published Wednesday, August 15th, 2012

The Running Mate

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

Must be Gaffe Master Biden doing the painting.

August 15, 2012 at 12:08 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Hard to imagine lampooning Ryan when Biden roams the earth.

August 15, 2012 at 12:17 a.m.

Obama and Biden, THE dumbest duo to ever be in charge. Biden is mentally unstable.

August 15, 2012 at 12:18 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Rudy Giuliani on Joe "Bad Plugs" Biden: He's never been bright. ... People think well, he just talks a little bit too much. Actually, he's just not very smart'

August 15, 2012 at 12:30 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Bump! Bump! Bump! Another swing State for Oblamea bites the dust! Bump! Bump! Bump! “On Wisconsin, On Wisconsin, grand old Badger State!” We have Gov. Scott Walker (R), Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch (R), Sen. Ron Johnson (R), the chair of the Republican Party Reice Priebus, and future Senator Tommy Thompson (R) (Our past long term Governor), and now our Rep. Paul Ryan (R), will be the Vice President of the United States on Clay’s and my birthday on January 20, 2013. (Our State also has the reining MVP’s Ryan Braun, (baseball), Aaron Rodgers (football), the Green Bay Packers, the Wisconsin Badgers, and the Milwaukee Brewers. I bet a lot of Tennessee’s Conservatives would like to move to Wisconsin if it had the weather of Tennessee.) Paul Ryan has that Kennedynest about him. Rep. Ryan is bright, informed, straight forward, intelligent, honest, trustworthy, does what he says he’ll do, and not afraid to put in a plan that will save this great Country of ours. This year Rep. Ryan had numerous town hall meeting throughout the State to explain his plan. They were all over flow crowds with the majority of them senior and baby boomer citizens. He would walk out to great applause and then he would ask how many people here are 55 and older? Numerous people would raise their hands. He then would tell them that Medicare would not change for them, period. That calmed the crowd right off the bat. He then, in great detail how he can save Medicare. Now he will go across the Country and explain his Medicare plan which does not push Granny off of the cliff, (the senior citizens will calm down knowing that they will have their Medicare for the rest of their lives, and then support the Ryan plan because they love their children and grandchildren), and his other plans to save our Country. I bet Oblamea, the DNC Chair Woman (sharp as a marble) Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and VP “Bite Me/Plugs” and everyone’s favorite person David Axelrod, must all have said, “Oh Oh” when they heard of the Ryan choice. Especially “Bite Me/Plugs” because of a future debate with Rep. Paul Ryan. Great, great choice Mitt.

Reice Priebus knows that Oblamea can’t run on his record, so all the DNC can do is attack. Priebus’s plan is to forcefully respond to the negative statement and then inform the people of the plans of Romney/Ryan have to offer. Then ask Oblamea and the DNC what their plan is. The Hope & Change plan did not work. Medicare will go bankrupt in 2024 and the majority of the Country now knows this. The person who is destroying Medicare is Oblamea, because he took over 7 billion dollars from Medicare to help support OblameaCare.

August 15, 2012 at 12:33 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Cont' VP picks usually don’t matter but the pick of Ryan does for the above reasons. R&R want this country to be the way our forefathers founded it. Oblamea will be forced to explain why this is bad. They will be forced to debate with Ryan. Medicare is the number one cost. You watch after January 20th. The stock market will go up because the owners of businesses will begin to hire, the unemployment rate will go down. Bump, Bump, Bump, will happen again in November.

August 15, 2012 at 12:36 a.m.
jazzman said...

Ryan is but one of many republicans who took exception to 'the stimulus'., but actively sought money to create jobs in their home districts and then took credit for creating jobs with the money they voted against., as well as continuing to claim that the 'stimulus' didn't create jobs.

'In 2009, as Rep. Paul D. Ryan was railing against President Obama’s $787 billion stimulus package as a “wasteful spending spree,” he wrote at least four letters to Obama’s secretary of energy asking that millions of dollars from the program be granted to a pair of Wisconsin conservation groups.

'Ryan’s letters to the energy secretary praising the energy initiatives as he sought a portion of the funding are in sharp contrast to the House Budget Committee chairman’s image as a Tea Party favorite adamantly opposed to federal spending on such programs.'

'Other departures from the small-government orthodoxy and fiscal conservatism by Ryan include his support of Bush’s Medicare prescription drug program, the TARP bailout of Wall Street, and the auto bailout., as well as unfunded wars and unfunded Bush tax cuts.' Certainly a far cry from his reputation as a "deficit hawk".

Ryan is also a typical fringe winger re: womens reproductive decisions., supporting 'personhood', extreme anti abortion, and amazingly, a federal version of a forced ultrasound bill.

On top of that right-wing craziness, Ryan claims Ayn Rand' books changed his life, “the reason I got into public service.” ( he's since run away from his previous statements about Rand )

The right-wing and it's fringe associates extol the virtues of Rand's books and philosophy, and to a great extent Rand is THE right-wing mantra. There is a lot in 'her world', that they conveniently never mention, or simple don't bother to know., (which is the most likely case).

Rand said that 'policies motivated by 'christian values', which she called “the best kindergarten of communism possible,” were inherently corrupt.

Republicans, conservatives along with various manifestations of the T-peoples all have missed one of Rand's main themes in her fictional works and other articles, that being..'individuals must be free from government interference in their personal lives'.

Ryan may well be the 'most intellectual and intelligent' republican, but that's not saying much considering the current crop of folks who call themselves republicans.

August 15, 2012 at 1:21 a.m.
blackwater48 said...


Seriously, are these two clowns the best republicans can come up with?

Romney is running for president on a platform to lower the tax rate paid by rich people like him. That's it. Thats all we know for sure. He's taken multiple policy positions on multiple occasions so who really knows? In past elections he's gleefully told voters whatever he thought would to get their votes. Why else would he promise to be a stronger advocate for gay rights than Ted Kennedy? Why else would he insist that Roe v. Wade remain the law of the land?

