published Tuesday, August 28th, 2012

Coach Mariakis

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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carlB said...

Are the people not aware of the pressure that religious groups put on the Teachers/Coaches or even whether they get hired if they have not voted "correctly" or go to the "right Church"?

August 28, 2012 at 12:37 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

No, Carl. Explain.

August 28, 2012 at 12:45 a.m.
fairmon said...

carlB

Do you have credible specific examples. People are not without recourse in such matters. There are several government resources that would assist anyone for free that experienced such illegal activity in a publicly funded school.

The 'toons must be avoiding the economy and candidates subject until after the conventions.

August 28, 2012 at 4:43 a.m.
alprova said...

The fundamental truth is that no matter which man is in the White House come January of next year, the economy will continue to improve all by itself, which is what it is doing as we speak.

The next two weeks are going to be highlighted by speeches and rallying for both candidates. And everyone who steps up to those podiums will be laying it on thick.

Then we'll have another month of touring the country filled with pokes and jabs, some that will hit, and some that will miss.

Come October, there will be three fun-filled debates, where the people will see the candidates stand toe to toe, and depending on how each man comes across, people who are weary and sick to death of campaign rhetoric, will start to make their selections.

As near as I can tell, nobody who debates in this forum has any personal gripe about the economy. Everyone seems to be gainfully employed or retired and doing just fine.

And that holds true for most all Americans. Most of us are doing just fine. A quarter to a fifth of the nation may not be doing so well. But they must not be doing all that bad, for I have yet to read of one person dying on a sidewalk from a lack of food. No one seems to have captured a photo anywhere of all these alleged homeless families, evicted from their homes, aimlessly walking the streets in search of shelter.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure that there are people having difficulties, and there are lots of folks who were far better off three or four years ago. I'm one of them. But things are slowly improving and the I give no credit to, or take any credit away from, whomever is in charge of the White House at any given moment.

So, if by some stretch of luck, Mitt Romney pulls it off, and he is elected President, my life will go on like it always has, just like everyone else's does...one day at a time.

August 28, 2012 at 6:25 a.m.
degage said...

Bennett is in a slump, can't think of anything new , he keeps going back to the the same topics we have all beat to death.

Al, off subject and like Bennett you are saying the same things over and over again. Gets old.

August 28, 2012 at 6:53 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Carl - apparently Tennessee is no different from southern Idaho/Utah, Riyahd or the ultra conservative neighborhoods in Jerusalem.

August 28, 2012 at 7:20 a.m.
MTJohn said...

alprova said..."The fundamental truth is that no matter which man is in the White House come January of next year, the economy will continue to improve all by itself, which is what it is doing as we speak."

Improve for whom, Al? The economy will always work for those who own our government and those who own our government could care less. This election is not about whether the economy will improve but whether the electorate will allow the owners to claim an even larger percentage of the shares.

August 28, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.
328Kwebsite said...

Having met Mark Mariakis years ago, I cannot help but think that these things he is accused of are presented out of balance.

What is the difference between having an active FCA program and these descriptions of "oppression"?

When these people complained, they complained in a way that Mark Mariakis cannot fairly respond. The Times-Free Press, including this cartoonist above, have probably failed to directly communicate with Mark Mariakis to get his side of the story. Now that they have lampooned him and editorialized against him, how could he do much else but be quiet and take it?

Unprofessional conduct and intellectual failures on the part of this paper are directly responsible for their imbalanced presentation of this issue. Where is a single quote from Mark Mariakis?

I met Mark Mariakis over 20 years ago when he was my teacher. He was a kind person who taught Science classes. Now look at how he is being treated. Apparently no one bothered to ask him what happened.

No one bothered to try to get the initial problems resolved. Instead, they just whined about how their rights were being trampled, and then Mark Mariakis was publicly victimized. It's the kind of horror story conduct normally reserved for Rupert Murdoch's UK tabloids.

Editors at the paper can exercise leadership and put a stop to the professional embarrassment of their conduct by actually doing the primary research to conduct an interview. It might involve sitting down, face to face, with the person who has not been sued, indicted or accused in court of anything. Instead, he has only been persecuted through the paper's imbalanced and unreasonable presentation of one side of the opinions at hand.

We have seen a categorical failure of the Times Free Press to conduct basic research. Do something beside insult a man who has spent over 20 years of teaching without a problem until now.

What did he do? Take some football players to Shoney's for breakfast? Get real.

Get a reporter out of the chair and make them walk over there and face Mark Mariakis. When you get there, ask questions that are pointed but fair. Give him a chance to tell his side of the story. So far, we can see, from the paper's own reporting and editorializing, that they have failed to do this. Get it done.

The claims at hand are too serious, and will have too great an impact on one teacher's life, for the Times-Free Press to continue to fail to accurately and fairly report observable facts. Instead, we see them only republishing unresearched and unsubstantiated accusations from a letter. Why do those accusations stick? I suppose that it's some sort of social prejudice based on the stereotype of football coaches and high school teachers. The problem at hand is that Mark Mariakis, the man, the person accused of all this, doesn't fit that stereotype.

Fix the story by conducting basic research for a change. You have got it wrong again.

August 28, 2012 at 7:30 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Did Rhea County really spend $120,000 to lose a case like this? I would think those concerned would start a "Tebow Fund" to give those who feel strongly about this subject a chance to prove it. Surely there are 1200 Walker County residents who would pony up $100 each to get things rolling. Or maybe the individual churches could divide up the costs. Get twelve churches involved and they only spend $10,000 each. I'm quite sure they would agree that there's no better way for them to spend their money.

August 28, 2012 at 7:31 a.m.
LibDem said...

Young people need to learn to go along with the crowd. The crowd is always right.

August 28, 2012 at 7:37 a.m.
dude_abides said...

328K... Your defense of the coach is commendable, but did you really just try to pin "Mr. Fox News" Rupert Murdoch on the left?

August 28, 2012 at 7:37 a.m.
328Kwebsite said...

Look at Murdoch's paper's tactics against regulating Ministers of Parliament in the UK phone hacking scandal. Look at this paper's conduct in this one. It's the same thing.

If they can only present one side of the issue, and say things that are hurtful and personally damaging by repeating hearsay: that's how it is done.

Where are the court documents that substantiate these allegations? There are no criminal charges to observe. This is just an amped-up retelling of someone's opinion of a teacher. The editors and reporters here accepted that; and now they are using this paper to ruin him.

On one hand we see a letter, submitted to the public, alleging bad behavior. It cites severe descriptions of oppression that could come from harsh confrontations or from taking the kids to breakfast. We see no balancing, corroborating information in there at all.

No identified witnesses. No firsthand observations from reporters. No follow-up interviews with anyone directly involved besides the providers of this hearsay. Who saw this happen? Who was there? Who really felt their rights were being infringed? When they felt their rights were being infringed, did they say or do anything? Were there any attempts to resolve this at all?

There is no reply from the teacher, Mark Mariakis. Instead of citing his job description as a public employee, which would be teacher or instructor or something like that, we see him called a coach. No mention of his other successes or responsibilities.

Pretty much, I dare the entire newspaper staff to present any evidence that they have done anything at all to interview Mark Mariakis. Notice how they haven't even published a denial or refusal from him to reply. My guess is that they have not even tried to do their jobs. Instead, they just sided with these accusers and lampooned this teacher, above. This matter has been published about and editorialized against several times now: not one quote or response from the person accused.

And, let's keep in mind that the "accusation" is nothing more than an opinion letter.

An interview with Mark Mariakis: let's see it.

August 28, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.
rogerdodger said...

Hey Alpo, just so you know unemployment contiues to grow, gas and food prices are getting higher by the day. Just where is the economy getting better? Only in your mind I guess. It is a true shame that cartoon boy is just like Obama and refuses to talk about real topics. But if they did it would only show is failures as the (cough cough) President. I mean he has done wonders for the muslim brotherhood.

August 28, 2012 at 7:59 a.m.
MTJohn said...

328k - it's not the coach but the school board that is on the hook and, at least according to the article that is the back story for this cartoon, the school officials aren't talking.

August 28, 2012 at 8:04 a.m.
NGAdad said...

Hello, know Walker County and the CCS (Gordon Lee et al) from 16 years of my daughters' education. The School Boards act above the Law because the area pastors do pressure them to do so. The Boards fear the next weeks sermon to their nutcase congregations.

In Chickamauga, Georgia the problem at one required graduation ceremony was that they " pushed the propaganda" ( GW Bush style) of religion sooo hard they forgot to ever congratulate the students for all their effort and dedication. That was noticed by nearly all my daughters friends, they felt dissed and ignored.

Fortunately, my daughter and her friends discounted these fools many years ago and have found the strength to move FORWARD without the lame religious dogma shackles. This whole thing is why the next generation will have no loyalty to the churches.

August 28, 2012 at 8:45 a.m.
KnottaHero said...

Is Clay trying to say that he thinks Obama wasn't born in the US?

August 28, 2012 at 8:48 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The left in general, and Clay-bulbs specifically, are over-reaching on this one.

August 28, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
mymy said...

70 Days to Go!

Oh, how easily it is to distract the sheep.

Any subject other than Obama’s record. It’s still the economy/job!

TO the lefties especially Easy Breezy:

Anita Moncrief isn’t your ordinary Republican voter.

