published Friday, December 7th, 2012

5-at-10: Friday Mailbag from the soon-to-be-shuttered coaching search command center

We had a slew of questions and answers about the UT coaching search, about the candidates and the future. They all became dated and trash — not unlike the empty potato chip bags and aluminum cans scattered about in the Coaching Search Command Center — when Tennessee announced Butch Jones as the Vols next football coach.  

Now we've dropped the number from close to a dozen to three questions about three coaching search. From the "Talks too much" studios deep inside the CSC center, let's kick the tires and light the fires and discuss the hires...

From countless of you in the the flood of texts, emails and phone calls (seriously, it's been in the hundreds in a matter of 90 minutes),

What do you make of Butch Jones?



First, know that our beat ace Downtown Patrick Brown was on the ball this morning and had this story up ASAP.

Let's deal in fact before we get to opinion.

Fact, he was not UT's first choice, and that's OK. 

Fact, he was bombed with messages into his Twitter account from UT fans asking him not to come to Tennessee.

Fact, dude had two conference titles in his three years at Cincy. That's doing work.

Fact, Jones has proven he can win, he's 50-27 in six years. He's also served three-year stretches at two schools where Brian Kelly laid a winning foundation.

Fact, the previous UT regime left nothing close to the foundation Jones inherited from Kelly in his stops at Central Michigan and Cincinnati.

Fact, he lost 45-23 to Derek Dooley and the Vols last season.

Fact, no matter what you, your co-workers, the 5-at-10 or even the entire Hart family thinks about this hire this morning, it will be ultimately graded by wins: Be them on the field or on the recruiting trail. If Jones wins, he'll be embraced; if he doesn't he'll be gone. As will Dave Hart. The feelings of this morning will fade and results will be the barometer.

As for what the 5-at-10 thinks, well, we believe Butch Jones is a good coach that could be great, but we're kind of underwhelmed, as are most of the responses we've seen from Johnny Vols Fans everywhere. Maybe that's from a lack of familiarity of Jones' work or maybe that's from an expectation of something more — remember, Dave Hart promised a home run and they moved a ton of cabbage around for this hire — or maybe it's just the wonder of whether this guy can compete with the hired guns and home-run hitters that roam across the SEC.

There are two unofficial gauges about coaching hires we like to use:

First, does the coach’s former fan base want him to stay? Jones passed this one with flying colors as Cincy fans were abuzz hoping to keep him.

Second, how is the hire perceived and received among rival fan bases? Here’s saying Johnny Tide Fan, Johnny Bulldogs Fan and Johnny Gators Fan are not shaking in their cleats because Butch Jones is coming to the league.

Side note: For those you wanting to know about Butch Davis, well, he's still unemployed.  


From P-Davi

If Tennessee had hired Larry Fedora the rest of the SEC will immediately be bummed that such a cool character from the movie Goodfellas was named Tennessee's new head coach.

After being told Larry Fedora wasn't a character from the movie Goodfellas, the rest of the SEC will have to be reminded what SEC school we're talking about again.

Tell me this is possible.

PS — Congrats on the Auburn hire.

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    Tennessee athletic director Dave Hart speaks to reporters in Knoxville in this file photo.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.


Be nice, and this goes for the rest of the Non-Johnny Vols Fans out there, too. Coaching searches can be painful — and this Tennessee one has been a doozy — and the unknown and the uncertainty can consume you. This is not like losing on Saturday or missing on a big recruit. Those are the daily dealings of being an SEC fan and invite and deserve heckling from other fan bases.

Coaching searches are more personal, and more emotionally draining. It's like your kids going through the dating process — there are going to those you like and those you don't for a slew of reasons (are they polite; have a good job/are they defensive minded; can they recruit) but in the end it's some one else's decision and you're forced to accept it and try to convince yourself it's a good call and it will work out for the best. It’s not like you can break-up with your kids or your school. So you deal with it and hope for the best knowing that Christmas dinner and other holidays and Saturdays in the Fall depend greatly on finding the right match.

And remember, whether you have Saban or some first-year guy who has no chance, every team goes through a coaching search, and they are all tension-filled and draining. Go easy on Johnny Vols Fans this week, huh? 

