published Thursday, August 16th, 2012

The Ballot Box

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Wait for the blustering rage insistimg , quite forcefully, that they're just protecting the integrity of the ballot box.

This is the same excuse made in the days of poll taxes, literacy tests and going decades without redistricting.

The only thing that changed was the party label, not the attitude.

August 16, 2012 at 12:11 a.m.
NGAdad said...

bulbs, are you saying these Rs are just the ole George Wallace crowd? Well you are pretty bright after all.

Flame on all you wingnuts. Mittens is going down as the second idiot to lose to Barrack Obama especially due to poor selection of a running mate.

Mitt should have picked the pizza pervert.

August 16, 2012 at 12:16 a.m.

Well, they've mixed in a few others. The neoconservative Chicken hawks, the self-righteous moralists, all while doing their best to keep the corporatist money-funnelers under their tents.

Herman Cain would have been an interesting choice, but I suspect he knew Mitt was the one who dug up the affairs, and couldn't stomach it anyway.

Oh well, I'm sure they don't mind punishing ten thousand innocent voters just to maybe somehow find the one person dumb enough to lie about their identity but not able to get fake ID.

August 16, 2012 at 12:50 a.m.
librul said...

Republican attempts to suppress voting rights through hysterical restrictions, ostensibly aimed at eliminating voter fraud that has been shown to simply not exist; extending hours at polls in majority Republican districts but not Democratic majority districts in Ohio; blatantly purging minorities from voter rolls in Florida; arbitrarily changing polling locations, eliminating weekend voting opportunity ... all of this should raise the ire of EVERY American citizen regardless of political persuasion. Messing with voting rights is the lowest form of political thuggery.

If the Republican Party doesn't think it can win based on its "do nothing" performance over the last four years, and most would have to agree, Americans should register their disgust at the polls. Mr. Rmoney has the worst mid-summer approval rating of any candidate in memory and it is well deserved. His stonewalling on his taxes may well be to hide horribly embarrassing revelations - even illegalities, his embracing Ryan may have just been a way to eliminate a competing budget plan while attempting to raise his approval among extremists on the right who remain skeptical of Rmoney's well documented flip-flopping on issues they are so fanatical about.

August 16, 2012 at 1:17 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

ROMNEY WATCH a continuing series

We don't know how much Romney paid in taxes before 2010. We do know that he has gone to heroic efforts to not pay one dime more than is legally required. He commented once that if he in fact DID pay that extra dime he would not be qualified to run for President.

That's setting the bar pretty low.

Anyway, the one lonely tax return that was released - 2010 - showed Romney paid a tax rate of around 13.9% on income of $21 million dollars derived from capital gains, interest, and dividends.

Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan wants to eliminate all taxes on capital gains, interest and dividends. In fact, if all of Ryan's budget were enacted Romney's tax rate would shrink to .82%. I'm not suggesting that Willard Mitt Romney had an ulterior motive in nominating Ryan.

I'm suggesting he's a hypocrite.

During the primary campaign the Gingrich budget plan would eliminate all taxes on capital gains, interest and dividend. Romney criticized the idea and spent millions in negative TV ads destroying the Gingrich campaign. Romney cackled when asked about negative campaigning.

Let's see...

Romney was against the plan before he was in favor of it.

What a buffoon.

August 16, 2012 at 1:21 a.m.
EaTn said...

Looks like all the right wingers are sleeping-in this morning. Even with the voter ID charade and the recent swift-boat character push, Obama will still beat Mittens and Jr.

August 16, 2012 at 6:25 a.m.
conservative said...

This is why I call them Lieberals.

August 16, 2012 at 7:18 a.m.
Nonsense said...

"We do know that he has gone to heroic efforts to not pay one dime more than is legally required."

That's funny! So, you voluntarily pay extra to the IRS on an annual basis. It must be nice to have that much disposable income!

August 16, 2012 at 7:41 a.m.
mymy said...

82 Days to Go:

Like ole Joe says this is a big ....... deal!

There is a donkey on the other side of the box!

Guess which way the military vote will go:

August 16, 2012 at 8:03 a.m.
EaTn said...

The right-wingers depend on money to be their edge in an election, but this time money bought them a losing candidate. The last two GOP candidates choices in VP running mates just highlight their decision abilities. Romney and Ryan are definitely lacking in personality, and Romney has the transparency of a lead window. It's going to take more than money ads attacking Obama's record to win this election. Voters want to know "where's the beef?".

August 16, 2012 at 8:05 a.m.
EaTn said...

mymy said..."Guess which way the military vote will go:"

Well, those who are self-thinkers will vote part for Romney and part for Obama. Don't put all the military in a closed-minded box.

August 16, 2012 at 8:09 a.m.
patriot1 said...

A federal lawsuit trying to void the wishes of the majority. This must be what the toon is about:

I totally agree with Bennett on this one.

August 16, 2012 at 8:15 a.m.

Oh, poor babies have to show ID. How terrible! What a burden. No problem doing that for liquor and cigarettes, though. Get over it. Democrats will do anything they can to stand in the way of military folks voting. Liars.

August 16, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
Livn4life said...

MISSED THAT DRAWBOY...we reserve the right to refuse service to people who should not even be here. Keep up the ridiculous drivel.

August 16, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The southpaws out in force today. Who's feeding the poor?

August 16, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
lightkeeper said...

Oh yes, and lets not fail to mention the new drivers license center opening in Red Bank thats totally inaccessible if you don't own a vehicle and need a photo ID since there are no Carta buses that run. Was Red bank the only available land the Hamilton county GOP mayor and commissioners had for the state of Tennessee to build a center? I think not! that was ingenuous

August 16, 2012 at 10:32 a.m.

If Democrats had any regard whatsoever for the integrity of the ballot box, they wouldn’t so strenuously object to voters being required to prove their identity as U.S. citizens before casting their ballots. Truth is, Democrats have no such regard. Zero. The notorious shenanigans of poll workers in Democrat precincts has their party bosses and their sycophants in panic mode. With Boss Crutchfield newly sprung from the big house, these measures couldn’t come at a better time.

August 16, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Can you show ANY non-citizens who have ever cast ballots by pretending to be someone else on the registration list? Any at all?

How much has actually been spent on this process nationwide? And who is footing the bill?

August 16, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

"...Obama: I Don't Think Anyone Would Suggest I've Tried To Divide The Country" Are you shizzing me???

August 16, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.

