published Sunday, January 29th, 2012

Far more Americans conservative than liberal, Gallup says

Far more Americans continue to describe themselves as conservatives than as liberals, according to recent polling data.

Based on 20 surveys conducted by USA Today and Gallup in 2011, 40 percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative or very conservative, compared with only 21 percent who call themselves liberal or very liberal.

Conservatives also outnumber self-described moderates, who come in at 35 percent.

While conservatives have outnumbered liberals for decades, the percentage of Americans who see themselves as conservatives rose significantly soon after the election of President Barack Obama in 2008.

That is very likely an understandable reaction to his failed liberal policies -- a rebuke that voters delivered clearly to the president in the 2010 midterm elections.

The American people have good reason to deliver a similarly pointed message to the president this November, when he will be up for re-election.

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Asking people what they think they are is only part of the story. The real trick is to get information on what they truly believe.

This requires some subtlety, but I do suggest you look into it.

Besides, you know you don't have anything better to offer. Both of the two front-runners in the GOP primary have supported plans identical in all substantial ways to the president's. So despite their protests, you know they won't follow through. Their tax policies will result in only one thing, more deficits. Well two things, since the wealthy, aka them selves, will pay less. Oh, there is Newt's moon base prize, but you know that'll cost billions.

January 29, 2012 at 1:18 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Speaker Newt got the budget at least nominally balanced (using Social Security surpluses). President Obama gave us deficits bigger than Bush's, including Social Security deficits. Newt might get some things right; the big O is a big Zero politically.

January 29, 2012 at 3:32 a.m.
EaTn said...

It doesn't matter if you call a group of people liberal or conservative, when any one group takes major control for a long period of time that country is no longer easily changed to the will and good for all the people. History has proven that fact. So if I were a conservative, learning that a disproportionate majority of the population are conservative would be unnerving.

January 29, 2012 at 6:43 a.m.
conservative said...

Morality is the largest aspect of whether one is a Conservative or a Lieberal. Who is willing to admit they are immoral or evil?

The immoral behavior of the American people such as abortion, homosexuality, use of alcohol and drugs, sexual promiscuity, adultery, and decadence in general are proof enough that most are Lieberal.

January 29, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

sexual promiscuity, adultery...

Like Newt, right?

January 29, 2012 at 9:33 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Labels are misleading, and force a false dichotomy. The issues -- and the candidates -- are far more complex. (Ex.: Newt is a gluttonous, obese, adulterous, wife-dumping "conservative.")

January 29, 2012 at 9:37 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ayuh, and I'm a gainfully employed, tax-paying, faithful-to-my-spouse, law abiding, liberal who is atheist and supportive of gay rights and choice. Who'da thunk.

January 29, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
Plato said...

AndrewLohr said...

"Speaker Newt got the budget at least nominally balanced (using Social Security surpluses). President Obama gave us deficits bigger than Bush's"

So when budgets are balanced the Republcian House gets the credit not the Democratic president, but when there are deficits it's the Democratic president that gets the blame, not the Republican House. That logic is amusing to say the least :)

January 29, 2012 at 12:22 p.m.
librul said...

Ah, the power of propaganda and the shallowness of those whose views can be shaped by manipulable statistics...even though some statistics are probably quite uncomforting for Conservathug in any case...

"The Barna Research Group, an evangelical Christian organization that does surveys and research to better understand what Christians believe and how they behave, studied divorce rates in America in 1999 and found surprising evidence that divorce is far lower among atheists than among conservative Christians — exactly the opposite of what they were probably expecting... The highest divorce rates are in the Bible Belt: "Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Oklahoma round out the Top Five in frequency of divorce...the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average" of 4.2/1000 people. Nine states in the Northeast (Connecticut, Maine, New Hampshire, New York, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and Maryland) have the lowest divorce rates, averaging just 3.5/1000 people.

Barna isn't the only group to arrive at these numbers. Other researchers have also found that conservative Protestants get divorced more often than other groups, even more often than "mainline" Protestants. The fact that atheists and agnostics divorce less often than other religious groups was, however, surprising to many. Some have simply refused to believe it."

++++++++++ http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/15-familykids/42-new-marriage-and-divorce-statistics-released?q=divorce+conservative&fb_source=message

January 29, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
potcat said...

Evolution will solve the morally insane conservative. The poll had to have been conducted in the South, 20 yrs. from now a new generation will be inlighted and the old Lee Andersons will be looked upon as kooks, and they will all die off eventually anyway and it will be a new day!!!

January 29, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.
conservative said...

Another indicator of who is a Conservative or Lieberal is what one believes and how one votes on economic issues. Lieberals want the feds to provide their needs and wants ( a good working definition of a Socialist). They love welfare, food stamps, Socialist Security, Medicaid, Medicare, the Department of Education (to teach Socialism), and Obamination care to name a few. Of course the great majority of them vote Demoncrat. I have never met a Lieberal who wasn't a Socialist and I have never met a Socialist who wasn't a Lieberal.

January 29, 2012 at 3:30 p.m.

