published Sunday, January 29th, 2012

E Pluribus Unum %

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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dude_abides said...

Hey, it's BRP! Are those us XCIX% liberals waiting for him to feed us? No, just a head count of Ron Paul voters.

January 29, 2012 at 12:15 a.m.

I wonder how long till somebody complains about the eagle. Or the olives and arrows. Not the leaves though.

January 29, 2012 at 12:58 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Mama eagle has nothing to give. She buys votes with money from productive chicks or borrowed for the next generation of chicks to pay off (or default on, math being math and too much too much).

January 29, 2012 at 3:26 a.m.
joneses said...

I think those chicks represent the dummycrat liberals in this country waiting for a government handout because their dummycrat leaders have, through propoganda by the liberal elite media, them convinced everything is against them and they have to depend on the government for their survival. The bottom line is this pathetic fool we have as president continues to convince them they have no hope and they sould follow him as their messiah. Good job pointing this out Clay and all this time I thought you supported the citizens being totally dependant on the government. LOL!

January 29, 2012 at 7:09 a.m.
dream4tomorrow said...

To me this represents the too many demands for our tax dollars. Maybe we need to let a few of those chicks die off so the others can grow up strong.

January 29, 2012 at 7:35 a.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said...The federal government has truly become the 1% by adopting crony capitalism as our economic system.

tq - in the context of this cartoon, it is important to ask which came first, the chicken or the egg? Our government did not adopt crony capitalism. The crony capitalists bought our government and they did so with funds that they stole from the rest of us.

January 29, 2012 at 8:08 a.m.
joneses said...

As China moves toward a more capitalist country the new slogan is "To get rich is glorious". As America, through the policies of this pathetic president you liberals worship, the new slogan is "To get rich is to be condemned". It is ashame. Now I understand where this pathetic president wants us to move when he says "I want to move the country forward". Obama's idea of forward is total control of all aspects of each citizens's lives. If it is different then why does obama not explain in his speeches designed to appeal to an 8th grade mentallity, what he means by "moving the country forward"? He knows if he did he would not have a chance at being reelected to continue is agenda to destroy America. it is sad how many people can be brain washed by the propoganda spread by the elite media.

January 29, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.
woody said...

I could be wrong..however I'm fairly sure 'mamma' eagle only guarantees her chicks.."Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."..Not necessarily the funding thereof..Woody

January 29, 2012 at 8:33 a.m.
timbo said...

Aren't those free loader birds? The most common bird in the country. Which one is Bennett? alprova, potcat, dude_abides, etc.... I wonder if they all are in the 50% that don't pay taxes.

January 29, 2012 at 9:02 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Well the degenerate rightwingers are out in full force getting as many jabs in as possible.

You see, it's Sunday, so in another hour (depending on the time zone) they'll be pretending they are something altogether different.

Morals and values on parade.

January 29, 2012 at 9:23 a.m.
carlB said...

MTJohn said... tu_quoque said...The federal government has truly become the 1% by adopting crony capitalism as our economic system. tq - in the context of this cartoon, it is important to ask which came first, the chicken or the egg? Our government did not adopt crony capitalism. The crony capitalists bought our government and they did so with funds that they stole from the rest of us.


MTJohn, Not only did they "buy" the people who "run" our government, the both of them sold the US consumers a false projection of what the out come of all the "free trade agreements" with the lower monetary countries would be.
The "capitalist" with the help of the lobbied "leaders" made it possible for the global corporate monopolies to develop after the USA and the other developed countries' "middle class" of people peaked after WWII. What were are not for getting is that while the middle classes were increasing, the wages and benefits of the "CEO's" were also increasing at a relative rate, but with the the increase in the global economy there has been the appearance of that bad word, "class warfare." Therefore, the world still had these highly populated third world countries, with the lower monetary value, less safety regulations, lower EPA regulations, and certainly less labor cost for getting their goods manufactured and other service related jobs done, providing these corporations a higher profit margin. This could only happen if they could convince the consumers to buy their "name brand goods" made in these other countries. This type of business has a name of, "race to the bottom."
There appears to be argument that these corporations have the right to close down their plants here in the USA and move to where they can get their work done at a lower cost. But as we are experiencing the effects of this global economy, along with the fraud occurring within our "private" financial systems has/is causing a decrease in the consumers of the imported goods or money to spend for food on the tables.

January 29, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Damn Carl, you nailed it. But don't expect to see GOPers acknowledging ANY of it.

January 29, 2012 at 9:43 a.m.
tifosi said...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Clay is referring to the fledgling democracies that are popping up all around the world. Arab Spring is our only hope towards providing a lasting peace for our grandchildren. WE must nurture and support them. Teach them how to survive. Europe fought amongst themselves for centuries, until democracy took root.

January 29, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
potcat said...

These chicks are cheeping at the beak (i mean American Taxpayers)of the American Eagle to keep the Socialist Big Welfare Corporations fed with taxpayers Grants i.e. millions of dollars of Taxpayers money and build their buildings and buy their equipment and even give them the land, that they will never have to pay taxes on. Then they can pay their employees less than enough to live on. Yhea, we love us some Corporate Welfare. just don't want real humans getting fed..

Out Of Many, one., and we know which one that is.

January 29, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
MTJohn said...

joneses said...As America, through the policies of this pathetic president you liberals worship, the new slogan is "To get rich is to be condemned".

Close, but no cigar!! The new slogans are: "Greed is NOT good!" and "The powerful getting rich by exploiting the weak is to be condemned!"

January 29, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
carlB said...

tifosi, are you saying that this Republic's responsibility is to "teach" the other Nations how to survive when there are people with extreme political and ideologies trying to destroy the balance of this Republic?

January 29, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
alprova said...

Tijmbo wrote: "Aren't those free loader birds? The most common bird in the country. Which one is Bennett? alprova, potcat, dude_abides, etc.... I wonder if they all are in the 50% that don't pay taxes."

Mister, you have no idea what you are typing. You haven't given anyone a clue as to the amount that you pay in taxes, but I would be willing to bet if we were to meet somewhere and compare tax returns over the past thirty years, you wouldn't be calling me a "freeloader" any longer.

