published Thursday, August 30th, 2012

You need to use pronouns correctly and other letters to the editors

You need to use pronouns correctly

I've been waiting since Aug. 13 to see if someone sharper than myself would correct an editorial on its inability to distinguish between "that" and "those." No one has, so I step into the breach.

I refer to the Free Press' failure to demonstrate that it sees the difference between these two relative pronouns in the editorial "You didn't build 'that.'"

It accuses the president of not knowing the difference and aptly supplies Obama's July 12 quotation in Roanoke, Va. I only have 200 words, not the nearly two columns the editorial consumed, so, unable to repeat the context, I am constrained to give only the relevant sentence.

The president mentions a number of things that might be called infrastructure, roads, bridges, the Internet, the American system, teachers. Then he says, "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that." This clearly means that we all benefit from those who came before us and created things that enabled us to thrive.

"That" obviously refers to the last noun mentioned, "a business." If Obama had used "those" to refer to a single business, he would have been grammatically incorrect.

LARRY INGLE


WCA initiative properly submitted

In an article (front page of Metro, Aug. 25), reporter Cliff Hightower erroneously stated: "The group (Westside Community Association) wants an ordinance that would require the city's public housing authority to replace any demolished unit with a new unit -- a one-for-one swap."

WCA's zoning ordinance would cause all new downtown housing developments with 10 or more residential units to provide affordable housing for low- and moderate-income people.

We properly submitted to the Election Commission for its action as required by state law after which we planned to obtain the required signatures for submission to the commission for inspection and certification, then, if there were sufficient signatures, submit them to the City Council.

However, based on an erroneous opinion of the city attorney that our initiative should have been filed with the City Council, and his arguable opinion that the decision of the state Appeals Court regarding the recall of the mayor will determine whether or not the commission should accept our initiative. The commission delayed any action on our submission.

The WCA unanimously voted that our president intervene in this matter before the state Appeals Court.

KARL EPPERSON, Vice President, Westside Community Association


Akin's words reveal values

Re: the Free Press editorial "Take our the trash, Missouri" (Aug. 25). Thank you for labeling Todd Akin's statement "medically illiterate, politically stupid and morally offensive."

My wife and I recently have moved back to Chattanooga after being away for 41 years. For the last 12 years, our congressional representative whom we left behind was Todd Akin. We worked against him during every election because of his values and ideology as revealed in that statement. His words were not "a mistake," as he now says in his "apology." He believed every word he spoke.

Akin is dangerous because he truly believes he has been chosen by God to do and say what he does, which is why he is refusing to back down regardless of who tells him.

Not only is he ignorant of reproductive facts, he has no regard for any and all women's decisions, health issues, or conception circumstances.

FRANKLIN McCALLIE

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Livn4life said...

Thanks Larry Ingle for getting us all straightened out on THAT...or is it THOSE?

August 30, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
Easy123 said...

LARRY INGLE,

Not quite.

Let's change it around:

"You didn't build that if you've got a business."

Wow! That was easy.

Obama wasn't very artful when he was giving that speech. But his meaning was very clear. People make grammatical errors all the time; especially during oration. No one likes a grammar Nazi.

You need to use your brain correctly.

August 30, 2012 at 11:21 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION:

"Not only is he ignorant of reproductive facts, he has no regard for any and all women's decisions, health issues, or conception circumstances." [I truly believe this author means well...but!]

Look a little closer. Please just look again...a l-i-t-t-l-e closer. Reconsider the "Women's Decisions"!

The child is in the Mother's womb. So, the Mother thinks, "Humm, this child is a part of my body, ergo, i can murder him/her". Or, if the Mother does not think she has a child, or, developing child in Life-Process in her womb, then, she may think, "I choose to get rid of 'It'".

Now, {look, and, look again---look a little closer}. If Mom decides to follow thru with this reasoning, or, lack thereof, then Mom may now decide, "Hmmm, I have some of my own Mom's blood, (and her Dad's genetics) in My body. I don't want this, and, since it is part of My body, then, I will Murder Myself and get rid of It".

Well, Folks, 'NEWS FLASH'...Self Murder is against the law. It is a crime!

Now, I know that one does not have to commit Self Murder to terminate a Life-Process [Abortion]. Yet, to carry through with that line of thinking, then, where does it stop? Maybe, since that Mother has a fully developed Child which has her blood, and, she does not desire some of her own [pro-choice] blood being there, then, Mother has the Right to Choose to Murder this Person which she allowed to complete the Life-Process from the time of conception?

