published Sunday, November 4th, 2012

The 2012 Models

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

Smart man.

November 4, 2012 at 12:02 a.m.
OllieH said...

However, the wife will get her way, come Tuesday.

November 4, 2012 at 12:05 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Yeehaw! Real Amurikans don't fool with them sissy Leaf electrics and Prius hybrids, they drive gas-guzzlin' Hummers and trucks and SUVs as big as tanks. Real Amurikans don't believe in health care for ever'body - if ya can't afford it ya don't deserve it. Real Amurikans don't send their kids to kolledge where they get infected with libralizm and eevolution - they teach 'em what the Good Book says and that's all the larnin' they need. Real Amurikans don't waste time and money foolin' with renewable energy - they'd rather eat, drink, and bathe in coal and oil 'cuz that's what God put it here fer us to do. And real Amurikans'll vote for Romney 'cuz, well, just 'cuz he's Republican and God is a Republican and Democrats are from hell. Amurika...ain't it great...where we're free to be as stoopid and ignerunt as we wanna be. Yeehaw!

November 4, 2012 at 12:49 a.m.

And then he'll spoiend his days griping about high insurance, expensive and frequent trips to the gas station, while never inching off-road.

But at least he'll feel good about the engine noise.

November 4, 2012 at 1:14 a.m.
librul said...

... and the forests fall and the glaciers melt and the floods rage and the hurricanes whirl amd the drones kill and the DOW heads for a cliff and pinhead poets seek unsuccessfully to make a point while laughing their a$$es off.

November 4, 2012 at 4:29 a.m.
EaTn said...

One place that women can go and speak their minds without being corrected by men in their lives is the voting booth. Tuesday will tell how they've responded to this opportunity. Being a man, I will try to keep my mouth shut on which candidate I believe will fight as president for their equality.

November 4, 2012 at 5:38 a.m.
bluesky said...

This is a simple illustration of the two parties and Tu_quoque babbles on about nothing. GET A LIFE.

November 4, 2012 at 7:10 a.m.
jesse said...

Man,I'll be glad when this election is over!!

Gonna be interesting to see who quits coming around once the dust settles!!

November 4, 2012 at 7:20 a.m.
hambone said...

We'll know wedsday morning, maybe !

Hope Bennett has a good one ready !

November 4, 2012 at 7:39 a.m.
mymy said...

2 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Romney/Ryan 2012

November 4, 2012 at 7:49 a.m.
mymy said...

JonRoss said...

So if coal, oil, nuke, natural gas, are all enemies of Obamistas how the hell you gonna produce electricity to power those little death traps ?

JR: Progressive/Liberals can't think that far "Forward"!!

November 4, 2012 at 7:52 a.m.
conservative said...

tu quoque, every time Rush played that song I would just about die laughing.

I once had a 66 VW, 72 Honda Civic and a 86 Chevrolet Spectrum, all small cars, but that was my choice and that is the way it should be in America.

November 4, 2012 at 8:12 a.m.
dude_abides said...

librul said... "...pinhead poets seek unsuccessfully to make a point while laughing their a$$es off."

More like pinhead poetry paster. Though no attribution is given (other than quotation marks) that middle school level parody is from Rushbo, whatever the hell kind of right wing cesspool that is.

November 4, 2012 at 8:19 a.m.
dude_abides said...

JonRoss said... "yeap mymy, the ProgLibs don't think beyond the moment. If it sounds like a good idea just do it, regardless of the consequences, because they know the adults will somehow deal with the consequences. The consequences are now too big to deal with. And the adults are very weary of cleaning up their messes."

That is exactly the argument Bennett has beaten you to, Rossville! Do you people even really know the definition of conserve?

mymy... Maybe you should start counting hours at this point! It would be more irritating and you could do it way more times! I can't help but visualize a frumpy woman with a 'tick tock' sign and a giant firecracker standing under the edge of a roof that has a foot of snow on it.

November 4, 2012 at 8:32 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

^^^^I seem to recall The Anointed One said NO lobbyists will be allowed anywhere near the WhiteHouse. No?

November 4, 2012 at 8:54 a.m.
conservative said...

In the mind of this Liberal/Socialist loontoonist the Romney voter would select a gas guzzler over a gas miser. This is his opinion and he is entitled to his expression of that opinion.

The troubling part is that this Socialist would go beyond expressing his opinion to mandating small cars to others and that is un-American.

November 4, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
mymy said...

dude_abides: I suggest that you had better be ready to duck and cover there could be a landslide coming your way!

November 4, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: That basement not safe in landslide. Better ask Mom if attic is available.

November 4, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
TinaFrench said...

In response to JonRoss: The woman likes the car because she works 6 days a week AND has to shuttle the kids everywhere. Her "less pay for more work" job is the only source of STABLE income for the family, because her husband is in constuction. By your own admission Jon, he can't seem to keep his company above water, always going bust. Maybe he should seek another profession. Her hands are filthy from cleaning up after the kids, the dog, and her trashy husband, who lays on the couch watching ESPN when he gets home from his rough day at work. So in addition to her full time job, she'll sell Avon or Mary Kay on the side to make sure the mortgage is paid and the children have a roof over their heads. She'll shop on Saturday mornings at yard sales for the kid's school clothes. She'll rub two nickels together and make a quarter. And lastly, she'll make sure she took her birth control pill, because she knows how frisky he gets after a few beers and football.

November 4, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
dude_abides said...

"According to polls, Romney faces the prospect of losing both the state of his birth, Michigan, and the state where he lives and served as governor, Massachusetts."

How does this happen?

On a related note, Koshik, a 22 year old Asian elephant, has shocked handlers by producing sounds of an almost human nature. Though his vocabulary is obviously limited, he is reported to have said "Hey, I wouldn't vote for Romney, and I'm a freaking pachyderm!" This is eerily reminiscent of the recent report of a Beluga Whale named NOC in San Diego, who confided to trainers that U.S. Congressman Paul Ryan had molested his blow hole.

November 4, 2012 at 9:23 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

TinaFrench: Good stuff. And The Messiah will fix all that.

