published Wednesday, January 11th, 2012

The Gavel

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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January 11, 2012 at 12:32 a.m.
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alprova said...

You have to imagine that after many years as a judge, that one eventually loses respect for people in general. When that loss of respect begins to worm its way into your actions as a judge, maybe it's time to consider a career change.

People are imperfect. People make horrible mistakes in life. But according to our system of justice, everyone is entitled to the benefit of counsel when accused of a crime.

A man who sits in judgment of others is supposed to be impartial at all times when making decisions that have a detrimental impact on someone's life, no matter what.

Hopefully, Judge Moon will go forward with this goal in mind after being slapped on his wrists.

January 11, 2012 at 1:31 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Yeah, and would you rather face Judge Moon than face trial in North Korea, North Sudan, or dozens of such countries?

January 11, 2012 at 5:50 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

OF COURSE, AS IS USUAL WITH BENNETT, THE GAVEL SYMBOLIZES LIBERALISM AND SMASHES THE CONSERVATIVE POINT OF VIEW. FOR THE REST OF THE STORY, THE PART THE LIBERAL TFP LEFT OUT IN ITS REPORTING OF REPRIMAND, GO TO CHATTANOOGAN.COM, WHICH PROVIDES COMPLETE COVERAGE THAT SMASHES BACK, INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING:

Judge Stern had filed a 19-page multi-complaint based on what she previously said was a notebook she kept on Judge Moon for 10 years.

Judge Moon said the Court of the Judiciary "investigated and dismissed all of Judge Stern's complaints but one involving what the court described as a reluctant witness who I required to testify truthfully."

Judge Moon said several of his colleagues "filed letters with the court supporting my interpretation of the law and procedures referenced in my response. I am very humbled and grateful for the multitude of support from my colleagues and other members of the legal community. However, most importantly, it was the law and the code of judicial conduct that the court ultimately applied to those complaints, which resulted in their dismissal."

January 11, 2012 at 7:25 a.m.
quietreader said...

Sounds like Stern is trying to have a p-----g contest with Moon.

January 11, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

Well said Alprova although I'm not sure why you continue to try to refute feces flinging with logic and well reasoned arguments.

January 11, 2012 at 7:59 a.m.
alprova said...

andrewLohr inquired: "Yeah, and would you rather face Judge Moon than face trial in North Korea, North Sudan, or dozens of such countries?"

Let me respond with a question of my own.

What's the difference if our rules of conduct are being violated by a man who stands in judgment?

January 11, 2012 at 10 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

JoePulitzer said: Of course, as is usual with Bennett, the gavel symbolizes liberalism and smashes the conservative point of view.

Specifically, what is the conservative point of view in this case, JP? How does the gavel symbolize liberalism? I’m asking because I don’t see any partisan politics involved in the cartoon.

January 11, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
alprova said...

Joepulitzer, there seems to be a bit of a discrepancy between what Chattanoogan.com reported and what can be found elsewhere, including on this site and what was in print.

"Statewide, the court issued five public reprimands last year and three in 2010."

"Presiding Court of the Judiciary Judge Chris Craft sent Moon a letter dated Jan. 3, saying the court found Moon's actions in three instances violated the rule requiring judges to "respect and comply with the law and shall act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the Judiciary."..."

Given the choice between Chattanoogan.com and the TFP, I tend to trust what the TFP reported.

Further, the following legal site links to the same article;

http://www.court.us/idar5069751/tennessee_court_reprimands_hamilton_county_judge_bob_moon_s_actions.htm

<p>Chattanoogan.com is known for reflecting the ultra-conservative and one-sided opinions of John Wilson, and thus cannot be trusted to be impartial in much of what can be viewed on that site.

January 11, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.

The TFP should give alprova her own commentary column and place it near Grin and Bear It.

January 11, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
alprova said...

bookieturnersghost wrote: "The TFP should give alprova her own commentary column and place it near Grin and Bear It."

First of all, I am very much a man.

Second, you are as free as anyone else to disprove a thing I write, with credible sources.

January 11, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "First of all, I am very much a man."

That is pretty funny. IF you are so very much a man it seems odd that you are so commonly confused as being of the female gender.

January 11, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

By the way. Bennett sucks again.