Can we please get a cartoon with two militantly dressed black men standing in front of a polling place with clubs? You should probably caption it, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." Holder should be seated inside laughing. That would be great.

August 16, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.

Mtngrl, How would you prove it without checking IDs? Who is footing the bill? The same people that always foot the bill. Taxpayers.

August 16, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

FlyingPurpleSheeple: Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

August 16, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.

Too real to be funny? I think so too. I guess Clay has it right with his little fictions.

August 16, 2012 at 11:22 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Oh, poor babies have to show ID. How terrible! What a burden. No problem doing that for liquor and cigarettes, though. Get over it." - zableed

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to utter that silly, worn-out comparison. Voting is NOT like buying liquor or cigarettes. Voting is a right, not a privilege. We should be doing everything possible to make voting easier and more accessible, not more difficult.

FACT: there is not, nor has there ever been, a voter-fraud problem. The incidents of intentional voter fraud have been so miniscule that it's absurd to even be talking about it. It is a "problem" that does not exist. You righties who believe, even for a second, that it is a problem are as hopelessly, helplessly lost as your thinking that trickle-down works and that the fat cats and Republicans have your best interests at heart. They don't give a rat's ass about your individual freedoms, they just care about THEIR freedoms to do whatever the hell they want. And they don't care about the "integrity" of the ballot box, they just want to disenfranchise as many Democratic voters as they can; and they know that instating voter ID laws is a sure-fire way to do that.

Eat more brain food. Wise up, you brain-dead conservatives.

August 16, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

And another thing: Conservatives across the board are repulsed by the thought of a universal ID (the notion of Big Brother becoming a reality in our lives) but here they don't seem to mind a new law that brings us that much closer to making something like a universal ID inevitable. Go figure.

August 16, 2012 at 11:29 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Rickyroo: FACT: Believing Chicago talking points does NOT make it true. Wise up, Kool-Aid gulper.

August 16, 2012 at 11:29 a.m.

Rickaroo, How would you prove voter fraud of the type that a state picture ID would prevent without checking a picture ID? How can there be any history of this type of voter fraud without a method to check identity?

August 16, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Like MtnGirl said, wwwtw, show us examples of all these incidents where non-citizens have tried to vote. If it is such a problem, there must be thousands, even tens of thousands, of incidents of this happening. Shouldn't be too difficult for you to provide us some concrete proof.

August 16, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.

Once again, how would you get proof if no proof is required? How about I just adopt your strategy and claim it happens in 4 out of 5 votes and then demand you provide concrete proof that I am wrong.

August 16, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.
mtngrl said...

FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said...

"Mtngrl, How would you prove it without checking IDs? Who is footing the bill? The same people that always foot the bill. Taxpayers."

We have always had to show IDs, haven't you voted before? The only thing new is requiring a photo. Everyone has to prove exactly who they are at the time they register to vote. The ID is only to check that you are on the registration list.

In order to commit the type of voter fraud these laws address you would have to know the name of a person on the list, where their polling location is, that they are not voting or have not voted yet, and be sure that the poll workers do not know that person (most of the workers at my polling location live in my neighborhood). In addition to the this you would have to have a fake voter registration card or other ID with that name on it.

The article below does not even mention illegals nor do any others I can find, which is why I asked if anyone at all had any data on that.

Fraud by individual voters is both irrational and extremely rare. Most citizens who take the time to vote offer their legitimate signatures and sworn oaths with the gravitas that this hard-won civic right deserves. Even for the few who view voting merely as a means to an end, however, voter fraud is a singularly foolish way to attempt to win an election. Each act of voter fraud risks five years in prison and a $10,000 fine - but yields at most one incremental vote. The single vote is simply not worth the price.

Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.

Since the taxpayers are covering the cost, then where is your typical "big government is stealing from me" outcries over this waste of money?

August 16, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.

Where is the concrete proof? Irrational? That's only a valid arguement in a fantasy world without humans.

August 16, 2012 at 11:55 a.m.
mtngrl said...

FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said...

"Where is the concrete proof?"

That is exactly what I was asking you for.

August 16, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Pretty much a non-issue to me. DOES, however, distract from discussing The Dear Leader's total failed term.

August 16, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.
acerigger said...
The analysis of 2,068 reported fraud cases by News21, a Carnegie-Knight investigative reporting project, found 10 cases of alleged in-person voter impersonation since 2000. With 146 million registered voters in the United States, those represent about one for every 15 million prospective voters.

The News21 report is based on a national public-records search in which reporters sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of alleged fraudulent activity — including registration fraud; absentee-ballot fraud; vote buying; false election counts; campaign fraud; the casting of ballots by ineligible voters, such as felons and non-citizens; double voting; and voter impersonation.

The analysis found that there is more alleged fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than in any of the other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of alleged absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases involving registration fraud. Requiring voters to show identification at the polls — the crux of most of the new legislation — would not have prevented those cases.

The analysis also found that more than 46 percent of the reported election fraud allegations resulted in acquittals, dropped charges or decisions not to bring charges.

Requiring voters to present government-issued photo IDs would do next-to-nothing to stop voter fraud, could cost the states millions, and could disenfranchise millions of legitimate citizen voters. But, as more and more Republicans are admitting, they could accomplish their real aim: disenfranchising enough Democrats to win elections for Republicans.

August 16, 2012 at noon
Rickaroo said...

FPSE, Mtngrl's response was on the mark and backed up by real-world facts and information. You know this but you deny it because you cannot come up with any actual proof to back up your specious argument. All you have are your factually challenged protestations. If anyone is living in a fantasy world it is you and the other right-wing nuts who refuse to hear, see, or accept the truth. Go back and listen to your Faux News and feast on your junk food of guns, flag, Bible, Ayn Rand, and whatever else fills you up but rots your brain.

August 16, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Rickyroo: Not me, pal. I get my news from the source. MSNBC.

August 16, 2012 at 12:20 p.m.
patriot1 said...

There are several reasons why a person needs a state/federal issued photo ID and voting is just one of them. If you have an elderly friend or family member who needs such an ID and you are too lazy, don't care, or for whatever reason do not want to make an effort to get them one, they can contact Adult Protective Servies and get assistance. The ID card is free.

August 16, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.
timbo said...

The only reasons that democrats don't want a picture ID to be shown is so they can cheat in elections.

They know that they can't win without dead people, illegal aliens, unregistered voters and other nefarious characters.

Cheating and lying seems to be their only tactic these days.

August 16, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.
tderng said...