That said, if Larry "The Hat" Fedora faces off against Les "The Mad Hatter" Miles, that game has to be sponsored by New Era, right? Fedora has said he will stay at UNC, so the beat and the beatings continue for Dave Hart's search. 

Whether he was desperate or not, Jones was not be the worst hire, although that's not exactly high praise. 

To make UT fans feel better here's our list of worst possible hires for the Vols next coach and we feel certain that Dave Hart did NOT contacted any of them:

1) Promote Sal — SAAALLLLL!!! — Sunseri

2) Re-hire Derek Dooley

3) Lane Kiffin

4) John L. Smith

5) Rodney Allison


From CelticVol (part I, Wednesday morning)

Hey 5@10,

This is all I've got after this roller coaster of a week.....I'm speechless after all this stuff this morning. My mind can't develop a question.


From CelticVol (part II, Wednesday afternoon)

This is just unreal.  Hart has made this into a circus.  I’m just sick.  I was super excited last Friday morning when you guys came out with the report.  Then my hopes were dashed by that afternoon.  Then last night I hear that Strong is the man and now this morning he’s not.  Then it’s Gundy and now I hear he’s getting an extension.  I want to scream!  Is UT really that bad of a job?  I don’t get it.


We thought this was relevant considering the CUH-razy actions of this week.

Of course UT is not that bad of a job. UT is a great job, and one of the things that we think gives Butch Jones a chance to succeed is we truly believe Jones knows this is a great job. He wanted this job and turned down other jobs for a chance at being here. That’s a good thing.

Now, is the UT job in a great place? No.

Is it going to require a great deal of work? Absolutely.

As for Hart, he made his hire, and he has tied his future in Knoxville to Butch Jones. 

In fact we tweeted this earlier: Here should be Butch Jones’ to-do list: Pick up suit from the cleaners, buy orange tie, come up with an Alabama insult, Mapquest Ridgeland High School so we can get by and see Vonn Bell’s game tonight.

So it goes.


From Jefe

I'm sure you're being bombed with UT coach this and UT coach that, so let's go a different direction.

Kevin Youkilis is in talks with the Yankes. THE YANKEES!?!?! Don't do it Youk, please don't do it.

What are the biggest flip-flops you can recall that shows us stupid fans that prove Michael Corleone right ("It's business; never personal")?


Great question.

Biggest flip-flops: Clemens going to the Yankees; Rowdy Roddy Pipper; Rick Pitino going to Louisville; Ray Allen going to Miami. What others are out there?

There's a whole other category for owners that move their teams to different cities of course. And there's an entire category for LeBron taking his talents to South Beach.

But you bring up an awesome scenario. Imagine how nuts Yankees Stadium would be for that season opener against Boston, if Youklis signed with them. Heck, we'd let him bat leadoff and DH for the that first game so that the first time he stepped on the field was to lead off the bottom of the first. And we'd play "Hair of the Dog" by Nazareth — "Now you're messin' with a..."


From JonathanMCook


Obviously Tuesday's story about Laura Herron drew more buzz than intended. Not necessarily about her day to day routine as much for the following paragraph:

"Herron is at the helm during an interesting time for the Southern Conference. Last Friday the College of Charleston voted to leave for the Colonial Athletic Association, and Georgia Southern and Appalachian State may be on the move sooner rather than later."

While the CoC story is nothing new, the fact that the "often rumored" jump of Georgia Southern and Appy State to the FBS has gotten the local rumor mill fired up.

Aside from Frierson's sources being legit (I never doubt his creditability), it does open a lot questions which I do not expect you to have the answers for, but fun to play with.

What conferences would GSU/ASU be best suited for? Contrary to Spy's belief, The Sun Belt would be a challanging conference given the number SEC giant killers and those who scare them.

What upgrades would need to be made for Kidd Brewer and Paulson Stadium to begin to look remotely like Jorden-Hare, Stanford, and Neyland?

