published Thursday, December 13th, 2012

Marley's Ghost

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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EaTn said...

Clothes-hanger? Oh, that's bad.

December 13, 2012 at 5:56 a.m.
fairmon said...

Liberal use to refer to individual freedoms and choice, social equality etc. Now it is expanding to also mean to be loose with other peoples money. How dare those politicians attempt to curb the appetite for debt. They are like the banks that take away or refuse to issue someone another credit card, how cruel can they be. Have they never heard of supporting people in the style to which they have grown accustomed? Give those demanding more a Christmas present of everything they want and turn them lose, let them learn the hard way, maybe they will become responsible adults.

December 13, 2012 at 6:34 a.m.
ibshame said...

LOL The right wing nut jobs will have strokes over this one.

December 13, 2012 at 7:03 a.m.

harp3339, actually, it's the politicians who are like the banks that defraud their customers who are the real problem. Lie, cheat, sell them on how beneficent you are, while making sure you get away with whatever crime you want.

You know, the ones who purport to be fiscally conservative, as they cut taxes to miraculously grow revenues, while saying that deficits don't matter.

And so very sure of themselves and the rightness of what they do.

ibshame, they already have. The right-wing is dedicated whole-heartedly to the notion of being correct while everybody else is so naively mistaken. If only they can educate the rest of us into recognizing their profound wisdom, we'll stop being foolishly in opposition to them.

That's what justifies doubling-down, after all, people who are wrong are so resistant to instruction.

I wonder if they've ever seen a mirror.

Predictions on response? I bet accusations of liberal arrogance will be forthcoming...from posters who will shortly proclaim their own true superiority and rectitude. Or perhaps their own great humbleness, and civility, that's only provoked by the mean old left-wing that just won't compromise and completely come around to their point of view.

December 13, 2012 at 7:33 a.m.
jjmez said...

harp3339 said... Liberal use to refer to individual freedoms and choice, social equality etc

As the term I'm a conservatives now means I'm a bigot who hates everyone and proud of it.

December 13, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.
joneses said...

Do any of you liberals think obastard should have the power to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval?

December 13, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
joneses said...

Click on the link to witness the true liberal party. And jjmez says the right is hateful. What a misinformed hypocrite she/he is.

The hyprocrcy is truely unbelievable. I am thoroughly disgusted, as per usual these days, of the conduct of the violent hate filled leftists and their counterparts like jjmez, happywithbeingafool, easy123, and the rest of you liberals on here who deny the truth even when it's staring you in the face. There is not one accurate documented violent act associated with the Tea Party demonstrations but many documented hate filled acts and speech at the liberal OWS and Union protest. Hoffa even said the unions should start a civil war. If someone from the Tea party said this you pathetic liberals would be lying about racism. Wake up morons and face the truth and stop giving these pathetic POS's a pass. This fool you support as president and his government controlled media even gives these hate filled leftist groups a pass.

Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-conservative/2012/dec/11/union-thuggery-erupts-after-right-work-law-passes-/#ixzz2EwNoyL5N

December 13, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
MTJohn said...

joneses said..."Do any of you liberals think obastard should have the power to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval?"

I don't think obastard should have the power to do anything because I have no idea who that person is.

Congress approves the federal budget and Congress levies taxes. The Executive Branch has to function within parameters established by Congress. And, if those parameters define a shortfall, the President ought to have the authority to borrow money to cover it.

It is ludicrous, bordering on treasonous, to think that elected public officials are willing to force the country into default for the sake of scoring self-serving political points.

December 13, 2012 at 9:33 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The left has taken over as the champions of hate and intolerance. Several of the worst offenders are regulars here.

December 13, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
hambone said...

The GOP/TEAPARTY built the cliff, let them jump off of it !!

December 13, 2012 at 9:48 a.m.
joneses said...

Mt. John,

O'bastard is the fool that lives in the White House and has asked for full power to extend the debt ceiling from congress which would make him a "dick"tator. I refer to as him O'Bastard because on St. Patricks Day he speaks of his Irish heritage, the "O" and he was born out of wedlock making him a "bastard". Now you know who O'Bastard is. It is apparent you do not know him that well.

December 13, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
MTJohn said...

joneses - you are living/breathing/typing proof that the President is not the tyrant that you would like to think he is. You post here just about every day. Just about everything you post here is grounded in half-truth, verging on slander. Yet, you are free to do it instead of being consigned to forced labor in a gulag, living on half-rations and sleeping in a drafty, unheated shack.

December 13, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
joneses said...

Buffet, Soros join list of billionaires calling for tax hikes they won't pay. More liberal hypocrisy that never ends.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/buffett-soros-join-list-billionaires-calling-tax-hikes-143349541.html

December 13, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.
ibshame said...

"hambone said... The GOP/TEAPARTY built the cliff, let them jump off of it !!"

Well according to the latest NBC/WSJ poll they already have jumped off of it. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch. Notice where the article says the only two regions where the GOP has a higher favorable than unfavorable image: Rural areas and of course the South. Good old dixieland. No surprise there, just reading comments from some of the right wing nut jobs around here bear that out to be true.

*** GOP goes off the image cliff: The clock is ticking over whether President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner can avoid going over the so-called fiscal cliff at the beginning of next year. But our new NBC/WSJ poll shows that the Republican Party has already gone off one cliff, per co-pollster Peter Hart (D) -- the image cliff. The GOP’s fav/unfav rating in the poll now stands at 30%/45% (minus-15), which is down from 36%/43% (minus-7) right before the election. That’s compared with the Democratic Party’s 44%/35% rating (plus-9). And other than self-described Republicans and conservatives, just two other groups have a net positive view of the GOP: folks who live in rural America (39%/33%) and folks who live in the South (39%/38%), that’s it. What’s more, asked to give a word or short phrase to describe the Republican Party, 65% offered a negative comment, including MORE THAN HALF of Republicans. The top responses: “Bad,” “weak,” “negative,” “uncompromising,” “need to work together,” “broken,” “disorganized” and “lost.” By contrast, 37% gave negative descriptions of the Democratic Party, while 35% were positive. A Republican politician or operative might look at our poll and say, “Well, the good news is that our numbers can’t get any lower.” That might be true, and they could very well drag Democrats down with them if there isn’t a deal. But there’s another way to look at the poll: Republicans have a lot to gain, too. And if they want to be a competitive national party again and not simply a regional, rural party, they need to make gains.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/13/15883979-first-thoughts-gop-goes-off-the-image-cliff?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

December 13, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
Dylan said...

Can anyone tell me what is GOP? Something about Government?

William - http://www.carid.com/

December 13, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

libshame: So what's your elitist beef with rural and the south?

December 13, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.
miraweb said...

GOP - Grumpy Old Pickpockets

December 13, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MtJohn said: “It is ludicrous, bordering on treasonous, to think that elected public officials are willing to force the country into default for the sake of scoring self-serving political points.”

Indeed, MtJohn. Who needs terrorists and foreign enemies when you’ve got Republicans plotting to make their own nation dysfunctional? It’s been going on for some time now. I believe they're violating their oath(s) of office and need to be exposed in a big way.

December 13, 2012 at 11:19 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

You're right, laurel. Who needs terrorist and foreign enemies when we have the Dems spending our nation into oblivion? Spend, spend, spend. Right, laurel?

December 13, 2012 at 11:48 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... libshame: So what's your elitist beef with rural and the south?"

Read the insane, racist bullsht below by joneses. One finds those kind of beliefs most prevalent where literacy rates are the lowest and ignorance is the norm rather than the exception. Unfortunately, there's a higher rate of that kind of ignorance in the South and it only serves to tarnish the image of the South. People like you condone this kind of bullsht by your silence. To paraphrase: Silence is consent.

"joneses said... O'bastard is the fool that lives in the White House and has asked for full power to extend the debt ceiling from congress which would make him a "dick"tator. I refer to as him O'Bastard because on St. Patricks Day he speaks of his Irish heritage, the "O" and he was born out of wedlock making him a "bastard". Now you know who O'Bastard is. It is apparent you do not know him that well."

December 13, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.
jesse said...

All this hoopla about the deficit and tax increases and budget cuts ain't a drop in the bucket! Untill w/get unemployment down to 3 or 4 % get people back to work and paying taxes we are gonna stay in this hole!

BTW: somebody let Clay know the election is over and Romney rode off into oblivion!

December 13, 2012 at 11:58 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

libshame: I don't condone shiz, bub. You're the generalizer in chief on this board. Necks abide in all regions. Maybe you ought to get out of your St. Elmo cocoon.

December 13, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: “You're right, laurel. Who needs terrorist and foreign enemies when we have the Dems spending our nation into oblivion? Spend, spend, spend. Right, laurel?”

Either you have a short memory or you’re a very confused guy, Jack. This isn't about spending. If you want to cut spending, you do it through budget legislation. Congress has already been there and done this. No, this latest destructive threat by the Republicans is a refusal to make good on budget decisions that Congress has already made.

December 13, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel. You're the confused one. If you can't see thru this ploy by The Organizer, too bad. All about more revenues for spending. Clear to me.

December 13, 2012 at 12:18 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Troll_Dennis,

"If you can't see thru this ploy by The Organizer, too bad. All about more revenues for spending."

It's worked thus far. Clear to everyone.

December 13, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... libshame: I don't condone shiz, bub. You're the generalizer in chief on this board. Necks abide in all regions. Maybe you ought to get out of your St. Elmo cocoon."

Funny but I've never read any posts where you actually CONDEMN the kind of ignorant, racist bullsh*t posted by joneses. Necks do abide in all regions but there is an overabundance of them in the South. Even Mitt Romney knew that.