Rickaroo,why don't you go fill up on Mein Kampf,Karl Marx,Dreams of my Father and whatever else rots your brain and your morals,while watching MSNBC lies.

I shall happily feast on my guns(to fight off people like you who want to take them),Flag(as a patriot should),Bible(main course)Ayn Rand(only parts of which I agree with),while watching Fox News,with some other liberal liars on msnbc ,cnn,nbc,so I know what the talking points are for the lefty liars.

August 16, 2012 at 12:38 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Good link to the Knoxnewsdotcom, patriot. Just normal Democratic tactics. Don't stop to stare folks, you may find there's more...

August 16, 2012 at 12:40 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Patriot1, then I'm assuming you will have no problem with a universal ID that some in government have been calling for? Or better yet, a micro-chip embedded just under our skin? No chance of fraud of any kind there. What better way to protect the "integrity of the ballot box" than a sub-cutaneous micro-chip?No matter what the cost, we must protect against the pernicious, wide-spread evil of VOTER FRAUD!! Oooh....creepy stuff.

August 16, 2012 at 12:40 p.m.
EaTn said...

timbo said... "The only reasons that democrats don't want a picture ID to be shown is so they can cheat in elections."

We've had election fraud with hanging chads, missing ballots, counting errors--but I've yet to see any recent statistics that prove voter fraud has swung an election. When and if a reliable source shows the justification for voter ID, then I will believe it's more than an attempt by the right wing to disenfranchise voters.

August 16, 2012 at 12:56 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Red herring. Talk about accomplishments of The Messiah. Waiting....

August 16, 2012 at 1:20 p.m.
mymy said...

Fox News has a Voter Fraud Unit: Anybody anywhere can report possible problem for investigation.

Just one report:

Anybody on LEFT or RIGHT against protecting the vote is on the wrong side of this subject.

August 16, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.
conservative said...

"York: When 1,099 felons vote in race won by 312 ballots"

"Still, that's a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn't require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud."

August 16, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.

Tu_quoque, Why did you have to go and spoil the fun with facts? I was just about to make a statement about how the only way MSNBC is considered to be a SOURCE of news is because everything they report is completely manufactured in house.

The left of this country could care less what the majority wants. Prop 8 was passed in california by the majority and the left took it to court to their activist judges and got it overturned. They are perfectly fine with the democratic process until it works against them.

August 16, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Tu_: Judge Simpson is clearly a facist, wing nut, racist.

August 16, 2012 at 2:07 p.m.
jesse said...

As a 72 year old who has to show a photo i.d. to buy a sudz showing a photo i.d. to vote is a no brainier piss ant issue!

Have never understood all the b.s. attached to this!

I am sure "the oracle from ala." will enlighten me shortly!LOL

August 16, 2012 at 2:58 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

tu_q...your comments on the constitutionality of the voter ID law are not worth spit. The poll tax in the 1930s was deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court, too, in 1937, and was supported by majority opinion. It remained in effect until 1964, when a much more enlightened Supreme Court overturned the original ruling. It stayed on the books in many states until 1966, where it was finally overturned entirely. Just because something gets majorty approval doesn't make it right. If civil rights had been left up to a majority vote, it would have taken black people many more years before they could have attained their equal rights under the law.

Jesse, since you are so agreeable to showing photo ID everywhere you go, I imagine you will be first in line when the government insists that we all have universal government-issued IDs? Or when the implanted sub-cutaneous micro-chips become obligatory?

August 16, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Rickaroo, I believe a state issued ID card is sufficient and we do not need a national card or implanted least not yet. But as the late ole "Lion of the Senate" Ted Kennedy might have said "We'll drive off that bridge when we come to it."

August 16, 2012 at 3:30 p.m.
jesse said...

Nooga ! you are like something i have to peel off my shoe sole before i can walk into the house!! Some day down the road you will have an original idea and it will short circuit your brain and send you into the twilight zone!

August 16, 2012 at 3:35 p.m.
mtngrl said...

conservative said... "York: When 1,099 felons vote in race won by 312 ballots"

That number is actually inaccurate, and for any of those votes that did get cast Voter ID laws would not have made any difference

Still not one example showing this is in any way cost effective.

August 16, 2012 at 3:53 p.m.

Mtngrl, Since when is a lefty (or a righty for that matter) worried about cost effectiveness? Are you saying anything the government does is cost effective? Name just one thing.

August 16, 2012 at 4:33 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Nooga: Ever classy. It's a low summitch that will display death humor. Those of his ilk should castigate the punk.

August 16, 2012 at 5 p.m.
SCOTTYM said...

"The Libtards are just repeating over and over how their voters are just too lazy and stupid to make a reasonable effort to get out and vote..."

This. Exactly.

August 16, 2012 at 5:15 p.m.
chatt_man said...

nooga, in your 3:16 post you wrote that you just got back from Alaska. Then in your 3:32 post you wrote that you couldn't see Alaska from your cabin or the boat you went out on. Your sorry ass can't see sh!t, can it?

It's obvious you just twist the facts around to fit your current post. That shows us the validity of your posts.

Oh, and if it helps you be more factual in the future, but I don't think it will because you must not be interested in facts, Sara Palin never said those words, it came from Tina Faye about Russia in a Sat. Night Live skit. But you probably already knew that... and write your inaccuracies anyway. You know the democratic motto...if you say it enough times, the lame stream media will pass it around as the truth.

August 16, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.
miraweb said...

When voter fraud comes up I always think of the magicians who have the pretty girl at their side so you're never looking at what their hands are actually doing. The voter ID issue, I think, is a lot like the pretty girl.

Not much voter fraud has ever occured with people going down to the high school and voting in person. Real fraudsters are not folks who like to make a lot of effort.

Massachusetts just caught the GOP electronically changing voter registrations to Republican and filling out absentee ballots in their names. Computer fraud and absentee ballots are where the game is now, not identification.

August 16, 2012 at 6:33 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Voter fraud: A red herring...move on to more important things. The Supreme Leader should be talking about his record. No wait....on second thought...

August 16, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

More of what Tu_ is talking about..........On Thursday’s edition of MSNBC’s The Cycle the group discussed Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney‘s assertion that President Obama should “take [his] campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago.” Co-host Touré saw what he believes to be explicit racial connotations beneath what Romney was saying, calling it the “N-wordization of the campaign.