November 4, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
dude_abides said...

mymy and Jack_ both call snow falling off a roof a landslide (easier to spell than avalanche). Can I suggest you two get a room down on Rossville Blvd. and a nice box of wine? Maybe Jack_'s mom will join you!

November 4, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
mymy said...

TinaFrench: That is a good description of a woman who should vote for Romney/Ryan! Four years later and it's still the economy/jobs!!!!!

November 4, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
ricardo said...

Chris Christie's Obama lovefest:

November 4, 2012 at 9:37 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Thanks dude_, but will pass. If I need suggestions on box wine, though, I know where to find you.

November 4, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
mymy said...

dude_abides: avalanche is not the word used when talking about an election!!!!

November 4, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "Thanks dude_, but will pass. If I need suggestions on box wine, though, I know where to find you."

You're welcome, Jack_. Let me know when you're out of Koolaid!

Jack_, why do all your posts give the impression of being accompanied by the sound of gas leaking from various body orifices?

November 4, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
ricardo said...

dude, I could not find any corroborating evidence on Google that Paul Ryan sodomized a whale, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Maybe one of our conservatard wingnut friends can defend him for this heinous act.

November 4, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
ricardo said...

mymy said..."dude_abides: avalanche is not the word used when talking about an election!!!"

It is when you're talking about the overwhelming defeat of Mitt Romney on Tuesday.

November 4, 2012 at 9:55 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Did I say the roof was a foot deep in election, mymy?

So you see this election being won by a landslide?

Tell me, mymy... is this Sunday morning to you, or is Saturday night still happening for you?

November 4, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
mymy said...

JR: and raping America!!!

November 4, 2012 at 10:05 a.m.
dude_abides said...

ricardo, I can't actually prove the allegations, but it's a matter of record that DesJarlais tried to get NOC to have an abortion. Wait, would that be caviar? No, that's the beluga sturgeon. I think DesJarlais is French for fishmonger, so he has undoubtedly monged that sucker.

November 4, 2012 at 10:05 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: You seem to be fixated on orifices. You need to get "OUT" more.

November 4, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

double bwahahaha of the day:

Obama campaign insist they’re getting smaller crowds at rallies on purpose.

“We have plenty of time for big rallies,” a campaign spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said between the rallies on Thursday. “Our focus right now is on exciting our supporters and winning over undecided voters and the smaller and medium-size events are the best venue to accomplish that because the president can closely engage with the crowd.”

November 4, 2012 at 10:13 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "In the mind of this Liberal/Socialist loontoonist the Romney voter would select a gas guzzler over a gas miser."

You don't think it might be rooted in fact?

Of course, there are no absolutes when it comes to defining those who would vote for Mitt Romney, but there are statistics in play.

Statistically, the overwhelming majority of Republicans reject any and all assertions that the burning of fossil fuels is responsible for climatic change.

Statistically, religious conservatives are most likely to vote Republican, and every time I pass a filled church parking lot, the majority of vehicles parked on those lots are not 4-bangers, hybrids, and an electric vehicle is nowhere to be seen.

"This is his opinion and he is entitled to his expression of that opinion."

How nice of you to acknowledge that. It sure is a nice departure from your posting habits of the past week, where you simply cannot accept that your opinion of the Bible is not shared by all.

"The troubling part is that this Socialist would go beyond expressing his opinion to mandating small cars to others and that is un-American."

What troubles me is that you think that a political cartoonist could ever be in any position to mandate a doggone thing to a soul.

Or could it be that your mind took another wrong turn and you are now referring to the current President?


The problem with most Americans, especially those who vote for Republicans, is that they never think about tomorrow, in terms of the air we breathe or the water we drink. Statistically, they dismiss in overwhelming numbers, years of scientific studies, not to mention pure common sense, that the by-products of burning trillions of gallons of fossil fuels over the past century, has negative consequences on our Earth.

In my humble opinion and again statistically, the average Republican is not keen on planning for eventualities. They live for today, for now, putting out of mind that which is unpleasant, and would never endorse anything that will cost them a little more to preserve this Earth for future generations.

Religious Conservatives don't believe in conservation. Perhaps they think that prayer will replenish dwindling oil reserves. They probably think that God has a hand in all these more recent deadly weather events as punishment for certain perceived sins. Perhaps they are convinced more than ever, that the end of time is near, so there is no need to think of tomorrow at all.

Many people will never wake up until it's all gone. When the entire world resembles the states of N.J and N.Y. this week, with massive lines clamoring for those few, final drops of gasoline, will some decide that we need alternative energy plans in place.

November 4, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
ricardo said...

JonRoss said..."no ricardo the sodomizing took place at the consulate in Benghazi, and it was carried out by the jihadists. Before they were smothered to death they were raped by Islamists that get their jollies buggering men."

There was no proof that he was raped or sodomized. Can you post some right wingnut lamestream media sources to corroborate this?

November 4, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
joneses said...

Doing business the Mormon way - CBS News Video

November 4, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
joneses said...

What Makes Romney a better man than Hussein Obama will evert be.

November 4, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

They told Biden to set his clock back last night so he moved it to far end of his bedside table.

heartbeat away

November 4, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.
dude_abides said...

JonRoss said... "Most conservatives would be more ardent environmentalists if the movement had not been totally taken over by socialists."

LOL! What a childish statement! You're gonna let the Earth go to hell because you don't like who you have to play with? You would care more about the environment, but your spite gets in the way? I will have to assume all conservatives feel that way if some of you don't dispute what this guy just said.

November 4, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

assume what you want, moron.

November 4, 2012 at 11 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

nooga: I don't doubt that for a second. We're all tired of the thousands Romney has killed with drones. Right up there with Vlad the Impaler.

November 4, 2012 at 11:11 a.m.
ricardo said...
November 4, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "assume what you want, moron."

Ouch, Jack_hole! All that computer money spent, same old dull brain at the helm. How's that duck boat running, Cap'n?

November 4, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Busy little tu_, pasting, pasting, pasting, decorating with italics and bold font, injecting parenthetical ass Laugh Offs, primping the print and posting, posting like Father McKenzie.

November 4, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.
OllieH said...

mymy said..."2 Days to Go!"

The real countdown would be only 1538 days until President Obama leaves office!

