published Sunday, December 30th, 2012

Cheers!

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Jesus Christ>>>John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life..."

Does anyone think they can mock YHWH with impunity? Seriously? Presidents, other leaders, are used by Jesus Christ to chastise/discipline His creation. Some have said President Obama is doing a superb job of chastising the United States of America. This is what he is supposed to do, after all, wasn't he sworn in using Abraham Lincoln's Holy Bible? Like God's Prophet, Joel, said:

"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk; the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up".

Here's another one found in the middle of the Holy Bible:

"But thou, O LORD, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision".

Who do You think You are that calls evil choices good when The Supreme Commander of the universe calls it Abomination?

Ken ORR

December 30, 2012 at 12:19 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Yeah, brother, and, re the cartoon, Harry Reid's Senate hasn't passed a real budget in, what, 3 years?

December 30, 2012 at 12:42 a.m.
fairmon said...

Obama has been accused of a lot of things but economic literacy is not one of them. There is not likely to be "a deal" since Obama is not going to agree to anything, he has no problem with all taxes increasing.

December 30, 2012 at 1:06 a.m.
fairmon said...

There is something wrong with allowing the senate majority leader and speaker of the house to refuse to allow a vote on an issue if they don't agree with the potential results. The behavior of both parties in congress is despicable. Neither is addressing the need for decent paying manufacturing jobs.

December 30, 2012 at 3:51 a.m.
EaTn said...

The only thing worse than a do-nothing Congress is a do-everything Congress. They'll probably agree to a patched cliff-deal before tomorrow's deadline--just enough to keep the can in the road for next year. Sadly, these are elected officials who are doing what their constituents expect, for the most part.

December 30, 2012 at 6:30 a.m.
forge said...

Ken Orr/Andrew Lohr/fairmon hey if y'all happen to hit on anything of any actual consequence or anything that has any basis in reality whatsoever you will let us know right? LOL. Budgets don't matter, appropriations bills are what get things done. Obama has plenty of problem with all taxes increasing. You are however correct about Congress's seeming complete ignorance of the fact that the real solution to nearly everything that's being talked about right now is everybody needs a JOB. Maybe they could I dunno, pass one of the 18 or so JOBS BILLS that have been presented to them. Nahhh, that'd NEVER work.

December 30, 2012 at 7:30 a.m.
limric said...

Fairmon, Your statement,"The behavior of both parties in congress is despicable. Neither is addressing the need for decent paying manufacturing jobs." is THE question!

I suggest viewing the accompanying video. It just scratches the surface of the deep seated problems and naked sellout of the middle class by both parties. Now a wholly owned corporate entity.

December 30, 2012 at 7:58 a.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "Harry Reid's Senate hasn't passed a real budget in, what, 3 years?"

And? It's nice to blame Harry Reid, whom I do not defend and who needs to be removed from office for many reasons, but there is a history of a lack of final budgets being passed in Congress and Republicans share in the blame as well.

But let's be clear about something first. Final budgets are not required to be passed in order for Congress to approve spending and they never have been.

The budget process used by Congress today was put in place with the passing of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. Under the Act, both the Senate and the House are supposed to pass resolutions each spring that set limitations for future bills that address spending, taxation and other fiscal policy items.

The budget is nothing more than a plan for allocating revenues and expenditures for the coming fiscal year, and often contains projections for the next four years. There is nothing binding when a budget is passed and signed by any President.

Individual spending measures are passed every year that quite often disregard previous budget resolutions and projections.

Every year, each chamber is supposed to pass a version of their own budget resolutions, and if the two versions differ, then the chambers are supposed to jointly hammer out a compromise and pass a final budget which is then sent to the President's desk.

It does not always happen.

In 1983, the House and Senate stopped passing two budget resolutions each year and began passing one per year. Before 2009, Congress failed to pass a joint, or final budget bill on four occasions.

The Republican Congressional majority failed to approve and to pass a final budget in agreement with the Senate that could be sent to Presidents Clinton and Bush on three occasions -- 1998 for fiscal year 1999, 2004 for fiscal year 2005, and 2006 for fiscal year 2007.

Gridlock in Congress has been a problem for far longer than the past 2 years.

It's time to throw out a bunch of people, who have come to serve their own political interests, rather than those of the people who keep voting them back every four to six years.

But we, as Tennesseans, Georgians, Alabamans, and others, might see the problem and would like to remove the obstructionists from office, but are not allowed to vote them out of office.

Unless and until their own constituents decide to replace them with representatives that will do a more productive job, the gridlock will continue to be a problem.

December 30, 2012 at 8:07 a.m.
alprova said...

One of the name-changers opined: "There is not likely to be "a deal" since Obama is not going to agree to anything, he has no problem with all taxes increasing."

You have nothing to base that statement upon, as every single time the President has spoken about the issue, he has made it extremely clear that he does not want to see taxes go up on any group other than those earning more than $250,000 a year.

Never mind the fact that the proposed rate increase of 3% that he is seeking only applies to income over and above that magical mark and not to income earned below $250,000.

The President spent the first four years in office being bullied by Republicans for anything and everything. President Obama made the mistake of bending and acceding to the whims and wishes of the Republicans in an attempt to appease them, and to what end?

Gridlock.

The majority of the American people stood behind the President on November 6, 2012, despite all. President Obama campaigned on the issue of increasing taxes on the wealthy and he won a second term.

He's not going to bend this time, and I am one American who does not blame him for one second in this fight, and who knows which political party is attempting to hold each and every working American hostage, and who will be responsible if taxes go up on everyone on January 1, 2013. It will not be the President.

Nope...it will be the responsibility of each and every one of the Grand Old Party members who continue to resist taking a first step in reversing what has led this nation to a $16 trillion debt, an average of $1.2 trillion deficits, and an aura that cannot be shaken, that the Republicans are only out to represent and protect the wealthy of this nation.

December 30, 2012 at 8:35 a.m.
alprova said...

Limric, After all the debates on both sides over the past couple of years on this issue of the Bush tax cuts, I am inclined to agree with Craig Harrington.

In order to ever have any chance of reducing the national debt, it's going to take a collective effort on every single American to pony up more in taxes.

But...and this is a big "but"...

We need unemployment rates like those during the Clinton years before taxes are raised on everyone. Much too many are doing their level best just to keep the bills paid, a roof over their heads, and food on the table.

Unless Congress gets its act together, the tax rates for 2013, which will not be an immediate issue until we all file our taxes in 2014, are scheduled to change as follows:

The 10% rate will be collapsed into the 15% rate;

The 25% rate will become 28%;

The 28% rate will become 31%;

The 33% rate will become 36%, and;

The 35% rate will become 39.6%.

More immediate, would be a 2% payroll tax increase. If you earn $50,000 a year, your paycheck would be cut around $83 a month.

No proposal will ever work without spending cuts. I think we all can agree on that.

The Republicans only want to cut spending on entitlements and for programs that assist the poor.

I may be wrong, but I have yet to read of one single Republican proposing cuts to defense spending, a category of spending that costs this nation more than defense spending of the rest of the collective world combined.

Just this year, total spending for the defense of this nation has been $1.4 trillion.

The interest payments on debt incurred for past wars this year were $431.5 billion.

I get very frustrated with the talking heads, who never take people to task for their lack in addressing the spending category that is absolutely the most out of control.

Damn the rest of the world. Let them solve their own problems for awhile. We need to worry about ourselves.

December 30, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
jesse said...

I would take Obama a lot more seriously if he brought EVERYBODY in Afghanistan home starting tomorrow!Tell Pakistan O.K. dudes you are on your own from here on!

THAT ought to save a wad of cash right there!And he could do that on his own dime!

December 30, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
Rebus said...

If BHO brings home troops today or at end of year, no difference will be be seen in Afghanistan. They will go right back to the way they've been for thousands of years. Guaranteed. Get out now.

December 30, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
limric said...

Alprova,

I for one hope that the ‘fiscal cliff’ negotiations fail, and we discard the unaffordable Bush tax cuts in toto. It’s about time we woke up from the fantasy world the Republicans pushed on us and continue to push, and a Democratic party seemingly unable or unwilling to neither address nor offer real solutions.

We have been distracted so often by shiny objects with propaganda (abortion, gay rights, the deficit, the rich are job creators, national security etc. and plain old fear) - fully trumpeted by an incompetent and/or complicit media we have failed to address as a people just how badly we have been ‘souled’ out to horrible ‘free trade agreements’, tax incentives and subsidies. The trade deficit (along with its attendant policies) and outsourcing are THE MOST dangerous threats to this country. And I haven’t even mentioned the ever growing and fully encompassing national surveillance state.

Your last sentence from your 9:34 post, “Damn the rest of the world. Let them solve their own problems for a while. We need to worry about ourselves.” In this I agree wholeheartedly.

December 30, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
limric said...

Rebus, "If BHO brings home troops today or at end of year, no difference will be be seen in Afghanistan. They will go right back to the way they've been for thousands of years. Guaranteed. Get out now."

Great idea. I agree. BUT, due to the above mentioned trade and tax policies they'll have no jobs to return to.

Sad isn't it.

December 30, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.
jesse said...

Limric?

How about school security?

December 30, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
joneses said...

Why does no responsibility lie with obama? Oh, I know. Since he has no leadership ability he cannot be held responsible for anything. The dummycraps have had more control in Washington DC for the last 4 years so apparently they have not the ability to lead or compromise. If these dummycraps come to a compromise it will not an effect on the debt or deficit. But I really think obama wants al taxes to go up for everyone as it would give him more money to flush down the commode and pay off the people who put this fool in the White House.

December 30, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Maybe we could rename Afghanistan! That's the ticket! Let's call it Jack_Dennistan, declare victory and bounce! Then we could put armed volunteers atop all the buildings in the nation to shoot the next wave of planes out of the sky! This sh!t's simple.

December 30, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
Maximus said...

If we had only elected Newt Gingrich President we would not be having this debate on the budget and our country would be respected world wide as the American ass kickers we used to be. Obama and Obama only is the culprit in the current budget impasse and is the reason our country is being pushed around and laughed at all over the world. Hillary Clinton should have been held accountable and fired a long time ago for the Bengazi fiasco along with Attorney General Eric Holder for Fast and Furious. Even the crazy EPA Director just "stepped down" for "curious" behavior on the internet. She alone, has almost regulated our economy into depression destroying American jobs by the hundreds of thousands. A leader is only as good as the people he or she surrounds themselves with and Obama has shown gross incompetence in who he has selected for his cabinet members and team. In fact, right now the rats are leaving the sinking ship. Look for the next four years to be very rocky, very rocky indeed as Obama continues to legislate fairness so that no one, nobody, will ever, ever, get their feelings hurt again. Mediocrity for all accept the ruling class (Washington D.C. Real Estate Market Is Booming) and a few of Barry and Michelle's elitist close friends or contributors. It is going to get worse folks....2013 is gonna suck for many. Of course because I am a tough free market capitalist, I will continue to survive and thrive. Again, Newt would have been the man!

December 30, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Morning, TOES! Have to work the night shift?

December 30, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.
limric said...

Jesse asked me, “Limric? How about school security?”

Sorry dude, I’m not touching that one because as both a libtard and gun nut (I’ve been labeled as such here) I could never have an appropriate response. It’d be like the proverbial, “Honey, does this dress make me look fat?”

There is however a certain appalling irony in appointing the VP the hypocritical job of leading a task force to find solutions to gun violence in America for an administration awash in the blood of children slaughtered every day in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Israel/Palestine by drones and other US weapons enthusiastically produced, sold and given away by a country with the largest military budget the world has ever known. BOOM! ~M.F.

In reference to Joneses 10:43 America hating (but humorous) rant…or whatever it was. I can only say; Because there are no Caribou on the island, how is it we have come into chocolate?

December 30, 2012 at 11:28 a.m.
joneses said...

limric,

You are stupid. I do not hate America I am just not proud to be an American anymore because of what you envious, victim minded, moochers and leaches are doing to what was once the greatest country on the planet where everyone at one time had unlimited success and earning potential. Now the harder we financially successful people work the more people like you want to leach. You are just another pathetic looser.

December 30, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

One political party: The Corporate (Republican) Party, that are in reality Keynesian socialist in nature, have irresponsibly (criminally) brought this nation to the financial brink by spending MORE than the nation has earned for many, many years. Now, the 'balloon payment' for 16 TRILLION dollars is coming due, and all the outraged 'conservatives' who for decades lived high on the largesse provided by debt-fueled Government now look both to blame the Democrats - and to save them! They are a sad, pitiful farce, based on self-serving manipulation, rampant corruption, and self-deception, and it’s coming to a close! It’s about time.

December 30, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
forge said...

Maximus are you serious??! Newt Gingrich President and people "need to answer for Benghazi?" Gingrich is an insane megalomaniac and per the words of Former Secretary of State under George W. Bush, Condoleezza Rice, there is nothing to "answer for" in Benghazi. Some people attacked the embassy, we are going to hunt them down and prosecute them for what they did, the end. What insanity is all this Benghazi furor? What is WRONG with you people?

December 30, 2012 at 12:06 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Joneses, You sound more and more like a deluded skin head every time you comment. You are THE MOST hate filed person to ever post here.

December 30, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.
dude_abides said...

joneses... you ain't seen nothing yet. We're working on a plan to hack your Smart Meter. Hopefully, we can recoup some of your wasted energy and set up free phone charging stations on street corners in low income areas. 64 degrees should be sufficient for your thermostat setting, since successful people can afford better coats.

December 30, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.
jesse said...

Jonses gonna have to lie himself up some more ASSETS,Maximus is stealin his thunder and makin him look kinda puny!