“That really bothered me,” he said. “You notice he said anger twice. He’s really trying to use racial coding and access some really deep stereotypes about the angry black man. This is part of the playbook against Obama, the ‘otherization,’ he’s not like us.”

“I know it’s a heavy thing, I don’t say it lightly, but this is ‘N-wordization,’” Touré said to the apparent shock of his co-panelists. “You are not one of us, you are like the scary black man who we’ve been trained to fear.” FROM MSNBC of course.

August 16, 2012 at 7:09 p.m.
Walden said...

Toure is a POS.

August 16, 2012 at 7:09 p.m.
fairmon said...

Is it not a clue when both candidates spend most of their time talking about the other candidates short comings? This gives Romney an advantage that Obama needs to take away. Obama needs to define his accurately measurable accomplishments and his plans for the next four years. Romney needs to define his plans for the next four years. Voters could then get past all the smoke and BS and decide their preference.

August 16, 2012 at 7:14 p.m.
Walden said...

nooga - lay off the heroin pal. or maybe its just too much high gravity liberal crap beer sold in the cool part of nooga. what a poser you are.

August 16, 2012 at 8 p.m.
Walden said...

Hey nooga, you dumbass, are you trying to say that tu has a Hatteras? As in a very expensive offshore fishing boat? If so, why do you insist on calling it a Hatters. You are way too wasted to be on this site tonight.

August 16, 2012 at 8:04 p.m.
Lr103 said...

tu_quoque said... An assassin was sent from a Libtard hate group to murder members of a conservative organization and the nation’s media yawns. No … there is no media bias in this country as it has gone past bias to pure hate

RightwingNUT radio and tv hosts have been spewing out the hate for sometime now. No conservative would go on record to denounce their venom. Their hate talk inspired, gave rise to and encouraged those right wing hate groups to come out into the open. Yet they continued to remain silent. Why?

Google Bain Capital and it's ties to the de Sola and Salaverria families of Central American

August 16, 2012 at 8:10 p.m.
Walden said...

gee nooga, you sound like a real winner! a real limousine liberal! Taking advantage of someone who found himself in dire straits. Wow what a great guy you must be. You are trash. So you basically have yours, I guess, and don't want anybody else to have their's? If you are such a do-gooder liberal, why don't you sell that freaking boat and give the money to Tim Geithner? Oh, I didn't think so.

August 16, 2012 at 8:23 p.m.
Walden said...

again, nooga, lay off whatever it is you are imbibing.

August 16, 2012 at 8:25 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

nice mouth, noogies.

August 16, 2012 at 8:33 p.m.
Walden said...

nooga - did you finally pass out?

August 16, 2012 at 8:35 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Bill Maher said that blacks are poor and ride the bus since they don't have cars and that's how the republicans are trying to keep them from voting.

My question is: If the blacks are still poor after all these years voting for democrats, then why do they still vote for democrats?

Liberals obviously don't hold blacks in very high esteem.

August 16, 2012 at 8:46 p.m.
tderng said...

Give it up Walden,nooga's been drinking the kool-aid from the fountain of hate in the Democratic National Headquarters for way too long.He's now too addicted to get more than a few feet from it.Crawling back for another sip every few minutes.

August 16, 2012 at 8:53 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

WOW!! The fuc#ing liberals shut the fuc# up quick about shootings real fast!! Hypocrite bastards!

August 16, 2012 at 8:56 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

He's done nothing BUT divide the country! What a liar!! I'll say it, his ugly wife looks like a freakin' chimp!

August 16, 2012 at 9:01 p.m.
tderng said...

oh no you di-aant toes!

August 16, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.
shen said...

TO: TOES02800 said...
My question is: If the blacks are still poor after all these years voting for democrats, then why do they still vote for democrats? Liberals obviously don't hold blacks in very high esteem

Poor rural whites vote heavily conservative Repubs. Guess that means conservative Repubs don't hold poor whites in very high esteem either. You realize, don't you, poor rural whites vote heavily repub and consider themselves conservatives?

August 16, 2012 at 9:57 p.m.

Right-wingers, still doing their best to claim to be the victims, even as they bully others.

Poor things.

So tell me, why are you suddenly in favor of onerous government regulation and red-tape? Is it suddenly acceptable now? But why? Oh yes, disenfranchisement. Must have thought the time was ripe since everybody forgot the legacy of poll taxes, literacy tests and so forth.

Gerrymandering can only go so far. How long till we get arguments that only those with property deserve to vote? I wonder if they'll have the courage to try Heinlein's suggestion of government employment to vote.

Nah, that'd be legitimizing it.

But keep fighting against sufferage and actual representation. Best way to keep the elites in power. Why just look at Oregon! Just imagine if we had proportional representation! We might have more than two parties!

August 16, 2012 at 10:05 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "When 1,099 felons vote in race won by 312 ballots"

There is absolutely no credible evidence whatsoever that 1,099 convicted felons cast votes in Al Franken's election to the Senate.

Minnesota Majority is conservative watchdog movement and not an organization empowered to verify the criminal record of a soul on Earth.

There have been 113 convictions of felons who did register to vote but not all of those who registered to vote actually cast votes in 2008.

Not one Minnesota newspaper, television station, radio station, or other credible source of news and information substantiates the source you offered on the subject, but the blogosphere most certainly has copy and pasted that article.

The Washington Examiner is not a credble source. It is owned by Denver billionaire Philip Anschutz, a man who will not publish a doggone thing that is written from anything but a conservative or Republican viewpoint...period.

Three points:

1.) The vast majority of the 113 convictions were people who had been convicted of felonies, who were totally unaware that they were no allowed to vote. These were not intentionalacts of fraud.

2.) A picture I.D. in the posessions of each and every one of those felons would not have prevented so much as one of them from casting their votes. Picture I.D.'s in any state across the entire United States does not identify anyone's past including criminal convictions.

3.) Common sense should tell anyone that if felons are able to cast any votes in state elections, then state election employees are not doing their jobs in purging voter rolls of convicted felons.

Passing any law that makes people positively prove who they are is pointless in any case where a person with a proper I.D. is allowed to cast a vote that should have been prevented because that person has had his or her right to vote suspended or permanently revoked.

And more to the point, Minnesota is like just about all the other 49 states, in that not one person has been convicted of impersonating another person for the purposes of casting a vote in a state election.

Arguments raised in regard to felons casting votes in order to support any justification for providing photo I.D.'s in order to vote, are silly, pointless, and a totally different act of voter fraud, that will never be addressed or prevented by making people prove who they are when presenting themselves to a polling location.