Once said upgrades are complete, how soon before they start hosting big-boy teams? I know that sounds funny BUT...this year SMU host Texas A&M (yes, THAT A&M) and from "personal" experience, Ford Stadium only seats 32,000 (that's 10,000 more than Finley!) and Louisiana-Monroe hosted Baylor (yes, THAT Baylor) at 30,427 seat Malone stadium. Thus it is possible (though HIGHLY unlikely) that we may see Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia or Florida one day playing at either the Rock or the Marsh.

More importantly, how will fans react once the "sticker-shock" sets in? Here's what I mean. SoCon game regardless of team is $15.00. A "typical" SMU or UNT game will be $45.00 for the just the nosebleed section. Factor in an A&M or Georgia as your home team opponent and we are "literally" talking over $95 just for the nosebleed seats. Lets face it, loyality can only go so far when your checkbook is involved. Then again, I still don't see how people pay what they do for admission into "Jerry's World" when we're 6-6 but that's another debate.

Run JMC,

The news and rumblings about App State and GSU have become louder and more common. And we think that will be more true in the years to come as the college football playoff expands.

We think Sun Belt would be the first option, and we think it would be a tough road, no doubt.

We also think geography — getting to Boone and Statesboro is no picnic — is as big a hurdle as facilities.

We’re swamped with coach stuff, but we’ll get more into this in the coming days. Deal? Deal.

Now about Butch Jones...

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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Walden said...

No offense to Butch Jones, but I told myself I would suspend my fandom (fanhood?) of UT football if they hired a wannabe, which it appears they have. He may pan out, he may not. Who knows? I do know this right here and right now; this is not exciting for anyone, including fans and recruits, and this is not what old Dave Hart needed to encourage at this point in the program's history.

December 7, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay- Hey, looks like UTK couldnt get a coach that beat Saban, but they did get a coach that beat Vandy ( Cincy last year ). . .

December 7, 2012 at 10:16 a.m.
Blueoval said...

I love UT but you used the perfect word to describe this hire for me: Underwhelmed

Hope it works.

December 7, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
jomo11 said...

Look for Georgia Southern to go to Sunbelt as Georgia State's "travel partner". Appy might have a tough road getting in. C-USA doesnt want them and would be blocked by UNC-Charlotte, Appy doesnt bring a media market. Sunbelt doesnt want them because why bring the fox into the henhouse ? Appy would have better facilities and fan attendence than everyone left in the Sunbelt

December 7, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
chas9 said...

Jay--You gave KY a C+ on its hire. So is TN a C-? Back early in the search saga I mentioned Jones as a good bet for UK. You agreed and added that if UT hired him there'd be riots.

December 7, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
Astropig said...

I'll tell you when the "Big Boys" will start coming to Boone or Statesboro- When Steve Spurrier and Philip Fulmer start sharing a condo on Florida's east coast.

Georgia Southern parent here. They held a "vote" among students to get the okey-dokey to soak us parents for a Div-I fee to bring the Eagles up into the high rent district of CFB. Naturally,it passed. It passed because it would have passed no matter what the actual vote was.(One J. Stalin once said something like "who votes is not important,who counts the votes is what's important").Anyway, GS was being pushed by dark,unseen forces to go big time for the privlege of being everybody's homecoming date for the next ten years.This is stupid. The Palestinians will start having Bar Mitzvah's before Bammy or West Virginia jump on the 16 to the butt end of nowhere to stay at the Best Western and hang half a hundred on GSU. There's no airport there that can handle anything unrelated to crop dusting.GSU parents know that there are no good motels in Statesboro.You have to stay in Savannah to find a decent place to eat,sleep and do quality control for MillerCoors.

So who benefits from all of this nonsense? Well, it sure ain't the players. Traveling to bigboy beatdowns and hosting schools like Troy and (ugh) Georgia State will be a real comedown for a program that has won half a dozen national championships.Georgia Southern's tradition of excellence is about to be frittered away so that they can have a $300,000 per coach and an AD that makes even more.The machine is designed to reward the people that hold the levers of power,because the players can't legally take so much as a free meal while they wear the blue and white.

The whole thing stinks.

