet have filed for bankruptcy. Abound Solar (Loveland, Colorado), manufacturer of thin film photovoltaic modules. Beacon Power (Tyngsborough, Massachusetts), designed and developed advanced products and services to support stable, reliable and efficient electricity grid operation. Ener1 (Indianapolis, Indiana), built compact lithium-ion-powered battery solutions for hybrid and electric cars. Energy Conversion Devices (Rochester Hills, Michigan/Auburn Hills, Michigan), manufacturer of flexible thin film photovoltaic (PV) technology and a producer of batteries and other renewable energy-related products. Evergreen Solar, Inc. (Marlborough, Massachusetts), manufactured and installed solar panels. Mountain Plaza, Inc. (Dandridge, Tennessee), designed and implemented “truck-stop electrification” technology. Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsens Mills Acquisition Co. (Berlin, Wisconsin), a private company producing ethanol. Range Fuels (Soperton, Georgia), tried to develop a technology that converted biomass into ethanol without the use of enzymes. Raser Technologies (Provo, Utah), geothermal power plants and technology licensing. Solyndra (Fremont, California), manufacturer of cylindrical panels of thin-film solar cells. Spectrawatt (Hopewell, New York), solar cell manufacturer. Thompson River Power LLC (Wayzata, Minnesota), designed and developed advanced products and services to support stable, reliable and efficient electricity grid operation.

August 13, 2012 at 12:14 p.m.

Oh Right-side of the paper, you own pedantry is evidence enough of the pathetic nature of your own argument.

If you want to start criticizing people over such petty details, you missed your chance with George W. Bush. Oh wait, your resounding silence, your incredible efforts to defend him, while you lambaste others shows your partisan hypocrisy at its finest. I bet you couldn't even dig up a reason to chide Mitt Romney for his own recent mistakes.

Keep doing that, your resounding biases destroy your arguments better than any criticism you could offer.

You know what you need? Somebody to give you a sense of integrity.

Or just keep behaving in such a dishonest way that you become your own best argument against you.

August 13, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.
joneses said...

I find it absolutely absurd this liberals continue to blame George Bush for Hussein Obama's failures. it is beyond ridiculous how they continue to give Hussein Obama a pass on all his failures. if The policies by President Bush were so absurd then why on earth does Hussein Obama not reverse them? He reversed welfare reform signed by Bill Clinton. What is stopping Hussein Obama? It is time these dishonest liberals became honest and start holding Hussein Obama accountable for him lying to them.

August 13, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

So you can name two things. TWO! LMAO! Then you resort to copy and pasting. Many of those companies came out of bankruptcy and are still functioning. I bet you didn't know that.

"Moochelle's lavish vacations which cost more to the taxpayer than most make in a year."

No tax payer money goes towards family vacations. You're reaching, moron.

August 13, 2012 at 12:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

"if The policies by President Bush were so absurd then why on earth does Hussein Obama not reverse them?"

He has.

"It is time these dishonest liberals became honest and start holding Hussein Obama accountable for him lying to them."

It is time for you to start becoming a sentient human being and realizing that Obama is already held accountable by everyone, conservatives and liberals alike.

The disconcerting part is that you never hold your Republican Presidents' accountable for anything they do. In your warped mind, Bush had nothing to do with the Recession. In your warped mind, you think Obama has changed welfare reform. Nothing you believe is consistent with reality. It's all Right-wing Propaganda. And you believe it every time.

August 13, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.
joneses said...

The Obamas' summer break on Martha's Vineyard has already been branded a PR disaster after the couple arrived four hours apart on separate government jets. But according to new reports, this is the least of their extravagances. White House sources today claimed that the First Lady has spent $10million of U.S. taxpayers' money on vacations alone in the past year.

Branding her 'disgusting' and 'a vacation junkie', they say the 47-year-old mother-of-two has been indulging in five-star hotels, where she splashes out on expensive massages and alcohol.

A top source said 'It's disgusting. Michelle is taking advantage of her privileged position while the most hardworking Americans can barely afford a week or two off work. 'When it's all added up, she's spent more than $10million in taxpayers' money on her vacations.'

His and her jets: The President and his wife, who are spending nine days on Martha's Vineyard, have come under fire for travelling on separate planes The First Lady is believed to have taken 42 days of holiday in the past year, including a $375,000 break in Spain and a four-day ski trip to Vail, Colorado, where she spent $2,000 a night on a suite at the Sebastian hotel. And the first family's nine-day stay in Martha's Vineyard is also proving costly, with rental of the Blue Heron Farm property alone costing an estimated $50,000 a week. The source continued: 'Michelle also enjoys drinking expensive booze during her trips. She favours martinis with top-shelf vodka and has a taste for rich sparking wines. 'The vacations are totally Michelle's idea. She's like a junkie. She can't schedule enough getaways, and she lives from one to the next - all the while sticking it to hardworking Americans.'

