published Wednesday, March 28th, 2012

The Textbook

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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onetinsoldier said...

Evolution will eventually rid of us of these mental neanderthals, but in the mean time, they will continue to try and keep their children as ignorant as they are. The world is a changing and not to your narrow minds or ways. YOU'RE MONSTERS DOING TERRIBLE THINGS TO CHILDREN AND TOO STUPID TO REALIZE IT. Your children will be mocked for their ignorance and you should be flogged for yours. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, particularly one not your own. Build your Madrasas' you sick freeks. Next you will require children to rock back and forth while they recite psalms. You are the American Taliban and should be leary of drones.

March 28, 2012 at 12:41 a.m.
acerigger said...

Dayton,Tn. has long been referred to as "Monkey Town"(after Scopes Trial), now we get "Monkey State"!?

I'm so proud!Ain't you proud?

Thanks Bo.

March 28, 2012 at 12:51 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE?

Why would you believe the Bible is reliable science?

Somewhere in Genesis the entire climate change debate is purportedly put to bed with this: “As long as the earth remains there will be springtime and harvest, cold and heat, winter and summer, day and night.”

Do you believe that thoroughly dismisses climate scientists?

Do you NOT believe evolution because Biblical chronolgoy calculates the World to be around 6,000 years old?

Maybe the Bible should only be studied for its spiritual relevance. The Constitution guarantees the freedom to worship anyway you wish. I respect that, and I respect your religion.

So if you would do unto others as you would have others do unto you, please keep your religion out of my child's textbook, or I'll petition to put MY religion into YOURS.

March 28, 2012 at 12:58 a.m.
Emersization said...

Excellent research performed by an orthodontist on Neanderthal fossils. Jack Couzzo, uses a special dental x-ray machine to discover fraud and fabrication by paleontologists in Europe, who has possession of the fossils. Couzzo, discovers: "Red Ochre", a substance used in burial rituals; resetting (dislocated TM Fossa)of the jawbone to make look apelike; computer generated time-age progression of a 900 year old, before the last Ice Age. However, only humans have burial rituals, meaning; we did not come from monkeys.

Please watch and be educated, for the truth shall set you free.

Here is a link to his website for more resources: http://www.jackcuozzo.com/

March 28, 2012 at 3:46 a.m.
joneses said...

If one wants to go around saying their ancestors were a bunch of monkeys that is their right. I wonder how their ancestors would feel about that? I prefer to believe I and everyone else are God's creations. Maybe a new name for the liberal, atheist, christian haters should be "Chimps". We could call the fat ones "Gorillas". LOL!

Actually I think it a waste of time and effort to even be discussing something as irrelevant as evolution.

March 28, 2012 at 5:38 a.m.
EaTn said...

In my right hand is my Bible which I read daily to guide me in my faithful walk with my Creator and to help me spread its love and understanding to my neighbor. In my left hand is my science book which contains all the accumulated knowledge that my Creator has given earthly men and women the abilities to discover. The Bible is not a science book--and the science book is not a Bible. My our state legislation so understand.

March 28, 2012 at 5:39 a.m.
dougmusn said...

@joneses: "Actually I think it a waste of time and effort to even be discussing something as irrelevant as evolution."

As a doctor, I believe evolution is HIGHLY relevant every time I need to treat a drug resistant infection. These germs EVOLVED to fight against our antibiotics. If you get TB in New York City, you stand a real change of having an UNTREATABLE disease (Google "XDRTB"). Lebanon, Tennessee was the site of an outbreak of hypercommunicable tuberculosis (17 people waiting for a hamburger got the infection after a 10 minute exposure to one sick person). Now, if these two genetic instructions COMBINE, we will be back in the 1880's in our treatment of tuberculosis. You can also be scared if you wish by MRSA or VRE if you want to check these acronyms out. All are the result of evolution in the microbial world. If you value human life, evolution MATTERS.

March 28, 2012 at 6:05 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Well said, EaTn.

Science and Christianity are not in conflict - except in the minds of those who would use Scripture as a primer in science and those who would use science to "disprove" the reality of the Creator.

March 28, 2012 at 6:09 a.m.
MTJohn said...

joneses said...Actually I think it a waste of time and effort to even be discussing something as irrelevant as evolution.

...except that evolution is fundamental to understanding life on this planet. As dougmusn pointed out, evolution is basic to the practice of medicine - and not just in treating mutating disease organism but in the understanding of the form & function of the human body. Also, note that all of the edibles on your dinner table are the "product" of evolution.

March 28, 2012 at 6:20 a.m.
BluesHarp said...

“The sure foundations of the state are laid in knowledge, not in ignorance; and every sneer at education, at culture, at book learning,which is the recorded wisdom of the experience of mankind, is the demagogue's sneer at intelligent liberty,inviting national degeneracy and ruin.”  -George William Curtis

"At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols."

“Most ignorance is vincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know.” - Aldous Huxley

"There are three classes of men; the retrograde, the stationary and the progressive."
- Johann Kaspar Lavater

"Refusal to believe until proof is given is a rational position; denial of all outside of our own limited experience is absurd." -Annie Besant

"Humanity has the stars in its future, and that future is too important to be lost under the burden of juvenile folly and ignorant superstition. "

"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them."

"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom."

"To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today."

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

"When I read about the way in which library funds are being cut and cut, I can only think that American society has found one more way to destroy itself."

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

-Issac Asimov (all seven)

March 28, 2012 at 6:45 a.m.
joneses said...

I stand corrected and appreciate your comments. I think the theory of evolution regarding man evolving from monkeys is not relevant as it has nevr been proven. As a Christian I know man, as well as earth and everything on earth was created by God. I also think it a waste of time for our country to continue wasting money trying to find life on other planets and invest money in evolution and other fields for the sole purpose of trying to discredit the belief in God.

March 28, 2012 at 7:13 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

joneses, you have the freedom to remain ignorant and to deny reality, according to our constitution. Enjoy!

March 28, 2012 at 7:16 a.m.
joneses said...

Ikeithlu

And you have the freedom to be the fool you are and to believe you are part monkey. Do you still walk on all fours or have you learned how to stand upright? Can you identify blue on a color chart yet? ROTFLMAO

March 28, 2012 at 7:21 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You're a creep, joneses/francis but you ARE funny. I am actually not "part monkey" but "all primate", thank you very much.

March 28, 2012 at 7:26 a.m.
delmar said...

joneses said... "As a Christian I know man, as well as earth and everything on earth was created by God."

And you "know" this how?

March 28, 2012 at 7:27 a.m.
chet123 said...