November 4, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ohio's Husted: The Man Who Never Gives Up

Husted has issued a directive that could limit which provisional ballots are counted:

*The directive, issued Friday, lays out the requirements for submitting a provisional ballot. The directive includes a form which puts the burden on the voter to correctly record the form of ID provided to election officials. Husted also instructed election officials that if the form is not filled out correctly by a voter, the ballot should not be counted.*

Voting rights advocates believe this is contrary to a recent court decision and indeed to Ohio law which requires election officials to record the ID provided by the voter. They have filed a lawsuit which is expected to be resolved before November 17, when provisional ballots will be counted.

Provisional ballots, according to the AP, “include those cast when voters don’t bring proper ID to the polls or cast them in the wrong precinct.

November 4, 2012 at 1:08 p.m.
miraweb said...

Math is Hard (and so is counting)

The Miami County Board of Elections says more than 200 voters in the area north of Dayton were accidentally sent two absentee ballots each instead of 1. The Dayton Daily News ( ) reports board staff were calling those voters to apologize for the error and advise them to vote only one ballot and return the other.

Board member Robert Huffman Jr. says he's confident the ballot verification process would prevent those people from voting twice.

The board was told a hired ballot vendor caused the double-mailing problem and a second issue, in which 35 absentee ballots were prepared but inadvertently not mailed.

November 4, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ohio Still Correcting 33,000 Records

Across the state, an unknown number of ballots were mistakenly rejected as 33,000 registration records were sent late on Monday and Tuesday. Cleveland's The Plain Dealer reported 71 voters were mistakenly rejected in Cuyahoga County.

Matt McClellan, Husted’s spokesperson, said Husted’s offices were previously unaware of the data, which is why it wasn’t requested before the glitch was detected by the Bureau of Motor Vehicles (BMV).

The glitch caused the BMV to not properly send online address changes to Husted’s office, says Joe Andrews, communications director at the Ohio Department of Public Safety, which oversees the BMV.

November 4, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

On some browsers there was a munched paragraph on the latest move by Ohio Secretary of State Husted. Here is the corrected text:

The directive, issued Friday, lays out the requirements for submitting a provisional ballot. The directive includes a form which puts the burden on the voter to correctly record the form of ID provided to election officials. Husted also instructed election officials that if the form is not filled out correctly by a voter, the ballot should not be counted.

November 4, 2012 at 1:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

Late Night for Voters in Florida

In a work-around to an early-voting crackdown law, the Miami-Dade elections headquarters will open Sunday afternoon to allow voters to request and cast absentee ballots in person.

The elections department announced the change Sunday morning, after the Florida Democratic Party filed a lawsuit in the wee hours seeking to somehow extend voting in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties before Election Day . . . According to the lawsuit, “inadequate polling facilities” in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach led to lines in some cases between six and seven hours long — longer than elsewhere in the state, the lawsuit says.

Voters in line when the polls closed at 7 p.m. were allowed to vote; Miami-Dade checked in its last voter at around 1 a.m. Sunday morning.

November 4, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.
ricardo said...

Poor little tu_cocques, bless his heart. Desperately grasping at straws. Nothing will end the trainwreck that will cause Romney to lose on Tuesday. Then you can go back to hating this country again for re-electing a black man.

November 4, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.
mymy said...

From the Independent Women's Voice (IWV)

The ads tell a tale familiar to millions of American women. Women, who four years ago were overwhelmingly supportive of President Obama, have come to feel disconnected from and let down by the President. His promises for new policies and a better direction have not matched the reality. It has now gotten to the point where women don’t feel obliged to defend his policies.

In turn, women are chalking up their relationship with the President as an experience to learn from and a mistake they will not repeat. Women voters are ready to move on to someone who is more dependable.

November 4, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
mymy said...

Yes, women are breaking up with Obama:

Here’s an endorsement that has some people in the Beltway talking this morning.

Gigi Georges, who used to be a top aide to Hillary Clinton when the current Secretary of State was a U.S. Senator, has come out in support of Mitt Romney just days before the election.

Here is her statement explaining the decision:

“For most of my life, I’ve been an active Democrat. I am proud to have worked for President Bill Clinton and then-Senator Hillary Clinton, and, during that time, I saw firsthand what can be accomplished by strong, bipartisan leadership. I know what it means to work across the aisle on issues that are important to the American people. And that’s why I am supporting Mitt Romney. Governor Romney has a plan to restore the prosperity this country deserves and expects. He will work with people of good will no matter what their party, and he will pursue the policies that are in the best interest of our country, no matter who proposes them. That’s what President Obama promised to do four years ago. But like so many of his promises, bipartisan cooperation is just another one he has broken. We can’t have four more years of failed policies and two parties that can’t work together. We need the change Mitt Romney is offering.”

November 4, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
jesse said...

Kinda sounds like "whistling in the dark" to me!!

November 4, 2012 at 2:37 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ricardo said "Nothing will end the trainwreck that will cause Romney to lose on Tuesday. Then you can go back to hating this country again for re-electing a black man." Your last statement is exactly what's the matter with the left. Just plain, effin stupid.

November 4, 2012 at 2:40 p.m.
miraweb said...

UPDATE: Florida Shuts Headquarters to Voters

The department had opened its Doral headquarters from 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. as a work-around to an early-voting crackdown law.

But by 2 p.m., around 180 voters had showed up, and department spokeswoman Christina White said the office would not be able to accommodate any more voters who showed up. Additional voters would be turned away, she said.

Shortly after, however, the department locked its doors and shut down the operation without explanation. The people in line did not get to vote.

“Let us vote!” they shouted.

The department had only one ballot-printing machine, five voting booths and two staffers to assist voters.

The lawsuit cites requests made to Republican Gov. Rick Scott to extend voting hours by executive authority. Scott said Thursday night he would not extend the hours . . . The lawsuit sues Detzner, along with three elections supervisors: Penelope Townsley of Miami-Dade, Brenda Snipes of Broward and Susan Bucher of Palm Beach.

November 4, 2012 at 2:56 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"In less than 18 months under Reagan, more than 320 people were killed by terrorist attacks on the U.S. Embassy in and around Beirut. And after the third attack, which killed two Americans, Reagan refused to curtail his campaign for re-election (which he won in a rout) even for one day.