How about a cartoon of Obama dressed up as Willy Wonka, declaring how he is feeling our pain.

How about Obama pontificating about encouraging jobs while he reaches back behind the podium with a gavel, smacking a businessman in the head.

How about Obama posing like the Lion King with "Jobs" splashed across his chest with his administrative pack of hyenas chasing a herd of businessmen across the plain below.

How about Obama declaring he is for civil liberty with is right hand in the air while his left hand signs NDAA.

The Wart’s ideology causes him to pass up all of the best material.

January 11, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "That is pretty funny. IF you are so very much a man it seems odd that you are so commonly confused as being of the female gender."

I would assume that this is because my username ends in an "a". It's a combination of my first and last name.

None of us truly knows the gender of anyone who posts unless they reveal it at some point.

I think most everyone who has been around in here for awhile, including yourself, is well aware that I am of the male persuasion.

January 11, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Alprova said: “Chattanooga.com is known for reflecting the ultra-conservative and one-sided opinions of John Wilson, and thus cannot be trusted to be impartial in much of what can be viewed on that site.

Can you explain what the conservative point of view is in regard to this Judge Moon matter, and why Joe Pulitzer feels the gavel in Bennett’s cartoon symbolizes liberalism? At this point, I’ve read a number of news articles about the reprimand, but it seems to me that all of the articles are presenting the same basic facts about the incidents involved.

January 11, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood. We have repugnants calling repugnants "Vulture Capitalists". It just doesn't get better than that.

January 11, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "By the way. Bennett sucks again."

Back on track I see.

"How about a cartoon of Obama dressed up as Willy Wonka, declaring how he is feeling our pain."

"Feeling our pain" was Bill Clinton's line.

"How about Obama pontificating about encouraging jobs while he reaches back behind the podium with a gavel, smacking a businessman in the head."

Because like most all other conservative talking points, it's rooted in complete falsehood.

I challenge you to post just one...one...thing that the President has had a direct hand in, that proves that he is working against business.

"How about Obama posing like the Lion King with "Jobs" splashed across his chest with his administrative pack of hyenas chasing a herd of businessmen across the plain below."

Ditto the above.

"How about Obama declaring he is for civil liberty with is right hand in the air while his left hand signs NDAA."

Coming from a conservative, that's hilarious. GWB signed NDAA's eight times with very much the same provisions in them. Where was your outrage then?

You're blaming the wrong person. John McCain and Carl Levin wrote the much criticized and applicable provisions you are referring to.

A great deal of misinformation is floating around out there about this year's NDAA. If you're interested, try reading some truth to the matter;

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/confused-about-ndaa-and-detention-provision

"The Wart’s ideology causes him to pass up all of the best material."

That's strictly your opinion and nothing more. As always, there are plenty of sites you can frequent where you can enjoy mental orgasms of such tripe.

Just remember that this forum is sponsored by Clay Bennett and the TFP. It never has been and it never will be yours.

January 11, 2012 at 12:18 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

onetinsoldier said... "It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood. We have repugnants calling repugnants "Vulture Capitalists". It just doesn't get better than that."

Perry, Santorum, Gingrich and Huntsman should bow out so Paul and Romney can slug it out.

January 11, 2012 at 12:19 p.m.
potcat said...

On Monday night, Republican Senate Speaker Ron Ramsey from Blountville TN. held a dinner at a Nashville steakhouse for his Republicans Achieving A Majority PAC.

According to a copy of the invitation, annual contributions that add up to $20,000 or more gave donors a "private dinner in the city of your choice" with Ramsey and earned them the designation of "lieutenants." Ramsey is a state's lieutenant governor.

Contributions of $20,000 or more also came with entry into Monday night's Nashville event, which included "top legislative leaders and committee chairman" as well as invitations to regional meetings to "discuss the top issues facing Tennessee's future."

As a bonus, donors were offered a " commemorative, personalized Tennessee Senate GAVEL and photo opportunity with Lieutenant Governor and Senate Speaker Ron Ramsey,"the invitation said.

This little News story was buried on the back page of the Metro section of todays papper. "Legislators,lobbyist beat donor clock."

There has been so much shady stuff going on lately, that i believe thats the reason they quit the comments on these must read topics, and if this did'nt need discussion and comments, nothing does. Bring this out into the light of day to be commented on.No way CTFP says,and that shows what this Papper has become.