Hey, Miss/Mrs./MS ____('your name goes on the line') (I know some news personalities call them Feminazis, but, i don't), or, Mr., etc. Please rethink your God/Goddess-Like thinking. It just may be that if something within that thinking does not change, then, you may find yourself in big trouble with the True God...The Lord God of Hosts, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who said, "Thou Shalt Not Murder!" Exodus 20:13

King James Version (KJV)

August 30, 2012 at 4:16 p.m.
UjokinRIGHTQ said...

The GOP keynote "We Builit It" speaker,Sher Valenzuela, really didn't BUILD THAT.

According to the Huffington Post, Valenzuela business has actually relied heavily on government guaranteed loans and government contracts. In fact, her business would not exist today without them, and would like fold if those government corporate welfare checks stopped comming in.

Huffington Post 08/25/2012

" First State Manufacturing, Valenzuela's company, has received more than $2 million in federal loans, according to a Small Business Administration document. Among the loans is $20,000 in SBA-backed credit that Valenzuela and her husband received to get their business started. In addition, Valenzuela borrowed $1.8 million in government-backed funding to build her firm's 66,000 square-foot facility {funded by a SBA 504 loan}, where at least 40 technicians work today.

On top of that, First State has benefited from $15 million in federal contracts since 2001, receiving at least $1.5 million each year between 2006 and 2011, according to government data.

This is not the first time that an entrepreneur tapped by the Romney campaign to espouse its "We Built It" message turned out to have relied on the government for help with their business.

Dennis Sollmann, the owner of Sollmann Electric Company, who appeared in a Romney web ad criticizing the president for his "you didn't build that" line, did millions of dollars worth of work for the government. In addition, Jack Gilchrist, the owner of Gilchrist Metal Fabricating, who starred in another Romney ad, received $800,000 in tax-exempt revenue bonds, as well as sub-contracts in 2008 from the U.S. Navy.

footnote: "This year alone, Valenzuela's company has received over a half a million dollars in government contracts with the Air Foce and defense contractors such as Lockeed Martin."

All I have to say is, y'all are being hoodwinked, bamboozled, razzled and dazzled by all the lies regurgitating from the right

August 30, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
UjokinRIGHTQ said...

ORRMEANSLIGHT said......The Lord God of Hosts, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who said, "Thou Shalt Not Murder!" Exodus 20:13

Unless you make war against a nation? Then murder is just dandy?

According to 1 Samuel, didn't God order Saul to kill all the Amalekites? That he was to spare no one? No man, woman, child, babies, livestock? God was only royally peed with Saul because he failed to follow through on the order. He spared the king of the Amalekites, and kept the yummier livestock for himself for future comsumption.

Then Saul attacked the Amalekites all the way from Havilah to Shur, to the east of Egypt. 8 He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword. 9 But Saul and the army spared Agag and the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves and lambs—everything that was good.

pssst! Actually, Exodus 20:13 say THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

August 30, 2012 at 4:49 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

UjokinRIGHTQ, Yes, the Authorized King James Version of The Holy Bible says 'kill' through a 'not so good' English translation. The precise type of 'killing' the text intended is 'murder'. I stand corrected that I should have used another Holy Bible translation on this one. Thank You for discovering this. The 'pssst!' is rich, delightful usage here!..kwo

Oh, humans probably should not order killing other humans...The Lord God of Hosts, on the other hand, certainly can. Revelation 1:18...Jesus said, "I Am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I Am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

Hebrew 9:27"...And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:.."

Genesis 6:17"...And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die."

Matthew 15:4 "...For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death."

Romans 5:12 "...Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:.."

James 1:15"...Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

1 Corinthians 15:26"...The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."

Revelation 21:4"...And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

August 30, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.
tipper said...

ORRMEANSLIGHT: Okay, I don't know. What's the answer to today's Bible riddle?

August 30, 2012 at 8:07 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Today's Bible riddle? Let...me...see? Me thinks.......the answer is 'Invisible'! Is that correct tipper?

August 30, 2012 at 8:37 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

It's in the Bible. Non-virgins must die!

“If any man takes a wife and goes in to her and then turns against her, and charges her with shameful deeds and publicly defames her, and says, ‘I took this woman, but when I came near her, I did not find her a virgin,’ then the girl’s father and her mother shall take and bring out the evidence of the girl’s virginity to the elders of the city at the gate. The girl’s father shall say to the elders, ‘I gave my daughter to this man for a wife, but he turned against her; and behold, he has charged her with shameful deeds, saying, “I did not find your daughter a virgin.” But this is the evidence of my daughter’s virginity.’ And they shall spread the garment before the elders of the city. So the elders of that city shall take the man and chastise him, and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give it to the girl’s father, because he publicly defamed a virgin of Israel. And she shall remain his wife; he cannot divorce her all his days.