But today, the deaths of four Americans killed during the assault on the Libyan consulate has some conservatives demanding Obama be tried for treason.

There's nothing sane or rational about the right-wing's Benghazi fantasy and the role they have assigned for the president. But it does allow the conservative press to project their deepest fears up against the passions of the campaign season's final push." -Media Matters

November 4, 2012 at 3:01 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova, open wide. I was wondering if you had fled the scene. I want to continue to "shove" my "beliefs" down your "throat" as you put it.

Bear in mind as we continue, this Scripture verse as it is important in showing you how you are so easily led to believe those non existent "contradictions" in Scripture that you "confirmed."

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV

November 4, 2012 at 3:20 p.m.
dude_abides said...

conservative, open wide. Mitt has a new and improved Bible for you to swallow. If you don't like the taste, there's plenty of salt in Utah to help you get used to your new religious flavor. BTW, your creepy text evokes Hannibal Lecter.

November 4, 2012 at 3:40 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

alprova, open wide. I was wondering if you had fled the scene. I want to continue to "shove" my "beliefs" down your "throat" as you put it.

Thanks for clearing this up, conservative. And to think you were genuinely concerned for him! You just want to rack up conversion points for your meeting with St. Peter. Probably get you an upgrade in accommodations.

November 4, 2012 at 4 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: There you go again. Ah, the tolerant left.

November 4, 2012 at 4:08 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Duck! Anonymous tough guy! Finally get tired of the child porn, moron?

November 4, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.
mymy said...
November 4, 2012 at 5:17 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: As usual, you make no sense, cellar dweller.

November 4, 2012 at 5:18 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova, open wide. I want to refute your second false "contradiction" that you "confirmed" was in the Bible. Although I wonder how you with your obvious lack of knowledge and understanding of Scripture could "confirm" what an atheist said about the the Bible unless you were also likeminded.

As a reminder, you bought into the lie that the "death" referred to in Genesis 2:17 was physical death when in fact it was spiritual death. Many verses in the Bible deal with spiritual death. This is Biblical teaching or as it is often called in the Bible, doctrine.

Notice the word "spiritually" in the verse which I have cited to you a few times :

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV

Now the natural man ( the unbeliever ) can not receive the things of the Spirit of God because he is "spiritually" NOT physically dead! Do you now see that? If not I will share many other verses with you that teach "spiritual" deadness NOT physical deadness.

The second error on your list is much easier to refute. I will get to it.

November 4, 2012 at 5:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Duck... Not a big thinker, are you? That's what the GOP counts on. Wind someone like you up, and you'll drone on for life. You are a dreadfully dull and shallow grunt. I would find you more intimidating if you hadn't naively posted your real photo as your original avatar. Moron.

November 4, 2012 at 5:32 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "alprova, open wide. I was wondering if you had fled the scene. I want to continue to "shove" my "beliefs" down your "throat" as you put it."

"beliefs" that the nickname for your penis? You're acting very gay lately. I read many years ago that the more adamantly one appears to be opposed to homosexuality, the more likely that they are homosexual. You've chosen a very strange way of coming out of the closet, but I commend you nonetheless for doing so.

"Bear in mind as we continue, this Scripture verse as it is important in showing you how you are so easily led to believe those non existent "contradictions" in Scripture that you "confirmed."

We're not going to continue. I ignore trolls, even those claiming to be evangelical Christians.

I believe that this is the third time you have posted that particular quotation of scripture, which is just as meaningless as it was the first time you posted it.

You cannot cherry-pick your way out of this one, Sir.

Your belief that the Bible is the word of God, that the Bible is completely unaltered, without contradiction, etc., are your beliefs, and those beliefs are something that I do not and never will subscribe to.

The very Bible you know and love contradicts you.

You would serve yourself and God far better if you would drop your little scriptural war and accept defeat, in that you're never going to convince anyone that your beliefs surrounding the Bible are correct.

November 4, 2012 at 5:42 p.m.
jesse said...

Darn jack,what did you do, whiz in dude's whiskey or sumpin??

November 4, 2012 at 5:43 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

nothing naive, son. nothing noteworthy about it, coward. BTW, nothing intimidating about me. Or you either, for that matter. Though you try.

November 4, 2012 at 5:43 p.m.
TinaFrench said...

Hey Tu Quoque~ I would like to invite you to meet me and call me those names to my face.

November 4, 2012 at 5:47 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova, open wide. You are once again going to feel that I am shoving facts down your throat. Regarding your second false claim of a "contradiction" in the Bible, "Genesis 10:5, 20, 31 - There were many languages before the Tower of Babel. Genesis 11:1 - There was only one language before the Tower of Babel."

It is simple. You were deceived by that atheist website into believing that Moses wrote the book of Genesis in strict chronological order. Not so!

There is no rule or statement by any who God inspired to write his word that events had to be referred to in a strict chronological order. People,books, films etc. have always gone back and forth in time in telling a story.

You were again deceived and your "confirmation" was wrong.

November 4, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Quack_Dennis... You call me a coward and say you're not trying to be intimidating. I will stop now, not wanting to throw your, no doubt, enlarged heart into some sort of arrest. G'nite, you big old pile of harmless naivete'.

November 4, 2012 at 6:14 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

And there you have it, folks, the reason that protestant Christianity is losing members. Exhibit A: conservative.

November 4, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.
miraweb said...

Update II: More Florida Fun Time

Anyone in line by 5 p.m. at the Doral elections headquarters at 2700 NW 87th Ave. will be allowed to vote, department spokeswoman Christina White said at 3 p.m.

The department brought in a second ballot printer and more staffers to re-open.

Shortly before the temporary shutdown an hour earlier, the department had said it would not be able to accommodate more than the around 180 voters who were in line by 2 p.m. Then the office shut its doors, and people in line started shouting, “Let us vote!”

Some voters who had parked in a lot across the street saw their cars getting towed.

“This is America, not a third-world country,” said Myrna Peralta, who waited in line with her 4-year-old grandson for nearly two hours before being turned away. “They should have been prepared.”

Read more here:

November 4, 2012 at 6:24 p.m.
miraweb said...

