published Wednesday, August 15th, 2012

'Guns level playing field' and more Letters to the Editors

Guns level playing field

David Cook's column "The case of Treason against the NRA" (Aug. 8) represents a fanciful, pitiful and unrealistic view. The author justifies his position by cherry picking low-probability statistics of an incident. His continued rambling rant includes "carrying a weapon to prevent a mass shooting is delusional." Tell that to the families and victims in the theater in Aurora, Colo. Tell that to the families of the famous Luby's Cafeteria massacre in Killeen, Texas. Don't forget about Virginia Tech. How is restrictive gun law in Chicago working this year?

Retired Marine Maj. L. Caudill in "The Gun Civilization" eloquently stated, "The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunken guys with baseball bats."

The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are over 360,000 concealed carry permit holders in Tennessee. This statistic alone should speak volumes to Mr. Cook.

ROBERT CHILDRESS

Sewanee, Tenn.


Black is the best choice for sheriff

Catoosa County needs a sheriff who is ready to lead the day he takes office. While we have two candidates in the Aug. 21 runoff, there is only one who has the education and background ready to take on this task: Larry Black.

Larry currently serves as the commander of the Drug Task Force for the Lookout Mountain Judicial District. He has over three decades of experience and has proven his ability by rising through the ranks.

Larry Black is the best choice for Catoosa County sheriff, and I am proud to offer my support.

DELLA TENNEY

Fort Oglethorpe


What has happened to our country?

"I pledge allegiance to the ...

What has happened to the pride of the great Red, White and Blue? What has happened to the pride in our freedom to speak up against the unjust and evil doing of our national leaders and our fellow citizens?

What has happened to our personal pride, as individuals, not to need support in the form of handouts, but are willingly there to help their neighbor in need? What has happened to the family?

What has happened to our country's belief "In God we trust"? What has happened to our freedom to say those words anywhere we want to say them without our government telling us we cannot say those words?

What has happened to the America I knew as a child? The United States of America is like the torn and tattered flags I have seen around this country. The flags are hung without true pride. The flags hang torn without concern. I remember when that flag could only be hung with perfection and pride, because it belonged to people in a country that stated itself "One Nation under God," not "One Nation under government!"

CAROL RASHID

Blairsville, Ga.


Chick-fil-A stands for convictions

I would like to kindly disagree that the Chick-fil-A debate is about corporate money. They are a very successful company; however, if it were all about money, why did Chick-fil-A make the decision at the very beginning not to open on Sundays? After all, that decreased their profits. But it was their conviction, and they stood by it at the cost of losing money!

If any of us had money to give to an organization, wouldn't we give to the causes we believed in? I can't imagine we would do otherwise. After all, wouldn't we "put our money where our mouth is"?

It takes courage to stand by your convictions, even though people will criticize you. It's so easy for people to judge someone because they don't agree with them. I would hope those who disagree would be considerate of those who stand for their convictions.

KARLEEN HOWE

Ooltewah


Choice is clear: Vote for Obama

Now that Mitt Romney has made his vice presidential pick, we have a clear choice as to who should be commander-in-chief and leader of the free world. My choice has been and will continue to be Barack Obama.

The Chattanooga Times editorial (Aug. 11), "Romney's taxes, billionaires" said it best. "Despite his long and notorious record of political flip-flops, one thing we can say with certainty about Mitt Romney is that he has unbelievable Chutzpah." He will not release his income tax records (one exception, 2010 filing).

How is it that a person can come to the public asking them to give him a job, but will not disclose information that will help evaluate the person for the job? Mitt Romney says he has nothing to hide, then why not prove it by releasing the tax records so the people can decide?

Rather than release the tax records, Romney tries to shift the political focus by making deceitful welfare charges about the president. In the welfare ad about waivers the president has yet to issue, Romney lies outright.

So the choice for the American people is clearer. Vote in November to re-elect President Barack Obama!

JAMES WALTON,

Member, National Grassroots Fundraising Committee

Hixson


Fort Wood needs to add 'fringe' area

I have been following the recent issue that has come up in Fort Wood, i.e., should the "lesser" houses on Oak Street and what's left of East 5th Street be included within the neighborhood association's boundary lines. This is quibbling over a minor point.