While the President and his wife do pay for some of their personal expenses from their own pocket, the website whitehousedossier.com says that the amount paid by the couple is 'dwarfed by the overall cost to the public'.

August 13, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

"While the President and his wife do pay for some of their personal expenses from their own pocket"

The President and his wife pay for all of their personal expenses. You are trying to present blatant misinformation as truth.

You're a moron.

Did you hold W. Bush and Reagan accountable for their "tax payer funded" vacations? It's time for you to be honest!

http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/obamas-vacations-of-any-president-bush-racked-up-the-most/

August 13, 2012 at 1:11 p.m.
timbo said...

Easy123....That was the whole point of the article. The author made a great case that it wasn't out of context. The fact that is governments greatest fan and the letters from you dumb libs, I would say it proves it wasn't out of context.

August 13, 2012 at 1:22 p.m.
Downtownman said...

Joneses, did you just copy and paste an article? It wasnt from a right wing tabloid was it? And then spread through blogs of credible news sources in their comments section? And has been thoroughly debunked? You might as well be honest, I already know where the article came from, because I actually research things before I believe them.

August 13, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Joneses, you are a liar. You point your fingers while ignoring facts. How about some research instead of HATE. You HATE so therefore, evil comes out.

George W. Bush did in 2004. Back in 2004, CNN reported that, “On June 16, 2004, CNN reported, “President Bush is using Air Force One for re-election travel more heavily than any predecessor, wringing maximum political mileage from a perk of office paid for by taxpayers. While John Kerry digs into his campaign bank account to charter a plane to roam the country, Bush often travels at no cost to his campaign simply by declaring a trip ‘official’ travel rather than ‘political.’ Even when the White House deems a trip as political, the cost to Bush’s campaign is minimal. In such instances, the campaign must only pay the government the equivalent of a comparable first-class fare for passengers. It’s a minuscule sum, compared to the $56,800-per-hour it costs to run Air Force One.” http://www.politicususa.com/gop-calls-for-obama-investigation-but-bush-misused-air-force-one-for-rnc-events.html

August 13, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.
joneses said...

Many liberals seem to lie without the slightest guilt or compunction.

For left-wing politics, lying goes back to the Russian Bolsheviks or earlier. The masses were lied to because the ruling elite (or the ruling elite to be) felt that the ends (Marxism) justified any means, and the masses were too stupid and ignorant to know what was good for them. But the ruling elite knew exactly what was good for them. Leftists have a rather low opinion of the masses, the average citizen.

Liberalism is like a religion, and it has zealots as fanatical as any other religion. But unlike most religions, liberalism has no moral code. The closest thing to a moral code in liberalism is “don’t get caught”. Ethics are situational, and totally up for interpretation. The truth is subjective, and the truth is merely what you want it to be. To the fanatic the leftist cause is so noble, so sacred that any lying or cheating for the leftist cause is justified.

White House sources today claimed that the First Lady has spent $10million of U.S. taxpayers' money on vacations alone in the past year.

Why Liberals Lie So Much

When a liberal lies to the American public, he is in effect saying,

“You are too stupid to know what is good for you. I know what is good for you. I will say anything I need to say to convince you my way is the right way.”

If liberals were honest about their vision for this country few people would ever vote for them. Liberals must lie to us in order to impose the tyranny of liberalism upon us.

August 13, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.
joneses said...

Oh No! Justonebitch caught me. Man she is smart. Duuuuh. What an idiot.

August 13, 2012 at 1:27 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

joneses said... ... "tyranny of liberalism".....

Now THAT is funny! Joneses, do you have a clue what you are saying? Tyranny of liberty! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

August 13, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
charivara said...