Cleveland Early Voting: High Turnout

This year I truly didn't expect to see anything nearly as impressive, what with the mood of the country being so sour and the economy still so sluggish.

But I've just seen one of the longest lines I've ever seen at the polling station in downtown Cleveland. It was so long it went round the block and around another block. I walked all the way along it and counted my steps – 400 full paces of voters queuing up dutifully in the cold to cast their ballot. You'd have to be pretty cynical not to find that impressive. - Ed Pilkington, The Guardian

November 4, 2012 at 6:34 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

jesse: Not sure what I did to make the cellar dweller obsess on me. He's a nasty one, for sure. I hope he's not typical of the left.

November 4, 2012 at 7:03 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey ike,conservative is is the spokesperson for the pleasures of mental illness! I wish him and orr means light would get together and make music somewhere out in the ZONE!!

November 4, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey tu quo, your "Back side of sand mtn" backwoods upbringin is showin again!

November 4, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.
alprova said...

Crimson Tide Predict An Obama Win...

Since 1984, the outcome of games played between Alabama and LSU on election years have reliably predicted the Presidential election.

Every time that LSU has won, a Republican has been elected President. Every time that Alabama has won, the Democratic candidate was elected.

Last night, LSU was defeated 21-17, predicting that Barack Obama will be elected on Tuesday to a second term.

November 4, 2012 at 7:27 p.m.
jesse said...

I don't know Al,tu quo relies on readin chicken innards and she sez Romney wins by a landslide!

November 4, 2012 at 7:39 p.m.
rick1 said...

In the 18 presidential elections that have taken place since the Redskins moved to Washington in 1937, 17 have been predicted by the team's performance in its final home game prior to the election.

If the Redskins win at home, the incumbent party usually wins the presidential election. If the Redskins lose at home, the challenger usually prevails.

The only time the rule hasn't come through was in 2004, when the Packers beat the Redskins 28-14 in the final game before the election.

The Redskins lost at home today to the Carolina Panthers.

November 4, 2012 at 8:11 p.m.

The one on the left sort of looks like a Vega.

“The Vega received praise and awards at its introduction, including Motor Trend Car of the Year. Subsequently the car was known for a wide range of problems related to its engineering, reliability, safety, propensity to rust, and engine durability. Despite a series of recalls and design upgrades, the Vega's problems tarnished both its own as well as General Motors' reputation. Production ended with the 1977 model year.

“The Center for Auto Safety criticized the car. A letter from its founder Ralph Nader to GM Chairman Richard Gerstenberg contained a list of safety allegations, and said the car was a "sloppily crafted, unreliable and unsafe automobile" that "hardly set a good example in small car production for American industry". Criticisms continued long after production ceased. In 1979, Popular Science said free repairs in the 1970s cost tens of millions, continuing up to two years after the warranty ran out. A 1990 Time article said the Vega was "a poorly engineered car notorious for rust and breakdowns." In 1991, Newsweek magazine called the Vega costlier and more troublesome than its rivals.”

November 4, 2012 at 8:21 p.m.
ricardo said...

Chicago beat Tennessee 51-20. Obama is 51 years old. You do the math. BTW, no team scored 65 points today.

November 4, 2012 at 8:35 p.m.
mymy said...

Newspaper endorsements do not influence me, but they are interesting:

One of New York’s most influential and traditionally Democratic media organizations pulled a stunner Sunday when it reversed its 2008 endorsement of Barack Obama to join the New York Post in endorsing Mitt Romney.

“Four years ago, the Daily News endorsed Obama, seeing a historic figure whose intelligence, political skills and empathy with common folk positioned him to build on the small practical experience he would bring to the world’s toughest job,” the endorsement in part states. “We valued Obama’s pledge to govern with bold pragmatism and bipartisanship. The hopes of those days went unfulfilled.”

Read more:

The Daily News joins nearly a dozen other major U.S. newspapers in switching endorsements from Obama to Romney, according to the University of California, Santa Barbara’s American Presidency Project.

Only one newspaper, The San Antonio Express-News, which endorsed the Republican presidential nominee in 2008, Arizona Sen. John McCain, has switched to endorsing Obama, according the survey.

The 11 papers, according the study, that also switched to Romney are:

The New York Daily News

Long Island Newsday

Houston Chronicle

Fort Worth Star-Telegram

Orlando Sentinel

Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel

Nashville Tennessean

Des Moines Register

Illinois Daily Herald

Los Angeles Daily News

Los Angeles Press-Telegram

Read more:

November 4, 2012 at 8:41 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

^^^^racist newspapers

November 4, 2012 at 8:49 p.m.
degage said...

ricardo, some reach kid-o.

November 4, 2012 at 9:01 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Some years--decades?--ago, I read that someone looked at a Sierra Club parking lot and only 2 of the cars in it met MPG average standards. How much CO2 does Air Force 1 generate on golf outings?

(By the way, CO2 would, and probably does, give us fewer and weaker hurricanes, since it spreads worldwide and reduces the temperature differences that give strength to hurricanes. More hurricanes hit the US in A.D. 1950-1980 than in A.D. 1980-2010. This is called "climate change." Source National Review online.)

November 4, 2012 at 9:05 p.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "How much CO2 does Air Force 1 generate on golf outings?"

The President doesn't hop Air Force One to go golfing, you warbling, wine-drinking, false witness-bearing boob.

The President slips off with others to play at the Joint Base Andrews' golf course and has never boarded Air Force One to go play a round of golf anywhere.

The last time I checked, there isn't a golf course anywhere in the United States that has a landing strip for a jumbo-jet.

November 4, 2012 at 10:21 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: Perhaps you would like to amend your last post.

November 4, 2012 at 11:03 p.m.
alprova said...

No, I wouldn't care to amend my last post.

When the President goes on vacation, I have no doubt that he hits the greens wherever he is and that's his prerogative.

Look at the information on that page, not that I consider it official or credible under any criteria, but every one of those courses are located near Washington D.C., Hawaii, Martha Vineyard, Chicago -- all where he went on vacation or lived/lives.

I repeat...not once has the President board Air Force One to go out for a round of golf, and I challenge anyone to prove that he did.

