published Wednesday, July 25th, 2012

5-at-10: Let's have a little fun

Gang, we're going to do everything in our power to get through today without mentioning any college football programs that rhyme with Thin Plate. We're spent. Plus, remember Friday's mailbag — we are heading to NYC this weekend and we need to knock that out ahead of time.

From the "Talks too much" Studios, here we go...

Baseball moving and matters

We discussed briefly Tuesday the beauty of baseball's trade deadline and how it signifies whether teams are are in or if they are going to play out the rest of the season looking to the future.

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    Chattanooga Lookouts pitcher Nathan Eovaldi pitches the ball in this file photo.
    Photo by Doug Strickland /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Consider the Dodgers in. They dealt a prospect and Nathan Eovaldi to Miami for Hanley Ramirez. If they get the motivated Ramirez of two years ago when he was one of the best in the game, it will be a steal. If they get the unmotivated Ramirez of today — he's hitting .246 with 14 homers and 48 RBIs — then they have signed on to pay for the final two years of his deal at more than $30 million total.

Consider the Pirates in. And welcome to the dance that is a pennant race Pittsburgh fans. Not only to the Pirates appear to be a lock to end their almost 20-year run of losing records, the Pirates are in the chase. And they traded for lefty Wandy Rodriguez. (And no, when thinking of names for our son, Wandy did not make the short list.) And if you're a Houston Astros fan right now, how do you react to the fact that the Pirates are sending you prospects for your best players?

Consider the Braves almost in. The team is trying desperately to acquire a much-needed starter, and reports have them super-close to a deal with the Cubs for Ryan Dempster. (Although Dempster appears to be blocking the deal, and if he is and that gets out in earnest, the Braves need to cut bait. Nothing worse than acquiring a player that a) is in the final year of his deal and you know is not going to stay and b) his teammates know going in he came here kicking and screaming.

Consider the Yankees in (and out). After trading for Ichiro earlier this week, the Yankees on Tuesday took one on the chin. Actually, they took one on the hand. Alex Rodriguez suffered a fractured hand after getting hit by a pitch last night. Here's saying they go and find someone else soon. (And are probably ticked off that the Dodgers already traded for Ramirez.)

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We're officially excited

The Olympics are cool.

Sure, there's about as much chance of us watching a normal track and field meet on TV as their is of us missing the 3:30 SEC game. But Olympic track and field is cool. Olympic anything is cool. Well, almost anything — that rhythmic gymnastics is the TV equivalent of a root canal, Olympics or no.

So let's get ready. It surely appears the U.S. hoops team is. Sweet buckets, they dropped a monster showing on Spain, which is actually one of the non-U.S. favorites.

We are watching this Dream Team with an eye on the past and an eye on the future. We still believe they have the pieces to run with the 1992 version and comparing and contrasting those teams is fun.

We also watch this bunch looking toward the future. Have you watched this team yet? When you do, we promise you'll notice something different about LeBron James. He has embraced the alpha dog role, even when he's facilitating shots for his teammates.

And if LBJ develops an attack instinct and a crunch-time killer persona even close to Jordan's, LeBron will be the best that ever played. (Yes, JordanRules, we said, and we look forward to your email.)

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    After a turbulent 2010 season that included a five-game suspension, Chris Rainey is one of several Florida seniors seeking a big improvement.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

College football

There has been one overriding college football story this week. You know what it is.

That said, teams and players are preparing to start next week. We're close gang, we're very, very close.

In an effort to bridge the gap, our SEC ace David Paschall has been checking in on each team around the league. Today he had this about Florida http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/jul/25/defense-must-key-gators-rise-chattanooga-florida/.

The Gators have supreme talent on their defense. But name one Florida offensive player that scares you. Yeah, we can't either.

Plus, how long before Will Muschamp starts to hear whispers about the dreaded "hot seat," especially considering how above average the SEC East is right now?

Yes, we're almost there gang. And we're stoked.

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This and that

— We planning on being on SportTalk on 102.3 FM with Quake, Dr. B (he's a doctor after all) and Cowboy Joe today around 4:30. Swing by, it doesn't cost anything.

— In a perfect world none of sports stars would do drugs. But as we know sports are filled with people and people make mistakes. But on the scale of cosmically stupid athletes, how dumb is the NASCAR driver taking stimulates during a race weekend? Meet AJ Allmendinger, who has been indefinitely suspended after the second test of his blood sample taken at Kentucky Speedway a few weeks ago tested positive. Really, going 200 mph in a metal coffin is not enough to get the juices flowing?