December 7, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

Biggest flip flop...HANDS DOWN...Bash at the Beach...Hulk Hogan joins the NWO!!! goes from babyface (good guy for those unitiated) to a heel

December 7, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
jomo11 said...

Appy st aaverage home attendence higher than any school in Sunbelt except Lous-Layfaytte

December 7, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...


Slightly perturbed my email was not completely responded but the fact the letter was kept in tact to have other people view my thoughts on this current "side story". At the same time, I understand completely as I was not expected to a new hire this morning. Obviously the whole state is in multimedia meltdown while the 5 at 10 Dallas office has a loud generated yawn on the account the big stories are how badly will Jerry's boys struggle against the Bengals, when will Dirk return, and whose coming to/leaving the Rangers (jury is still out on Hamilton).

That said, I'm going to hold you to what you said about following this up as intended.

jomo wrote-

"Appy doesnt bring a media market. Sunbelt doesnt want them because why bring the fox into the henhouse ? Appy would have better facilities and fan attendence than everyone left in the Sunbelt"

You are correct about the media market. In fact, one of the sheer ironies of that program is the fact they are such a dominant force but outside of Boone, nobody follows them period.

Fan attendence is open to debate. Kidd Brewer Stadium maybe packed on Saturdays but if Appy were to go to the Sun Belt, their fan attendence, for now, would shadow in comparision to the Louisianas Monroe and Layafette, UNT, and MTSU. Of course, that is a given since all four schools have viable media markets in major to mid-size cities.

December 7, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Frierson did post in his College of Charleston story about what schools would fill the void once App and GSU jump ship. While Eastern Kentucky and "Cousin Cookville" would make ideal members, it does beg to differ how conference strength will be altered.

Eventually I want to see us make "the leap" as it were and it may happen within my lifetime, I do fear the potential of the SoCon being "watered down" with the loss of our two flagship schools.

December 7, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
jomo11 said...

JonanthanMCook MTSU is leaving the Sunbelt, Appy avr attendence is higher ALREADY than ALL Sunbelt teams except Lafayette, look it up. Appy home attendence consistently higher than MTSU over the last 5 years and yet MTSU is going to C-USA

December 7, 2012 at 11:04 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Gang —

We'll try to answer these as they come, but we're pretty covered up today.

First, has there ever been a coach that needed to nail the introductory press conference like Butch needs to nail this one today. His resume is good — and may be better than that — but the hire was met with a collective, "Huh?" from the fan base.

Walden —

Feel free to swing by when you can — don't cost nothing. And yes, Dave Hart's honeymoon officially ended this morning.

Jomo —

Yes they did. And apparently our call for patience was skipped by the Hart Foundation.


Sorry we did not get into it fuller, but we will. Slew of stuff happening.

Blueoval —

We're still holding out hope this works, but shouldn't the day a coach is hired be like those first few dates. You get the butterflies and the energy and the excitement. This feels more like a blind date.

9er —

We give this an INC at this juncture. (Public perception — F; Resume — A-; Fit — ?) The presser is huge today.

And if we predicted riots, well, there have been internet riots across the Vol Nation.

Astropig —

Well-played sir, well-played indeed sir.

OG —

We knew we could count on you for some rastlin' news.

— 5-at-10

December 7, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.
orangeguy said...

It took me a minute to come around, but I like the hire. First head coach with a winning record hired at UT since Johnny Majors (not including Fulmer's 4-0 as interim in 92).

December 7, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Now let's talk Butch.

So far, the "pedigree" looks promising. However, when you're coming to the SEC via Central Michigan and Cincinnati, there will be critics as though we have us another wannabe destined to wash-out.

However, UNLIKE Dooley, his record speaks volumes in the fact he left two programs in winning conditions. That's a plus.

Given the ungodly bumbardment of Q&A this will generate throughout the day (except here in Dallas), I imagine any questions I do have will be answered such as:

How many of his staff in Cincinnati will he bring with him? Who all does he plan on hiring? How much of a budget is he allowed to start out with? More importantly,

How will he sell himself to potential recruiters? Aside from his winning record in previous programs.

What I really would to see though is...Can the man pull a Dalton?