There is no end to just how pathetic people become, when it comes to the President.

Do you truly think that there exists a personal caddy for the President, who would still have a job if he were to reveal details claimed on that page?

Some people simply have way too much time on their hands. The truth is never enough. People have to make crap up.

And there you are, ready to lap it up like a good little doggie.

November 4, 2012 at 11:35 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO said "The President slips off with others to play at the Joint Base Andrews' golf course and has never boarded Air Force One to go play a round of golf anywhere." How do you know that Alpie? You got a mole on AF1?

November 4, 2012 at 11:52 p.m.
ricardo said...

Corporations are people, my friend.

November 5, 2012 at 12:03 a.m.
ricardo said...

How much did it cost the taxpayers for Bush to chop wood on his ranch or Reagan to ride horses?

November 5, 2012 at 12:15 a.m.

alprova: The last time I checked, there isn't a golf course anywhere in the United States that has a landing strip for a jumbo-jet.

Damn it, you just gave Donald Trump his next BIG idea.

November 5, 2012 at 12:55 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "How do you know that Alpie? You got a mole on AF1?"

Look jumped in on the claim as if you had proof positive that the President takes Air Force One on golf outings.

Decorum dictates that you back up that claim. So get busy doing it or admit that you were incorrect.

I know Andrew will never admit to his bearing of false witness. He routinely dumps turds into this forum and never flushes them.

You? You wade in all the time on subjects where you clearly have no knowledge or understanding of at all, attacking people rather than issues. Your posts quite often are useless, debasing, personal attacks.

If President Obama were to hop Air Force One for the sole purpose of crossing the country for a game of golf, there are people who would be all over the man for it. He knows it. I know it. You should know it.

If the page you dredged up has any truth to it, there are people keeping count of how many times the man plays golf. What kind of crap is that? He's entitled to recreation and relaxation time, just like anyone else.

Because he is the President, a trip to the nearest course with security in place involves a little bit more than loading up the clubs, hopping into an Excursion and driving himself there, but it does not involve using Air Force One, which is housed at the same base where he goes to play most of the rounds of golf that he has played as President.

Much was made over the fact that he had played his 100th round of golf in June of this year, since taking office. Wow!! Do the math to understand how stupid it is to make a big deal of it.

That's about a round every 12-13 days.

There is no shortage of complaints or critics offering such complaints, about practically anything under the Sun, when it comes to the President.

The falsehood that he uses Air Force One to go play golf is just another totally baseless and totally made up claim, but to all the anti-Obama nuts out there like yourself, it sure sounds legitimate.

November 5, 2012 at 5:03 a.m.
jesse said...

Only a round every 12-13 days???

No wonder he can't score!

November 5, 2012 at 6:20 a.m.
hambone said...

Golf is a waste of good real estate!

November 5, 2012 at 7:17 a.m.
jesse said...

Now Ham,if it wern't for golf all us geezers would have to sit around all day and raise hell on this forum!!

What do you do to entertain yourself?

November 5, 2012 at 7:24 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Why don't we all just stay calm and collected, and hope our prayers are answered. Hopefully, "Wreck-It-Romney" will be kept at arms length by the wiser and more caring voters of this nation. Stay the course, a thousand points of light, the Coast Guard guarding the coast out there...

November 5, 2012 at 7:41 a.m.
degage said...

WOW! Dude says "hope our prayers are answered." When did you get religion Dude?You have time and time again put down religion now all of a sudden you want to pray?

November 5, 2012 at 8:08 a.m.
fairmon said...

Thank goodness we may know who is elected within a month or so. get all the litigation and crap out of the way. Who really cares who wins and what if anything will change? Nothing will noticeably change regardless, we are too far down this road to turn around.

November 5, 2012 at 9:02 a.m.
mymy said...

1 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Romney/Ryan 2012

November 5, 2012 at 9:02 a.m.
mymy said...

nooga: better question is what are you going to do after Liar n Chief gets his ass kicked on Tuesday?

November 5, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: Do NOT speak of decorum. You gaseous CLiff Claven.

November 5, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: Hit the bricks, son. You'll be late for your gubment job.

November 5, 2012 at 9:51 a.m.
mymy said...

nooga: what are you going to do if things do not work out for you since you seem so confident? I accept it could go either way, maybe, so I will not be in the shock you are going to be in if O bites the dust of history!!!!

November 5, 2012 at 10:13 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Chance of winning:

Obama: 86.3%

Rmoney: 13.7%

November 5, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
mymy said...

nooga: still get that goverment check, I guess!

Typical Libs only care about self not their country and other people in it.

November 5, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mymy: Noogies and dude_ will defect to Bolivia in search of Che's grave.

November 5, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
limric said...

"When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data." :Henry Morris (Founder, Institute for Creation Research)

"The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ."
:James Kennedy (Center for Reclaiming America)

"Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free."
: Pat Buchanan

"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil." :Gary Potter (Catholics for Christian Political Action)


The person with the moniker ‘Conservative’- that argues scripture with you is in every sense of the word the Christian equivalent of the Taliban. Make no mistake about this.

His philosophy can be summed as follows: ‘America is exceptional because God has blessed us this nation above all others and these Christian beliefs and our nation must adopt these principles within our government, schools, and society, as it is God's will that we do so. Within this philosophy this group believes THEY have the God given right and responsibility (just like the Taliban) to enforce their beliefs on others, assure their belief system stands above all others, and they’re bible orders them to determine God's will in the only correct manner.’

He believes totally the absolutes of his Christian dogma, which alone provides him the very reason to vote for a Republican. If however you, as I, believe that our nation was founded by those looking to flee Religious Persecution, forming a land that was equal for all, my question would be how can anyone justify voting for Republicans without the guts to publicly denounce the Religious Right and reject any support from this group? Many may say that they may not agree with these beliefs however believe in the other issues of the candidate. That is not good enough. That would be the same as saying they’d look the other way about a child molester because they were nice to your family. If they can still vote for a Republican that would not publicly denounce this group and refuse any support from this group, they are as cowardly as the candidate to stand up for what is right. There are lines we must all draw in the sand to decide what is right and wrong. As always the Religious Right is preaching intolerance, American exceptionalism is inherited from God and not earned by our actions, (directly contradicting capitalist orthodoxy) and demmand to indoctrinate all of our children with their beliefs. Given the opportunity, they WILL persecute those that do not believe the way they do.