December 30, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

Three card monty.... Free trade with 3rd world labor....Cut taxes on dividends....print more money to buy toxic bonds.... Point to DOW Jones and say the economy is doing better, just look at your 401k. Shareholders get richer CEO's get bonuses and you and I are on the outside looking in. (wish I could trade on carried interest)Now don't forget to blame the people who lost thier job to the global economy ( moochers, takers). All this with a backdrop of tax rates for the people making above 250K, and only 3% of the income over 250K. Anyone making that much could either hire someone to lower the tax "burden" or invest what they didn't want taxed in an IRA or a business expense or you get the idea.Such a disconnect. The Republicans have starved the beast now they want to dismantle the safety net but not touch defense? We have bases all over Europe that could be closed and all the military families would be spending thier paychecks here in the U.S.A. (economically stimulating) but we are argueing over what? About $8500 that someone making 500k can't seem to write off. Think about that next time you get upset over abortion, gay marrage, stem cell research or any other red herring thrown out by either party. This is a manufactured crisis. It serves both parties to install fear in the voting public. The amount of automatic spending cuts from the fisical cliff is less than the fed is printing each month to buy back bonds. But it is better to not let a good crisis go to waste and to cut back on our butter at home than to stop building bombs.

December 30, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

Jon ross...Fisical cliff compromise was supposed to be 50 bil entitlement 50 bil defense or 100 bil spending reduction over 10 yrs with matching revenue increases. So you are correct when you say where are the safety net reductions.... red herring for the left...... because there are no serious spending reductions being offered by either party.

December 30, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Where is the money for the other 357 days per year of deficit spending coming from ???

Maybe TOES/maximus could sell McKee Baking and donate the funds.

December 30, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

And again jonross..... Why cant the rich use the taxcode to write off the extra income to avoid the extra tax? Someone making that much should be able to hire an accountant to shelter the money.... maybe a onetime gift to a spouse will get them through....could this be a red herring to help fundamentally change America?

December 30, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon said: "The behavior of both parties in congress is despicable."

Sounds like you’re opting to ignore the blatantly obstructive antics of the GOP including the huge number of GOP led filibusters that have occurred in the past six years. I believe the number of filibusters is now up to 386. Clearly, the GOP’s behavior is incredibly destructive and makes a mockery of democracy, where majority rule is suppose to control. Indeed, with obstructive “representatives” like these who needs terrorists.

December 30, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Textbook fairmon3339... He will harp, seemingly, on both parties, but when the cudgel comes out it is destined only for heads that lean to the left. Fairmon has stated that he's only using harp3339's slot (for some reason!) temporarily, and that harp3339 may be back soon! This is like watching fake wrestling!

December 30, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

Jonross... for the same reason they didnt do anything about the tax rates between 2008-2010 when they had complete control of the gov. They would have noone to blame it on!

December 30, 2012 at 2:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"The filibuster has been a centuries-old constitutional traditional driving compromise rather than one-party rule."

This is Shapiro writing on Breitbart.com So don't play that disingenuous crap here. All of that BS can be thrown in both directions, and is therefore useless gibberish.

December 30, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

“If a Senator filibusters then he or she should stand in front of the American people and explain why he or she wants to obstruct the flow of America's business.

Stand on the Senate floor and talk to We the People. Explain the reasons why the business of America should not take place.

Take as much time as is necessary. Speak as slowly as you wish but SPEAK to We the People.”

December 30, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
Maximus said...

4 flag draped caskets, an American Ambassader killed, all occurred on 9-11.....thats why Benghazi is important. Forge you are a vagina! Forge please excuse my faux paus if you are a girl.

December 30, 2012 at 3:30 p.m.
dude_abides said...

maximus, the son of an ugly prostitute, never saw flag draped caskets during the Bush administration because they were hidden. TOES, please excuse my faux pas if your mother isn't ugly.

December 30, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.
Rebus said...

lots of bitter, bitter, babies on here.

December 30, 2012 at 3:47 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"4 flag draped caskets, an American Ambassader killed, all occurred on 9-11.....thats why Benghazi is important." - Maximus

And approximately THREE THOUSAND Americans were killed on the original 9/11, under Bush's watch, on our own turf!

It is common knowledge that Bush had several warnings from intel of an impending attack but he chose to ignore them. Had he taken them seriously, he might have found out the nature of the attacks and prevented them. Not only that, but once the planes had been reported as hijacked, they were in the air plenty long enough that NORAD, the most advanced national air defense system in the world, could have easily taken them down before they reached their targets of destruction. But it just so happened that on the one day when we needed our defense pilots the most, they were "distracted" by war games. What a joke.

You are whining about the deaths of 4 Americans (which is regrettable, yes) in an already hostile, violence-prone part of the world, and yet you just give Bush a pass on something that really could have been prevented? If you want to hold Obama accountable for Benghazi, fine. But let's hear at least a little bit of your righteous indignation for Bush and his culpability in 3000 deaths on 9/11.

And don't even get me started on how he LIED to get us into the war with Iraq. Over 5000 American soldiers dead and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children dead...all because of Bush's despicable lie. And if you don't believe that he lied outright, he was irresponsible, negligent, and incompetent, to say the least.

You are an effin' hypocrite. But then, I already knew that.

December 30, 2012 at 4 p.m.
Maximus said...

And another thing...."Gingrich is insane". Typical juvenile Saul Elinsky Obama The Thug character assassination. Let's see, hmmm, Gov. Sarah Palin, Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann, very successful CEO's Herman Cain and Mitt Romney, SenatorRick Santorum ....all insane too I guess. Easy for you weak libs to destroy people when you run the media and have silly pawns like Clay the Doodler. You Democrats are sooo predictable even a cave man can figure out your motivation....for most of your life, especially in your youth, you have been losers. Now that you are of voting age, are a member of a "special interest group " or have a little education it's time for pay back and how do you get your revenge....so-called social justice "fairness" created via the thug Obama way....the redistribution of other peoples money. Mediocrity and fairness for all except the ruling class (Obama, Harry Reid, Pelosi, and all the other blue state union thug politicians and dope smoking flower children out west) and of course Barry's crony business associates in the private sector...GE CEO Jeff Immelt, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, most all of silicon valley, and hollyweird. Barry and his friends will be the true upper class because they know what's best for all the "little people". Of course since I just look at government as just another customer and make my own luck, 2013 will be stellar for me....as usual. Gotta go, heading to my private range to shoot my AR15 that my wife gave me for Christmas. Only my best to one and all $$$$!! Forge, Obama does not care a poop about you....sucker....

December 30, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
timbo said...

alprova .....I am sick and tired of hearing how President Piss ant won this huge mandate. 3 million votes does not a mandate make. He won by identifying his voters (welfare queens and minorities ). Along with a weak non-conservative candidate.

The House was won by Republicans with a cumulative margin a hell of a lot more than 3 million. The House does have a mandate to say no to Obama .

$250,000 is not rich especially when it is a small business. Most of that $250,000 will be used for cash flow due to an inability to get bank financing. Obama's banking regulator have tied the banks hands. If they have to come up with more money their only alternative will be to lay off workers.

The House has the power of the purse thank God. No new taxes without spending cuts. Just say no to you liberal idiots.

December 30, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.
Maximus said...

Rickaroo get back on your meds and take a walk. You spend way, way, too much time on the internet. Oh yea, stay away from guns also we don't want you to go all Adam Lanza on us..Bush won the Iraq war. Countless Iraqi women and children were saved. RicKaroo I know that you are so soft you have to buy into the Obama victimization line. Why don't you grow a pair. With a name like Rickaroo I guess you can't. Really, how can a real man support Obama? The Iraq war was money well spent. As Americans, after 9/11 we had to pick a target and go destroy it. W and our military did a super job invading, defeating and up and occupying the so-called cradle of the Islamic world, Iraq while at the same time capturing Sadam Hussein and destroying his murderous dictatorship Barry is withdrawing because he has destroyed Alkida or however you spell dirt bags. Yea right Barry you have destroyed all terrorist threats and its time to withdraw. What a bogus punk liar Obumer is. The next four years will be very, very scary under Obama The Welfare Pimp.

December 30, 2012 at 4:14 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said... Fairmon said: "The behavior of both parties in congress is despicable."

Sounds like you’re opting to ignore the blatantly obstructive antics of the GOP.

You seem to be assuming the position your party with no doubt is taking is the right action for the country long term. The fact is the democrats have the option of supporting a dissenting position just as much as the republicans.

Could it be congress is doing exactly what they are supposed to do? They appear to be representing a constituent majority. So as you say the majority rules in this fine republic of ours. Could it be the diversity of those putting them in office is reflected in their behavior.Your benevolent use of other peoples money is good reason for your blind loyalty support of taxing anyone making more than you do and spending recklessly through the foreseeable future.

December 30, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.
Maximus said...

dude your ho mama suck cock in hell....yeeeea Obama Thug Buddy JayZ in da howse................really i gotta go

December 30, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.
limric said...

Maximus, Forge is right when she said. “Maximus are you serious??” And to quote some who actually is smart, Paul Krugman: * “Newt Gingrich Is A Stupid Man’s Idea Of What A Smart Person Sounds Like”.

Your Benghazi accusations are a vacuous (see* above) and transparent attempt for Obama’s blood at all costs. It’s nothing more than a snipe hunt. I am not an Obama supporter by any means.

In 1983 a bomber killed 241 in an attack on the U.S. Marine barracks near the Beirut airport. How many flag draped caskets were flown home hmm? (re. definition of vacuous) – This was during the era of the Reagan deity? Whose heads rolled? What’s that I hear…”Cut and Run?”

Plleeeze.

December 30, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Obama has already agreed to raise the income level to $400,000 before the tax increase kicks in. He has also agreed to put Social Security on the table for spending cuts. He said during his campaign that he would not touch Social Security - and he shouldn't - but he is showing that he's willing to compromise, at least. Name one thing the Republicans have compromised on. I can name it for you: NOTHING. They are not interested in meeting Obama halfway. He's already shown that he's willing to compromise. The Repubs, on the other hand, are being pig-headed about not raising taxes, even the slightest bit; and they will not even think about spending cuts where we waste more money than anywhere else - our bloated military budget and corporate welfare.

The modest increase that Obama is talking about would not hurt the rich one smidgeon. They would still eat out at their 5-star restaurants, drive their Mercedes' and Beamers, send their kids to their private schools, vacation, have plenty of money to invest, entertain their friends at their lavish parties, etc., while even a modest cut in Social Security would mean many older people, who are already living on the margins, would have to tighten their belts even more.

The only gridlock that exists is in the minds of the Republicans. The GOP is nothing but one gridlocked, incompetent, self-serving party of useless old white men who cling desperately to their worn-out ideology and don't give a rat's ass about what's best for the country.

December 30, 2012 at 4:25 p.m.
timbo said...

Limerick.....sounds like Paul Krugman was describing himself. Krugman is habitually wrong.

December 30, 2012 at 4:25 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

JonRoss says: "mountainlaurel watches way too much CNN. All the Dems have to do is change the rules to eliminate filibusters. It would only take 51 votes, and the dems have 55 seats. So why haven't they done it ?"

Since I rarely watch CNN you’ll need to come up with something else here, JonRoss. . . As for filibuster reform, I think we need the “talking” kind of filibuster. This would force anyone who wanted to block legislation to make his/her position public. They would be forced to debate and explain their objection. The way it is now these representatives only have to raise their hand to object, which I believe is a mindless and cowardly way to conduct business.

December 30, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Max, if you think that there is anything remotely successful that has come out of our invasion of Iraq, you are too stupid to even comprehend. Your screen name is well chosen. It represents you well: you are truly stupid to the max.

December 30, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "alprova .....I am sick and tired of hearing how President Piss ant won this huge mandate."

And what you are sick of hearing matters...why?

"3 million votes does not a mandate make. He won by identifying his voters (welfare queens and minorities ). Along with a weak non-conservative candidate."

Of course, you are free to justify this last election any way that makes you warm and fuzzy, but what you cannot explain away are people like myself, who by normal definition, should be Republican cheerleaders too.

I am neither minority nor a welfare queen. I am the owner of two small but thriving businesses and have been self-supported my entire adult life.

I was joined by others in supporting the President with our votes.

I truly do hope that the Republicans make an attempt to put up a very conservative candidate in 2016. Then you will know once and for all just what a losing proposition that will be.

"The House was won by Republicans with a cumulative margin a hell of a lot more than 3 million. The House does have a mandate to say no to Obama ."

And they do so at their own peril in 2014.

"$250,000 is not rich especially when it is a small business."

And a tax rate increase of 3% on income over $250,000 is nowhere near devastating to anyone in that income class either.

"Most of that $250,000 will be used for cash flow due to an inability to get bank financing."

Gee...I am inundated with offers to lend me capital every single day of the week from banks, which I am happy to state that I do not need or want. I get phone calls, mailings, am greeted by bankers whenever I pop in to make deposits, etc.

If a business owner is having trouble obtaining loans, it is due to their credit history or some other reason. Banks are begging people to borrow money.

But then I have never done business with banks that have roots outside of this local area. In fact, the bank I do the most business with, has been my bank of choice for 38 years now.

"Obama's banking regulator have tied the banks hands. If they have to come up with more money their only alternative will be to lay off workers."

That's hogwash and you know it, that is if you are in business as you have claimed.

"The House has the power of the purse thank God. No new taxes without spending cuts. Just say no to you liberal idiots."

I'm all for spending cuts. But there are many spending cuts that can be made before they start cutting benefits to the poor and the retired, who depend on those awful things called "entitlements."

Let the nation go off the cliff. It will not be the Democrats who will be blamed by most Americans.

Those purse strings will become bungee ropes in two years.

December 30, 2012 at 4:35 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Sometimes I get nauseated at the level of impudence and stupidity from you gun-loving, Bible thumping, flag-waving, Obama-hating, Ayn-Rand-worshiping, trickle-down-delusional, hate-spewing wingnuts. Those of you who spend hours on this site, I honestly don't know how you do it. I gotta take a break from here and spend some time with decent and more rational folks who don't talk such trash and nonsense. Bye.