August 16, 2012 at 10:10 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Shen: Well then, so much for your argument that only the "repubs" benefit from voter I.D. laws. You just shot your own argument in the ass.

August 16, 2012 at 10:48 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Case closed on Obama cutting medicare. He did. And gets a free pass from the biased press.

August 16, 2012 at 10:57 p.m.
lightkeeper said...
<p>@Toes..If Michelle Obama look like a chimp as you say, I bet she still look better than your orangutan lookin mammy you stupid idiotic need to shut the f#@k up

August 16, 2012 at 10:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...


No one said that only Republicans will benefit from voter I.D. laws. These laws will significantly disenfranchise EVERYONE without the specific identification. However, minority groups are statistically more impoverished and those groups historically vote Democrat. Shen's argument still stands. And you're still a moron.

As for your video,

Medicare is actually saving $716 billion. It's not necessarily a "cut". You fiscal Conservatives should jump all over this. Your new pal, Paul Ryan, is all for those "cuts".

August 16, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Hey lightsleeper!!" FUC# YOU!! LITTLE PUNK WORM!!

August 16, 2012 at 11:20 p.m.
lightkeeper said...

@TOE HOE...FU#k you and your mammy for having you, you Hamilton county hillbilly SOB. I don't believe in abortions , but if I were your delivery doctor, I would have told your ugly mammy to cross her legs when you were coming out so she would break your fu#king prejudice neck b%tch.

August 17, 2012 at 12:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

Does anyone really believe that requiring a photo ID will have any impact on the election results? What is the number projected as not able to vote as a result? What are the words in the constitution that guarantees everyone the right and opportunity to vote? Why is the vote not held for two days on a non-holiday week end? The percentage of eligible voters voting is ridiculously low but watching some interviews of those eligible indicates maybe they shouldn't vote.

August 17, 2012 at 4:18 a.m.
jesse said...


You guys need to reference the "oracle from Ala." as to proper conduct on this place!!LOL Don't get mad,get even!!

August 17, 2012 at 4:31 a.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "I'll say it, his ugly wife looks like a freakin' chimp!"

If it were not against my personal beliefs that God loves even people with severe personality disorders, I would hope that you suffer some horribly disfiguring accident and would be forced to live out the rest of your life enduring that which you just bestowed upon a woman who has personally done nothing to deserve such a baseless, childish, and racially charged assessment from you.

You just made my personal troll list, which I'm sure will not bother you one iota. A person who would offer that kind of totally disrespectful remark has no conscience whatsover, nor an ounce of shame.

From my perspective, a person who would offer that kind of remark about anyone, much less the First Lady of this nation, deserves no future recognition for anything they offer in the form of debate on any subject. This will be my last communication to you in this forum.

Politics, or more to the point, disagreements surrounding politics, most certainly does tend to bring out the worst in some people.

Take a bow, for you Sir just hit a new low.

I for one find the First Lady to be quite attractive, well spoken, intelligent, and a true Lady in all respects.

It has always been my observation in life that people who tend to make personal comments towards others for being "ugly" or liken a person to an animal, most often are lacking in self-esteem due to one or more physical traits that lend them to lead a lifestyle of eternal virginity and are doomed to an existence of self-pleasure.

You are a grade A, perfect, sphincter muscle surrounding a large void.

August 17, 2012 at 4:37 a.m.
alprova said...

harp3339 wrote: "Does anyone really believe that requiring a photo ID will have any impact on the election results?"

There are many people hoping that it will, but it will backfire just like every other attempt that has been made to disenfranchise Democratic voters in the past.

Every move has a counter-move. And right now as we speak, there are many people working to assist people meet the requirements of obtaining photo I.D., to satisfy the farce perpetrated that there exists any meaningful instance of voter fraud across the entire nation, that providing photo I.D. will prevent.

Every time that the Republicans move to limit votes that they know will go against them, it just plain pisses off more people and it empowers them to do more to counter their efforts, and they lose votes rather than gain them every time.

"What is the number projected as not able to vote as a result?"

The projected evidence shows that unchecked, the largest group affected would be millions of African-Americans, who due to the circumstances of their birth in this country before 1964, are unable to obtain state sanctioned documentation that would be acceptable proof of their birth.

Birth certificates prior to 1964 for African-Americans, especially in the South, were the exception and not the rule.

"What are the words in the constitution that guarantees everyone the right and opportunity to vote?"

We've covered that many times in this forum. The Constitution and its relevant Amendments refer to a "right to vote" five times. If it does not exist, then why any reference to it in the Constitution?

"Why is the vote not held for two days on a non-holiday week end?"

Why not over a period of 7 days? For years, I have heard others claim that the traditional voting day of Tuesday of the calendar week was instituted way back when as a means to inhibit people who worked for a living from making it to the polls.

Many states have made recent changes to expand the number of days in which voting can take place. I think everyone appreciates it too. The movement by both parties should be to expand voter participation, rather than to mischeviously find ways to limit it.

It probably won't ever happen, as some people have suggested today, but one can only imagine the howls coming from the religious conservatives in this nation, if legislation were passed that provided a law that in order to vote, a microchip implanted under the skin of every person's hand would have to be scanned for identification purposes.

That would be poetic justice, but like most other instances of poetic justice, revenge rarely finds its mark.

August 17, 2012 at 5:44 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "The percentage of eligible voters voting is ridiculously low but watching some interviews of those eligible indicates maybe they shouldn't vote."

Even the most uninformed among us has the right to vote, and that right should forever and a day not be infringed upon for any reason whatsoever.

Otherwise, why the hell would it do anyone at all any good to believe in our electoral process for one second? Whatever happened to "may the best candidate win" philosophy?

Has our electoral process degenerated to the point that the candidate who tells the most convincing lies about their opponent, and the political party that operates the most deceptively to manipulate the voting process, only deserves to win an election?

Does true and and pure competition by participants, with strict adherance to long established rules of conduct, only belong on a football field?

Morality by those claiming to exhibit it the most in this nation has taken a deep dive off a very steep cliff and dishonesty is at an all time high. There are many people who need to be totally ashamed of themselves, but I fear that shame is a moral component that far too many have all but abandoned altogether.

August 17, 2012 at 5:45 a.m.
jesse said...

Hey toes! Alprova just nailed your ass to THE WALL!! I ain't believin he said sumpin i agree with BUT there you go! As far as looks go i agree w/al! good lookin woman! Attitude not so much but ain't nobody perfect!