During the 2008 election, Moncrief supported Hillary Clinton and then Barack Obama. But now, she speaks to tea party groups, calls President Obama a “socialist” and has come to call herself a “non-liberal.”

She attributes her ideological shift to what she saw and was exposed to as an employee for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, better known by its acronym, ACORN.

Moncrief testified against the now defunct organization in 2008 in a lawsuit filed against it by the Pennsylvania Republican Party.

A writer, blogger, activist and mom, Moncrief is affiliated with True the Vote and has been disowned by some of her own family for her newfound beliefs. The Daily Caller’s Ginni Thomas recently spoke with Moncrief about the efforts by the left to divide America along race, class and gender, why the left wants to grow government dependency and the price she has paid for changing her worldview.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/26/leaders-with-ginni-thomas-anita-moncrief-acorn-whistle-blower/#ixzz24qaRGvTq

August 28, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
rogerdodger said...

What a great guy this Obama is, putting people on the streets for his donors. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/08/28/3483125/agencies-create-plan-for-families.html

August 28, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
MarkB said...

Maybe an organization seeking freedom from religion shouldn't try so desperately to look for it. If the coach and players want to pray and you don't like it don't go to the games. It's their show, if you don't like it don't watch it. Freedom of speech is protected in almost every other instance other than Christianity. Burn the flag, slaughter a goat but don't pray whatever you do! That is, unless planes crash into the twin towers or there's a mass shooting. Then it's occasionally acceptable. Believe it or not some people similar to this coach hold some things even higher than politics.

August 28, 2012 at 10:09 a.m.

Very interesting, 328Kwebsite. Thanks for pointing out that their attempts to report more than one side of this issue is non-existent. This is becoming their trademark. The issue of balancing the two religion clauses of the First Amendment requires more careful consideration than a tabloid like the CTFP or a MAD Magazine cartoonist will be able to handle. In the tabloid media, profits are everything. Profit margins for newspapers are getting ever thinner, and sensationalism sells papers. Read (or don’t read) them accordingly.

August 28, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

MarkB: Anyone leaning toward religion is anathema to the Left. The Left, the tolerant...funny huh?

August 28, 2012 at 10:16 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Anyone leaning toward supporting rights for women, homosexuality, gun control, welfare, food stamps, the First Amendment, religions other than Christianity, atheism, science, evolution, gay rights, abortion, the poor and middle class, global warming, alternative/clean energy, women's reproductive health and rights, the government, public school, college... is anathema to the Right. The Right, the intolerant and moronic...true, huh?

August 28, 2012 at 11 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: Are you at day-care?

August 28, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
Walden said...

If I were Coach Mariakis, I would drive down to the TFP this morning and punch Clay Bennett's lights out.

August 28, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
carlB said...

The wearing of "two hats" is a must if your job depends on it.

Jack_Dennis and harp3339 Reply; how about you all giving me some examples that, selection of or not selecting of a religious preference and how the people vote does not determine the hiring and firing of people in the work place.
As you all know Tennessee is a "right to work" State. Even with that, it is still against the law to hire and fire based on religious or political preferences. It would be a "rare find" If you can find any written data relating to the hiring and firing based on religious or political beliefs instead of qualifications

alprova said... "The fundamental truth is that no matter which man is in the White House come January of next year, the economy will continue to improve all by itself, which is what it is doing as we speak."

Reply: alprova, I have to disagree with your opinion on how/what the economy the would do if the Republicans got back into control. The reason of this disagreement is based on the history of what the Republicans did in the 1929 great depression and what their attitude and their arrogance in obstructing President Obama's policies and also against what the role of our governments' should have been during the 1929 depression what the roles of government should be during the 2007 deep recession, in preventing another great depression.

August 28, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
mymy said...

Easy you are one dumb dumb. All those issues mean nothing when it comes to this country surviving the damage done to this country by the left/progressives especially Obama. They sure know how to keep their base down on the farm and concentrating on the wrong issues.

There are some trying to keep us all from being enslaved by government!

August 28, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

yeah, Carl. And the Pubs hate minorities, women, and clean water. Right?

August 28, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
alprova said...

rogerdodger wrote: "Hey Alpo, just so you know unemployment contiues to grow, gas and food prices are getting higher by the day."

Unemployment is not "growing." More jobs have been created than were lost for the last 31 months straight.

Gas and food prices are hardly the fault of the President, and that goes for any President. Only ignorant people hold a President responsible for the price of gas or anything else.

"Just where is the economy getting better?"

Everywhere, especially right here where you live. Things are booming. Restaurants are full again. When was the last time that you read of a layoff in the area? My business has doubled. I don't know a soul who is out of work and I know a lot of souls.

All this whining about the economy is coming from people without a gripe whatsoever, like mymy, who makes it a point to post her daily reminder that "it's the economy," as if she were starving to death or something.

The economy could be better, for sure, but it is nowhere near as bad as it was three years ago. All you people who expected miracles to be performed with the wave of a magic wand, are living in the clouds. Such expectations are illogical and unrealistic.

"It is a true shame that cartoon boy is just like Obama and refuses to talk about real topics."

"Real topics" to some only include doom and gloom. If you want to be a negative nancy, by all means go ahead. The rest of us are focusing on the positives and moving forward.

"But if they did it would only show is failures as the (cough cough) President."

Yet, you, like every other basher of the President, fail every time in raising any "failure" that the man has been responsible for.

"I mean he has done wonders for the muslim brotherhood"

This is what has become typical of people like yourself. You dumped that garbage of an article in here yesterday, which was totally destroyed with the truth and facts, and here you are blowing smoke again today.

It's never enough for you people to concentrate on the facts or to simply declare that you dislike the man...no...you've got to introduce lies and garbage in an attempt to destroy him.

Well, it didn't work in 2008 and it won't work this year either.

August 28, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

DNC PROCEEDS WITH 2-HOUR ISLAMIC ‘JUMAH’ PRAYERS AFTER REJECTING CARDINAL’S BLESSING (AND YOU WON‘T BELIEVE WHO’S INVITED)

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dnc-announces-2-hour-islamic-jumah-prayers-after-rejecting-cardinals-blessing-and-you-wont-believe-whos-invited/#

August 28, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Ellen Barkin Hopes Hurricane Kills 'Every Pro-Life, Xenophobic, Gay-Bashing SOB' At The RNC

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/ellen-barkin/2012/08/28/ellen-barkin-hopes-hurricane-kills-every-pro-life-xenophobic-gay-bashing-sob-rnc#ixzz24r55Y7Ld

The liberals are just so sweet. No hate there? C'mon easy! Spin it! Here boy!

August 28, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
alprova said...

carlB wrote: "alprova, I have to disagree with your opinion on how/what the economy the would do if the Republicans got back into control. The reason of this disagreement is based on the history of what the Republicans did in the 1929 great depression and what their attitude and their arrogance in obstructing President Obama's policies and also against what the role of our governments' should have been during the 1929 depression what the roles of government should be during the 2007 deep recession, in preventing another great depression."

The Presidential race doesn't concern me as much as the Congressional races. If Mitt Romney wins, and the balance of power in the Houses remains about as they are now, it won't matter what Mitt's promises were. He will not be able to fulfill them.

I see nothing to suggest that the Republicans are going to win a majority in the Senate, and Todd Akin took care of that all by his lonesome.

This hardline stance on abortion that has been revived is going to kill the Republicans in several Congressional races too. I doubt that the Democrats will retake the House of Representatives, but they will win some seats back.

I'm still confident as can be that the President will be coasting to an easy victory and on to his second term. By the time the debates roll around, it will be clear which of the two has the interest of more Americans on his mind. The President shines when debating opponents, where Romney is pathetically weak and routinely goofs when cornered.

Yoiu can bet that the President is just waiting patiently to meet with Mitt Romney on those stages. And when they do meet, Mitt's going to have to look the man in his eyes when he lies.

August 28, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

‘Kill Mitt Romney’ Facebook Page Was Online for 17 Days

http://freebeacon.com/kill-mitt-romney-facebook-page-has-27-likes-still-online/

The kindness and love from the liberals is amazing!

August 28, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

STUDY: States over $4 trillion in debt

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-states-over-4-trillion-in-debt/article/2506157#.UDzmDNZAJcJ

There's your economy alpo. Tell the 50 million food stampers that the economy is doing just fine. You talk much, but amazingly say very little.

August 28, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.
mymy said...

People are so dumbed down by the left/progressives they have a snowballs chance in hell of becoming unprogrammed.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/26/leaders-with-ginni-thomas-anita-moncrief-acorn-whistle-blower/#ixzz24qaRGvTq

August 28, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo has a lot of nerve talking about a presidential candidate making promises he can't keep.

By the way, abortion isn't even in the top ten of issues people are concerned about. #1: The economy. Keep dreaming big guy.

The more I read your drivel, the more I realize you have absolutely no clue what the hell you're talking about.

August 28, 2012 at 11:47 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Toes: Hard to tell about ol' Alpo. He talks about a lot! And talks, and talks, ....

August 28, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
carlB said...

Jack_Dennis said... yeah, Carl. And the Pubs hate minorities, women, and clean water. Right?