You might want to look at who is a conservative then. For example, they want the government to make sure everybody lives how they want, and only that. They love corporate welfare, corporate bailouts, government contracts, the Department of Defense (as long as it's used to fight their wars!), and using the justice system to declare them immune to all crimes and offenses against citizens, and they'd love to criminalize being homosexual, using contraceptives, and if you protest, they love to demonize you.

Case in point, the conservative above. Look at the example. Can't talk one word about his own ideas or proposals, just hatred for others. How's that working for you?

If you want to be virtuous, you have to show acts of virtue.

Can you?

January 29, 2012 at 3:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Sorry to bust your stereotype, conservative sweetie (may I call you sweetie?) I have never collected foodstamps, medicaid, medicare (too young), social security or welfare, I have never been a socialist, I think the department of education should be abolished and schools be in local control.

Sooo, you can take your stereotypes and shove them where the sun don't shine. Sweetie.

January 29, 2012 at 4:14 p.m.
LibDem said...

These surveys have meaning only to the extent respondents agree on the definitions of the terms.

'conservative' believes Liberals are evil and Conservatives like to make up cute names. There's no indication Gallup explained this when polling.

January 29, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
Plato said...

conservative said...

" I have never met a Lieberal who wasn't a Socialist and I have never met a Socialist who wasn't a Lieberal."

Then you're ignorant of the definitions of both terms.

January 29, 2012 at 4:25 p.m.
conservative said...

Lieberals hate our Constitution for it insures religious and economic freedom which are the main obstacles to the establishment of a Socialist state. The programs I mentioned previously are clearly unconstitutional and immoral in that they must be funded by confiscatory taxation. Money is property and the unconstitutional taking of it is just government theft and of couse at odds with many religions. Abortion kills over 1 million innocent lives a year and is clearly an abomination as well. Thus to the Lieberal, reference to GOD must be eradicated in our society. Now how many have this mindset and yet identify themselves as Conservative or Moderate to pollsters, because they still have a modicum of shame.

January 29, 2012 at 5:21 p.m.
LibDem said...

lkeithlu, I have great respect for your knowledge of education and admit my ignorance. However, the DoE, flawed though it is, should be the vehicle for consistency in education. Leaving this to local politicians is scary. Will kids outside Tennessee know the proper terminology to use when stomping a cross dresser? Will all kids know the parts of the Constitution written 4000 years ago?

January 29, 2012 at 5:30 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Lib Dem, there are ways to provide quality education while maintaining local control by using accreditation organizations. Schools can choose which organization's standards they would like to meet and what assessment tools are appropriate; parents hold school accountable for these. Independent schools do this already, and it WORKS. The DOE is too large and assumes 1 size fits all. Schools are all different, and reflect the socioeconomic profiles of their neighborhoods.

January 29, 2012 at 5:37 p.m.

Ikeithlu, the Department of Education has no effective authority in the United States, it's the local school boards that are in charge, at the county level, sometimes the state.

They are the ones failing the schools, not the federal agency which has little more than an advisory role. It doesn't run the schools, it doesn't hire or fire people. It doesn't even set curriculum.

It's not running anything. You want to go see a country with great schools across the nation? You will see that they do have a strong central education ministry.

conservative, sorry, but the federal government does have the authority to collect taxes, that's in the Constitution. You must still be living under the Articles of Confederation or something.

January 29, 2012 at 5:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Okay, happy. I can see your point! But I'm not sure why the DOE is necessary.

January 29, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.

Because parents don't all make good teachers.

Personally if I had one, and only one reform I could make to the school system, it'd be setting the school calendar. The model we have is inappropriate in length, hours, and interruptions.

January 29, 2012 at 5:51 p.m.
LibDem said...

lkeithlu, you're going all rational on me. The concept of local control is beguiling but kids go out into a world with standards that exceed local choices.

January 29, 2012 at 5:57 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I'm all for standards. But there are good models and standards out there that are not being used because of the inertia public schools must overcome to change.

January 29, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.
conservative said...

Many who call themselves Conservative or tell pollsters they are Conservative are unaware what a Conservative is. These sheep (sheep are dumb) have been led by the bad shepherds in the Lieberal mess media to believe that George Bush, Newt and Romney to name a few, are Conservative. These big government Republicans ( Demoncrats are the bigger government party) are NOT Conservative for the reasons I have mentioned previously. In short, those who want and vote for big government and even bigger government are NOT Conservative.

To state it another way these sheep are in fact Lieberals even though they call themselves Conservative in everyday life or to a pollster.

January 29, 2012 at 6:39 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

So are they saying that 40% of Americans now openly admit they're racist, intolerant bigots? That's what the term conservative has come to by synonymous with.

Where were these polls taken? How many responded? 10? 100? If four out of 10 people respond "yeah! I'm a conservative" don't you know the poll takers will say that was 40%? LOL

January 29, 2012 at 6:40 p.m.

You're forgetting the conservatives who declare themselves independents when they're Republican through and through.

I believe this was a poll of twenty thousand people. It could still be biased.

January 29, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.
Lr103 said...