The state of Tennessee can at any time use its power of eminent domain and money permitting, take over the entire neighborhood if it so chooses. So-called gentrification, very fashionable in the '80s and early '90s, quickly ran its course when many of the urban pioneers settling in these areas discovered the areas had high crime rates, no off-street parking and resale values of homes that were far below what was originally projected. These residents should be welcoming the "fringe areas," not rejecting them, as there isn't near the demand for homes in these areas as there once was, and when UTC encroaches on the area, which they eventually will, all these people will have to relocate anyway.

C. MICHAEL HYDER

Dalton, Ga.


Vote for Headrick to support ACA

Thanks for the Aug. 5 Times editorial describing the benefits of the Affordable Health Act (ACA). My favorite four ACA requirements are:

  1. Insurance companies have to spend at least 80 percent of their income from premiums on medical care instead of, for example, profits and TV ads. Prior to ACA, BlueCross BlueShield failed to meet the 80 percent threshold and is now refunding $8.6 million to Tennessee policy holders.

  2. Insurance companies have to cover people with pre-existing conditions, children now and everybody by 2014.

  3. Prevents insurance companies from ever again canceling insurance when people get sick. (How in the world did they ever get away with doing that?)

  4. ACA also gradually closes the "doughnut hole," which senior citizens know all about.

Mary Headrick, M.D., Democratic candidate for the U. S. House of Representatives, supports the ACA with its wide range of benefits for Americans. She will fight to make sure all citizens can get and keep affordable health insurance.

Rep. Chuck Fleischmann? He brags about voting several times to kill ACA. Who would that benefit?

Vote for Mary. Protect your health, and your children's health. Send Mary to the House.

HORACE BARKER

Hixson


Red states cutting their own throats

If you dig into it, you'll find that the red states get more back from the federal government than we send in. For every dollar we pay in federal income tax, individual and business, we get about a dollar and a quarter in return. The blue states are the ones that are financing our country, as they get less than a dollar returned for each dollar they pay in. Yet it's the red states that are clamoring to reduce federal spending. So, isn't it logical that if federal aid to states is cut, it will hurt red states first and hardest?

Is it possible that the hatred within the tea party and Republican Party for minorities in general and the black man in the White House in particular makes them willing to cut their own throats? Returning to the Clinton-era tax rates might not solve all of our problems, but it would be a good start. If you have a quarter of a million dollars in yearly taxable income but are struggling, an adjustment in lifestyle might be in order. And if you do have that much yearly taxable income and are looking for sympathy, consult your Webster's. It's under "S."

ALLAN BAGGETT

Trion, Ga.


Deffenbaugh gets ex-foe's backing

The recent Georgia primary election on July 31 was very close between John Deffenbaugh, Alan Painter and me, with all of us finishing within a few percentage points. John Deffenbaugh and I ran a similar campaign, both wanting to avoid wasteful spending, not to raise taxes, favoring the right to own and bear arms, and caring about an economy that provides jobs for all. John and I are members of different churches but share our faith in God.

As the citizens of Dade and Walker counties approach a runoff election for District 1 House of Representatives, I ask my supporters to join me in voting for John Deffenbaugh on Aug. 21.

MIKE NOWLIN

Chickamauga, Ga.

Cook column shows courage***

One of the great problems affecting our nation today is the lack of courage on the part of the majority to speak out against extremism, whether it be political partisanship, bigotry against homosexuals, intolerance of different religious beliefs, or other types of fear mongering. We've become inured to positions and actions that have moved far away from ordinary differences of opinion.

David Cook's column (Aug. 8) declaring the NRA treasonous is one of the bravest acts I've witnessed in a long time. I won't be surprised if the paper is filled with letters to the editor attacking Cook. But I believe the "silent majority" were nodding their heads when reading his column.

I wish more folks had the courage to boldly oppose our society's growing extremism and say "no more." Thank you, David Cook, for taking your brave stand.

MARY LEE RICE


Why did judge dismiss cases?

I was concerned with the news of Walker County State Judge Bruce Roberts' dismissal of 53 cases, for no apparent reason, and what he called a "spur of the moment decision." Judges are allowed to throw out cases for good reason, but the wholesale dismissal of 53 cases, where lawbreakers were ready to plead guilty and pay their fines, is unfair to the citizens of Walker County.

Considering he just lost his re-election bid, one must wonder if he did this out of spite. All Walker taxpayers should be concerned. Roberts already has dismissed cases or failed to levy fines at an historic level, and has the court revenue behind by close to a quarter-million dollars.