When Romney was seeking the senate seat from Massachusetts, Kennedy said in their debate, I am pro choice. My opponent is multiple choice.

Mitt gave a speech in Israel a few weeks back that got him into hot water. He said Palestinians were poor and Israelis were rich because of their cultural differences. The next day he claimed he was misunderstood or taken out of context or denied it ever happened or something. (What speech?) And the NEXT day his op-ed piece appeared in the NY Times doubling down on his original 'cultural differences' speech. I heard someone suggest that in the future this particular political maneuver should be known the Triple Romney.

This is not an isolated incident. How does a voter take him seriously?

Ryan agrees that trickle down fairy dust is the key to prosperity, but Paul brings something a little more edgy to the ticket.


Ryan co-sponsored a bill in the House this year - I believe it was HR 212 - which would extend citizenship to fertilized eggs, which would outlaw abortion without exceptions. If you get knocked up by a rapists or your daddy just consider it a gift from god. Doctors who perform abortions would get tossed in jail. Oh, and most birth control would be outlawed, too.

He also supports HR 3805 which mandates that every woman seeking an abortion receive a trans-vaginal probe ultra sound. Where's the uproar over government over reach?

Willard Romney is a buffoon who seems harmlessly goofy enough.

Paul Ryan, on the other hand, is bat crap crazy and one of the last people in the world who should access to executive authority.

August 15, 2012 at 2:47 a.m.
alprova said...

Proof to back up Blackwater48's post:

Paul Ryan not only supports HR 3805, he is a co-sponsor of the Ultrasound Informed Consent Act.

August 15, 2012 at 3:50 a.m.
joneses said...

Why is it that Hussein Obama never tells us what he wants to move the country "forward" to? Why is it that Hussein Obama is not running on his dismal record? The answer to both of these questions come from his book "Dreams from my Father". It is fact that Hussein Obama's father was a communist. So it stand to reason Hussein Obama views "forward" as complete government control of every aspect of business and peoples lives. He has proven this with the government take over of the greatest health care system in the world and his continued attack on businesses through the radical activist EPA. He is also proving this with his constant hate speech aimed a dividing this country into poor versus wealthy and black versus white. if you want more division, hate, high unemployment, and poverty then Hussein Obama is who you should support.

August 15, 2012 at 4:45 a.m.
EaTn said...

Washington is full of bright, intelligent and capable folks who choose personal, partisan and uncomprimised gain over the good of the country.

August 15, 2012 at 6:02 a.m.
joneses said...

The national debt clock is now at 15.9 trillion dollars. Hussein Obama has added almost 6 trillion dollars to the debt after promising to cut the debt in half. So it stands to reason if you think another 6 trillion dollars added to the debt for a total of 22 trillion dollars of debt if Hussein Obama is reelected is healthy for America then you need to vote for Hussein Obama. Hussein Obama has increased the debt about 27 times faster than any other time in the nations history. Hussein Obama still refuses to talk about the debt or offer any solutions.

On Feb. 1, 2009, newly elected President Obama told Matt Lauer of the Today Show that: “Look, I’m at the start of my administration. One nice thing about the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable.” Obama went on to say: “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”

I think it time we held him accountable and move him out of the White House.

August 15, 2012 at 6:15 a.m.
degage said...

Obama is in full community organizer mode. Or should I say community insiting mode, alinsky style, atack, atack, atack. Control,control ,control. And Biden is just being the idiot he has always been. Obama has a problem with getting rid of the hundreds of thousands of regulations he and his czars have put in place.

August 15, 2012 at 6:21 a.m.
Reardon said...

Clay -- where's your bi-monthly obligatory anti-Dem cartoon?

Plenty of opportunity:

-Obama saying I and every other business didn't build our businesses. -Wanting to do the same with all businesses as the Gov't did with GM. -Obama stating that we need to enter a new time of "shared prosperity" in our country.

Oh yeah -- Guess you couldn't lampoon Obama -- he does that enough on his own without any help.

August 15, 2012 at 6:21 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Since democrats vote alphabetically, that could could be Chip Forrester trying to get it right.

August 15, 2012 at 6:51 a.m.
EaTn said...

Reardon said... "Clay -- where's your bi-monthly obligatory anti-Dem cartoon?"

Yeah, we Dems would like our turn every now and then to take cheap shots at the toon.

August 15, 2012 at 6:58 a.m.
fairmon said...

Biden is a buffoon. Obama needs to replace him with Hillary or almost anyone that could keep their foot out of his mouth.

August 15, 2012 at 7:01 a.m.
mymy said...

83 Days to Go

Biden: Running Against Ryan is Like Running Against an Incumbent

Poor dumb Joe he lives in one of Obama's extra states: Confustion! Obama visit often!

August 15, 2012 at 7:51 a.m.
EaTn said...

Decisions, decisions. Do we vote for the current President/VP who's made some misques in speech and action, like unemployment still above 8% and a bailout that didn't live up to expectations, or do we vote for the opposition president/vp candidates who won't release their tax returns and who have a tax and spend policy to thrown part of the citizens under the bus while protecting the wealthy.

August 15, 2012 at 8:22 a.m.
EaTn said...

harp3339 said..."Biden is a buffoon. Obama needs to replace him with Hillary or almost anyone that could keep their foot out of his mouth."

Most presidents are over-loyal to the vp's. Had Bush trashed his VP the second term he may have regained some of his lost stature instead on going down as one of the worst presidents in our recent history.

August 15, 2012 at 8:34 a.m.
cactus said...

The painter is a public school graduate.

August 15, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
conservative said...

The loontoonist obviously sought advice from a Liberal "brain" trust.

August 15, 2012 at 8:58 a.m.
mymy said...

Poor Joe, he is lucky he is not a Republican. The media would not let him have a break like Biden.

"Mr. President, take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago," Romney said while campaigning in Ohio.