December 13, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Joneses,

You have cemented your legacy as a blithering idiot with your posts on this thread. Congratulations! Stories will be told, odes will be sung, and children of all ages will hear of your ignorance from their elders. And another thing:

"You're in more dire need of a blow job than any white man in history."

-Robin Williams in Good Morning, Vietnam

December 13, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.

Still not learning the lesson, huh?

Maybe the Ghost of Christmas Future will show up.

December 13, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.
degage said...

liberals will never agree that their God has put 6,125 new regulation in place since the election. Seems He was holding off on the regulations until after the election but has unleashed them every since, says the AP. They hurt all of us including you libs.

December 13, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.
potcat said...

Thats sad Easy, i bet he has never had a blow job.

jonesey, i'm going to let you in on a gift you can give yourself this Xmas, a blow job. No man should die without ever having this "life changing" experience. How do i know such things? My husband..... x boy friends, lets just say i know.

If you are married or have a girlfriend, get hungry, lust, passion that stuff, its a vice versa kinda thing. You might get it that way, if not and you really need help, they are professionals. Thats the route you are probably going to Have to take.

You will be a changed man and might even have a "light bulb" blast................................"Warning" Its the gift that keeps you coming back for more and more and more...................... Good luck!!!

Guess what my hubby wants for Xmas, New Years, birthday, Groudhogs day, Valentines, Good Friday, Easter et al ???

Oh wait a sec, Groundhogs day is my Birthday, Hmmmm.

December 13, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
fairmon said...

Either you have a short memory or you’re a very confused guy, Jack. This isn't about spending. If you want to cut spending, you do it through budget legislation. Congress has already been there and done this. No, this latest destructive threat by the Republicans is a refusal to make good on budget decisions that Congress has already made.

I am sure you are aware congress is in violation of the law that a budget is to be established annually. It has been three years since we have had a budget and Harry Reid will not allow a vote.

Please don't bother to tell me again how important it is to keep borrowing and printing money until we bust. I am very willing to pay more if you won't waste it and require each department to budget from a zero base instead of what was spent last year plus a healthy increase. The rush to spend so they won't be cut next year is happening now.

December 13, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

potcat: I never met a chick that didn't think she gave the greatest head in the world. You've got a long list of challengers, sweetie.

December 13, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

So Harp, you don't think the Community Spender is complicit in the spending frenzy? Come on, man.

December 13, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.
potcat said...

I have never met a woman who believed any such thing and i certainly don't. As usual your comprehension skills are to be desired.

December 13, 2012 at 3:34 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Hoffa Jr......stay away from Giants Stadium.

December 13, 2012 at 3:50 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: "You're the confused one. If you can't see thru this ploy by The Organizer, too bad. All about more revenues for spending. Clear to me."

Nice try, but it doesn’t fly, Jack. Once again you’re speaking with forked tongue. Indeed, if the Republicans were truly concerned about the deficit and about spending, they wouldn’t be working to get more tax cuts for the wealthy. If the Republicans were concerned about the deficit and spending, they wouldn’t be supporting more corporate welfare. If the Republicans were concerned about the deficit and spending, they wouldn’t be opposed to negotiating the best drug prices for Medicare recipients. No, Jack, the only things these Republican politicians are concerned about are their egos and a destructive political agenda.

December 13, 2012 at 3:59 p.m.
limric said...

POTCAT - you silly beast!

Whoo man - Hee haw. After I read your 3:34 post I laughed so hard milk came out of my nose. Did you really mean to say Jack_Dennis’s comprehension skills, “are to be desired”!?!? Maybe your thoughts of swirling sexiness and carnality befuddled your brain for a moment. I grope..er…I hope you meant, “As usual your comprehension skills leave much to be desired.” You may make them growl like junkyard dawgs, but you got me purring. He he he. Sorry I couldn’t resist.

You dirty kitty cat. (;-D

December 13, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.
potcat said...

I messed that one up for damn sure!!! I was talking on the phone and responding to this Jack Ass.

Glad you cleared that one up and got a good chuckle at the same time.

to be desired, gave me the creepers............LMAO....

December 13, 2012 at 5:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

So Laurel, what is the motivation of the Repubs to put forth "a destructive political agenda"? Makes no sense. I think you're politically intractable.

December 13, 2012 at 5:46 p.m.
alprova said...

potcat wrote: "I have never met a woman who believed any such thing and i certainly don't. As usual your comprehension skills are to be desired."

You'll have to overlook Jack. He went through man-o-pause a couple of decades ago. His mind is willing, but the body...?

December 13, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
limric said...

A woman & Joneses on Twitter:

I’m gonna send you a picture ;-)

Of?

Something you want (;-D

Money?

Noooo :-\

Bacon?

No -__-

FAIL !!

Don't blame me. Potcat (and Easy123) got me on an adult beverage and smoke induced goof rant. Ok I'll stop.

December 13, 2012 at 7:07 p.m.
tderng said...

Two men are sitting at a bar,one leans over and says "Obama opposes right to work". The other one looks at him and says "I could have told you that by the unemployment rate". seen on town hall cartoons :)

December 13, 2012 at 7:35 p.m.
limric said...

Oh oh oh,

Republican code: If it ain't broke, fix it till it is.

“Since losing the election, Mitt Romney is reportedly bored. After hearing this, Ann Romney said, ‘You’re bored? I’m sitting around all day with Mitt Romney.’” – Conan O’Brien

December 13, 2012 at 8:14 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: “What is the motivation of the Repubs to put forth "a destructive political agenda"? . . . I think you're politically intractable.”

Have you looked at today’s political cartoon, Jack? It’s a good place to start. You'll find a big clue in there. America is comprised of more than the GOP and our Nation's wealthiest 1%. And then, of course, there is the Republican Party’s radical and destructive anti-government ideology along with their intense personal animus toward President Obama.

December 13, 2012 at 10:22 p.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

You're wrong, again.


"Late that night Goebbels, after describing in his most purple prose the tremendous enthusiasm of the workers for this May Day celebration which he had so brilliantly staged, added a curious sentence in his diary: ”Tomorrow we shall occupy the trade-union buildings. There will be little resistance.”∗"

∗A document which came to light at Nuremberg shows that the Nazis had been planning for some time to destroy the trade unions. A secret order dated April 21 and signed by Dr. Ley contained detailed instructions for ”co-ordinating” the unions on May 2. S.A. and S.S. troops were to carry out the ”occupation of trade-union properties” and to ”take into protective custody” all union leaders. Union funds were to be seized. The Christian (Catholic) Trade Unions were not molested on May 2. Their end came on June 24.

That is what happened. On May 2 the trade-union headquarters throughout the country were occupied, union funds confiscated, the unions dissolved and the leaders arrested. Many were beaten and lodged in concentration camps. Theodor Leipart and Peter Grassmann, the chairmen of the Trade Union Confederation, had openly pledged themselves to cooperate with the Nazi regime. No matter, they were arrested. ”The Leiparts and Grassmanns,” said Dr. Robert Ley, the alcoholic Cologne party boss who was assigned by Hitler to take over the unions and establish the German Labor Front, ”may hypocritically declare their devotion to the Fuehrer as much as they like – but it is better that they should be in prison.” And that is where they were put.

Within three weeks the hollowness of another Nazi promise was exposed when Hitler decreed a law bringing an end to collective bargaining and providing that henceforth ”labor trustees,” appointed by him, would ”regulate labor contracts” and maintain ”labor peace.” Since the decisions of the trustees were to be legally binding, the law, in effect, outlawed strikes. Ley promised ”to restore absolute leadership to the natural leader of a factory – that is, the employer ... Only the employer can decide. Many employers have for years had to call for the ’master in the house.’ Now they are once again to be the ’master in the house.’ ”

-THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH: A History of Nazi Germany, by William L. Shirer (p. 179-180)


Sound familiar? Might want to read the whole book next time, you mental midget. LMFAO!!!

December 13, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Miss Forever Alone will learn one day to not wade in on topics where she lacks knowledge of certain events or to cherry pick a few sentences that appear to support her personal attacks on others.

Easy...you did a very nice job of handing her hind end to her on a platter.

Bravo!!

On May 2. 1933, Hitler did utter the sentence that MtJohn quoted, the same day that he outlawed the trade unions. He order the seizure of all buildings, including printing presses, newspapers and their assets. Trade union leaders were taken to prisons and concentration camps. All assets of the trade unions were assigned to the German Labor Front.

December 13, 2012 at 11:36 p.m.
Easy123 said...

alprova,

I'm just following your lead.

December 13, 2012 at 11:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"Sleasy … You always have to play the role of the Village Idiot, don’t you?"

That's your job, sweetheart. I wouldn't want to impose on your duty, thou most idiotic of idiots.

"I quoted from but it contains no proof that I was wrong in my assertion."

That wasn't the only assertion you made, dipstick.

"Here are some real details about unions in Nazi Germany."

Remember saying that? Then you highlighted all of the passages that talked positively about unions. Now who's the fool, AGAIN?

And that's not rhetorical. However, I know you won't admit being bested and made a fool of TWICE.

"BTW … I read the book and it portrays an entity that employed many of the same types of thuggery as our current labor unions and their Fleabagger troll minions."

No, it doesn't. Every single one of the passages that I quoted are the exact same thing that is going on in Michigan. The Nazi's turned Germany into a Right-to-Work state. Can't you read?

"ALBaby provide your source if you have one but we already know you can't."

I literally just quoted four paragraphs outlining how Hitler did that exact thing. Are you stupid? Maybe he never said that exact quote but who cares? He actually acted those words out in real life.