If he continues his mismanagement through Dec.. 31, court revenues could be down by about $750,000. The revenue shortages will be made up by the taxpayers.

Local taxpayers, and all elected officials of Walker County, should demand an investigation by the state. I personally think he should resign immediately. His resignation, or removal, is the only way Walker County taxpayers will keep from paying a $750,000 revenue shortage through property-tax hikes.

BILL MURROW

Rossville, Ga.

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

'What has happened to our country?'

A powerful question!

To begin at the beginning to give the answer one must go to the Holy Scriptures of The Bible.

Genesis1-1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Many people have discovered that the greatest solution is to go

back to the beginning. 'Back to the drawing board'. This is where

solutions are so often found. 'Where did I/We go wrong'? Trace our

steps back to the beginning. Our nation began leaving Jesus Christ

out of our lives. This is the beginning of U.S. sorrows. Now, Jesus is

calling us back to His Cross of Calvary where He shed His life's blood for us all.

This can be all of our new beginnings, to return to Jesus who says,

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and

the last."

Ken ORR

beginning.

August 15, 2012 at 2:02 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

'Chick-fil-A stands for convictions'

You are so on target...so right! Individuals who have chosen the homosexual lifestyle have a right of inclusion. They are human beings who need acceptance and love as humans.

It is because of the many dangers associated with their chosen lifestyle that Chic-Fil-A, and, the extreme majority of the world takes a stand against them.

Why would healthy thinking folks want to encourage their loved ones to enter into what some have called 'The Culture of Death'? Examples are:

The overwhelming highest per-capita rate of HIV/AIDS.

The highest per-capita death rate due to HIV/AIDS (and associated STD's). [Reference: CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL [CDC] (CDC.GOV URL)

Up to three times the suicide and suicidal ideation rate:

(15-24 yrs. olds) [Reference: Suicide Prevention Resource Center Education Development Center, Inc. 55 Chapel Street Newton MA 02458 877-GET-SPRC (438-7772) www.sprc.org ]

Cost to innocent U.S. Citizen taxpayers: $20.4 billion for domestic HIV and AIDS, a 4% increase from the fiscal year 2010 funding, which totaled $19.6 billion. Of this, 69 percent is for treatment, 13 percent for cash and housing assistance,and 4 percent for prevention. Mostly from Medicare/Medicaid. Entitlement. Lifestyle Choice. Why should we not take a stand with Chic-Fil-A?

http://youtu.be/sKSO6A3dnbE

Ken ORR

August 15, 2012 at 2:39 a.m.
Livn4life said...

It would be funny, if it did not once again expose the hyprocrisy of the media. "Mitt Romney won't release his tax records." So we hear the leftist outcry. Where was the outcry when Barack Hussein Obama would not produce his birth certificate and was derided about it? Oh those deriding had no right to see evidence of the American citizenship of the elected President. They then became the derided. How about the sealing of Mr. Obama's college records? Oh yeah that's nobody's business, blah blah blah. What is he hiding? But never mind when the leftist media keeps inflamed their agenda, many will blindly follow. Finally, if Obama is such a great choice for President, show me a)what has really been done to make this a better country, b)convince me he will do anything different in a second term...... I can hardly wait for the deluded responses. On second thought, I won't even read any if any show up.

August 15, 2012 at 7:07 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

L4L, no other presidential candidate was asked to produce his birth certificate. The reason Obama was asked is because he is black and Hussein is his middle name. Even now, with all the evidence to the fact that he is US born, people still don't believe it. All candidates are asked to release multiple years in task returns; even Romney's father did.

Ken Orr, your messages have not changed. I am convinced that you are truly nuts.

To Ms. Rashid: "In God We Trust" and "One Nation Under God" were added to pledge and currency during the red scare in the 50's. The neighborhood of your childhood may have been filled with people that look, think and worship just like you. But the US has always been a diverse country, and some of us want that diversity to be respected. Out of fear we have shifted to a "us and them" mentality, and we need to recognize that out of fear we have demanded to impose our sectarian beliefs on all.

I agree that government should not be the answer, and should not be worshiped instead of the god of your choice, but a truly free country is messy and diverse, with people that disagree on lots of things. If we lose that freedom out of fear of the other, we lose everything.