December 30, 2012 at 4:48 p.m.
Maximus said...

limric where do I start with someone that thinks hobbit Paul Krugman is smart. Well...hmm...if it's not Bush's fault it's Reagan's fault....sooo simple minded it reminds me of a limric. Let's see...Gingrich former U.S. Congressman from GA, former Speaker of the House, has taught at the United States War College, and is well known as a scholar of U.S.History and is a best selling author. Limric, what does your resume look like? Rickaroo, mark my word, history will treat George W. bush and his Iraq war victory way, way better than Obama the Welfare Pimp's transformation of the once powerful and properous United States into a weak socialist UK type country that can't even defend itself. In fact that would be a wet dream for Obamer...The United States, member of the LOSER Eurotrash Union. Limric+Rickaroo a perfect couple for an Obama same sex wedding at the White House. Soooooo fabulous!

December 30, 2012 at 4:53 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon said: “Could it be congress is doing exactly what they are supposed to do? They appear to be representing a constituent majority. So as you say the majority rules in this fine republic of ours.”

I don’t think the Republicans are representing any constituent majority when it comes to the budget. It’s obviously not true when it comes to issues like Social Security. I’ve yet to see any poll in any section of the U.S. where a majority of the people are saying they want to cut Social Security. Yet, the Republicans in power continue to push cutting Social Security.

December 30, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.
degage said...

rickaroo, all the while you are calling the right hate spewing wingnuts you are doing just that, spewing your brand of hate. Pot calling the kettle black.

December 30, 2012 at 5:16 p.m.
limric said...

Au contraire Maximus Padus & little Timbo,

Paul Krugman has been vindicated time and time again on subjects such as the Stimulus, inflation, Republican austerity nonsense and more by events or evidence. In fact, a study gauged the predictive ability of many commentators, economists as well as some politicians and guess what, it revealed that Krugman has been the most accurate in his predictions.

Yea Gingrich is smart. The same way as Dick Cheney, Pol Pot or Bin Laden, Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, Carlo Gambino or any number of chickenhawk punks.

Just because he doesn’t adhere to your narrative doesn’t allow you to make up stuff as you go. You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts. : Daniel Patrick Moynihan - OR - As Clay Bennett and Steven Colbert point out: “Reality has a well-known liberal bias.”

Sorry ladies, that’s just the way it is.

December 30, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey degage, Roo also thinks HIS farts smell like Lilacs!!

He cracked me up w/his "more rational people who don't talk trash and nonsense" spiel!

Best part is when he says "BYE"!

December 30, 2012 at 6:08 p.m.
dude_abides said...

There is a way for you yokels to have your way on the national political scene... it's called voting. You will have the chance... oh, wait, that didn't work out too well for you. Wait, there's always secession... no, that proved to be nothing more than an exercise in pouting futility. I guess it's back to filling up the closet with guns and canned food.

December 30, 2012 at 6:09 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Limric,Moynihan was prob. drunk and Clay stoned when they said that!

December 30, 2012 at 6:16 p.m.
limric said...

That may be Jesse. And that's fine with me.

Today, “In a nation run by swine, all pigs are upward-mobile and the rest of us are 'effed' until we can put our acts together: not necessarily to win, but mainly to keep from losing completely.”

That being said, “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.”

:Hunter S. Thompson

December 30, 2012 at 6:43 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

Why did you just pick that part of Rickaroo's post to wax indignant about? Are you conceding that Rickaroo was accurate in the other 6 characterizations?

It would seem that you're proving Rickaroo's point.

December 30, 2012 at 6:47 p.m.
fairmon said...

laurel said...

don’t think the Republicans are representing any constituent majority when it comes to the budget.

Do you think members of congress are ignoring constituent input when they insist on more rational spending and no new taxes?

December 30, 2012 at 7:39 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Maximus said... dude your ho mama suck **** in hell....yeeeea Obama Thug Buddy JayZ in da howse................really i gotta go

Once again, you prove that you can't stand it that an African American is in the White House! He's waaay more powerful than anybody you will ever even meet in your entire squalid little existence. LOL You're just an inconsequential grunt and you cannot bear it! Same old TOES. Hey, next time you're in your "media room" you should probably employ some Sani-Flush.

December 30, 2012 at 7:43 p.m.
Easy123 said...

fairmon,

"Do you think members of congress are ignoring constituent input when they insist on more rational spending and no new taxes?"

That isn't what members of Congress are insisting.

December 30, 2012 at 8:03 p.m.
alprova said...

One of the name-changers wrote: "Do you think members of congress are ignoring constituent input when they insist on more rational spending and no new taxes?"

Actually, they are ignoring the opposite opinion.

Going back to October, just before the Presidential election, 53% of self-identified Republicans backed an increase in taxes on households making more than $250,000.

More than two-thirds of all Americans backed higher taxes on the rich and even larger numbers think Medicare and Social Security benefits should be left alone.

More than 8 out of 10 Americans say the middle class will have to make financial sacrifices to cut the deficit, even as the public strongly opposes higher taxes on middle-income families.

The above was discovered in a Bloomberg-Washington Post national poll conducted this past October.

A more recent poll by the American Express Publishing and The Harrison Group found that 67 percent of the top one percent of American earners support higher income taxes on themselves.

Their support has grown 5% since the election. This summer, a similar poll showed that 62% of them supported higher taxes, again...on themselves.

"There is an absolute willingness for the vast majority of the One Percent to take a tax increase," said Jim Taylor, Vice Chairman Harrison Group. "What the Republicans in Congress think is not necessarily what their constituents think."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100335218/Majority_of_Wealthy_Support_Taxing_Themselves_Poll

Super-Rich to Congress: Tax Us When We're Dead

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100302043

December 30, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
rick1 said...

Krugman is a joke and when he was challenged with serious rebuttals on his blog he reduced the character limit.

Here is what Robert Barro, the distinguished Harvard economist, said about Krugman. "Just says whatever is convenient for his political argument. He doesn't behave like an economist."

The New York Times ombudsman Daniel Okrent observed that Paul Krugman has "the disturbing habit of shaping, slicing and selectively citing numbers in a fashion that pleases his acolytes but leaves him open to substantive assaults."

James Taranto at the Wall Street Journal, after listing the falsities in Krugman's latest piece on climate last week, hazarded that perhaps "Krugman makes himself ridiculous merely to make our job easy."

Read the link to learn more about Krugman.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/paul_krugman_gives_up_1.html

December 30, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.
GameOn said...

The problem is Congress has no skin in the game. They will all be fine. They are making $175k, tons of benefits, plus insider trading bonuses, and they could care less about the rest of us. All current members should be banned from government for life. I seriously doubt 5 people in DC, in either party, care about the people that elected them.

December 30, 2012 at 9:09 p.m.
alprova said...

Those of you railing against tax increases on anyone are in the minority, and that has been the case for quite sometime.

Those who are in that upper 1% know that taxes are going to have to go up. They know that their lifestyles are not going to change as a result of paying 3% more in income taxes over the $250,000 limit.

And since I have every reason to believe that no one who spends time in this forum earns more than $250,000 per year, I really fail to see why it is that anyone believes that they will be affected in the least by a 3% tax increase on income over and above $250,000.

Let's say that you are a married man with two kids, 54 years old, who earns $500,000 a year as the sole income earner. This year, you earned $50,000 in dividends and capital gains, you dumped $22,500 into a 401(k), which is allowed by the IRS since you are over the age of 50.

You are rather healthy, so you have to defer to the standard deductions and exemptions of $23,300, which leaves your AGI at $527,500 and your taxable income at $504,200.

Your regular income tax would tally $128,110 plus your capital gains tax of $7,500. Total tax -- $135,610.

After taxes, you were able to spend, bank, and/or save $436,890 of what you earned over the year.

The President's proposal is to raise the tax on capital gains by 5%, to tax dividends as ordinary income, and raise the maximum income tax rate by 3% on income over $250,000.

A 3% rate increase is going to cost you $7,500 more right off the top for the amount over $250,000. Let's say that your $50,000 in capital gains was split equally, half gains and half dividends.

Your long-term capital gains tax would increase $1,250, and the taxes on your dividends would rise $5,750, if the President's proposal goes into effect. Add it all up and it comes to an additional $14,500 in taxes, or a total of $150,110.

You then get to spend, bank, or save $422,390.

The above is a simple, uncomplicated scenario. Of course, most people will have other deductions to claim, but the above is a worst case scenario.

I don't think for one second that anyone who earns the above, or more, will sweat a little more in taxes. It used to be in this nation, earnings over $100,000 were assessed up to 95% in taxes, taxes on capital gains were taxed at ordinary income tax rates prior to 1997, so what the President is proposing is rather tame compared to what the wealthy have had to pay, historically.

December 30, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.
alprova said...

"Our current budget for Fema is in the neighborhood of 14 billion our current defense budget is around 615 billion..."

Total defense spending this year has totaled $1.4 trillion. Mind you, this figure includes all defense spending categories, such as spending for DOD, FBI - counter-terrorism, International affairs, Energy Department - defense-related, Veterans Affairs, Homeland Security, NASA - satellites, Veterans pensions, other mandatory defense related spending, and interest on past wars.

It all adds up and there is lots of room for cuts to be made before we start cutting entitlements, but try to find a Republican willing to talk about cutting defense spending.

December 30, 2012 at 9:24 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon said: “Do you think members of congress are ignoring constituent input when they insist on more rational spending and no new taxes?

Since many of our representatives are the same individuals who voted to cut taxes and to invade Iraq, I find you’re reference to the alleged “rationality” of these representatives when it comes to budget matters rather humorous. . . And when you consider their current proposals to continue to increase military spending while maintaining the Bush era tax cuts it becomes obvious to us that they haven’t grown any wiser through the years.

December 30, 2012 at 9:25 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Like all of he drones we are spending money on so Obama can cointinue his increase of drone attacks and kill more innocent children."

With all due respect, where is your outrage over the deaths of 100,000 plus innocent people, who were killed in Iraq?

Prior to 2009, an estimated 34,505 civilians were killed in Afghanistan.

Out of sight and out of mind. That's the conservative definition and extent of their pro-life activism.

I'm not suggesting that these civilians were killed on purpose, but how many would be alive today if our forces had never entered either one of those countries?

Osama bin laden was taken out with one helicopter filled with what...a dozen or so men?

Saddam Hussein could have been picked off by a sniper.

We have gained no allies as a result of these latest two wars and the total destruction of both countries. A great many people over there hate the United States for what they have done and we have only to fear more retribution as a result of it too.

But the war profiteers and those who have worked on their behalf in this nation have had a fine run over the past decade and they are happy. I hope it will all be worth it when they all stand in front of God.

Understand that I would have no problem if we amassed enough military personnel to stand within arms reach of each other to protect our borders from invasion by others, but this insane police action around the world has got to come to a screeching halt.

Anyone who believes that President Obama approves or orders every drone attack is quite the moron.

The President has set a timeline to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan, and it will come to pass, on time.

December 30, 2012 at 9:49 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus, the pretentious one, wrote: "Let's see...Gingrich former U.S. Congressman from GA, former Speaker of the House, has taught at the United States War College, and is well known as a scholar of U.S.History and is a best selling author."

Newt Gingrich is a disgraced former Speaker of the House, known best for his picking a fight in front of his kids in a hospital room while his wife was fighting cancer.

The man will never be anything more than the above for the rest of his pitiful life. Let's see how long he hangs on to his latest trophy wife. He has a habit of dumping them when they reach their mid-forties.

December 30, 2012 at 10:04 p.m.
Maximus said...

alprova and limric...are you both so dense that you cannot see how New York Times columist and sometimes TV commentator Paul Krugman is in the can for Obama? Of course since you are both anti-American loser welfare loving can't make it on your own socialists yourselves you are big fans of the Nobel Prize Winning communist hobbit. Of course Limric or is it Limp Prick, ha,ha, with druggie suicide boy Hunter S. Thompson as your role model how can you be nothing more than an inconsequential peon. And by the way with Obama its not about his color at all. I just use his big supporter JayZ to demonstrate what comical times we live in. If JayZ would have been on stage campaigning for Mitt Romney, little idiot Paul Krugman would have been all over it! No its not about Obama's color its about his ideology. As that great Republican Civil Rights leader Martin Luther King once said..."Judge a man by the content of his character not by the color of his skin." Obama's character is driven by that huge black liberation anti-colonialist chip on his shoulder and pay back must be achieved through his wonderful transformation income redistribution. Come on guys, i've got your number and you know it! And finally, I have met both Bush 41 and 43 both fine men. Yes, the Republicans had a father and son as U.S. President. The Bush's really, really kicked the Kennedy's ass. If a Kennedy wasn't drunk driving a car off a bridge killing a poor woman, another ones ex wife was hanging herself in a barn. Wow, you Democrats are really dysfunctional. As for Newt, Clinton would have been nothing without Newt's approval. Unlike Obama's thuggish ways, Bill Clinton was smart enough to work with Newt and they actually got a good many things done for the country. With Obama the Welfare Pimp its all about making the evil achievers pay....as his pastor would say....America's chickens have come home to roost. Funny really. Alprova you are right, as a 1%er myself I don't give a rats ass about paying an extra 3% in taxes but I will fight it because I don't like how Barry will spend it. I know you so hope Obama will make everything fair for you and Limric so that you will never, ever, ever will have to be bullied or get your feelings hurt again because after all for you loser Democrats its all about feelings and of course network TV sitcoms and that brilliant fair and balance Paul Kruger.

December 30, 2012 at 10:52 p.m.
Rebus said...

^^^ sounds about right

December 30, 2012 at 10:55 p.m.
dude_abides said...

^^^looks like Fat_Jack_Dennis can't find his TV clicker. Look under your ample breasts, Jack_. Might even find a leftover snack!

December 30, 2012 at 11:03 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, where is your outrage when Obama said in 2007 that the U.S. has “gotta get the job done” in Afghanistan which “requires us to have enough troops that we’re not just air raiding villages and killing civilians which is causing enormous problems there. Yet Obama is conducting more drone strikes and killing more innocent children.

Where is your outarge in regards to the below listed link? http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/opinion-barack-obama-needs-to-explain-drone-strikes-1.4376163

Where is you outrage with all of the gun violence that happens in the inner city? We only hear from you liberals when the gun violence occurs outside of the inner city.

It is all out of sight out of mind with you liberals when the victims are not white.

December 30, 2012 at 11:04 p.m.
dude_abides said...

rick1 said... "It is all out of sight out of mind with you liberals when the victims are not white."