August 15, 2012 at 9 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

What Tooney? Still no positive cartoons about King Kenyan? Not even buying brews for the common man? Guess he still hasn't done enough to earn a lick from his lap dog.

August 15, 2012 at 9:04 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Think hard about it. Is it not scary as hayel that Joe Biden is a heart-beat away? I mean it's terrifying if you stop and ponder on it. Is it not?

August 15, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
blackwater48 said...


I am NOT voting for congressman vaginal probe.


I am NOT voting for congressman outlaw birth control.

When you can't defend tax hikes on working families, tax CUTS for the wealthy, and a bigger military budget you must attack.

August 15, 2012 at 10 a.m.
joneses said...

A Church very Few People Know About Everyone in the United States needs to see this;
Most especially our President, Congress, and Supreme Court Justices. ’Something we were never taught in school;
99 out of 100 people don't know this, do you?

August 15, 2012 at 10:04 a.m.
joneses said...

I find the hate, lies and dishonesty from the Hussein Obama campaign and his worshipers appalling. Hussein Obama, his campaign and his worshippers are absolutely classless and they show a lack of intellectualism. But what would one expect from Hussein Obama whose grades were barely good enough to graduate from college? Hussein Obama's grades must not be that good or else why would he not release them? Hussein Obama is a complete failure as a person and occupier of the White House and is an embarrassment to America.

August 15, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

ROMNEY WATCH a continuing series...

When Romney visited Israel recently he went out his way to praise their health care system. He pointed out that Israel only spends 8 percent of their GDP on health care but the U.S. spends 18 percent. And he marveled at how healthy everyone seemed to be.

Too bad he didn't notice that their health care system is heavily regulated by the government and everyone is required to carry insurance.

Gasp! An individual mandate! Double gasp! A single payer 'medicare for everyone' plan.

Romney vows to remove any vestige of government regulated health care insurance, which works so well in Israel, and return us to the old private insurance model because THIS TIME competition will control costs and improve services!! This time they won't drop you whenever they feel like it. Like when you get sick.

Yeah, that's exactly how it worked the last time.

What a buffoon.

August 15, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.
degage said...

I did know much of this but this was such a great reminder to those who want to completly take God out of the lives of everyone in this country. Our young people don't know these things because it is not allowed in the schools anymore. I did learn some of this in school but then I grew up in the days of prayer in school and history that hadn't been taken out of history books. God Bless America!

August 15, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
degage said...

My previous post was in answer to joneses link, Capital tour.

August 15, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
alprova said...

While all of the usual suspects are up in arms over "Obama's dismal record" and Joe Biden's recent remarks, not to mention Mr. Bennett's talking point of the day, it is not very hard to notice that these kind of comments are lacking in content that would make a little more sense in promoting your candidates of choice.

Where are the defenses of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan? Do you folks not realize that to respond with an attack on the President and the Vice President in response to the raising of the controversial issues surrounding both men campaigning for the two highest offices in the land, is a pathetic response?

There isn't one person who frequents this forum, who is not keenly aware of the people who dislike our current President, as well as those of us who support the current President.

The Conservative and Republican cheerleaders make it a point to remind us that any reference to the previous admininstration when the subject of the current administration is on the table, is an irrelevant means by which to argue points of contention.

The day is young, yet after perusing the first 26 comments in today's thread, I see not one comment of defense of Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan, or even a hint to the qualities of either men that prove that they are the better choices to assume leadership of this nation as it's two top representatives.

I laughed out loud at Mitt Romney's demand for the President "to take your campaign of division, anger, and hate back to Chicago," spoken at a campaign stop yesterday.

Is Mitt Romney's campaign without any points of division? At no time in the history of this nation, at least since I have been politically aware, has there ever been a Presidential candidate who has amassed a record making completely opposite statements of support on major issues during his political runs for office.

Can he or anyone else point to one instance where the President has displayed any hint of anger while campaigning?

And just who or what is it that the President is alleged to "hate?"

The Obama bashers continuously claim that the President cannot cmapaign on his record as President, yet I have yet to read or hear anything in the record of Mitt Romney that would lend any theory that he is a viable replacement.

Wasn't he a one-term Governor of Massachusetts? Of course, the story goes that he decided not to run again for a second term, in order to seek the Presidency in 2008, but what were his chances of reelection had he decided to run? I'll get back to everyone on that.

He's losing to the President in Massachusetts by 20 points in his homes state.

Maybe I have answered my own question already, and maybe I now have a clue as to why the Republican cheerleaders spend more time in attacking the President and now the Vice-President, rather than in promoting their candidates of choice.

August 15, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: And maybe you just love to hear yourself yammer.

August 15, 2012 at 10:59 a.m.
degage said...

Easy, Why is it you have to link all christians to westboro loonies. Real christians have a problem with westboro. they claim to be christians but that is a farse as far as the mainstream christians are concerned.

Have any of you noticed, all of the athiest on this site are ultra liberals? Where are the conservative athiest? Liberal athiest remind me of westboro, Intolreant .

August 15, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dagage is right on. Easy will reply that a. you're stupid, or b. say Prove it!

August 15, 2012 at 11:06 a.m.
EaTn said...

Easy said..."An example of why Christians need lobotomies."

I won't question the sincerity of these folks but I do question their logic. I didn't question Bush nor Obama on their claim as Christians, just question both of their logic on certain decisions.

August 15, 2012 at 11:21 a.m.
Easy123 said...


Why is it you have to link all christians to westboro loonies.

Why is it that Jack_Dennis has to link all atheists to those that didn't want the cross beam in the 9/11 Museum?

Real christians have a problem with westboro.

Why? They do what the Bible says.

they claim to be christians but that is a farse as far as the mainstream christians are concerned.

How can you tell whether they are Christians or not?

all of the athiest on this site are ultra liberals?

No, they aren't. Ikeithlu is one example of a more "moderate" liberal.