I have generated my income through businesses that I have owned and operated for thirty years. I have written quarterly tax checks to the IRS for each of those thirty years. I've paid property taxes on commercial property, payroll taxes on 75 employees for several of those years, sales taxes, Federal taxes on commercial vehicles, fuel use taxes in 48 states, assessed taxes from income generated in and to 13 states, and much more.

All said and done, the amount in that I have paid just in taxes to various Governments, breaks the seven figure range.

I assure you, you pompous jerk, I most certainly do not fall into the lower 50% of those who do not pay income taxes, and at no time in my adult life, has that ever been the case.

You can't dismiss me so easily, or put me into some imaginary box and classify me as belonging to a class of people that you feel are beneath yourself.

I live a life in the eternal strife to emulate the Son of God. I am no better than you, and you by God, are no better than myself.

While you sit around and worry about the taxes that you pay and who's getting into your "pockets" all the time, I sleep good at night because money has never meant that much to me. I've made a bunch and I've spent a bunch.

Everything I own is paid for, we have food on the table to eat three times a day, and everyone in my family is alive and kicking. What more could I possibly ask for?

You've got one thing right about me. I am indeed a common bird. I've never wanted to be anything else.

January 29, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Wow! Brillant cartoon today, Clay Bennett. Problems can’t be resolved until they’re recognized, and you’ve identified one of America’s main problems in a rather clever way.

January 29, 2012 at 10:57 a.m.
librul said...

That 50% myth has been debunked so thoroughly and attributed so completely to the propagandists at Faux News that Timbo has shown the world that his credibility, for ANYTHING he says, is nonexistent.

January 29, 2012 at 11 a.m.

Yet, Alprova, you fight tooth and nail to keep a Marxist in office. Amazing. I guess now that reached a certain level, you're going to keep others from reaching that level. Typical liberal.

January 29, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
timbo said...

Alprova........have a little too much coffee today? Ok, if all that drivel was true, you're dumber than I thought . I guess you're just there mouthpiece.

Signed, The Jerk

January 29, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.
timbo said...

Oh, my.....liberals don't like me. When people who have no credibility question mine , forgive me if I don't pay much attention .
Gosh, you gooney birds are sensitive today . Didn't you get your ration of worms today from the government?

January 29, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque said: “The federal government has truly become the 1% by adopting crony capitalism as our economic system. Thus we have become dependant and enslaved to it for our daily sustenance. We are no longer free but instead owned by our overlords that we must serve.”

Well, Tu_quoque, if you want to discuss economic inequality and crony capitalism, I believe it’s only fair to call crony capitalism for what it is – corruption. And while you’re at it, I also think it’s only fair to identify the specific culprit sectors that are responsible for the corruption – U.S. politicians, businesses, and private-sector individuals. Like Greenspan, you may want to start with the bankers and some of our Nation's politicians:

According to Greenspan, the “unforgiving market competition” that defines market capitalism “clashes with the inbred human desire for stability and, for some, civility”.

He believes the "often-assailed greed and avarice associated with capitalism" are "characteristics of human nature, not of market capitalism".

“I was particularly distressed by the extent to which bankers, previously pillars of capitalist prudence, had allowed their equity buffers to dwindle dangerously as the financial crisis approached,” Greenspan wrote.

But anti-capitalist virulence appeared strongest from those who confused “crony capitalism” with free markets, Greenspan wrote.

"Crony capitalism abounds when government leaders, usually in exchange for political support, routinely bestow favors on private-sector individuals or businesses. That is not capitalism. It is called corruption."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46144322

January 29, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
dude_abides said...

chatttennusa said... "I guess now that (you have) reached a certain level, you're going to keep others from reaching that level. Typical liberal."

WTF? Does water float on oil in your world? Or is your world hectic, with cymbals crashing and floors vibrating all the time, causing you to just scream out random bvllsh!t in despair? Have you got, like, piles of Sham Wow packages and drawers of Hair Club for Men products? Hey, I bet that captain of industry, timbo, would love to sell you some screen printed T-shirts or some funnel cakes or some tube socks or some porn or some firewood or some "Cherokee" jewelry or some Tupperware or some more Koolaid.

January 29, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.
potcat said...

Timboo, I'm poor,but i am not a freeloader.I don't make enough money to pay the IRS, although they take plenty out of my check for SS and insurance. I pay sales tax on every thing i buy to live on. I pay 4 taxes just on my at&t bill, federal and state, i pay taxes on electricity and water and i pay property taxes. I don't owe not one penny to anyone. I own my home, although its a Trailor, its paid for. I buy gas and pay taxes.

When i want or need something i save to get it or i don't get it. I pay cash and have just recently got a debit card. I don't feel deprived of a thing, i know how fortunate i am and am Thankful for a clean paid for home and have more than enough to eat. I have dreams to landscape me and my husbands husbands 11 acres.

I am saving to go to my Nieces wedding in New York to see her marry her Partner, thats what makes me happy, not money. that is if my Fathers feeling better and we have someone reliable to stay with him.

January 29, 2012 at 12:25 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I didn't think Clay Bennett had this in him. If he gets a nomination for any awards this year it should be for this cartoon.

It could be interpreted many ways but maybe that is the mark of better political satire. Are the chicks the dependent class in this country? Are they leftists of all classes? Are they all of the countries around the world that benefit from US largess?

January 29, 2012 at 1:08 p.m.
dude_abides said...

BigRidgePatriot said... I didn't think Clay Bennett had this in him. If he gets a nomination for any awards this year it should be for this cartoon.

Couldn't agree more, BRP. The way Eagle Unum (1) % is ignoring the starving chicks is despicable! Let's you and I start a petition to get this cartoon nominated for a Nobel Prize.

January 29, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
alprova said...

chattanoogatennesseeusa wrote: "Yet, Alprova, you fight tooth and nail to keep a Marxist in office."

Not that I think that you could define what constitutes a true Marxist, I don't have to lift a finger to help the President. He will win re-election all by himself.

"I guess now that reached a certain level, you're going to keep others from reaching that level."

Not that you know a thing about me, the three employees I hired when I opened for business last month are former employees of mine, didn't hesitate for so much as a second to say "Yes" when I called them and asked them if they would come to work for me again.

