published Monday, December 3rd, 2012

5-at-10: College football excellence, bowls, coaches and some existentialism

It was a mind-bending weekend. The highs were extreme. The lows were too. The regulars know this, but this place is not about politics or policy or even policing the actions of others outside the realm of sports. Sure, we have our beliefs and we hold them dear and true, but there are hundreds of other boxing rings of band width for the shouting matches that follow when words like "right" and "left" are used without "field" or "handed" directly in tow.

That said, we'd be remiss not to mention the tragedy that was the entire Jovan Belcher deal. Belcher killed his girlfriend — a woman with whom Belcher had a 3-month-old daughter — and then killed himself at the Kansas City Chiefs' football complex. It's hard to know what to feel about this other than the highest grade of sympathy for the family of those involved, especially the little girl, and the highest grade of respect for the way Romeo Crennel handled himself, his team and the situation Sunday.

With the mood now set on, "Thanks, 5-at-10 for ruining our morning," let's get to BID-ness.

From the "Talks too much studios," let's make like a rock and roll...

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    Georgia safety Shawn Williams (36) and Kwame Geathers (99) trackle Alabama running back T.J. Yeldon (4) during the second half of the Southeastern Conference championship NCAA college football†game, Saturday, Dec. 1, 2012, in Atlanta.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

SEC title game classic

What do you say about the classics? How do you describe the Mona Lisa or the Sistine Chapel? You don't of course, other than to say you have seen it.

That's how those of us who watched Alabama's 32-28 SEC championship game win over Georgia felt. We had just witnessed something resembling perfection, and while the words may have escaped us, there are certain levels of greatness that defy definition other than just the realization it was truly great.

In fact, whether it's a trip to Disney, a great football game or a plate of chili-cheese fries, one of the purest definitions of true greatness is you don't want it to end. That's how we felt Saturday evening as our dinner got cold approaching the 8 o'clock hour and Georgia and Alabama were still swapping haymakers and big plays and big emotional swings. It was awesome in its awesomeness, and it's hard to remember a game with that much on the line — remember, this was the SEC title game and the de facto BCS semifinal — that was better. Sure, Auburn's 22-19 BCS title game win in 2010 (boy that feels like two seasons in dog years, no?) was tight and decided on Wes Bynum's field goal on the final play of the game at 12:08 a.m., Jan. 11 (sorry, AU folks are clinging to any good feelings right now), but that game was no where near as aesthetically pleasing as Saturday's.

In fact, here's our takeaway, roughly 38-plus hours after it ended:

— How big was the two-point try that Alabama converted late in the third quarter? The Tide's two-pointer altered the scoring scale — it moved the Tide within a field goal at 21-18 at the time — and after two more Alabama TDs and a Georgia touchdown, the 32-28 final meant Georgia had to score a TD at the end. If Alabama had kicked the extra point, then the Bulldogs would have only needed a field goal on that final drive to force OT.

— Wait, so that means, the classic game could have been better? Whoa, that's like saying we could add a permanent trucker hat with one of those cool sayings like "Will brake for beer" or "It's 5 o'clock somewhere" to the Statue of David. Awesome. And awful.

— OK, NIck Saban is the best in the BID-ness. We knew this going in, but like the level of excellence of this game, we're even more certain of it now. Plus, if you haven't seen Dan Wetzel's excellent story about Saban taking notes on what he and the program have to do next while he's on the podium waiting for the SEC championship trophy, go here

— The overflow of talent on the field Saturday was scary. Georgia's pass rush and secondary were good. Alabama's offensive line and running backs were amazing. And of all the first-round names we mentioned last week — we love the draft, you know this, and there were likely as many 14 first-rounders in that game — Tide wide receiver Amari Cooper may have been the best athlete on the field, which was full of amazing athletes.

— P-Davi, a Crimson and Cream Bama fan to the marrow of his bones, sent along a question that was mailbag-worthy in the minutes following the Tide's win: "Mount Rushmore of SEC title games... Whattaya got and who's Washington and Lincoln?" And there's no way we could wait until Friday's mailbag: We'll take Saturday (Lincoln since it was great but it will only grow in legend — rightly or wrongly because of the stars and the stage and the stature of this one), 1994: Florida 24, Alabama 23, 1992: Alabama 28, Florida 21 (Washington since it was the first one and set the stage for the greatness of the future) and 1997: Tennessee 30, Auburn 29.