"You should really have backup in hand before you go out on a limb like that ... that way you look less the fool we already know that you are."

The backup is here, you stupid twat. You have now looked like a fool multiple times in your last three posts.

December 14, 2012 at 12:04 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"And I always though that was a butt ugly infected pimple on his ass. Every time I strap it on to drive him home and he grabs his ankles the ozzing puss and the stench is overwhelmingly foul."

I'm glad you have somewhere to vocalize your rape fantasies. Hopefully, having this avenue will save any of your neighbors from future molestation and/or sexual assault.

Congratulations on making yourself look like a psychopath AND a rapist in less than 50 words.

December 14, 2012 at 12:08 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel: Yeah it reminds me of the halcyon days Dubya spent with the (left loaded) media.

December 14, 2012 at 12:11 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"So you actually think that my quoting from a book is an assertion on my part and obviously you’ve never been exposed to sarcasm."

It was obviously an assertion on your part. But keep trying to wriggle out of it.

"Every worker having to pay union dues, as they did in Germany, is a right to work system … Really ??"

The Nazi's took over the unions and sent all the trade union leaders to concentration camps. YES, read the last paragraph I quoted. Can you even read?

"And these things are going on in Michigan??"

Read all of the quotes, dipstick. Your skull must be as barren as your sex life.

"I do remember seeing video of some union thugs beat up people and collapse a large tent structure on top of women and the elderly."

And? First off, this has nothing to do with your assertions. Secondly, you have to break a few eggs to make an omlette.

"So EmptyJohn’s quote was “Fake But Accurate”"

No. You have yet to prove that it was fake. That was your first claim, remember? Simply saying: "Hitler never said that." doesn't cut it, sweetheart. Your pedantry is nauseating.

"No DipSh!t … AlBaby claimed that EmptyJoihn’s quote was true and neither he or you have proved that to be a fact."

Yes, Dipsh!t. The quote literally happened and you haven't proven it to be a misquote or false.

But keep trying. :-)

LMFAO!!!!

December 14, 2012 at 12:55 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"union workers stood around with their hands in their pockets while Tarver attempted to pick up his catering equipment and other items."

Read all the words, moron. So much for your "union thugs" theory. Can you be any dumber? This excerpt, which you provided, debunks your own claim.

LMFAO! Keep going! Let's see how much of your foot you can get in that big mouth of yours.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/afp-tent-guy-fawkes.php

December 14, 2012 at 1 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"And you think this turned Germany into a right to work state ?? …. LMaO"

That was the goal.

"Hitler decreed a law bringing an end to collective bargaining"

"promised ”to restore absolute leadership to the natural leader of a factory – that is, the employer ... Only the employer can decide."

So now you’re crawfishing on you assertion that all of the quotes were examples of what’s happening in Michigan?? … Also LMaO

Not in the least. There are examples in each quote of what is going on in Michigan, you pedantic twat. The only one squirming is you.

"Just giving you a small sample of what is going on in Michigan"

You're trying to move the goalpost. It's common for you. Don't worry though, I still remember your original blunder despite your wriggling.

"Still LMaO"

RIIGHHHHTTTTTT!!

"Weren’t you the one running off at the mouth, the other day, about another poster being logically stupid ? … really LMao"

And you've come through in the clutch, AGAIN. Proving me right every time, sweet cheeks.

"Weak … Very weak … outrageously LMFaO !!"

I gave the same response you did. Therefore, you're calling your own claim weak; very weak, in fact. :-)

Keep going! Let's see if you can get your whole leg down your throat!

December 14, 2012 at 1:55 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"It appears that you think have trapped me in an error but could you be so kind as to go into detail how you arrived at that conclusion."

Your claim: I do remember seeing video of some union thugs beat up people and collapse a large tent structure on top of women and the elderly.

So, according to your logic, these same "union thugs that beat people up and collapsed a tent structure", decided to stand around and watch the guy they just beat up. How believable!

"union workers stood around with their hands in their pockets while Tarver attempted to pick up his catering equipment and other items."

That part of the quote would lead any thinking person to the conclusion that the union workers weren't involved. And what happened to those women and elderly? I didn't see that mentioned in the story.... LMFAO!

"do the task “Bad Boy.”"

Task completed, sweetheart.

"This is going to be a delightful exchange."

It hasn't been very delightful for you thus far. :-)

Can't wait to watch your wriggle some more. You've already moved the goalposts. What will you do next? Can you get BOTH feet in your mouth? :-) LMFAO!

December 14, 2012 at 2:05 a.m.
alprova said...

Oh looky, looky...Miss Forever Alone, the chief TFP trolless is backed into a corner...AGAIN...and rather than to slink off to pout like she normally does when sufficiently refuted, she refuses to concede. LMAO!!!

Given that it is a verifiable fact that Adolph Hitler banished all trade unions on May 2, 1933. It's quite safe to assume that he spoke publicly against the trade unions by uttering the following FULL QUOTE before he sent forth his minions to do the deed.

"We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their right to strike."

The above quote can be found all over the web. Pages and pages of it in fact. What cannot be found even once, is any source that discounts the accuracy of the quote.

Therefore, I'm sure that the consensus will be that the quote is extremely likely to stand as accurate. 1933 was, as most people are aware of, long before records were kept of such utterances by German Dictators.

Of course, it's easy to see why Miss Forever Alone must attempt defend Hitler as being pro-union. The truth totally blows away all theories that link Communism, Dictatorships, and unionism.

Hitler was hardly a communist. He was a tyrant who would have felt most comfortable in an all white society, as a man who practiced ethnic and societal standard cleansing to the nth degree, and who came out within two months of winning his election as a man was suddenly and violently opposed to trade unions, contrary to his stance on the issue while running for office.

Gee...the man was a politician who lied during his campaign about his personal beliefs before Mitt Romney made it an art form.

Hitler/Romney...now there's a ticket that every Republican would have loved to vote for.

"Too poor to house, feed, and clothe yourself? Here ya' go...a nice bar of soap. The showers are right over yonder. We've got a nice dinner that will be served just as soon as you are feelin' fresh...Oh? Ya' Got kids too? By all means...take them in there with you..." (snicker, snicker, snicker...)

December 14, 2012 at 2:33 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"Really ?!? You got to be out of your F’n mind !!… Hilter’s goal in reference to labor unions was to make Germany a “Right To Work” state? No sh!t … I did actually laugh at that one"

No, seriously.

"Hitler decreed a law bringing an end to collective bargaining"

"promised ”to restore absolute leadership to the natural leader of a factory – that is, the employer ... Only the employer can decide."

Those two things are the basis of the Right-to-Work idea. Are you stupid?

"So in your strange ass world “end to collective bargaining” and the “employer can decide” union issues is the proper definition of a “Right To Work” system. The loonyness just gets better and better"

Basically, but most people call it the real world.

"Including these??"

Moving the goalposts, again.

"Please keep this up as I can’t believe my good fortune in making a catch like you that provides so much amusement."

I was thinking the same thing about you. Keep wriggling, Duchess of Dildo. You must be a contortionist!

December 14, 2012 at 2:43 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"Up till this point it is a fairly straight forward story about union thugs rioting and collapsing a large tent onto women and the elderly."

It isn't straight forward whatsoever. No mention of women or elderly either. How far do you think you can move the goalposts?

"You don’t think that maybe the man’s wife was unhappy because after the attack the union thugs that caused the damage or allowed it to happen … “stood around with their hands in their pockets” … instead of helping the poor black man."

Which one was it? Did they "cause the damage" or just "allow it to happen"? "Crawfish" some more for me, honey.

Why would the attackers "stand around" and watch after they just committed a crime? Explain that one, Queen of StrapOn.

"Bunch of racist if you ask me."

I didn't and I wasn't planning on it either.

"Nice try … but no cigar… Loser"

I tried, succeeded, and got the cigar. Dumbass. By the way, the phrase is "Close but no cigar"! LMFAO!

"LMFaO !!"

I'm still laughing my a$$ off at your ability to put your foot in your mouth every single time you post something.

"This just isn't your night, is it, SLeasy ?!?"

It's been my night and morning, sTUpid! Keep going and I'll keep thoroughly kicking your cyber a$$ into the afternoon.

"LMFaO !!"

I sure am. Keep going, sweetheart!!! Don't let me down!

December 14, 2012 at 3:15 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"but then installed his own and even though they may not have been autonomous trade unions they did exist and the workers for the most part were happy with them."

To quote you: "you have yet to provide a verifiable source.".

"You’re exactly the type that would believe just about anything he reads on the internet if it happens to agree with his preconceived positions."

You just described yourself. Remember how you were trying to push the idea that Hitler was pro-union based on obvious deception from Hitler? LMFAO!

"I just lumped all of that B.S. together and will give it a big old LMFaO !!"

That's funny, I've been doing that exact thing to you for several hours now.

"Does making fun of the Holocaust make you feel all good inside?"

You seem to be the only Hitler apologist here.

"AlBaby if you’re allowed enough rope you usually go too far and eliminate your own self from any sense of decent humanity."

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the hanging and dehumanizing of tu_quoque:

tu_quoque said...

And I always though that was a butt ugly infected pimple on his ass. Every time I strap it on to drive him home and he grabs his ankles the ozzing puss and the stench is overwhelmingly foul.

LMFaO !!

December 14, 2012 at 12:01 a.m.

"Can’t bring myself to laugh at that piece of sh!t attitude."

Probably because you're too busy wallowing in self-pity.

"Would you please put me back on your ignore list … Loser."