Go and read this article, its sad but funny too.

January 11, 2012 at 12:43 p.m.
alprova said...

mountainlaurel wrote: "Can you explain what the conservative point of view is in regard to this Judge Moon matter, and why Joe Pulitzer feels the gavel in Bennett’s cartoon symbolizes liberalism?"

I'm like you in amazement that politics has infiltrated this subject.

This is merely a guess and my personal opinion, but anyone that fails to see the wrong in what Judge Moon did, is apparently on board with limiting the legal rights to council and time enough to prepare a defense by those accused of a crime, up to and including amending the crime that the accused was charged with initially by a judge.

I will also hazard a guess that there are people on this planet, some of whom frequent this forum, who are of the mistaken opinion that everything Mr. Bennett draws, is anti-conservative, anti-Republican, etc.

How many times have there been people who complain that Mr. Bennett does not pay enough attention to local issues, and yet, every time he does, the comment count drops like a rock. Some people just don't have the courage of their convictions.

January 11, 2012 at 12:45 p.m.
onetinsoldier said...

Romney will be lucky to get out of South Carolina without losing his temple panties. Cult vs Cult. Paul is an idiot savant. Gingrich is a sleazeball with matches. Santorum?? Look it up. Perry?? A good reason to keep Texas educational material out of the hands of children. That leaves you Huntsman, but repugnants consider him an itellectual because his IQ is above 80. He has no chance of getting repugnant support. Thankfully. Obama punched his ticket way back.

So BRP, you should probably pace yourself. You still have 5 years and 11 days to hate on Obama.

January 11, 2012 at 12:56 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Alprova, I know you love Clay Bennett and seem to dedicate your life to defend him from any dissenting views. I was wondering, how did you get to this point in your life, that you have nothing better to do than to devote hundreds if not thousands of words in defense of The Wart every day? Are you sure you are not Clay Bennett, or his lover?

January 11, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

onetinsoldier said... "So BRP, you should probably pace yourself. You still have 5 years and 11 days to hate on Obama."

For your sake and mine, I sure hope you are wrong!

January 11, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP opined: "Alprova, I know you love Clay Bennett and seem to dedicate your life to defend him from any dissenting views."

Nope. I only respond when your obsession with the man goes overboard.

"I was wondering, how did you get to this point in your life, that you have nothing better to do than to devote hundreds if not thousands of words in defense of The Wart every day?"

I don't defend him every day. See answer number one.

"Are you sure you are not Clay Bennett, or his lover?"

I am most certainly not Mr. Bennett and your last three words are merely the indication of someone with a very juvenile mind. What are you...fifteen years old?

The answer is no.

January 11, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "Then he links to Crooksandliars.com"

"LMAO"

Can you refute the contents contained in that article, or is the entire crux of your response merely to illustrate that your comment is pointless?

January 11, 2012 at 1:49 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

tu_quoque said... "If (Huntsman) is so @#$% smart why is he wasting his time and some of his fortune running in political campaigns that he has near zero chance of winning."

I was wondering recently if some of these guys are staying in at the behest of the establishment republicans so they can keep the "Anti-Romney" vote divided until Romney has an insurmountable amount of delegates.

January 11, 2012 at 2:17 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Alprova said: "I'm like you in amazement that politics has infiltrated this subject.This is merely a guess and my personal opinion, but anyone that fails to see the wrong in what Judge Moon did, is apparently on board with limiting the legal rights to council and time enough to prepare a defense by those accused of a crime."

Thanks for the response, Alprova. I was just having difficulty understanding Joe Pulitzer's comment about the gavel in Bennett's cartoon today symbolizing liberalism. Glad to hear it wasn't just me having difficulty understanding Pulitzer's point in regard to the Moon reprimand.

January 11, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.
timbo said...

Is this the "alprova show?" How many response are you going to write? I guess business is really bad with all your free time.

You said you were male but didn't say you were a man. It seems you have a very active feminine side. Liberalism is effeminate.

On the subject, Judge Moon might or not have made a mistake or two but his "judges" are other lawyers and the ABA is notoriously democrat and liberal. I see this "reprimand" as being a partisan slap at a conservative judge. It means nothing. Nothing will come of this except the stupid liberal comments on web sites like this.