You see, I pay people a living wage and I treat them at all times as equal partners in my business. I completely trust them and they share in all business related decisions and I hide nothing from them. Nothing. I can step out of my office and never worry for one second whether or not that I am leaving the business in good hands. Why? Because I know how to treat people so that they feel at all times that it is their business too.

"Typical liberal."

Nope...sorry, but you can't label me at all a typical Liberal, any more than I believe that there is such a thing as a typical Conservative.

I am liberal when it concerns most political issues, but I am quite conservative when it comes to how I live my personal life, how I approach religion, business, ethics, and morality.

January 29, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude_abides said... "The way Eagle Unum (1) % is ignoring the starving chicks is despicable! Let's you and I start a petition to get this cartoon nominated for a Nobel Prize"

That would be another way to interpret it. I am encouraged to see you are willing to assign a symbol of the government as the "1%". A self-serving government creates great economic disparity in a country. It is amazing to watch the spectacle of King Obama playing his constituents at the bottom of the income ladder.

It would not surprise me if Bennett could get the Nobel Peace Prize. Didn't they already give it to Arafat, Carter, Gore and Obama? There are clearly no intelligible standards for that award! Meaningless.

January 29, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

BRP said... "A self-serving government creates great economic disparity in a country."

Actually, a congress bought and paid for by the 1% would allow the disparity to widen.

January 29, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.

BRP, it seems you underestimate the value of giving it as a message to those who didn't get it.

The Norwegians are craftier than you think.

And there's only so many times they can use "No suitable living candidate" before it loses its impact. So sometimes they award it as a message in itself.

But you think it's Obama who is the best outlet for your ire? The more you focus on him, the less you pay attention to the men behind the curtain. Don't play into their game.

Though you're wrong to suggest a government is not supposed to be self-serving. A representative government is composed of those who it is supposed to serve. Why would you want a government that did not serve you? What would be the point?

The problem we have is the government is serving only a small part of the population, not the whole. And those who it is serving the most are those who have the most, which is how they influence it.

And how they get you to believe that the government is spending on others besides them, so you blame the wrong people. They're crafty at shaping messages and beliefs.

January 29, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: " Are the chicks the dependent class in this country? Are they leftists of all classes? Are they all of the countries around the world that benefit from US largess?"

No, BRP, I think Clay’s eaglets represent America’s greedy 1%. There were more eaglets in the nest originally, but they were pushed out by the greedy 1% who want it all.

January 29, 2012 at 3:12 p.m.
rolando said...

Last Thursday's Georgia court case re: The Obama's eligibility to be on the GA ballot is interesting...and damning...especially in light of his and his attorney's decision to ignore the subpoena [stupid move, that].

See the story at: http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=4138 If you can get through. Keep trying. It is a bombshell and quite a bit different from that at: http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-government/no-obama-in-court-1318908.html

Time will tell... A jail sentence and possible deportation are possible, if convicted. Although, considering what Slick Willie got away with......

January 29, 2012 at 3:48 p.m.

Why would they deport the judge for being a moron?

Wouldn't they just remove him from office for gross incompetence?

Not that the version from Orly Taitz and company is likely anywhere close to the truth. More likely the judge just gave them a chance to air their grievances, and shut them up.

In which case, ok, the judge will do nothing, and nothing done to him.

January 29, 2012 at 3:50 p.m.

mountainlaurel said... “There were more eaglets in the nest originally, but they were pushed out by the greedy 1% who want it all.”

I guess building new nests is out of the question? A government that enables prolonged dependency is dysfunctional. Giving a young eagle a few branches from the nest might afford him a perch for a day, but teaching him to fly, feed himself, and build his own nest is much kinder. The acquisition of twigs is not a zero sum game.

A fable from Sam the Eagle:

January 29, 2012 at 4:03 p.m.
miraweb said...

The odd thing is, we seem to have a class in this country that would be very happy to live as the old nobility: do no work, pay no taxes, and live richly off the labors of others. We even seem to have a group who think that money somehow confers wisdom, intelligence, and immortality. Clay's terrific cartoon would be just as accurate if the baby birds were on top and all feeding the 1%.

The last group in America with these ideas were the British nobility that were hated so much in 1776 that our constitution still bans any form of it.

I think it is sad that the enlightenment recognition that "all men are created equal" is one we have long forgotten.

January 29, 2012 at 4:05 p.m.
rolando said...

As I said, considering what Slick Willie got away with......

In which case we will need a new title for The Obama..."President" just doesn't have a snappy ring to it nor does it imply the unlimited power he will have.

Suggestions, anyone?

Der Leader? Fuhrer, perhaps? El Presidente? The Godfather, maybe? Il Duce? Or maybe just Dear Leader.

January 29, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

happywithnewbulbs said... "BRP, it seems you underestimate the value of giving it as a message to those who didn't get it."

Or you over value it. The Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. They should go ahead and give it to Clay Bennett. Perpetuating leftist lies and accomplishing nothing seems to be the main criteria for the award these days.

January 29, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude_abides said... "Actually, a congress bought and paid for by the 1% would allow the disparity to widen"

That is not a point of disagreement. The politicians sell their influence so they can have their palms greased by anyone willing and able to fork over a big enough bag of Benjamins. It is hard to identify the really nefarious players in industry. George Soros is certainly a very slimy character. Most company leaders are good people though. You cannot say that about the political class. The majority of that crowd has sold their soul to the devil.

January 29, 2012 at 4:30 p.m.
miraweb said...

I was reading back through the founding documents and only found one amendment that moved us away from equality rather than towards it.

The original Constitution required that all "duties, imposts, and excises" be "uniform throughout the United States." The Sixteenth Amendment took that equality away and gave Congress the ability to give particular groups special tax breaks.

I don't think that was the original intent of that amendment, but it certainly seems to be the result. The idea that investments deserve special treatment has some argument when those investments have a social benefit (such as creating jobs). A lot of investments, now, are a casino game played in the stock market that has no real connection to a company's growth, wealth, or ability to create jobs.

January 29, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
miraweb said...

From the founding documents:

Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

U.S. Constitution We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.

January 29, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.

BigRidgePatriot, you're still talking about it. The more you protest, the more you deny, the more value you give it.

If you really want it to be unimportant, you'd never give it a second thought. But every time you protest about it, a Norwegian Liberal Angel gets its wings.