Reply: Jack_Dennis, What point are you trying to make? Have the voters "become brain dead," not paying any attention to what is being said by the Republicans just to turn and divide the voters against President Obama? How many of the voters would go along with being; repressed, regressed, oppressed, depressed, digressed or suppressed with new morality laws? If this what the voters want, then this is what the Republicans will do for them. Move them back into the "stone age" if they get back into control. "VOTE FOR THE TRUTH NOT THE LIES"

August 28, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
mymy said...

Hey Al, what were you saying? Do you ever think about anything but yourself. How about other people and the country as a whole and what your Liar n Chief along the lying MSM are doing them/it. Hell no, you and yours are too dumbed down to see the whole picture or care! Life is good, ha! You apparently cannot see past your nose but one day at a time.

Aug 28, 2012

Consumer Confidence in U.S. Declines by Most Since October Rising gasoline prices, a jobless rate that’s been above 8 percent since the start of 2009 and limited income gains are keeping consumers glum. Persistent pessimism raises the risk of a pullback in household purchases that account for about 70 percent of the world’s biggest economy. “The consumer is still very cautious,” said Jim O’Sullivan, chief U.S. economist for High Frequency Economics Ltd. in Valhalla, New York, who projected a drop in sentiment. “The labor market is still relatively weak. There’s a lot of uncertainty about policy ahead of the election” and fuel costs have accelerated, he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-28/consumer-confidence-in-u-s-declines-by-most-since-october.html

August 28, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Just because you say it's B.S.?

http://charlottein2012.com/events/jumah_at_the_2012_dnc

Here big guy. Here's the contact info to prove you wrong.

August 28, 2012 at 12:12 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Carl: If you want to fall for the War on Women, etc crapola, that's your problem. Are you in Guyana?

August 28, 2012 at 12:15 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Hey Alpo you along with Osama put the blame on Bush when the gas prices where so high. I guess you have forgot that. Also the reason food cost aree up is because of the fuel cost (DA) we have yet to see the rise because of the weather. Funny how you and the other miondless sheep alwyas forget 4 years ago. BTW unemployment treu number is over 12% not 8.3% but hey Obama can make up any number and fools like you will think it's true.

August 28, 2012 at 12:17 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

If the coach wants to proselytize, let him coach at one of the christian schools where no taxpayer money is used.

Then tax dollars can go to teachers and students who value reason, science, and rationality without the fairy tales of a Middle Eastern minor deity who's a paranoid schizophrenic by his own book. There's many similarities between the ravings of Hitler in Mein Kamph and Jehovah in the Bible.

I wouldn't want either as a dinner guest.

August 28, 2012 at 12:19 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dayton: Nice. Very broad minded of you. Hater.

August 28, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.
joneses said...

I find it amazing the left continues to preach love and tolerance and the left is the most hateful and intolerant group of people I have witnessed. This is another example of liberal dummycrat hypocrisy.

Example of Liberal Control

The liberals believe that if they do not think one should own a gun then they want to outlaw guns for everyone. The conservatives believe that it should be legal to have a gun and if you want one get one if you do not want one then do not get one.

August 28, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Carl, never mind jack. He often looses his marbles as he stands on the sidelines to cheer.

The fact is there was a complaint by citizens to involve the FFR group. The complaint and all letters are on their site to see. The coach may be in the clear, but his actions, as well as the actions of others involved are unconstitutional, and will be held against the school board for allowing it to happen. This is just another prime example of these dominionists trying to put our governments in the poor house. Then they can rush in with foreign money and buy them out. Wise Up People. When someone ties your salvation to going against the constitution, they aint of any god.

August 28, 2012 at 12:25 p.m.
joneses said...

Why does Hussein Obama never mention what he wants to change and move the country forward to? I wish he would define his intentions and goals for America. All I have seen him do is destroy the foundation on which America was built.

August 28, 2012 at 12:25 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

Hey dumbass! The DNC is September 3rd-6th.

http://charlottein2012.com/splash/2011_11_1/index.pl

"Jumah at the 2012 DNC"

"Aug 31, 2012 1:00 PM to 3:00 PM"

http://charlottein2012.com/events/jumah_at_the_2012_dnc

Doesn't it embarrass you to believe complete lies? And why do you keep believing the same people, websites, television networks that feed you these lies?

August 28, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Joneses, I wish you were not so in love with, so focused on one man! Are you homosexual?

August 28, 2012 at 12:27 p.m.
Easy123 said...

joneses,

I find it amazing the Right continues to preach love and tolerance and the Right is the most hateful and intolerant group of people I have witnessed. This is another example of conservative republitard hypocrisy.

Example of Conservative Control

The conservatives believe that if they do not think one should have an abortion then they want to outlaw abortion for everyone. The liberals believe that it should be legal to have an abortion and if you want one, get one, if you do not want one then do not get one.

Wow! That was easy!

August 28, 2012 at 12:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

"Ellen Barkin Hopes Hurricane Kills 'Every Pro-Life, Xenophobic, Gay-Bashing SOB' At The RNC"

Ellen Barkin didn't say that. Someone else tagged her in a tweet that said: “C’mon #Isaac! Wash every pro-life, anti-education, anti-woman, xenophobic, gay-bashing, racist SOB right into the ocean! #RNC ”.

Show us all where the word "kill" was used. Oh wait, it wasn't. Not to mention, Ellen Barkin didn't even tweet it.

"The liberals are just so sweet. No hate there? C'mon easy! Spin it! Here boy!"

No need to spin it. It was B.S. from the start. Would you like to try again? :-)

August 28, 2012 at 12:34 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett fails to deliver once again.

August 28, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mymy,

"Easy you are one dumb dumb. All those issues mean nothing when it comes to this country surviving the damage done to this country by the left/progressives especially Obama. They sure know how to keep their base down on the farm and concentrating on the wrong issues."

So you are morally and ethically bankrupt, correct? Human and civil rights issues mean nothing, correct? That is what you are admitting if you truly believe the crap you type. Republicans sure know how to keep their base down on the farm and concentrating on the wrong issues.

"There are some trying to keep us all from being enslaved by government!"

Give me multiple examples of how the government has even begun to enslave you. I double dare you.

August 28, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
MarkB said...

Hey darwin, are you sure you read those two books? I find it hard to believe you found similarities between the two. I think the real issue is that nobody had a problem until some group from Wisconsin went looking for trouble all the way down in the bible belt in Rossville, GA with their big God hater stick and decided to stir something up when the coach, players, fans and students had no problem with prayer in schools. Christianity is all throughout America and always has been and it is IMPOSSIBLE to remove it. It's in our books, on our money and in our legal documents. It's especially noticable in our region. It's part of our culture and history. These groups would love to turn every small town and community into politically correct cookie cutter civilizations with no beliefs or ideas actually believed AND practiced.

August 28, 2012 at 1:08 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Walden said: “If I were Coach Mariakis, I would drive down to the TFP this morning and punch Clay Bennett's lights out.”

No, I think this Coach Mariakis might be better off spending a little more time actually reading his Bible, especially some of the sections from Matthew:

And when you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward. But you, when you pray, enter into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly. [Matthew 6:5-6]

August 28, 2012 at 1:24 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

MarkB said...

"Hey darwin, are you sure you read those two books? I find it hard to believe you found similarities between the two."

I have read both Mein Kampf and the Bible. One is the ravings of a power hungry tyrant who kills innocent people because they don't believe in him. The other is about Hitler.

August 28, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "Hey Al, what were you saying? Do you ever think about anything but yourself."

Sure I do. A lot.

"How about other people and the country as a whole and what your Liar n Chief along the lying MSM are doing them/it."

Let's get personal. How many people do you know personally who are suffering as a result of a doggone thing the President has done? How many people do you know who are unemployed, unless they are retired?

I'll bet my entire life that the number for both a big fat ZERO. You sit there day after day in that tiny apartment of yours, lapping up whatever Fox News feeds you.

I don't care who you are or where you are from. The fact is that there are very few people who are worse off than they were at the end of 2008. Those that are worse off, are most likely among the people on this planet too lazy to get off their duffs and to seek a decent job.

Jobs don't fall into people's laps.

Re: Consumer confidence; People afraid to spend money doesn't translate into a bad economy. It just means that people are afraid to spend their money. All the chicken littles running around wailing and moaning are causing people to be afraid to spend their money.

"Hell no, you and yours are too dumbed down to see the whole picture or care! Life is good, ha! You apparently cannot see past your nose but one day at a time."

You don't know a thing about me. You've got a lot of nerve calling anyone "dumbed down." Unlike yourself, I make it a habit to digest news and information from about ten sources each day, including that which is disseminated from your sacred Fox News.

You are clearly biased in your thinking. You never consider any alternative sources to get a balanced view of anything, and based on the level of contribution you offer in here, you are one bitter old lady with nothing nice to say about a soul.

You deserve the future that the Republicans have in store for you, if they are successful in regaining power once again. Enjoy your voucher that will pay for only part of your health care insurance coverage and a widely reopened donut hole, as their answer for "reforming Medicare."

August 28, 2012 at 1:35 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

JustOneWoman: Both my marbles are quite intact, thank you very much.

August 28, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Alpo, we all are suffering as a result of this president and some before him (both Republican and Democrat) unless you or others can debunk the facts in this article.