“But if this charge is true, that the girl was not found a virgin, then they shall bring out the girl to the doorway of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death because she has committed an act of folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father’s house; thus you shall purge the evil from among you." Deuteronomy 22:13-21

So you virgins out there — save your sheets! Christians will want some sheet spreading (the Hamilton County Commission are the judges since they're Gawd's appointed prayermeisters and official sheet inspectors for this area).

And you non-virgins? Get ready and get stoned! Aren't you glad that Gawd loves submissive women?

Read your Bible! It's more fun than Conquistadors in the New World spreading the Christian love of Bubba Ray Jesus (no kin to Billy Ray Jesus in East Ridge whose only miracle was turning beer into urine).

Glory to Gawd for His divine love, morality, and justice. What a Great Gawd!

August 31, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Old Testament...New Testament...Hummm

CONCLUSION:

Isaiah 55:9...King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

daytonsdarwin, I love You with the love of Jesus Christ of Nazareth...although...no offense meant, maybe, no-I repent, 'Offense meant', I would much rather believe The Lord God of Hosts, The Most High God of Israel and His Holy One,,,,,,,Than 'believe' You. Than 'believe' You. Believe You?

Ken ORR

August 31, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Still waiting for that proof of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spook. Proof of miracles, resurrection, talking serpents and donkeys, riding to heaven in a chariot, virgin births, Noah's Ark, all of those little troubling, nagging details that are accepted by some only by faith, but for which there is no evidence—none—nada.

Bueller? Bueller? Gawd? Proof?

August 31, 2012 at 3:35 p.m.
jesse said...

Darwin,will you please quit pokin at Ken! You get him all stired up and he's gonna be dragin stuff outta his holy book for the next week!!

August 31, 2012 at 8:14 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Biblical prophecy:

Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. (The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

Archaeology:

Well documented artifacts such as Western Wall – (c. 19 BC) is an important Jewish religious site located in the Old City of Jerusalem. Just over half the wall, including its 17 courses located below street level, dates from the end of the Second Temple period, being constructed around 19 BC by Herod the Great. The remaining layers were added from the 7th century onwards. The Dead Sea Scrolls are a collection of 972[1] texts consisting of biblical manuscripts from what is now known as the Hebrew Bible and extra-biblical documents found between 1946 and 1956 on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea.

Anthropology:

Since God is a person and He does not have a body, but is spirit, we can safely argue that possessing a body is not the 'sine qua non' of being a person. That is, “personhood” can exist apart from embodiment. The term “anthropology” comes from two Greek words, namely, anthropos meaning “man” and logos meaning “word, matter, or thing.” We use the word “anthropology” to refer to the study of man and a Biblical anthropology is the study of man as understood primarily from Scripture. (The Anthropological Case can be easily substantiated). Cite: Study By: Greg Herrick

Historicity:

Josephus Tacitus Suetonius Julius Africanus Origen Pliny the Younger Witnesses. Many, Many, others! A gentleman, Kenneth Samples, said it better than I can: "Christian truth-claims do not violate the basic laws or principles of reason. Christian faith and doctrines (for example, the Trinity and the Incarnation), though they often transcend our finite human comprehension, are not irrational or absurd." Quote, now, unquote. Here is an example that we have been discussing: The God Particle (Higgs Boson). Even the existence of event horizons of intergalactic black holes had to be postulated, then, proven. Well, daytonsdarwin, I want Your Soul Saved...I really can't seem to help myself on that one. Here is another quote that says it better than me. "For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:..but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,..."

Ken ORR

August 31, 2012 at 9:47 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Still waiting for proof — hard evidence, not hearsay and rhetoric. If there was proof, it would have been presented. There being none, the argument for Jehovah is mute and without merit.

Like Nostradamus, Bible prophecy is full of BS — much like horoscopes.

August 31, 2012 at 10:02 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Here is a prophecy for You, daytonsdarwin, You will absolutely receive Your Proof of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. My absolute prayer is that You will like that Proof.

Hidden With Christ Jesus, In God,

Ken ORR

August 31, 2012 at 11:32 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Do we trust what man believed 2,000+ years ago? Or do we trust what man has learned since?

Better find a new god; the old one is dead.

September 1, 2012 at 3:02 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CONCLUSION: ABSOLUTE, CONCLUSION:

I can't join You in that one, daytonsdarwin, there's just too many risks involved. I'd rather take my chances (i don't believe it's chance, really) with the way I believe. But, since Jesus Christ of Nazareth gives You a choice, well, i certainly cannot do any differently. I pray for Your salvation/redemption because I do want blessings to come Your way. +(:>&[@=; Peace!