August 15, 2012 at 8:16 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

lkeithlu,

It's become apparent from the above remarks and his continual rantings on the TFP and other forums that Mr. Orr is seriously mentally ill. At first I thought he was just a religious nutter (crazy thumper regardless of their chosen deity), but from his many responses and self-contradictions, I'm convinced he has mental problems.

I thought he might be like a boxing opponent with one arm. Yet with his continued mental issues, all raised by him in his posts, I'm not sure he's even in the boxing arena.

That doesn't make him less dangerous though. He appears in the same league as other severely mentally ill fanatics such as Andrea Yates, Jared Loughner, and Wade Michael Page.

Rarely have I seen such bizarre rantings as from Mr. Orr. I hope he's on the Homeland Security watch-list. Not because he's a self-proclaimed christian, but because of his mental fixations, self-delusions, and inability to hold to any semblance of rationality in his own writings.

C.S. Lewis, while I do disagree with him on many things, offered rational and coherent Christian apologetic thought. One could talk with Mr. Lewis, have a strong disagreement on religion, and still know that Mr. Lewis was a decent and sane man. One could learn much from Mr. Lewis without subscribing to his religious beliefs. I certainly have.

On the other hand, Mr. Orr offers his own indivisible self/god concepts as religious facts. He is mentally deranged and probably has been for many years. Religion has a way of doing that for those who have serious problems separating reality from fantasy. Mental institutions are full of such people.

I am not a medical doctor and these are my opinions, but I have dealt with such individuals before and Mr. Orr fits a pattern of severe mental illness and poses a high degree of danger to others.

I am choosing to no longer respond to Mr. Orr. It's unnecessary as his own posts prove him unstable and delusional. The more he writes, the deeper he recedes into a mental black hole.

I always welcome spirited debate and opposing opinions; that how I learn. But Mr. Orr offers neither and I will not entertain his psychological breakdown any further.

August 15, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Conclusion:

Some individuals cannot abstain from name-calling due to their

lack of intellectual defenses, otherwise. [and lack of

vocabulary]. These same folks do not

have a higher power of perception because they do not acknowledge

the unseen powers within existence. (The Holy Bible declares at

least three times that we serve The Invisible God). This is

precisely why Jehovah, The Lord God of Hosts, came to earth as

Jesus Christ. So, in the flesh, we could once again 'see' the

otherwise 'unseen'. Also, He (God) allowed us to identify more with

Him this way. All of what we see in the universe/material world

is composed of 'unseen' elements {or, waves}...everything!

This is not to disparage these individuals,

no more than I would disparage the mentally retarded. It is no

shame to be less equipped intellectually. I do hope that for those

on this site, and, others, that they will embrace the definition

of 'ignorance'. Please view this definition:

Ignorance=The condition of not knowing what You do not know'. "There is nothing wrong with that!"

Ken ORR

August 15, 2012 at 11:07 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

Speaking of ignorance. "Jehovah" isn't a word. It's a mistranslation of the word YHWH or Yahweh (in English).

"These same folks do not have a higher power of perception because they do not acknowledge the unseen powers within existence."

I think everyone acknowledges these "unseen powers within existence" if you are speaking about things like gravity, electromagnetism, etc.. It's your immoral god that some people here don't believe in. Probably because, unlike gravity, your god hasn't been proven to exist.

"All of what we see in the universe/material world is composed of 'unseen' elements {or, waves}...everything!"

This is a kindergarden explanation of how light works. Things are made up of matter/molecules/atoms. We can see them because the sun reflects light off of them and those light waves reach our eyes. But we actually can see these waves using different instruments, etc.

"It is no shame to be less equipped intellectually."

You would know best, Ken.

"I do hope that for those on this site, and, others, that they will embrace the definition of 'ignorance'."

You should take your own advice.

August 15, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123, Did You just find out about YHWH? A few decades behind, aren't You?

Tell me about the Higgs Boson. Jesus Christ is The Only explanation

of how matter/mass became attached to photons. Even Einstein had it

wrong, presuming that energy had to include mass. [E=MC2]. You will

find Yourself totally embarrassed and out of Your league to debate

quantum physics/mechanics with me. I assure You of this. This is

not

arrogance/bragging...just fact. I may decide to send You some

credentials later on!..kwo (Jesus said, John 8:12)

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, "I am the light of the world: he that followeth Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Ken ORR

August 15, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION: Addendum:

Saint John 3:18 Jesus Said, "He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he

that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not

believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this

is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men

loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh

to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that

doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made

manifest, that they are wrought in God."

