published Saturday, December 22nd, 2012


about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

Brilliant Mr. Bennett!! It depicts the situation perfectly.

December 22, 2012 at 12:13 a.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Excellent cartoon. Frustrating website. What is going on with the TFP's WWW box? Did the tubes get crossed or does someone need to turn a crank or something?

Call Al Gore, he'll know what to do.

December 22, 2012 at 1:53 a.m.
jesse said...

The web site has been cranky for me for a week!!

Pretty decent toon Clay,better than average!

December 22, 2012 at 4:56 a.m.
EaTn said...

A large portion of folks haven't heard of the cliff and many more don't understand it's implications. Only if we go over the cliff in January will the reality set in after their first paychecks. Maybe then the majority will start demanding their representatives quit playing politics and start working toward a reasonable fiscal policy for the entire country.

December 22, 2012 at 5:53 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Great cartoon, Clay Bennett. . . And when you reflect on what the Republican Party has become in the bigger picture, I think the mistletoe imagery is a nice touch:

“Mistletoe is the common name for obligate hemi-parasitic plants in several families . . . These plants grow attached to and penetrating within the branches of a tree or shrub by a structure called the haustorium, through which they absorb nutrients from the host plant. . . The name was originally applied to Viscum album (European Mistletoe, Santalaceae) . . . Viscum album is a poisonous plant that causes acute gastrointestinal problems . . . both European Mistletoe and the North American species, Phoradendron serotinum, are commercially harvested for Christmas decorations.” [Wikipedia]

December 22, 2012 at 6:14 a.m.
alprova said...

Gunman kills three people near Hollidaysburg

Another one of those pesky shootings at a church, where presumably, discussion of religion is most welcome, and where God failed to protect those inside the church...again.

I suppose that conservative (aka the newest charter member of the WBA) will retort that the victims must have all been horrible sinners, and thus deserved to die, and that the shooter was just carrying out God's will.

December 22, 2012 at 6:23 a.m.
jesse said...


Did you just HAVE to start punchin Cons buttons so early in the morning??

December 22, 2012 at 6:44 a.m.
limric said...

A round of applause Clay. Today's is a classic. It will soon be all over the web.

December 22, 2012 at 7:16 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Did you just HAVE to start punchin Cons buttons so early in the morning??

Con has a 1 track mind-his current target is MTJohn over "killing" in the bible.

December 22, 2012 at 7:29 a.m.
conservative said...

Now that you mentioned it, a refresher:

MTJohn, Now, the easy way to prove "thou shalt not kill" means murder, without being "fluent in the language which Moses spoke" as you put it.

You see MTJohn, "thou shalt not kill" was one of the 10 Commandments given by God. Those commandments pertain to individuals. Individuals are not allowed to kill another person outside of the law. This would be UNLAWFUL.

That is why "thou shalt not kill" means murder!!! Pay attention to the context MTJohn, the context. MURDER MTJohn. Murder, the UNLAWFUL killing of another person.

So simple MTJohn, so simple.

Take some time and ponder that.

December 22, 2012 at 7:43 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I rest my case.

December 22, 2012 at 7:53 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Hmmm. . . Another good observation today over at the Reality Base site:

“In the classic British version of Charades, the goal is to act out a concept rather than a phrase or sentence.”

“Watching the House Republicans makes fumble and bumble around the fiscal cliff makes me think that they’re playing British charades, and the word is “decompensation.”

December 22, 2012 at 8:30 a.m.
miraweb said...

Hats off to Clay! Brilliant!

I do wonder if Boehner will ever realize he is Speaker of the entire House of Representatives and not merely some majority leader. His first duty is to the nation - not to the extremist wing of the GOP.

December 22, 2012 at 8:54 a.m.
fairmon said...

It really isn't a cliff, take the plunge, it will only hurt for a little while then we will be back to those wonderful Clinton years if we reduce spending to those levels as well.