WELL,WELL,WELL...IF IT ISNT JONESES TRYING TO LECTURE ON GOD AND CHRISTIANITY.....THIS MAN HARBOR HATE 24HR A DAY...WHAT INFLUENCE DO HE THINK HE HAS.....

JONESES...LET ME SHARE SOMETHING WITH YOU....ANYONE CONSIDERING CHRISTIANITY AND ON THE EDGE OF CONVERTING...AFTER TALKING TO YOU AND SEE YOU NARROW IDEAS THEY WOULD CHANGE THEIR MIND AND WOULD RUN AS FAST AS THEY CAN FROM CHRISTIANITY.

I HAVE READ YOUR POSTING...THIS IS WHY I KNOW YOU ARE SOUTHERN BAPTIST....NO OTHER RELIGION GROUP WOULD STOOP AS LOW AS SOUTHERN BAPTIST.....THEY HAVE NOTHING TO HANG THEIR HAT ON...NOTHING!.(THE CHURCH MIGHT AS WELL BE A SOCIAL CLUB)...BUT TEACHING HATE FROM THE PULPIT...AND DESTROYING SMALL CHILDREN MINDS....

YOU TALK ABOUT ATHEIST!!!!THERE ARE ATHEIST I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR THAN YOU....THEY ARE MUCH MORE KINDER AND SPIRITUAL...I FEEL SORROW FOR YOU....I GUESS THAT THE WAY YOUR PAPPY AND MAMA RAISED YOU IN THAT LITTLE "HATE BOX" YOU CALL CHURCH.

March 28, 2012 at 7:31 a.m.
chet123 said...

LISTEN TO A PAGANIST LIKE JONESES TALK ABOUT GOD..HA HA HA HA....WHO IS YOUR GOD JONESES!!! A "DOLLAR BILL" HA HA HA HA HA...HEY JONESES....YOU CANT WORSHIP TWO GOD HA HA HA HA....YOU WILL WORSHIP ONE AND HATE THE OTHER.....WHAT A FOOL! WHAT A FOOL!

March 28, 2012 at 7:35 a.m.
joneses said...

delmar,

I am not going to waste time getting into a creation fact versus an evolution theory with you. If you want to believe you are part monkey like ikeithlu that is fine and actually entertaining to me. Maybe you two can chimp on down to the produce section of Publix and meet for lunch. I heard Publix has a nice variety of bananna's. I hope there is a stand of trees with plenty of vines between your house and the closest Publix as that will make transportation to Publix more natural to you. Be careful swinging from tree to tree on your way monkey man. Don't let your tail get caught on anything. LOL

March 28, 2012 at 7:36 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I am not going to waste time getting into a creation fact versus an evolution theory with you

translation: I have no basis from which to argue my side, and no evidence to support my stance. I am also intellectually dishonest and unwilling to consider that I might be wrong, so it's easier to put my fingers in my ears and shout so I can't hear you.

Fixed that for you joneses/francis

March 28, 2012 at 7:51 a.m.
chet123 said...

JONESES...YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT HERE TO WASTE YOUR TIME?????HA HA HA...THAT MEAN YOU ABOUT TO RUN LIKE A SCARED RABBIT..HA HA HA HA HA

LET ME SAY THIS...I DONT BELEIVE YOUR HAVE EVOLVED FROM A MONKEY...THAT WOULD BE INSULTING THE MONKEY.......

SO YOU CANT SWING FROM TREE TO TREE....YOUR BODY TOO LONG AND ARMS TOO SHORT

YOU EVOLVED FROM THE WEASEL...YEP!!! THOSE SHORT ARMS AND LONG NARROW BODY TO MATCH YOUR NARROW MIND..HA HA HA..THE WEASEL....THAT ALL YOU ARE A WEISEL THAT HIDE BEHIND GOD....HA HA HA

March 28, 2012 at 8:05 a.m.
moon4kat said...

It is a form of child abuse to teach kids things that are simply not true. They won't thank you for that when they grow up and try to compete in the real world. Believe religious superstitions on your own time, if you must, but keep them out of schools.

March 28, 2012 at 8:10 a.m.

joneses,

time and time again I am struck by the amount of stpidity you and your likes are representing.

If I read your words, I have a grand Inquisitor from the 16 th century in front of my mind speaking the verdict against Galileo and all the others defending the Copernican model. You would fight with all means, and no brains, against any progress or whatsever might contradict the writings of a book written by clueless people.

You are a shame for modern society.... such as the Vatican was a shame for society in the middle ages...

March 28, 2012 at 8:12 a.m.
chet123 said...

JONESES LIVE IN A VACUUM....THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL LEARN BEHAVIOR.....SOMEONE DID IT TO HIM HA HA HA HA

March 28, 2012 at 8:19 a.m.
EaTn said...

Did you hear that they are planning a reality show called the Nashville legislation hillbillies? The plot revolves around a woodsy East 10EC fellow that makes it to the state legislation. He was out hunting with a gun lobbyist then strikes it rich in black gold--coal that is, contributions from the mountain top coal lobby. The granny of the family don't believe the new science junk and has conjured up her own "remedies" to cure all ills.

March 28, 2012 at 8:20 a.m.
chet123 said...

JONESES...WEASEL YOURSELF OVER TO PUBLIX AND WELCOME YOURSELF TO THE "RAW CHICKEN"....WEASEL FOOD! HA HA HA HA

WHAT A "OFF THE WALL LOONEY"

March 28, 2012 at 8:24 a.m.
joneses said...

If you fools do not believe in creationism than why are you so intimidated by it? I love the unintended threat I and Christians like me pose to you. I actually love it.

March 28, 2012 at 8:25 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

If you fools do not believe in creationism than why are you so intimidated by it?

Like we are intimidated by Bozo the Clown? If this goes through I hope that a teacher will have the guts to show all the evidence that falsifies Creation "science" and ID, as well as all the creation myths from the various cultures. Watch the fur fly then! The bill will be rescinded fast.

March 28, 2012 at 8:35 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

All you have to do it look around to see that evolution is the answer. Gang-bangers, child molesters and deadbeats on the streets prove that the process has stopped at the animal stage for some.

March 28, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
shifarobe said...

I don't believe in evolution as it's taught. Living things evolve, there's too much evidence to not believe that, but we DID NOT COME FROM APES. That's full of holes. But I'll tell you, I sure as hell am believing in devolution more and more every time OBOOB and his gang of donkeys keep on doing what they're doing, which is toss their poop around until they get their way.

March 28, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Blackwater48 said: "So if you would do unto others as you would have others do unto you, please keep your religion out of my child's textbook, or I'll petition to put MY religion into YOURS."

Is the fight really about religious liberty or is it about the divisive politics of the Republican neo-cons – in this case, it would reflect Strauss's Utility of Religious Belief 101 at work?