Are you trying to outdo maximumTOES in some sort of ridiculous statement contest? Don't you wish Hispanics and African Americans were gullible enough to believe your BS?

December 30, 2012 at 11:30 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, where is your outrage when Obama said in 2007 that the U.S. has “gotta get the job done” in Afghanistan which “requires us to have enough troops that we’re not just air raiding villages and killing civilians which is causing enormous problems there."

I have no outrage, because he was right. That's simple enough, isn't it?

"Yet Obama is conducting more drone strikes and killing more innocent children."

As I pointed out in my last post to you, if you believe that the President is personally condoning, ordering or approving drone missions like the one that killed the American boy in Yemen, then you are a moron.

"Where is you outrage with all of the gun violence that happens in the inner city?"

What am I supposed to do about it? Run around and flap my arms and wail to the Heavens above?

"We only hear from you liberals when the gun violence occurs outside of the inner city."

I've certainly missed every opportunity to read about the issue being a part of the conservative agenda over the last 50 years.

"It is all out of sight out of mind with you liberals when the victims are not white."

You really need to get down off the cross. Nobody has any intention of nailing you to it, thus making you the next Messiah...

December 30, 2012 at 11:46 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus, the pretentious one wrote: "alprova and limric...are you both so dense that you cannot see how New York Times columist and sometimes TV commentator Paul Krugman is in the can for Obama?"

I couldn't care less.

"Of course since you are both anti-American loser welfare loving can't make it on your own socialists yourselves you are big fans of the Nobel Prize Winning communist hobbit."

Do you really think I am bothered in the least by what you think, after your exposure as a complete fraud and a pathetic pathological liar in this very forum, inside the span of a month?

"Come on guys, i've got your number and you know it!"

The only thing you've "got" is a very vivid imagination.

"And finally, I have met both Bush 41 and 43 both fine men."

Sure you have.

"As for Newt, Clinton would have been nothing without Newt's approval. Unlike Obama's thuggish ways, Bill Clinton was smart enough to work with Newt and they actually got a good many things done for the country."

My how people just love to rewrite history. I seem to recall Newt being banned to the back of Air Force One and Clinton shutting down the Gov't twice, before Newt decided to be a good lap dog.

"Alprova you are right, as a 1%er myself I don't give a rats ass about paying an extra 3% in taxes but I will fight it because I don't like how Barry will spend it."

You really need to drop the pretentious act. I seriously doubt that there is a participant of this forum who believes for one second that you even have a job at this point.

Oh...there might be one. Jack Dennis A.K.A. Rebus has been hopping up and down and panting like a little puppy every time you post.

You two are like peas and carrots.

December 31, 2012 at 12:02 a.m.
Easy123 said...

^^^^^ Sounds exactly right.

December 31, 2012 at 12:24 a.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said....

And when you consider their current proposals to continue to increase military spending while maintaining the Bush era tax cuts it becomes obvious to us that they haven’t grown any wiser through the years.

The point is they are representing the view of the majority that elected them whether you consider it wise or not. What would be their justification for ignoring the opinion of the majority of those electing them? Your evaluation of their intelligence must be based on your tax those making more than you more, then tax them some more, borrow all you can and spend, spend spend so we all live the good life and quit working while young.

Do you have a proposal for creating more good paying other than government jobs even if they are non additive service jobs?

December 31, 2012 at 1:55 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova posted...

Going back to October, just before the Presidential election, 53% of self-identified Republicans backed an increase in taxes on households making more than $250,000.

re..A national poll may not reflect the districts of all those opposing.

More than two-thirds of all Americans backed higher taxes on the rich and even larger numbers think Medicare and Social Security benefits should be left alone.

re..No surprises there, still may not be indicative of some no new taxes districts that elected their representatives based on that campaign promise. The welfare programs (medicare/medicaid) could be the expected response. This is another case where borrowed money is misleading when people are not paying for what they get. It is like using a credit card and paying interest only without ever making a payment on the principle.

More than 8 out of 10 Americans say the middle class will have to make financial sacrifices to cut the deficit, even as the public strongly opposes higher taxes on middle-income families.

re..Is this saying I know I have to but I don't want to? I am among the 80% and willing to pay more now if spending is held to the current levels with military spending included.

December 31, 2012 at 6:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

harp3339 is back...will try to change name back or just change pass word. Either way the post including those this morning will be only mine. I still do not think Obama knows his butt from straight up about economics. That is a subject where my friend and I had disagreements.

Hilary Clinton has worked as hard or harder than anyone ever in the secretary of state position. She has not been given the credit and gratitude she deserves, in fact the opposite of it. I believe she is seriously ill and wish for her a full and speedy recovery plus a pleasant break from politics. Yes, I wish she had been the candidate and was now president.

December 31, 2012 at 7:11 a.m.
patriot1 said...

fairmon.....Hillary Clinton has a brain tumor....I read that yesterday while standing in line at the grocery store.

December 31, 2012 at 7:59 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

CHEERS! Indeed!

Jesus Christ>>>John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life..."

Jesus Christ proclaimed that He Is Creator God of The Universe (All existence)! He proclaimed that since He Is God, then, He Is the only Way to come to God, or, to know God.

The Chattanooga Times Free Press readers are 'here & Now' individuals who know the value of being currently informed about the events of their world! This is intelligence/wisdom.

"New Year's Eve". I wish all a Happy and Prosperous New Year in The Lord Jesus Christ. In 2012 43 Million humans had to leave their homes due to conflict and violence. There were 73 Million Forced Migrants (46% Children, 49% Women). Natural and Technological Disasters displaced 15 Million humans in 2012. And on, and on. 2011 was the worst year for natural disasters and now 2012 may top that. Suffering Humanity.

Now, please 'hear' this. Do we want Jesus Christ to be our Saviour, or, our Judge only, who meets out deserved chastisement/discipline? Multiplied times we see one tiny Christian village blessed when there is poverty, warfare, and, disasters all around them. Chattanooga has been comparatively blessed due to a host of praying Christians (And a Newspaper that is not afraid to post regular Bible Scripture). Please know that the Holy Bible says, "The fool has said in his heart that there is no God." Those who know virtually nothing, except that they don't want to live by Christian morality, would have us go the way of the old Soviet Union! So, for my New Year's Eve proclamation, I give to many a resounding 'Thank You' for Your Christian prayers and witness. Our Lord God and Saviour, Jesus Christ is allowing Chattanooga, Tennessee to prosper because of You.

You are few in number, but, Christ Jesus said, "Straight is the gate, and, narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and, few there be which find it." Finally we are beginning to plainly see the 'Sheep' separated from the 'Goats'. And, by this, we are understanding more completely what Jesus said, "...few there be which find it."

Ken ORR

December 31, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
fairmon said...

patriot1 said...

fairmon.....Hillary Clinton has a brain tumor....I read that yesterday while standing in line at the grocery store.

I hope that was one of those tabloids that don't hesitate to print sensational lies. Nothing on the news yet and there is the right to privacy regarding medical issues.

December 31, 2012 at 9:10 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon said: “The point is they are representing the view of the majority that elected them whether you consider it wise or not. What would be their justification for ignoring the opinion of the majority of those electing them?

How so? Again, I’ve yet to see any poll in any section of the U.S. showing that a majority favor cutting Social Security, but the Republicans have continued to push cutting the Social Security benefits of our Nation’s seniors. The rationale is simply an ideology. The Republicans appear to be willing to cut almost anything to maintain tax breaks for their more wealthy constituents.

Fairmon said: “Your evaluation of their intelligence must be based on your tax those making more than you more, then tax them some more, borrow all you can and spend, spend spend so we all live the good life and quit working while young.”

Since it is the Republican representatives who have established a history of cutting taxes and then borrowing money to fund big and costly things like military invasions of other countries, I think your conclusion here is incredibly faulty. Indeed, if I had been a representative, I would have never voted to support such irresponsible actions.

Fairmon said: “Do you have a proposal for creating more good paying other than government jobs even if they are non additive service jobs?”

If you’re asking for advice, I can only begin by pointing out the obvious in that before any proposal can be developed there needs to be honest desire by those elected to develop a plan, which currently doesn’t seem to be the case. To date, a majority of the Republican representatives have focused solely on obstructed the efforts of others who have been trying to work on the issue. Needless to say, my second piece of advice would be to elect representatives who are less obstructive and have demonstrated an honest desire and the skills needed to develop a legitimate plan of action.

December 31, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.
joneses said...

Liberals are the only people I know that think if your taxes remain the same you are getting a tax cut. These liberals continue to remind me how gullible they are by believing this lie. They always amaze me with their stupidity.

December 31, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.
jesse said...

If you use this forum as an example the very same thing is going on in congress!

Everyone has an opinion on how the country needs to be run and anyone who disagrees is a moron!

The clash and dislike between Reid and McConnell is a good example! They don't get along any better than the posters on here and in private prob.do as much name calling as goes on here!

December 31, 2012 at 11:51 a.m.
Rebus said...

The left on this forum take a mean spirited approach. Lessons in manners might do the trick for them. And maybe not.

December 31, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

“rickaroo, all the while you are calling the right hate spewing wing-nuts you are doing just that, spewing your brand of hate. Pot calling the kettle black” - degage

We are all pots or kettles, depending on whether we are on the giving or the receiving end of the name calling and invectives. If you're human and not totally apathetic you're going to have an opinion and we all like to think that our particular opinions are the right ones. Even the so-called independents and middle-of-the-roaders and people like you who pretend to be above the name calling and hate speech have your opinions and you think that yours are somehow more true or more valid than those of us who make no bones about what side of the political fence we stand on. Just because we lefties and righties get a little heated and oftentimes spew venom back and forth doesn't mean that we're all wrong all of the time. Maybe I'm right in my views, maybe I'm wrong, and maybe neither side is right or wrong - maybe we're all just so heavily opinionated that real truth lies somewhere beyond the grasp of all of us. (And no,Ken Orr, your Jeezus and your Bible are not the way, the truth, and the life; you are entitled to your opinion like everybody else, but that is all it is - your opinion). But I am who I am and I believe in myself and what I stand for, just as I'm sure that every conservative and independent believes in what they stand for, too. Nevertheless I will continue to state what I believe and if I feel inclined to resort to name calling, as most posters here do at some point, then so be it. Unlike some on here, at least I usually try to expound upon my opinions and explain why I'm calling someone a POS or some other name of choice. I don't just spew out names and one-liners and run for cover.

We are all here on this earth to play our role, make our choices, and stand for what we believe in. Whoever wins this ideological battle we're engaged in will most likely be determined long after we're gone, when time and history will judge our stances accordingly. In the meantime we can all just carry on the good fight and let the cards fall where they may.

December 31, 2012 at 12:14 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse... You are consistently concerned with the lack of rapprochement up in here. Gotta give you your props for seeing through the miasma.

Working within your refreshing rubric, let me wish a Happy New Year to all the posters here who have never changed their names. To those who have changed their names, I would like to pass along this little ditty from the friends of dissident Chinese artist Ai Weiwei:

December 31, 2012 at 12:27 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

I believe former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman’s observations are a good starting point . . . It will be interesting to see if there are any other reflective Republican politicians out there:

“Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (R), who ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 2012, had harsh words for his party in an interview published Sunday in Britain's Daily Telegraph.

"The party right now is a holding company that's devoid of a soul and it will be filled up with ideas over time and leaders will take their proper place," he said.

"We can't be known as a party that's fear-based and doesn't believe in math," he added. . .

"In my party, compromise cannot be seen as analogous to treason, which it has been recently," he said.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/jon-huntsman-gop_n_2387879.html

December 31, 2012 at 12:38 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Dennis,

"The left on this forum take a mean spirited approach. Lessons in manners might do the trick for them. And maybe not."

Maximus said...

dude your ho mama suck cock in hell....yeeeea Obama Thug Buddy JayZ in da howse................really i gotta go

December 30, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.


And so it goes, Jack_Dennis was the whiniest bitch of all.

December 31, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Surprised tu_ isn't a fan of the Dr. Not everybody is a fraud like Ayn Rand.

December 31, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

“Rickaroo, mark my word, history will treat George W. bush and his Iraq war victory way, way better...” - Maximus

I'm curious - how exactly were we victorious in Iraq? What is this “Iraq war victory” of Bush's that you speak of? The only time I heard anyone announce a “victory” was when Bush donned his bomber jacket and gave his silly “Mission accomplished” speech after only a few days of fighting. And that was even before Hussein had been captured. Do you think that just because we deposed and captured Saddam Hussein we were victorious? As bad a tyrant as he was and deserving of being brought to justice and deposed, he was just a big fish in a little pond, and the Middle East was actually more stable with him in power. Once we stormed in, looking for WMDs that didn't exist or trying to “spread” democracy (whichever convenient excuse you want to use for invading Iraq) in a section of the globe that has no concept whatsoever of the principles of democracy and probably never will, we destabilized the entire Middle East in a way that endangered us and everyone much more than we could have ever imagined. We deposed a tyrant but just getting rid of a tyrant without a clear and realistic plan to reinstate something or someone in his place does not a victory make. As of today Iraq is on course to becoming another dictatorship at the hands of yet another corrupt and self-serving tyrant, Maliki. One tyrant (Saddam) will simply have been replaced with another.

As for living conditions in Iraq today, there is no infrastructure as such: over two million people have been displaced from their homes (two million, that is, who are still in Iraq; another two million plus have taken up residence in other countries), there is scant clean water, electricity, sewage connection, and health services (over 12,000 physicians fled the country since our invasion); and unemployment is at 30% ( a very low-ball estimate). And the Kurds, Sunnis, and Shiites are still at each others' throats, with suicide bombings a common occurrence.

As for life here in our country since the invasion, how are we any more free or better off because of the invasion? We live in just as much fear of another terrorist attack as ever (Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 anyway, we all know that),and our government has actually imposed more restrictions on our freedom because of that fear.

Again I ask you about Bush's “Iraq war victory.” Please explain to me and to all of us just how this victory has manifested itself. I'm sure that you in your infinite wisdom can enlighten us, dear Maximus Pontificus Idioticus.