August 15, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Did You just find out about YHWH? A few decades behind, aren't You?"

I've known it for a while. That's why I don't use the word. Why is it that you are using it if you knew about it? Do you enjoy using false names for your god? Or is that just your nickname for your deity?

"Tell me about the Higgs Boson."

What would you like to know?

"Jesus Christ is The Only explanation of how matter/mass became attached to photons."

I'd love to see you attempt to make a logical connection between the two and then prove it through scientific experimentation. Please, proceed with proving that "Jesus Christ" had any part in this.

"Even Einstein had it wrong, presuming that energy had to include mass."

No, he didn't have it wrong. They don't even know whether this is actually Higgs Boson. It's been said to be a Higgs Boson-like particle. However, the Standard Model uses Einstein's theory of relativity. The Higgs Boson works within Einstein's theory. Heck, they had to use Einstein's theory to collide the particles in order to create this Higgs Boson-like particle.

"You will find Yourself totally embarrassed and out of Your league to debate quantum physics/mechanics with me. I assure You of this."

I will not find myself embarrassed or out of my league in any debate with you. I assure you of that.

"This is not arrogance/bragging...just fact. I may decide to send You some credentials later on!"

It's not a fact. I do not care what your credentials are. If you would like to debate, bring it on.

August 15, 2012 at 12:47 p.m.
Easy123 said...

CONCLUSION: Addendum:

Ezekiel 23:19-20

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12

11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Matthew 10:34-37

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law — 36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. 37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

August 15, 2012 at 12:56 p.m.
cornponesally said...

Ken Orr brings to mind one of my favorite move lines from a great movie, Time Bandits: "You are so blissfully free from the ravages of intelligence"

August 15, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
gatekeeper said...

Vote for Obama??? As Barney Frank once said, What table have you been hiding under? To many of us, the choice is not as clear as you would have us believe. Obama is a politician like all others. What makes him special is his ability to talk people into doing whats bad for this country. He has been dishonest, deceiptful, non-partisan, and his administration has been non- transparent. But the worse thing about him as his cohorts is his push towards socialism. Many things can be overlooked but his left leaning policies will make it impossible for me to vote for him and for that matter any democrat as they have given him free rein to do as he pleases. Good luck with this election. Gatekeeper

August 15, 2012 at 2:30 p.m.

ROBERT CHILDRESS, and yet a gun gives the people who least value the lives of others the capacity to take even more of it.

Some equality there.

CAROL RASHID, people like you started using g those things to abuse and mistreat people. I'm sure you would require religious tests if you could. You probably don't like how you are being criticized, that's why you are upset that some people don't want to be under YOUR God.

KARLEEN HOWE, it's easy for many people to have convictions, to be determined and willful. If you don't have any idea how much harm has been caused by such things, I ask you to look at history.

In this case, Chik-Fil-A was not doing something like closing itself on Sundays, but actively seeking to change the laws for their way. Can you not tell the difference? Can you not recognize that the company was seeking to make the rest of us follow their intolerance and discrimination?

ALLAN BAGGETT, don't worry, they'll just cut the money going to the blue states more.

Livn4life, the only hypocrisy being exposed is yours. As is typical of the right wing you try to blame the media and liberals with a manufactured claim, but what we see is your lies. See the media actually gave too much credit to the birthers, to the point where instead of being ridiculed as a farce, it was given daily coverage. And even when it did happen, you know what the birthers did? Kept insisting it was still a fraud with debunked claims about layers or a book biography.

But you keep bringing it up, as if it were legitimate, and expect the rest of us to buy it. Maybe you're lying to yourself, i don't know, but either way, your very attempts show why you have no credibility.

Go ahead though, keep defending Mitt Romney's secrecy with such transparent lies.

You're right you won't read anything, you'll just close your own eyes while rant I g at the top of your lugfs that it is others who don't see the truth.

August 15, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Karleen Howe...Yes, isn't it an admirable quality - having the courage to stand for one's convictions of being a bigot? It is fine if Mr.Cathy wants to publicly state his narrow-minded, bigoted, Bible-based convictions. He has every right to do so. And I and every other person who disagrees with him have every right to never again patronize his fast-food establishment - not that it will be much of a sacrifice, to never again eat his mediocre chicken meals. If he is so willing to put his mouth where his money is, then he must be willing to suffer the consequences of those who will make a stand against his "convictions."