Miraweb, actually there were plenty of federal taxes that were done to encourage/discourage certain things long before the 16th Amendment. There were special tax breaks already. And the decision that led to the 16th Amendment was one which effectively did create a subset of income that Congress could not tax. Which created an inequality by its nature.

January 29, 2012 at 5 p.m.
miraweb said...

"I think it is sad that the enlightenment recognition that "all men are created equal" is one we have long forgotten."

That means equal rights not equal results.

It's a cute proverb - but doesn't really reflect the actual wording there and sets up a false choice.

The document begins "these truths" - not "this truth." The six truths are then listed:

  • All men are created equal

  • They are endowed by their Creator with Rights

  • Among these rights are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

  • Governments are the means by which those rights are secured

  • The power to do so arises from the consent of the governed

  • The people have the right to change their Government

Reading it carefully, rights are subset of equality - but equality is not limited to rights. The equality is the state of being a human being. Rights exist because one is a human being. It's subtle, but important.

January 29, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

happywithnewbulbs said... "you're still talking about it. The more you protest, the more you deny, the more value you give it"

If that was true, aplo would have turned "me" and all of the other conservatives that visit this page into the world’s most revered people by now. You go ahead and keep believing that though, if it makes you feel better.

January 29, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
miraweb said...

Once again: results vs rights is a false choice.

The founders held that all persons were created equal to a far greater degree than we do now. Find some old Ben Franklin in Google Books if you want to see how much they thought that so.

We are all aware they didn't see women, indians, servants, or slaves (or people without land) as persons - but we've fixed most of that over two hundred years.

I could buy equality of opportunity as moving in the right direction.

January 29, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.

BigRidgePatriot, well given how many people do seem to celebrate with a badge of honor being replied to by him, that would validate the reasoning that refutation or disputation isn't doing much in the way of deterrence.

I think your own example just turned against you.

January 29, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb posted: “The power to do so arises from the consent of the governed. “

I believe America’s strength as a nation has always been that it’s power was derived from its people through elections – but now due to the betrayal of right wing extremists on the U.S. Supreme Court our elections are dominated by super devil pacs funded and controlled by unscrupulous for-profit corporations and self-serving billionaires.

January 29, 2012 at 6:01 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Whats_Wrong_With_The_World said: “I guess building new nests is out of the question? . . . Giving a young eagle a few branches from the nest might afford him a perch for a day, but teaching him to fly, feed himself, and build his own nest is much kinder.”

Yes, it would be more practical to just clean out the nest, WWWTW. As for teaching, I agree it’s important to teach young eagles to fly, feed themselves, and build their own nests, but I also think it’s important to pluck the feathers of some of these flip-flopping older eagles who cheat, lie, and defraud at the expense of others:

“In 1989, Bain Capital purchased controlling interest in Damon Corp., a medical testing company located in Needham, Massachusetts.

During the time that Bain held its ownership of the company, Mitt Romney personally sat on the Board of Directors. And during that same period, Damon Corp. was busy submitting fraudulent reimbursement claims to Medicare to the tune of millions of dollars charged for unnecessary blood tests. . .

. . . By the time Damon Corp. pleaded guilty to defrauding the United States Government of $25 million—and paid a total of $119 million in what was, at that time, the largest penalty of its kind in Massachusetts history—Bain was long gone having sold the company in 1993 to Corning, Inc.

More than a decade later, when Romney was in pursuit of the Massachusetts governorship, his Democratic opponent Shannon O’Brien accused him of lax oversight at Damon and failing to report the fraud. Romney replied that he had helped uncover the illegal activity at Damon, asking the board’s lawyers to investigate. As a result, he said, the board took “corrective action” before selling the company in 1993 to Corning Inc.

So, then, the future Governor. . . did fulfill his obligation as a great American and did report the fraud to the proper authorities, right?

Apparently not. According to the court records, “… the Damon executives’ scheme continued throughout Bain’s ownership, and prosecutors credited Corning, not Romney, with cleaning up the situation.” . . . You see, before Romney indicated that he was involved in conducting an investigation while he was on the board of directors, he said that he was completely unaware of any investigation.

Here’s another shocker. While the company eventually went bankrupt, with thousands losing their jobs, Bain Capital walked away with a $12 million profit—a little over $400,000 of that money ending up in Mitt’s pocket."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/01/21/romney-supervised-medical-testing-company-guilty-of-massive-medicare-fraud/

January 29, 2012 at 6:17 p.m.
miraweb said...

We are all aware of people who seem to have preferred status before the law, in public education, in taxation, and in public benefits (including contracts, grants, health care, access to power, use of public lands, tax perks, and regulatory oversite).

We have a high level of inequality and growing class structure with perks and exclusive access to government.

We accept it because those of us not belonging to the happy few have despaired of a level playing field. We are not, generally, inclined to revolution or instability.

We're Americans. We like a quiet night just watching the game.

The idea of preferential status is very hard to defend in any reasonable way. Our tradition and ideals (and our constitution) do not support it.

January 29, 2012 at 6:23 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque asked: "Why do you Libtards so hate our right to free expression and assembly?"

Pray tell us, Tu_quoque, how does an entity created by a government express and assembled itself?

January 29, 2012 at 6:31 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said...As long as there are gifts to be handed out it will be human nature to game the system. Maybe if we took the gift giver's credit card away things would be different.

Good idea. Let's start with the mega-banks, big pharma, the major media corporations and multi-national petroleum companies.

January 29, 2012 at 6:32 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "Al I thought you said you were an accountant at a company that you claimed fired you without cause. Are you sure you’re not being disingenuous and that your check writing was for that company and not you personally."

I have owned four businesses over the years. The two former businesses that I owned and that were sold were a warehousing and trucking company, the other was a convenience store. My private accounting firm, still serving a select client list, has been in business since 1982.

I went to work as bookkeeper in 2006-2009 for a company, which happened to be a former customer of mine, mainly for the health insurance benefits. I am in no manner claiming checks written for that company in my claim to have paid six figures in taxes. I am referring to my own personal businesses.

"Fair warning to other posters to keep your heads down. Al baby doesn’t like anyone questioning his intellect or accomplishments and this could get ugly."