August 17, 2012 at 6:32 a.m.
dude_abides said...

toes... the typical right wing TFP poster.

August 17, 2012 at 7:48 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Alpo, says there are numerous references in the constitution that guarantees a right to vote....however there are NONE. The constitution leaves it up to the individual states to decide how to choose electors to the electoral college. There are ammendments which prohibit discrimination based on age, race and gender during elections but no right to vote in a federal election. If Tennessee wanted to choose its electors based on the results of a bass tournament, it is free to do so.

August 17, 2012 at 8:29 a.m.
fairmon said...

Alprova responded.....

Even the most uninformed among us has the right to vote, and that right should forever and a day not be infringed upon for any reason whatsoever.

Did you read the comment? I didn't suggest they shouldn't have the right to vote only that it may be best if they don't. Some don't even know who the current president and VP or other key cabinet members are.

Alprova went on to say.....

Does true and and pure competition by participants, with strict adherance to long established rules of conduct, only belong on a football field?

What might those rules be? It appears both parties are ignoring the truth. There are penalties for ignoring the rules on a football field, what are the penalties for violation in politics?

Alprova commented....

Has our electoral process degenerated to the point that the candidate who tells the most convincing lies about their opponent, and the political party that operates the most deceptively to manipulate the voting process, only deserves to win an election?

Are you suggesting Obama's team is not [articipating? Obama did win over Hillary. In my ipinion he did just what you describe and beat the more qualified candidate.

August 17, 2012 at 8:42 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

This thread has stooped to new low.

August 17, 2012 at 9:04 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "What might those rules be?"

A couple of good rules that should be enforced might include;

1.) Candidates shall at all times refrain from personal attacks on the character of their opponents.

2.) Candidates shall at all times refrain from intentionally misrepresenting facts that are well established as such.

"Are you suggesting Obama's team is not participating? Obama did win over Hillary. In my ipinion he did just what you describe and beat the more qualified candidate."

The President has indeed been guilty of issuing untruths just like any other political candidate. I may be all wet, but as I recall, Barack Obama led a rather positive campaign with a few exceptions in 2008. Hillary was equal to the task of going for the throat of her opponents, and despite your position on Hillary, the country just wasn't ready to turn over the reigns of the nation to her.

It was Barack Obama's positive campaign that led him to the White House, despite any and all assessments of the man today.

The more people attack the man, the more other people are determined to vote for him. This cycle, the man has been under constant attack and he has been forced to retalliate.

And again, I remind people that the longer Mitt Romeny whines about people making guesses about what is contained in those tax returns that he so lovingly clutches close to his breast, without allowing anyone to gaze upon them, the more those guesses are hitting a mark.

He is his own worst enemy at this point and people are not going to let the issue subside. Even Paul Ryan, who is not running for President, has agreed to release six years of his returns.

August 17, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
mymy said...

81 Days to go.

Even many of the right refuses to understand who the real Obama is. Oh, just the wrong policies. It is a lot deeper than just wrong polices, but why these policies. Wish some would read a few pages of this book. This was my fear before election and confirmed in a short time after Obama was sworn in. Obama is trying to destroy this country and too many refuse to accept it. Too Bad!

August 17, 2012 at 9:32 a.m.
fairmon said...

Alpro said....

It probably won't ever happen, as some people have suggested today, but one can only imagine the howls coming from the religious conservatives in this nation, if legislation were passed that provided a law that in order to vote, a microchip implanted under the skin of every person's hand would have to be scanned for identification purposes.

That would be poetic justice, but like most other instances of poetic justice, revenge rarely finds its mark.

Rest assured the chip is coming or Iris of the eye ID in the not too distant future. Not only to vote but to make purchases. The justification will be counterfeiting, drug trafficking, black markets, gun control, working for cash without paying taxes etc. Chine and Japan both working on computers that will handle the demand.

August 17, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

..In late July, John Hynansky — a longtime friend of Vice President Joe Biden, and a major donor to Biden’s campaigns as well as President Barack Obama’s — was awarded a $20 million taxpayer loan to build a foreign-car dealership in Ukraine.

Read more:

....Your tax dollars at work....clearly vital U.S. interests involved here. Bwahaha ..Sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying.

August 17, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
mymy said...

Agree Jack. Unbelievable how dumbed down many of the American people have become.

Willing to let somebody destroy this country for a promised hand out! When you kill the goose that lays the golden egg, what do you get: nothing.

August 17, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "In late July, John Hynansky — a longtime friend of Vice President Joe Biden, and a major donor to Biden’s campaigns as well as President Barack Obama’s — was awarded a $20 million taxpayer loan to build a foreign-car dealership in Ukraine."

This type of reporting defines the very reason why Fox News and the Daily Caller cannot be depended upon for relating facts.

August 17, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

IF you're correct, Alpo, I would admit it was MSNBC tactics.

August 17, 2012 at 10:57 a.m.
jen1972 said...

I am utterly and completely appalled at the hate and vitriol that some posters are spewing here. What is wrong with you? Are you proud of yourselves?

August 17, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I don't care what you say. Moochelle is a mooch that thinks the world owes her a life of luxury. Now that she's first lady, she feels "for the first time", a little proud of her country.

August 17, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Not much more hate than some of the reelect Obama campaign ads.

August 17, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Isn't it funny how the liberals are horrified at the mention of voter I.D. laws, but yet say nothing about the new black panthers hanging out in front of polling places with billy clubs yelling how they want to "kill every white cracker baby".

Very selective you liberals.

August 17, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
lightkeeper said...
<p>@TOES......Wish the black panthers could get hold to your racist behind at one of the polling places. I respect everyone's opinion in this forum except you, theres a difference between opinion and hate speech, and I would advise anyone else on here to completly ignore your stupidity....and you still need to shut the F#CK up!!!

August 17, 2012 at 12:02 p.m.
mymy said...

lightkeeper said.....: and you still need to shut the F#CK up!!!

Sorry, it is not gona happen but......

Toes: I laughed out loud at the Bane headline early this a.m. then doubled over LOL when I saw the Chicago Style classless marker.

August 17, 2012 at 12:12 p.m.
lightkeeper said...
<p>@mymy...since when did you become that idiot toes spokesman..."but" I don't care about your stupid opinions either and I can shut him up once and for mind your own business

August 17, 2012 at 12:17 p.m.
lightkeeper said...

@tu kookoo......YAWN

August 17, 2012 at 12:31 p.m.
mymy said...