March 28, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
conservative said...

Psalm 2

1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

March 28, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

onetinsoldier = one sick puppy

March 28, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.
ibshame said...

"shifarobe said... I don't believe in evolution as it's taught. Living things evolve, there's too much evidence to not believe that, but we DID NOT COME FROM APES. That's full of holes. But I'll tell you, I sure as hell am believing in devolution more and more every time OBOOB and his gang of donkeys keep on doing what they're doing, which is toss their poop around until they get their way"

I kept wondering when someone would put President Obama's name into this mix. Sadly this has jack to do with President Obama but instead it is just another example of the stupidity and ignorance of the majority of lawmakers in Nashville. Not only does it speak to their ignorance and stupidity but it also speaks to the ignorance and stupidity of those who continue to send this bunch of yahoos to make laws for the state of Tennessee.

Just a little while ago a sub-committee of the State Senate voted to allow guns to be brought on to school property as well as other public property and businesses in a car in the parking lot. For years at the very least it was understood no guns(or weapons) would be allowed on school property but now this bunch of yahoos has decided it's ok to bring a gun onto school property as long as it's in your car in the parking lot. When will someone have the decency to stand up for what is RIGHT and not what the NRA pays them to do? Evidently no time soon.

"Tennessee handgun-permit holders and licensed hunters over age 21 will be allowed to store weapons in their locked vehicles parked on public lots, including schools, as well as parking lots owned by retailers, factories and other businesses under legislation moving in the Senate.

The bill, intended as a compromise between businesses and the National Rifle Association, passed the Republican-controlled Judiciary Committee on a 6-1 vote with two other lawmakers abstaining."

March 28, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
MTJohn said...

joneses said...As a Christian I know man, as well as earth and everything on earth was created by God.

Joneses - as a Christian, I also believe that man, as well as earth and everything on earth was created by God. The theory of evolution might contradict Bishop Usher's calendar. However, evolution does not contradict the belief that God created the universe.

The statement, "I believe in God, the Father, creator of heaven and earth" is a profession of faith. It is not a profession of reason. Science, including the theory of evolution, is bounded by reason. Science can neither prove nor dis-prove the reality of a Creator. Evolution is nothing more than a description of the creation - after the fact of the creative event.

March 28, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

For those of you that deny evolution, do your know what you blood type is? Do you know what RH factor you have? Do you know what an RH factor is? Evolution has been proven. Ask yourself why when these things go to court, that the creationists always lose. Well here is why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3O6K...

March 28, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
MTJohn said...

shifarobe said...I don't believe in evolution as it's taught. Living things evolve, there's too much evidence to not believe that, but we DID NOT COME FROM APES.

You apparently did not learn evolution, as it is taught. Yes, living things evolve. And, just as living things today evolve, living things have been evolving since the creation.

The notion that man "came from apes" is an over-simplified way of thinking about the fossil record. It is not central to the theory of evolution.

March 28, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Whatsnottaken said: "All you have to do it look around to see that evolution is the answer. Gang-bangers, child molesters and deadbeats on the streets prove that the process has stopped at the animal stage for some."

No, animals take care of their young, Whatsnottaken. I think most of the problems you identify are uniquely human and are more diretly related to greed, neglect, intolerance, money worship, and the destructive influence of selfish Republican neo-con politics. Interestingly, the Catholic Pope John Paul II seemed to have a lot of savvy about the overall problem in America:

"More and more, in many countries of America, a system known as 'neoliberalism' prevails; based on a purely economic conception of man, this system considers profit and the law of the market as its only parameters, to the detriment of the dignity of and the respect due to individuals and peoples. At times this system has become the ideological justification for certain attitudes and behavior in the social and political spheres leading to the neglect of the weaker members of society. Indeed, the poor are becoming ever more numerous, victims of specific policies and structures which are often unjust." [Pope John II]

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_22011999_ecclesia-in-america_en.html

March 28, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
librul said...

If Conservative can litter the forums with crossposted ignorant blather (9:29), then those of us who stand our ground for logic and knowledge must defend truth with counterpoint:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/index.shtml

What's the difference between the Lone Ranger and God? There really is a Lone Ranger. -- Edward Abbey, from, Vox Clamantis In Deserto


Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centures since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly. -- Isaac Asimov, Canadian Atheists Newsletter, 1994


If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss bank. -- Woody Allen, "Selections from the Allen Notebooks," in New Yorker, Nov. 5, 1973


In Italy, the Inquisition was condemning people to death until the end of the eighteenth century, and inquisitional torture was not abolished in the Catholic Church until 1816. The last bastion of support for the reality of witchcraft and the necessity of punishment has been the Christian churches. -- Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World, page 413


Methinks sometimes I have no more wit than a Christian. -- Shakespeare, Twelfth Night, Act 1, Scene 3, quoted from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief

March 28, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Let it go. The "argument" allows:

Creationists a forum to pontificate. Evolutionists the forum to impress with their faux "enlightenment".

An exercise in futility.

March 28, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.
timbo said...

joneses.....There is no discussion to be had on a subject that is settled. Evolution is not a theory it is a fact. To say that a story written 5000 years ago is "proof" shows a profound misunderstanding of the definition of a scientific fact. Scientific fact is defined as "An observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final)

That is exactly the case with evolution.

It is not and cannot be the case with a premise that is based on faith and a story written by primitive people explaining there view of the universe. These stories, whether they be Greek gods, Norse gods, Hindu, Christian, etc, etc. are not proof and where never meant to be.

Lastly, religion has always been the enemy of reason and science. History shows this time after time.

March 28, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MtJohn said: "As a Christian, I also believe that man, as well as earth and everything on earth was created by God. The theory of evolution might contradict Bishop Usher's calendar. However, evolution does not contradict the belief that God created the universe."

Well stated, MtJohn. Interesting, how Tennessee Republican fundamentalist politicians peddle a literal version of the Genesis creation narrative, but totally ignore Matthew 6 when it comes to prayer in their proposed “Religious Viewpoints Antidiscrimination Act." For the benefit of those who may not be familiar with Matthew 6, it says:

“And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.” [Matthew 6]

March 28, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
timbo said...

mountainlaurel...Using something a Pope said about the poor is like Barack Obama giving a talk on fiscal responsibility. The Catholic church and the Vatican have billions of dollars they could use for the poor. There is no bigger hypocrite that tries to lecture the rest of us about the poor while living like a king in a castle surrounded by gold and rare works of art while people around the world are starving. Excuse me for not feeling guilty.

The Pope should lead by example. Jesus had no money and said several negative things about people who did have money. The Catholic church falls in that category.

Really, your reference is a good comparison about hypocrites like liberals and the pope who want to take my money while living like kings themselves.