Joneses: Exactly what are all President Obama's [someone who is really a true American would at least be respectful] failures that are you whining about? Why does he not reverse Bush policies? It's not a matter of policy but of commitments made by President G.W. Bush and Republicans that President Obama has to deal with (see below) and of course, Republicans have done all they can to make sure that he can't reverse the situation he has inherited. (See what Mitch McConnell said about what the primary goal of Republicans in the Senate is and then show that this has nothing to do with President Obama's "failures".) While you are researching that, see if you can find out how accurate these are:

Bush increased the national debt by $5 trillion during an economic boom. 2001 - $5.871 trillion 2008 - $10.640 trillion Obama has done it during a time of decreased tax revenue due to the Bush recession. Jan 31st 2009 = $10.569-trillion Jan 31st 2011 = $14.131-trillion But of the $3.56-trillion increase, 98% was carry over from Bush programs: Bush: $910-billion = Interest on Debt 2009/2011 Bush: $360-billion = Iraq War Spending 2009/2011 Bush: $319-billion = TARP/Bailo­ut Balance from 2008 (as of May 2010) Bush: $419-billion = Bush Recession Caused Drop in taxes Bush: $190-billion = Bush Medicare Drug Program 2009/2011 Bush: $211-billion = Bush Meicare Part-D 2009/2011 Bush: $771-billion = Bush Tax Cuts 2009/2011

Bush's contribution: 2001 to 2008: $4.769-tri­llion 2009 to 2010: $3.181-tri­llion Total: $7.950-trillion Increase Since 2001 = $14.131 - $5.871 = $8.26-tril­lion Bush's contributi­on: $7.950-trillion / $8.26-tril­lion = 96% Increase caused By Bush's Programs: 96% Increase caused by Obama’s Programs: 4%

And while you are at it, how did President Obama reverse the welfare reform?

Once you've reported back to us the results of your research, we can discuss who is dishonest around here. Or who is just plain ignorant.

August 13, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
Downtownman said...

This is a pathetic attempt by the right side of the paper to keep a story alive. The cons want to believe their wrong interpretation so much, the editorial writer could just banged his head on the keyboard, printed the jibberish, and the cons would have applauded the effort. Bennett's cartoon again is proven true.

August 13, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

timbo,

"That was the whole point of the article. The author made a great case that it wasn't out of context. The fact that is governments greatest fan and the letters from you dumb libs, I would say it proves it wasn't out of context."

The author made no such case. The author simply tried to argue semantics. It is very apparent what the President was talking about if read in context.

The fact that you have the reading comprehension skills of a 5 year old proves that no one should listen to you. You know full well what the President said and what he was referring to. Just because you hate the government and want to fight, bitch, and moan about the government, doesn't make your argument more valid or the government "evil", as you wish to portray it.

August 13, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
joneses said...

In August of 2011, the Obamas spent nine days in Martha's Vineyard at a home that costs $50,000 a week to rent. The President and First Lady traveled there in separate jets, just hours apart, at an added cost of tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars. After the group Judicial Watch sued to get White House records, it was discovered that the First Lady's 2010 vacation to Spain cost nearly half a million dollars.

The many overseas trips Michelle Obama has taken, rather than taking a "staycation" and supporting tourism at home, has angered many voters who feel she is out of touch with those suffering economic hardship.

The First Lady's spending habits, compared to her peers, are covered differently by some news media outlets. After criticizing her spending in 2010, the New York Daily News praised her choice of the $6,800 jacket she wore in London, saying it is "supporting the commerce of the nation." When Ann Romney wore a $900 shirt (purchased with her own money) earlier this year, the Washington Post said it was "indicative of a tone-deaf campaign," immune to the nation's economic woes.

August 13, 2012 at 1:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

joneses,

"Justonebitch caught me."

I didn't know your mother posted on these threads. I bet she caught you masturbating again.

August 13, 2012 at 1:37 p.m.
conservative said...

Could you possibly have a rational conversation with someone who wrote this :

easy said....

"We have utterly destroyed the planet.", "It's not just my position. It's reality"

August 13, 2012 at 1:43 p.m.
joneses said...

It is amazing how you stupid ass liberals continue to blame President Bush for all the failures of Hussein Obama. President Bush has been gone almost 4 years and has no control over anything. This is Hussein Obamas failed economy. Hussein Obama has not even had a budget for the last 3 years he has occupied the White House. The only budget he submitted as rejected by his own democratic party. Hussein Obama said he would cut the debt in half during his first, and hopefully last, time in the White House. He has added almost 6 trillion dollars to the debt and is responsible for the largest tax increase on the American people through his socialized obamacare. He has also cut Medicaid 700 billion dollars that will hurt seniors and you libtards still give him a pass. It is amazing the dishonesty and hate spewing from the rancid mouths of the libtards.

August 13, 2012 at 1:43 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

"This is Hussein Obamas failed economy."

Prove it.

"He has added almost 6 trillion dollars to the debt and is responsible for the largest tax increase on the American people through his socialized obamacare."