Question me all you want. I have no reason at all to get ugly about a thing.

January 29, 2012 at 6:39 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Al just proves his arrogance on a daily basis. Here I was thinking only 1 perfect person walked the face of earth and yet here is another. It must be amazingly hard to hold your head up with all the knowledge that is cramped up inside. I have never seen anyone that has never been wrong until you. But with your actions and love for the democrats it really shows why their mascot is a "DONKEY".

January 29, 2012 at 6:52 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_q at the plate (points to the right field stands)... al tosses a change up, and tu_q whiffs.

The count for tu_q: No Balls... One Strike.

January 29, 2012 at 7:07 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Rogerdodger said to Alprova: "Here I was thinking only 1 perfect person walked the face of earth and yet here is another . . . But with your actions and love for the democrats it really shows why their mascot is a "DONKEY"."

Since you brought religion into this discussion, I think it might be important to note that the donkey was a big help to Mary and Joseph when they were traveling to Bethlehem. Indeed, the little steadfast donkey served them well. . . So don't demean the donkey.

January 29, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.
amnestiUSAF84 said...

@timbo said... Aren't those free loader birds? The most common bird in the country. Which one is Bennett? alprova, potcat, dude_abides, etc.... I wonder if they all are in the 50% that don't pay taxes.

Being the good Christian you conservatives claim to be shouldn't you have been getting ready for Sunday school instead of on here spewing your UN-Christian hatred @ 9a.m. on a Sunday morning? just sayin'....

January 29, 2012 at 7:21 p.m.
alprova said...

mountainlaurel wrote: "Since you brought religion into this discussion, I think it might be important to note that the donkey was a big help to Mary and Joseph when they were traveling to Bethlehem. Indeed, the little steadfast donkey served them well. . . So don't demean the donkey."

What a wonderful response that was.

January 29, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.

Roger trying to get anything through to these people that area stubborn as mules is a wasted effort. They don't want conversations all they want is for their non factual opinions to be heard. If you do prove they are foolish and not correct on topics then they turn vicious and make it very personnel. BTW I liked your reference and it is a true as fit there ever was.

January 29, 2012 at 7:33 p.m.

Blaming others? Wouldn't that be turning vicious and making things personal yourself?

January 29, 2012 at 7:40 p.m.
alprova said...

lovetheusaorleave wrote: "Roger trying to get anything through to these people that area stubborn as mules is a wasted effort. They don't want conversations all they want is for their non factual opinions to be heard. If you do prove they are foolish and not correct on topics then they turn vicious and make it very personnel."

When have you ever offered proof to a thing? Your quoting of Republican Representative Paul Ryan's statement the other day that the Senate has not passed a budget bill in more than 1001 days is factually incorrect.

I gave you every opportunity to back up your claim and to date you have failed to do so. I offered proof that the Senate had indeed passed budget bills, albeit delayed in two cases, but passed nonetheless for all three years.

If you don't like the sources of proof that I offered, I'll be happy to supply several credible media releases that confirm the fact that the Senate did indeed pass budget bills for all three years.

"BTW I liked your reference and it is a true as fit there ever was."

What does "true as fit there ever was" mean? Try writing in English.

January 29, 2012 at 7:54 p.m.
rick1 said...

"There's no need to have a Democratic budget in my opinion," Reid said in an interview Thursday. "It would be foolish for us to do a budget at this stage."

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/20/news/la-pn-harry-reid-budget-20110520

January 29, 2012 at 8:16 p.m.
alprova said...

risk1 offered: ""There's no need to have a Democratic budget in my opinion," Reid said in an interview Thursday. "It would be foolish for us to do a budget at this stage."..."

What does that prove? Not a thing. The 2012 budget bill was passed by the Senate on November 18, 2011 with additional provisions to the 2012 budget being passed on December 23, 2011, just as I stated the other day.

The article you cite is dated May 20, 2011. They were very late in passing the budget, but it was indeed passed by both Houses of Congress, eventually.

The Republican dominated House and the Democrat controlled Senate wrangled repeatedly over this year's budget bill. Paul Ryan's statement, again, is only true in the context that the Senate has refused for three years to rubber stamp and to pass, as was handed to them, budget bills sent to the Senate by the House of Representatives, as is usually the case. The Senate eliminated or added spending to bills that were passed by them.

Ryan's statement is smoke and mirrors. It's a parlor trick. And it is not a statement that is repeated by credible sources, because there is absolutely no truth whatsoever to it, as it has been presented by him.

January 29, 2012 at 8:38 p.m.
rick1 said...

al, you are correct there have been several CR's passed but don't you wonder why Harry Reid is not voting on a yealry budget and continues to do CR's through out the year. Could it be they do not want us to know how much the budget really is.

I know Harry Reid made the comment in May 2011 but for him to make that comment just shows his arrogrance. Most of us live on budgets shouldn't the government and shouldn't they be up front with it every year instead of passing CR's.

January 29, 2012 at 8:49 p.m.

I think you'll find relatively few people engage in the extensive accounting that the government does, regardless of the particular terms of the process.

January 29, 2012 at 9:05 p.m.
alprova said...

rickq wrote: "al, you are correct there have been several CR's passed but don't you wonder why Harry Reid is not voting on a yealry budget and continues to do CR's through out the year. Could it be they do not want us to know how much the budget really is."

Not at all. It's been published. The wrangling over this year's budget, as I recall, involved several deep cuts proposed by the House, in areas such as International affairs, where they attempted to trim that category of spending by 50%. They also attempted to trim the Energy Department's budget by 35%. Transportation? 20%. Health? 10%.

So, the Senate amended it and passed it in portions, consisting of three separate bills.

"I know Harry Reid made the comment in May 2011 but for him to make that comment just shows his arrogrance. Most of us live on budgets shouldn't the government and shouldn't they be up front with it every year instead of passing CR's."

You and I agree on that. Harry Reid has come to be a thorn in the side of the Senate. Personally, I wish that both he and Nancy Pelosi were gone forever. They represent the worst that the Democrats have to offer America, and the unfortunate thing is that the Democrats are far too often viewed negatively because of them.

The problem is however, that the voters in their districts are, or were, happy with them. Harry Reid had to fight hard this last time to keep his seat. I'm not so sure that either of them will win the next time. It's really past time for them to retire or to be involuntarily retired from politics.