Bennett is a piss ant.

Alprova....andrewLohr inquired: "Yeah, and would you rather face Judge Moon than face trial in North Korea, North Sudan, or dozens of such countries?"

You said "Let me respond with a question of my own.

What's the difference if our rules of conduct are being violated by a man who stands in judgment?"

You comment is asinine. Let me tell you the difference. In North Korea their wouldn't have been a trial. They would have just shot you in the head. In the Sudan you would probably have your head cut off for DUI. Not quite the same as Judge Moon's court.

Your comment was completely ludicrous.

January 11, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "No Al my point was to exhibit your mindless rank hypocrisy."

Then you made no point at all. That article was a quote from another source and it included quotes contained in the NDAA that the President signed.

It detailed the misrepresentations being spread and it trounced them effectively. That made it very credible.

No hypocrisy on my part. Regardless of where it was hosted, the information contained in that article was very credible and you nor anyone else can refute it.

January 11, 2012 at 4:16 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo said: “his "judges" are other lawyers and the ABA is notoriously democrat and liberal. I see this "reprimand" as being a partisan slap at a conservative judge.”

If this judge felt he was not quilty in regard to the misconduct complaints, why didn’t he seize the opportunity to contest the findings and prove these alleged notorious democrats and liberals wrong, Timbo. As I understand it from reading TFP’s editorial, the Judge was offered a choice: “He could accept a public reprimand regarding charges, or contest the investigative findings. He chose the latter, signing an agreement -- akin to a plea bargain -- to accept a public reprimand.”

January 11, 2012 at 4:27 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "I guess it wouldn’t do any good to point out that their students perform at a level higher than some states that Libtards think are highly rated."

What states would those be?

January 11, 2012 at 4:30 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "Is this the "alprova show?" How many response are you going to write?"

As many as I want to.

"I guess business is really bad with all your free time."

Actually business is great, thank you very much. As a businessman and an employer, I find myself having the time to pop in to see what's up several times per day. I have a nice new P.C. right here on my desk that allows me to do so.

"You said you were male but didn't say you were a man. It seems you have a very active feminine side. Liberalism is effeminate."

You need to go back up there and re-read what I wrote. I categorically stated that I was indeed a man. As to your opinion of liberalism being effeminate, well, your opinion is inconsequential.

"On the subject, Judge Moon might or not have made a mistake or two but his "judges" are other lawyers and the ABA is notoriously democrat and liberal."

Really? To some of you people, everything is political. Correct me if I am wrong, but Bob Moon's political alliance has never been established, has it? Nothing I read gives me any reason to believe that his actions on the bench are a result of him swaying one way or the other.

"I see this "reprimand" as being a partisan slap at a conservative judge. It means nothing. Nothing will come of this except the stupid liberal comments on web sites like this."

Do you have any proof that Bob Moon is indeed a "Conservative Judge?"

"Alprova....andrewLohr inquired: "Yeah, and would you rather face Judge Moon than face trial in North Korea, North Sudan, or dozens of such countries?"

"You said "Let me respond with a question of my own."

"What's the difference if our rules of conduct are being violated by a man who stands in judgment?"

"You comment is asinine. Let me tell you the difference. In North Korea their wouldn't have been a trial. They would have just shot you in the head. In the Sudan you would probably have your head cut off for DUI. Not quite the same as Judge Moon's court."

"Your comment was completely ludicrous."

Well again, you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't see how you are in any position to have first-hand knowledge of systems of justice in any country other than our own. You're fed the same propaganda that is fed to all the rest of us.

My comment was spot on. When a Judge steps out of line, people are denied justice. That is not supposed to happen in our country.

I'm in no manner suggesting that Judge Moon is a bad man. I'm merely suggesting that it is possible for him or anyone else in his position, to allow his sensibilities to become clouded after many years dealing with the reality of our society.

He's been given a course correction and he responded appropriately. Case closed.

January 11, 2012 at 4:53 p.m.
dude_abides said...

OMG! tu_quoque! Remember the other day when you admitted that you had used the term cognitive dissidence (instead of dissonance) incorrectly, and that I must be really pleased with myself for having caught it? Well, look at the name of the website I found in an effort to check on your link and its political neutrality! Isn't that a coincidence? Sadly, it takes the dailycaller (your link above)to task for being a right wing BS rag.

http://cognidissidence.blogspot.com/2011/08/daily-caller-more-media-bias.html

January 11, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.