What a game.


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    Notre Dame running back Theo Riddick, right, and wide receiver Luke Massa, left, celebrate after Notre Dame defeated Southern California 22-13 in an NCAA college football game, Saturday, Nov. 24, 2012, in Los Angeles.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Let's bowl

That phrase "Let's Bowl" was the starting point of one of the dance scenes in Grease 2. Which begs two questions: First, where does Grease 2 rank in the list of bad sequels? (We say pretty high; it's not Caddyshack 2 bad — what is? — but it's bad, even with a young Michelle Pfeiffer.) Second, how badly have we wasted a good memory since it's filled with TV trivia, sports facts and bad movies? Alas.

That said, let's examine the bowl roster. The complete list with dates and times and TV info is on our web site. We'll keep that updated with the scores throughout the bowl season. Plus, we're still committed to our third annual "A bowler wearing a bowler and a bowl tie Super Bowl bowl challenge bowl." We'll set the rules later this week, and we're leaning toward last year's format of putting all the bowls in various points categories and going at it. But if you have an opinion, share — we'll always looking for better ways.

As for the actual bowl games, let's take a look:

Title game: Alabama vs. Notre Dame, Jan. 7. There's more than a month to debate this one so we'll get into it later. But, all things considered, it feels like the BCS again has the two best teams in the country, right? And if you think the four-team playoff would be better this year, well, you're wrong. Sure a playoff would be more fun because it would triple the number of bowl games that really matter, but the field and the selections would not be any more fair. The field of the four-team playoff on the horizon for the 2014 season will be picked by a selection committee, and everyone involved in the process has said they will lean on conference champions. There was even a proposal that one at-large team and the three highest-ranked champs of BCS conferences would be the format, and if that's the basis, then the four teams would be No. 1-seed Notre Dame, No. 2 Alabama, third-seed Kansas State (which won the Big 12, is fifth in the BCS and got drummed by Baylor) and fourth-seeded Stanford (which won the Pac 12 title, is sixth in the BCS and has two losses). That leaves one-loss Florida and Oregon on the outside looking in, despite awesome resumes.

Here's our list of the best bowl games (and yes, it's a top 5 list in 10 words or less, also known as the 5-in-10 by the 5-at-10):

* BCS title game: Alabama vs. Notre Dame — Heavyweight matchup will be toughest ticket in college football history

* Fiesta Bowl: Oregon vs. Kansas State — First team to 60 wins... maybe

* Cotton Bowl: Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma — A guaranteed sell-out; Sooners swinging for all of Big 12

* Las Vegas Bowl: Washington vs. Boise State — The Broncos are always entertaining; Huskies are underrated

(Side note: Why has Washington coach Steve Sarkisian not gotten more of a look this offseason. We'd be tickled to have him on board to tell the truth.)

* Chick-fil-A Bowl: LSU vs. Clemson — Offensively challenged Tigers against offensively charged Tigers

As for the worst bowl games, well, there are too many to name. Seriously.


Coaching carousel

As Auburn, Arkansas and Tennessee continue to hunt for their next head football coach, some the other schools have found what they hope to be solutions.

We all know Kentucky landed Mark Stoops. We know Paul Petrino is the next coach at Idaho. Each seems to be an acceptable hire.

We also know that N.C. State has landed Northern Illinois coach Dave Doeren, a move that will get a lot of attention since Doeren and the Huskies are headed to the Orange Bowl.

We also know that another job has come open since South Florida fired Skip Holtz this weekend. This is especially important because if they move quickly South Florida could be a player in the hiring process. Think about some of the younger, hot names that may be marked off the list because of an unknown recruiting history. Well, go to South Florida for three years, win there and establish some recruiting connections and a young hot shot could write his ticket in three years. Plus, South Florida has next-to-nothing to lose in offering Bobby Petrino.

(Side note: Major props to Vandy for locking down James Franklin to a lock-term deal. Franklin has done major-league work at Vandy, and securing his services for the foreseeable future was both wise and willful. Well-played indeed.)