— NFL training camps open this week, and as UTC football ace John Frierson tells us here http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/jul/25/four-local-nfl-rookies-set-for-camp/, we have four area rookies trying to land jobs in (cue Ron Jaworski) THE NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE. Good luck gang.

— As the NFL nears, we'll have more on the Titans and Falcons in tomorrow's 5-at-10, but we could not agree more with our ace columnist Mark Wiedmer's view today that it's time for the Titans to end their relationship with Kenny Britt.

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Today's question

Sherman Hemsley died Wednesday. He was 74.

Hemsley was one of the great TV personalities that become synonymous with the character he played. Hemsley was George Jefferson and George Jefferson was Hemsley. Period. (And here is a clip of the famous George Jefferson dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQQfv9kg48k.)

We have a point and then a question: First, there's no way in today's politically correct culture that "The Jeffersons" or "All in the Family" could be made today. And that's sad. Those shows were funny, and often were so by exposing the ignorance of some of the shortcomings of our society. Now, different groups would take offense to Archie Bunker using a slew of slurs and miss the point that the joke was on Archie.

So it goes, and not unlike little leagues that don't keep score (where everyone is a winner so no one is a winner), when everyone is sensitive, no one is sensitive. Case in point: The FCC will make sure there are no Archie Bunkers on TV, but there are a slew of murders and crime galore. Maybe they view it in a similar light: If you're universally offensive, maybe you're not offensive at all.

As for the question: Who is on your Rushmore of TV stars that became their characters and vice versa. If you need a litmus test, every time we saw Hemsley — no matter the role — the first thought was always, "Hey, that's George Jefferson." In honor of the two big-time contenders we've lost this summer — Hemsley and Andy Griffith — we'll have an all-time list and a current list.

We'll start with Tony Soprano (James Gandolfini), J.R. Ewing (Larry Hagman; side note: the current Dallas has exceeded our expectations, which is a very good thing), Coach Eric Taylor (Kyle Chandler), Mr. Belding (Dennis Haskins — shout out to the hometown guy). (Side note: With the number of animated shows and reality TV junk, the current list is harder than you may think.)

All-time: Andy Taylor (Andy Griffith), Sam Malone (Ted Danson), Fraser Crane (Kelsey Grammer), The Fonz (Henry Winkler).

(Side note: We felt like we needed to leave off people that played themselves. And we'll probably come back with a kids division, too.)

Discuss.

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Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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BIspy4 said...

Alan Alda as Hawkeye Pierce.

Jack Webb as Joe Friday.

And two guys who did a ton of stage and big screen stuff but will forever be remembered for their roles on the TV show that started off with two musical notes ... dum dum.

Jerry Orbach as Lenny Briscoe and Sam Waterston as Jack McCoy.

I went to Pittsburgh just before the 94 strike and took in an Astros-Pirates game at old Three Rivers Stadium. I think it was Drabek vs. Shane Reynolds that day. And Pittsburgh is a great town. Very, very underrated. I highly recommend a visit to the Primanti Brothers restaurant.

5, what's the most underrated/overrated city you've been to, in honor of your trip to NYC (and for the love of the ghost of Omar Moreno the Pirates being contenders).

July 25, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
deboman said...

For the trekkies out there I would throw in William Shatner as Capt. Kirk (though he tried to drop this as TJ Hooker, but when I think of Hooker, I only remember Heather Locklear) and Patrick Stewart as Jean-Luc Picard. Nimoy as Spock could fit too.

Now that I have the morning geekiness out of me, the Olympic jitters/tremens have kicked in. Looking at the schedule, there may be events that have me out of bed before sun-up, which could set a bad precedent around the house. Bring on the games. Todd- where can I get one of those 'Back to Back World War Champions' shirts.

As for Kenny Britt- it comes down to the team hoping their investment comes around at some point, but really, how long does one wait and to what extent are you willing to hurt your team, image, etc. They Lions hit their threshhold earlier this week with Berry, but it too ALOT for them to get there. Britt basically has shown no care for the organization and the fact that he is rehabbing multiple knee injuries should make the choice easier for management as he doesn't seem very dedicated to getting better to help the team.

At some point, the teams themselves have to accept responsibility for the actions that they allow from their players. If they continue to allow said behavior, they turn into the Raiders. The Lions took a step to avoid that this week. The Bengals, well, the jury is still out on the Bengals.

July 25, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

We thought about Alan Alda, but since Hawkeye Pierce was the father of guys needlessly getting in touch with their inner sissy, we passed.

Friday is a good call; and we so, So, SO had Jack McCoy down and took him back.