December 31, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus sees no victory in Iraq. Afghanistan either for that matter.

December 31, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus sees no victory in Iraq. Afghanistan either for that matter.

December 31, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

I know this has nothing to do with the cartoon du jour but in light of Mr. Orr's always bombastic and self-righteous postings about his blind faith in a make-believe sky daddy and his sky daddy's walking-on-water, magic-working, heaven-ascending, virgin-born son, I wanted to provide some balance. I came across a clever synopsis of Christianity the other day. There are actually three of them. I don't know who wrote the first two but someone named Steve Gray wrote the last one. I'm sure that there are some posters here (whose names I need not mention. Oops, I guess I've already mentioned one of them) who will not appreciate the humor or the truth in these, but I hope that most of you whose minds are not so rigidly closed, at least about your religion, can appreciate these little gems of succinctness. I didn't write theme but I came up with a name for them. I call them Crazy Christianity in a Nutshell:

1) Christianity is the belief that a narcissistic Jewish zombie who is his own father can make you live forever if you pretend to eat his flesh and drink his blood and telepathically tell him you love him so he can remove an evil spell from your soul that is present in everyone because a woman made from a rib was persuaded by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

2) A perfect, omnipotent god of love deliberately created flawed beings so that he would have to kill almost all of them and start over so he would have to send himself down among them and sacrifice himself to himself in order to allow himself to forgive those flawed beings for having the flaws he himself created in them.

3) God to the people: I created you with a default destiny to burn in Hell for forty trillion years. If the pain doesn't kill you, the boredom will. The only way you can avoid that is to realize that I lovingly had my son tortured and killed to forgive you for sins that you didn't commit. If this doesn't make sense to you, it's your own fault.

Personally, I don't care who or what anybody believes in as far as who or what might or might not exist in the after-life - if indeed there is an after-life. Just give me the respect and the space to believe or not believe the way I choose to believe or not believe without you telling me that your God is going to cast me into hell just because my belief doesn't match your belief. If you will shut up and stop your preaching, condemning, and converting, then I will gladly shut up about my beliefs too, and maybe we can all just get along. Or at least, get along a little better. Peace and happy New Year to us all.

December 31, 2012 at 3:21 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Nicely done, Rickaroo.

December 31, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.
d2edwards said...

Farewell and and good riddance to the 112th Congress! Regardless of what happens today, the 112th Congress is going to wind up as the least popular and least productive Congress (in terms of legislation becoming law) in the modern era. Congress’ approval rating is a pathetic 12%. The whopping 82% disapproval rating of Congress is the highest percentage in the history. Just 219 bills have been passed into law. Many of these bills were naming courthouses and post offices. That's the lowest number since Congress began tracking the number in the 1940s. The previous low was 333 in the 104th Congress (1995-1996).

Throughout its history, Congress has always been a dysfunctional place. The Founding Fathers ensured it that way. But this particular Congress, which comes to an end on Jan. 3, has been uniquely dysfunctional. The current fiscal-cliff debate, the debt-ceiling standoff of 2011 that resulted in an S&P credit downgrade, the Super Committee’s failure, the near government shutdown in the spring of 2011, etc. With the debt ceiling, the fiscal cliff, and the near government shutdown, it’s hard not to conclude that Congress has been an active player in the sluggishness of the U.S. economy.

December 31, 2012 at 3:44 p.m.
jesse said...

ROO, I hope you have gotten thru to ORR BUT i doubt it!

He must be on a mission and the op ed page is his "MINISTRY" so to speak!

If the man was sane he would realize just how insane and counter productive his rant are!

December 31, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Easy and jesse, I chuckled when I read each one of these but at the same time they are absolutely true. I know some of the other posters (at least two of whom I'm sure you're aware of) who won't see it that way but that is their loss, IMHO.

December 31, 2012 at 4:07 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Joneses said: “Liberals are the only people I know that think if your taxes remain the same you are getting a tax cut. They always amaze me with their stupidity.”

I’m curious as to what you could be referencing, Joneses. Please enlighten us with a few historical examples. You obviously have something in mind other than this debate about the Bush era Tax cuts, which were suppose to be temporary.

Joneses said: “Liberals . . .They always amaze me with their stupidity.”

Needless to say, some liberals feel the same way about the Republican Party:

"Today’s Republican Party thinks the key problem America faces is out-of-control entitlement spending. But cutting entitlement spending is unpopular and the GOP’s coalition relies heavily on seniors. And so they don’t want to propose entitlement cuts. If possible, they’d even like to attack President Obama for proposing entitlement cuts. But they also want to see entitlements cut and will refuse to solve the fiscal cliff or raise the debt ceiling unless there are entitlement cuts."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/30/the-republican-party-in-one-tweet/

December 31, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.
jesse said...

Nah,first it was the flu,then a concussion,now a clot!

Next up amnesia!!

December 31, 2012 at 4:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

What's it like being a moron? Do you have sex with the farm animals before or after your Klan meeting?

December 31, 2012 at 5 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML said......

"Today’s Republican Party thinks the key problem America faces is out-of-control entitlement spending. But cutting entitlement spending is unpopular and the GOP’s coalition relies heavily on seniors. And so they don’t want to propose entitlement cuts. If possible, they’d even like to attack President Obama for proposing entitlement cuts. But they also want to see entitlements cut and will refuse to solve the fiscal cliff or raise the debt ceiling unless there are entitlement cuts."

Who labeled these programs "entitlements"? What "entitles" anyone to receive borrowed money or money that belonged to someone else? I think some of the more credible in both parties realize the current medicare and medicaid spending is not sustainable without more taxes and other adjustments. Social security will need some adjustments and if done timely will not have to be as severe as the medical welfare programs. The token increase on those targeted is not a drop in the bucket.

If I were king I would return every penny to those that had not drawn all their contribution out and kill that ponzi scheme. I would abolish any federal government involvement in health care and simplify and regulate private insurance. I would reduce military involvement in other countries, close bases etc. and reduce the military budget drastically. I would abolish the federal dept. of education, reduce the dept. of energy to about one half the current size, I would stop all farm subsidies and let the market set the prices. I would abolish all federally managed welfare programs and provide states block grants with a reasonable time line where they received no federal money. There would be no federal laws against alcohol, drugs, gambling, prostitution, guns and other adult human vices but heavily regulated and taxed.

The tax system would be zero taxes except those paid on what you spend regardless of the income source. I would return a set amount, sufficient to purchase health care coverage, of the consumption tax revenue to every citizen of working age which is the fairest way to "redistribute" wealth.

The federal government is bigger than most people can imagine with employment in the millions. The federal government has more than they can handle protecting us from each other, the borders, from attack by other countries and from dirty air, water and food.

December 31, 2012 at 5:32 p.m.
jesse said...

I did not believe it till JUST NOW but Fairmon really is HARP!!

Who woulda thunk it!!

December 31, 2012 at 5:49 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse... C'mon, man! How long before you believe Rebus is Jack_Dennis? How long before you believe Maximus is TOES?

December 31, 2012 at 5:59 p.m.
dude_abides said...

JonRoss... Do you see, now, why God made you below average in so many ways? You'd be dangerous if you had an IQ over 90. Evil, but weak and unimportant.

December 31, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.
jesse said...

I know about rebus ,he's made it pretty plain ,maximus is so over the top that at one time i had him fig.for TU!Still ain't sure he's toes!

If max was a lefty i would think NOOGA!

December 31, 2012 at 6:07 p.m.
fairmon said...

jesse said... I did not believe it till JUST NOW but Fairmon really is HARP!!

As posted earlier I am back...pass word changed and will keep un fairmon.

December 31, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.
hambone said...

Well, then there now! Someone tell me what name Francis is using now?

December 31, 2012 at 7:25 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus thrilled that several of you clowns obsess on his name.

December 31, 2012 at 8:21 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Rebus talk like ape man... in third person... which is really weird in that he's a fraud and may be speaking as Jack_, in which case he would be speaking in the second person. He didn't realize that his intellectual laziness would give him away. Him talk in single sentence... with little ^^^ marks to save keystrokes.

December 31, 2012 at 8:49 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Who says Congress (and our abomination of a president) is not getting anything done.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57561142/warantless-surveillance-bill-passes-congress-heads-to-obamas-desk/

Every day they take more of our Constitutional protections away from us.

December 31, 2012 at 9:21 p.m.
fairmon said...

BigRidgePatriot said...

Who says Congress is not getting anything done? warantless-surveillance-bill-passes-congress Every day they take more of our Constitutional protections away from us.

Right..every new law reduces the choices people have. Many are very willing to give up liberty and freedom for a false sense of protection and security. The new pursuit of happiness is how much can I get the government to do that someone else pays for.

December 31, 2012 at 11:52 p.m.
tderng said...

Geronimo!!!! over the cliff we goooooooooo! Happy New Year to every one,left right and center!!!

January 1, 2013 at 12:07 a.m.
dude_abides said...

2012-13 NEW YEARS FIREWORKS AWARDS

1st Place: East Lake

2nd Place: East Side

3rd Place: Flintstone

4th Place: Downtown

5th Place: Lookout Mountain

6th Place: East Ridge

7th Place: St. Elmo

8th Place: Northside

9th Place: Signal Mountain

Honorable Mention: Godawful Boom from Lookout Valley

January 1, 2013 at 12:25 a.m.
tderng said...

Surprise,surprise. Taxes rise now an spending cuts later. I can't believe the republicans keep falling for that same old LIE every time. Screw it,we might as well go ahead and raise the debt limit to 30 trillion and get it over with. The Democrats pull this same bull$hit every time,raise taxes now and we'll cut spending later.Only the spending cuts never happen.What the hell,I'm old enough that it probably won't effect me any way and screw the future generations,right Democrats?!? I'm on your side now,we need to increase the spending as fast as we can so that MY life can be better,the hell with the young folks out there,you're on your own.

January 1, 2013 at 12:37 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Happy New Year, tderng!

January 1, 2013 at 2:11 a.m.
fairmon said...

tdering....other than that what do you think about the compromise on taxes and spending? At least Washington uses compromise and not reconcile to describe their behavior. Do you not feel sorry for a congress that passed up the new years eve party they had planned so they could "get the peoples work done"? Don't you think they deserve a pay raise even if the rest of the country doesn't get one? I see no reason not to agree to a debt level that covers the balance of Obama's term which is around 28 trillion dollars. I would suggest agreeing with anything he proposes, the results can't be any worse than the half arse way things are happening now. Why not return the the Eisenhower era tax rates?

January 1, 2013 at 5:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

Limric posted...

suggest viewing the accompanying video. It just scratches the surface of the deep seated problems and naked sellout of the middle class by both parties. Now a wholly owned corporate entity.

Let the Bush Tax Cuts Expire by economyincrisis.

Good video. I have said many times it is not a clif, the rates should all expire and perhaps increased and combined with reduced wasteful and excessive spending with the military being a good starting point.

January 1, 2013 at 5:23 a.m.
fairmon said...

Happy new year...Something to look forward to...

In the coming New Year, 2013, both Groundhog Day and the State of the Union address might occur on the same day. This is an ironic juxtaposition of events. One involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to an insignificant creature of little intelligence for prognostication.

The other involves a groundhog.

January 1, 2013 at 5:30 a.m.
delmar said...

To BRP, here's something else that will make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/12/wee-comparison-civil-liberties-united-states-america

January 1, 2013 at 6:42 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Every day they take more of our Constitutional protections away from us."

I'm amazed that you and others cannot amass enough reading comprehension skills to understand which phone calls that the Gov't has been and will continue to be monitoring under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act program.

The very first paragraph of the article you posted a link to, CLEARLY defines which phone calls would be monitored without a warrant.

You really should be more worried about the black helicopters that hover over your home on a daily basis, which monitor your thoughts.

Bi-Lo has a sale on Reynold's Wrap this week. Don't forget to pick up a couple of rolls so that you don't run out of tin foil hats.

From your cited article:

"The Senate gave final congressional approval Friday to a bill renewing the U.S. government's authority to monitor overseas phone calls and emails of suspected foreign spies and terrorists - but not Americans - without obtaining a court order for each intercept."

Sensible people understand that monitoring phone calls placed to and from countries where terrorists are known to exist, is a very good way of obtaining intelligence that can be used to thwart potential attacks on people inside our borders.

Sensible people also understand that the Gov't has no interest in their phone calls at all.

I really hate to disappoint you, but just as all of the arguments offered in this forum will never have an ounce of impact on what transpires in this nation, as normal, opinionated, law-abiding Americans, I'm equally sure that not one of us has every had so much as one phone call monitored by any law enforcement agency...ever.

I know it is a disappointment and very ego bursting to be told that you are totally insignificant, but if you do want to be singled out for some attention, I do have a suggestion to offer you. Don't file or pay your taxes for awhile.

Your phone calls will still not be monitored, but you might get a personal visit from a Gov't representative to discuss the issue, eventually.

January 1, 2013 at 7:27 a.m.
fairmon said...

2013 predictions anyone: They are usually unbelievable and rarely accurate. For example:

Mountainlaurel will become as conservative as she is liberal.

Easy123 will tone down his personal attacks.

Assault weapon owners will advocate more control.

The tax rates will increase enough to balance the budget.

The fair tax proposal will finally make it out of committee and people will study and understand it then demand it be voted in.

All American soldiers will be out of the middle east and other foreign countries in 2013.

All foreign aid will be discontinued and a like amount spent on American infrastructure.

Congress will realize the answer to the economic woes can be solved through utilizing American energy independence efforts.

Congress will finally see the benefit of tax code simplification and stop the manipulation and favor showing.

Congress will adopt the mantra we will take our country back by not yielding to corporate and special interest pressure and will not accept their money.

January 1, 2013 at 8 a.m.
conservative said...

In case you don't know by now that Liberals are flaming hypocrites.

These Liberal spokesmen's words and then their actions:

January 1, 2013 at 8:55 a.m.
jesse said...

None of the above!!periot!