Pretend Hart: Hi, you Jones right?

Pretend Jones: Yes

Pretend Hart: I run a program called the University of Tennessee in Knoxville. It use to be a sweet deal, now it's the kind a program where they sweep the eyeballs off our lineman after a game. I'm looking to re-glorify the program.

Pretend Jones: $3.4 million up front, $500 a week cash, you cover all staffing expenses. I run the show completely.

Pretend Hart: I can live with that. However, to be honest, I'd thought you'd be "bigger".

Butch is 0-0. So it's a clean slate as far as I'm concerned.

December 7, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
BackupQB said...

Really? Butch friggin' Jones? That's the best TN can do? ZERO wins against ranked teams. Never coached or recruited in the Southeast. Inherited a good situation from Brian Kelly twice - followed up Kelly's Sugar Bowl team in Cincy with a 4-8 campaign.

So Hart (by the way, does he apply too much grecian formula?) promised a home run ... was this a bloop single to the opposite field? Was it an infield hit? I know everyone is going to say - we won't know that answer until recruiting wraps up ... or he coaches a game ... but, today I, a JVF4L, feel like TN has folded ... quicker than a $2 hooker that just punched in the gut by a guy named Vinny.

JVF's best hope now is that Butch (by the way, no relation to June Jones) gets so excited about his FIRST TRIP SOUTH OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE that he "goes Mike Price" at the Flora-Bama Lounge when the SEC meetings commence in Destin this Spring. We have to get photos of him ... find any skeletons in his closet.

December 7, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...


I'll take your word for it as I have no intension of starting anything. However, regardless of App's pedigree (word of the day apparently), given geography and lack of a respectable media market, ANY conference would find them to be a hard sell. Attendence records or not.

Which it appears most everyone on this form agree on.


Thanks for joining in. Usually Spy is our resident GSU expert but this was some eyeopening insite (and very well-worded aka the "parents" soak up the costs).

JR (the voice of the Mocs) has mentioned for years the "lodging" in Statesboro (or severe lack thereof) to where all the hardcore fans with money have to stay in Savannah so obviously there is more to this then I imagined. (Since SMU is in Dallas and La-Monroe is slightly smaller than Chattanooga, they obviously have better facilities)

Thank you once again for the insight and please feel free to join in on all things SoCon (for now at least).

December 7, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Orange —

Can see that.

Dude has had success. Can he replicate in the SEC? Of course, that's the million-dollar question for any new coach.

And maybe the circumstances created the malaise that's covered a lot of the Johnny Vols Fans we know. Think of it this way: If Jones had been target No. 1 and they landed him, would this hire feel better?

And you can't blame the circumstances on Jones.

That said, we completely understand the frustration of Backup QB and the other UT fans we know. They were promised a home run hire. This may prove to be a home run hire, and then everyone will swap high-fives and gobble up bowl tickets and UT visors. But it does not feel like a home run.


If Butch Jones goes all Dalton on the SEC, then we're in for a wild ride.

And if he pulls Saban's throat out, well, they'll name the building after him.

The Double Duece.

— 5-at-10

December 7, 2012 at 12:03 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Question for the group:

What's the worst thing Butch could say to open his 2:30 presser?

A) Happy to be here and follow in the traditions of Johnny Majors, Phil Fulmer and Eli Manning?

B) I knew I was sold on Tennessee when Dave Hart told me that no body expected more than 7 wins for at least the next three years. Music City Bowl or bust, baby.

C) First, thanks for the chance. Now I'l like to introduce you to our new defensive coordiantor... Sal Sunseri — SAAALLLLL!!!

Whatcha got?

December 7, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
orangeguy said...

Excellent point, Jay. This might have felt better from the start had Jones been near the top of that first wave like Bruce Feldman says he should have been. It would feel like a home run minus the Gruden fiasco.

Welcome to Twitter, by the way. Fun, informative platform. Glad to see you join the fray.

And C... Definitely C

December 7, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[What's the worst thing Butch could say to open his 2:30 presser?]