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, Princess of Vibrator Land. But wriggle some more for us before you go, sugar tits. LMFAO!!!!!

December 14, 2012 at 3:34 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"Do you even know what “moving the goal post” actually means .. I would guess not."

I do, in fact. Kind of like how this all started with a Hitler quote and now you have totally changed the argument to some guy that had his hotdog cart knocked over.

"When I post quotes from sources and then comment on those quotes I am in no way prevented from addressing issues from other sources."

That wasn't the original issue i.e. you moved the goalposts.

"Your only option is to accept what I say or prove me wrong and after your performance tonight I doubt you have the mental equipment to do so."

I've proved you wrong many, many times last night and this morning. Based on my performance, it would appear as though my equipment is way too much for you to handle.

"I’m pretty sure she was including all of the low life union S.O.B.’s"

Conjecture. Keep wriggling.

"The people being attacked called 911 but all of the cops were protecting the government buildings and did not respond."

The story you have cited mentioned one person being attacked. And nowhere in that article does it say that anyone called 911 or that the cops were protecting the government buildings and did not respond. I thought you were quoting from a source? LMFAO!

"The union thugs knew that and that none of their accomplices wouldn’t rat on them and in fact protect them from answering for their crimes."

More conjecture. Keep wriggling. I thought it was "fairly straight forward"? You're just inserting your own answers into this story. Your "logic" doesn't seem to be working out. LMFAO!

"So you already know the answer to that one … don’t you ?"

No, I just didn't ask you or even consider doing so.

"What’s that silly ass word you are always applying to others … Oh yeah here it is .. Pedantic !!"

Not pedantic at all. That's simply not the phrase. If you're going to use a phrase, type in correctly. Were you just making up your own phrase? Or are you just a severely imprecise idiot? LMFAO! You, Oh Empress of the Rubber Phallus, embody the word "pedantic".

"LMFaO !!"

I have been all night and morning. Don't stop now, sweetie pie!

December 14, 2012 at 4:26 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"Sure doesn’t seem to agree with your B.S. definition."

You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you? Take notes, moron.


The ballot issue was the result of a petition drive by a union-led coalition after Wisconsin in 2011 stripped some collective-bargaining rights from public employees and Indiana’s passage this year of a right-to-work law. The Wisconsin move led to an unsuccessful recall drive against Republican Governor Scott Walker.

Proposal 2 supporters said the state went too far with laws that made it easier for schools to fire teachers, ban union-dues collections by government entities and allow state-appointed emergency managers to cancel union contracts in financially distressed cities and school districts. The proposal was beaten by corporate opponents that spent $32 million “lying to voters to confuse them,” according to a statement by Protect Working Families, the group behind the ballot issue. “Working people will continue the fight to ensure a voice for fair wages, benefits and safe working conditions that benefit us all.”

Supporters expressed concern that Republican Governor Rick Snyder would approve a right-to-work law if passed by the Republican-controlled legislature.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/michigan-voters-reject-collective-bargaining-protection.html


Real life sure seems to agree with my definition! See what I mean about the pedantry?! LMFAO!

December 14, 2012 at 4:36 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"See my 10:46PM post"

Nowhere in that post does it say "the workers for the most part were happy with them.". LMFAO!

Also, the DAF was the National Socialist trade union. Need I go on?

"I provided quotes from these two books and you are welcome to provide any proof that I stated that Hitler was pro union but you won’t with out misrepresenting one of my posts. "

"However the quote in the photo you linked to is B.S. and was never uttered by Ol’ Adolph."

"Here are some real details about unions in Nazi Germany."

Then you proceeded to highlight every pro-union excerpt in each quote.

Then you said:

"It all sounds so nice … doesn’t it??"

Nothing misrepresented. Again, I have provided ample proof and still you wriggle. LMFAO!

"Do you have any problem with AlBady’s making fun of the Holocaust and if not why not?"

alprova wasn't making fun of the Holocaust and you know that. How about a new word? SOPHISTRY. You aren't fooling anyone. LMFAO!

"Thank you for reposting that as it was a laugh riot slap in your face."

This video is an understatement but it gets the point across.

You created the rope, hung yourself, and left yourself void of humanity in one fell swoop, according to your own logic.

"LMFaO !!"

I am and have been, as a matter of fact. Thanks for noticing!

December 14, 2012 at 4:51 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

I posted this about 30 minutes ago so you probably can't read or you're just too stupid to understand what actually goes on in the real world.

"Sure doesn’t seem to agree with your B.S. definition."

You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you? Take notes, moron.


The ballot issue was the result of a petition drive by a union-led coalition after Wisconsin in 2011 stripped some collective-bargaining rights from public employees and Indiana’s passage this year of a right-to-work law. The Wisconsin move led to an unsuccessful recall drive against Republican Governor Scott Walker.

Proposal 2 supporters said the state went too far with laws that made it easier for schools to fire teachers, ban union-dues collections by government entities and allow state-appointed emergency managers to cancel union contracts in financially distressed cities and school districts. The proposal was beaten by corporate opponents that spent $32 million “lying to voters to confuse them,” according to a statement by Protect Working Families, the group behind the ballot issue. “Working people will continue the fight to ensure a voice for fair wages, benefits and safe working conditions that benefit us all.”

Supporters expressed concern that Republican Governor Rick Snyder would approve a right-to-work law if passed by the Republican-controlled legislature.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/michigan-voters-reject-collective-bargaining-protection.html (and other sources if you don't like this one)


Real life sure seems to agree with my definition! See what I mean about the pedantry?! LMFAO!

December 14, 2012 at 5:05 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"Pedantic ??? … LMaO !!"

Again, no. You said one thing and there is no proof of it in your source. LIAR???? LMFAO!!

"That’s a fact and you have yet to prove it is true but of course pointing out that someone is posting falsehood means you are a Hitler defender … Right?"

A fact based on what? Because you said so? Again, the won't cut it as a source. And you have yet to prove it is false.

Yes, you defended Hitler on more than one account.

"As I said before you are obviously mentally deficient and not capable of detecting sarcasm"

So you were being sarcastic towards your own post? So you were being a prick to yourself, correct? LMFAO! Keep wriggling.

"Of course you didn’t (hint – sarcasm)"

I didn't. (hint: no sarcasm)

"of course he didn’t (also sarcasm)"

He didn't (also not sarcasm).

"I was hoping you would post it again … oh well then I will"

You created the rope, hung yourself, and left yourself void of humanity in one fell swoop, according to your own logic. Multiple times to this point, in fact.

"LMFaO !!"

I'm getting a belly ache from laughing with such force. This time, see if you can get your hands in your mouth with both feet! LMFAO!!! Keep going, keep going!!!

December 14, 2012 at 5:31 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"SLeasy why are you refusing to defend these two statements that you were so eager to post earlier as defining a right to work state?"

You really are the biggest idiot I've ever come across. I'll post it again for you, sweetheart. Heck, I'll bold the whole thing so you can read it better.


The ballot issue was the result of a petition drive by a union-led coalition after Wisconsin in 2011 stripped some collective-bargaining rights from public employees and Indiana’s passage this year of a right-to-work law. The Wisconsin move led to an unsuccessful recall drive against Republican Governor Scott Walker.

Proposal 2 supporters said the state went too far with laws that made it easier for schools to fire teachers, ban union-dues collections by government entities and allow state-appointed emergency managers to cancel union contracts in financially distressed cities and school districts. The proposal was beaten by corporate opponents that spent $32 million “lying to voters to confuse them,” according to a statement by Protect Working Families, the group behind the ballot issue. “Working people will continue the fight to ensure a voice for fair wages, benefits and safe working conditions that benefit us all.”

Supporters expressed concern that Republican Governor Rick Snyder would approve a right-to-work law if passed by the Republican-controlled legislature.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/michigan-voters-reject-collective-bargaining-protection.html (and other sources if you don't like this one)


Let me break it down for you, my little moron.

Right-to-work laws = less/fewer/abolished collective bargaining rights (see Wisconsin)

Right-to-work laws = Right-to-fire, Right-to-lower wages, etc. i.e. more power to the employer

December 14, 2012 at 5:34 a.m.
Easy123 said...

FOR THE FOURTH TIME

sTUpid,

"SLeasy why are you refusing to defend these two statements that you were so eager to post earlier as defining a right to work state?"

You really are the biggest idiot I've ever come across. I'll post it again for you, sweetheart. Heck, I'll bold the whole thing so you can read it better.


The ballot issue was the result of a petition drive by a union-led coalition after Wisconsin in 2011 stripped some collective-bargaining rights from public employees and Indiana’s passage this year of a right-to-work law. The Wisconsin move led to an unsuccessful recall drive against Republican Governor Scott Walker.

Proposal 2 supporters said the state went too far with laws that made it easier for schools to fire teachers, ban union-dues collections by government entities and allow state-appointed emergency managers to cancel union contracts in financially distressed cities and school districts. The proposal was beaten by corporate opponents that spent $32 million “lying to voters to confuse them,” according to a statement by Protect Working Families, the group behind the ballot issue. “Working people will continue the fight to ensure a voice for fair wages, benefits and safe working conditions that benefit us all.”

Supporters expressed concern that Republican Governor Rick Snyder would approve a right-to-work law if passed by the Republican-controlled legislature.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/michigan-voters-reject-collective-bargaining-protection.html (and other sources if you don't like this one)


Let me break it down for you, my little moron.

Right-to-work laws = less/fewer/abolished collective bargaining rights (see Wisconsin)

Right-to-work laws = Right-to-fire, Right-to-lower wages, etc. i.e. more power to the employer

December 14, 2012 at 5:42 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"The two statements you refuse to defend does not define a right to work state.... Idiot!!"