EaTn said... A large portion of folks haven't heard of the cliff and many more don't understand it's implications.

I think you are right, few are aware. The implications are not as severe as the politicians play it up to be to get their way. If we want all the things we demand should we not be willing to pay for them? How long can we keep borrowing more and more money?

December 22, 2012 at 8:54 a.m.
Maximus said...

Time to get a true Red Stater as Speaker Of The House. I vote for TN Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn. She is a true conservative, Right To Lifer and a Gun Packing fine looking woman. As for the Yankee from Ohio, go join a union..........

December 22, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
jesse said...

The bottom line IS the repubs want spending cuts (ONLY) and the dems want tax hikes! (ONLY!)

If we go off the so called cliff THEN the Dems are in the drivers seat!Then what ever happens they WILL own it!

December 22, 2012 at 9:05 a.m.
Rebus said...

Bible, religion, who believes what, is getting tedious.

December 22, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
jesse said...

Boehners plan D commin up!!!PUNT!

December 22, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Only thing missing from the cartoon is the Tea Partier wasn't holding a Bible and a Hustler magazine (for educational purposes only, of course).

December 22, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
moonpie said...


I think you are wrong.

Sensible republicans and sensible democrats say we need both.

Right now, the hard line in the sand is on tax hikes.

Even when Obama has proposed greater deficit reduction than the republicans did in 2011, it was rejected by republicans because Obama called for tax hikes.

December 22, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
jesse said...

Moonpie,The dems throw out a red herring knowing the repubs ain't gonna go for it!As long as Obama sticks to a tax hike for the 2% it will not get off the ground and Obama knows it!

You're right in that it's gonna take both but it won't happin till after we go off the edge and then Obama can pretty much get any thing he wants! then the monkey is on his back if and when every thing goes from bad to worse!

December 22, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
fairmon said...

Have you heard anyone from any party talk about which deductions to eliminate? Have you heard either talk about limiting deductions to a dollar amount? That is getting too close to where they live to allow any serious action on deductions. The democrats want more to spend while the republicans pretend to reduce spending by slowing down the rate of increased spending. Either way and the debt owed by future generations is enormous.

December 22, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.
delmar said...

I could also see this 'toon as - U.S. citizens with mistletoe over our heads and the politicians with mistletoe over their arses.

December 22, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
Rebus said...

Seems to me it was never about cutting spending.

December 22, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
miraweb said...

If we do absolutely nothing, there will be a substantial tax rise on the 2%. That train has already left the station.

The only real question left is how to prevent another self-inflicted recession.

December 22, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
jesse said...

After we go off the edge Obama can get the tax cuts reinstated for everyone making less than$250,000.00 a year!

Him being a Democrat do you think he will do this?? I have my doubts!

December 22, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
miraweb said...

Another conservative viewpoint on dialogue

As evidenced in the House of Representatives this week, the American conservative movement is facing a terrible conflict of purpose. By viewing free thinking as the irreconcilable enemy of natural reason, by regarding dialogue as the unforgivable betrayal of core values and by labeling political opponents as conspirators and traitors, elements of the conservative base are driving the conservative agenda into a political wasteland.

December 22, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
fairmon said...

Who believes anyone in either party is concerned about anything other than who gets blamed? Obama and Reid appear to hope the rates all expire giving the government a revenue wind fall, they may be disappointed in the actual revenue realized. Both parties are more concerned about the mandatory spending reductions than the tax rates. Either party could propose extending the current rates for one year. The administration keeps saying the economy is on the mend and doing well, why not leave things as they are and see if that is accurate. The economy has always been and will be cyclical. In my opinion reasonable personal tax rates plus or minus a few percent doesn't have twit to do with how the economy performs. The cost of oil and energy is the 500 lb. gorilla whipping up on the middle and lower income crowd. Business rates and all the manipulation of taxes provided by congress is a different story.

December 22, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
fairmon said...