Can we not all agree that ours and other peoples money has already run out?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/23/why-are-on-brink-greatest-depression-all-time/

August 28, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.
Walden said...

mountainlaurel - I am quite aware of what the Bible says. My point is that Clay Bennett has drawn a very hateful and vile depiction of a good man, and I wouldn't take it if I were the Coach. I'd go punch that girly little weasel right in the nose.

August 28, 2012 at 1:47 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Walden: Hateful and vile is what the left does to anyone with half a religious thought.

August 28, 2012 at 1:50 p.m.
chatt_man said...

daytonsdarwin: "I have read both Mein Kampf and the Bible. One is the ravings of a power hungry tyrant who kills innocent people because they don't believe in him. The other is about Hitler".

Screw you and your opinion of the Bible.

Sorry all, I'm currently evolving thru the stages of tolerance.

August 28, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Walden,

What about the depiction is "very hateful and vile"? It actually looks a lot like Mariakis. Do you even know the definitions of those two words? Or is this just a knee-jerk reaction? I vote for the latter.


JackTroll,

"Hateful" and 'vile" aren't verbs. You can't do a hateful or vile.


chatt_man,

I take it you haven't read the Bible. Most estimates of the people your god killed in the Bible are around 2 million. Not to mention all the miscarriages your god caused. Your god is the most infamous abortionist of all time! Heck, your god is responsible for every disease, parasite, bacteria, virus, natural disaster, etc. as well. Yet, Christians still love the gal. I guess it's holy Stockholm Syndrome.

August 28, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Maybe the loony liberals here can understand a cartoon.

August 28, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.
miraweb said...

The funny thing is that a politician can really think that a person can only have one trouble in mind at a time. The people most concerned about health insurance - are people without jobs. The people most concerned about the costs of college - are people without jobs.

The only unemployed man in the country who doesn't have a sleepless night seems to be Mitt Romney.

August 28, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "Just because you say it's B.S."

"http://charlottein2012.com/events/jumah_at_the_2012_dnc"

"Here big guy. Here's the contact info to prove you wrong"

<p>Charlottein2012.com is not in any manner tied to the Democrat National Convention. Just because BIMA bought a spoofed domain, designed a look-alike website, and attached itself to the DNC, that does not make it official or designate it a partnership at all.

Do a Whois search on the registrant of the site. You will see that it has no relation whatsover to the DNC. Are you so obtuse that you don't know how to recognize a spoofed website? The .com domain should have tipped you off very quickly.

The Jumah events conclude two days before the start of the DNC Convention and that's all there is to it. The Jumah events absolutely are not part of the DNC Convention. Just because BIMA is renting space in the same building two days before the DNC event, that does not begin in any manner to tie the two into a nice, neat bow.

When you can dig up any evidence that the DNC itself, recognizes the BIMA event as any part of its convention, then get back to me.

Otherwise, you are literally falling for the rouse being purported by The Bureau of Indigenous Muslim Affairs, which is being done to plant little seeds into feeble right-wing minds that grow into fits of mock outrage, whenever they read or hear mention of the word "Muslim."

You're going to have to forgive me, but you are without a doubt, one of the biggest morons to ever express ignorance in this forum.

You're living proof that you will believe anything you read on the web, and that you are totally incapable of fact-checking a doggone thing.

When you post such tripe, it's your credibility on the line.

August 28, 2012 at 2:11 p.m.
TOES02800 said...
August 28, 2012 at 2:21 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

So you'll be at the jumah then? The only "outrage" I detect is yours. What do you have against Muslims at the DNC?

August 28, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
alprova said...

rogedodger wrote: "Hey Alpo you along with Osama put the blame on Bush when the gas prices where so high."

You have absolutely no idea what my position was when Bush was in office. The fact is that if find people who blame any President for the price of gasoline at the pump to be among the most ignorant of souls on Earth.

"BTW unemployment treu number is over 12% not 8.3% but hey Obama can make up any number and fools like you will think it's true."

The "true" unemployment numbers are nowhere near 12% and they never have been. The higher number is a projected estimate that includes those who have dropped out of the job market altogether. Students go back to school. Women decide to become housewives. People like myself for instance, open businesses and no longer need a "job."

Anyone who wants a job, has one. If they don't by this point and time, something is amiss. I had a former brother-in-law who didn't work for three years -- a man with absolutely no education and no job skills, not to mention a spotty work record, who thought he was qualified for a management position.

When he couldn't find what he wanted, he put a garden hose in the tailpipe of his car, parked it a thousand yards from my house, and decided to check out from life.

Jobs are bouncing back -- slow for sure -- but things are slowly improving despite all you chicken littles running around flapping your wings. You may fool some people, but you're not fooling those of us with a brain.

August 28, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...
August 28, 2012 at 2:31 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

"So you'll be at the jumah then? The only "outrage" I detect is yours. What do you have against Muslims at the DNC?"

That is what you call "backtracking". LMAO!

There will be no jumah at the DNC. The outrage was in the article YOU posted. What do you and your side have against Muslims at the DNC?

August 28, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Praise allah! Don't have a problem with it. But if they won't allow a Catholic blessing, but will let the Muslims have THEIR day, that says a lot.

August 28, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

chatt_man said...

"Screw you and your opinion of the Bible."

That's the same thing proselytizing christians tell anyone who objects to such religious behavior in public schools, public areas, and government offices.

At least you're consistent.

August 28, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Toes, I watched your first cartoon. I'm thinking that cartoons, caricatures, and stereotypes are all that you're capable of understanding. Actually, the cartoon is pretty funny. However, it's also all wrong. It's just the same old right wing talking points, with your complete misunderstanding of what liberals are talking about. No liberal I know is advocating an all-socialist government. But you keep acting like that's what we're calling for.

It's a waste of time to even talk to people like you because you just keep spewing the same old worn-out catch-phrases and terminology. You bring nothing new to the conversation and what you do add to it is is completely skewed by your prejudices and hate. I'm not going to waste my time watching your second 'toon. I'm sure it's filled with the same old lying BS. I'll let you and your right wing peeps get off on that one.

August 28, 2012 at 2:47 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

And don't be so down mira! According to alpo, everything is fine and dandy! 8% unemployment is the new normal, that's all.

August 28, 2012 at 2:48 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Walden said: "I am quite aware of what the Bible says. My point is that Clay Bennett has drawn a very hateful and vile depiction of a good man, and I wouldn't take it if I were the Coach. I'd go punch that girly little weasel right in the nose."

If you’re aware of what the Bible says, you must know what it says about violence and punching people in the nose, but maybe you don’t really care about this.

As for Clay Bennett’s caricuture of Coach Mariakis, it doesn’t look vile or hateful to me, but I suppose these things reflect what is in eye of the beholder.

August 28, 2012 at 2:58 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Funny roo, because I seem to see the same old worn out liberal talking points from all of the same liberals. I can spend five minutes and find loads of examples of liberal "prejudices and hate". The righteous mindset of you liberals make you think you're so much better than anybody else. Wrong again.

August 28, 2012 at 3 p.m.
miraweb said...

FreedomWorks - the money behind the Tea Party movement - has decided the unseating of Ron Paul delegates could happen to the Tea Party, too:

"If this rule stands it will operate as a contingency plan for the R.N.C., should grass-roots organizations gain more influence than R.N.C. leadership is comfortable with. This must be stopped."

This statement came out when two FreedomWorks-friendly members of the rules committee were dismissed today and replaced because of concerns about potential actions of the Ron Paul delegates.

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/mduncan/romney-camp-removing-rules-committee-members

August 28, 2012 at 3:01 p.m.
MarkB said...

Darwin,God doesn't kill people for not believing in Him. People die whether Christian or not. If you don't believe in Him how can you blame Him for killing anyone? Now I know for a fact you haven't read the bible. Sorry, I seem to have interrupted athiest church (A.K.A: the internet) Mountain, how is the coach a hypocrite? Another bible verse taken out of context in a clumsy attempt to be used against the people who actually read and believe the bible.

August 28, 2012 at 3:02 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "So you'll be at the jumah then?"

Uh...no.

"The only "outrage" I detect is yours."

You posted what you doggone well know is yet another pathetic lie. I'm hardly outraged, surprised, or shocked. If you have no problem with your credibility going down the drain every time you post such crap, it's definitely no skin off my nose.

"What do you have against Muslims at the DNC?"

You raised the issue. You know why you posted it. Don't you dare attempt to flip this on me.

I have no opinion, one way or the other, about Muslims. I'm a Christian, and always will be, but I reserve the right to respect the religious beliefs that anyone chooses for themselves.

And although I am a practicing Christian, I find any public religious ceremony that includes public prayer for so much as one second, to be a violation of my religious beliefs. The Bible clearly describes how we are to pray to the father, and I do so several times a day, privately and out of sight of other people.

August 28, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
miraweb said...

Toes - raise you one cardinal and a nun:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/28/dolan-to-pray-at-democratic-national-convention/comment-page-2/

P.S. This is the same Cardinal Dolan who is at the GOP this week, in case you're having trouble keeping up.

P.P.S Tell me again, why exactly should Muslim-Americans not have their say? Was that a racist jab or a religion jab or a two-for-one?

August 28, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: You're such an ass. With all respect.