August 15, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123,

Majestic Theologians, and, Scholars of every ilk would be highly insulted by You, me, or, anyone else who scoffed at their using the Word 'Jehovah'. We, I believe, would be considered intellectually dull in comparison to these great ones who often use the Word 'Jehovah'. Please reconsider Your criticism/objection of Your earlier comment on this thread. You stated Easy123, and, I quote You, "Jehovah" isn't a word..." Maybe the Merriam-Webster experts are also wrong:

Je·ho·vah /ʤɪˈhoʊvə/ noun [singular] — used as the name of God in the Old Testament of the Bible.

A word to the wise.......kwo

Oh, in other words, "Who do You 'think' You are?"...kwo

August 15, 2012 at 3:50 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ken Orr, you Bible literalists like to say we atheists/agnostics/infidels/non-believers hate, mock,or belittle your God. But the fact is it's impossible to hate anything or anyone that does not exist, or that exists only in your imagination. Speaking for myself, I do not hate what I do not know to exist. But the type of God that you worship is one that is so despicable that it (he) deserves to be scorned and rebuked. To reduce God to a gendered, two-dimensional character, as one who sits in judgment and demands to be worshiped and loved and then to eternally damn to hell anyone who dares to believe outside the little theological box of his choosing....well, that sort of God deserves to be scorned and mocked.

However strong your faith might be, KWO, in just such a God, I guarantee you that my faith is just as strong - probably even stronger, given that my faith does not fly in the face of reason, as yours does - that whoever or whatever entity lies at the core of the universe, it/she/he is not the sort of God you envisage. I do not know what awaits me, if anything, when I die, but I am not the least bit fearful of going to hell for the mere "sin" of being a non-believer, because the hell and the condemning God you speak so frequently of do not exist, exept within the confines of your narrow, delusional mind.

August 15, 2012 at 5:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"Jehovah" is a mistranslation. Plain and simple. It is not the name of your god.

http://www.yhwh.com/asimple.htm

http://www.bibleprofessor.com/files/Jehovah.pdf

August 15, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Orr: 4 bible passesges

Are those the credentials you said you would offer, that give you an edge in discussion cosmology and particle physics?

August 15, 2012 at 6:16 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Easy123, So much is often lost in translation, and, interpretation of names, titles, ideas, concepts, words in general! I know that if You will go back to the Red Letters of The Holy Bible Jesus Christ will speak to You clearly. He doesn't let go of His Children easily.....kwo

August 15, 2012 at 11:14 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

No lkeithlu, but, they are greater than what I have in, and, of myself. I don't know if I want to put too much out there right now. I am still thinking about it, though.

Easy123 is right, the Higgs Boson has not been discovered by Hawkins, nor, anyone else. They would have to change the words from 'Higgs Boson', to, Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:16

"For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:..."

Colossians 1:17

"And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist" = (are held together)."

The question needing answered is, 'How in the world did matter/mass get attached to Light?' 'They' are looking for the Higgs Boson to explain this. Only the Holy Scriptures can explain it.

1 John 1:5

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

John 8:12

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

August 15, 2012 at 11:37 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Curious, Ken Orr: What is your understanding of the significance of the Higgs? How old is the universe? Do you understand the four forces and how they relate? Please use science, not the bible-the physicists doing the work don't use the bible.

August 16, 2012 at 8:20 a.m.
dao1980 said...

I think Ken's got his strong force permanently stuck in his weak force...

August 16, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

The Universe, indeed, the earth itself may be of an infinitely incalculable age. When satan ruled the earth, the answer was probably the same...incalculable! Physicists, astronomers, scientists do not, can not know the age of the universe. I personally would estimate the universe to be somewhere around a googolplex, or, Graham's number old. (of course, i don't claim to know its age, either.). The earth of Adam and Eve's time is probably around 6,000 years old. As stated above, the age of the universe is somewhere around a googolplex, or, Graham's number old. satan ruled over what some may call prehistoric man during his reign on earth. I know, You asked me to not utilize Holy Scripture, but, science [so called] has not yet 'caught up' with Holy Scripture.

dao1980, You are cool with me! I have very much enjoyed/appreciated Your cyber-interactions. Let's continue to celebrate life! And truly, some way, we have to thank the Times Free Press for this opportunity they've provided. (This Venue/Forum). The Times Free Press is indeed, indisputably about First Amendment Rights.