I doubt it Jesse since that would require agreement again.

December 22, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Wonder what happened to TOES666 (or whatever his number was)? He just seemed to disappear after the election. Hey, Maximus, when did you first start posting here?

December 22, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.
miraweb said...

The members of the Crazy Caucus (or who raised your taxes come January)

One thing Boehner's vote did (and, perhaps, was meant to do) is it made clear who the members of the Crazy Caucus actually are. Here is the short list:


Joe Barton, Louie Gohmert, Kenny Marchant, Ron Paul


John Fleming, Jeff Landry, Steve Scalise

South Carolina

Joe Wilson. Trey Gowdy, Mick Mulvaney


David Schweikert - booted from Financial Services Committee, Trent Franks


Steve Southerland, Allen West


Lynn Westmoreland, Paul Broun


Jim Jordan, Jean Schmidt - LAME DUCK


Doug Lamborn


Raul Labrador


Joe Walsh - LAME DUCK


Marlin Stutzman


Tim Huelskamp - booted from Budget Committee


Tomas Massie


Justin Amash - booted from Budget Committee

North Carolina

Walter Jones - booted from Financial Services Committee

December 22, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.
rolando said...

One picture says it all. This is an Israeli First Grade Teacher with her charges...

The cite also lists many cases where U.S. armed citizens stopped mass murders cold.

But none of this will show up in our "Progressive" news media headlines; i.e., news media just like this one.

So take your gun-grabbing and shove it...unless you are Muslim, of course, in which case I guess you just foam at the mouth at Israel's temerity in opposing your will to kill.

December 22, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
Easy123 said...


How does that picture say it all? Should I post some pictures of bombings on the Gaza strip? Dead Palestinian children? Dead women?

You act like Israel is a safe place. It isn't.

Take your Conservative talking points and shove them up your Wing Nut ass. Why is it you Wing Nuts are so anti-Palestine? I'd love to know the reasoning behind that.

December 22, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Easy123 wrote; "Why is it you Wing Nuts are so anti-Palestine? I'd love to know the reasoning behind that."

The Bible, religious orthodoxy of literal and inerrant fundamentalism, and lobbyists for the Israeli welfare-fund called 'foreign-aid', and the military-mercenaries-Black water-Halliburton factions. War pays off.

December 22, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...


You're exactly right. I'd just like to see how the WingNuts rationalize it to themselves because I know they would never use any of the actual reasons you have presented.

I am considering supporting Native Americans in an effort to reclaim their land. Same basic premise as the Israel-Palestine conflict. I doubt that would go over as well with Conservatives for some reason?! LMFAO!

December 22, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
miraweb said...

The statement that "Israel rarely sees mayhem" is just nonsense.

Most Israelis (male or female) also go through a couple of years of mandatory military service. Are we ready to draft everyone at age 18?

The picture (assuming it wasn't photoshopped) is more likely to be a member of the Israeli Civil Guard - some of whom serve as armed guides on tours.

Just because it is a woman doesn't mean it is a teacher.

December 22, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Rolando, you have got to be some kind of very warped, twisted human being to look at a picture like that and see anything positive about it. If we get to the point of our teachers having to carry a weapon everywhere they go - especially a military style weapon like that - it will only mean that we have given up entirely on working at being a truly peaceful society and have relegated ourselves to living in a perpetual war zone. While you gun freaks no doubt would love to see everybody armed to the teeth everywhere we go, most sane and normal human beings want nothing to do with a return to our Wild West days. If that is your idea of utopia then why don't you gun lovers go ahead and secede and form your own nation of guns, Bibles, no taxes, and no government. Good effin' riddance.

December 22, 2012 at 1:26 p.m.
jesse said...

If i thought that if the principal at sandy hook would have prevented what went down there by being armed like that then get it on!

I don't know, but whatever it takes to prevent something like that is O.K. w/me,no matter what it is!