January 1, 2013 at 8:56 a.m.
delmar said...

alprova said..."The very first paragraph of the article you posted a link to, CLEARLY defines which phone calls would be monitored without a warrant."

I'm pretty sure the real issue is what is written in the rest of the article, namely the amendment that was struck down.

January 1, 2013 at 9 a.m.
alprova said...

delmar wrote: "I'm pretty sure the real issue is what is written in the rest of the article, namely the amendment that was struck down."

Let's see...the program specifically targets calls to and from known or suspected terrorists OUTSIDE of the United States, and the program specifically prohibits monitoring phone calls of Americans placed inside the country, and an amendment failed to pass that would demand disclosure of phone calls placed by Americans that were monitored.

Can you see why the amendment failed to pass? It failed to pass because monitoring domestic phone calls is a non-issue, except for the tin foil crowd.

Folks, if you want to be concerned about eavesdropping, worry about the chances that your cell phone conversations are listened to by someone with a Radio-Shack scanner, who listens to cell phone conversations out of pure boredom.

January 1, 2013 at 9:25 a.m.
delmar said...

"Can you see why the amendment failed to pass? It failed to pass because monitoring domestic phone calls is a non-issue, except for the tin foil crowd."

Precisely why it should have passed. If it's no big deal than a little transparency should be a non-issue as well.

January 1, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
fairmon said...

BRP...You can't expect people to recognize the risk of erosion of freedoms, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is a little quicker than the river widening through erosion of the banks but at a pace most people think it is good. There is no lightning strike or drum roll but just a steady tapping with abdication of responsibility by local to the state and federal level and states to federal.

January 1, 2013 at 10 a.m.
Rebus said...

^^^^Bang the drum slowly

January 1, 2013 at 10:51 a.m.
alprova said...

delmar wrote: "Precisely why it should have passed. If it's no big deal than a little transparency should be a non-issue as well."

You don't get it, do you? There's nothing to be transparent about because it isn't happening. The Gov't doesn't give two hoots about your phone calls. They aren't listening in on them.

January 1, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
Rebus said...

Liberals can never pay for welfare state they've expanded if they don't have gumption to raise taxes on middle class. Rebus rarely worng.

January 1, 2013 at 11:27 a.m.
limric said...

Happy New Year!

Alprova, I must respectfully disagree 7:27 AM post. I believe it was subjected out of naivety. I think you strongly feel (as I once did) that the government has the best interest of ‘we the people’ at heart. They don’t! Evidence yesterday’s fiscal cliff deal.

The United States is slowly but surely becoming a surveillance/police state — if it isn’t one already. We no longer have the privacy we once had and it seems as though many (like the frog in the pot of heating water) are just fine with that. The recent David Petraeus extramarital affair exposure should put to rest any doubts. I’m sure we can agree that it shined a light on a government that can and will rummage through your most intimate conversations on a whim.

Some will posit, If you have nothing to hide, there’s no reason to be afraid of relinquishing your privacy to the government, right? BEEP - wrong. This has been the stated policy of every police state that has ever existed.

Do YOU have faith in the integrity of the government with your private information? As if they have a flawless record of moral fiber. The eight years of the Bush administration alone is a shining example of governmental immorality and criminality. To which all pervious policies have been continued by Obama, just with a friendlier face.

Just few indicators:

Indefinite military detentions of U.S. citizens

Targeting U.S. citizens for killing

Arresting witnesses for recording police actions

Using GPS to track your every move

Surveillance drones and CCTV cameras spying on American soil

Militarization of local police departments

We now have a government ‘by and for the people’ that goes to great lengths to obscure its actions but legalizes its ability to see everything YOU are doing or thinking.

WHY?

January 1, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said...

"Rebus rarely worng."

OH MY GOD THANK YOU! MY DAY IS NOW COMPLETE!

January 1, 2013 at 12:09 p.m.
patriot1 said...

limric....there are things I disagree with you on, but this is NOT one of them. You are spot on with you comments concerning privacy.

January 1, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jesse noted: “I did not believe it till JUST NOW but Fairmon really is HARP!! Who woulda thunk it!!” AND Dude_abide said to Jesse: “C'mon, man! How long before you believe Rebus is Jack_Dennis? How long before you believe Maximus is TOES?”

It is rather odd that so many of the Republicans on this board are suddenly changing their board names. I wonder what is going on. Do you think something biological might be happening here? You know . . sort of like snakes shedding their skin?

January 1, 2013 at 12:18 p.m.
jesse said...

M L, I think rebus is just yankin on Dudes chain, plus he always was messin w/his avatar!

Maximus may be somethin a little more sinister!

January 1, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Yes, jesse, give Rebus_JackEntire, the fraud, an excuse. Now he knows what tack to take. I bet you've screwed up many a punch line in your life, haven't you? LOL

jesse's jokes always end in "no, wait..."

January 1, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
dude_abides said...

mountainlaurel, the election was like dropping a grenade into a pack of hyenas. They've all come limping back with different spots, but the same old hideous voices.

January 1, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.
jesse said...

Well shucks Dude, i think it's kinda funny how he keeps you up worrin about his ass at night!Now EASY ain't had a wink of sleep since he changed his handle!

January 1, 2013 at 1:01 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Liberals can never pay for welfare state they've expanded if they don't have gumption to raise taxes on middle class." - rebus

Taxes probably will have to go up on all income levels eventually. Many economists have said so. Those same economists have also said that now is not the time to raise taxes on the lower income levels, though. The deficit hawks have been making the deficit the #1 priority when job growth and the economy should be our first concern. The trouble with more austerity is that it only creates more austerity, in the form of increased poverty and unemployment.

It makes sense to raise the tax rates on the wealthy because, contrary to the wishful thinking of the mentally challenged, they do not, by and large, create jobs with their money; they simply invest it to make more money and they pay an even lower rate on their capital gains taxes than other people do on their wages and salaries. In other words, their money does not trickle down (never has, never will) and they do not put it back into the economy in any way that significantly helps it. The scant increase in their taxes that is being proposed will not affect them adversely in any way.

The vast majority of middle income earners, however, do not have the luxury of extra money to invest and are forced to put their income right back into the economy. It only makes sense to keep those tax cuts in place for now and if/when more people have decent paying jobs, then adjust the tax rates accordingly.

January 1, 2013 at 1:06 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse, I'm happy for you that wandering through your life like the 'Fool on the Hill' is acceptable. Some of us prefer to call out frauds for what they are. Sometimes a person has to stand up for what they've said or done. Did you see a bunch of bankruptcy in your youth? Cars repossessed? People caught in lies, that just seemed to say "aw, shucks" and laugh it off "cause it don't make no difference, noways?"

January 1, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.
jesse said...

Watch this,it tells ya all ya need to know about the gubmint!!

January 1, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.
jesse said...

Dude, i just don't sweat the small stuff and now that i'm more or less just "waitin on the bus" it's ALL small stuff!

January 1, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
Maximus said...

Limric asked: "Do you have faith in the integrity of the government with your private information?" The Maximus family had a New Years Eve celebration at our expansive top 1% income estate looking back on our successes of 2012 and looking with great anticipation for success in the New Year despite Obama The Welfare Pimp. After we had popped the cork on a nice Bollinger La Grande Annee Champagne to toast the New Year we retired to the media room to watch the movie, "The Hunger Games". I know, I know, to all my haters, the movie has been out for quite some time but to a busy capitalist like me, I catch up on movies and such during holiday. Wow! I was blown away by "The Hunger Games". If there was ever a commentary on the inherent dangers of big governemnt and the expansion of the ruling class, albeit a sci-fi movie, it's "The Hunger Games". It reminded me of a book that I read recently on the holocaust that basically asked the question, "How were six million Jews killed during Nazi rule?" The answer, they complied. "The Hunger Games" should be viewed by every American as a cautionary tale focused on the dangers of big government and the importance of faith, family, and freedom. The greatest danger we face as a country is apathy. If you submit, your freedom is at risk. Be aware, be involved, and most importantly....vote. Happy New Year and Much Swag To All!

January 1, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus recommends ambien.

January 1, 2013 at 1:48 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Jesse, Carlin is spot on, as he was in just about everything he lambasted and lampooned. The thing is that he was not just ridiculing "gubmint" but the entire system that has arisen from big business and the super-rich taking ownership of our "gubmint." Too many people are blaming only the "gubmint" while defending the corporations who are the ones pulling the strings of their puppets in the White House and rigging the system in their favor. We can still have a truly representative government of, by, and for the people but not unless and until we get the money out of our politics, or at least the kind of money that so easily buys our politicians and keeps them subservient to their fat-cat puppeteers.

January 1, 2013 at 2 p.m.
dude_abides said...

dude_ recommends spell check.

Happy New Year TOES! Careful having everyone retire to the "media room," you don't want to tip that trailer to the point of denting your "foundation."

January 1, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"The Maximus family had a New Years Eve celebration at our expansive top 1% income estate looking back on our successes of 2012..." - MaxiPad

Yawn.

January 1, 2013 at 2:11 p.m.
Maximus said...

Carlin the druggie hippy comedian has any credibility? Heah now! I guess it's kinda like that little troll on HBO Bill Mahr. Talk about mental issues. Napoleaonic meglamania on display all in a little bottle nosed Canadian punk socialist package. Mahr was definitely bullied as a child and so was Carlin or should I say dropped on his head as a baby. Carlin.....wow man...groovey...forecast for tonight....dark. Now thats funny.

January 1, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
delmar said...

To jesse; "The Big Club, and you aint in it!" - I love Carlin, thanks for the clip.

If you're up to a long read, (well, internet long) you might like this - http://jacobinmag.com/2012/12/yours-mine-but-not-ours/ - I think George would approve!

January 1, 2013 at 2:30 p.m.
Maximus said...

jesse, What a depressing way to describe your life..."just waitin on the buss"...

January 1, 2013 at 2:39 p.m.
jesse said...

Don't worry about it maximus you got probs.of your own you need to deal with! Anyhow that just an old Z.Z. TOP song i like a lot!

Wheather you realize it or not that what you and everybody else is doing also!

January 1, 2013 at 2:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Limric wrote: "I think you strongly feel (as I once did) that the government has the best interest of ‘we the people’ at heart."

I don't believe I have ever expressed that the Gov't looks out or cares for all of us.

"The United States is slowly but surely becoming a surveillance/police state — if it isn’t one already."

I suppose that I am fine with it for a couple of reasons. I have nothing to fear from it and there's not much I can do about it.

"The recent David Petraeus extramarital affair exposure should put to rest any doubts."

You, I, and everyone else who correspond in this forum are hardly as prominent as someone who once headed up the CIA, an agency of the Gov't that has for a lack of a better description, spied on people around the world for 65 years.

"Some will posit, If you have nothing to hide, there’s no reason to be afraid of relinquishing your privacy to the government, right?"

It's not a matter of anyone relinquishing any right to privacy. If it is indeed ongoing, there's nothing any one of us can to to stop it.

I live my life with the full knowledge that God knows everything I do or think. So what if someone else is doing the same thing?

"Do YOU have faith in the integrity of the government with your private information?"

No consequence has befallen me as a result of them knowing just about everything about me, so far in life. And trust me, they know a lot about each and every one of us.

"The eight years of the Bush administration alone is a shining example of governmental immorality and criminality."

"Just few indicators:"

"Indefinite military detentions of U.S. citizens"

A U.S. citizen engaged or assisting others in acts of terrorism deserves to be treated no better than foreign nationals. Me? Why hold them indefinitely? Hang 'em.

"Targeting U.S. citizens for killing"

Again...if they are traitors and involved in terrorism, kill 'em all.

"Arresting witnesses for recording police actions"

That Sir, is a local law enforcement issue. I've seen nothing to date to indicate that this is a Federal issue or policy.

"Using GPS to track your every move"

A great law enforcement tactic used to nab those suspected of criminal activity. I'm all for it.

"Surveillance drones and CCTV cameras spying on American soil"

Ditto the above. I love cameras. I just checked the security cameras that are set up on my business property right here at home, because God knows I can't depend on local police to protect my property 24/7/365.

Drones in the U.S.? I'm aware that they exist, but what they are used for seems to be a mystery for the most part. I haven't seen any around here, yet.

"Militarization of local police departments"

It's never been a problem to me. I haven't even been pulled over for any reason in thirteen years.

If I can do nothing about it, I don't worry about it.

January 1, 2013 at 3:15 p.m.
degage said...

It is so funny , all you libs so worried about who is who. Jack, tu, toes ,who cares? thats right its driving the libs nuts.

January 1, 2013 at 3:16 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse... maxTOES ain't waitin' for the bus, he's living in it! Have mercy.

January 1, 2013 at 3:22 p.m.
alprova said...

It's rather pathetic when someone feels the need to reinvent themselves to troll a forum.

I'm about ready to let the trolls have this one too, because it's clear to me that the staff charged with monitoring it have no intention of putting an end to this crap.

January 1, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

degage said... "It is so funny , all you libs so worried about who is who. Jack, tu, toes ,who cares? thats right its driving the libs nuts."

That's exactly what's wrong with your bunch, degage, you're a bunch of cut and run chicken sh!ts. I actually LOVE the fact that most of you disappeared after the election. It proves what a bunch of weak willed wimps you are! Harp finally fessed up (with a ridiculous excuse) but the rest are still hiding. Don't expect me to relent, it's too much fun. Watch this:

Hey, Rebus, are you Jack_Dennis? Or are you ashamed to claim the name your parents gave you? Not answering will be taken to mean that you are Jack_Dennis. See, this is just good, clean fun.

January 1, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
jesse said...

KUDOS DUDE, That IS funny!!(max livin IN the bus!)

January 1, 2013 at 3:36 p.m.
patriot1 said...

alpo....Were you a hall monitor in you early years?

January 1, 2013 at 3:40 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus says little dude is fixated.

January 1, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
jesse said...

Wow Al, you worrin about a little "trollin" after some of the crap Easy 123 has pulled on here????

If their was a hand on the tiller of this mess wouldn't be more than 6 or 7 regulars still be around!!

January 1, 2013 at 3:48 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Rebus said... "Rebus says little dude is fixated."