Here are the five names that keep circulating for more than one of the openings (and while we will not mention the bad-hair Lord Voldemort that will be working in the booth tonight on Monday Night Football, we don't believe that's complete over yet) and what we think about the coach and where he'll end up:

Bobby Petrino

View: As a coach, Petrino is elite. Dude is a football savant and calls ball plays like a young Steve Spurrier. As a guy, Petrino is a lout. Dude has left a debacle at every stop. We believe Petrino will be successful wherever he goes; we also believe the fans of that program will feel the need to shower after every game.

Destination: Auburn

Jimbo Fisher

View: Good coach. Good guy. That said, dude has way more talent than everyone else in the ACC, and in truth, this FSU team does not fare well head-to-head with Tennessee when comparing resumes. Tennessee beat N.C. State and lost 37-20 to Florida because of a fourth-quarter meltdown; FSU lost to N.C. State and lost 37-26 to Florida because of a fourth-quarter meltdown.

Destination: If he leaves, Tennessee

Gus Malzahn

View: Offensive whiz kid. It's hard to believe, but dude was a high school coach in 2005 and now he's about to land a big-boy job. We think he'll be successful — nine or 10 wins — but it's tough to win it all with that offense without a Cam Newton or a Tim Tebow.

Destination: Nowhere yet (he'll be money next year, or he may be Auburn's fall back choice; that said, if we're South Florida, this is our first call)

Charlie Strong

View: Excellent coach with a long history of success as a defensive coordinator in the SEC before going to Louisville and winning on a BCS-level scale. The Cardinals will face Florida in the Sugar Bowl next month.

Destination: We know a growing circle of UT folks who like the cut of his jib. That said, we can see this situation playing out similarly to Vandy and Franklin. In fact, after winning the Big East title game this weekend, we can see Strong getting a sizable extension in the coming days.

This and that (the existential edition)

— Cool NFL moment for 15-year vet Charlie Batch, the Pittsburgh Steelers' third-string quarterback who was forced into action because of injury. Batch led the Steelers on a fourth-quarter, season-saving drive to beat the hated Baltimore Ravens. Batch openly cried with joy on the sideline after the game-winning field goal, and his emotion — the tears of success, of redemption, of perseverance, of faith, of fear, of strength and every other thing that's great about sports — were real and true. Sports can be joyous.

— The inspired Orlando Magic topped the Los Angeles Lakers and former studduck center Dwight Howard. In a reversal of fortune, the Magic fouled the poor-shooting Howard over and over again. Howard missed 12 free throws in the 113-103 loss that dropped L.A. to 8-9. Sports can be a dish best served cold.

— The Fab 4 (plus 1) picks went 4-1 this weekend, with big wins with West Virginia, Hawaii, Northern Illinois and Louisiana Lafayette. Our loss was with Oklahoma State, and we still think that was the good pick. That makes us 51-21-2, and 30 games over .500 against the spread is worth a bucket truck of entertainment. Last year we were 58-30-2, so if you’re scoring at home, we’re 109-51-4 against the spread in the last two years. Sports can be profitable.

Today’s question

Gang, there’s a slew of stuff to take a swing at today.

There’s the bowl stuff — Which bowl game is the best? Which is the worst? Who got jobbed the most? Who got the biggest break?

There’s the NFL — did you know that the Falcons clinched the NFC South this weekend? How about the Texans clinching a playoff spot after 12 games?

There’s the college hoops start — Duke is better than we thought, UT allowed less than a point a minute and still lost Friday, and UTC gave up more than two points a minute and was drummed Saturday. Discuss.

As for the abstract, for some reason Ozzie Smith sold his collection of Gold Gloves — he won 13 in a row from 1980-92 — for more than $519,000. He also sold two Cards World Series rings for a combined $100K. There was a slew of sports collectibles sold at this auction — pairs of Ali’s boxing gloves went for $385K, a Babe Ruth Yankees sweater went for $250K, Paul Hornung’s Heisman Trophy (that should have been Jonny Majors’ Heisman trophy) went for $173K.

Question: What piece of sports memorabilia would you over pay to acquire? We’ll start with Kirk Gibson’s bat from the 1988 World Series. Wes Bynum’s jersey from the BCS title game tow years ago would look pretty sweet in a frame at the 5-at-10 compound, too.


about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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orangeguy said...