While we are working on being a "truly peaceful society" our kids are getting slaughtered !

December 22, 2012 at 1:38 p.m.
moonpie said...


I agree with you that if we go over the cliff then it is closer to what Obama wanted than what the Republicans wanted. We get tax hikes and spending cuts.

The problem is, we get tax hikes for all people, which is not what Obama wants.

It will be interesting to see whose narrative wins at that point. Most people say the president wins.

But you raise a good point, even though the general public seems to think Republicans will be to blame if a deal does not get done.... if the economy gets worse, the President could get the blame.

I think this is a real possibility. And it's not an alien strategy to root for misery so you can lay the blame at another's feet.

I don't know why this thought just popped into my head as I typed this... but thinking of so many of conservatives who post here or who I know, I can't help but think how nice it would be if we had more reasonable people like Bob Corker in politics. I don't agree with him on everything, but he is a very rational and reasonable person. I am very proud to have him as our senator.

December 22, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Jesse, I really don't know how to respond to such an imbecilic statement as that. You and Ted Nugent and Wayne LaPierre would make great buds.

December 22, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
dude_abides said...

rolando, I think I see your logic now! More weapons equals more safety! There aren't enough guns in the high crime areas. If we had rent-a-gun kiosks on street corners, we wouldn't need police!

December 22, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
Rebus said...

"I agree with you that if we go over the cliff then it is closer to what Obama wanted than what the Republicans wanted. We get tax hikes and spending cuts." --Moonpie

not so sure The Pres. cares about middle class getting increased taxes

December 22, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
jesse said...

Moonpie, from what i've been reading if we go over the edge and the tax cuts expire then down the road a little bit Obama will move to reinstate the cuts for folks making less than $250,000.00 a year and "every body" will go for that!(including repubs)

Then they can get together on loopholes,exemptions and stuff like that!Sounds like a plan to me!

BTW: ROO, the first word in my post was "IF"! I don't have an answer and neither do you!Maybe their isn't one!

December 22, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
rolando said...

Well, the foaming mouths are out in force, attacking any system that works in favor of those that don't...along with personal attacks, of course...that's how Progressives work...always.

The police hesitate before going in to those areas anyway, dude.
You speak about illegal guns...the ones that will never be removed/confiscated/seized/whatever. I don't.

December 22, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
rolando said...

moonpie -- You presume The Obama cares about the middle and lower classes. He doesn't.

December 22, 2012 at 2:47 p.m.
rolando said...

We are already in a perpetual war zone, roo. You just don't recognize the clues for what they are.

Armed people stop armed attacks...although any determined assassin [or group of them] willing to die will kill his target[s] regardless how well protected. Which doesn't mean we should try to stop them.

You would turn our free society into a closed one where everyone fears the government...another failed USSR.

December 22, 2012 at 2:50 p.m.
rolando said...

"anti-Palestine"?? Why, you ask?. You wouldn't understand it if I tried; it is simply beyond your comprehension.

December 22, 2012 at 2:56 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

rolando said...

"anti-Palestine"?? Why, you ask?. You wouldn't understand it if I tried; it is simply beyond your comprehension."

Go ahead rolando, give it a shot. Let's hear your explanation. Or is support of Israel just a knee-jerk to whatever Israel wants, Israel gets?

December 22, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
miraweb said...

Two words, Jesse - Fort Hood.

13 killed. 42 injured.

December 22, 2012 at 3:48 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Cartoon looks kinda like a "Larry Craig Christmas."

December 22, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.
jesse said...

You've lost me Mira!

Don't know what you are referring to!

December 22, 2012 at 3:57 p.m.
Easy123 said...


"the foaming mouths are out in force"

Yes, you are.

"attacking any system that works in favor of those that don't"


"along with personal attacks"


"that's how Progressives work...always."


"You presume The Obama cares about the middle and lower classes. He doesn't."

You presume President Obama doesn't care about the middle and lower class. He does.