"I want to personally thank Dave Hart for allowing me the opportunity to coach the UT Vols. I would also like to personally thank Jon Gruden, Mike Gundy, Charlie Strong, and Larry Fedora for allowing me the opportunity to coach the UT Vols."

December 7, 2012 at 12:22 p.m.
Cjoyner said...

In other SEC coaching news, The Associated Press reports that Ellis Johnson has been named luckiest man in the world. After taking Southern Miss from the castle to the outhouse, he leaves Hattiesburg with $2.1 million in his pocket and a $100,000-a-year RAISE to be Auburn DC. This is an inspiration to the rest of us. Fail your way to victory, boys.

December 7, 2012 at 12:31 p.m.
Astropig said...

"JR (the voice of the Mocs) has mentioned for years the "lodging" in Statesboro (or severe lack thereof) to where all the hardcore fans with money have to stay in Savannah so obviously there is more to this then I imagined. (Since SMU is in Dallas and La-Monroe is slightly smaller than Chattanooga, they obviously have better facilities)"

Wanna know how bad it is? The friggin' SHONEY'S went out of business there. Statesboro is the only place on earth where a Sonny's Barbecue could go under.Think about it: An All-you-can-eat place went dark in a COLLEGE town! If you ever want to be depressed, go on Tripadvisor and read the reviews for the places that pass for motels in Statesboro.I just can't see Will Muschamp and Joker Phillips doubling up in a place with Nick Saban's hair still in the sink. Another rant: If Southern and Georgia State end up in the Sunbelt together,it will show this to be the farce that it is. Georgia State is just a year removed from playing teams like Shorter and Lambuth. They're gonna get killed in 1-A,even if it is against SBC competition.They only won one game in FCS this year and that was against inferior competition. They made the jump way too soon (if they should have made it at all).The leadership at State is obviously not doing this for the betterment of the players. My wife is a TTU grad and I would like to see them jump into the SoCon if they get the chance. I'm not really sure about the cultural fit, but a yearly set-to with the Mocs should be fun.

December 7, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

5, I'm at lunch and there are 22 comments before I have my key lime pie. I'll weigh in when I get to the office.

December 7, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Orange —

Yep, better late than never to the Twitter. We're at jgreesontfp for those interested. Swing by, don't cost nothing.

Stewwie —

Well-played sir.

CJ —

Thought about you when Ellis joined Gus (Ellis and Gus, weren't those the names of Knotts' and Conway's characters in the Apple Dumpling Gang?).

Yes, Ellis has had a strange ride, and amazingly, we're pretty happy to have him at Auburn. Hey, we won't have to worry about him taking a head coaching job.

Astropig —

You are going to fit in swimmingly around here. You mentioned Shoney's, Sonny's and Saban in the same Statesboro rant. Well-played indeed, and bonus points for the alliteration.

If we had a fantasy team to name, "Nick Saban's hair still in the sink" would be a clear front runner.

That or "Butch-Whacked"


Spy —

Catch you on the flip side. And wow, were you so money on Brian VanGorder (although The Chiz gets some of that blame too).

— 5-at-10

December 7, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...


Congratulations, you definitely confirmed I do not want to travel to Statesboro anytime soon. I still wanna do Boone given the environment that is "The Rock" plus I wouldn't have to stay in a hotel (Aunt owns a high-end rental cabin somewhere between Boone and Ashville [I kid you not]).

I'm starting to think Western Carolina might be a more ideal fit for the move up if we are going with localle. I know the sneekering this will cause but outside of Cullhowee is Silvia which is the actual "main town" at WCU. If you have never been, it is VERY nicely kept for a little Carolina mountain town...but like Boone, a b---- to get to!


Glad you liked the Roadhouse reference. I figured given the echoed "Huh?" this produced (think GOP and "Sarah who?"), I would love to see him actually go in and "be nice" to the competition until its time to "not be nice".

December 7, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

its interesting that the 2 dumpster fires that were Arky and Auburn football made hires quicker than UT, and without all the underwhelmingness.

As far as weighing on GSU - I've been down there once and what I remember most are the gnats.

December 7, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
BIspy4 said...