Thanks for the answer, Jack. Must suck to find yourself in a fix like that.

January 1, 2013 at 3:53 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said to jesse...

It is rather odd that so many of the Republicans on this board are suddenly changing their board names. I wonder what is going on. Do you think something biological might be happening here? You know . . sort of like snakes shedding their skin?

You can't be talking about me since I am not, I repeat I AM NOT a republican. I do dislike them less than I dislike the dumocrats and their spend, spend, spend mentality and their attack on businesses. Obama is not the only one that can travel during the holidays. I did give someone access to my account but I am back and have not changed my libertarian opinion on the issues. I am convinced ML that you are an employee of some government function that may not know how many zeros are in a trillion dollars and the risk associated with the growing debt.

jesse....George Carlin is a long time favorite of mine. He can crack you up and make you think about things of interest.

January 1, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
jesse said...

Speakin of new handles ,anyone know what BULBS is goin by these days???

January 1, 2013 at 4:54 p.m.
Rebus said...

rebus says bulbs going by clay bennett

January 1, 2013 at 4:58 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Hey Rebus are you Jack_Dennis? LOL

January 1, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
fairmon said...

formerly harp3339...

If you have been voting for politicians that promise to give you goodies at someone else's expense then you have no right to complain when they take your money and give it to someone else including themselves.....Thomas Sowell.

Did congress not receuive a nice raise? Who approved it? Was it in line with what people in the private sector are getting?

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or dangerous way of making decisions than putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.

I have not yet heard a good explanation why wanting to keep money I earned is greed while it is not greed to want to take someone else's money?

The results are usually not good when you replace what works with waht sounds good...that is what has happened in America the past few decades.

January 1, 2013 at 5:47 p.m.
fairmon said...

jesse...bulbs, Mtjohn, nucanuck all seem to be missing in action and they sure didn't leave based on the election going against their conservative opinions.

January 1, 2013 at 5:51 p.m.
delmar said...

“All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.”― Noam Chomsky

Or more succinctly - “Complacency delivered us into the hands of evil greedy men like Cheney.”― Sonia Rumzi

January 1, 2013 at 5:58 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon/Harp3339 says: “You can't be talking about me since I am not, I repeat I AM NOT a republican. I do dislike them less than I dislike the dumocrats etc.”

Yes, yes, you are. . . You can’t fool me. . .I’ve read most of your posts.

Fairmon/Harp3339 says: “Obama is not the only one that can travel during the holidays. I did give someone access to my account but I am back.”

OK, but why as Jesse notes did you change "your handle?” President Obama didn’t change his “handle” during his holiday travels.

Fairmon/Harp3339 says: “I am convinced ML that you are an employee of some government function that may not know how many zeros are in a trillion dollars and the risk associated with the growing debt.”

But you also think people who cut taxes and then begin invasions of other countries have financial savvy, which suggests you’re not very good when comes to assessing people and/or anything related to budgetary matters.

January 1, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Dude_Abides notes: “the election was like dropping a grenade into a pack of hyenas. They've all come limping back with different spots, but the same old hideous voices.”

Yes, I suppose the change might be due to the election. I was just intrigued that they all seem to change their “handles” around the same. It was like they were all somehow cybernetically connected to one another – something like “The Borg” collective on Star Trek. As I recall, “The Borg’s” decisions were made by a hive mind, linked by subspace radio.

January 1, 2013 at 6:18 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_, 'non-Jack_Rebus' simply needs to say that he is not Jack_Dennis. He's only in a jam if he lies. There's no catch 22 there, like you describe. It's fun because he is paralyzed in his own silk.

Do you really consider the things you posted about to be good, clean fun? Do those things enter your mind when you're in the company of the dear ones you referenced after the school massacre?

January 1, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
jesse said...

If Tu ever decides to change their moniker i would like to suggest "Percy Wetmore" !

That would be a perfect fit!!LMAO!

January 1, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus astounded at attention to handles. But believes it all in spirit of good clean fun. Similar to debates going on in The House.

January 1, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.
dude_abides said...

What's really funny, Jack_, is that you've got a detective for an avatar, and use a type of picture puzzle for your new name, but your attempt at subversion is worthy of Jack_Clouseau:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_urSQl6wUA5g/SZ-YvFB6dVI/AAAAAAAAGNg/I0lQ6xzWLM4/s400/peter_sellers_inspector_clouseau_pi.jpg

January 1, 2013 at 7:04 p.m.
dude_abides said...

On Hayley! On Bryson! On Mary! On Jenny!

That's pretty disgusting, tu_.

January 1, 2013 at 7:06 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"I have not yet heard a good explanation why wanting to keep money I earned is greed while it is not greed to want to take someone else's money?" - fairmon

Ever since there have been civilized societies there has been some form of taxation. It's what civilized societies do to grease the wheels and keep the society functioning. But since Reagan came on the scene and planted it in the minds of his worshipful followers that government is some kind of evil entity, the brain-dead masses who idolize him have come to refer to taxation as "stealing" and the government as the main source of all of our problems. We have all enjoyed the lowest tax rates we have had in 60 years. The modest tax increase that is on the table now for the wealthiest Americans is so scant as to be laughable. Yet you jackasses keep whining about how the big bad government is trying to "steal from the makers to give to the takers."

We have had over 30 years of tax rates and loopholes that have favored the rich to such an extent that the income disparity is astronomical today. The wealth has been distributed disproportionately in their favor, at the expense of the poor and middle class, but somehow that kind of redistribution is perfectly okay with you. Now because there is talk of returning to a more fair and equitable tax rate, you whine like a whimpering ninnie about how unfair it is to the poor ol' maligned and disrespected rich people.

You libertarians like to think of yourselves as rugged individualists who earned whatever success you might have achieved with no help from anyone, and you especially refuse to acknowledge the helping hand that government has played in your life. But no matter how successful you are or important you think yourself to be, in reality you're no more significant than the least, the poorest, the most down-and-out among us. Like it or not, we are all in this together and America does not belong to you alone. There is a good reason we have laws and regulations, and yes, there is a good reason we have TAXES.

January 1, 2013 at 7:17 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Rickaroo, When I was young I had a friend who kept ball caps, tee shirts and beer koozies for several football teams that were perennial favorites, so that he could swap out his allegiance according to who was doing best in a given year. He always wanted to be identified with the winners. That's what you're up against here. These people who rant and vote for policies that benefit the wealthy feel some sort of subservient kinship to them, because they consider them the winners. Obviously, the haves are smart enough to keep a few wedge issues in play, to take advantage of the natural prejudices humans have trouble overcoming, and to bring the religious to heel. Like mountainlaurel said, they are The Borg, and, I guess, our resistance is "feudal."

January 1, 2013 at 9:26 p.m.
Easy123 said...

jesse,

"Wow Al, you worrin about a little "trollin" after some of the crap Easy 123 has pulled on here????"

Care to elaborate or are your just being vague for effect? It seems like you're just butt-hurt.

January 1, 2013 at 9:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebus_Dennis_Troll,

"Rebus astounded at attention to handles."

You mean the way you, Jack_Dennis, kept accusing myself and everyone else of going by many "handles"? I guess that's just the way your senile mind works.

January 1, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountianllaurelsaid....But you also think people who cut taxes and then begin invasions of other countries have financial savvy, which suggests you’re not very good when comes to assessing people and/or anything related to budgetary matters.

You will not find any post where I have supported invading or being involved in the affairs of another country. You will find where I advocate no American soldiers in any other country. You will find several socially liberal, fiscally conservative comments which I stand by. You will find nothing to suggest I think repiublicans are financially savvy, they are not. You will also find where I suggest we all pay taxes sufficient to pay for those things demanded of the government. That is not a republican view nor is it a democrat view. I can't stand Obama's ignorance, if he is a leader I could be the pope. I get the impression you fantasize about being his Monica. Obama thinks he can change the world. A person like that is more dangerous than a crooked politician.

January 1, 2013 at 10:33 p.m.
Maximus said...

Well lookie here....I thought Obama The Welfare Pimp had rid the world of Al-Qaida. "Rukmini Callimachi, Associated Press...Al-Qaida starts to create its own country in Mali. Deep inside caves, in remote desert bases, in the escarpments and cliff faces of northern Mali, Islamic fighters are burrowing into the earth, erecting a formidable set of defenses to protect what has essentially become Al-Qaida's new country. Northern Mali is now the biggest territory held by Al-Qaida and its allies." Well...Barry...guess you should push forward those defense department cuts since obviously YOU and Hillary have everything under control. Folks, batten down the hatches, the next four years is gonna be hell as the transformation of our country into a soft socialist utopia continues. Lucky I got an AR-15 for Christmas! Has anyone noticed...very hard to find ammo right now. Gotta stock up ya'll!

January 1, 2013 at 10:52 p.m.
fairmon said...

rickaroo said....

There is a good reason we have laws and regulations, and yes, there is a good reason we have TAXES.

Yes there are some very good reasons and some are rediculous. There is not a good reason for a 4 ft high stack of tax codes that manipulate to favor some and punish others. Regardless of the rates every filer should be able to complete their return on a post card. The fairest tax which the wealthy and politicians fear is described on the fair tax web site and in bills held in committee in both houses. Wanting to keep what is earned is not greed but envying and taking it to give to others is greed. Why is it the government is unwilling to allow those paying taxes to not dontate directly to government approved causes of their choice and take a tax "reduction" instead of a deduction. The reason is the government doesn't get to keep some of it for themselves and they could reduce some of the millions of government employees by eliminating those that inefficiently distribute welfare money.

January 1, 2013 at 10:57 p.m.
dude_abides said...

theartistformerlyknownasharp said... "I can't stand Obama's ignorance, if he is a leader I could be the pope. I get the impression you fantasize about being his Monica." Wow! You go from false decorum to brittle shrillness in nothing flat! A real world class-hole! Your biggest insult was to the Pope.

January 1, 2013 at 11:12 p.m.
dude_abides said...

What a strange household you must have, tu_. You really were dramatic that day, though. Kinda corny, as if nobody else around here had the capacity to feel the gravity. Laughable, coming from the Whore of Babylon. Will you be repeating the names on the anniversary of the massacre? Drama diva. LOL

January 1, 2013 at 11:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"Them jerking your pedophile chain (that turn of phrase does it for you doesn’t it?) and you can’t get access to them as you pace your trailer with your flaccid dic# in your hands and no release. A true pervert’s hell … we’re sure you know the feeling…. LOaO at your unsatisfied child lust."

It sounds like you're talking from experience. Vivid detail and all. At least you can discuss your fantasies with your "children" though, right?

You're one sick bitch. LMFAO!

January 1, 2013 at 11:49 p.m.
fairmon said...

dud says..

You go from false decorum to brittle shrillness in nothing flat!

So would you if someone labeled you a republican.

January 2, 2013 at 12:27 a.m.
dude_abides said...

What if I labelled harp3339 a bully? That's not still you is it? Or is it again? Wait, you were never fairmon until your post harp renaissance in which you became neither for a while, and then reconstituted as fairmon3339. But which one aren't you now? Or aren't you both presently? Which one is the libertine and which one won't be pretty soon, but will be back to replace the one that never really existed, and why not?

January 2, 2013 at 12:52 a.m.
jesse said...

Tu ,I never said a word about Doug Hutchison,!

January 2, 2013 at 2:06 a.m.
alprova said...

Jesse wrote: "Tu ,I never said a word about Doug Hutchison,!"

I think it's clear that she had to Google "Percy Wetmore" to figure out who he is. I also think it's clear that she never saw The Green Mile, and thus, totally misunderstood what you were referring to.

January 2, 2013 at 6:03 a.m.
EaTn said...

Congratulations to the 98% who had their incomes spared by the President and Congress. Next will come the wrangling to determine just who of the 98% will have to pay for the luxury living of the 2% the past ten years.

January 2, 2013 at 6:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

The cliff is avoided in favor of the slippery slope with the debt increasing a measly 4-6 trillion in a few years. Deductions limited for some but no "loop holes" closed. There is no excuse for not increasing the debt limit now instead of more last minute grand standing. Corporate rates remain unchanged with the 64,000 pages chock full of favor showing to some sectors such as financials and punishment to others, primarily manufacturing, where the most decent paying middle class jobs should be. Therefore, the exodus and curtailments continue. You can get agreement by most people that the entire congress should be replaced except theirs. I would, without hesitation, include our 3rd district monkey see monkey do selection that memorizes talking points and parrots them while never acknowledging receiving an email.

January 2, 2013 at 7:14 a.m.
jesse said...

This entire package is going to have about as much effect as haulin off and spitting in Chickamauga Lake!(none at all!)

The Dems had it right on tax increases and the Repubs.had it right on locked in spending cuts!

January 2, 2013 at 8:24 a.m.
Maximus said...

EaTn...I know you probably have not put in your false teeth yet but just wanted you to know that I pay for my own luxury living. Apparently, like Barry The Thug you enjoy dividing United States citizens into groups and exploiting them to your advantage. Well like most of the achievers that drive our economy, my family and I will find a way to survive and thrive no matter what the feds do. As for you EaTn keep using that EBT card and I got news for you the Vols are going to continue to suck for a long long time. I think it might be that inmste orange jersey that they wear on Saturdays. Go Vandy! Wup, wup!

January 2, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.
Rebus said...

"Deal is immoral- ie, asking kids and grandkids to pay for our credit cards. Ds including the Pres and VP should not cheer. Our kids lost" -Lanny Davis, Democrat

January 2, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.
tderng said...

Rebus said... "Deal is immoral- ie, asking kids and grandkids to pay for our credit cards. Ds including the Pres and VP should not cheer. Our kids lost" -Lanny Davis, Democrat

rebus... the Democrats don't give a rats ass about our kids.

January 2, 2013 at 10:37 a.m.
delmar said...

The voice of reason (unfortunately a mere whisper now).

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/28/dennis_kucinich_on_the_fiscal_cliff

Careful what you believe, and don't be afraid to question anything.

January 2, 2013 at 11:02 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Obama wins! Americans lose, especially our children.