That "voter fraud" was also a stunt by an outside group, which only proves that agent provacteurs are a problem.

I suggest we prosecute the real criminals, namely the people violating recording laws with their sham journalism.

Kinda amusing that the people committing the fraud are those complaint about it. What kind of problem is it when you have to manufacture your own incidents? Do they have stock in lamination companies?

January 11, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "Al baby, what is going on here? These people are not showing how to vote fraudulently while not showing an I.D., are they?"

It's easy to see what is going on in that video. James O’Keefe and his minions asked for ballots under the names of recently deceased voters. Wow! What an investigative reporter he is.

That in no manner suggests that there are actually people who reside in that state and who actually cast votes, would or did do the same thing. We debated this last week and the instance of it occurring is near zero nationwide.

Even funnier, is the suggestion that it only could or would occur by voters of Democrats.

I'm quite sure that each and every person who asked for ballots in the name of dead people, even for the purposes of making a horribly slanted hit piece YouTube video, was guilty of a crime. O'Keefe made a false statement in suggesting that actual votes had been cast and that he had it on video.

Let's see what comes out of this. O'Keefe and company may find himself in hot water all over again.

January 11, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.
rolando said...

Great link, tu_quoque. ACORN exposed all over again, It shows exactly why the libtards are so set against Photo ID.

January 11, 2012 at 5:35 p.m.

You mean another case of misrepresentations and lies from a disreputable source? It shows how consrvatives afabricate their own problems to run against.

What next? Crashing the economy again? Passing out a nuclear bomb? Faking up a Kenyan birth certificate?

January 11, 2012 at 5:46 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque said: "People ... excuse me ... Libtards keep pointing out how intelligent Huntsman is and that the GOP just can't see the truth. If he is so @#$% smart why is he wasting his time and some of his fortune running in political campaigns that he has near zero chance of winning."

Why have you singled out Huntsman, Tu_quoque? A lot of Republicans are saying Ron Paul is wasting his time and has zero chance of winning against such a fierce corporate pretzel like Romney: the job cremator. Shouldn’t you be lecturing Ron Paul for wasting his time? As for the “libtards” you referenced, I certainly can understand why some democrats like Kevin Drum are saying decent things about Huntsman:

The first is the one that lots of people have already pointed out: he doesn't spend all his time making apocalyptic statements about Barack Obama being the anti-Christ and Democrats leading the United States into penury and decline. He says he believes in evolution and global warming rather than claiming these are vast conspiracies of the scientific community. This kind of thing matters.

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/01/jon-huntsman-moderate-radical

January 11, 2012 at 5:49 p.m.
rolando said...

You better stick to your bulbs, happy.

Seen much of ACORN lately? They are still around but traveling under an assumed name. Expose is a powerful tool...and isn't used enough. Your sides sweetpants honey, FatButt Moore, used it to good effect...even though his weren't accurate.

Bawney and Dodd brought down the housing market that began it all. You got me with the nuke reference. And faking a birth certificate for The Obama has already been done...it just wasn't from Kenya.

January 11, 2012 at 6:02 p.m.

Rolando, you mean lies can destroy somebody before the truth comes out? This is not news, mark Twain knew that. So did Lincoln, Jackson, William ShakespEare and Socrates. If you want to complain about Moore, go ahead, but at least he didn't try to bug a Senator's office.

Exposing the truth is one thing, O'Keefe covers it up with his own lies. And it was Gramm and friends who broke the system keeping the Wall Street wizards from breaking the system. Surprised you ain't heard about the nukes, seems only Ron Paul doesn't go into a frothing rage over them. Not surprised at all you are still buying into the birther delusion though. Even without that evidence, who would his mother be?

Tq, the problem with such measurements is that their is no national education standard, plus students themselves are quite uneven.

But really, a false incident, by somebody outside the system, acting to create a story to bandy about? That really does show that it's not a real problem. When you can't produce real incidents, making your own tends to stand out.