Yes, polls are only as factual and the poll takers are honest. Polls can be very manipulating and suggestive. If polls are purposely taken in a highly known conservative area, then those polls are going to reflect in favor of conservatives. And please! Whatever you do, you can't confuse the term conservative with Christian values anymore. They are not one and the same.

The word conservative means different things to different people. One word has been taken and used to deceive. In some parts of the country and the individual, the word might very well mean the traditional family, with 2.5 children, mother and father, house with a white picket fence. Then just next door to that person it might mean the right to bear arms. On a street or two over the word may mean some bygone era where separate and unequal, segregation; segregated water fountains, eating facitilies, bathrooms, schools ruled the day. The term conservatve, to some, means going back to. Where? they haven't said, but there's nothing really to go back to unless you're dreaming and missing the days of segregation and Jim Crow and when people were hung from trees, brdige rafters and lamp poles like Christmas ornaments. Or maybe some are daydreaming about slavery even. Either way, where they want to take the country back to is not a good sign.

January 29, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.
acerigger said...

Good conservatives,huh? -- July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how "liberals" are "destroying America," walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

-- October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

-- December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear "dirty bomb" in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

-- April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.

-- April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama's purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.

-- May 2009: A "sovereign citizen" named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

-- February 2010: An angry tax protester named Joseph Ray Stack flies an airplane into the building housing IRS offices in Austin, Texas. (Media are reluctant to label this one "domestic terrorism" too.)

-- March 2010: Seven militiamen from the Hutaree Militia in Michigan and Ohio are arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate local police officers with the intent of sparking a new civil war.

-- May 2010: A "sovereign citizen" from Georgia is arrested in Tennessee and charged with plotting the violent takeover of a local county courthouse.

-- May 2010: A still-unidentified white man walks into a Jacksonville, Fla., mosque and sets it afire, simultaneously setting off a pipe bomb.

-- May 2010: Two "sovereign citizens" named Jerry and Joe Kane gun down two police officers who pull them over for a traffic violation, and then wound two more officers in a shootout in which both of them are eventually killed.

-- July 2010: An agitated right-winger and convict named Byron Williams loads up on weapons and drives to the Bay Area intent on attacking the offices of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU, but is intercepted by state patrolmen and engages them in a shootout and armed standoff in which two officers and Williams are wounded.

-- September 2010: A Concord, N.C., man is arrested and charged with plotting to blow up a North Carolina abortion clinic. The man, 26-year--old Justin Carl Moose, referred to himself as the "Christian counterpart to (Osama) bin Laden” in a taped undercover meeting with a federal informant

January 29, 2012 at 8:56 p.m.
conservative said...

I have to confess that I not only believe Lieberals are moral morons but that they are as dumb as a box of rocks as well. Lieberals hate George Bush, Newt, and Romney believing they are Conservatives because that is what the Lieberal mess media has told them. Lieberals are just too dumb to look at the evidence.

The rampant spending and the addition of the massive prescription drug program of George Bush and the Republicans did nothing to appease Lieberals for they are incorrigible and have an insatiable appetite for Socialism.

People may think this is Conservatism but they are Lieberals and would mistakenly identify themselves as a Conservative to a pollster.

January 29, 2012 at 8:57 p.m.

I'm pretty sure it's George Bush, Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney who have told us they're conservatives.

Who are we to disbelieve their self-identification, and their representations that they are standing up for such values? Especially when they get lauded for it.

January 29, 2012 at 9:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Curious to know what your definition of a "conservative" is, conservative. Care to articulate that for us?

Oh, and while you are at it, give us some examples of TROO CONSERVATIVES (TM) and what about them makes them members of this group. Be specific. No stereotypes please. You may include yourself, by the way.

January 29, 2012 at 9:32 p.m.
conservative said...

If the American people were Conservative would we have the debt we now have, the Department of Education and the control of it by Lieberals, a huge crime and drug problem, Lieberal professors indoctrinating the young and dumb in our universities, abortion, Godless "churches", acceptance and promotion of sexual deviance and atheism and Lieberals running the media?

January 29, 2012 at 9:37 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

conservative, that's not a definition. C'mon. Work with us here. We obviously don't know a conservative when we see one, as you have said that Bush, Romney and Gingrich don't fit the bill. So, who does?

January 29, 2012 at 9:46 p.m.

I believe saint would be the term, or if that has too religious an aspect, perhaps ethicals or virtuous.

January 29, 2012 at 10:08 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

crickets chirping

Well, color me surprised.

Move along, folks, nothing to see here.

January 29, 2012 at 10:11 p.m.
LibDem said...

There are indeed no conservative heroes. Those who label themselves conservative icons are only liberals in camo. Those of us who might wish to consider the conservative agenda have no roll models. Perhaps there is no conservative philosophy.

January 30, 2012 at 8:35 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Yeah. Conservative the coward has bolted this thread and is spewing on other threads this morning. Big surprise.

January 30, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
chet123 said...

the majority of American are democrat.....how about printing that FACT

February 1, 2012 at 8:03 a.m.
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