August 28, 2012 at 3:13 p.m.
Walden said...

mountaindingbat - you really got me with that one! Once again, very aware of what the Bible says. I never said I was perfect -- in fact quite the opposite. I still think Mariakis needs to give Bennett a blanket party ASAP. No jury in this fine community would convict him of assault if he did so.

Oh, and you're right, old Clay would never use his crayons to depict something vile or hateful. He really is trying to paint Mariakis in a positive light, isn't he? Its not like Clay is portraying him as beady-eyed and sullen, looking like he has the IQ of an ape (which is exactly what all you enlightened people think of Christians and football types anyway).

August 28, 2012 at 3:21 p.m.
alprova said...

"But if they won't allow a Catholic blessing, but will let the Muslims have THEIR day, that says a lot."

You're repeating the same lie, despite any and all proof to the contrary.

The DNC did not "disallow" a Catholic prayer. The Bishop, to prove that he was impartial politically, attempted to make contact with the DNC to make the same offer that the RNC accepted. The DNC failed to respond to the offer by the Bishop.

People are free to view the lack of response any way they see fit, but what no one on this planet can state with an ounce of proof whatseover, is that the DNC has had a doggone thing at all to do with the Muslim Jumah prayer event scheduled to start and end two days before the start of the DNC Convention.

The Jumah prayers and the DNC Convention are totally separate and non-related events...period!!

August 28, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.
miraweb said...

The Ron Paul folks have scheduled their own request for divine intervention:

http://www.peaceprevails2012.com/

Do people really think that God will pick sides in either football or politics?

August 28, 2012 at 3:33 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

MarkB said...

"Darwin, Now I know for a fact you haven't read the bible."

Sure I have. It's boring in most places, but occasionally there's good material for a stand-up routine. For instance, here's one that's good for a laugh.

Why Jehovah doesn't wear sandals or open-toed shoes. It's in the Bible.

"And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee: For the Lord thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp." Deuteronomy 23:13-14

You'd think He could smell it it with all those superpowers. Maybe He had a head cold. Maybe he wears brown Doc Martin's so it doesn't show. Maybe his eyesight is fading.

So read your Bible. More fun than than the Children's Crusade and an Ernest Angley faith healing!

August 28, 2012 at 3:33 p.m.
tderng said...

daytonsdumbass...if I want to stop on the sidewalk and offer up a prayer neither you nor your ilk will stop me.That public area belongs to me as much as it belongs to you.If I feel like walking onto the courthouse steps pausing to give a prayer,you can't stop me.If i want to walk into a government office,pause and offer up a prayer,you can't stop me.No matter how much you may wish it otherwise.

August 28, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira said "Toes - raise you one cardinal and a nun:"

Pretty tacky there, Mira.

August 28, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Mark said: “how is the coach a hypocrite? Another bible verse taken out of context in a clumsy attempt to be used against the people who actually read and believe the bible.”

Sorry, but I believe it is you who is taking things out of context. For starters, I simply suggested that Mariakis might benefit more from reading Biblical passages from Matthew rather than punching someone in the nose, which is what our fellow poster, Walden, was suggesting.

As for your question about this Coach Mariakis being hypocrite, I don’t have a clue. This may or may not be the case. The biblical quote that I provided from Matthew was simply encouraging people to pray in private and not to be as the hypocrites are:

And when you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward. But you, when you pray, enter into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly. [Matthew 6:5-6]

August 28, 2012 at 3:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

Cardinal Dolan's response to inviting both Obama and Romney to the annual Knights of Columbus dinner:

The teaching of the Church, so radiant in the Second Vatican Council, is that the posture of the Church towards culture, society, and government is that of engagement and dialogue.

In other words, it’s better to invite than to ignore, more effective to talk together than to yell from a distance, more productive to open a door than to shut one . . .

In the end, I’m encouraged by the example of Jesus, who was blistered by his critics for dining with those some considered sinners; and by the recognition that, if I only sat down with people who agreed with me, and I with them, or with those who were saints, I’d be taking all my meals alone.

http://blog.archny.org/index.php/al-smith-dinner/

August 28, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Only in Amurca...Coach Mariakis lampooned by a small-market hack cartoonist. What a country. And the crowd cheers. God help us.

August 28, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
dao1980 said...

tderng, I don't think anyone cares if you pray to yourself on the sidewalk... on the courthouse steps, on the roof of the asylum, or even on yer clogged up turlet for that matter.

Nor would anyone ever waste the effort "trying to stop you".

If you and "your ilk" truly believes that's what the issue is about... well then that's just silly.

I'm thinking that you feel "spiritually compelled" by the voices in your head to play dumb and grandstand for your broad-bland-generalized-blanket religious cause.

August 28, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

tderng,

I won't stop you. But if you start babbling in tongues, writhing on the floor like a pig in heat, jumping up and down and waving your hands like a little girl at a Bieber concert, and grabbing people's heads to release demons, please give me 30 minutes notice.

I want to call friends to come see the show! I'll bring popcorn and Junior Mints. Can you supply the holy water to wash it down? Or request a miracle and turn the holy water into Mountain Dew? I like Mountain Dew when I'm watching a Holy Hoedown!

August 28, 2012 at 4:02 p.m.
MarkB said...

Very creative writing darwin. I bet if you teamed up with Mr. Bennett you guys could give Peanuts and Beetle Bailey a little competition. I think your first cartoon should be about the big bang theory in a kitchen setting. Maybe like the gas oven blew up and everything in the kitchen flew into the air and when it all landed it was a perfect gourmet meal for two.

August 28, 2012 at 4:28 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova wrote : "I'm a Christian, and always will be" and "I am a practicing Christian"

alprova also wrote : "God gave us all a brain to think with and to question that which deserves an answer. I've wondered for years why the Biblical story of the great flood is so easily accepted, in that God once murdered all life on Earth, save for a few." ????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

August 28, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

MarkB wrote, "I think your first cartoon should be about the big bang theory in a kitchen setting. Maybe like the gas oven blew up and everything in the kitchen flew into the air and when it all landed it was a perfect gourmet meal for two."

Much closer to reality than the Genesis hogwash. An invisible Sky Daddy waves his magic wand, and Poof — There it is!

There's proof that Julia Childs was for real. Nothing for Sky Daddy, Bubba Ray Jesus (wasn't he from south Bethlehem), and the Holy Spook.

August 28, 2012 at 4:49 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Hey monkeyboy, don't you have some trees you can go swing on?

August 28, 2012 at 5:23 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Alprova's right, conservative. There never was a world wide flood. Just because your flavor of Christianity thinks there was doesn't mean that it is either true or universally believed by all Christians.

August 28, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
tderng said...

daytonsdarwin said... tderng,

I won't stop you. But if you start babbling in tongues, writhing on the floor like a pig in heat, jumping up and down and waving your hands like a little girl at a Bieber concert, and grabbing people's heads to release demons, please give me 30 minutes notice.

Not likely to happen,haven't done any LSD in over 35 years.But I could have a flashback I guess.If so please record it,as I and my friends could use a good laugh.

Having spent most of my career working with cancer patients,you might be surprised how many asked me to pray for them even though they had been "non-believers all their lives."Funny,but sad,how people suddenly have a change of heart when confronted with their own mortality and imminent doom. I suppose that if you are informed of your own coming death you will say "'nobody' have mercy on me",won't you?

August 28, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.
miraweb said...

The roll call has started. They are already having a problem. They have instructed the delegations that they will only officially count the Romney delegates.

The split states have decided to give their full representations anyway.

From CNN:

Iowa, with 28 delegates, casts 22 votes for Ron Paul and six votes for Mitt Romney, prompting cheers from Paul supporters on the floor.

Hawaii, with 20 delegates, casts 17 votes for Mitt Romney and three for Ron Paul.

Georgia, with 76 delegates, casts 72 votes for Mitt Romney, three votes for Ron Paul, and one "undecided."

Colorado, with 36 delegates, casts 28 votes for Mitt Romney, with eight delegates abstaining.

Arizona, with 29 delegates, casts 26 votes for Mitt Romney and three votes for Ron Paul. Gov. Jan Brewer read the decision for the delegation. 26 votes were recognized.

Alaska, with 27 delegates, casts 18 votes for Mitt Romney 9 votes for Ron Paul. The RNC, however, only acknowledges the 18 votes because there's one name in nomination.

August 28, 2012 at 5:27 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova wrote : "I'm a Christian, and always will be" and "I am a practicing Christian"

alprova also wrote : "While there are many people who consider the Bible and the story of Noah's Ark to be literally true, most educated and intelligent people understand that the story of Noah's flood is most likely a myth." ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

August 28, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tderng: You must remember, daytondarwin is enlightened. And more intelligent than the great unwashed.

August 28, 2012 at 5:40 p.m.
miraweb said...

Continuing the split states voting from CNN

New Hampshire, with 12 delegates, casts nine for Mitt Romney and three for Ron Paul.

Nevada, with 28 delegates, "proudly" casts 17 votes for Ron Paul, five abstentions and five for Mitt Romney.

Nebraska, with 35 delegates, casts 33 votes for Mitt Romney.

Missouri, with 52 delegates, casts three votes for Rick Santorum, four votes for Ron Paul, and 45 votes for Mitt Romney.