And yes, a messenger who tells you false messages should probably be dealt with. Or do you think somebody should be allowed to lie to you about problems? And O'Keefe doesn't just cry Wolf, he kills a sheep just to make everybody go through the trouble of searching the woods. And then what happens? The Vikings burn the town because everybody was wasting time looking for one fictional wolf.

January 11, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

HappyWithNewBulbs said: “Kinda amusing that the people committing the fraud are those complaint about it. What kind of problem is it when you have to manufacture your own incidents?

I believe many of these people in the Republican party abandoned their morals and values sometime ago – most likely during the Bush/Cheney era. They’re operating now like some of these ruthless corporate sleazes who believe they have a right to pollute the air, poison the groundwater, cheat consumers, rip off investors, and endanger the safety of the public. Bloomberg News columnist William Cohen describes the type rather well in his column: “Did Psychopaths Take Over Wall Street Asylum?:”

“It took a relatively obscure former British academic to propagate a theory of the financial crisis that would confirm what many people suspected all along: The "corporate psychopaths" at the helm of our financial institutions are to blame.

Clive R. Boddy, most recently a professor at the Nottingham Business School at Nottingham Trent University, says psychopaths are the 1 percent of "people who, perhaps due to physical factors to do with abnormal brain connectivity and chemistry" lack a "conscience, have few emotions and display an inability to have any feelings, sympathy or empathy for other people."

As a result, Boddy argues in a recent issue of the Journal of Business Ethics, such people are "extraordinarily cold, much more calculating and ruthless towards others than most people are and therefore a menace to the companies they work for and to society."

. . . Boddy doesn't name names, but the type of personality he describes is recognizable to all from the financial crisis.

He says the unnamed "they" seem "to be unaffected" by the corporate collapses they cause. These psychopaths "present themselves as glibly unbothered by the chaos around them, unconcerned about those who have lost their jobs, savings and investments, and as lacking any regrets about what they have done.

They cheerfully lie about their involvement in events, are very convincing in blaming others for what has happened and have no doubts about their own worth and value. They are happy to walk away from the economic disaster that they have managed to bring about, with huge payoffs and with new roles advising governments how to prevent such economic disasters."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2012/01/03/bloomberg_articlesLX0Z3W0UQVI9.DTL#ixzz1iR3o5rzs

January 11, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
Lr103 said...

tu_quoque said... onetinyshoulder sez... “A good reason to keep Texas educational material out of the hands of children.”One Tiny seems to be “hateing” on Texas’ educational system. I guess it wouldn’t do any good to point out that their students perform at a level higher than some states that Libtards think are highly rated. January 11, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.

Having lived in Texas for several years I can factually state the above is Not true, tu_quoque. Texas gives the appearance of higher student performance in its school system. When the truth is their quick to throw most of their students into alternative schools at the drop of a hat where there's no specific record keeping on student performance. Texas alternative schools are primarily a dumping ground where abuse is the norm for many Texas students.

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January 11, 2012 at 6:51 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "I wasn't trying to refute the information on you little web site, that you linked to."

I'm well aware of the fact that you cannot refute it.

"I was just once again showing how you Libtards want to be spoon feed your talking points from only Libtard news sources."

Actually, there was little, if anything, partisan about it. There are more left-wingers upset that the President signed this year's NDAA than there are Right-wingers. The only exception to that generalization are Ron Paul supporters.

"You won't even consider something from a web site you have determined is untrustworthy but you will accept just about any rumor, as the truth, from your favorites without question."

The reason you cannot refute the source I posted is because the analysis provided direct quotes from the NDAA documents. No rumor, just 100% facts and the truth.

Why are you protesting that which you cannot refute? Give up the ghost already.

January 11, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.

tq: It's my personal opinion that the FBI arrested him for it? You must be too used to the concept of a self-constructed reality, if you think it's just a matter of evidence.

James O'Keefe's produced what? That he can pretend to do something in order to give us false evidence of something to worry about? So what, didn't we know that already?

Besides, I've said on this site, I'd be fine with the idea if my conditions on the provision of ID was met, namely that it be a duty of the state to give it to you. That means no charge for it, ready availability, and if they contested your identity, they had to seek out the evidence or not themselves.

But my, we're way off topic here. I guess nobody has anything useful to say about this situation. Judge did bad. Judge got spanked. End of Story.