I've defended them four times now. And yes, it does, in the real world. Dumbass.

Hell, I even broke it down for you and everything.

December 14, 2012 at 5:45 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"SLeasy your in a corner you can't get out of but you're welcome to continue to prove yourself a fool."

LMFAO!!!!!! What corner is this you speak of? The imaginary one you've painted me into? Are you on meth or something?

You're in a glass case of delusion, not emotion.

You've already done the latter all night and this morning. But don't stop now, let's see how long you can keep this up! When will you run out of appendages to stuff in that big mouth of yours?

December 14, 2012 at 5:50 a.m.
potcat said...

Thanks Easy, i can't think of a better way to start my day than by watching the best insults in movie clips, Bravo!!!

December 14, 2012 at 5:54 a.m.
Easy123 said...

potcat,

You're welcome, my friend. Enjoy!

December 14, 2012 at 5:54 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"I'll not accept your own B.S. definition of what constitutes a Right To Work State as I have not asked you to accept one I have self defined."

I have literally cited the same source in four separate posts. And used no definition of my own. I simply broke it down for you because you are stupid. It was a kind gesture on my part. LMFAO!

"Here is a challenge for you."

I've literally met that challenge four times.

"Why don't you provide and independent none biased definition that will agree with the two statements that you continue to misrepresent."

Been there, done that. Four times, as a matter of fact.

"I personal don't think you can but you are welcome to try."

You're wrong multiplied by four.

"That's the corner you are trapped in ... so enjoy."

Hell, let's make it five! LMFAO!!!


The ballot issue was the result of a petition drive by a union-led coalition after Wisconsin in 2011 stripped some collective-bargaining rights from public employees and Indiana’s passage this year of a right-to-work law. The Wisconsin move led to an unsuccessful recall drive against Republican Governor Scott Walker.

Proposal 2 supporters said the state went too far with laws that made it easier for schools to fire teachers, ban union-dues collections by government entities and allow state-appointed emergency managers to cancel union contracts in financially distressed cities and school districts. The proposal was beaten by corporate opponents that spent $32 million “lying to voters to confuse them,” according to a statement by Protect Working Families, the group behind the ballot issue. “Working people will continue the fight to ensure a voice for fair wages, benefits and safe working conditions that benefit us all.”

Supporters expressed concern that Republican Governor Rick Snyder would approve a right-to-work law if passed by the Republican-controlled legislature.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-07/michigan-voters-reject-collective-bargaining-protection.html (and other sources if you don't like this one)


Let me break it down for you for the fifth time, my little moron, pedantic douche, etc.

Right-to-work laws = less/fewer/abolished collective bargaining rights (see Wisconsin)

Right-to-work laws = Right-to-fire, Right-to-lower wages, etc. i.e. more power to the employer

"LMFaO !!"

Seriously, guttural laughing for hours now.

December 14, 2012 at 6:10 a.m.
fairmon said...

The notion of being able to borrow oneself out of debt and into prosperity is like buying a lottery ticket and assuming that the buyer will win and solve all their debt problems while fulfilling more of their non essential wants.

What is wrong will allowing the temporary rates be temporary as intended and expire as scheduled? That does not preclude congress and the administration aggressively addressing tax reform with a logical approach to higher revenue and reduced spending. There are those that are convinced the Clinton era rates was the panacea for the economy but stop short if it also returns them to those rates. Why?

December 14, 2012 at 6:14 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"So you have run out of any real substantive points to present"

I've been presenting the same substantiative point for a few hours now. I haven't had to move on to any others. LMFAO!!

"and now you are all personal attack and emotion?"

Nope, just accurate descriptions of your character and intelligence.

"When you wear a Libtard down to their core that is all that you find."


Remember this?

tu_quoque said...

And I always though that was a butt ugly infected pimple on his ass. Every time I strap it on to drive him home and he grabs his ankles the ozzing puss and the stench is overwhelmingly foul.

LMFaO !!

December 14, 2012 at 12:01 a.m.


You really are insane and deranged! But I guess that's what you find when you wear a Conservatard down to their core.

"You may not like the right to work laws but your side is losing on a regular basis and in the most critical of places."

Only because the GOP and anti-unionists are spending so much money against the unions. Does this mean you're moving the goalposts again? LMFAO!

"Labor unionism in the private sector of this country is dead for all practical purposes."

No, it isn't.

"In 2011, 7.6 million employees in the U.S. public sector belonged to a union, while 7.2 million workers in the private sector were union members...Private sector union membership has actually increased over the past couple of years, as the private sector added jobs."

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/12/13/right-work-top-10-states-union-membership

"The only area that the unions have left is the public sector and many government sectors in this country are near bankruptcy from their agreements with these unions."

Again, false.

"When the tax burden is too heavy to bear the taxpayers will demand the reduction of these unions ability to negotiate for public employees or ban them entirely."

That will never happen.

"At that point unions will not completely disappear but will become only a sad outlier of our economy and government."

No, they won't.

December 14, 2012 at 6:26 a.m.
fairmon said...

Unions have evolved to being a big business with a hierarchy like a government that treats tax money like their personal bank account, unions use dues money similarly. Unions have had a good impact for workers when they first started but have lost their way. Rational responsible leaders stepped aside when the few radical members became unmanageable and the unsavory smelled the money and assumed many of the leadership positions. The number of high paid lawyers involved in lead positions is a clue.

Public employee unions are inherently a conflict of interest. Unions contribute and campaign for those seeking election knowing that is the person they will negotiate with. Once in office the elected official is obligated to the union and often participates in the benefits to which they agree. Public employee compensation for like work normally exceeds any private sector comparisons.

The behavior of some managers create the need for an employee union. One thing union members need to know is that an employer is not required to agree to any demand but is only obligated to negotiate in good faith. Too often greedy short term thinking employers agree to terms that will, at some point, be detrimental to the health of the business thus employee job security. The auto manufacturers are a good example.

December 14, 2012 at 6:43 a.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"You do know that Wisconsin is not a “Right To Work” state .. Don’t you??"

I do, as a matter of fact. Wisconsin is worse. Walker just skipped the middle man and passed a law that would kill collective bargaining rights. Guess what? It was found unconstitutional and struck down. Would Indiana be a more pertinent example for you?

"So how does this point make any sense"

How many times do I need to explain it?

"do you think to may want to rethink that and revise."

No.

December 14, 2012 at 6:48 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Enjoy the insanity!

Hypocrisy Example A:

tu_quoque said...

"So you have run out of any real substantive points to present and now you are all personal attack and emotion?"

December 14, 2012 at 6:15 a.m.


Hypocrisy Example B:

tu_quoque said...

"AlBaby if you’re allowed enough rope you usually go too far and eliminate your own self from any sense of decent humanity."

December 14, 2012 at 3:26 a.m.


And the pièce de résistance:

tu_quoque said...

"And I always though that was a butt ugly infected pimple on his ass. Every time I strap it on to drive him home and he grabs his ankles the ozzing puss and the stench is overwhelmingly foul."

December 14, 2012 at 12:01 a.m.


Psychosis. Live and in living color. And proud of it:

tu_quoque said...

"For the new arrivers this AM the above reference is to AlBaby’s ass and Sleasy following him so closely that he has become attached to it in the form of an infected pimple… Enjoy the visual."

December 14, 2012 at 6:47 a.m


Only a crazy person would boast about their own comments of raping someone with a phallic object. Congratulations on thoroughly discrediting yourself for the billionth time.

And yes, I'm still LMFAO!

December 14, 2012 at 6:57 a.m.
alprova said...

Not only have I witnessed an exchange that involved Miss Forever Alone arguing all night with herself at times, which was totally bizarre in and of itself, I am now firmly convinced that she has long and deep arguments with her dining room table.

The person known as tu_quoque is undeniably and absolutely insane.

The bottom line to all of this is rather simple. Miss Forever Alone is the person who claimed that the Hitler quote that sparked this latest exchange was invalid, therefore it is up to her to back up that claim.

Everything points to the quote being quite valid and my search reveals no evidence whatsoever that it was not spoken by the man, therefore, despite an extensive effort on her part to shove it aside, the quote will stand until Miss Forever Alone can successfully debunk it.

December 14, 2012 at 7:24 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: “Yeah it reminds me of the halcyon days Dubya spent with the (left loaded) media.”

Well, Jack_Dennis, you completely lost me with your latest comment. But maybe that was your intent. I guess you don’t want to talk about the Republican Party’s anti-government priorities and destructive political antics any more. Speaking of which, there is a good commentary in today’s NYT on the subject:

“You might never spot an air marshal on your flight, but it’s reassuring to know one might be there. In a few weeks, though, many of them are likely to get pink slips — along with food safety inspectors, border patrol agents and countless other government employees who play a crucial if hidden role in everyone’s lives. . .

The cuts, mandated by the 2011 budget agreement . . . have not received the same attention as the tax increases that are also scheduled to take effect in January. . .

The slogan that Republicans have relentlessly repeated on every talk show, and that Speaker John Boehner invoked Thursday — Washington has a spending problem, not a revenue problem — may sound superficially appealing to weary taxpayers, but those who mouth it never bother to give details on what their budget-cutting demands really mean.

It is not an abstraction, like their vague calls for “entitlement cuts.”

None of these brave budget-cutters want to go on television and say, cut the F.B.I. Or cut the Border Patrol. Or cut the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. But that’s exactly what they’re doing by insisting on slashing discretionary spending. . .