January 29, 2012 at 9:13 p.m.
rick1 said...

Happy, said "I think you'll find relatively few people engage in the extensive accounting that the government does, regardless of the particular terms of the process."

Would you be making that comment if the majority leader of the senate was a republican, and they made the comment Harry Reid made?

January 29, 2012 at 9:27 p.m.
rick1 said...

al, I feel the same way about Boehner and McConnell as you do about Reid and Pelosi. Neither party is looking out for our best interests.

January 29, 2012 at 9:49 p.m.
rick1 said...

al, you said stated "The wrangling over this year's budget, as I recall, involved several deep cuts proposed by the House, in areas such as International affairs, where they attempted to trim that category of spending by 50%. They also attempted to trim the Energy Department's budget by 35%. Transportation? 20%. Health? 10%."

Why wouldn't Reid allow it to be brought up fo a vote? Was he concerned some in his own party would vote for these cuts?

January 29, 2012 at 10:03 p.m.

Would you be making the same complaint?

But if you want to know something, I think William Proxmire's lists were as uninformed as his Republican successor. Tom Coburn, I believe.

January 29, 2012 at 10:04 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Why wouldn't Reid allow it to be brought up fo a vote? Was he concerned some in his own party would vote for these cuts?"

That I do not know. I don't think the answer to that question can be found either.

January 29, 2012 at 10:17 p.m.

Because auysteroity works so well! Going cheap is expensive.

January 29, 2012 at 11:52 p.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "A storage building, delivery van, convenient market, 3 to 4 years of real employment that you got fired from, and a four person bookkeeping operation in a strip mall where you spend all day posting on the internet."

It is a 125,000 square foot building, which I still own and lease to the person who bought the business, who also bought the 35 tractors & 50 trailers I owned at the time as well.

My "bookkeeping operation" is not located in any strip mall. I run it from my home office, with no employees, other than my wife. I actually audit and administer retirement plans for several small local businesses rather than to keep books.

Those in my employ work with me in my new business.

I think if you really do some research, you'll find that there are some days when I don't have time to spend "all day posting on the internet."

"That Wharton education really paid off for you didn't it."

I actually received my CPA certification through and I attend continuing education seminars at a local community college, thank you very much.

January 30, 2012 at 12:07 a.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "We've got to cut up the credit card for everything and everybody but the basics and that means about 50% of the federal budget."

Yeah, you hold your breath on that ever happening.

January 30, 2012 at 12:09 a.m.
alprova said...

tu_quoque wrote: "Every family has one like you. Ours was uncle Cletus and a bigger B.S. artist would be hard to find. According to him he made and lost several fortunes, was married to three different Hollywood starlets, was awarded the C.M.H. for saving Sgt. York's life, and personally constructed the first atomic bomb and that was all before he was 40 years old. After that the stories were just unbelievable."

Well...okay. I wasn't aware that I was in competition with your Uncle Cletus.

I've lost one fortune in my life, and that was spent saving the life of my beloved wife, who was severely injured in a car accident. I've been married to only two women in my life, neither of which were movie stars. My first wife was taken from me 34 years ago in another fatal car crash.

I've never served in the military, so I can't claim to have saved a fellow soldier's life. The only thing that I've personally constructed was a porch around my house. I was 45 when I did that.

You're free to think whatever you so desire. I'll not be losing any sleep whatsoever in regard to what you think.

I sure as heck didn't offer any of it to impress anyone, least of all yourself.

So I guess your Uncle Cletus wins.

January 30, 2012 at 1:57 a.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said...

MTJohn said...

"tu_quoque said...As long as there are gifts to be handed out it will be human nature to game the system. Maybe if we took the gift giver's credit card away things would be different. Good idea. Let's start with the mega-banks, big pharma, the major media corporations and multi-national petroleum companies."

Your not selling that crap around here. We've got to cut up the credit card for everything and everybody but the basics and that means about 50% of the federal budget.

tq - I agree that we are too dependent on borrowed money. However, you just made a radical shift in the conversation. In case you forgot, the context of your previous comment and my response had to do with the buying and selling of our government. My response identified the folks who are the principle "owners" of politicians; who think they have the right to tell them how to vote; and, the folks who are the primary beneficiaries of a Congress that doesn't work.

January 30, 2012 at 8:15 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque said: “I’m thinking we’ve had this discussion before so to keep from wasting time on you I will post something I wrote before.”

No, I guess this means you are declining to explain to us how a corporate entity that is created by a government can express and assemble itself, Tu_quoque?

As for the legal reference list that you quote allegedly justifying the Citizens United decision , I believe Justice Stevens addressed the list rather well in his 90-page dissent. Clearly, there is lot of evidence showing that U.S. legislators have regulated undue corporate influence on politics without running afoul of the First Amendment since the Founding.

What I also respect about Justice Stevens is his application of common sense in regard to the law, our Constitution, man made corporations, and the right wing Justices:

“The conceit that corporations must be treated identically to natural persons in the political sphere is not only inaccurate but also inadequate to justify the Court’s disposition of this case.” (2)

“Under the majority’s view, I suppose it may be a First Amendment problem that corporations are not permitted to vote, given that voting is, among other things, a form of speech.” (33)

[I]n light of the Court’s effort to cast itself as the guardian of ancient values, it pays to remember that nothing in our constitutional history dictates today’s outcome. To the contrary, this history helps illuminate just how extraordinarily dissonant the decision is."(41)

“It might also be added that corporations have no consciences, no beliefs, no feelings, no thoughts, no desires. Corporations help structure and facilitate the activities of human beings, to be sure, and their ‘personhood’ often serves as a useful legal fiction. But they are not themselves members of ‘We the People’ by whom and for whom our Constitution was established.” (76)

“All of the majority’s theoretical arguments turn on a proposition with undeniable surface appeal but little grounding in evidence or experience, ‘that there is no such thing as too much speech’…[i]n the real world, we have seen, corporate domination of the airwaves prior to an election may decrease the average listener’s exposure to relevant viewpoints, and it may diminish citizens’ willingness and capacity to participate in the democratic process. (83)

“At bottom, the Court’s opinion is thus a rejection of the common sense of the American people, who have recognized a need to prevent corporations from undermining self-government since the founding, and who have fought against the distinctive corrupting potential of corporate electioneering since the days of Theodore Roosevelt. It is a strange time to repudiate that common sense.” (90}

http://theusconstitution.org/text-history/1502

January 30, 2012 at 9:05 a.m.
rolando said...

tu_quoque -- I note Al changed his taxes-paid from seven figures down to six...an order of magnitude lower. A little creative bookkeeping, perhaps?