"Armed people stop armed attacks"


"Which doesn't mean we should try to stop them."

So you wouldn't have tried to stop 9/11?

"You would turn our free society into a closed one where everyone fears the government"

Nope. That's just what you WingNuts portray it as. The United States will never be the USSR or North Korea or any other Communist country/dictatorship you can dream up. It's WingNut Propaganda and that's all it will ever be.

"anti-Palestine"?? Why, you ask?. You wouldn't understand it if I tried; it is simply beyond your comprehension.

What an enormous cop-out! Are you afraid or is your reason just that lacking? I'm with daytonsdarwin. Put up or shut up.

December 22, 2012 at 3:59 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ah the good ol' days when gay male prostitutes moonlighted as White House reporters and tech savvy Congress critters share their privates with the public.

The world just isn't as much fun as it used to be.

December 22, 2012 at 4 p.m.
miraweb said...

Sorry, Jesse - I probably should have quoted a bit. I was responding to your 1:38 post.

December 22, 2012 at 4:02 p.m.
jesse said...

Here ya go Mira.Read the narrative of events and the fact that the only armed personell were two civilian police officers who both engaged him and one of whom brought him down! NO collateral damage AT ALL!

Wonder how many he would have shot if not brought down?

December 22, 2012 at 4:13 p.m.
miraweb said...

You may remember this one, as well. The police fired 16 rounds. They hit 9 bystanders:

December 22, 2012 at 4:15 p.m.
miraweb said...

This one is from yesterday morning. The police were shooting at pit bulls - and managed to hit a bystander.

December 22, 2012 at 4:17 p.m.
jesse said...

Mira, i'm Not sayin this the ONLY answer ,just something to consider!Better than just standin around waitin for somebody to DO SOMETHIN!

December 22, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
miraweb said...

There are always options that are worse than nothing.

The polls are in. Obama's approval rating is up to 58%. The country is blaming the Republicans for the breakdown in the fiscal cliff negotiations 2:1.

December 22, 2012 at 4:27 p.m.
jesse said...

OK The shooter gets in the school, kills the principal and starts killing children, gets up to 4 or 5 and an armed person engages him and kills him BUT hits 2 or 3 kids in the exchange!

Total body count 8! To me that's a hell of a lot better than a body count of 28!Sorry ,but that's just the way i see it!

December 22, 2012 at 4:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

What if the shooter killed the person that was armed? Then what is your imaginary body count at?

December 22, 2012 at 4:53 p.m.
jesse said...

The same as it would be if he wasn't there +1, Total 29!

December 22, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Hopefully, you see what I'm getting at.

December 22, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Or, jesse, the armed person doesn't kill him and the body count goes up to 31. You can't assume the armed person is going to necessarily win the gun battle. All you can guarantee is that there'll be more bullets flying.

Hey, we should put professional stunt drivers on the highways to run drunks off the road! Just 1 every 5 miles to drive back and forth looking for DUI perps that they can crash into guard rails or abutments, thereby saving untold numbers of sober drivers! Sure, there'll be some collateral damage, but the math works!

December 22, 2012 at 5:08 p.m.
jesse said...

Hopefully you see what I'M getting at!

There ARE NO perfect answers,perhaps no answers at all, but any thing that might reduce the number of dead should be at least be considered!

I don't own a gun and haven't in 35 years,if they ban guns and confiscate them all it has no effect on me atall,i don't have a dog in that hunt!

December 22, 2012 at 5:13 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Or, jesse, we could install concussion devices in the walls of every school that explode on command with just the right amount of force to knock everybody in the building senseless! All the kids would be deaf thereafter, but they'd be alive and we could just change the name of the school.

December 22, 2012 at 5:16 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"but any thing that might reduce the number of dead should be at least be considered!"

I agree but we should use logic and reason as well.

December 22, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Or, or, decoy schools with terrible security, full of exploding robotic "students" that can sniff insanity and home in on a target in nothing flat and, like, blow it to kingdom come.