March 28, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
chet123 said...

I LOVE JONESES RAW IGNORANCE....SO YOU THINK YOU ARE A THREAT???????..HEY JONESES....LET ME HELP YOU OUT.....IT WAS THE NON-BELEIVERS(ATHEIST) THAT CREATE THE NAME CHRISTIAN....DO YOUR HOME WORK STUPID......THIS DEMONSTRATE HOW STUPID YOU ARE JONESES....BEFORE THEY WAS CALLED CHRISTIAN THEY WERE CALLED PEOPLE OF THE WAY...IN ANTIOCH....THIS IS BECAUSE THEY BEHAVED LIKE JESUS THE CHRIST....THEY EXEMPLIFIED LOVE AND FOREGIVENESS....SOMETHING YOU DONT HAVE JONESES.....I HAVE HEARD ALL YOUR HATE TALK AND BIGOTRY YOU DEGRADE THE BRAND NAME CHRISTIAN.....LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN!!!...I HAVE HEARD ALL YOUR HATE TALK.....YOUR BIGOTRY BEHAVIOR IS NOT CONSISTENCE WITH THE LIFE OF CHRIST......

I HAVE A QUESTION TO ASK YOU....WHO TAUGHT YOU AS A CHILD....WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOU WERE CHRISTIAN..WHO IS YOUR PASTOR???..YOU ARE AN IGNORANT OLD MAN..HA HA HA

TALK HATE....THEN WRAP YOURSELF UP IN HOLINESS AND CHRISTIANITY HA HA HA....YOU ARE AN OLD FOOL HA HA HA

March 28, 2012 at 11 a.m.
chet123 said...

HA HA HA TIMBO AND JONESES GOT NERVE ENOUGH TO TALK ABOUT EXAMPLES HA HA HA HA

March 28, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
chet123 said...

THE NERVE OF THESE SOUTHERN BAPTIST RIGHT-WING REPUBLICAN PROFESSING TO BE DISCIPLE OF CHRIST ...NOW THATS A JOKE....THESE ARE AGENT OF SATAN....HYPOCRITE STUCKED IN A VACUUM....SEE THEMSELVE HOLY.....I THINK THERES SOME MENTAL STUFF GOING ON HERE

March 28, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
shifarobe said...

"the enemy of reason and science" like the belief that an unborn human being is not a person/human being, and can be eliminated for the sake of inconvenience, and that it shouldn't be labeled as murder? Morons.

OBOOB is THE perfect example of devolution. You would think that he would have learned over the years that NEARLY ALL of the problems human beings have with each other stem from the desire to control, CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL other human beings. CONTROL WHAT THEY THINK, WHAT THEY DO, WHERE THEY GO, WHAT THEY SAY, WHAT THEY EAT. That is OBOOB'S vision and it's absolute proof that he's either incapable of learning from even recent history or believes he's smarter than the A**S who tried the same thing before him. He has not evolved. He's so stupid and such a donkey that he can stare through binoculars into North Korea from South Korea and mutter to himself about how bleak it looks there, without it occurring to him that what he's seeing is the logical extension of the vision he and Democrats have for this country.

March 28, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

If you really believe in god, you should be upset that he created you stupid. Evolution would say that you are just randomly ignorant while believing in god assumes he made you that way. I aspire to be a god not worship one. Have a blessed day.

March 28, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
shifarobe said...

Oh, yeah, Onepinheadsoldier, you're close to being a god, really close. Kind of the like the way OBOOB thinks he is.

March 28, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
timbo said...

chet123....do you even read the other posts? What in the heck is wrong with you?

March 28, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
chet123 said...

WHAT WRONG???? YOU WANT ME OFF YOUR BUTT???IT WONT HAPPEN....OTHER POSTS ARE NOT AS VILE AND BIGOTRY AS YOUR AND JONESES,MYMY AND ABOUT TWO OTHERS....YOU THINKING COME FROME YOUR HOME AND CHURCH.....THIS TYPE OF THINKING COME FROM SOMEONE THAT YOU TRUSTED....I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU....THEY BETRAYED YOU TIMBO.....

March 28, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
chet123 said...

SHIFAROBE IS ANOTHER NUCKLEHEAD.....THIS MAN WILL SAY ANYTHING...ITS DOESNT MATTER IF ITS A LIE....THEY SAY IT ANYWAY....

March 28, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
timbo said...

shifarobe... I despise Obama and what he stands for. The problem is I am not willing to trade one controlling philosophy for another. If religion is the vehicle of "control" it is no better than socialism or communism. The individual still gets the shaft.

How in the world did you take a discussion about evolution down the abortion path? I was commenting on the fact that a few million people have been burned at the stake and slaughtered in the name of religion. That includes all religions. The Catholic church was just plain evil before the 13th century.

Basically, you sound as emotional and nonsensical as the liberals that post on this site.

March 28, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
librul said...

Shifarobe: There is no such thing as a "person/human being" that cannot draw breath outside the womb. You and your army of little blobs of protoplasm can go straight to that "hell" you keep sticking under everybody's nose. Nobody calls a chicken a chicken until it breaks out of the egg and starts peeping. You people should all go to your local Bi-Lo and demand that eggs be placed in the meat section.

March 28, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
chet123 said...

SHIFAROBE....ARE YOU MAD AT OBAMA BECAUSE HE DIDNT MARRY YOUR SISTER????...OR DAUGHTER????Hmmmm?

ALSO, HOW CAN YOU CRITICIZE ANOTHER CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION WHEN YOU ARE SOUTHERN BAPTIST HA HA HA

March 28, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.
timbo said...

librul...I have to admit that "You people should all go to your local Bi-Lo and demand that eggs be placed in the meat section." was a good one. Pretty funny.

I didn't know liberals had a sense of humor.

March 28, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.
chet123 said...

YES TIMBO...WE HAVE 2EYE 1NOSE 2EARS 1MOUTH..HEY TIMBO....DO YOURSELF A FAVOR!!!STOP WATCHING FOX TV HA HA HA

March 28, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
timbo said...

chet123.... and you have the caps button and don't have any idea how to use it.

March 28, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.
chet123 said...

TIMBO...YOU DESPISE OBAMA.....WELL I DESPISE YOU TIMBO....SO WHILE YOU WATCHING OBAMA...I'M WATCHING YOU!!!!! THIS THE GREAT THING ABOUT FREEDOM...I ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO HATE HA HA HA

March 28, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
chet123 said...

I WANT YOU TO SEE TIMBO...THIS CAP FOR YOU..HA HA HA!!

March 28, 2012 at 11:47 a.m.
timbo said...

chet123....I guess your out again on work release. Was that from prison or the insane asylum?