No mention of Gundy? Sure, can't see him leaving OSU, but if my undying loyalty to my alma mater is for sale I could do much worse than Tennessee or Arkansas.

I want the shoe of the o-lineman that tripped Clint Stoerner in '98. I'd also take the microphone that Skip Caray screamed "he is SAFE! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win!" into on Sid Bream's slide in '92. I'd take any McGwire HR bat from '98 as well. As synthetically enhanced as that chase was it will always be one of my favorite summers.

December 3, 2012 at 10:32 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

You know how Russ the bulldog eventually got promoted to Uga status in the Seiler line of pets?

Will his successor be called Spike before getting the title of Uga Integer?

Went to Charlotte on Saturday night to see the ACC title game with a few thousand others. Great city, though. And it turned out to be a fairly entertaining game as Tech's defense showed up in the second half after taking the previous three months off.

What would I overpay for? Hmmm .... Jack Nicklaus' putter from the 1986 Masters. Bobby Orr's gold training camp sweater, when he wore 27 before wearing 4 for the remainder of his career. Either that or his 1972 Summit Series sweater, when the Canadian all-stars beat the Rooskies.

December 3, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
sportsfan said...

Jay - concur on the SEC title game being awesome in its awesomeness, but I have to say that Gary Danielson and Verne Lundquist with CBS were over the top in their desire to kiss Georgia on the mouth (as Les Miles would say). Did anyone else notice? BTW if figured Bama would win since Dr. B (he's a doctor for crying out loud) picked the Dawgs.

December 3, 2012 at 11 a.m.
fechancellor said...

OSU Gundy, who has a new 3 million crib and 3 million buy out was in Knoxville Sunday for talks with Hart?

I'm not buying any more of this BS until the white smoke comes out of the chimney. The UT Athletic Department apparently lies and manipulates to get its messages out these.

I'm thinking Mr. Hargis' two very fine pieces on Dooley's woeful recruiting stuck in someone's craw in K-Town. In that craw, "like we know all this, but we don't want prospective coaches to see it."

I may be off target, but IMHO what happened to Mr. Hargis and the CTFP were a set up for recent transgressions, and thus pounded on anvil that snuffed out the Gruden story for good.

I'm one upping you here, 10 Ring, my desire is Johnny Bench's bat from the '76 World Series.

December 3, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

This and that (part 1)

Before I get into sports some quick follow-ups Jay:

Did my front page and clippings arrive at the 5 at 10 office over on 11th Street?

Did you get a chance to check out the links involving Deion's Prime Time doo-doo?

Did you get a chance to check out Wreck It Ralph even though I'm guessing you had to explain to 5 at 10 2.0 (he's 5 after all) over half the character references?

December 3, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

This and That (part 2)

Didn't follow the SEC game because I had no stake involved. Was able to leave work two hours early on Saturday to check out a new Dallas bar/restaurant called Tried and True over on Henderson (As in Knox-Henderson for the other Dallanoogan on here). ::thumbs up on the crab patty sandwhich-fries still need a lot of work::

Caught Mocs-Davision with five minutes to go in the first half. Stayed for 10 minutes in the second and dogged it off after that. I know they're a young team but that's hard to watch.

Read where UTC is working on future plans all which involve McKenzie Arena going bye-bye (scary thought: I was year older then 5 at 10 2.0 when I watched the thing being built via mom driving me to speech therapy class in the city)

So does this mean it's back to McCellain Gym for the Mocs?

Finally, what's the 411 on this Tyler Roberson? Aside from the stats Frierson quoted. Example: star scale on Possible FBS interest and decided to go with us? My reason for asking with the next three years being the Silk and Huesman show, how will he factor in the picture?

December 3, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.
TennFlyer said...

Romeo did a great job in a bad situation. You can question his X's & O's ability, but you cannot question his heart and how much he cares about his players. Some coaches look at players as interchangable parts, some like sons. Also, did you catch the post game speech by Brady Quinn? -- awesome, dude nailed it. The one sports item I would overpay for would be Joe Namath's Super Bowl III jersey. BTW - are Rocky movies and Super Bowls the only reason americans know any roman numerals at all?

December 3, 2012 at 11:19 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

The BCS National Championship game is the Godfather II of the bowls. You get Pacino and DeNiro in their prime before they started parodying themselves.