Minnesota, with 41 delegates, with 33 for Ron Paul, six for Mitt Romney and one for Rick Santorum.

Michigan, with 30 delegates, casts 24 votes for Mitt Romney, four votes for Ron Paul. "We take great pride being the home state of Gov. Romney and the Romney family," said Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder. Romney's brother, Scott, also spoke on behalf of the delegation.

Maine, with 24 delegates, casts 14 for Mitt Romney and 10 for Ron Paul.

Louisiana, with 46 delegates, casts 32 votes for Mitt Romney, 12 votes for Ron Paul, and two votes for Rick Santorum. "We're proud to be here today and we thank all of America for their thoughts and prayers with the storm and another hurricane coming our way," the lead delegate said.

Kansas, with 40 delegates, casts 39 votes for Mitt Romney and one for Rick Santorum.

August 28, 2012 at 5:42 p.m.
chatt_man said...

conservative, that's their joy in having no convictions...they are constantly evolving, changing, blowing in the wind.

If it feels good, do it. That's some of the reasons our country is in the shape it's in.

No convictions, no consequences, just do what suits you until it's over. Well...

August 28, 2012 at 5:42 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Jack_Dennis said...

"tderng: You must remember, daytondarwin is enlightened. And more intelligent than the great unwashed."

Not more intelligent than everyone, just Bible literalists, thumpers, and those who believe fairy-tales are true.

August 28, 2012 at 5:50 p.m.
tderng said...

miraweb...what's your point?

August 28, 2012 at 5:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Tderng,

Romney's own party doesn't fully endorse him. Could you really not gather that from Miraweb's post?

August 28, 2012 at 5:58 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: BFD...this always happens...you wouldn't know since this is your first convention.

August 28, 2012 at 6:02 p.m.
miraweb said...

Really remarkable. I've heard of sore losers, but Romney has set himself up to be a sore winner.

When you have the votes in hand you have the option to behave generously to your opponent. Romney's losing control at the convention it doesn't bode well for governing the country.

Especially when 6 of the 8 swing states are states with split votes for Ron Paul. He may have won the battle but lost the war.

This may be the day that the GOP became two parties.

Remaining split states votes from CNN:

Virgin Islands, with nine delegates, casts one vote for Ron Paul and eight votes for Mitt Romney.

Virginia, with 49 delegates, casts three votes for Ron Paul and 46 votes for Mitt Romney. Gov. Bob McDonnell, once speculated to be a potential running mate for Romney, spoke on behalf of the delegation.

Vermont, with 17 delegates, casts four votes for Ron Paul and 13 votes for Mitt Romney.

Texas, with 155 delegates, casts one vote "uncommitted", one vote for former Louisiana Gov. Buddy Roemer, one vote for former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, one vote for Rep. Michele Bachmann, one vote for former Sen. Rick Santorum, 20 votes for Rep. Ron Paul and 130 votes for Mitt Romney.

South Carolina, with 25 delegates, casts 24 votes for Mitt Romney and one vote for Ron Paul.

Rhode Island, with 19 votes, casts four votes for Ron Paul and 15 votes for Mitt Romney.

Pennsylvania, with 72 delegates, casts 67 votes for Mitt Romney and five votes for Ron Paul. Gov. Tom Corbett spoke on behalf of the delegation.

Oregon, with 28 delegates, casts four votes for Ron Paul, one vote for Rick Santorum and 23 votes for Mitt Romney.

Oklahoma, with 43 delegates, casts 34 votes for Mitt Romney and six votes for Ron Paul. Gov. Mary Fallin spoke on behalf of the delegation. Oklahoma is the home state of Janna Ryan, wife of Romney's running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan.

North Dakota, with 28 delegates, casts 23 votes for Mitt Romney and five votes for Ron Paul.

North Carolina, with 55 delegates, casts seven votes for Ron Paul and 48 votes for Mitt Romney.

August 28, 2012 at 6:02 p.m.
miraweb said...

The state of Washington, with 43 delegates, casts 38 votes for Mitt Romney and five for Ron Paul.

August 28, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.
miraweb said...

Wisconsin, with 42 delegates, casts 41 votes for Mitt Romney and one vote for Ron Paul. Gov. Scott Walker, who survived a heated recall effort in June, spoke on behalf of the delegation. Paul Ryan, Romney's running mate, is a U.S. representative from the Badger State.

August 28, 2012 at 6:06 p.m.
miraweb said...

Wyoming, with 29 delegates, casts 28 votes for Mitt Romney and one vote for Ron Paul.

August 28, 2012 at 6:07 p.m.
miraweb said...

CNN has Ron Paul with 9% of the delegate vote. That's a big number if it reflects the number of ticked off libertarians back home after the convention.

August 28, 2012 at 6:12 p.m.
mymy said...

Don't need your play by play from the view of CNN. Can watch livestream on youtube

Ann Romney 8pm followed by a barnburner by Chris Christie!!!!!!!

http://www.gopconvention2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Temp-Order-of-Business1.pdf

There will be a video of Ron Paul one night with his son speaking afterwards. They are all coming together to beat Obama!

August 28, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.
mymy said...
August 28, 2012 at 6:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

"this always happens...you wouldn't know since this is your first convention."

I'm aware. That's why I never said it was unique. Some of the states Romney is losing delegates in is very telling and is eerily similar to the RNC Delegate count in 2008.

August 28, 2012 at 6:31 p.m.
miraweb said...

You might have to watch it on YouTube. Anderson Cooper is reporting that Isaac has just rolled into New Orleans. The grand political infomercial may get second billing from here.

August 28, 2012 at 6:35 p.m.
mymy said...

Mira: I doubt it. Nothing can be done re Isaac. That does not mean there is not concern for those getting hit by Isaac, but the business of the country must go on.

CNN and company would love the excuse not to cover the Republican Convention!

August 28, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Romney may need another layer of magic underwear and a special visit from Bony Moroni to win the November election.

The Ron Paul delegates and voters won't forget the slights of Romney and friends.

August 28, 2012 at 6:43 p.m.
tderng said...

daytonsdarwin said...Not more intelligent than everyone, just Bible literalists, thumpers, and those who believe fairy-tales are true.

so you believe you're more intelligent than the growing number of physicists who state that there may be some merit to intelligent design?Mathematics does not support evolution to our current form.There simply isn't enough time since the big bang for all of the various life forms to have evolved to the point they are now.There are no fossil records that show the leap from one form to another.Rather the fossil records show a sudden explosion of new species at various times during the earth's history. While there may be small changes in a given species that occur over thousands or millions of generations there is no proof that "leaps to a new species" as proposed by evolutionists has ever occurred. The life on earth being only about 3.8 billion years in the making and the time that it takes for even a small amount of evolving to occur does not support Darwinisms origin of species.

August 28, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb reported: "CNN has Ron Paul with 9% of the delegate vote."

Did you also note that the Republicans are trying to change the way delegates to the national convention are selected? Apparently, they want candidates to be able to choose their own delegates rather than the current process in which state parties choose them. Since Mitt Romney believes that corporations are people too, it doesn’t take much imagination to figure out the kind of delegates he would select.

August 28, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

This was the reaction on the floor to today's rules shenanigans:

August 28, 2012 at 6:56 p.m.
miraweb said...

MyMy are you sure you have your priorities straight? A 400 mile stretch of the Gulf Coast is about to get 100 mile per hour winds and up to 20 inches of rain. Power will be out for many people for 1 - 2 weeks.

This storm is slowing and will sit in one place for a very long time. Flooding will be a serious problem.

This is the business of the country.

The party in Tampa is getting its due respect. There are just bigger problems in the world.

August 28, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

tderng,It's obvious by your statements that you are ignorant of science. While your creationism may work with 6 year-olds, it won't fly with anyone who understands science.

Thanks to the Flying Spaghetti Monster you're not teaching kids in the classroom.

August 28, 2012 at 7:01 p.m.
mymy said...

Excuse me Mira: Don't need your play by play. I know exactly what is going on with the storm. Are you going to get off the computer and crawl into a hole deeper than the one you are in all the time till it over. What does that accomplish.

August 28, 2012 at 7:17 p.m.
mymy said...

Meri: Guess you are not old enough to remember how conventions used to be. This is nothing! Glad to see people engaged!

August 28, 2012 at 7:22 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"so you believe you're more intelligent than the growing number of physicists who state that there may be some merit to intelligent design?"

What are their names? Oh wait, that is just another generalized, vague statement that Creationists use to act like evolution is debatable.

"Mathematics does not support evolution to our current form."

Yes, it does.

"There simply isn't enough time since the big bang for all of the various life forms to have evolved to the point they are now."

13.7 billion years is more than enough time.

"There are no fossil records that show the leap from one form to another."

Evolution isn't about leaps. It's about gradual changes over time. Populations evolve. Individuals don't. But the fossil record does prove evolution. You wouldn't know that though because you haven't researched it.

"Rather the fossil records show a sudden explosion of new species at various times during the earth's history."

The Cambrian explosion is a perfect example of evolution. You're just too ignorant to know it.

"While there may be small changes in a given species that occur over thousands or millions of generations there is no proof that "leaps to a new species" as proposed by evolutionists has ever occurred."

No evolutionist has ever proposed "leaps to a new species". Many small changes equal big changes. That's just common sense.