First, the worst thing Coach Jones could say is ... "I want to build on the foundation laid down by Coach Kiffin and Coach Dooley." Because that would be bad, yeah.

Second, can't believe you went all transitive property on me yesterday.

And now, the piece de resistance (it's the soup of the day):

The FBS Kool-Aid is flowing freely in Statesboro, from the new president on down, who sees it as a chance for the school to have national exposure. I wasn't aware that's what the school existed for, to garner national attention. All this time I thought it was there to educate people. Silly me.

Even the newspaper there is in the bag for it. They have their eyes set on the Sun Belt, even though the Sun Belt runner up went 8-4 with a win over a BCS program that is going to a bowl but it itself is not going to a bowl, yet 12 6-6 teams, nine of which have losing conference records, are. There's your Sun Belt prestige for ya.

The new fees will fund a stadium expansion and a new football operations center and the plans are quite nice. But I can only think of what my old man, who had five of his seven children attend Georgia Southern (not all of us graduated), would have said about said those higher fees. The last word would have been no. The first word would have been a four-letter uttering not suitable for the family oriented interweb. In his estimation, we were there to go to school, not to watch football, even though he loved watching football on TV and didn't even graduate high school.

I wouldn't put much stock into Georgia State's inclusion into the Sun Belt as having any impact at all on Georgia Southern's Sun Belt prospects. For one, there would be some GSU confusion abounding and I think one of them (that would be you, concrete campus) wants an identity separate from its flatlands relative.

There are still a lot of questions to be answered, namely, how will Georgia Southern achieve Title IX balance with 22 extra male sports scholarships it has to find funding for each and every year? Are women's sports getting added? Is another men sport going to cut?

December 7, 2012 at 3:17 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...


FBS Kool-Aid sounds about right. I cannot begin to even fathom the backlash our new Chancellor would recieve if he/she were to come across like that. Then again, when it comes to "national exposure", we do tend to shadow the other SoCon schools (Sweet 16 in '97, Steven Fox on N-B freaking C). That and the fact Statesboro has always had that long, dark shadow above them from Athens and Atlanta. Still, fruitation process will be interesting.

December 7, 2012 at 3:58 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

One last thing, I'm glad I'm not the only one who agrees GSU is in for a rude awakening. Louisiana-Monroe may have a "well-established program", I can recall very, very well back when La-Monroe (still the "Indians") would be Tennessee's homecoming date every year with a 50-7 thrashing. Oh the times they were a-changin.

December 7, 2012 at 5:09 p.m.
Livn4life said...

He nailed the interview and deserves a chance no matter what any of us wanted or think. Let's see what happens. I am so so so glad the fiasco is over.

December 7, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.
Walden said...

I don't know if I should blame the alcohol, or SportTalk, but I'm feeling better about Butch Jones now. I think this could be a good hire.

Why are there so many megabits being fried talking about Georgia State and Georgia Southern. Who the F cares?

Jay, by the way, love your work!

December 7, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.
hushmymouth said...

Maybe UT could present a "hardship petition" to move to Division III FB and be competitive once again.

December 7, 2012 at 9:17 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy/JMC —

You guys are officially in charge of the 5-at-10 expansion committee.

Livn(Large) —

We concur. We think he nailed the interview, but that's the easy part. We're starving to believe.

Walden —

Thanks for the kind words. We aim to please.

And we'll like this hire if he wins in September. We'll loath this hire if he loses come September. Coaching searches are the one area where a first impression is completely and totally worthless.

Hushmymouth —

Thanks for swinging by — come again, it don't cost nothing.

And UT will be back. Whether it's under Butch Jones or the next guy, UT will be back. We're sure of it. Hop on board, it's better than buying a whole slew of Bama stuff for crying out loud.

— 5-at-10

December 7, 2012 at 9:37 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...


WE care! The forum is not all Tennessee or SEC. I'm prone to UTC along with Stewwie for example while Spy is an alumni of Georgia Southern and Astro has a kid partaking in his/her undergraduate studies there. Here, the SoCon has just as much weight in discussion as the SEC. Especially if it is a school the person may have actually gone to, graduated from, and still supports.

December 8, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
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