Ken ORR

September 1, 2012 at 3:46 p.m.
rolando said...

YOUR god might be dead, DD, but ours is doing quite well.

September 1, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

My blessings come from not believing in a myth as reality, nor in living my life with undeserved guilt and original sin, nor paying lip service or cash to Jehovah's profiteers.

My salvation and redemption was when I put away those childish superstitions many years ago.

Since you cannot offer evidence of any god, or proof of the Bible as a factual document as I've requested, please save your palaver for the gullible, superstitious, and guilt-ridden individuals who fall prey to such.

If hard evidence is found, I'll take a look. But until then, Jehovah and the Bible are nothing more than man-made creations.

September 1, 2012 at 3:59 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rolando,

"YOUR god might be dead, DD, but ours is doing quite well."

Which god is this again? Zeus, Allah, Wotan, Brahman, Baha, Ahura Mazda, Vishnu, Yahweh, Gitche Manitou, Shiva, Elohim, Huwa, El Cantare....? There are many more but, for the sake of time, I'll leave it at that.

Which fairy tale go do you believe in?

Your god isn't dead. Your god simply never existed.

September 1, 2012 at 4:36 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin, I've provided that to You for months now. The above post needed changed a little, so, here it is. Please go to this link:

http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible

2,000 Biblical prophecies:

The odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance, without error, is less than one in 10 to the 2,000th (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

Nostradamus...devoid of any meaning/fraud!

Archaeology:

Well documented artifacts such as Western Wall – (c. 19 BC) is an important Jewish religious site located in the Old City of Jerusalem. Just over half the wall, including its 17 courses located below street level, dates from the end of the Second Temple period, being constructed around 19 BC by Herod the Great. The remaining layers were added from the 7th century onwards. The Dead Sea Scrolls are a collection of 972 texts consisting of biblical manuscripts from what is now known as the Hebrew Bible and extra-biblical documents found between 1946 and 1956 on the northwest shore of the Dead Sea.

Anthropology:

Since God is a person and He does not have a body, but is spirit, we can safely argue that possessing a body is not the 'sine qua non' of being a person. That is, “personhood” can exist apart from embodiment. The term “anthropology” comes from two Greek words, namely, anthropos meaning “man” and logos meaning “word, matter, or thing.” We use the word “anthropology” to refer to the study of man and a Biblical anthropology is the study of man as understood primarily from Scripture. (The Anthropological Case can be easily substantiated). Cite: Study By: Greg Herrick

Historicity:

Josephus Tacitus Suetonius Julius Africanus Origen Pliny the Younger Witnesses. Many, Many, others! A gentleman, Kenneth Samples, said it better than I can: "Christian truth-claims do not violate the basic laws or principles of reason. Christian faith and doctrines (for example, the Trinity and the Incarnation), though they often transcend our finite human comprehension, are not irrational or absurd." Quote, now, unquote. Here is an example that we have been discussing: The God Particle (Higgs Boson). Even the existence of event horizons/singularity of intergalactic black holes had to be postulated, then, proven. Well, daytonsdarwin, I want Your Soul Saved...I really can't seem to help myself on that one. Here is another quote that says it better than me. "For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:..but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,..."

Ken ORR

September 1, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"2,000 Biblical prophecies"

How do you know they were fulfilled? You are basically saying the Bible is true because prophecies in one part of it were fulfilled in another part. That isn't evidence. You are using the Bible to prove the authenticity of the Bible.

"Archaeology"

What you have presented isn't proof of anything. The Western Wall was part of Solomon's Temple. It doesn't serve as proof of anything.

"Anthropology"

What you have presented here is incoherent babble. It makes no logical sense and does not serve as proof of anything other than your gullibility.

"Historicity"

Most of the ancient historians did not live during the time of Jesus. Those historians heard about "Christus" third and fourth hand. None of their accounts serve as proof.

"Christian truth-claims do not violate the basic laws or principles of reason. Christian faith and doctrines (for example, the Trinity and the Incarnation), though they often transcend our finite human comprehension, are not irrational or absurd."

Christian truth claims do violate basic reason. How can any human being know whether something transcends our finite comprehension? You cannot make that claim because by doing so, you are claiming to comprehend things which you just admitted are impossible to comprehend. It's a fallacious argument.

Would you like to try again with your "proof'?

September 1, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Watch these videos. I know you won't understand them or get the point because you are so thoroughly brainwashed and ignorant that even the simplest truths escape you. But they are very good videos, nonetheless.

September 1, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Thank You for the links, Easy123, I certainly will view them. Peace! kwo

September 2, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.
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