"The life on earth being only about 3.8 billion years in the making and the time that it takes for even a small amount of evolving to occur does not support Darwinisms origin of species."

Yes, it does. Do you realize how many years 3.8 billion is? That's 190,000,000 human generations (most non-mammal organisms have much shorter generations). Bacteria evolve every 20-60 minutes. Have you ever heard of antibiotic resistance? That's evolution. It works and it works for every living organism.

You know absolutely nothing about evolution, natural selection, Darwinism, etc. Evolution is the only explanation for our observable world. Read a science textbook or any book on evolution. Then you will understand how ignorant you are about the subject.

August 28, 2012 at 7:26 p.m.
miraweb said...

Lessee, I was a baby when Kennedy was president. Met Ronald Reagan when he was a candidate - a very likeable fellow with a great sense of humor as it happens.

Went through the energy crisis of the 70s, saw the Shah leave Iran, saw Bush I's "no new taxes" pledge, and those three guys in Baghdad during the first Gulf War.

Gained respect for Colin Powell when they decided they knew when to stop fighting in Iraq. Lost some of that respect during Bush II's reign.

Yeah - I may be too young to understand all this. I'm sure a fine fellow like yourself can educate me to no end.

August 28, 2012 at 7:33 p.m.
degage said...

Easy Prove all you just said about evolution. It's just your word that it's so unless you can prove to me what you evoluted from. Atom ,monkey, etc. Yes I'm baiting you, now bite and come up with an answer. By the way I don't believe you saw 2016 on the internet. I looked everywhere and all I got was snipets of 1 to 2 minutes.

August 28, 2012 at 7:49 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123...typical.Unwilling to believe new evidence when it doesn't support your views..http://www.math.utep.edu/Faculty/sewell/articles/mathint.html

August 28, 2012 at 7:52 p.m.
degage said...

Easy, you lost all credibility when you insisted you saw 2016 on the internet.

August 28, 2012 at 7:52 p.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "Excuse me Mira: Don't need your play by play."

Then don't read her posts. I, for one have enjoyed reading them. This forum doesn't revolve around what you want or don't want, or aren't you aware of that simple fact?

"I know exactly what is going on with the storm."

Really? Does Fox News have an imbedded reporter giving you the play by play? You're high and dry here in Chattanooga. 500 miles southwest of here, those people couldn't care less about a bunch of windbags bloviating the same message over and over and over.

"Are you going to get off the computer and crawl into a hole deeper than the one you are in all the time till it over. What does that accomplish."

Mymy, you're a snippy little biddy, convinced of your own superiority, and it is anything but becoming for a woman of your age. Do yourself a favor and SHUT THE HELL UP!!

If you were to crack a smile and type something nice for a change toward someone...anyone, your face would splinter into a thousand pieces.

Enough already...

August 28, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dégagé He lost all credibility with me long before that.

August 28, 2012 at 8:05 p.m.
tderng said...

by the way easy,life on earth is not 13.7 billion years old. It is only about 3.8 billion years old.Where is the link in the fossil record that shows the transitions to major changes in life forms?There aren't any.The records show that new species suddenly pop up change very little then die off.

August 28, 2012 at 8:08 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"Prove all you just said about evolution. It's just your word that it's so unless you can prove to me what you evoluted from."

Start here: http://talkorigins.org/

Then go here: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

Then browse here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Humans evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees.

http://humanorigins.si.edu/resources/intro-human-evolution

"By the way I don't believe you saw 2016 on the internet. I looked everywhere and all I got was snipets of 1 to 2 minutes."

By the way, I don't care. The torrent link I saw it from was taken down.

"you lost all credibility when you insisted you saw 2016 on the internet."

So I lost credibility for seeing it? Can't win for losing, I guess.

August 28, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Easy, you lost all credibility when you insisted you saw 2016 on the internet."

Are you sure that you want to get into an exchange that includes jabs about credibility?

Before you do, it might serve you to read an article that shreds most of Dinesh D’Souza’s film.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/2016-obama-america-fact-checking-conservative-author-dinesh-ouza-film-article-1.1146143

August 28, 2012 at 8:17 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"easy123...typical.Unwilling to believe new evidence when it doesn't support your views..http://www.math.utep.edu/Faculty/sewell/articles/mathint.html"

You didn't present that in your original post. Or do you not remember that? However, you have presented one persons view opinion based on computer simulations on a program he designed. I'll side with science over Granville Sewell any day.

Would you like to try again?

August 28, 2012 at 8:17 p.m.
tderng said...

Easy123 said...Many small changes equal big changes. That's just common sense.

Why would small changes lead to an entirely new organ,such as a lung,when it is of absolutely no use until it is fully formed hundreds of thousands of generations later?

August 28, 2012 at 8:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"by the way easy,life on earth is not 13.7 billion years old."

I wasn't referring to life on earth. I was addressing this: "There simply isn't enough time since the big bang for all of the various life forms to have evolved to the point they are now.".

The Big Bang occurred around 13.7 billion years ago. READING COMPREHENSION, touch up on yours.

"Where is the link in the fossil record that shows the transitions to major changes in life forms?There aren't any."

Again, individuals don't evolve. Populations do. The fossil record is used to piece together the puzzle. You would need to observe the species over a long period of time to see any major changes. You are moving the goal post.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/lines_02

"The records show that new species suddenly pop up change very little then die off."

Individuals don't evolve. Populations do. Evolution is change in a population over time. You will not see a sheep turn into a wolf in the fossil record. However, you can piece the fossils together and observe how the population evolved over time.

Again, your ignorance of the subject is terribly apparent. Read a book. Do some research. You have a kindergarden view of evolution.

August 28, 2012 at 8:25 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova wrote : "I'm a Christian, and always will be" and "I am a practicing Christian"

alprova, professing Christian, also wrote : "If the Biblical tale is indeed true, then God senselessly murdered millions of innocent humans and billions of animals in the flood. Even if there was the remote possibility in justifying the murder of people, what possible justification could have existed for wiping out most all animal life?" ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

August 28, 2012 at 8:28 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"Why would small changes lead to an entirely new organ,such as a lung,when it is of absolutely no use until it is fully formed hundreds of thousands of generations later?"

The lung wasn't an entirely new organ. It evolved from the swim bladder of a fish/reptile ancestors. They are very similar.

http://intl-physiologyonline.physiology.org/content/18/4/151.full

http://erj.ersjournals.com/content/29/1/11.full.pdf

http://ajrcmb.atsjournals.org/content/31/1/8.full

It serves great use to the organism. There are many intermediate stages where the organ still serves its purpose. Populations evolve, not individuals. Get it through your granite skull.

Again, read a freaking book. Do research. For the love of science, why do you bow to ignorance?

August 28, 2012 at 8:33 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Now Easy is a lung expert. Bwahahahaha

August 28, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Dennis said...

Blah, blah, blah. I'm a dirty trap.

August 28, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.

Did I translate that right? :-)

August 28, 2012 at 8:38 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123 said...No evolutionist has ever proposed "leaps to a new species".I do believe that evolutionists say that all life "evolved" from a single celled protozoa over the last 3.8 billion years.Every single different species that ever lived evolved from the very same single celled animal?Why the large differences between the species? why don't they continue to evolve instead of dying off?

August 28, 2012 at 8:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"I do believe that evolutionists say that all life "evolved" from a single celled protozoa over the last 3.8 billion years."

And? There was no "leap" involved.

"Every single different species that ever lived evolved from the very same single celled animal?"

Yes.

"Why the large differences between the species?"

It's called evolution. More specifically, speciation.

"why don't they continue to evolve instead of dying off?"

Populations evolve, not individuals. How many times do I have to say it?

August 28, 2012 at 8:44 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

The Earth is Flat — It's in the Bible!

"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth." Isaiah 11:12

Let's teach Creation Science from the Bible. There's nothing like talking serpents and a talking donkey that proves Gawd is real. Why? Because Gawd said so. How do we know that's true? It's in the Bible. Who wrote the Bible? Gawd couldn't write so he told a bunch of men what to say. How do we know the men got it right? They said Gawd told them what to write. on and on in the most circular reasoning possible. Gawd said this. Gawd said that. Gawd pulled a rabbit out of his hat.

Read Your Bible — it's more fun than sending sin-infested, demon-filled unbaptized babies to hell for eternity! Gawd is so loving!

August 28, 2012 at 8:52 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

tderng, learn some science first so you don't look so foolish posting here.

August 28, 2012 at 8:54 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123...I believe my exact comment was "The life on earth being only about 3.8 billion years in the making and the time that it takes for even a small amount of evolving to occur does not support Darwinisms origin of species." Nowhere did I say anything about "from the big bang".Talk about reading comprehension.Strange how some species haven't perceptibly changed in millions of years(crocodiles,sharks) while others have changed dramatically,but with no fossil record of these changes occurring.For instance there is no fossil record of the long-necked giraffe evolving from the short-necked species that came before it.No gradual changes over time can be found.

August 28, 2012 at 9:05 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tderng: Don't argue with Easy...he minored in Econ at E. Brainerd J.C. (nights)

August 28, 2012 at 9:20 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative, if there's something on your mind, by all means, spit it out. Quoting my consistent position on an alleged event in history, according to the Bible, is fine and dandy, but what point are you trying to make?