The Fiesta is Rocky III. Fun to watch with some drama and some unexpectedly good acting. The Chick-Fil-A Bowl could be National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation of the sequels and the Cotton Bowl could be A Few Dollars More (after A Fistful of Dollars).

Too many bowls, unfortunately, will be Weekend at Bernie's 2 or Mannequin 2.

December 3, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
Livn4life said...

Where to begin...SEC Champ. Game was fabulous. I am not a Dawg fan but was yelling "Drop it , Drop it," on that last play so it would not be the last play. When he caught it, I knew we were done. Not a Bama fan but am for them against the Wee Green Guys from S. Bend. OK OK, I have to say it, a young Michelle Pfeiffer UNbads Grease2 for me and you can take that to the bowling alley. BOWLS: BCS Championship should be one for the ages. Did Alabama have to do too much to get there? I don't think so but we will see. Fiesta-Thumbs up, Sugar and Orange-unbelievable. Florida backs in and plays Louisville. Cakewalk, even with SEC leanings, I don't like the smell of this. Really 5-er, you seriously think Washington will hang with the Boise State Boise? I don't think so. COACHING CAROUSEL-I have to get this outta my system...bear with me..GRUDEN GRUDEN GRUDEN...I heard a dude on VolNation last night claiming JG still wants the Vol gig. I'm sick of all that nonsense. Now my pick. I was looking through a Webster's dictionary this morning and arbitrarily saw the word strong. Could that be a sign? Jimbo, I doubt, Gundy I double-doubt. Kirby has more Smart(s). So it could be anyone. Here is to saying a pretty big slice of JVfans will become Nega-Vol no matter who is chosen because....NO GRUDEN! Finally, the NFL was wild yesterday; Luck did not "runout" on the Colts; the 9-ers found a way to not beat the Rams AGAIN. Yeah Charlie whipped a Batch of whoopum on those Ravens and, then...HOW BOUT TEM COWBOYS? Whooooeee, they put it on the PhillyBirds and Romo continues to amaze(heheh) by overshooting Troy A's TD pass record for the Boys. Will wonders never cease, now onto what? A solemn nod to the Chiefs. Some questioned their even playing the game and they did and somehow won. Kudos to them and huge sympathy to all involved in the tragedy that was the end of Belcher's young life. My heart breaks for anyone who feels life can't go on. I have had a college friend and even prominent colleagues who went there and it is sad beyond description. Keep on Fivin' Baby!

December 3, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Orangeguy —

Believe Gundy is a complete and total smoke screen. Think he would be an excellent hire, but two things:

1) Who's gonna out bid T. Boone Pickens. (For God's sake T-Bob put your pants back on. — Fletch II)

2) You could do much worse than Arkansas and Tennessee, but in their current states, Okie State is much better than each. Heck, Gundy and Co. are rebuilding and went 7-5.

Spy —

We think we saw you on the broadcast. Were you dressed as an empty section of seats? Wowser.

Nicklaus putter would be good. Nicklaus' card would be better. Nicklaus' pants would OUT-standing.

sportsfan —

Someone needs to let Verne know it's time. And Clay Travis and Outkickthecoverage's CBS drinking game stuff is downright funny.

FE to the C —

The info we got last week — info that we still believe in about Lord Grudemort by the way — was not from inside the UT athletics department.

Can't speak about the other, but we'd think those still in Knoxville would be appreciative of the truth about Dooley's relations across the state coming out. It's another reason for parting ways. But some folks do not like the truth regardless. So it goes.

Run JMC —

Got the package today. Much Gracias. Deion is in it up to his bandana. No we did not get to the theater — it was sunny and in the high 60s all weekend so we spent it chasing the tots around the yard.

And the Mocs were bad Saturday. That is all.

TennFlyer —

Absolutely about Romeo. Dude was money. So was Brady Quinn. Did anyone else think that Brady Quinn was going to be a much, Much, MUCH better pro than he has been? We still think dude could deliver in the right situation.

And yes, the Super Bowls, the Rockys, the lineage of namesakes after Junior and the copyright dates on movies and TV shows — that's the length of Roman numerals.

— 5-at-10

December 3, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
Blueoval said...

Fan, my opinion but Gary Danielson and Verne Lundquist are two of the worst....