Liberal athiest remind me of westboro, Intolreant.

I'm not sure what "intolreant' means. But you're wrong. Exposing Christian intolerance isn't intolerance. Why should anyone be "tolerant" of Christian's hatred towards gays? Please explain that without using the Bible.

August 15, 2012 at 11:21 a.m.
Easy123 said...


So I can't cherry-pick Westboro Baptist folks but you can cherry-pick one Atheist group that had a outlandish but fair complaint about a steel beam cross being in the 9/11 museum?

What happened to free speech rights? Oh, only Christians get those when they want to speak out against a certain group. But if someone speaks out against Christians, free speech is suddenly taboo.

Would you like to try again? :-)

August 15, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.
timbo said...

You idiot liberals.... this is just Bennett and the rest of you imbeciles wishful thinking. We are happy with the pick and now we are taking the gloves off on these Chicago thugs in the Obama campaign.

I don't care what any of you liberals think. It's on like donkey kong.

August 15, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
Easy123 said...


The editor of the Free Press doesn't even like the pick. LMAO!

August 15, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
degage said...

Easy I don't hate gays, I don't think anything about them. They have their life to live and I have mine. I think we can coexist on this planet without so much drama. You by the why are intolerant of anything mentioned about God. If you were not intolerent you would not post so much hate toward christians. So your athiest why do think I care? As I say we should be able to co-exist without such hatered as you spew. So I'm a christian Why do you care.?

August 15, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
timbo said...

Easy123....we might not be ecstatic with the pick but it is a lot better than Obama/Biden. All of us will hold our noses and vote for the ticket to get rid of Obama. He is the worst president in history.

August 15, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
Easy123 said...


"I don't hate gays."

Your god does.

"You by the why are intolerant of anything mentioned about God."

No, I'm not. But I will actively ridicule you if you bring your religion up. Free speech, remember?

"If you were not intolerent you would not post so much hate toward christians"

I don't post any hatred towards anyone, much less Christians.

"So your athiest why do think I care?"

I don't think you care and I never claimed you did. For future reference, it's "atheist".

"As I say we should be able to co-exist without such hatered (sic) as you spew."

Show me the spewing of hatred. I dare you.

"So I'm a christian Why do you care.?"

I don't. Show me where I said I cared what religion you were.

Would you like to keep building this straw man? Or quit while you're behind?

August 15, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.
Easy123 said...


Just a few minutes ago, you were "happy" with the pick. But now you will "hold your noses" to vote for them. Which one is it, flip-flopper?

How is Obama the worst President in history? I'd love to know.

August 15, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
reliabilityguru said...

Clay, sorry to see that you have two left arms and no right arm. Must be kinda hard to draw that way.

August 15, 2012 at 12:15 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Why is it you have to link all christians to westboro loonies. Real christians have a problem with westboro. they claim to be christians but that is a farse as far as the mainstream christians are concerned."

While you just made that statement and I commend you for doing so, I have seen Westboro Baptist Church brought up many times in this forum and have never witnessed anyone known to be religiously conservative do the same.

In fact, I've witnessed some of the same anti-gay sentiment that Westboro members express coming from at least one person. Perhaps that person we are in the midst of an associate member of the Westboro Baptist Church.

August 15, 2012 at 12:22 p.m.
miraweb said...

Alprova -

Actually, Mitt Romney wandered away from the governor's job with a year a half to go. Sarah Palin at least gave notice.

Mittster just kept collecting the paycheck while he spent time out of state getting donors lined up for his presidential run.

August 15, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.
acerigger said...

Easy123 said... "How is Obama the worst President in history? I'd love to know."

I'm with you on that Easy!

I'd also like to hear some SPECIFICS on so-called "Failed Policies" (but I won't be holding my breath!)

August 15, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: I got no problem with free speech. My comments about the atheists needing an agent was a serious one. They should pick better fights, that's all. Free speech abides.

August 15, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
miraweb said...

Alprova -

Actually, Mitt Romney wandered away from the governor's job with a year a half to go. Sarah Palin at least gave notice.

Mittster just kept collecting the paycheck while he spent time out of state getting donors lined up for his presidential run.

August 15, 2012 at 12:43 p.m.
alprova said...

miraweb wrote" "Actually, Mitt Romney wandered away from the governor's job with a year a half to go. Sarah Palin at least gave notice."

Maybe you know more about it than what my research has uncovered thus far, but it appears that he left office on January 4, 2007 after having served his full four term in office.

He wound up his first year in office with a 66% approval rating. He left office with a 39% approval rating. A month before his last month in office as Governor, his approval rating dipped to its lowest point of 34%.

"Mittster just kept collecting the paycheck while he spent time out of state getting donors lined up for his presidential run."

I don't know about his internal campaigning for President while he was Governor, but I do know that both he and the Lt. Governor did not accept any pay from the state while they were both in office.

August 15, 2012 at 12:45 p.m.
miraweb said...

There was even a prize on his behalf awarded in the annual "Best of Boston" listings:

"Best Absentee"

Critics of Mitt Romney pass out leaflets showing the governor's face on a milk carton after he goes missing from the State House to campaign for President George W. Bush, promote his book, travel in Utah, and visit the Olympics in Athens.


I stand corrected on the paycheck issue. You are quite right, there.

Mitt has a rather short attention span. Can't say if he really has any plans after he gets himself a little tax break.

August 15, 2012 at 12:56 p.m.
mymy said...

I like the R&R ticket and can't wait to vote for them. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Obama Choom Gang.

August 15, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

Romney made few friends when he was governor of Massachusetts. He didn't work well with legislators. He didn't even work well with his best constituency, business leaders. Here is a quote from 2003:

The business community fretted as calls went unreturned and policies were announced without prior consultation, while perplexed private-sector pillars traded stories about how hard it was to get in to see the governor.