December 22, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.
dude_abides said...

just being an idjit, jesse, it's out of my system now.

Listen, what's become of Jack_Dennis? I hate his guts, but I don't want anything to happen to him.

December 22, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.
jesse said...

You guys are a coupla real thinkers!

Probably all most ready to start to sassin ya momma!

I have no idea,prob.out tryin to track you and easy down!HA HA

December 22, 2012 at 5:30 p.m.
miraweb said...

As long as we're playing at action movie hero:

How 'bout we install RFID and GPS trackers into every firearm. If one gets into 100 feet of a school a space laser targets it and melts it into slag. Fingers and hands are the lookout of the weapon holder.

December 22, 2012 at 5:56 p.m.
miraweb said...

Hopefully Jack is just out buying John Boehner a stiff drink - or traveling with the holiday.

December 22, 2012 at 5:58 p.m.
jesse said...

Well Mira, lay your solution on us!

So far all you've done is run your mouth about anything anybody else suggests!

Give us the benefit of all your experience in this situation!

December 22, 2012 at 6:02 p.m.
Rebus said...

Shalom, Mira. Don't let'em get you down.

December 22, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.
dude_abides said...

miraweb said...

"...RFID and GPS trackers..."

YES!! But I would like a simultaneous drone strike at a randomly chosen shareholder of the manufacturer.

December 22, 2012 at 6:25 p.m.
delmar said...

jesse said..."OK The shooter gets in the school, kills the principal and starts killing children, gets up to 4 or 5 and an armed person engages him and kills him BUT hits 2 or 3 kids in the exchange! Total body count 8! To me that's a hell of a lot better than a body count of 28!Sorry ,but that's just the way i see it!"

WTF,,your real name isn't Donald Rumsfeld is it... Good grief!

December 22, 2012 at 6:32 p.m.
jesse said...

Well DELBERT I figure 8 dead is better than 28 But that's just my opinion and i don't think anyone is gonna be comin around askin any of us how to deal w/this kinda stuff!

December 22, 2012 at 6:36 p.m.
miraweb said...

No worries, Rebus. Shalom!

It is a real challenge to not lose the real good of an open and civilized society in the face of mayhem.

We've been very troubled managing that balance in all the years since 9/11. The trick is not to do more harm to ourselves than those few idiots who aim to hurt others can do.

I think there has to be a multi-pronged approach. Schools are a very soft target. There is a lot of technology out there that could help on that front without being overly intrusive that many businesses use already.

We need fewer weapons accessible to our angry young men. We also need fewer angry young men.

Britain allows only shooters who keep their weapons locked up at a firing range all the time.

I could see that as an alternate solution for advanced weapons enthusiasts along with training certification and renewals. The general public should have no access to high-volume clips or ammo. None.

The NRA is a hazard to our children. It riles people up for political purposes and exists primarily to create more angry young men and women to be lucrative consumers of weapons. A lot of people would begin making our children safer if they tore up their NRA cards today.

We need to do much better at mental health care. Social supports - such as meals and housing - should be considered to be a type of medical care for the mentally ill. If someone can't pee on their own, we help. If they can't live indoors on their own - we need to help there.

We need more jobs for our angry young men. The fiscal cliff needs to be solved before the economy begins to unwind. Long-term unemployment benefits must not be dropped on Jan 1.

I think the rash of mass killings since 2007 may be equal parts the expiration of the assault weapons ban and a serious recession where many people lost hope for the future.

How's that?

December 22, 2012 at 6:37 p.m.
miraweb said...

From a technology point of view it would not be that hard to insert RFIDs into weapons that would trigger an automatic door lockdown. Hospitals now have fire doors that close when an alarm is triggered.

I like the idea of a space laser, though. :)

December 22, 2012 at 6:44 p.m.
jesse said...