Never was an Earnhardt fan but I think it would be pretty cool to own the car he finally won the Daytona 500 with. Would also like to have Woodson's Heisman trophy to bang on with a hammer.

I hope all the SEC teams do well in their bowl games for two reasons. 1) I'm an SEC guy. 2) TN needs the money right now from their share of the money pot.

December 3, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

Well played. Bowls as movies could have legs. Possible mailbag potential.

Livn(Large) —

As we said on Saturday, most Auburn and Tennessee fans were trying to figure out a way for them both to lose, but we all won by watching that game. It was awesome indeed.

In regard to Lord Grudemort, we don't think it's a done deal. Sorry, we still think he is in play. Don't have anything new to report, but that's what the 5-at-10 thinks.

And yes, here's hoping anyone who thinks a permanent solution to a temporary problem is able to find help when they need it most.

— 5-at-10

December 3, 2012 at 11:47 a.m.
bigbearzzz said...

I'm weighing in with a heavy heart this afternoon. Still not over the loss. My Dawgs played so well and came so close but to lose it in that fashion was just not the right ending to that game. I think I would have slept better if there was at least one shot into the endzone that actually made into said endzone but alas, it is what it is. I was more proud of how Richt stood up for his players at the press conference but I have to admit, there were alot of Dawg fans asking the same question. has any word come down yet from the NCAA on the cheat shot on Murray? Is there going to be repercussions to that blatant cheap shot? I want to be angry at the loss, but i just can't, it wouldnt be fair to the greatness that was bestowed upon us all....A game for the history books.

December 3, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
Stewwie said...

The Mocs could have played better, but Davidson is just too good. Crisp ball movement and lethal shooters on the outside...swished 3s with hands in their faces. And if you pressure the guards, Jake Cohen has more room to go to work down low. Hate to say it, but the rest of the Southern Conference is playing for 2nd this year.

I am a fan of Rico White the player, but not White as PG. Of course he's needed at that position while we wait until Hampton gets back, but you can tell that he's not a good fit at the 1. It'll be interesting to see how the minutes change when Hampton gets back. I think Jones ought to come off the bench with Cobb, Bryant, and Watson. Bareika and Robertson should lose most or all of their minutes. Shulman needs to figure out a consistent 8 or 9 guys to roll with once conference play resumes next month.

[Read where UTC is working on future plans all which involve McKenzie Arena going bye-bye.]

JMC, where did you read that? I had heard rumors about building a new arena on the southside of town down the road. Don't know what the full plans are though. Nothing imminent though since McKenzie is getting new seats in the lower bowl next year. Maybe luxury boxes in the future as well?

[My reason for asking with the next three years being the Silk and Huesman show, how will he factor in the picture?]

JMC, Silk will be a junior next fall so he'll only have 2 years left. This Roberson kid (and the other QB they have committed) should expect to redshirt this coming season. Then they can compete for the backup or starting job during their sophomore years. Of course that assumes that Silk and Huesman stay healthy and don't transfer out or quit. (Don't go anywhere, T-Rob!)

December 3, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
Todd962 said...

Jay, your references to Chucky as a muggle killing dark lord this morning leads me to believe you arent the biggest fan of Gruden as of late. That is quite understandable with the events of Friday and the ungodly amount of phone calls you probably received on the subject in the last 72 hours. I also noticed that you havent completely dismissed the notion that he could be coaching somewhere next year, possibly even UT. Care to expound on anything you may or may not have heard over the weekend in the wake of Friday?

Also, did you catch any of the TSSAA championship games this weekend? Caught a little bit of Beech Friday, where a junior tailback ran for 390-something yards and 7 touchdowns to lead his team to a victory. They scanned the crowd and I saw what I believed to have been Vandy's Coach Franklin drooling on his shoes over the kid.

December 3, 2012 at 2:51 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Oval —

Having Dale's No. 3 would be pretty sweet. Can you image driving that thing to work? Boss.

And we're OK with Gary in truth. Verne needs to hand his mic to the nearest usher and call it a day.

Oso —

It was an excellent football game. In fact, it made us think of the Iron Bowl in 2009 when an underdog Auburn stood toe-to-toe with Bama for 56 minutes. Sure it was a loss, but it was tolerable because you knew your team left everything it had on the field.