“Where are the president’s spending cuts?” Mr. Boehner asks, without mentioning any of his own. But Mr. Obama already agreed to more than $1.5 trillion in cuts last year that will extend for a decade.

In exchange, Republicans agreed to exactly nothing, except not to default on the nation’s credit last year, a threat they are preparing again for 2013. . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/14/opinion/pain-ahead-if-the-us-goes-off-the-fiscal-cliff.html

December 14, 2012 at 7:26 a.m.
joneses said...

Freedom v Collectivism To collectivists (progressives, socialists, statists, call them what you will) - No man is an island. Every man is a traffic jam. http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/gun-control-people-control-and-thought-control/ Gun Control, People Control and Thought Control December 13, 2012 By Daniel Greenfield The gun control debate, like all debates with the left, is reducible to the question of whether we are individuals who make our own decisions or a great squishy social mass that helplessly responds to stimuli. Do people kill with guns or does the availability of guns kill people? Do bad eating habits kill people or does the availability of junk food kill people? To the left these are distinctions without a difference. If a thing is available then it is the cause of the problem. The individual cannot be held accountable for shooting someone if there are guns for sale. Individuals have no role to play because they are not moral actors, only members of a mob responding to stimuli.

December 14, 2012 at 7:54 a.m.
joneses said...

That is how the left approached this election. Instead of appealing to individual interests, they went after identity groups. They targeted low information voters and used behavioral science to find ways to manipulate people. The right treated voters like human beings. The left treated them like lab monkeys. And the lab monkey approach is triumphantly toted by progressives as proof that the left is more intelligent than the right. And what better proof of intelligence can there be than treating half the country like buttons of unthinking responses that you can push to get them to do what you want? Would you let a lab monkey own a gun? Hell no. Would you let it choose what to eat? Only as an experiment. Would you let it vote for laws in a referendum? Not unless it’s trained to push the right button. Would you let it drive a car? Nope. Maybe a bicycle. And if it has to travel a long way, you’ll encourage it to use mass transit. Does a monkey have freedom of speech? Only until it annoys you. The clash that will define the future of America is this collision between the individual and the state, between disorganized freedom and organized compassion, between a self-directed experiment in self-government and an experiment conducted by trained experts on a lab monkey population. And the defining idea of this conflict is accountability.

December 14, 2012 at 7:55 a.m.
joneses said...

To understand the left’s position on nearly any issue, imagine a 20th Century American and then take away accountability. Assume that the individual is helpless and stupid, has little to no control over his own behavior and is only responding to stimuli and functions in a purely reactive capacity. Then use that data to come up with a response to anything from kids getting fat to a football player shooting his wife to terrorists firing rockets at Israel. The only possible answer to reactive behavior is to find the thing being reacted to and condemn it. The final failure of accountability for the left is a failure of moral organization, while for the right it is a failure of personal character. The right asks, “Why did you kill?” The left asks, “Who let him have a gun?”, “Who didn’t provide him with a job” and “Who neglected his self-esteem?” If you eat too much, it’s because corporations make you eat. If you kill, it’s because corporations encourage you to buy guns. You are not an individual. You are a social problem. The defining American code is freedom. The defining liberal code is compassion. Conservatives have attempted to counter that by defining freedom as compassionate, as George W. Bush did. Liberals counter by attempting to define compassion as liberating, the way that FDR did by classing freedoms with entitlements in his Four Freedoms. On one side stands the individual with his rights and responsibilities. On the other side is the remorseless state machinery of supreme compassion. And there is no bridging this gap.

December 14, 2012 at 7:57 a.m.
joneses said...

Liberal compassion is not the compassion of equals. It is a revolutionary pity that uses empathy as fuel for outrage. It is the sort of compassion practiced by people who like to be angry and who like to pretend that their anger makes them better people. It is the sort of compassion that eats like poison into the bones of a man or a society, even while swelling their egos with their own wonderfulness. Compassion of this sort is outrage fuel. It is hatred toward people masquerading as love. And that hatred is a desire for power masquerading as outrage. Peel away the mask of compassion and all that is underneath is a terrible lust for power. [CEM Note:  “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.” H.L. Mencken] Freedom goes hand in hand with personal moral organization of the individual by the individual. Organized compassion, however, requires the moral organization of the society as a whole. A shooting is not a failure of the character of one man alone, or even his family and social circle; it is the total failure of our entire society and perhaps even the world, for not leveraging a sufficient level of moral organization that would have made such a crime impossible. No man is an island. Every man is a traffic jam. Social accountability on this scale requires the nullification of the personhood and accountability of the individual, just as the moral organization that it mandates requires removing the freedom of choice of the individual, to assure a truly moral society. When compassion and morality are collective, then everyone and no one is moral and compassionate at the same time. And that is the society of the welfare state where compassion is administered by a salaried bureaucracy. Choice is what makes us moral creatures and collective compassion leaves us less than human. The collective society of mass movements and mass decisions leaves us little better than lab monkeys trying to compose Shakespeare without understanding language, meaning or ideas, or anything more than the rote feel of our fingers hitting the keyboard. This is the society that the left is creating; a place filled with as many social problems as there are people, where everyone is a lab monkey except the experts running the experiments, and where no one has any rights because freedom is the enemy of a system whose moral code derives from creating a perfect society by replacing the individual with the mass. It is a society where there is no accountability, only constant compulsion. It is a society where you are a social problem and there are highly paid experts working day and night to figure out how to solve you.

December 14, 2012 at 7:57 a.m.
ibshame said...

Easy 123, I take my hat off to you and to Alprova. TuDumb is just that TOO DUMB to realize when she's made a complete azz of herself. She is truly a legend in her own mind. She should be grateful you even take the time to read the bs she posts. 99.99% of the posts she makes are ridiculuous.

December 14, 2012 at 8:05 a.m.
alprova said...

Miss Forever Alone, I'm sure that outside of yourself and a few others who are totally clueless as to how to lay an anti-Semitic or race card on the table, everyone else knows what contrast I was drawing with that comment.

There are many homegrown, "patriotic" Americans residing in this nation, who would be proud to institute their own ethnic, lifestyle, and racial cleansing program, right here in the United States of America, if they thought for one second that it would create a singular race, eliminate alternative ethnicity, and result in them saving a penny on what they pay in taxes.

It's truly gotta suck to be you, day in and day out. You're rude, crude, and quite honestly, I can see no redeeming qualities that justify your existence whatsoever.

You're destined for posthumous fame. Of that I am firmly convinced. How many you will take with you when you decide to bow out of humanity remains to be seen.

December 14, 2012 at 8:09 a.m.
alprova said...

ibshame wrote: "Easy 123, I take my hat off to you and to Alprova."

Easy deserves all the credit, for he held his ground quite well in this one.

"TuDumb is just that TOO DUMB to realize when she's made a complete azz of herself. She is truly a legend in her own mind."

Indeed.

"She should be grateful you even take the time to read the bs she posts. 99.99% of the posts she makes are ridiculuous."

They are exactly that. I didn't read them all, because I lost interest during the couple where she was addressing her own comments, as if they were typed by someone else. She totally lost her mind last night.

I'm still scratching my head, trying to understand that.

December 14, 2012 at 8:24 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: Nothing...nothing at all. He cut and pasted the words of a fellow nutbar, sans paragraphs I might add, who is equally beating his chest, convinced of his own human superiority.

I posted it before. I'll post it again. It's going to be four long, miserable years for some people in this nation.

Some are still in shock and simply amazed that they lost, and will never in a million years...ever figure out why they are on the losing end.

December 14, 2012 at 8:41 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Has anyone else noticed that those with the least to say typically post the most words?

December 14, 2012 at 8:51 a.m.
davisss13 said...

"joneses said... Do any of you liberals think obastard should have the power to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval?"

The part that burns my ass is you degenerate swine passed the debt ceiling under Bush TEN TIMES with nary a peep of protest. You sir, are a braying ass fool who lusts for the failure of the United States. You hate this country and love power (and the money that comes with it) so much you'll do and say anything for the good of your party.

You and your filthy GD party can go to hell. And THAT is coming from someone who voted GOP many times in the past.

Have a nice day.

December 14, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn, the homosexual movement has now come out (no pun intended) with their own bible, the Queen James bible.

How long will it be before you quote their scripture in defense of the abomination of homosexuality?

December 14, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

WOW! What an evening. Whew.

Although at times seemingly quite insane, tu quoque’s argumentive style is entirely consistent with her moniker. Her bombast last night however, had more in common with an Ouroboros.

Her handle translates as 'you too', also known as the appeal to hypocrisy. She consistently employs this red herring because it takes the heat off her having to defend her arguments or how her in formation retrieved and used (cut and paste), and instead shifts the focus back on to the person making the criticism.

Example: Easy123 pointed out that tu quoque had committed logical fallacies, but instead of addressing the substance of his claims, tu quoque accused Easy123 of committing a fallacy earlier where there was none.

Alprova, there was not a whiff of anti-Semitism in your posts whatsoever.

To give you an idea of what you’re dealing with:

Love, Mickey

December 14, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Conservative - when will you learn how to read for content?

I have shared with you my understanding of the subject. Even though you have made litle effort to understand what I have had to say (I said understand - not agree with), I have twice indicated my willingness to continue our conversation about Scripture and homosexuality in the thread where that conversation belongs. I also have told you that I would not respond to you on the topic except in that thread. Yet, you have attempted to hijack every thread since. I'm not going to play that game. Now, if you want to continue the conversation, you'll just have to wait for Clay to post another cartoon for which that conversation would be relevant.

December 14, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
Maximus said...