January 30, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.
rolando said...

An update for the lieberals who drink the kool-aid...

http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=4202#more-4202

January 30, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
MTJohn said...

rolando said...

An update for the lieberals who drink the kool-aid...

http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=4202#more-4202

i.e. strict construction, there is no way that a black person can ever be a "natural born citizen" of the United States.

January 30, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MTJohn said to Tu_quoque: “My response identified the folks who are the principle "owners" of politicians; who think they have the right to tell them how to vote; and, the folks who are the primary beneficiaries of a Congress that doesn't work.

Have you noticed that most of these corporations and billionaires who rant about paying their fair share of U.S. taxes are the same corporations and billionaires who are shoveling billions of dollars into U.S. political campaigns. Indeed, money appears to be no object when it comes to buying U.S. politicians and manipulating U.S. elections.

January 30, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
una61 said...

The Bennett/Austin Mantra:

From each according to his abilities. To each according to his needs.

Isn't that what Karl said?

January 30, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
MTJohn said...

nooga said...mountainlaurel Hey don't be spewing the truth on here some CONservatives head might explode,

Not a chance, nooga. Those who have exiled themselves to Rupert Murdoch's Oceania are immune from the truth!

January 30, 2012 at 12:12 p.m.

una61, actually Marx did not originate that phrase, it was other philosophers, and his expression was substantially different.

You may wish to look a bit more into the subject.

January 30, 2012 at 12:22 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque said: “They [Democrats]came up with the DISCLOSE act (which would require reporting of election activities so that citizens would know who was aiding who. . . . The DISCLOSE act failed to pass but no matter because the Democrats got what they really wanted which was an issue to demagogue to the voters. That the Republicans blocked the voters from access to information about election funding.”

You may want to consider shifting the emphasis of your paranoia, Tu_quoque. The Disclose Act was specifically designed to expose any foreign groups, foreign organizations, and foreign governments that might be influencing U.S. elections. As any wise, knowledgable, and respectable expert will tell you, the right wing justices sitting on the Supreme Court have essentially issued an open invitation for America’s enemies to manipulate U.S. elections. Indeed, the Republicans who blocked American voters and the U.S. government from accessing this information should hang their heads in shame.

Interestingly, Mark Kleiman over at the Reality Based Community just recently brought up the need for a Disclosure Act when he was discussing Newt’s billionaire campaign contributor. Kleiman makes the point that “in the wake of Citizens United isn’t just a matter of asserting democratic values over plutocratic ones; it’s a matter of national sovereignty and national security,” and I believe most reasonable people agree:

. . . a single billionaire donating $5 million to a Super-PAC completely turned the campaign around in a week. $5M is chump change compared to the stakes in the American Presidency. If unlimited amounts of untraceable cash are going to be sloshing around, there’s no way to prevent the Chinese government, or the Iranian government, or the Saudi government, from playing the game. It isn’t hard for government-sized operations to channel the relevant amounts of money to U.S.-based corporations under their effective control.

Sheldon Adelson made most of his billions in Macao, which is Chinese territory; you can believe that Adelson’s political activities are immune from Chinese pressure if you like, but you can’t reasonably doubt that if China needed a tame U.S. billionaire it could easily create one. Campaign finance reform sounds like a boring topic, but fixing it in the wake of Citizens United isn’t just a matter of asserting democratic values over plutocratic ones; it’s a matter of national sovereignty and national security.

http://www.samefacts.com/2012/01/corruption-in-washington/good-news-and-bad-news-2/

January 30, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.
terrybham said...

Another great cartoon Clay. You can tell when you really hit a nerve because all of the "dittoheads" crawl out of the woodwork. Keep up the good work.

January 30, 2012 at 1:11 p.m.
timbo said...

alprova..... Every time you write something is is like a dime store novel. "Alprova's Hard Life," "Alprova on Economics," "Alprova's Liberal Adventure," blah, blah, blah. Real writing talent is the ability to put your thoughts in a short concise bundle easy to understand. Self important liberals like you, blackwater48, or potcat don't seem to have that ability. You guys eat up about 50% of the posts on any subject. If you were using a microphone instead, the rest of us would have to hit you over the head with a hammer just to get to talk a little. Half the time you all don't even talk about the subject.

You windbags need to shorten your mega-novels down just a tad.

January 30, 2012 at 1:16 p.m.
timbo said...

mountainlaurel.... All that crap you wrote doesn't mean a thing. Stevens was writing in the MINORITY opinion. He was just whining. The majority opinion was just the opposite. Quit whining. It is now the law of the land. You are also on the above windbag list.

January 30, 2012 at 1:27 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo said: “mountainlaurel.... All that crap you wrote doesn't mean a thing. Stevens was writing in the MINORITY opinion. He was just whining.”

Since a large majority of the American public agrees with the key points that the good Supreme Court Justice Stevens makes in his dissent, I hardly consider it a “minority” opinion in the big picture, Tu_quoque. No, what the Citizens United decision exposes is another group of dishonest right wing corporatist extremists playing dirty politics, which Justice Stevens – bless his heart – points out rather well in the 90-page dissent:

The Court today rejects a century of history when it treats the distinction between corporate and individual campaign spending as an invidious novelty born of Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce. “(2-3,)

Our colleagues’ suggestion that ‘we are asked to reconsider Austin and, in effect, McConnell,’ would be more accurate if rephrased to state that ‘we have asked ourselves’ to reconsider those cases. (4, internal cite omitted)

Essentially, five Justices were unhappy with the limited nature of the case before us, so they changed the case to give themselves an opportunity to change the law. (6)

[T]here were principled, narrower paths that a Court that was serious about judicial restraint could have taken. (16)

The only relevant thing that has changed since Austin and McConnell is the composition of this Court. (23)

http://theusconstitution.org/text-history/1502

January 30, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.
rolando said...