And Richt's firm and direct approach in the news conference was commendable.

Skip to the Stew —

Davidson a beast, no doubt. But still. Maybe we're the walking definition of insanity — keep expecting this team to do something different — so it goes.

We've heard the same thing about some McKenzie improvements, but not anything concrete.

— 5-at-10

December 3, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Mr. 962 —

No, we are a huge fan of Lord Grudemort and his expertise in the Dark Arts. Seriously.

And we have little doubt that what we reported last week was true. The story may have changed some since, but not as much as some folks are purporting. (We think Grudemort is in play. We really do, and even when he says something along the lines of, "I'm really happy at ESPN and doing Monday Night Football," tonight, we still do not think that deal is dead yet.)

As far as what we've heard this weekend, the actual sources we have, have been very quiet. And in truth, the more quietness we hear the more we think stuff is still happening.

And that running back is a son of a Beech to handle. Wait, strike that. He's a bad fellow. And will be a bad fellow at the next level.

— 5-at-10

December 3, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Stewwie wrote-

"JMC, where did you read that?"

For the life of me I do not recall as it was early this morning before work. It was either here or on All I remember was it was a split report. The first part was covering the renovations to have the university ready for an estimated influx of "no joke" 15,000 students. There are three plans on the table and all of them have the roundhouse going bye-bye. The second part was more about the whole UTC-MLK colaberation which I have halfway read.

"This Roberson kid (and the other QB they have committed) should expect to redshirt this coming season. Then they can compete for the backup or starting job during their sophomore years."

^^() I kinda-sorta figured that part out. My take was where his stats were on BJ-o-Meter. I'll explain:

Best case scenerio: The next Payton Manning (FCS version)

Second best case scenerio: The next BJ Coleman or Jacob Huesman

Okay scenerio: The next Nichols who can hold it together until we can land the next BJ, Jacob, or Payton.

Worse case scenerio: Local bum who does nothing all day but throw "beer bottles" at "cars" because he can't hit the dumpster across the street or his intended receiver (yes, I wrote it).

Make any better sense?

December 3, 2012 at 4:11 p.m.
Stewwie said...

Got it, JMC. One caveat is that these kids' commitments nowadays don't mean anything until they sign the dotted line in Feb. Huesman has been burned at least once or twice by a good recruit who decided last-minute to play in the FBS. Let's hope Roberson is a man of his word. For your worst case scenario, you're not referring to any QB in particular, are you? Lol.

I'll have to search around to find those articles you're referring to about McKenzie. In regard to UTC's vision for the future, my personal opinion is that UTC needs to slow its enrollment growth. It's not really worth bragging about 10,000+ students when half the freshmen are in remedial math classes and the retention rate is horrendous. The focus should be on quality, not quantity.

December 3, 2012 at 5:03 p.m.
eastridge8 said...

5 at you HONESTLY, ACTUALLY, TRUTHFULLY believe that Gruden was actually thinking of coming to TN? If he was I CANNOT believe TN would really let a thing about assistants salaries STOP TN from getting him! At this point TN should give him and his assistants ANYTHING THEY WANTED!!...including Bruce Pearl's house!

I'd like to have Peyton's jersey from TN or his Super Bowl ring...whichever costs the most....Hmmmm

December 3, 2012 at 5:28 p.m.
jgreeson said...


Not sure, but will get some reports from our contacts in Georgia about the Roberson kid.

And we believe the first beer bottle he throws will be the last beer bottle he throws for Russ Huesman's team.

Stew —

Fair point about slowed growth. Not sure it will happen, but that's a valid argument.

ER8 —

Yes, we truly believe Gruden was interested — and Mrs. Gruden was super-interested — at one time. Whether he is or isn't now, we're not sure.

— 5-at-10

December 3, 2012 at 5:37 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

"my personal opinion is that UTC needs to slow its enrollment growth. It's not really worth bragging about 10,000+ students when half the freshmen are in remedial math classes and the retention rate is horrendous. The focus should be on quality, not quantity"

Amen Stew...amen.

And yes, that was in reference to one in particular. And yes Jay, I'm pretty sure I know what would happen if someone would pull that same stunt down here.

December 3, 2012 at 5:55 p.m.
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