What I hear from business leaders is that they haven't been involved in the discussion of things, even where there is a business or management element to be discussed," says Alan Macdonald, executive director of the Massachusetts Business Roundtable. While Macdonald hastens to add that the administration is belatedly addressing that neglect, others paint a different picture. "I think it is a very general, widespread discontent," says one close Republican observer.

But David D'Alessandro, chief executive of John Hancock Financial Services and a personal friend of Romney's, says that is a necessary offshoot of Romney's no-nonsense CEO style. "He is not into backslapping," says D'Alessandro. "He will meet with whom he needs to meet with to solve the problem, but given the state's problems today, I don't know why he should have to meet with people just to get to know them. I certainly don't.

August 15, 2012 at 1:20 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Alpo: And maybe you just love to hear yourself yammer."

Yo've never met me. How can you make such a determination? I'm quite reserved in person and I tend to keep a very low profile. Life's too short after all.

Are you attempting to project onto me a problem that you personally suffer from? Do you hear what I write? Do you *hear what other people write too?

Thank you kindly for your concern, but I still have to take the time toread what people write in this forum.

I'm sure that there is a doctor out there somewhere who can assist you. Of course, the first step in finding treatment will have to include you admitting that you have such a problem.

August 15, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
raygunz said...

tu_quoque said... "Left-wing social policies are predicated on giving more and more Americans more and more benefits and demanding less and less from them."

Right-wing social policies are predicated on giving more and more Americans less and less benefits and demanding that they shut up and deal with it.

There,fixed it for you.

August 15, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: I suppose I could be in denial. Then again, maybe you ARE a self-absorbed, bloviating, twit.

August 15, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
patriot1 said...
August 15, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.

P.A. announcement: The winner of the cartoon caption contest in Mrs. Davis’ 5th grade remedial art class … Clay Bennett with “Romney Ruin.” (Get it? “Ruin” sounds like “Ryan,” and Clay doesn’t like Ryan.) [The whole class roared with laughter. It was as if Bennett had breathed new life into Mad Libs.]

August 15, 2012 at 2:11 p.m.
degage said...

Easy, so you do not think your implying christians should get lobotomies is not hateful? It is to me and you on other days have said worse. From now on every time you say hateful things I will bring it to your attention.

August 15, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.
mymy said...

It's for sure the looney left doesn't understand the debt/economy and what is going to happen. Obama polices have made it worse with no plan to make it better only worse.

They seem to think their free stuff comes from money tree in a secure room under the WH!

August 15, 2012 at 2:41 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

MyMy, thanks for sharing that video clip of Ray Stevens. I didn't realize he had become such a teabagging goon. He's a pretty funny guy and has written some clever and catchy songs in the past but this is one is extremely stupid. He's taken all the lies and the distortions about Obamacare and made a catchy song about it. I'm sure the teaparty scuzz-wads love this and will probably listen to it over and over again as they spit up their chawin' tobacky in laughter. But the entire song is based on lies. I appreciate your making me aware of how low Ray Stevens has sunk into the warped teabagging mindset - about as low as Bocephus and Ted Nugent, if that's possible. I will never listen to this lying teaparty twit again.

August 15, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.
mtngrl said...

REPUBLICAN DAVID STOCKMAN: Paul Ryan's Budget Is An Empty Fairy Tale

August 15, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
jesse said...

Sooner or later(hopefully sooner) it's gonna have to come down to the options that Ryan is advocating now! We are running out of options!(pussyfooting around waiting for the econ. to heal itself ain't working too good!!) The Nation is in a WORLD OF HURT and band aids ain't gonna gitter done! Before this is fixed (if ever) everyone is gonna be biting the bullit till their molars ACHE! BAD TIMES THEY BE COMMIN!!

August 15, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.

I'm sure Ryan is as good a choice as Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Jack Kemp, or Dan Quayle.

Or even Spiro Agnew and Richard Nixon. They worked out fine.

It'd be really funny if Ryan lost his House seat just because people didn't want a special election. Not that I think he'll win, even Wisconsin, but a double rejection would be hilarious.

He could probably go on a book tour with Cliff Stearns.

August 15, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
jesse said...

Bulbs! I know you are happy w/the new ones BUT they have not helped you SEE reality,AT ALL! I guess NEW BULBS only go so far! Ryan is not the man BUT some of the options he is advocating are gonna HAVE to be implemented to get us back on track! Otherwise it ain't gonna work and the Nation is goin down the tube!

August 15, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

The only options that Ryan is willing to implement are those that turn the screw tighter and tighter on the poor and the working class. How can anyone be taken seriously about debt reduction and fiscal sanity unless the sacrifices they call for are shared by the wealthy as well? It's one thing to talk about shared sacrifice but when the sharing they are talking about does not include the wealthy, and in fact treats them as some privileged, untouchable class, then they are just blowing smoke. Anyway, cuts to things like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, unemployment insurance, food stamps, etc., are going to bring disastrous results, the end cost being much more than the money that would be saved up front. You cannot just cut or dismantle those programs and think that we will not end up paying even more down the road - unless you are just willing to let the poor and the uninsured die on the streets. And it seems that Ryan and those who think like him would not mind that happening.

August 15, 2012 at 4:05 p.m.
mymy said...


Thanks for confirming what an airhead you are.

Airhead (slang), a common derogatory term for a foolish person (most frequently young and female, similar to bimbo but often used for males also)

August 15, 2012 at 4:15 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Furthermore, the wealthy have been coddled long enough. For over ten years now they have enjoyed practically the lowest tax rates and have benefited from the most number of tax loop holes in the entire history of taxation in this country. It is time for them to ante up and get in the game to help the country in a time of dire need. I get sick of hearing all this talk about "shared sacrifice" from the Republicans, when they expect only the poor, the working, and the middle class to do the sharing, all the while the wealthy are treated like friggin' royalty. Oh, but I forget....they are the "job creators." Yeah, right.

August 15, 2012 at 4:16 p.m.
jesse said...