MTJohn said ...there is no way that a black person can ever be a "natural born citizen" of the United States.

Of course they can, MT. They are absolutely no different than anyone else in the country. The only qualifier is that both parents must be US citizens. Did you note there are two types of citizens; US citizens and natural-born citizens.

The parental US citizenship requirement is the difference. Other than that -- and eligibility for the Presidency -- they are essentially the same, with the same rights, privileges, etc. If both parents are not US citizens, any child of theirs born in the US is a US citizen...as stated in the 14th Amendment. But they are not 'natural-born".

January 30, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
timbo said...

mountainlaurel...you said, "Since a large majority of the American public agrees with the key points that the good Supreme Court Justice Stevens makes in his dissent, I hardly consider it a “minority” opinion in the big picture,

Take that fact and a dime and you can put a down payment on a cup of coffee. What you said is ridiculous. The big picture is the other justices said he was WRONG

News Flash...This world runs on reality.

January 30, 2012 at 3:06 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said...

MTJohn said...

"i.e. strict construction, there is no way that a black person can ever be a "natural born citizen" of the United States."

Do you care to expand on this before I declare you full of "it".

The link that Rolando posted speaks for itself.

January 30, 2012 at 3:20 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque said: What I see in Steven’s dissent quotes you posted was rank hypocrisy in that he addresses only corporations and not unions and NGO’s/special interest groups which are involved in the same type of activities.”

I can certainly understand Supreme Court Justice Stevens' emphasis on corporations, Tu_quoque. What you seem to be either overlooking or conveniently ignoring is the fact that many of these large corporations have more power, money, and influence than a lot of countries, which can hardly be said of American trade unions etc.

The bottom line is as David Uhlmann of the U.S. Department of Justice once said: “corporate cultures reflect the priorities of the corporation and its senior officials.” And as many of these corporations like Koch Industries have already demonstrated, their corporate interest comes first - even when it conflicts with public safety or U.S. National Security issues:

"Internal company records show that Koch Industries used its foreign subsidiary to sidestep a U.S. trade ban barring American companies from selling materials to Iran. Koch-Glitsch offices in Germany and Italy continued selling to Iran until as recently as 2007, the records show.

The company’s products helped build a methanol plant for Zagros Petrochemical Co., a unit of Iran’s state-owned National Iranian Petrochemical Co., the documents show. The facility, in the coastal city of Bandar Assaluyeh, is now the largest methanol plant in the world, according to IHS Inc., an Englewood, Colorado-based provider of chemicals, energy and economic data.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

January 30, 2012 at 3:48 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "You guys eat up about 50% of the posts on any subject."

No need to worry. There's lots of room for whatever it may be that you have to post.

"Half the time you all don't even talk about the subject."

You mean like you're doing now?

"You windbags need to shorten your mega-novels down just a tad."

You post what you want to post and others will do the same. You're free to ignore whatever you so desire.

January 30, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.

Tq, and I'm sure una61was ignorant of the full origins, which is why I pointed it out. Your own quote demonstrates that there was more to it, whether or not you agree is a whole different business, but are you opposing people working, or are you opposing people filling their needs?

MTJohn, natural-born rules out C-sections I think, but what about induced labor? I do think IVF is OK though, since that is conception not birth.

January 30, 2012 at 4:22 p.m.
rolando said...

tu_quoque -- Sorry about stepping on your post...

I was working my way down the posts, answering the most egregious of the lot. My response was redundant.

January 30, 2012 at 4:25 p.m.
rolando said...

newbulbs -- I oppose the whip used to keep the "workers" [read "slaves"] fulfilling the "according to their ability" quotas...as well as the snow shovel given to those "fulfilling their needs" on the backs of the former.

We fought a war 150 years ago that stopped that.

January 30, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
HighFastHard said...

What's wrong with you people?! No one has quoted the Bible yet to try and make their opinion seem more credible and respectable. (Hint: It doesn't work.)

January 30, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo said: “News Flash...This world runs on reality.”

Yes, and thank goodness, Timbo. Sometimes it takes awhile to achieve justice, but eventually it prevails. In this case, the peoples’ voices will be heard.

A great number of citizens along with their elected represenatives have taken steps to pass resolutions opposing the outsized influence that corporations hold in our democracy, which, of course, was made possible by the right wing majority on the U.S. Supreme Court.

To date, "local and state-wide resolutions have been introduced in CA, CO, FL, HI, MA, ME, MI, MT, NC, NJ, NM, NY, OK, OR, PA, RI, SD, VT, WA and WI. At the federal level, 10 proposed constitutional amendments have been introduced during the 112th Congress."

http://www.pfaw.org/issues/government-the-people/citizens-united-v-fec-constitutional-remedies-list-of-local-state-and-f

January 30, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I found this pretty darn funny.

January 30, 2012 at 5:12 p.m.

rolando, ah, you think there aren't slaves today? Even without the law, there is still the effect. The whips are subtle, but no less present. But hey, so you want people to not have to work, to have all of their needs fulfilled without labor? That does come from your antagonism to the quote, after all.

How does that square with the Republican anti-welfare agenda? Do you propose repealing the provisions of the Personal Responsibility and Opportunity to Work Act that require people to seek out work in order to receive welfare?

tu_quoque: It's rather easy to recognize patterns, and the general pattern is that people quote a bit of something while missing the whole. Not making the attempt is the point, people just don't want to look into it. Anyway, so you think that the government shouldn't act for those who can take care of themselves? When have people done that? I've never noticed it being the case, the times when people most need help is when they can't, and I've found many people quite repulsed by the idea since it requires them to admit they aren't capable of resolving something on their own. So they often make things worse. But ok, experiences differ. How do you draw that line? Do you believe every person is truly sovereign in all their affairs? Or are there exceptions? Are the exceptions the same for everybody? Should somebody who is capable of affording their own security not receive police or fire protection?

Where are you going with your plans? What do you want to do with your model of society?

January 30, 2012 at 5:42 p.m.

Ben Franklin's proposal for the great seal:

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/vc006418.jpg

Let my people go.

January 30, 2012 at 8:24 p.m.
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