January 11, 2012 at 7:41 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "Who tried to bug a senators office? If it's the situation that I think you are referencing I'm calling a foul and throwing a B.S. flag on you."

Those charges were reduced from a felony to that of misdemeanor counts of entering a federal building under false pretenses. He and his cohorts clearly and deliberately deceived both building security and the Senator's staff by using phony identities.

In an interview on Sean Hannity's Fox News talk show after his arrest, O'Keefe said he didn't think the group broke any laws and insisted he was using techniques commonly employed by 'investigative journalists.'

O'Keefe was sentenced to three years probation, 100 hours of community service, and a $1,500 fine for having trespassed. He may have violated his parole with this latest stunt.

"If and/or when these videos are vetted this is going to be very big news. From what I have seen these people have the evidence that they need to destroy your Libtard talking points about I.D.'s."

When that video is vetted by legal authorities, it's very likely to land him in prison. In New Hampshire, it is patently illegal to procure a ballot under false pretenses, even if it isn't ever marked. He took possession of every ballot asked for before handing them back. Oops.

"LMAO ... When you guys try to spin information like this and you just end up on the ground thrashing around in the dirt."

Look, whatever you think of the man is meaningless. He's dangerous enough in his quest to seek fame and fortune, to do immense harm to his status as a free American. Eventually his luck is going to run out. That is no spin. That's a dire prediction.

January 11, 2012 at 7:45 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"make your case and then we will have something of substance to debate. Which will be a new experience for you." -du_fromage

Sorry, tu_. I didn't realize it was off limits, when pointing out the bias of your link, to mention the wacky coincidence regarding the name of the website involved and your accidental use of the word dissidence for dissonance. I mean, what are the odds? BTW, I think it says "comments" at the top of the page, not "debating exercises." Verily, your gingerbread man debating style is drab and likely indicative of your sociopathology at work and at home. But hey, any time you need to know the difference between confusion and disagreement, if there is a difference in your mind, lemme know.

January 11, 2012 at 8:44 p.m.

In terms of gain, it would probably be best to let O'Keefe keep engaging, he is his own downfall, and discredits his cause.

But that is far too risky, as it debases the community.such llies and sensationalism are quite unhealthy and divisive. Go ahead and embrace his tactics though, it will not take you where you really want to go.it will also come back to bite you.

Much like say Romney who took quotes out of context, he now finds himself on therecieving side. Not that he is going to admit it.

January 11, 2012 at 10:58 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "Willful ignorance, on your part, is not a successful debating style."

Your first mistake is in thinking that your opinion carries any weight in here.

"The matter under discussion was not the content of the stupid web site you link to."

I beg to differ. Blue Ridge Patriot posted the following, which I responded to: "How about Obama declaring he is for civil liberty with is right hand in the air while his left hand signs NDAA."

"The point was that you were employing a logic fallacy called "Ad hominem circumstantial" in your rejection of web sites that you disagree with and unquestioning acceptance of those that do agree with you."

I've posted no objections to information posted by a soul in months. You cannot saddle me with that one. Facts are facts and opinions are opinions. How sad it is that you fail to understand the difference between the two.

"As far as Mr. O'Keefe is concerned I can see where you would like to silence him as he has and is doing great damage to the Libtard talking points."

The man is a lousy amateur at best. Your positive assessment of his failures is very telling to your own state of mind. He is now under investigation by the authorities of New Hampshire for the willful violation of Federal election laws. Notably;

42 USC § 1973GG–10. CRIMINAL PENALTIES relevant parts being section (2)(b)):

A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office - knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by;

(A) the procurement or submission of voter registration applications that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held; or

(B) the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held,

shall be fined in accordance with title 18 (which fines shall be paid into the general fund of the Treasury, miscellaneous receipts (pursuant to section 3302 of title 31), notwithstanding any other law), or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

His level of "investigative reporting" is very much like entering a a bank, walking up to a teller and asking, "Will you give me money if I told you I had a gun?"

If the teller gives him some cash, and the game-player laughs and gives it back, does the teller just laugh at his joke too and give him a free bank calendar as a thanks for stopping by?

James O'Keefe may be a hero to you, but he may well have sealed his own fate this time in his feeble effort to attempt to prove a point.

January 12, 2012 at 4:19 a.m.
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