Hope to see me? What exactly does that mean? That might be your second biggest mistake in your life.

By the way, you wouldn't know freedom if it bit you on the ass.

I knew you would finally admit that you are a racist...as if we didn't know.

Your a joke.

March 28, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

*Timbo said: “The Catholic church and the Vatican have billions of dollars they could use for the poor. There is no bigger hypocrite that tries to lecture the rest of us about the poor. . . Jesus had no money and said several negative things about people who did have money. . .Really, your reference is a good comparison about hypocrites like liberals and the pope who want to take my money while living like kings themselves.”

Well, I did say that I thought the comment was interesting, Timbo. But for the record, please note I’ve registered your concerns about the potential hypocrisy involved in Pope John Paul II's statement and placed it next to my own concerns about the hypocrisy among some of our Tennessee lawmakers, preachers, bishops, and religious organizations.

As for the teachings of Jesus and the hypocrisy of the day award, I think this particular award has to go to some of ALEC’s Republican lawmakers like Bo Watson. Let’s face it, maneuvering to establish educational policies created by some of the largest polluters in the world in Tennessee's public school system is about as sneaky and cynical as it gets.

March 28, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.

The Suggest Removal button was made for Chet and others like him who refuse to play nice in the sandbox. Use it.

Same should go for Clay Bennett. His intolerance of others should be flagged for removal.

March 28, 2012 at 12:17 p.m.
timbo said...

mountainlaurel.... I usually support the republicans in Nashville but you are right on this subject and about that piss-ant Bo Watson.

By the way, this whole thing came out of ex-senator David Fowler. He is manipulating little Bo as usual.

March 28, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
limric said...

lkeithlu,

Joneses contention that you (we) are intimidated by creationism has certain a certain amount of truth. Why? Is it because it has all the validity of a 747 being held up in the air by divine providence? No, it is but because “People like him see you as evil. They constantly complain that it is they that are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force you to practice what they do.” : paraphrased from a D. Dale Gulledge quote

When Jesus Christ came upon the earth, you killed him, the son of your own God, you nailed him up! You thought he was dead, but you were mistaken. And only after you thought you killed him did you worship him, and then start killing those who would not.” :Tecumseh

Christians show up, the above happens - 100% of the time.

"The world holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence." - Abu Ala Al-Maari

March 28, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
potcat said...

Tu_tu let me assure you of one thing, i don't know who you are and hopefully never will. I don't play no bad ass, i am who i am on this thread or any where else.

unlike you i don't believe a word you hatefully spew,nor does anyone else. You are a festering sore in everyones side, you are a lowlife raised by the lowlife things you call mama and daddy.

Bring It ON!!!

March 28, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
timbo said...

limric....On this subject I have to say...good point.

March 28, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.
potcat said...

Tu_Lo have you ever tanggled up with a polecat, come on smartass, Bring IT,i am sick of YOU!!!

March 28, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.
acerigger said...

nooga said..."every time I've done business with someone openly claiming to be a christian I've gotten screwed."

Sad but true in too many cases,so many,in fact,that I refuse to do business with anyone who advertises their religion.

March 28, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.

nooga and acerigger: Your experiences are very sad to read. American religionists deceive one another, too. Seems like the relativist ethic has penetrated the institution that gave the west the standards of honesty and justice by which we judge such religionists. Very sad. Seems like they are making it tough for many people to avoid making bigoted statements about the fifth of the world population with which they affiliate. The same goes for Tennessee legislators.

The cartoon points to yet another silly law passed by legislators with way too much time on their hands. Welcome to Tennessee. Congress and the state legislature tend to remain in session about twice as long as they should. An ironic cartoon, though, from the crowd arguing “Constitution Schmonstitution” at the SCOTUS this week over another silly law.

“To CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin, the questioning by justices Wednesday signaled they are ready to invalidate the individual mandate, a step he said could put the entire law in jeopardy.

"I think the individual mandate is gone, based on the questioning," Toobin said after the morning session, adding: "It sure looks like there are at least five votes to get rid of ... the individual mandate."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/28/politics/scotus-health-care/index.html

March 28, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Most people would agree that history is written by the winners. Well, Jesus died. So the winners wrote that history. Fortunately, we can go back and see just how screwed up they made it. They never really counted on that, did they?

It also seems that the conservatives are not happy with the bible either, so they are going to re-write it, leaving out any parts they deem too liberal. Wonder if they intend on correcting the virgin-maiden, sin-obstacle, dream-holy vision, or the many contradictions? Wonder if this one will tell them they can pray outside of the closet now. "Yes, even scripture is not orthodox enough for the modern conservative." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/conservative-bible-projec_n_310037.html

Who needs comics anymore.....these people are hilarious!

March 28, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.

The teaching that losers can become winners by choosing to lose so that others may win. Another baffling irony of the good news. Paul said it would be like this.

March 28, 2012 at 2:30 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

lkeith, I am surprised you are not arguing with MtJohn on his view of evolution. You have argued many a time that there was no creation but we simply evolved from primates.

Also, don't stoop to others levels of calling them names. Even tho you and I do not see eye to eye concerning evolution vs. creation (the Bible) I have always respected your postings as someone with intelligence and class.

WWWTW, yes paul amoung others said it would be like this. =)

March 28, 2012 at 3:10 p.m.
potcat said...

The BILLL is s... and you know it. It can never stand under the Constitution.

March 28, 2012 at 3:17 p.m.
shifarobe said...

WWWTW, exactly! It's a piece of crap legislation rammed through without anyone reading it and it's blatantly unconstitutional.

March 28, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.
fairmon said...

Children are smarter than adults give them credit for. Parents objecting to their children hearing or learning about theories they don't agree with are not helping their children to think for their self and become responsible adults. Evolution is a good example, it is not a secret theory nor is it harmful to hear what some people believe. It was taught when I attended school years ago. The teacher didn't try to convince anyone it was accurate nor did they try to prove it wrong.

The post at 3:09 by tu_quoque seems to be a reasonable guideline for teachers that may be uncomfortable with a subject with differing opinions. It would seem to be a learning opportunity for students to learn how to properly discuss a subject with dignity and respect. The legislatures can sure get wrapped up in fringe issues.Politicians spend more time placing blame and taking credit than they devote to addressing critical economic problems.

March 28, 2012 at 3:50 p.m.
potcat said...

Well brightAss does the Bill stand or not? Oh, I'm not Bright enough for you?hehehaha

March 28, 2012 at 4:05 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Timbo said: " I usually support the republicans in Nashville but you are right on this subject and about that piss-ant Bo Watson. By the way, this whole thing came out of ex-senator David Fowler. He is manipulating little Bo as usual."