With the Poverty Pimp Obama as our banana republic third world President of the Socialist and Fair States its the ghost of Christmas future that we should be worried about. For what ever reason, we refused to elect Mr. Romney, a man that had achieved success in every aspect of his life...Faith, Family, Volunteerism, Political Leadership, and Financial in order to re-elect a man driven by his socialist black liberation theology. Obama 's goal is primarily revenge. He has a chip on his shoulder against our founding fathers that created this awful, racist country and is bound and determined to get even via his "punish the achievers" fairness revolution. The ghost of Christmas future may be taking us to see the grave of what once was America, The Shining Light On The Hill. Additionally, Obama, and most of the liberal posters on this site are proponents of John Maynard Keyes and could care less about leaving a legacy of sound financial policy for the generations ahead. They spend, spend, spend, like the spoiled brats they are without a care in the world and some how expect things to work out just fine. Mr. Marley saw the future of what will be not what it has to be. Hopefully, through God's grace, those who are not like me, self sufficient, a member of the 1% and look at the U.S. Government as just another account to sell, will make it out of BArry's Nightmare OK. I will not let this little affirmative action govenment loans he never paid back D-student ivy league punk dictate anything to me or my family.

December 14, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Max makes sense.

December 14, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Max - please substantiate your opinion with facts.

December 14, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Well, the Messiah has dumped Susan Rice. He's trying to make a clean gitta-way on the Benghazi clusterflock.

December 14, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
potcat said...

Conservative... you are soooo CHRISTIAN this morning.

WWJD???

December 14, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy123 combs the net for his responses. The lad hasn't posted an original thought yet.

December 14, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Maximus said... With the Poverty Pimp Obama as our banana republic third world President of the Socialist and Fair States its the ghost of Christmas future that we should be worried about. For what ever reason, we refused to elect Mr. Romney, a man that had achieved success in every aspect of his life...Faith, Family, Volunteerism, Political Leadership, and Financial in order to re-elect a man driven by his socialist black liberation theology. Obama 's goal is primarily revenge. He has a chip on his shoulder against our founding fathers that created this awful, racist country and is bound and determined to get even via his "punish the achievers" fairness revolution."

Then Jack_Dennis follows with: "Max makes sense"

Max only makes sense in the bizarro world of right wing nut jobs because they refuse to accept the fact President Obama beat them not once but twice. Twice after all the bullsht ignorance of the Birther Movement; the Secret Muslim movement; the Socialist Movement; now it's the he has a "chip on his shoulder" bullsht because he's finally refused to cowtow to a bunch of losers in Congress.

The only Nightmare is this for right wing nuts: For the next four years whether you like it or not, Barack Hussein Obama is going to be the President of the United States and there's nothing you can do about it. Now go get in line for your shots at the Vet, because that foam coming out of your mouth indicates you are rabid.

December 14, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

You go lib shame!!

December 14, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... Easy123 combs the net for his responses. The lad hasn't posted an original thought yet"

His thoughts on your posts are pretty original to me. LOL

December 14, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

MTjohn says "Has anyone else noticed that those with the least to say typically post the most words?"

John: Are you referring to ALPO?

December 14, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque - you are the living, breathing example of your moniker. But, if you are auditioning to be the next Ann Colter, you'll have to step up your game.

December 14, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
Maximus said...

Mtjohn Ibshame, I am not a birther nor a right wing nut. As I said, government is not that big a deal in my life. I do care about preserving our American heritage and giving my grandkids a chance to better themselves in thde future. You know that old fashioned concept of each new generation taking their qualtiy of life to the next level. Mtjohn & Ibsahme this concept is called "ambition" which a LOT of Barry supporters do not have. No I understand that obama is prez and I plan to, as a good free market capitalist does, exploit his administration to my "individual" advantage. I am already working on three Obamacare contracts that I plan to make big dollars on. No, No, I will be fine its losers like Ibshame that I worry about. He might get frostbite standing in all those lines which by the way a hallmark of socialism...lines. As for Obama being an advocate of black liberation theology revenge, just ask his preacher that married him and big ole booty Michelle Jerry Wright..."God da%$ America yor chikens have cum homz to roost. JayZ say..."yo homies, obamaz bez da bawes getz ova it niggas". JayZ of course is a big, big, friend of Barries and his song lyrics are soooo kind to women that must occasionally gitz dat $250 for da abortions. I'm sure Obama and Jayz are the kind of "sensitive" men that would go to the planned parenthood center and hold the hand of the woman they impregnated while waiting to pay the $250 so the baby...errrr...unviable tissue mass.. can be stabbed with a pointed instrument and destroyed. Yes we can ya'll!!!!

December 14, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack - in this thread Alpo can't hold a candle to TQQ's posts. You might not have seen it before the moderators cleaned up her mess.

December 14, 2012 at 11:07 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tu_: I think Easy is attending a politbureau meeting in St. Elmo.

December 14, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Maximus said...Mtjohn Ibshame, I am not a birther nor a right wing nut. As I said, government is not that big a deal in my life."

Max. I neither said nor implied that you were. I just noted that your post was your opinion. I do not think you can substantiate it with facts - that is my opinion - and I gave you the opportunity to share some facts upon which I might change my opinion.

Your reference to Jeremiah Wright says nothing unless you want to talk about the quote in the context of the full sermon.

Footnote: If you do not want to be mistaken for a birther, you might want to stop using their lexicon.

December 14, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
MTJohn said...

TQQ - how many of the above posts quote you but the posts from which those quotes were taken are no longer on the board?

December 14, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn, guess who published the pro homosexual Queen James bible?

It was not Eerdmans, nor Moody Press, nor Zondervan, nor Kregel, nor Hendrickson, nor Tyndale, or any reputable Christian publisher.

No, the publisher of the pro homosexual Queen James bible is QueenJamesbible.com!

No reputable publisher would touch it.

December 14, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

MTjohn: John, seriously, don't use the old "context" cop-out on Rev. Wrights diatribe. It won't float. The guy is nasty.

December 14, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Joneses says: “The right treated voters like human beings. The left treated them like lab monkeys.”

You sound delusional here, Joneses. For starters, there is nothing humane about Republican Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan’s proclamation that rape is just another “method of conception” OR Representative Adkin’s declaration that women could not get pregnant from “legitimate rape” OR Representative Mourdock’s claim that rape "is something that God intended" OR the Republicans’ refusal to renew the Violence Against Women legislation.

Indeed, there is nothing humane about the Republican Party’s ongoing attempts to undermine our seniors and this nation’s Social Security program, to cut much needed Medicare benefits for seniors, to cut Medicaid assistance for the disabled and poverty level children, to cut Food Stamps for hungry families, to cut funding for the education of our nation’s children, and to ignore the millions of Americans who cannot afford costly medical insurance for their families.

December 14, 2012 at 11:51 a.m.
Maximus said...

MTJohn...Lexicon...impressive. You are either a teacher or you keep a dictionary close at hand. As the old saying goes...those who can't do...teach. It is very well documented that the right Rev. Wright, a hate filled, leftist, racist minister, married Barrack and Michelle and they both attended the black liberation theology minister's church for twenty years. Had a Republican candidate attended Rev. Wrights church even once or twice and especially if Wright had officiated at their wedding, the candidate's political carrer would have been over due to the ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN secular humanist left wing media attack dogs currently controlling most media including the YAHOO's and Google's of the internet.

December 14, 2012 at 11:58 a.m.
Maximus said...

mtnlaurel You really, really have bought in to Axelrod's and Plough's Obama message. You forgot "It's Bush's Fault" though. No gold star or should I say red star for you. Congratulations on being a mind numb idiot robot of the Welfare Pimp state. My only hope is that Obama can make everything fair and that no one, not anyone, not even Mtn Laurel will ever, ever get their feelings hurt again. "Dem republicans bez goinz afta mi social sekurities and foodz stampes yo,yo.yo......" Mediocrity for all except for the ruling class, JayZ, Clooney, Matt Damon, and Rev. Wright!

December 14, 2012 at 12:22 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

more thuggery: A speaker at a union protest against right-to-work legislation said if Gov. Rick Snyder signed the bill he would get "no rest" and that protesters would be at his "daughter's soccer game." I'm sure this was taken out of context.

December 14, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.
potcat said...

Humbug indeed, 27 people dead, 18 children in Conn elementary school.

No words........................

December 14, 2012 at 1:13 p.m.
ibshame said...

So very, very tragic. One has to wonder how many more will have to die before the gutless members of Congress will stop bowing to the NRA and do something about gun control. This is happening too often and the only excuse the gutless can give is Guns don't kill; people kill. It's time for someone to have the courage to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. President Obama must show LEADERSHIP and address this issue because it's only getting worse with all kind of mad dogs running loose like the creatures who killed these people today and last week. It's got to STOP!!

December 14, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

So libshame. What do you propose. Banning of all firearms?

December 14, 2012 at 3:05 p.m.
hambone said...

There was a ban on assault rifles and high capacity magazines that expired in 2004. WHY! Why does Congress write a good law and then let it expire. Cowtowing to the NRA. Why!

I don't know about the shooting today, but in the Gabby Gifford case the shooter was stopped while he was reloading after emptying a 30 round magazine. Had the ban still been in effect he would have had to reload after 10 rounds. How many were killed or wounded by the last 20 rounds?

The shooter in the CO. theater had an assault rifle with a 100 round magazine. Had the ban still been in effect he would not have been able to buy these.

It is time for the NRA to show some common sense and get their head out of their 2nd Amendment!

And I'm a former NRA member!

December 14, 2012 at 3:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I have no problem banning high capacity magazines. Problem is, there are millions of them out there.

December 14, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
miraweb said...