November 5, 2012 at 11:04 a.m.
limric said...

Continued from above:

Look around your home and everything in it. Name me one thing in your home that was invented from bible teachings. Just one! Science is not always right but does change based upon the best available facts.

Any one that supports even one Republican candidate that has not or will not denounce these ‘Christian Mullahs’ are at odds with the founding tenets of this country, cowards, and fear losing the ability to make this nation in their own self-righteous image. I think it is these that are the immoral individuals in our society. He will vote for a Republican and justify his own immorality by being cowardly and hiding behind childlike beliefs, furthering a Christian Taliban rise in the western hemisphere.

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. “:Thomas Jefferson

November 5, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
jesse said...


Are you and tu quo siblings?sounds like you were raised in the same household!!

I'll say one thing for ya,you are mighty empressed with yourself!!

November 5, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
degage said...

nooga, whats with the slut comment. What kind of people raised you. You don't like mymy so don't read her post. No need to be calling anyone a slut.In fact no need for anyone to call others nasty names.

November 5, 2012 at 11:59 a.m.
jesse said...

Nooga don't have no avatar so i'm suggesting this! (_!_)!


November 5, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
miraweb said...

Rand Paul is Robo-calling for Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin

Sen. Rand Paul is featured in a Todd Akin robocall as part of a late push in the Missouri Senate race to reach out to GOPers and libertarians for whom the Paul name has impact.

November 5, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

limric: Speaking only for myself, I'm sincerely impressed with your background. You steaming pile of ish.

November 5, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.
limric said...

HEY! Someone called me a steaming pile of ish! Vas ist ‘ish’? Is ‘ish’ Fish? No. Fish is a word not, a suffix. Ooh, I know. Prankish. Ya Ya!


“What have we here, so ugly and venomous? Is it the Jack? A man or a fish, dead or alive?
We know not, but such a creature never hung poison on a fouler toad.”

PING! {:-O

November 5, 2012 at 1:35 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

cute limric. you continue to prove my point. actually, I think you are more than one person....maybe about 3-4 handles. Huh?

November 5, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Common knowledge that the Dems invented and perfected voter fraud. Just a fact.

November 5, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.
limric said...

Oh Jackie,

Your sublimated neurotic guilt is evidenced in the uninformation you provide - the result of a defensive narcissistic process. Thusly, your impulsive anxieties are manifested in cathected oedipal fantasies.

Or fleas.

Love, The steaming pile of ish.

November 5, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Wow, you have EXACTLY the same writer as dude_. Coincidence? I think not.

November 5, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

1st elected black governor, Doug Wilder,Democrat, does NOT endorse Obama, tho he did 4 years ago. Wake up, America!

Wow! Wilder must be an Uncle Tom. (beating the left to the punch)

November 5, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
Leaf said...

Goodness, such acrimony. Let's not challenge each other to duels over a silly online forum.

November 5, 2012 at 3:01 p.m.
Leaf said...

nooga said, "ammo's expensive, why waste it!"

Exactly. If duels must be held, swords at dawn behind the Cathedral are the only gentlemanly choice.

November 5, 2012 at 4:25 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Bill Clinton on stump: 'Who wants a president who will knowingly, repeatedly tell you something he knows is not true?'

Uh, Bill......

November 5, 2012 at 4:27 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Wow, mymy sure knows how to bring out the liberal in nooga, huh? I think mymy has nooga's number ,could it be 269? It is sure less than 270, that's what's got nooga in such a bad mood, realizing there isn't enough votes to go his way.

Spouting off how much money he has, don't need no gub'ment check, buy you ten or twenty times, continuing the liberal "war on women" by name calling. LMAO

November 5, 2012 at 5:42 p.m.
hambone said...

Sad! Sad! Sad!

Sick! Sick! Sick!


Why don't some of you get a life. Sitting at a keyboard typing nonsence all day long is sad, sick and pathetic!

Take a walk !

Go Fishing!

Go to a movie!

Go shopping!

Go out in the yard and count the birds in the tree!

Just do something for your mental health!

November 5, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.
mymy said...

nooga is a hoot. Love to see liberals get their panties in a twist. Been laughing every since I read it. Conserative woman always get the worse the libs can dish out when their own are the real Flukes!

Those who brag like noogie probably don't have a pot to.........!!!


November 5, 2012 at 6:08 p.m.
jesse said...

Gonna play golf tomorrow Ham,will that work!

BTW:if you happin to run across somrthin on here that is not nonsense let me know ,i'd be interested in reading it!

November 5, 2012 at 6:10 p.m.
mymy said...

jesse: Thy longest drive shall be for naught if thy screwth up your second shot! Have fun!!!!

November 5, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.
alprova said...

Limric...very good post offered at 11:05 am. You're a very well spoken man.

November 5, 2012 at 6:28 p.m.
ricardo said...

Less than 24 hours to go until the re-election of Barack Obama. I look forward to the conservatard heads exploding Wednesday morning.

November 5, 2012 at 7:30 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova, open wide. You are about to get some more of my "beliefs" crammed down you throat as you put it. Regarding your erroneous "belief" that Hebrews 11:17 is a "contradiction" and that you "confirmed" it.

You were bamboozled again by that atheist website and here is why:

Recall I had said that Scripture interprets Scripture or stated another way Scripture explains Scripture.

Yes. Abraham had two sons. The writer of Hebrews was addressing Jews, descendants of Abraham. Moreover, the writer was explaining to these Jews that Jesus was the promised Messiah who was to come through their ancestors Abraham and Isaac.

God had promised to Abraham that Sarah, his wife would bear the son through whom the Messiah would eventually be descended. Ishmael was Abraham's son by Hagar a slave.

Isaac was called Abraham's only begotten, because he was the only son he had by his legitimate wife, who was heir to his property, and heir of the promises of God.

In Genesis 21:12 God told Abraham "in Isaac shall thy seed be called.." This is not an interpretation, this is the direct word of God.