We'll do the five underrated towns for the Friday mailbag, deal?

And man those late 1970s Pirates teams with Phil Garner at 3B, Tim Foli at SS, Renny Stennett at 2B, Pops Stargell at first and the Cobra and Moreno in the outfield with the Candy Man and Tekulve side-winding out of the bullpen were fun to watch.

Debo —

We could see Spock. Shatner was on there for a while, but then he did so much that Shatner is in that rare point that Shatner kind of made Kirk his own persona and now Shatner is famous for being Shatner (who is actually trying to play Kirk in some ways).

Britt's talent is now downgraded because of his bad influence, which is magnified on a young team that is trying to groom a young QB.

As for the jury being still out on the Bengals, well, that's because there are so many cases to review.

— 5-at-10

July 25, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Underrated city: Jacksonville. (sidenote: The aunt that I'm closest to lives in St. Augustine so I've clocked in a fair amount of street time down there during past visits, Christmases, etc.)

Bullet points:

-Jacksonville Landing (Just like the Aquarium District but bigger and cooler) -Great local coast eateries. -The city is dirt-loyal to the Jaguars regardless of record or time of year. Every other person you walk by will be decked out in Jaguar green, gold and black.

Rushmore

Michael Richards: Cosmo Kramer Tom Seleck: Thomas Magnum Daniel Ragcliff: Harry Potter Seth McFarline: Peter Griffin/Stewie*

*Other than Walt Disney himself he is probably the only person I can imagine whose voices are actually synonymous with the live action celeb who supplies them. Mike Judge (Hank Hill) might fall in that catagory but he rarely makes enough public appearances to where nobody could spot in a police line-up. Same with the guy who does Spongbob. Seth on the other hand, is pictured attending whatever major event in Hollywood is happening.

One last thing, I'm enjoying the new Dallas even though it's about as accurate as saying the Mocs belong in the SEC but one thing I need to mention. Contrary to JohnRoss's opinion from last weeks episode, the Twisted Root Burger Company does not make the best burger in Big D. My opinion, that title falls to JT's Old Fashioned Hamburgers on Lower Greenville. I'm just saying....

July 25, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
fechancellor said...

Ten Ring, Pittsburgh success could be a hit movie 20 years from now; "How I Lost My Virginity During the Pirates Magical Summer of 2012."

On to more important things...like David Paschall's Florida piece. A quarterback controversy this late! There might be upside here, but this type of problem often comes with its own unique set of "issues."

No one set as starters at running back and receiver? Last year's best pass catcher returns for his junior year? This is a Florida team Dooley must beat.

July 25, 2012 at 11:44 a.m.
Todd962 said...

I caught a Sports Illustrated show last night that spoke of the "Greatest Game No One Ever Saw." It was a scrimmage just prior to the 1992 games between a Jordan captained side vs a Magic captained side. It was pretty awesome. Magic's side got up early, Jordan caught up, and then the trash talk took off. Jordan ended up winning and was taunting Magic by singing the Gatorade song "I wanna be like Mike." Oh to have been able to sit in the back of the gym to watch that.

Jay, youre not supposed to take all the best selections for the rushmores so that we can feel smart when we think of one. Your all time list is too good. I may have swapped Shatner for Danson though.

Debo, just google "back to back world war champions" and theres people out there that print it on everything from hats to banana hammocks, if you felt like rocking something that patriotically revealing. I used the printing company Zazzle.com for mine, my hat that is, not the hammock.

July 25, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
ordinaryguy said...

Rushmore...Dennis Franz aka Andy Sipowitz NYPD Blue, McLean Stevenson aka Henry Blake MASH, Howard Hesseman aka Dr Johnny Fever WKRP in Cincinnatti and finally in another home town shout out, Hugh Beaumont aka Ward Cleaver

July 25, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.
memphisexile said...

Red Foxx=Fred Sanford

July 25, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
fechancellor said...

Mr. T, of him George Peppard famously said, "It's no act." Adam West asking Homer, Lisa and Bart," does anyone remember the Batusi?"

Larry Storch, "F Troop" is all he has if he's even still around opening strip centers and the like.

John Denver as Gilligan, nuff said. Al Hale, Jr. destroying his carefully built career as a fine character on the silver screen.

Then's there's the enduring quarterback controversy between Tina Louis and Dawn Wells

July 25, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.
sportsfan said...

Jay - say hi to the Doctor for me. Here's a few to consider for your list - Ron Howard as Opie (even as a director Opie is my first thought), Bob Denver as Gilligan, Maureen McCormick as Marsha Brady, Peter Falk as Columbo, and my wife would say Matt Damon as Bourne (disappointing he won't be in the upcoming film...)