False.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/biggest-tax-increase-in-history/

"He has also cut Medicaid 700 billion dollars that will hurt seniors and you libtards still give him a pass."

Again, false.

http://www.politifact.com/oregon/statements/2011/nov/14/rob-cornilles/another-look-favorite-republican-talking-point/

It is amazing the dishonesty and hate spewing from the ignorant mouth of Joneses.

August 13, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

"Could you possibly have a rational conversation with someone who wrote this :"

Still trying? Are you really that much of a coward? Why can't you refute what I say? Why can't you support your own position?

Are you a coward or just inept?

August 13, 2012 at 1:50 p.m.
joneses said...

AUG 12, 2012 This morning, Obama deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter appeared on Face The Nation, where she discussed Obamacare’s $700 billion cuts to Medicare. She touted those cuts as an “achievement”: Well, you know ask the wealthy to pay a little bit more. Cut waste from the government. Reform Medicare. More than $300 billion in savings from Medicare. On top of the savings we’ve already achieved. You know I heard Mitt Romney deride the $700 billion cuts in Medicare that the president achieved through health care reform. After the tremendous debt that’s been forced on America, I understand the necessity of mandatory cuts. Those cuts should hit everywhere and everyone, but I’d suggest starting with the Federal government. We well know the waste lurking behind those closed doors. Entire departments and programs should be defunded and shut down. I also see a need for cuts and reforms to Medicare as well as Medicaid. But unlike the lying Stephanie Cutter, Obama didn’t just cut $700 BILLION from Medicare – he simply moved it to Obamacare and then spent the last 2 years denying he did just that. These people controlling our lives and livelihoods from Washington D.C., aren’t simply incompetent. Their actions are intentional and part of the overall grand plan of redistribution of wealth, to be decided and directed by Barack Hussein Obama and his Marxist henchmen.

August 13, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
joneses said...

Obama's Double Talk on Sky-High Gas Prices

Energy: When gas prices hit $4 a gallon in 2008, candidate Barack Obama said it was due to previous failed energy policies. Now that prices are heading still higher, President Obama calls it progress.

Already, pump prices are higher than they've been in previous years, suggesting they will top $4 soon.

"Just on Friday, the Department of the Interior issued permits that will expand our exploration in the Arctic," Gibbs said Sunday. "Our domestic oil production is at an eight-year high, and our use of foreign oil is at a 16-year low. So we're making progress."

"Progress" isn't exactly how Obama described the country's energy picture in 2008, when gas prices were closing in on $4 a gallon. Then, it was a clear sign of "Washington's failure to lead on energy," which was "turning the middle-class squeeze into a devastating vise-grip for millions of Americans."

"For the well-off in this country," Obama said in May 2008, "high gas prices are mostly an annoyance, but to most Americans they're a huge problem, bordering on a crisis."

In August that year, he declared rising energy costs to be "one of the most dangerous and urgent threats this nation has ever faced" and that gas prices "are wiping out paychecks and straining businesses."

Domestic production has climbed in the past three years, Obama's policies had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Oil coming from offshore wells was in the pipeline, so to speak, during the Clinton and Bush years, when those permits were issued. And the oil pouring out of North Dakota is the result of drilling on private lands.

Obama, in fact, has made it clear for years that he has no real interest in boosting domestic production.

When President Bush announced plans in 2008 to lift the moratorium on offshore drilling, Obama dismissed it.

"Offshore drilling," Obama said, "would not lower gas prices today, it would not lower gas prices next year and it would not lower gas prices five years from now."

And while in office, Obama's done everything he can to limit production — slow-walking offshore permits, killing the Keystone XL pipeline, making it even harder to get oil out of federal lands.

Instead of aggressively expanding oil production, he offered a set of ridiculous alternatives — hugely wasteful "green" energy subsidies, a call for a million electric cars by 2014 and costly fuel economy mandates that won't make a dent in consumption for decades.

With gas prices up 93% since Obama took office, we're seeing just how well Obamas approach works.

August 13, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
Downtownman said...

I'm on to you joneses, more copying and pasting from right wing bloggers. Not news sources (even fox "news"), just fringe sources that spout half truths, again debunked easily by more trustworthy sources.

Ever wonder why jones diatribes seemed like cobbled together, incoherent rantings of lunatics? Its because they are. Does joneses care about accuracy? This is proof he could not care less. He reads and he believes.

It also explaines how left to his own intellect (using that term in its broadest definition), he resorts to name calling. Its all he himself has.