Remember, Alexander and Corker both voted for this most recent abomination. We might as well have democrat representation in the Senate for TN.

Fleischmann voted against it, but I am not sure he can be counted on in the future.

January 2, 2013 at 11:41 a.m.
tderng said...

BRP...Alexander has always voted for tax increases. Even when Governor of Tennessee he cost me my job twice by raising taxes on the business I worked in as a young man. I wouldn't vote for him for dog-catcher.

January 2, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Fairmon/Harp3339 said: “I can't stand Obama's ignorance, if he is a leader I could be the pope. I get the impression you fantasize about being his Monica. Obama thinks he can change the world. A person like that is more dangerous than a crooked politician.”

I don’t believe it’s President Obama’s alleged intellectual shortcomings that unsettle you, Fairmon/Harp3339. If ignorance were your concern, I think you would have expressed some kind dismay about the whole subject of ignorance among politicians in some your posts by now and from what I can tell you seem to have a exceptionally high tolerance for both ignorance and corruption among politicians. No, I suspect your disdain for President Obama stems from the fact that he is one of those politicians who has addressed and continues to address real human needs, and we all know from reading your posts how you look down on anyone who attempts to address issues involving real human needs.

Speaking of real human needs, I note the House Republicans have reneged on their promise to take up this week an emergency supplemental disaster aid bill for Northeast states damaged by Hurricane Sandy:

“House Republicans abruptly pulled the plug Tuesday night on their promise to take up this week an emergency supplemental disaster aid bill for Northeast states damaged by Hurricane Sandy.

The decision is a stunning reversal since just hours before New Jersey lawmakers were preparing for floor debate Wednesday as outlined under a strategy promoted by no less than Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.).

Indeed the Appropriations Committee had gone so far as to file a $27 billion bill Tuesday together with an amendment to be offered by Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.) seeking an additional $33 billion to match the Senate passed package of last week.

Absent a change of heart, the upshot now is that the Senate bill will die with this Congress on Thursday at noon. And the whole affair is sure to bring back memories of the famous Daily News headline in 1975—“Ford to City: Drop Dead.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/house-pulls-plug-on-sandy-aid-bill-85661.html#ixzz2Gq4WMEy2

January 2, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"Deal is immoral- ie, asking kids and grandkids to pay for our credit cards. Ds including the Pres and VP should not cheer. Our kids lost" -Lanny Davis, Democrat"

"Americans lose, especially our children."


Myth No. 5: Deficits create tax burdens for future generations

“President Bill Clinton was able to balance the budget for a short period of time in the early 90s because of a booming economy and a tax increase. That surplus didn’t last. They are not permanent, nor do they have to be. Nearly 20 years after that surplus has been erased to record deficits, taxes are lower than ever. This myth states that deficits are great burdens of repayment for our children because there are more Treasury bonds outstanding that need to be paid off. That would only be the case if you assumed that all of that debt had to be paid off by a certain date. It does not have to be paid off by a certain date. It just gets rolled over. The U.S. has had Treasury debt outstanding since 1791 and has never paid down the total outstanding. It’s paid off bonds with maturity dates that required them to be paid, but it has often done so by just issuing new debt to pay off principal on outstanding debt reaching maturity. Issuance of Treasury bonds this year to support a larger deficit this year in an economy of high unemployment will not cause greater tax burdens for the future.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/12/05/author-examines-six-myths-about-u-s-economy/


"As a country we cannot impose huge debt burdens on our children. It is impossible, at least if we are referring to government debt. The reason is simple, at one point we will all be dead. That means that the ownership of our debt will be passed on to our children. If we have some huge thousand trillion dollar debt that is owed to our children, then how have we imposed a burden on them? There is a distributional issue -- Bill Gates children may own all the debt -- but that is within generations, not between generations. As a group, our children's well-being will be determined by the productivity of the economy, the state of the physical and social infrastructure and the environment."

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/david-brooks-is-projecting-his-self-indulgence-again?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+beat_the_press+%28Beat+the+Press%29


"And as Dean says, talking about leaving a burden to our children is especially nonsensical; what we are leaving behind is promises that some of our children will pay money to other children, which is a very different kettle of fish."

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/debt-is-mostly-money-we-owe-to-ourselves/

January 2, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
dude_abides said...

mountainlaurel said... "Speaking of real human needs, I note the House Republicans have reneged on their promise to take up this week an emergency supplemental disaster aid bill for Northeast states damaged by Hurricane Sandy"

Hmmm. If you're gonna flex your muscle by making cuts, you might as well start in areas that don't vote your way! Too many minorities there. Republicans (like harpmon) consider that foreign(er) aid.

Don't get mad fairmon, I didn't actually call fairmon or harp3339 Republican. It's an amalgamated name that doesn't necessarily represent anyone in particular. BTW, I'm not really dude_abides. I am just using his name for an as yet undetermined period. Therefore, anything I say may or may not be me, and cannot be held against me hereafter. I will let everyone know when I am myself again.

January 2, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
dude_abides said...

LOL! tu_ flips from "Cutty and pasties" to "cut and paste." I guess this morning she was 'businesslike, serious, professional tu_.' (spew)

January 2, 2013 at 1:13 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Well like most of the achievers that drive our economy, my family and I will find a way to survive and thrive no matter what the feds do." - MaxiMouse

Yeah, the "achievers" drive the economy all right. They drive it in such a way that enriches them more and more and doesn't do a damn thing for the economy in general. The very wealthy will no doubt "find a way to thrive and survive" because the system is rigged entirely in their favor. Once a certain degree of wealth is attained it's not just hard work and initiative that keep their money growing but investments, loopholes, tax havens, etc. Yes, some of the wealthy create jobs but too many of those jobs are service sector jobs that pay pitiful Walmart-scale wages. The economy will not flourish again until there is an abundance of decent paying jobs that revitalize the middle class. Given the state of affairs in this country now, the wealthy are more of a bane than a blessing. "Achievers that drive our economy?" That's really funny.

January 2, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus notes that Rickaroo's post above reeks of plain old jealousy

January 2, 2013 at 1:30 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Rickaroo notes that rebus doesn't know his ass from his mouth. Crap comes out both of his orifices.

January 2, 2013 at 1:40 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus notes rickaroo doesn't deny anything. Yeah, jealousy seems about right.

January 2, 2013 at 1:43 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Dude_abides notes: “Hmmm. If you're gonna flex your muscle by making cuts, you might as well start in areas that don't vote your way! Too many minorities there. Republicans (like harpmon) consider that foreign(er) aid.”

Indeed, the radical ideologies of some of these House Republicans make them unfit to govern, and N.Y.’s Rep. Peter King is showing us how to get rid of them:

"WASHINGTON -- Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) is going after his fellow House Republicans after party leaders pulled a Hurricane Sandy relief bill from a floor vote on Tuesday, saying that New York and New Jersey residents should stop giving these lawmakers political contributions.

"I'm saying right now, anyone from New York or New Jersey who contributes one penny to congressional Republicans is out of their minds," he said in an interview on Fox News. "Because what they did last night was put a knife in the back of New Yorkers and New Jerseyans. It was an absolute disgrace."

The House adjourned on Tuesday night without passing the $60.4 billion Sandy relief package that the Senate approved last week. The 113th Congress will be sworn in on Thursday, meaning that the House and Senate would have to restart the entire legislative process if it takes it up."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/peter-king-sandy-aid_n_2396281.html

January 2, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
jesse said...

Rebus done went and got Jesse almost fired up enough to CHANGE HIS HANDLE!!!

Hey Rebus,whadda ya think about "YODA" .!Think that might keepum awake at night??? LMFAO!!

January 2, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Good thing we did something about our spending. Yes, that's it, we weren't collecting enough tax dollars.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/stunning-graphic-shows-possible-reason-the-house-gop-is-balking-at-senates-fiscal-cliff-bill/

Is there anyone that really thinks we helped the situation with this last bill?

January 2, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.
Rebus said...

Rebus observes that dems show no inclination to do anything at all about spending.

January 2, 2013 at 3:18 p.m.
delmar said...

To mountainlaurel, real patriotic of them huh? Another good article on this farce.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/02/house-republicans-kill-hurricane-sandy-relief-bill.html

January 2, 2013 at 3:43 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Delmar notes: "real patriotic of them huh? Another good article on this farce."

Good article. . . Thanks, Delmar. . . Indeed, you would think that natural disasters like Hurricane Sandy would be a “no-brainer,” but as Avlon suggests the House Republicans are a “dysfunctional” group. Their priorities are warped and their attitude stinks. It’s also good to see some Republicans calling it like it is:

“WASHINGTON -- New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) lit into House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Republicans Wednesday for not holding a vote on a Hurricane Sandy relief bill.

"There is only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims: the House majority and their speaker, John Boehner," he said. "This is not a Republican or Democratic issue. Natural disasters happen in red states and blue states and states with Democratic governors and Republican governors. We respond to innocent victims of natural disasters, not as Republicans or Democrats, but as Americans. Or at least we did until last night. Last night, politics was placed before oaths to serve our citizens. For me, it was disappointing and disgusting to watch."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/chris-christie-sandy_n_2396537.html

January 2, 2013 at 4:26 p.m.
delmar said...

Hehheh, good stuff tu_quoque. Another take on the cluster f**k that Sandy uncovered is the piss poor condition of the infrastructure. A portion of the article on grist.org. Oh for christs sake,, I can't get the part of the article I want to paste correctly, so here's the article.

Full article - http://grist.org/news/hyper-dysfunctional-congress-punts-on-sandy-relief/

January 2, 2013 at 4:59 p.m.
Rebus said...

Al Jazeera is finalizing a deal to take over Current TV, the low-rated cable channel that was founded by Al Gore and his business partners seven years ago.

Maybe Keith Olbermann will finally find a home.

January 2, 2013 at 5 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Hey, Jack_, looks like there may be a new disability claim you can take advantage of! Didn't you say you'd had an operation involving pelvic mesh? Call 1 (800) BAD DRUG and you might be able to pick up another monthly check! Yeah, Jack_Dennis & pelvic mesh...

January 2, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Delmar notes: "Another take on the cluster fk that Sandy uncovered is the piss poor condition of the infrastructure. A portion of the article on grist.org."

Informative article. . . Thanks again, Delmar. I think these natural disasters like Hurricane Sandy have made it clear that the U.S. urgently needs to invest in some preventative measures that could make future storms less deadly, but we have a shortage of savvy pragmatic leaders in this country starting with these House Republicans. Clearly, these people are not thinkers and problem solvers – they're dysfunctional knee jerkers with crazed ideologies:

“What makes the House’s inaction even more disconcerting is how it would sliced down the aid package in the first place. Much of the tens of billions House Republicans wanted to excise was funding for preventative measures, research and infrastructure that could make future storms less deadly — and costly.”

http://grist.org/news/hyper-dysfunctional-congress-punts-on-sandy-relief/

January 2, 2013 at 7:49 p.m.
Rebus said...

Speaker Boehner apparently tells Harry Reid to "go eff yourself".

First smart thing the Speaker has said lately.

January 2, 2013 at 8:57 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque says: “After the disasters the local officials jump up and down making a dust storm etc. . . FEMA has enough funding to provide all of the emergency assistance that area needs until spring so they will be aided at least until then.”

Are you deliberately trying to mislead us in regard to the FEMA issue, Tu_quoque? You speak of dust storms but the issue involves floods:

“The federal government's mandatory flood insurance program will exhaust its borrowing authority and run out of money to pay claims from Hurricane Sandy sometime next week, Federal Emergency Management Agency officials said Wednesday.

The Senate passed a $60.2 billion storm relief bill last week that included $9.7 billion for federal flood insurance, but House leaders unexpectedly failed to bring the bill to the floor for a vote Tuesday night, saying the bill would be taken up by the new Congress.

"We urge timely congressional action with regard to the pending supplemental to continue to meet survivor needs," Dave Miller, a FEMA official, said in a statement.

FEMA's announcement came as House Republican leaders faced mounting criticism, much of it from within their own party, for their decision to scrap a planned vote on the aid package for states devastated by Hurricane Sandy.

House Appropriations Chairman Hal Rogers (R-Ky.) said Wednesday that the Federal Emergency Management Agency had "plenty of money" and that the failure to pass the aid bill would not impact relief and recovery efforts. "There's no immediate needs," Rogers told CNN.

But a FEMA spokesman, who was not authorized to comment on the record, said that Rogers was referring to a federal disaster relief fund, which provides grants to storm victims to address housing and other needs. While the disaster relief program has enough funding to last through the spring, the flood insurance program has only a week's worth of funding left.

"The real critical issue now" is the flood insurance program, the FEMA spokesman said.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/02/fema-flood-insurance-sandy-aid-bill_n_2397731.html

January 2, 2013 at 9:01 p.m.
GameOn said...

5 days to look at a bill and impossible to add pork.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSgoHSqIYtY&sns=em

January 2, 2013 at 10:16 p.m.
GameOn said...

Nick Badalamenti emails to point out that the bill has a tax break for railroads in it. ABC reports: [...] buried in the fine print of the 150-page deal are also some lesser-known New Year’s gifts to some of Washington’s favorite industries[...]

$331 million for railroads by allowing short-line and regional operators to claim a tax credit up to 50 percent of the cost to maintain tracks that they own or lease. In February 2012, Bloomberg reported that in addition to spending billions on core railroad projects: Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. plans to boost [other] capital spending at its railroad. The railroad’s plan calls for $400 million in terminal, intermodal-expansion and efficiency projects, including on coal routes. The rail serves mines in the Western U.S., including Wyoming’s Powder River Basin, which holds the largest and cheapest U.S. reserves of the power-plant fuel. Badalamenti concludes: That Buffett sure is a genius, isn't he? It's almost like he made that investment with some form of advance knowledge huh? lol

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/01/tax-break-included-in-fiscal-cliff-bill.html?m=1

January 2, 2013 at 11:17 p.m.
raygunz said...

tu_quoque ,,post at 653,, that some scary S H # T,huh?

how many Americans even know this is going on? how many don't care? Bless the ACLU

January 2, 2013 at 11:41 p.m.
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