What's wrong in the world: You and Obama’s Chicago thug style tactics!

The MSM liberal moderators will have their hands full protecting O in the debates, but they are good at it. It helps that the base is so dumb and believe that The ONE is their savior. It will be a waste of time just like all the lies and distractions O and co. are throwing out to keep from talking about HIS record. How much longer is that going to work?

August 17, 2012 at 1 p.m.
Easy123 said...


"I guess it is because one of your own Libtard groups sent this POS over to the FRC to assassinate your political opponents."

Prove it.

"You always try to connect this type of violence to Conservatives but now that we have an incident that is directly connected to your side you can’t seem to be able to comment on it."

That type of violence isn't always connected to Conservatives. It just so happens that the majority of attacks that have happened before this were by Conservatives and/or Christians.

"I think the Southern Poverty Law Center should be designated as a terrorist group for their efforts to instigate atrocities like this."

SPLC instigated nothing. "Atrocities"? One security guard got shot in the arm and it's an "atrocity"? Stop reaching so much. You might pull a muscle.

"If this is the way you respond to evil on your side then just STFU about this type of thing in the future."

The guy was caught very quickly and luckily only one was hurt. No one is advocating violence like this. You're blowing it out of proportion because you think it will demonize Liberals in some way. It doesn't. It makes your argument less convincing because of your tremendous bias.

No one will STFU about this type of thing in the future. :-)

August 17, 2012 at 1:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Even Hillary rebuffs The Messiah:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was pressed by her husband and a top Obama aide to consider replacing Vice President Joe Biden just a couple of weeks ago, claims the author of the New York Times bestseller "The Amateur."

But Clinton, exhausted from four years of international travel and diplomacy, shrugged off the suggestion to lay the groundwork for her own 2016 bid with her husband at her side, according to author Ed Klein.

"As recently as a couple of weeks ago, the White House was putting out feelers to see if Hillary Clinton was interested in replacing Joe Biden on the ticket," Klein told Secrets. "Bill Clinton, I'm told, was urging his wife to accept the number two spot if it was formally offered. Bill sees the vice presidency as the perfect launching pad for Hillary to run for president in 2016."

August 17, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
lightkeeper said...

@tu_koo koo...You sound as if your enjoying it being a liberal attacking conservatives, (because it is usually a republican conservative skinhead ect.) that displays that type of behavior and thats sick. What democrat have you heard condoning that type of violence at the Family Research Center, I want you to post it and prove it. I certainly don't condone anyone being hurt or killed no matter how much I disagree with their extremism. (unless its Toes)Or are you like some of these other kooks on here that have built up hatred and vent it out in the TFP forum.

August 17, 2012 at 1:22 p.m.
lightkeeper said...

@tu koo koo....I got your jump bad on here I wish I could catch you somewhere prejudice SOB.

August 17, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.
joneses said...

What liberals do not want you to know.

HERE'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER: Columnist Andrew McCarthy gives us what probably is the most important question regarding the upcoming presidential election: If Mitt wins the nomination, I will enthusiastically support his candidacy. For my friends who have hesitation on that score, I'd just ask you to keep four things in mind: 1.. Justice Scalia just turned 78 2.. Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year 3.. Justice Breyer will be 76 in August 4.. Justice Ginsburg turned 81 about a week ago. In addition, Justice Ginsburg has Pancreatic Cancer. Justice Stephens has already said he would retire and is just waiting for Obama to be reelected. The next president could appoint as many as 4 new Justices over next 8 years. This election is about more than ObamaCare Tax. We wish them all well, of course, but the brute fact is that whoever we elect as president in November is almost certainly going to choose at least one new member of the Supreme Court, in addition to hundreds of other life-tenured federal judges, all of whom will be making momentous decisions about our lives for decades to come. If you don't think it matters whether the guy making those calls is Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, I think you're smokin' something funky. So for anybody who is thinking of not voting because your favorite didn't get nominated, or writing in a candidate who can't win, imagine this: SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ERIC HOLDER? After you have stopped gasping, kindly copy, paste and forward this to your list of concerned citizens.....

August 17, 2012 at 1:34 p.m.
lightkeeper said...
<p>@Jonstupid...All that crap you post on here means NOTHING. Everyone knows you type of conservatives are nothing but a bunch of radical right wing extremist thats why Obama won the last election and he's going to WIN again.

August 17, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.

I nominate Joneses for the Supreme Court.

It'll be the best Senate hearing Ever!

C-Span's ratings will probably reach a 40-share.

August 17, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...


Who is this "Justice Stephens" you speak of? Justice Ginsberg had a early stage tumor removed in 2009.

You might want to review your propaganda before you copy and paste it next time.

August 17, 2012 at 1:47 p.m.
lightkeeper said...

@tu koo koo..You have the nerve to talk about someone saying somthing got Biden beat by a country mile

August 17, 2012 at 1:51 p.m.
Easy123 said...


Biden's statement had nothing to do with slavery. He said Republicans wanted to "unchain Wall Street" and "put ya'll back in chains".

"In an interview with People magazine on Wednesday, Obama said Biden's remarks meant consumers would be worse off if Republicans succeeded in doing away with new restraints on financial institutions."

And since when is the word "ya'll" condescending? That's a commonly used word in the South.

Keep reaching, sweetie! :-)

August 17, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...


I don't think any dogs post on this site. You might want to take your message out into the community. And dogs don't have to be "bad azz" to chase cars. Dogs chase things. It's instinct. It has nothing to do with trying to be "bad azz".

Just a heads up in case you had any more moronic metaphors or threats.

August 17, 2012 at 2:01 p.m.
lightkeeper said...

You got that wrong Easy....tu koo koo is the dog and a prejudice one, can't you tell he's always sniffin up Toes butt

August 17, 2012 at 2:05 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who has twice survived cancer and is regularly subject to speculation about her retirement plans, said Thursday she recently received a clean bill of health."

"Ginsburg has said she at least wants to match the tenure of Justice Louis Brandeis, who retired at age 82 in 1939. That would get her to 2015."

Would you like to try again?

August 17, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Tu_ makes good sense. Liberals are mystifyingly out of touch with common sense. Most are old enough to know better. Easy123, alas, is not.

August 17, 2012 at 3:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...