Strange, but I was just reading an article that mentions David Fowler. I came across the article in a very roundabout way. It started a few days ago with an interesting commentary that I read by a Catholic scholar expressing his deep concerns about the heavy political influence of the neocons in U.S. politics, war, foreign policy, religion, and social/economics policies.

This article led me to several others articles written by a very diverse group of thinkers that ranged from libertarian Ron Paul to Pope John Paul II. Each emphasized the dangers involving various issues associated with neocon politics, particularly issues surrounding their push for perpetual wars, their belief in the “noble lie” system for the ruling elite, and their attitude involving the utility of religion and cultural wars for the rest of us – the masses.

Needless to say, it was the subject of the divisive use of religion and cultural wars that led me to David Fowler, who originally orchestrated Tennessee’s HB368 bill, which, of course, is now being sponsored by Republican Senator Bo Watson. Apparently, the text of the HB368 is a revised version of a legislative model developed by the Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture. It was called the “Academic Freedom Act.” The same text was the basis for bills that failed earlier in the Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, and New Mexico Legislatures.

According to Wikipedia, the Center for Science and Culture is a think tank in Seattle, Washington that “lobbies for the inclusion of creationism in the form of intelligent design (ID) in public school science curricula as an explanation for the origins of life and the universe while casting doubt on the theory of evolution.” The Institute claims to have no religious or political agenda, yet it has board members like Howard Ahmanson, who according to the Washington Post once said his goal is ‘the total integration of biblical law into our lives.’

As for Bo Watson, I wonder if Baylor teaches creationism in its classrooms?

March 28, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Tu quoque from 3:08 p.m,

The SCUTUS has ruled that it is unconstitutional for public schools to teach or promote Creationism or Intellectual Design as science. Taking that into account why don’t one of you so called Libtard "Bright" Boys/Girls tell us how those subjects will be taught in public schools due to this law. No your real fear is not that those subjects will be addressed but that some of your precious dogma may be questioned in front of young skulls full of mush.”

Why should they be taught at all in any public school? That’s what churches are for. You modern day Christian Taliban types keep wanting to shove your religious fantasies, aka ‘dogma’ on everyone. It has been shown over and over and over that Creationism or Intelligent Design is bogus and all attempts to foist YOUR religion in schools disguised as science has been exposed for the fraud it is.

"When one person suffers from delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion, it is called Religion." : Robert M. Pirsig

March 28, 2012 at 4:42 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Taking that into account why don’t one of you so called Libtard "Bright" Boys/Girls tell us how those subjects will be taught in public schools due to this law. No your real fear is not that those subjects will be addressed but that some of your precious dogma may be questioned in front of young skulls full of mush.

Real science has no dogma by definition. If this law is not allowing discussion of creationism or intelligent design or whatever you wanna call it as you imply, then what purpose does this bill even serve? Real science always questions itself. Creationism does not. If not the religious questions, then what else is currently being denied these science teachers?

March 28, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"Progressives" are at least as guilty of ignoring science when it does not support their belief system. This notion that progressives have that pet science is settled is very telling. Funny thing is they don't even know they are hypocrites.

March 28, 2012 at 4:52 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

moon4kat said... "It is a form of child abuse to teach kids things that are simply not true."

I wish we felt that way about politicians. Is it a form of citizen abuse to lie to your constituents? We have gotten to a very dangerous place where it is expected or at least tolerated for a politician to lie or misrepresent as a candidate and introduce a new agenda once elected. I know, I digress.

March 28, 2012 at 5 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

By the way. This is an example of Bennett's worst work. I hate these still lives. So Boring. So Uncreative!

March 28, 2012 at 5:02 p.m.
potcat said...

You are the Dunce stupid, lawsuits will persue and the Constitution will be Upheld.

March 28, 2012 at 5:27 p.m.
potcat said...

TUTU , you are the dunmbest person on this thread, trying your best to make make people think othwerwise, you are NOT Smart enough, whoever told you that you could DO this is Fu.... uped, and you are low graded Ho bitch, you do nothing for the conversation. Limric was RIGHT!!!! You are too not ever be considered. BYE, and Shut up.

March 28, 2012 at 5:42 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

What a nice thing to say, nurse! I found no issue with MTJohn's posts, although I am not entirely sure what he meant in the last one. Saying man came from apes is indeed inaccurate. Maybe that is what he was saying? Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor. We are physiologically and genetically closest to chimps; indeed, Jared Diamond wrote and interesting book called The Third Chimpanzee and explored the relative similarities between hominids, chimps and bonobos. A religious person might consider what gave us the "spark" that took us to a level of communication and cognitive ability. The only folks that have a problem with this idea are those that adhere to a young earth and divine creation. Unfortunately (for them) there is no other explanation for the presence of the hundreds of wonderful transitional hominid fossils that have been found.

March 28, 2012 at 6:08 p.m.
potcat said...

Ride On Sister Ikeithlu, such logic cannot be with these people.

March 28, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.
potcat said...

jonross , you are as clueless as your buddy, keep up the good lies, patriot my eye, 60,000 Americans died in Vietnam, you fu.....dumbass that are DEAD and I can NEVER FORGET. FU..YOU.

My husand went to NAM, you can't tell me nothing what WAR does to you, even if you are trying to FORGET.I hate Chicken sh.. mother fu......

Have you went and been drafted at 18, Mine was and i know the STORY, so shut your fu..... trap unless you know what the Hell your PUSSY ass is talking about

March 28, 2012 at 7:25 p.m.
potcat said...

LMAO come you stupid bi..., bring IT!!!

March 28, 2012 at 7:31 p.m.
MTJohn said...

lkeithlu said... I found no issue with MTJohn's posts, although I am not entirely sure what he meant in the last one. Saying man came from apes is indeed inaccurate. Maybe that is what he was saying? Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

That's part of it, lkeithlu. However, my post also took into consideration the scientific method and distinctions between the theory of evolution, which has been "proven" true through a rigorous application of the scientific method, and hypotheses related to the theory of evolution which are still being tested.

I put the story of human evolution in the hypothesis column. The fossil record is incomplete and likely will forever remain incomplete. Each new hominid fossil discovery seems to raise more questions than offer answers. Genetics offers promise for understanding among extant life forms. But, molecular genetics is a rapidly evolving science and still in a phase in which it, like anthropology, also raises more questions than answers. None of that is offered to criticize the science - just to caution against conclusions that go beyond the state of the art. That, by the way, is probably the most important lesson that Shifarobe should have but did not learn regarding evolution.

March 28, 2012 at 7:36 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said...