We all have a stake in ensuring that angry young men do not become angry young shooters.

I still think raising the licensing age to 30 would be a good start. The NRA is not blameless. It has lobbied against common sense rules - that most people agree with - as a political tool to rile up the GOP's base.

There are good things the NRA has done. Training and gun safety are important.

So is keeping firearms out of the hands of yet another angry and disturbed young man.

December 14, 2012 at 3:19 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

concur ^^

December 14, 2012 at 3:23 p.m.
hambone said...

The NRA's purpose is not to protect the 2nd Amendment but to promote gun sales and protect gun makers!

Jack, every time one of those high capacity magazine shows up, melt it down. You have to start somewhere1

December 14, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

worth thinking about ^^^

December 14, 2012 at 3:40 p.m.
limric said...

Ibshame,

I in no way mean to diminish the horror, the sorrow or the pain of the children, families and friends directly or indirectly affected by the massacre in Connecticut. I share your sadness, your rage. However, knee jerk reactions, blaming the NRA, advocating gun control or demanding the president show LEADERSHIP and address this issue, while wholly justified, is an anger misplaced.

You’re right. “It's got to STOP!!”

Let’s put on a different pair of sandals for a moment. The very person you wish to address this tragedy in Connecticut is guilty committing these very same types’ crimes half a world away - other places - where brown children live.

You’re right. “It's got to STOP!!”

Too few are NOT demanding accountability. And yes, “it's only getting worse with all kind of mad dogs (the CIA, the White House, their apologists?) running loose like the creatures that killed these people today and last week.” Is a mad dog in a suit and tie any less of a mad dog than a lone gunman? Is a 7 year old girl on a hill in Afghanistan worth less than a 7 year old boy in the USA?

You’re right. “It's got to STOP!!”

IT'S NOT THE SAME! - you might say. It’s not…but then again - it is, isn’t it.

You’re right. “It's got to STOP!!”


Every Day is an Anniversary, by Steve Osborn

Every day another death, or more. Blown apart, shot, starved, Military or civilian, young or old, Innocent or guilty, they die.

Looking back through history; Egyptian, Jew, Babylonian, Greek, Roman, European or American; As today, they died.

Peaceful farmers raising their crops, Came the conqueror, they died. Poets writing of Peace. A Dictator’s decree; they died.

Lovers picnic in a mountain meadow. Overflies the drone, a missile fires; Blast of fire and steel. Must have been terrorists, they died.

Collateral damage is a convenient term. Doesn’t sound like weeping widows, Crying mothers and shattered homes. Just pay them compensation and forget them.

Forget them all, soldiers, civilians, young and old. Forget the wasteland of war, the trampled crops. Maimed children, brothers and sisters, There are always lots more where they came from. Forget that - every day is an anniversary.


Tears begin to fall, Limric……

December 14, 2012 at 4 p.m.
GameOn said...

This is a tragedy and my prayers are for all of innocent victims involved. I cannot imagine the horror of sending my spouse or child off to school only to be victims of a tragedy like this. However, you cannot stop a mentally ill individual on a mission of evil unless, they are locked up. This young man could have easily done as much damage or more with a car or truck. The NRA represents responsible gun owners and gun ownership. They do not represent the mentally ill with stolen guns from murder victims.

China has gun control and they have had problems without guns. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-05-12-china-students-killed_N.htm

December 14, 2012 at 4:03 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Damn. I logged on today expecting to spout off a few opinions and make a few wisecracks at the expense of people whose politics I do not agree with. Then I read the news from Newtown, Connecticut. Tragic beyond belief. There will no doubt be many debate topics in the aftermath. Everything from gun control to psychiatric care in America to the status of the family unit and they all have their place in time. We will try to make sense of the senseless, it is part of the human condition.

We may or may not succeed in putting an end to these mass shootings that plague us as a nation, but individually we can begin to treat everyday as a gift. This a chaotic and all-too-often crazy world we live in and there are few guarantees. Love the people in your life, even when they make it difficult. Live everyday like it's your last and try to laugh even in the darkest times.

Peace and good wishes to all, even those that I don't agree with about anything.

December 14, 2012 at 4:07 p.m.
chatt_man said...

So, ibeshame, other than Jack melting down all the high capacity magazines, where would you start?

December 14, 2012 at 4:12 p.m.
patriot1 said...

These high capacity magazines (or any magazines) are made of sheet metal and springs. Good luck outlawing them.

December 14, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.
tderng said...

just read an article about a nutjob in China who attacked a group of people with a knife killing several and injuring dozens more. People who want to kill numerous people will find a way.If someone drives a car into a crowd of people I never hear anyone wanting to ban cars. The loss of life in all instances like this is tragic and sad. ibshame should we ban knives,cars and other implements a madman might use to kill multiple people? hambone,I believe that even if 30 round clips are banned these nutjobs will simply bring more than one gun or more clips. I understand your stance on banning large capacity magazines but I'm not sure it would be all that effective in these situations.Apparently this guy had several different guns that he used,or planned to use.Guns that use a clip,especially handguns, can be reloaded quite rapidly by someone who has any knowledge of how to do so and has practiced just a little.The NRA's purpose is to promote the 2nd amendment so that guns can be sold and made here in America.

http://news.yahoo.com/knife-wielding-man-injures-22-children-china-064458804.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=DTN+Korean+News:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/02/china-knife-attack_n_1731760.html

December 14, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
tderng said...

gratefuldawg...very good post!!!

December 14, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Driven to say something, yet speechless.

December 14, 2012 at 6:42 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountain laurel's response was:

Indeed, there is nothing humane about the Republican Party’s ongoing attempts to undermine our seniors and this nation’s Social Security program, to cut much needed Medicare benefits for seniors, to cut Medicaid assistance for the disabled and poverty level children, to cut Food Stamps for hungry families, to cut funding for the education of our nation’s children, and to ignore the millions of Americans who cannot afford costly medical insurance for their families.

Sounds like the school marm talking to little Johnny. Why do these welfare or charity functions fall to the federal government? Where in the constitution is the federal government empowered to take from some, deduct high government expenses and give to others? Why are these federal instead of local, state and privately supported?

December 14, 2012 at 7:03 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

chatt_man: Whoa....I said it was worth considering.

December 14, 2012 at 7:07 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Think I'll pass on the banal banter on here tonight.

December 14, 2012 at 7:32 p.m.

fairmon, because we're all American citizens, and movement from state to state isn't restricted.

National problems take national solutions.

But um, what's wrong with the government treating tax money as their bank account? Isn't that the way it is supposed to work? What else are they supposed to do with it?

December 14, 2012 at 7:46 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Yet another senseless mass killing, again with the type of weapon or weapons that have no business in the hands of anyone living in what we like to think is a civilized society. All you gun freaks keep spouting your nonsense that this is such a pity but it's better to have our "freedom" than it is to pass another gun control law, gotta protect the rights of the wannabe Rambos who want to play war in the woods pretending they're fighting off the big bad government blah blah blah... and there is nothing we can do to stop these psychos who are intent on doing these kinds of things blah blah blah... if he hadn't had a gun he would have used a car or a butcher knife or a hammer blah blah blah ...guns don't kill people, people kill people blah blah blah...gun control is just a socialistic and slippery slope to taking away all of our guns blah blah blah...it's not the NRA's fault, they're just doing their job of ensuring our 2nd amendment rights blah blah blah...so let's just kick back in our easy chairs, pop open another brewski, watch NASCAR or HONEY BOO BOO and let life go on, until it happens again, with even more innocent people killed the next time.

And then there's this from that jackass Huckabee: "We don't have a crime problem, a gun problem or even a violence problem. What we have is a sin problem. And since we've ordered God out of our schools, and communities, the military and public conversations, you know we really shouldn't act so surprised ... when all hell breaks loose." Huckabee, I want you to look into the eyes of each of the parents of those 20 dead kids and say that. Tell them that it's basically their fault for sending their kids to one of those "godless" secular schools. You pompous pathetic piece of slime.

My heart aches for those parents whose kids were needlesslysenselessly murdered just so we can maintain our precious "right" to own or buy the kind of weapons or ammunition that nobody other than the military has any business possessing. I keep hanging on to the notion that we're still basically a civilized society, a decent country to live in. But I know I need to face reality: there's no longer any doubt about it, we have gone completely nucking futs.

December 14, 2012 at 9:28 p.m.
fairmon said...

The question:

But um, what's wrong with the government treating tax money as their bank account? Isn't that the way it is supposed to work? What else are they supposed to do with it?

The money belongs to those depositing it with congress acting as the trustee authorized to spend on those items assigned to them by the constitution. They could stop obligating depositors and their heirs far beyond the deposits.

The ability to move from state to state has nothing to do with it. It is not a national problem simply because something can be found in essentially every state.

December 14, 2012 at 10:41 p.m.
fairmon said...

Why not tax the wealthy enough to run the government for 10 days instead of only 8, would that solve the problem or just move the day of reckoning forward a little? Increased taxes are to enable more spending to help the economy? Why not increase every rate with the top incomes rates having the larger increase but should the increase in taxes include prohibiting any government purchase of imported products or services to assure the right economy benefits?

December 14, 2012 at 10:54 p.m.

fairmon, they could, but it's the same people who are objecting to the tax increases that are getting upset about the spending. But starvation is not the way to prosperity.

And you can think that the ability to move from state to state has nothing to do with it, but no, it's a national problem because it doesn't just stop at state lines. People are too mobile, and that causes a need to deal with it on a national scale.

As for government purchases, you're a bit behind the times on that. The Buy American Act was passed in 1933.

December 16, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
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