If we took every red cent the so called wealthey had it would not knock a dent in the defict!It's gonna take all the taxpayers biten the bullit to get us outta this hole we are in and i don't expect to see it happin in my lifetime! China is the man till they fall into the same trap 100 years down the road!

August 15, 2012 at 4:22 p.m.
mtngrl said...

It seems Ryan is only a deficit hawk when Dems are in power, but had no problem with Bush's spending spree since Ryan voted for every non-funded spending bill during Bush's years. Why would you think he and Romney would remain a deficit hawks if the Repubs get power?

There is no way their budget can give the tax breaks they want to themselves and have any positive affect on the deficit or debt without pushing the costs onto the middle class. That is why the Tax Policy Center said Romney's plan would cost middle class families $2000 more per year.

Now that Romney picked Ryan, we have the full "right wing social engineering" ticket

August 15, 2012 at 4:31 p.m.
mymy said...

Rickaroo: Did you listen to this. If you did, did the info just float in to the empty space between you ears? Apparently, that space is so full up with Obama lies there is no room to process anything else.

August 15, 2012 at 4:31 p.m.
alprova said...

The only thing more comical to watch than the Tea Party crowd proclaim that the sky is falling due to the debt, are some of those same people who qualify for and receive social entitlements, cringe, complain, and rebuff any and all suggestions that if they are wealthy, that they bow out of either or both the Social Security and the Medicare programs, in order to preserve both for those who truly are needy and who depend on them.

This I have observed in person.

"No way. I paid into both programs for years. I deserve those benefits."

So did everyone else who is within yards of crossing that finish line.

August 15, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

Tu pastes and copies:

Traditional Medicare fee-for-service would remain available for all. “Premium support”—that is, government funding of private insurance plans chosen by individuals—is an option for those who choose it. No senior would be forced out of the traditional Medicare program against his will.

Really? Do insurers really need another place at the public trough? Didn't Bush just try that with "Medicare Advantage" and the plans came in at 14% higher cost than actual Medicare?

Though, again, it makes sense. Ryan's key donors are banks and the insurance industry. Gotta keep pappy happy or he'll stop sending over the checks.

August 15, 2012 at 4:36 p.m.
miraweb said...

Here is the AARP's assessment of Ryan's proposals. They bring up the point that even if you are over 55, your access to nursing home care could be cut with the changes he proposes to Medicaid. AARP was pretty harsh on the proposals.

August 15, 2012 at 4:52 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Alprova says: "now have a clue as to why the Republican cheerleaders spend more time in attacking the President and now the Vice-President, rather than in promoting their candidates of choice." You mean like Tooney the lap dog and his TFP handlers. Right?

August 15, 2012 at 4:53 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"If we took every red cent the so called wealthey had it would not knock a dent in the defict!" - jesse

That silly saying has been uttered so often by the teabaggers it would be comical if it weren't so trite and boring. That makes about as much sense as..."Sooner or later you run out of other people's money," another favorite saying of the teabaggers in their slam on socialism - or what they think is socialism anyway.

You can tax the middle class more, defund Planned Parenthood, completely do away with Food Stamps and Medicare, and even Social Security, and that wouldn't "knock a dent in the deficit" either. Especially with such excessive military spending, continued tax cuts for the rich, and out-of-control health care costs left in the hands of private insurance companies, just the way it's always been. It's funny how the deficit hawks all seem to think that getting blood from a turnip (the poor and middle class) will solve our deficit problems but raising taxes on the wealthy or cutting some of the obscenely wasteful military spending will "not knock a dent in the deficit."

August 15, 2012 at 5 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Do you guys hear a chi-hua-hua yapping in the background? Oh, never mind. That's just MyMy barking some nonsense.

August 15, 2012 at 5:09 p.m.
alprova said...

Rickaroo wrote: "Do you guys hear a chi-hua-hua yapping in the background? Oh, never mind. That's just MyMy barking some nonsense."

Well cut her some slack. She thinks she's a Fox.

August 15, 2012 at 5:12 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

"Well cut her some slack. She thinks she's a Fox." ...shortest post ever by Alpo. Someone check on him, quick.

August 15, 2012 at 5:34 p.m.
mymy said...


50+ Voters and the 2012 Elections

Economic anxieties among Florida voters 50+ are leading to a general dissatisfaction with political leaders. Voters 50+ are about as likely to say that their personal economic circumstances were negatively affected by political gridlock in Washington (81 percent) as by the economic downturn (82 percent). By 49 to 41 percent, these voters disapprove of President Obama’s job performance, and by 80 to 10 percent, they disapprove of Congress’s job performance.

As of now, Florida voters 50+ lean slightly toward Gov. Romney in their presidential vote preference (44 percent for President Obama, 46 percent for Governor Romney, and 10 percent not sure), and they also lean slightly toward Republican Congressman Connie Mack IV and against Sen. Bill Nelson (42 percent for Mack, 39 percent for Nelson).

The concerns of Florida 50+ voters highlight the importance of Social Security and Medicare as election issues. By overwhelming bipartisan margins, Floridians age 50+ believe the next president and Congress need to strengthen Social Security (92 percent to 6 percent) and Medicare (91 percent to 6 percent). They also overwhelmingly (90 percent to 8 percent) think that these issues are too big for either party to fix alone and require Republicans and Democrats to come together. On this issue, Obama (93 percent) and Romney voters (90 percent) overwhelmingly agree.

“The message from voters 50+ is clear,” added LeaMond. “In a razor-tight election, candidates have a major opportunity to reach key voters by speaking about their plans on Social Security and Medicare – and they are making a huge gamble if they ignore them.”

August 15, 2012 at 5:55 p.m.
carlB said...