Ken ORR

August 17, 2012 at 3:44 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

My understanding of the significance of the Higgs? Mainly, discovery of the Higgs Boson would allow atheists [so called] to think they have more reason to deny the faith of Christianity. They could say, 'Something...came from Nothing'. Would that 'Nothing' then, become their god?

Oh, lkeithlu, the four forces and how they relate? The reason i didn't address that is because the information is too easily accessible. It is just one click to one encyclopedia away! What i did address is not easily discovered info. I hope some interest will be generated by my answer on the age of our universe.

August 17, 2012 at 4:03 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken Orr, you have a lot a science to learn. I'm not sure you understand the significance at all. It has nothing to do with god; the press naming it the God Particle does not make it so. And yes, science can determine the age of the universe and of the solar system and earth pretty well. 1.0 X 10^100 years? That's WAY off. And shrugging off the four fundamental forces because it is "one click to one encyclopedia away" is a cop out. Since you are bringing up the Higgs, it is fair to expect you to explain how it relates to these forces.

August 17, 2012 at 7:04 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Why Jeffery Dahmer was a Cannibal.--It's in the Bible!

"Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers; and I will execute judgments in thee, and the whole remnant of thee will I scatter into all the winds." Ezekial 5:10

Read Your Bible! It's more fun than a barrel of burning heretics.

August 17, 2012 at 7:27 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu, Age of universe = Between, or, somewhere around a googolplex, or, Graham's number old....... By-the-way, i am not good in math, I've struggled trying to solve even very simplistic theorems...kwo

You might also like 'Kruskal's tree theorem'...ken

August 17, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Nope-try again. And please include an explanation (layman's) of the Higgs Boson and the four fundamental forces.

August 17, 2012 at 8:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

Age of the Universe: 13.75 ± 0.11 billion years

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_age.html

"The time it would take to write such a number also renders the task implausible: if a person can write two digits per second, it would take around about 1.51×1092 years, which is about 1.1×1082 times the age of the universe, to write a googolplex."

I though you said I would find myself embarrassed in a debate about these things with you? Are you that delusional? Because everything you have said thus far is moronic and completely false.

August 18, 2012 at 3:47 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

One major flaw in Your, and, http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/uni_age.html explanation/guestimation for the age of the universe...that flaw is...Nobody, nobody, nobody knows where the universe begins! This is because (my exclusive thoughts and words, only my truest beliefs)singularity is like a seed. The secret to the fragrance, and, beauty of the flower lies in the tiny seed. To be certain a seed is not a flower, but, all that the flower could be is contained within the seed. Why is the seed there, and, why did the flower come into being? I don't know. Did the seed/flower come from nothing? Yes, if one is an atheist (so called). Easy123, the universe was already within the infinitesimally small singularity. There is no known numerical value that can be assigned the age of this phenomenon. My answer stands. Yours has to fall. From where did singularity originate? Hint: Read all of my...Jesus Christ's...Holy Scriptures above regarding this thread. Peace to You, Easy123!

Ken ORR

August 21, 2012 at 8:44 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu,

May I, with Your indulgence, please take a little more time to answer: "...an explanation (layman's) of the Higgs Boson and the four fundamental forces." This is further than I have thought about regarding the H/B. I do want my thoughts/words to be absolutely original...that takes some time when You throw something like this out to me...kwo

August 21, 2012 at 8:48 p.m.
dao1980 said...

It's just so dern easy to say "I don't know" with contentment, and not continue your investigation as it leads from physics to genetics and biology..

Your emotion-o-babble doesn't adequately fill the void left by your vague blanket-questions.

I blame your lack of understanding on intellectual laziness.

August 22, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Wow! dao1980. I am tired right now. I will just give You my 'Thanks' for a good excuse to rest. I've been debating with too, too, many people. I'm tired right now, so, I'm taking a rest for a while.......Peace, Ken

August 24, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.
rolando said...

This sitting President is and was not the only usurper to hold the office, lkeithlu. There was one other who for a number of years successfully hid HIS not being a natural-born US citizen.

And race, then as now, hasn't and hadn't jacks--t to do with it.

August 28, 2012 at 7:53 a.m.
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