August 13, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.
aae1049 said...

Joneses,

Why in the world would you feel compelled to refer to the user name JustOneWoman as a B word? You can disagree, without trying to marginalize the females positing on this thread. Our political opinion counts. In fact, it gets Presidents elected. I feel certain that men that would use that term towards women on a thread or a blog most certainly use the B work referring women in other venues.

You owe EVERY Woman on this thread an apology. I mean NOW!

August 13, 2012 at 4:10 p.m.
Diskatopia said...

Amazing-- just when you think a rightwing editorialist is going to get it right, he/she (purposefully?) leaves out the part immediately following what President Obama said above, which puts it all in perspective as a very all-American and patriotic speech. One has to wonder-- did the editorialist just not bother to read it all, or was he/she being disengenuous by sly editing? Here is much of the REST of the speech, immediately after the part quoted above, emphasis mine:

((("The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.))) There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. ((( We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."))) President Obama

Radical rightwing spinmeisters out-of-context editing clearly is getting ridiculously desperate. Such Atwater-Rove tactics will fail miserably in the modern age, as finding the facts and data is as close by as Google and Bing. We independents and past independents -- yep, I was independent until McCain chose Palin and the Republican party doubled-down, at the expense of the working poor and middleclasses, on the failed trick(le)down experiment-- do not appreciate being lied to, and although both parties do lie from time to time, it seems to be the complete foundation of the Romney Campaign.

August 13, 2012 at 4:11 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

aae1049 said... Joneses,

Why in the world would you feel compelled to refer to the user name JustOneWoman as a B word? You can disagree, without trying to marginalize the females positing on this thread. Our political opinion counts. In fact, it gets Presidents elected. I feel certain that men that would use that term towards women on a thread or a blog most certainly use the B work referring women in other venues.

You owe EVERY Woman on this thread an apology. I mean NOW!

Thank you. You are so right. But, I don't expect an apology from Joneses, as he is just another one of those jerks that has been sold the kool aid. I have come to see it as an indicator that he has nothing left, no point, no argument or leg to stand on. The lower he goes, the more he shows himself for what he is.

August 13, 2012 at 4:52 p.m.
aae1049 said...

Joneses, you owe everyone an apology for the derogatory gender word. Admit it you were wrong, so we can move on to dissing Democrats, and the Jimmy Carter President we have.

August 13, 2012 at 6:25 p.m.
conservative said...

Yesterday the Socialist president Owebama who has made "spread the wealth" and "spread the corn" statements added that his vision for America is one where “prosperity is shared.”

Did you ever notice that Liberals/Socialists/Demoncrats focus on taking wealth instead of creating wealth?

August 13, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
Downtownman said...

Ever notice how un Christlike the words that come from so many (not all)of the cons are? demoncrat, libtards, bitch. Do left leaning folks name call also? Yep, but they dont claim the facade of holier than thou zealots, avoiding the blantant hypocricy.

Make no mistake, the "Christian" right devoutly worships money. They have just convinced themselves otherwise.

"Let him die" shouted someone at a Republican debate. I just dont see Jesus saying that.

August 13, 2012 at 9:20 p.m.

Do you ever notice that conservative focuses on attacks and demonizing others?

Oh yes, we do. I wonder what that says about you.

I'm sure you've come up with some justification for it.

August 13, 2012 at 11:24 p.m.
fairmon said...

Easy123 said... Joneses,

Tell us all how "our money" is being wasted.

Easy I agree all the rhetoric over the comment of you didn't build that, the first families vacations, the presidents time on the golf course etc. are ridiculous distractions. But, governments, especially the federal government, are inefficient, wasteful with many unnecessary non value adding positions. Solyndra is one good example and there are many others where the government tries to fill the role of venture capitalist. The wastefulness in government is not an Obama phenomena but he has not done anything to curtail it.

Instead of being too big to fail the government has gotten so big it is destined to fail. The government is so big no one can know what is going on (see the GSA boondoggle) or monitor and manage it effectively. Congress has abdicated their responsibility to control and know what is being spent by empowering various agencies and departments to make spending decisions without approval. Most government positions are over paid, under worked and terribly inefficient with performance not measured by meaningful criteria.

August 15, 2012 at 6:49 a.m.
jesse said...

Harp! IMO, we started down this road w/ the great society and the war on poverty! The govt. cannot cure poverty!It can only institutionalize it , make it part of the normal!! Actually i see no hope! we are wedded to the road we are on and are destined to follow it to the abyss!

August 15, 2012 at 3:57 p.m.
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