E.T. Sez:

'In my right hand is my Bible which I read daily to guide me in my faithful walk with my Creator and to help me spread its love and understanding to my neighbor. In my left hand is my science book which contains all the accumulated knowledge that my Creator has given earthly men and women the abilities to discover."

It’s called Cognitive Dissonance.

TQ - if you are into reading Scripture, I'd suggest reading Hebrews 11 and the various other passages that draw distinctions between God's wisdom and human reason.

Eatn's post was NOT an exercise in cognitive dissonance. Rather, it had to do with the difference between spiritual truth, which is discerned by faith, and scientific truth, which is discerned by reason.

March 28, 2012 at 7:42 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Thanks, MTJohn. The chances that a fossil will develop AT ALL is very low, and hominids went through one (and maybe more) population bottlenecks, so having any fossil evidence is pretty amazing. However, I disagree with your statement. That humans evolved: almost certain. How? the details may not ever be known. But even the fractured picture painted by fossil hominids and their ages and distribution, DNA, racial differences, cultural anthropology, etc, the story of human evolution from primate precursors is all but established. No other explanation does it.

March 28, 2012 at 7:55 p.m.
potcat said...

I'm waiting know it ALL, bring it on!!!

March 28, 2012 at 8:04 p.m.
potcat said...

I'm sure no one is

interested in debating you, your are so stupid who could????
March 28, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
potcat said...

tu tu forget blackwater he want give you the time of day, bring it on with me, you low life, you know nothing ABOUT reality and the things that some degenterant that raised you shows. Bring IT BIT..!!!

March 28, 2012 at 8:41 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Hmmmm. . . .

“The global race for talent is under way and the United States is falling behind. Fewer than half of American high school graduates are ready for college-level math, while even fewer are prepared for science courses in college.

That does not sit well with the country's leading employers, companies such as ExxonMobil, Dell Computer, Siemens, AT&T, Ford, Dow Chemical, and others in industries ranging from telecommunications to medicine. These corporations will not be able to build the next smartphones or antibiotics or automobiles without a workforce that understands math and science subject matter.”

http://education.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2011/09/27/new-jersey-high-school-best-in-nation-at-teaching-math-and-science

March 28, 2012 at 9:22 p.m.
potcat said...

big, shut the f... up.

March 28, 2012 at 9:23 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Sheriff Chuck Wright describes how a gunman entering a church is stopped by an armed citizen. Love this Sheriff's attitude.

I don't think you will see the MSM running this story, or The Wart doing a cartoon on it.

March 28, 2012 at 9:39 p.m.
steve_smith said...

Anybody read the bill?

March 28, 2012 at 9:44 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I LOVE u 2 potcat!

March 28, 2012 at 9:50 p.m.
shifarobe said...

So, librul, you monumental donkey turd, you're telling me my daughter was not a person in the womb, but only once she came out of the womb? That's the kind of reasoning and rational that leads to genocide, OH WAIT, IT IS GENOCIDE!! 60 MILLION KILLED SINCE 1973. They should have a sign somewhere, like McDonald's has, only it would say over 60 million killed. DANGEROUS, VERY DANGEROUS YOU LIBERALS ARE. See what you're telling me, you foul leftist swine, is that it would've been just as good a decision to not let her be born. You're evil. Don't ever cross my path.

March 28, 2012 at 10:10 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Now I ask again, who is more dangerous, Zimmerman or the race baiter machine?

http://nation.foxnews.com/spike-lee/2012/03/28/spike-lee-no-comment-dangerous-trayvon-martin-tweet

Spike Lee goes "activist" and tries to send his racially motivated hoard after Zimmerman and instead ends up targeting a couple in their 70's, who have been scared out of their home. It is probably lucky they were not burned alive by some "sympathetic soul". Those tolerant demokrats make me feel all warm and happy inside!

March 28, 2012 at 10:20 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Freedom of speech schmeedom of speech?

At least if the speech questions majority dogma.

Evolution is the theory that it's OK to eat evolutionists.

How 'bout, let teachers who want to teach creation, or Christianity, or anything else not on the curriculum, offer after-hours clubs, parental consent required, where they can say what they want? In class, they can mention meetings and briefly say what'll be covered, but no more than that. "Here in class I'm required to teach you these theories and make sure you understand them, but I myself think something else is true, and the Bible creation club meets at...if you're interested. Get your parents' written consent to come."

March 28, 2012 at 11:01 p.m.
moonpie said...

Tu quoque, Mntgrl anwered your question with elegance.

However, no theory should be beyond question. As a believer in evolution, I also believe it should be questioned. It is still a theory. True. It also has mountains of evidence to support it. That does not mean it has explained all changes.

As a person who seeks the truth, I welcome challenges. Because there is one thing I know for sure..... I will not always be right. I value truth more than winning an argument.

And I do have faith that no matter what bills may pass, we will progress to the overarching truths of evolution as a general principle.

Neither true believers or true seekers of truth should be threatened by challenges.

This bill cannot stop, only delay the inevitable.

And in the end, they are nothing compared to entropy.

March 28, 2012 at 11:16 p.m.
DocCutty said...

A ton of people here believe, apparently, that The Flintstones was a documentary. Wow.

March 28, 2012 at 11:28 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Anybody here willing to tell me the intelligent design behind nipples on males? Didn't think so. Just pretend it wasn't mentioned. Just go on believing that evolution is BS because somebody you thought was smart said something you can't remember which convinced you the case was closed.

March 28, 2012 at 11:33 p.m.
moonpie said...

Nipples on males are totally appropriate from a Biblical and evolutionary standpoint. Dude..... Really, do you understand neither the Bible nor evolution?

Come on!

Man was created in God's image..... Nothing mentioned about God's function.

March 28, 2012 at 11:54 p.m.
hambone said...

Wher do dinosaurs fit in this arguement?

Are they just a collection of odd shaped rocks?

Or did Adam and Eve ride them like Polo Ponies?

March 29, 2012 at 12:03 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Mtngrl said: " If this law is not allowing discussion of creationism or intelligent design or whatever you wanna call it as you imply, then what purpose does this bill even serve?"

The law gives any Tennessee teacher the right to “critique, analyse and review” what she/he considers to be the scientific strengths and weaknesses of existing scientific theories on biological evolution, the chemicals origins of life, global warming and human cloning.

Last year, Dr. Alan Leshner, Chief Executive Officer of AAAS, wrote a letter to Tennessee Representatives on the House Education Subcommittee that articulates some of the concens about this Bill becoming state law:

"On behalf of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the world's largest general scientific society, I am writing to provide input on the scientific questions raised by HB 368. There is virtually no scientific controversy among the overwhelming majority of researchers on the core facts of global warming and evolution. Asserting that there are significant scientific controversies about the overall nature of these concepts when there are none will only confuse students, not enlighten them.