If by "makes good sense" you mean, "copies and pastes nearly entire articles", then you hit the nail on the head. And you're still "mystifyingly" ignorant after ALL this time. But I'm sure your dementia won't allow those facts to set firmly in your brain. Take the Gertitol BEFORE you post. :-)

August 17, 2012 at 3:21 p.m.
kcb said...

test test

August 17, 2012 at 3:31 p.m.
lightkeeper said...
Its unbelievable that some of you right wing conservative repub-lie-con kooks are still trying to justify yourselvs and the repub-lie-con agenda that no one with any sense would even begin to listen to. If it were not for the repub-lie-cons and George What the F@#ck Bush, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place and you're trying to copy and past yourselves to justification and blaming Democrats and liberals is hillarious...its not that much copy and past in the world.
August 17, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
lightkeeper said...

It is unbelievable that some of you right wing conservative repub-lie-cons are still trying to justify yourselves with the repub-lie-con agenda. If it wasn't for George What The F#@k Bush and the repub-lie-con agenda we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place and all you can do is cut and paste websites to try to prove a point and blame Democrats and Liberals is hillarious, its not that much cutting and pasting in the world

August 17, 2012 at 3:52 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"But the most vivid accusation is that Romney’s ruthless business practices were responsible for the closing of a firm, the loss of a couple’s health insurance and thus the death of a woman from cancer...which represents the crossing of an ethical line." - tu_quoque

Oh, the moral outrage! - a political ad has crossed "an ethical line." Are you kidding me?? There is nothing ethical about political ads anyway. They all lie and distort the truth. If you think that one ad has somehow crossed a line that has never before been crossed by either party, you are either pitifully naive or just a dupe for anything and everything conservative. But then, I already know what a dupe you are for the conservative mindset.

There is NOTHING that compares to the stench of innocent blood on Bush's hands from his lies about Iraq in making his phony case for going to war. There is ample evidence that he did not merely act on faulty intelligence but cherry-picked and lied outright to make his case. Where was/is your moral outrage over that? He did not cross an ethical line? And what of the "death panels" that the Republicans claimed are part and parcel of ObamaCare? Bald-faced lies. But no crossing of an ethical line there, eh? If you say that they only implied as such, well, the political ad of which you speak only IMPLIED as well.

But you focus on this singular political ad as if it is the equivalent of murder itself. Crossing "an ethical line," my ass. You crossed the line of sense and sanity a long time ago.

August 17, 2012 at 3:54 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Rickyroo. Need I point out that a majority of Dems voted for Dubya's war?

August 17, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.
lightkeeper said...
<p>@Jack_Dummy...I guess the Democrats like myself really didn't realize what a big lier Dubya and repub-lie-cons really are

August 17, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.
raygunz said...

Just so you know who put up "Biden's Buddies' loan",

OPIC is the U.S. Government’s development finance institution. It mobilizes private capital to help solve critical world challenges and in doing so, advances U.S. foreign policy. Because OPIC works with the U.S. private sector, it helps U.S. businesses gain footholds in emerging markets, catalyzing revenues, jobs and growth opportunities both at home and abroad. OPIC achieves its mission by providing investors with financing, guarantees, political risk insurance, and support for private equity investment funds.

Established as an agency of the U.S. Government in 1971, OPIC operates on a self-sustaining basis at no net cost to American taxpayers. OPIC services are available for new and expanding business enterprises in more than 150 countries worldwide. To date, OPIC projects have generated $74 billion in U.S. exports and supported more than 275,000 American jobs.

August 17, 2012 at 4:53 p.m.
raygunz said...

Jack_Dennis said...

Rickyroo. Need I point out that a majority of Dems voted for Dubya's war?

Jack,are you so senile that you've forgotten how that war was sold to America?

August 17, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.
joneses said...

Hussein Obama is now saying he is considering tapping into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to lower gas prices. So basically Hussein Obama is saying that if you put more oil on the market it will lower prices. The sad part is he is not doing it to help the American citizen. He is doing it because he is a narcissist SOB that only cares about holding onto the private jet, helicopter and the big white house he resides in.

August 17, 2012 at 5:21 p.m.
mymy said...

Again, it’s the economy stupid’s!

Try watching Cavuto’s financial show 4pm on Fox News or 8pm Fox Bus. Channel. The debt grew 30.5 BILLION this week. We cannot just tax our way out of this. Spending must be seriously cut. To do that the economy has got to get moving and it is not. O's policies have not worked! So, try listening to some bus. talk.

He does not coddle either side!

August 17, 2012 at 5:22 p.m.
mymy said...

Rising cost of gas means the economy is getting worse. The cost to consumers (inflation) is growing more every day on everyting we buy.

August 17, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett recycles his brain cell once again. At least the democrats are now admitting that they need the weakest minds in America to rally for Obama this November. That is some pretty sharp company that the libs run with.

August 17, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

raygunz: are you easy123? Just as infantile.

August 17, 2012 at 5:50 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Tu_ Plugs Biden seeming is made of teflon. Gaffe after gaffe and he seemingly suffers no consequences. Getting his buddy connected with OPIC will get little, if any, coverage from the press. Yet more free passes for the Supreme One's administration. Truly astounding.

August 17, 2012 at 7:04 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Lightsaber must have jockular itch. Either that or Obama forgot to load his welfare card for August. What a pathetic little piece of humanoid scum. He obviously has a fettish with my "mammy" as well. God rest her soul.

August 17, 2012 at 10:10 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Obama 'trolls' for softer press"

Pussy in chief

August 17, 2012 at 10:22 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Four more years of this?

And why hasn't Obama held a press conference in eight weeks?

And why are the democrats wanting to bar questions on the budget during the debates?

And liberals say that Ryan's plan is extreme? I say the democrat held senate not passing a budget in four years is much more extreme. Along with Obama spending $5 trillion in four years.

That's MUCH more extreme than anything Ryan proposes.

August 17, 2012 at 10:29 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The dems are skeert.

August 17, 2012 at 11:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

It's gonna kill you rotten pigs when Obama gets reelected. It's pretty pathetic when you add up all the hours you people devote to keeping your racist engines tuned up. Especially when the voting that will happen in this area is a forgone conclusion. You're like little white trash kids splashing in the driveway mud while momma's in the house "paying the rent" without protection.

August 17, 2012 at 11:34 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Nice mouth, dude. Where do you get off calling people racist? You mullets claiming the moral high-ground make me puke.

August 17, 2012 at 11:44 p.m.

Finally developing a conscience or just the result of not following government food safety recommendations because you know better?

August 18, 2012 at 10:50 p.m.
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