July 25, 2012 at 1 p.m.

Fred Sanford, Louie Depalma from Taxi, Rerun from What's Happening & Gilligan. And yes, I look forward to Wednesday night Dallas ALMOST as much as I did the Friday night Dallas. And now I am old enough to know better.

July 25, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.
jgreeson said...

JMCook —

We could do a cartoon version for sure.

Hank Hill is a good one too. And Mike Judge was Jennifer Anniston's boss at the fern barn in "Office Space" and every time Judge spoke, we were waiting for him to say, "Dang it, Bobby."

And Disney is an inspired call. And if you have ever seen Trey Parker do Eric Cartman's voice, well, that's all you can hear come from Trey Parker forever.

FE to the C —

Great point that a QB controversy this late can be deadly. (And, although Auburn has not named a started, we believe Auburn has decided on Keihl Fraizer and has not announced it yet because Auburn can't afford Clint Moseley to transfer.) And a team can be really divided when that quarterback controversy is between guys from opposite races. We're not sayin', just sayin'.

Mr. 962 —

That would have been awesome to watch — the basketball scrimmage that is, not your banana hammock.

OG —

Dr. Johnny Fever is a great call.

Exile —

Fred G. Sanford — the G. stands for "Gonna kick your tail" — finished fifth on our ballot. No kidding.

FE to the C, part II —

Mr. T may be the Bo Jackson, dual sport super star of this list. He has B.A. Barracus on TV and Clubber Lang on the big screen.

sportsfan —

Falk is great. In fact, he probably should be in the team picture for the all-timers.

Ron Howard and Bob Denver each had big roles on two big shows: Howard as Opie and Richie C and Denver as Gilligan and Maynard G. Krebbs on Dobie Gillis.

Wow, there is way too much useless knowledge in our mellon.

— 5-at-10

July 25, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

I gotta not take Dennis Franz because of his role on Hill Street Blues before he did NYPD Blue. In that case, why not Daniel J. Travanti as Capt. Frank Furrillo (seriously, he did something else after that?)

Peter Falk also sticks out in my mind for "The Princess Bride" (with a young Fred Savage as the ailing grandson he's reading the story to) and of course ... "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World." With Buddy Hackett, Sid Caesar, Milton Berle, Spencer Tracy, Mickey Rooney, Ethel Merman ... I shall stop there before I hit ... the big dubba-ya.

Have the baseball trades so far been any more under the radar? I didn't know Anibal Sanchez and Hanley Ramirez had been dealt until I saw it in the transactions listings? ESPN is covering every Dream Team untied shoelace so much, the baseball trading activity is going unnoticed. Except for the trades that aren't getting made (I'm looking at you, Mr. Dempster.)

July 25, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

JonathanMCook,

Having spent most of my life living between Charleston-Savannah-Jacksonville, I can say that most of the big concerts I have seen have been in Jacksonville. I don't know if I'd call it underrated, but I know which of those three I have mentioned is overrated. Quite a bit so, too.

July 25, 2012 at 2:11 p.m.
Livn4life said...

Muschamp is fine until he loses to Derek Dooley and then there will be Gator fur flying all over Gainesville. Speaking of, I'm going to Destin and plan on having Gator for an appetizer. Man I really would love to see BJ Coleman get some playing time...but, who knows? Olympics? What are the Olympics? I got John Boy--Richard Thomas and Gomer Pyle--Jim Nabors Jethro--Max Baer(not the aspirin), Gilligan--Bob Denver(no relation to John). I'm through or is that thru?

July 25, 2012 at 2:21 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

This is not a rebuttal but one of the reasons I referenced J-ville as underrated is the fact it tends to get shadowed over heavy destination favorites, Tampa, Orlando and Miami.

Wednesday Dallas is fun to watch for those of us living there just to simply play "guess the location". BTW-We do not hold the Cattle Baron's Ball at the American Airlines Center (Or ACC was we call it).

Jay-

I like the cartoon Rushmore concept but in order for it to work (and not insult hardcore toonheads like myself), there needs to be one major rule in play: The person in reference cannot be an overall celeb like you see on Ice Age or Shrek or whatever. It has to be someone who is known for their character. As mentioned before, Mike Judge=Hank Hill, Trey Parker=Eric Cartman, Mel Blanc=Bugs Bunny, Peter Cullin=Optimus Prime/Ironhide*

*The movies DO NOT count (except the original 1986 version)

But save for a later date.

July 25, 2012 at 3:02 p.m.
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