Pretty good,MUCH better in fact! It's gonna take all of that and we would still have random acts of madness!

Maybe in 50 years all that will have taken place but i doubt it!

December 22, 2012 at 6:47 p.m.
miraweb said...

Most of that could be done in 12 months or less. Local and state governments are capable of most of the logistics. It's just money and will.

December 22, 2012 at 6:57 p.m.
delmar said...

Well I figure 0 dead is the best, since we're playing fantasy world.

December 22, 2012 at 6:57 p.m.
miraweb said...

I like that world, delmar.

December 22, 2012 at 7:05 p.m.
alprova said...

dude_abides wrote: "Listen, what's become of Jack_Dennis? I hate his guts, but I don't want anything to happen to him."

Do you remember how he was whining about people changing their identities last week? Well guess what: He changed his identity.

If you peruse the posts over the past three days, it will not be very hard to figure out who he is posting as now.

December 22, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.
miraweb said...

The easiest way to get it out there quickly might be to insert RFIDs into ammo, first.

December 22, 2012 at 7:12 p.m.
miraweb said...

Actually, Australia did an incredible job of changing direction after its own Port Arthur massacre. In addition to an assault weapons ban they bought back 600,000 weapons.

It can be done.

December 22, 2012 at 7:20 p.m.
raygunz said...

Anybody ever wonder why all these mass murderers (with exception of Ft.Hood shooter) are WHITE boys?

December 22, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.
alprova said...

miraweb wrote: "From a technology point of view it would not be that hard to insert RFIDs into weapons that would trigger an automatic door lockdown. Hospitals now have fire doors that close when an alarm is triggered."

The only potential problem I can think of with your proposal is that with present RFID technology, it probably wouldn't too difficult to disable or to remove the RFID chip.

I'm not sure there is a way to embed such a chip into a metal weapon, rendering removal of the chip impossible, and embedding it into the weapon itself during the manufacturing process would be impossible, as heat destroys an RFID chip.

I like the idea very much, and although I am no expert on RFID technology, perhaps it could be worked out.

But many millions of weapons are out there currently that would be RFID free, and available for years to come, that could be bought by those with evil intent?

December 22, 2012 at 7:24 p.m.
alprova said...

miraweb...I had a thought. What about something along the line of metal scanners, capable of scanning 100 yards around every inch of the outside grounds of a school, that would be activated after classes have started, that would detect weapons grade metal and that would lock down the school if detected?

I don't even know if such technology is even available, as I am a frequent visitor to the Hamilton County Courthouse and I am forever having to empty my pockets of everything and have to remove my belt and put it back on.

So I'm not sure that My idea is any better...

December 22, 2012 at 7:32 p.m.
alprova said...

miraweb wrote: "The easiest way to get it out there quickly might be to insert RFIDs into ammo, first."

That might just work, IF an RFID will can be read through a shield of metal.

December 22, 2012 at 7:34 p.m.
miraweb said...

It might be difficult to insert an RFID that a really tech savvy shooter could not disable. It probably isn't that difficult to make one that the vast majority could not disable easily, though.

Especially if you have to do it for every bullet.

Maybe one of those smart MIT kids could figure out one that is impressed right into the outside of the casing.

Million dollar idea, right there.

December 22, 2012 at 7:40 p.m.
miraweb said...

I'm not sure it has to be one or the other. RFID, GPS, metal detectors, magnetic detectors - we have a lot of tools at hand - and a lot of companies that would like to have a piece of installing security technology in every school in America.

Maybe some of those defense savings from the sequester could be redirected.

I think this counts as defense.

Nice touch with the drones, dude.

December 22, 2012 at 8:55 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Easy123 said...You're exactly right. I'd just like to see how the WingNuts rationalize it to themselves because I know they would never use any of the actual reasons you have presented.

They are impatient. They want armageddon and it can't come soon enough. They may just get their wish - and a big disappointment.

December 23, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.
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