The core principles concerning both evolution and global warming have been subjected to substantial scientific scrutiny. They have been tested and retested for decades, and their scientific merits have been consistently reinforced. Assertions to the contrary are incompatible with an objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science.

The science of evolution underpins all of modern biology and is supported by tens of thousands of scientific studies in fields that include cosmology, geology, paleontology, genetics and other biological specialties. The concept of evolution informs scientific research in a broad range of fields, including both agriculture and medicine, which significantly affect our everyday lives.

Scientific observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver. These conclusions are based on multiple independent lines of evidence. Indeed, our understanding of the greenhouse effect goes back more than a century.

HB 368 states that students should be taught to think critically, but such thinking is already inherent in the way science is taught. To truly benefit the students of Tennessee, teachers must present the best peer-reviewed research; only in this way will students gain the strong understanding of science necessary to compete for high-skill jobs in an increasingly high-tech world economy."

http://scienceblogs.com/deanscorner/2011/04/tennessee_house_bill_368_-_ant.php

March 29, 2012 at 12:13 a.m.
moonpie said...

I call bs on all those who oppose this bill. Tuquoeque is not realizing I agree that the bill should pass. I just happen to believe that truth will bubble to the top. What's the point in fighting it either way?

Evolution is. It's that simple. Question all you want.... The debate won't stop what's coming........ Truth..... Entropy.

Why are you all so afraid?

March 29, 2012 at 12:26 a.m.
moonpie said...

Tu,

I will settle for almost correct.

Your point is well taken, from a liberal perspective...

..... I oppose you, fundamentally, but I think you are smart and funny. Keep up the good work....

I like reading your posts. You are as smart as Scotty M, and as dedicated as Jonses/Francis etc. If you turn out to be Joneses/Francis, I will dazzle in your dedication and diversity...

And Alprova...... come back.

I enjoy you, too.

March 29, 2012 at 1:17 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Republicans are anti-science and anti-education because it interferes with their religious manipulation.

March 29, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
MTJohn said...

lkeithlu said...However, I disagree with your statement. That humans evolved: almost certain. How? the details may not ever be known. But even the fractured picture painted by fossil hominids and their ages and distribution, DNA, racial differences, cultural anthropology, etc, the story of human evolution from primate precursors is all but established. No other explanation does it.

lkeithlu - I think we are disagreeing about semantics, not about the "facts". I agree that the current story of human evolution is very plausible. But, from the perspective of scientific method, it is still a hypothesis.

I remain of the opinion that the evolution v. creation argument is contrived - sort of like an argument about how to calculate the square root of a dangling participle. It is an argument inflamed by scientists who have misused the tenets of science to draw conclusions that are within the realm of philosophy/theology. And, it is an argument inflamed by theologians who have misused the tenets of religion to draw conclusions that are within the realm of science. Science is not well served by the investment in the argument. Religion is not well served by the investment in the argument. And, as this cartoon demonstrates, our society is not well served by those who seek legislative solutions for a "problem" that does not connect with reality.

March 29, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
MTJohn said...

AndrewLohr said...How 'bout, let teachers who want to teach creation, or Christianity, or anything else not on the curriculum, offer after-hours clubs, parental consent required, where they can say what they want?

Andrew - teachers are free to do that now. They just aren't free to do so at tax payer expense. Isn't that the way Libertarians think it ought to be?

March 29, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
mtngrl said...

tu_quoque said...

PieHole Sez:

”tu quoque, Mntgrl anwered your question with elegance.”

“Elegance” … Really?? … Sure you don’t want to raise your standards just a bit??

This is what I got from her response and it hardly appears to be an answer as those usually don’t end with a question mark. She sure seems to be baffled as to what the law’s true purpose happens to be.

“If this law is not allowing discussion of creationism or intelligent design or whatever you wanna call it as you imply, then what purpose does this bill even serve?”

Which is a question you seem to be unable to answer.

March 29, 2012 at 10:05 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

MTJohn, I can see your point. However, I don't know any scientists that try to interpret the data beyond where it leads unless they come out and say so. That humans evolved over millions of years from common ancestors with apes (and all other organisms if you go all the way back) is supported by the evidence from many fields of science and considered factual. What makes us "human", that spark of connectedness, the ability to ponder abstract ideas, the arts, a sense of the future, including after death, much of this lies outside the realm of science. (and thankfully so: the world would lack something if everything was scientific!) But as science, these things cannot be considered unless they can be measured or observed, so they lie in the area of philosophy.

March 29, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
MTJohn said...

lkeithlu said...However, I don't know any scientists that try to interpret the data beyond where it leads unless they come out and say so.

Unfortunately, too many scientists have been too vocal in suggesting that the science calls the notion of a divine creator into question. In my opinion, that is just as much bad science as it is bad theology to suggest that science is wrong because it is contradicted by a literal interpretation of Genesis 1 and 2.

I understand that my perspective is biased because I believe that God created the universe. With that bias, I happen to think that science does a pretty good job of describing the creation, as it exists after the event of creation. Evolution certainly is one attribute of the creation. But, I also think that science points in a direction that suggests there is more to the story - something beyond the realm of science to describe. I kind of like the notion of "intelligent design". Unfortunately, that term has been rendered meaningless by those who would use it as an alternative way to teach "science". It belongs in a philosophy discussion - not a science classroom.

lkeithlu said...What makes us "human", that spark of connectedness, the ability to ponder abstract ideas, the arts, a sense of the future, including after death, much of this lies outside the realm of science. (and thankfully so: the world would lack something if everything was scientific!) But as science, these things cannot be considered unless they can be measured or observed, so they lie in the area of philosophy.

I'm recalling a PBS series, narrated by Alan Alda, regarding the "spark" and I suspect that you are, too. And, I agree.

I'd also take it a step further. As a Christian, I believe that there are two dimensions to being human, as we have been created. One is the obvious, the tangible, physical aspect. The other is our spiritual dimension or, in secular terms, the spark. Evolution addresses only the physical. The creation v. evolution debate incorrectly conflates the physical with the metaphysical.

March 29, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I could not have said it better. Bravo! (and this coming from an atheist)

I'll have to netflix the program though. I don't have TV. PPS to Andrew: I don't eat atheists. Or kittens. Or babies.

March 29, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_ che. The 5 Nipples You Meet In Heaven. OMFG

March 29, 2012 at 8:25 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

What are you going to do? You can't pour intelligence into their brains.

You can't force squeeze insight into their tiny pores..... it is what it is.

These good folk have as much chance of knowing reality as I do of winning a $640 million dollar lottery.

..hmmmm - > click

March 31, 2012 at 12:14 p.m.
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