Have the voters "become brain dead," or "dumbed down" in not paying any attention to what is being said by the Republicans just to turn and divide the voters against President Obama? How many of the voters would go along with being; repressed, regressed, oppressed, depressed, digressed or suppressed with new morality laws? Is the what the voters want?” Every voter should realize that there are not any perfect situations/conditions nor are there perfect individuals. People have to make decisions based on their own well being. If you think the Republicans' policies are for helping the masses, then you are not reading or listening to what Romney and Ryan are saying.

August 15, 2012 at 6:43 p.m.
carlB said...

How many of the voters have noticed that again we have a Republican House of Representative incumbent bragging about running against the "liberal agenda"? Wanting to continue cutting government spending with out mentioning how he would increase revenue or create manufacturing jobs, as if it would solve our Republic's continuing recovery from the 2007 deep recession when there still is a chance that the USA could fall into another great depression. We are always hearing the Republicans asking President Obama where were all of the jobs he wanted to get the private sectors to create? Yet, how many jobs have the Republicans help create or how many jobs have their obstructionism tactics to cause Obama's failure have they prevented from being created? I still ask the question, what do the voters really want to happen for their own self interest if they vote for putting the Republicans back in control or continue with having a stalemate condition without any recovery plans?

August 15, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Rickaroo! We been diggin ourselves into a hole starting w/ L.B.J.'s great society and war on poverty! In order to climb out of the hole EVERYBODY is gonna have to bleed bright red! AND ain't nobody gonna vote for that!! We been pussyfootin around w/ this for 30 years and now it's to the point of do or die! The NOBODY in this election cycle is up to the job and anybody that is up to the job can't get elected because the voters won't face up to the fact that it has to be done now!

August 15, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.
mymy said...

The 50 + are paying attention and the young who are concerned about their future are paying attention.

It is the economy stupid’s! The economy is getting worse under Obama. There is no "hope" in the near future with Obama Policies.

He has no plan but to pit us against each other, spend, borrow and tax with the deficit growing leaps and bounds. It is obvious many do not understand the consequences of the debt.

Political parody 'Obama That I Used to Know' goes viral Aug 10, 2012

Disillusioned voters' Gotye spoof takes president to task

Goye interview:


August 15, 2012 at 7:43 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Jesse, funny that you mention LBJ's great society and his war on if that is the main reason the deficit is so big now. You don't mention Reagan's trickle-down nonsense and massive deregulation; nor do you mention Bush's unfunded wars and his tax cuts that immediately turned a surplus into a deficit. You also fail to mention the repeal of Glass-Steagall (Clinton) that set the crazy banksters loose to play their reckless casino-type games with derivatives and mortgage backed securities, which they had no business being involved with in the first place, and which brought the whole house of cards crashing down on all of us. You and all the teabaggers (I know you claim not to be one but you might as well be one because you think like one most of the time) keep screaming about those "entitlements" for the poor as if that is the root of the problem; but you ignore the massive corporate welfare, tax loop holes, and special entitelments that the rich get, and those are sucking the very life blood out of us, much more than any social safety nets for the poor and needy.

August 15, 2012 at 7:43 p.m.
fairmon said...

jesse.....Well said in the 7:23 post and very true but as you can tell many posters here don't won't to be confused with the facts about the deficits and debts. It seems many want to believe if we will just let the government keep getting larger, control more and borrow enough money to do that at some point soon everything will be ok.

August 15, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.

Took every red cent of the wealthy? Not that I'm aware of anybody advocating such a plan(it would be impractical for numerous and extensive reasons), but it would do a lot more than eliminate the deficit. It'd eliminate the debt.

Why? Because the wealth of the country is around 56 trillion dollars. The top 1% control about a third of it. That's around 18-19 trillion dollars. The current debt is less than that.

But I suppose some people wouldn't care to actually know what they're talking about.

Time to bring back Jon Stewart:

August 15, 2012 at 8:17 p.m.
fairmon said...

EaTn said... harp3339 said..."Biden is a buffoon. Obama needs to replace him with Hillary or almost anyone that could keep their foot out of his mouth."

Most presidents are over-loyal to the vp's. Had Bush trashed his VP the second term he may have regained some of his lost stature instead on going down as one of the worst presidents in our recent history.

EaTn Does Bush being an idiot and having a pp veep justify Biden? In a speech today he talked about the 20th century instead of the 21st. The man is just a good old Joe that is dumb which those that know him realize but they like him. Did you see on his tax returns how charitable he was with his own money. 300 dollars in only one year? How does he afford it?

August 15, 2012 at 8:25 p.m.
fairmon said...

Essentially all incumbents not retiring will return to their positions. The time and money spent campaigning could be better spent effectively addressing the serious problems this country has. The level of congress's concern may be demonstrated by the fact they went on vacation as planned.

With all the post here has anyone changed an opinion or been swayed by anything posted?

August 15, 2012 at 8:32 p.m.
jesse said...

I knew a guy back in the day that was either way up or down low!

he would come around when he was down singin them sad songs and borrow $500.00! 3 days later when you seen him he would be wearin a pair of $300.00 lizard skin cowboy boots! That kinda reminds me of the way some folks on here think! The glory days are almost over,the piper is at the door waitin to be paid! Unless something is done quick the gonna fall thru the basement floor sometime in the next 4 or 5 years and it's gonna make the great depression look like boom times!!

August 15, 2012 at 8:41 p.m.
alprova said...


August 15, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.

harp3339, oh dear me, you mean he referred to the 20th Century instead of the 21st Century? My word, such a terrible error.

Keep dragging up petty complaints, they make your arguments look weaker, not stronger. Why don't you drag up that old "57" states bit so you can make the circle complete?

Yet if a Republican makes such a mistake, why you sweep it under the rug, and try to attack others for doing what you just got done doing. Thanks again.

alprova, don't worry, I'll sell you my guaranteed and patented skyfall-protection hats. Full refund if you should be killed by a "meteoroid" or suffer non-pre-existing brain damage.

August 15, 2012 at 9:23 p.m.
alprova said...