Are you posting my words because you agree with them?

August 28, 2012 at 9:21 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"Nowhere did I say anything about "from the big bang"."

Mathematics does not support evolution to our current form.There simply isn't enough time since the big bang for all of the various life forms to have evolved to the point they are now.There are no fossil records that show the leap from one form to another.Rather the fossil records show a sudden explosion of new species at various times during the earth's history.

Would you like to try again, sweetheart?

"Strange how some species haven't perceptibly changed in millions of years(crocodiles,sharks) while others have changed dramatically"

Both species you have mentioned have changed over millions of years.

http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/studentresearch/costarica02/crocodiles/articles/crocodilians2.htm

http://www.elasmo-research.org/education/evolution/evol_s_predator.htm

"but with no fossil record of these changes occurring."

False. See the links above.

"For instance there is no fossil record of the long-necked giraffe evolving from the short-necked species that came before it."

The fossil record is incomplete. But there are intermediates between the two.

http://www.bringyou.to/GiraffeEvolution.pdf

http://www.science.smith.edu/msi/pdf/i0076-3519-005-01-0001.pdf

"No gradual changes over time can be found."

False.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZyMx3Sz5JjQ/T_iU5n1ujKI/AAAAAAAAARY/lUPYPOcz0B0/s1600/giraffeEvoluion.jpg

August 28, 2012 at 9:25 p.m.
tderng said...

well it's been fun yanking your chain easy. g'nite for now. ikeithlu. I know lots of science.I'm even open to reading different points of view,and giving it some consideration,unlike some others here.Science is an ever changing field.Theories come and go some very well accepted theories are even proven to be wrong.Just because I'm willing to speculate doesn't mean that I believe.

August 28, 2012 at 9:27 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

First, it was Sale Creek, then St. Elmo, now its East Brainerd. Is your dementia getting worse?

Let me help you!

http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=3765701

August 28, 2012 at 9:29 p.m.
tderng said...

Jack...I know but sometimes I need a laugh and jerking easy around can be fun and I can't let you have all the fun!

August 28, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"well it's been fun yanking your chain easy."

By "yanking your chain", I assume you mean being completely ignorant of evolution and science in general.

"I know lots of science."

Your posts would prove otherwise.

"I'm even open to reading different points of view,and giving it some consideration,unlike some others here."

Evolution isn't a differing point of view. It's a fact. There is no way around it.

"Science is an ever changing field"

Science never changes. New discoveries happen. But the method stays the same.

"Theories come and go some very well accepted theories are even proven to be wrong."

Scientific theories do not "come and go". Hypothesis are proven wrong. A theory is as high as you can go in the field of science.

"Just because I'm willing to speculate doesn't mean that I believe."

Those aren't speculations. You are presenting bunk science and a blatant ignorance of facts. Nothing you have said serves as "speculation". You posts are proof that you have done very little, if any, research on the topic.

Heck, you can't even remember what you post. Read a book, Google it, watch videos. Do research before you "speculate". Then all your questions will be answered.

"I know but sometimes I need a laugh and jerking easy around can be fun and I can't let you have all the fun!"

Come back anytime you want to be shown how ignorant you are! Talk about fun! :-)

August 28, 2012 at 9:36 p.m.
degage said...

conservative, Al has been drinking to much of Easys kool aid. Wants to profess to be a christian then comes across with some of Easys reteric about the bible. He doesn't understand it.

August 28, 2012 at 9:40 p.m.
Walden said...

The RNC is off to a great start! Looking forward to hearing from Mrs. Romney and Governor Christie! We are well underway to taking Bama and Plugs out!

August 28, 2012 at 9:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

What is"reteric"?

You don't understand it.

You have been drinking too much "cough medicine".

August 28, 2012 at 9:44 p.m.
Walden said...

Artur Davis, yes!!!!!

August 28, 2012 at 9:47 p.m.
tderng said...

ikeithlu...debating sometimes means taking the opposing point of view whether you are in total agreement or not.It's what makes debating fun.

August 28, 2012 at 9:48 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Poor mira, STILL just totally obsessed with Ron Paul. Or do you call him...Ronny? If Obama was a good president, you wouldn't need to hope for Ron Paul to get him reelected. Your obsessed, and it shows.

August 28, 2012 at 10:22 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

easy, since you're a self proclaimed expert in everything, why do you ask so many questions?

August 28, 2012 at 10:25 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Hey, does anybody know when the RNC convention gets underway? I thought it was this week. I guess the three people I am most interested in hearing speak would be Bahbi Jindaal, Donald Trump and Ron Paul. Have they released the days/times when these guys will be speaking?

August 28, 2012 at 10:34 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Yeah, why haven't I seen Jeremiah Wright listed for a spot at the DNC? Maybe I just missed it. I couldn't find Bill Maher's name in the list either...huh...

August 28, 2012 at 10:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

"since you're a self proclaimed expert in everything"

I haven't proclaimed expertise in anything. Try again.

"why do you ask so many questions?"

"So many"? I don't recall asking an abundance of questions.

August 28, 2012 at 10:40 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "He doesn't understand it."

Then if you would be so kind...how about giving it your best shot and explain it to me. Clearly, conservative isn't going to rise to the challenge.

How 'bout you?

August 28, 2012 at 11:07 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo said, "Mymy, you're a snippy little biddy, convinced of your own superiority, and it is anything but becoming for a woman of your age. Do yourself a favor and SHUT THE HELL UP"!!

Really alpo? You are completely convinced of you're alleged superiority in every subject. Easy as well.

August 28, 2012 at 11:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

Show where Alprova or myself have "alleged superiority in every subject". Go ahead, I'll wait.

August 28, 2012 at 11:31 p.m.
dude_abides said...

toes... you laid off? Awful late for you to be here.

August 28, 2012 at 11:35 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: Is it true that you verify computers?

August 29, 2012 at 12:01 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

328Kwebsite- Surely you are aware that Coach Markis and Walker County Superintendent Damon Raines have been contacted multiple times by phone and email and have refused to respond. They both are free to respond to the complaints anytime they choose. Thanks to Brian Joyce on 102.3 FM for his coverage of this issue the last few days. And thanks to the FFRF for standing up for the Constitution. Proud donor to Americans United for Separation of Church and State. Keep the wall intact.

August 29, 2012 at 12:03 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Which hat should be on top? Bonhoeffer's or Hitler's? Look, if there is a God, obviously He outranks the United States of America. (If not, then it's OK to eat atheists. But relax, atheists, my wife and her mother have experienced miracles, so I know triune Jehovah doesn't want us to eat y'all.) That's not to say He insists on coaches leading prayers, nor that talking to or about Him can replace good coaching, or good performance in other jobs. (President Obama going to church is good as far as it goes, but it doesn't make him a good President.) But freedom for such speech in its place I think He does prefer; and a country of freedom of speech, rather than censor Christian speech, should repent of hypocrisy.

August 29, 2012 at 12:32 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

ikeithlu...debating sometimes means taking the opposing point of view whether you are in total agreement or not.It's what makes debating fun.

If you think being wrong is fun, that's fine with me. There is no scientific "debate" regarding whether evolution happened.

August 29, 2012 at 1:57 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

AndrewLohr wrote: " . . .But relax, atheists, my wife and her mother have experienced miracles, so I know triune Jehovah doesn't want us to eat y'all."

What miracles, pray tell?

Is triune Jehovah any kin to Bill Jehovah in Harrison?

Andrew Lohr also wrote: "But freedom for such speech in its place I think He does prefer; and a country of freedom of speech, rather than censor Christian speech, should repent of hypocrisy."

What unintelligible blather! Ask Gawd for a clarification the next time He's in town.

August 29, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
chatt_man said...

dude, the RNC is underway, you're just looking to your usual news sources. Matter of fact, they're having an all-white convention this year. Check it out!

http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/28/msnbc-abandons-gop-convention-during-every-speech-by-a-minority/

August 29, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.
spendy said...

In 1940 Time magazine quoted Einstein lauding the Church for its role in opposing the Nazis:

"Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."

August 31, 2012 at 1:20 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Of course after the war, the Catholic church was found to have enabled Hitler and Mussolini in many ways. Catholics in Poland turned in Jews and helped send them to death camps. Good Lithuanian Catholics and Protestants joined the Home Guard and Nazi units to rid themselves of Jews.

Pope Pius XII collaborated with the Nazis using Jesuits to forge papers for Nazi war criminals to escape from Allied justice. The infamous "Rat Line" was part of the Catholic protection. This is just one instance of Catholic Church help to the Nazis and Italian Fascists.

Don't forget until the 1960s the official Catholic policy was that Jews were responsible of the death of Jesus and were not forgiven for that "crime."

While the Nazis had their six million, the Catholic Church has responsibility for millions more throughout its sordid existence.

The current Pope was a Hitler Youth member. As a Cardinal, Joseph Ratzinger was responsible for allowing pedophile priests to remain as priests in contact with potential victims.

If there was ever a religious organization that has been more cruel, corrupt, and murderous in its actions, I am unaware of it. Killing, plunder, and exploitation has been a hallmark of the Vatican for 1700 years.

Even Muslims must take a backseat to the Catholic Church when it comes to a long, holy reign of terror.

August 31, 2012 at 9:11 p.m.
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