I'm so worried about the economy falling thru the basement floor sometime in the next 4 of 5 years.

Will your patented skyfall-protection hats protect me from that?

August 15, 2012 at 9:40 p.m.
miraweb said...

Well, at least you'll have a pot to . . . .


August 15, 2012 at 9:43 p.m.

For that you'll have to get the gold-plated version with extra-deluxe precious stones.

August 15, 2012 at 10:08 p.m.
mymy said...

Intelligence and Special Operations forces are furious and frustrated at how President Obama and those in positions of authority have exploited their service for political advantage. Countless leaks, interviews and decisions by the Obama Administration and other government officials have undermined the success of our Intelligence and Special Operations forces and put future missions and personnel at risk.

The unwarranted and dangerous public disclosure of Special Forces Operations is so serious -- that for the first time ever -- former operators have agreed to risk their reputations and go 'on the record' in a special documentary titled "Dishonorable Disclosures." Its goal is to educate America about serious breaches of security and prevent them from ever happening again.

Use of military ranks, titles & photographs in uniform does not imply endorsement of the Dept of the Army or the Department of Defense. All individuals are no longer in active service with any federal agency or military service.

August 15, 2012 at 10:24 p.m.
rick1 said...

CarlB, I see the policies of the Democrats are for helping the masses as long as you are a member of the UAW. But if you were one of the 20,000 non-union salaried retirees who worked for Delphi you got screwed when The Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) and the Treasury Department axed their pensions in 2009.

Of course The Obama Administration and The Treasury Department said they had no knowledge of this but a House Ways and Means committee press release cited an Aug. 7 story in The Daily Caller that included internal PBGC emails showing senior White House and Treasury officials were behind the pension terminations.

Read more:

August 15, 2012 at 10:37 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"Countless leaks, interviews and decisions by the Obama Administration and other government officials have undermined the success of our Intelligence and Special Operations forces and put future missions and personnel at risk." -mymy

That's what 'sheik' said.

August 15, 2012 at 10:37 p.m.
acerigger said...

As Politico and The Hill each reported Tuesday, among Republican strategists and GOP members of Congress that heartburn is approaching panic. "Away from the cameras," Politico noted, "there is an unmistakable consensus among Republican operatives in Washington: Romney has taken a risk with Ryan that has only a modest chance of going right -- and a huge chance of going horribly wrong." As The Hill explained:

Republicans strategists are worried that Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-Wis.) addition to the presidential ticket will cost their party House and Senate seats this fall.

Their concern: Democrats will successfully demonize Ryan's budget plan, which contains controversial spending cuts and changes to Medicare...Many Republicans in tough races this year, especially in the House, voted for Ryan's proposal, which makes it hard for them to distance themselves from it.

Hard, indeed. After all, 235 House Republicans and 40 GOP Senators--98 percent of all GOP member of Congress--voted for Ryan's budget in 2011. (In 2012, the numbers were 228 and 41, respectively.) (Sorry, it wont fit the page)

August 15, 2012 at 10:57 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1, the Delphi pension debacle is old news, with the exception of the recently surfaced email exchanges, which are protected communications. Someone's or a bunch of someone's heads are going to be on a platter.

That aside, Delphi's pensions were going to be axed, no matter how the bankruptcy proceeded. Delphi was sold off in 1999 by GM, and Delphi filed for bankruptcy protection in 2005.

GM reaquired Delphi and its pension plan. In 2007, an agreement was reached with the UAW to preserve pensions benefits for all union members, including all union retirees of both companies and they were re-funded. No such agreement was reached to preserve the pensions for salaried employees, they continued to be unfunded, so the Delphi pension plans for all salaried employees were axed and given over to the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation.

For a better way of explaining it, for the purposes of the 2009 bankruptcy filing by GM, think of those UAW pensions as a secured claim because those pensions were contractually secured, whereas the pensions for salaried employees were an unsecured claim.

Even if Treasury had input into any decision to axe the pensions for salaried workers, that in no manner suggests that there was any wrongdoing in any decisions that were made. Treasury was most certainly charged with guiding GM through the bankruptcy, and any and all decisions that came down the pike were ultimately made by GM management.

The compelling factor in the decision made was the agreement reached between GM and the UAW for its members, preserving the pensions for the union workers in 2007.

Was it fair? Probably not. Was it a backroom deal made by the Obama Administration for no other reason than to favor union workers? Absolutely not. GM was contractually bound to honor a written agreement that did not apply to the salaried employees of the Delphi Corporation.

August 15, 2012 at 11:50 p.m.
carlB said...

rick1 said... CarlB, I see the policies of the Democrats are for helping the masses as long as you are a member of the UAW. ----==== Reply: Let us not give up on getting the Democratic candidates elected in the Republican dominated districts. I believe the greater percentage of the voters do not want the Republicans to take this Republic back to the "mind set" of the Governments' roles to the pre FDR new deal policies and if this is pointed out and repeated and repeated by the correct people while the county parties also push it out to the voters, many of the voters will look at the Republicans in a "different light". How many of the voters would go along with being; repressed, regressed, oppressed, depressed, digressed or suppressed with new morality laws? If this what the voters want, then this what the Republicans will do for them. Move them back into the "stone age" if they get back into control. Why do the Republicans' only plan is for widening the wage gap not creating the needed manufacturing/production jobs here and pushing more people into poverty and then not wanting to help with their existence?
Forget about any unions or representation for the workers or help for the people who cannot find a job, the Republicans will leave these people to fend for themselves and they will be at the "mercy" of employers. The USA has gone through this cycle before.

August 16, 2012 at 6:55 p.m.
carlB said...

JonRoss said... The only thing that Obama can do now is to cut a deal with Romney to guarantee a pardon after Romney is sworn in ====

Reply;JonRoss, Why do you not be more specific on what charges and a conviction you are talking about instead of just throwing out something to hope it sticks?

August 18, 2012 at 10:19 p.m.
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