Now Hebrews 11:17 - By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: "and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,"

The next verse, Hebrews 11:18 explains just as Genesis 21:12 did, the meaning of "his only begotten son"

"Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called"

The atheist website you trusted in bamboozled you, ommitting the next verse which clarified the meaning of "only begotten son."

November 5, 2012 at 7:36 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "Wow, you have EXACTLY the same writer as dude_. Coincidence? I think not."

alprova said... Limric...very good post offered at 11:05 am. You're a very well spoken man.

alprova, I couldn't agree more regarding limric. I wish I could draw some sustenance from Jack_Squirt's left handed compliment, but I can only bask in limric's reflected glory. You see, Jack_ is simply too much the dullard to discern the difference.

November 5, 2012 at 8:09 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Christ, I'd have to spend a year in Andersonville to pass this test!

November 5, 2012 at 8:24 p.m.
GameOn said...

Obama did not learn anything from the Gulf. He smiled for the camera and turned his back.

November 5, 2012 at 9:24 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Rapper Jay-Z while performing at an Obama campaign rally in Ohio Monday substituted the name "Mitt" for the word "b-tch" in the lyrics to his song "99 Problems."

Classy crowd The Messiah hangs with.

November 5, 2012 at 9:24 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Sandy: Obama's Katrina. Except the MSM will pass on this one.

November 5, 2012 at 9:41 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Recall I had said that Scripture interprets Scripture or stated another way Scripture explains Scripture."

You've stated that, but you really haven't sealed the deal with actual proof.

"Yes. Abraham had two sons."

Yes he did. In Genesis 21:12-13 that distinction is made very clear.

"God had promised to Abraham that Sarah, his wife would bear the son through whom the Messiah would eventually be descended. Ishmael was Abraham's son by Hagar a slave."

Go far you're correct.

"Isaac was called Abraham's only begotten, because he was the only son he had by his legitimate wife, who was heir to his property, and heir of the promises of God."

Nope...sorry. You're full of crap and apparently, you take me for a half-wit. Begotten, in the Bible, is a word used to describe the paternal relationship with one's offspring.

Therefore Isaac and Ismael were both begotten sons of Abraham.

"Now Hebrews 11:17 - By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: "and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son."

Thus the contradiction. Ishmael was also his begotten Son.

"The atheist website you trusted in bamboozled you, ommitting the next verse which clarified the meaning of "only begotten son."

You Sir are guilty of interpreting scripture to serve your own interests, in redefining the word "begotten" to attempt to explain the contradiction.

I have a far better explanation that's going to make yours look rather ignorant, for if you were half as smart as you think you are, you would have thought of it yourself.

The Bible is not known for connecting dots much of the time, but when Abraham was demanded by God to sacrifice Isaac, which can be read in detail in Genesis 22:1-12, and as was recanted in Hebrews 11 along with examples of others who have demonstrated immense gestures of devotion to God, Ishmael simply might not have been born yet.

It is after all, factually established that Isaac was born first.

Therefore, at the time that he was asked to sacrifice Isaac to God, it is completely plausible that Isaac may have, at that time, indeed been Abraham's only begotten Son.

Sir, you're just not very good in trying to explain the Bible, so it really would serve you and God better if you just gave up the holy ghost.

I took two years of Bible literature courses during my high school years, taught by a wonderful woman who really knew the intricacies of the Bible and who could explain just about everything in a way that a five year old could understand things.

It has led to a lifetime of understanding that the Bible is not perfect, that the Bible is not literally the word of God, and that it is instead, a mishmash of disconnected stories, especially in the Old Testament.

November 5, 2012 at 9:44 p.m.

It's going to be funny seeing the results of the election on this place come tomorrow and the day after.

November 5, 2012 at 10:05 p.m.
hambone said...


Golf is a waste of real estate. All golf course should be flooded and STOCKED WITH FISH!

November 5, 2012 at 10:47 p.m.
raygunz said...

Al,if you google this one sentence from your 9:44 post "It is after all, factually established that Isaac was born first.",

It blows the so-called "Evangelicals" out of the water! I mean,it turns their whole "we're God's Children" belief on it's head!

ISHMAEL was born first!

So, who knows the bible???

November 5, 2012 at 11:38 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Dixville Notch: tu_'s high school sobriquet!

November 6, 2012 at 12:06 a.m.
raygunz said...

Hello, human diary. It is I again, Mitt Romney, your better.

Today is the final day before the election. During my daily meeting with my campaign staff, they proclaimed themselves confident that I would win all of the states, or at least all of them except for a few particularly irredeemable ones. Nevertheless, there is still a sense of unease. The recent hurricane has distracted from my singular campaign message, which is that wealthy Americans such as myself ought to be paying less in taxes, and that as president I shall make sure that wealth units like myself pay less in taxes, except that I shall also adjust things so that each pays the same amount of taxes as before, and that Italians are coming to this nation to move automotive jobs to China, which I know because even though the automotive companies deny it, I am an expert on what sorts of things ought to be moved to China.

My campaign today will be traveling from Florida to Virginia to Ohio. I was not originally planning to visit Ohio again, as my campaign has decided I do not like them anymore, but I insisted that if I was going to be doing so much traveling to those other states than the least we could do is make a brief stop to visit with Mr. Bus once again. (I hope carrying various foodstuffs for the hurricane-enmoistened commoners did not dent or damage him. I will have that staffer's head, if Mr. Bus has gotten dented or damaged.) Then it is on to New Hampshire for the evening concert with the rocking children.

As for tomorrow, I had planned to spend the better part of tomorrow savoring my victory, but the staff has evidently scheduled still more campaign appearances. Apparently these commoners need constant encouragement if they are to vote for me. When I am president, one of my first actions after adjusting the tax rates for wealthy Americans will be to form a committee to establish the best ways of further discouraging these commoners from voting. To be blunt, their minds are too scattered for it. It requires too many individual campaign events and rallies, and it could all be done far more efficiently by merely allowing only wealth units to vote, then bundling the votes from wealth units into leveraged products that would represent all the other votes. Then financial companies could purchase and sell those packages of votes, which would be quite profitable. (If my past businesses experiences have taught me anything, Mr. Diary, it is that there is very little that cannot be made more profitable by removing commoners from the process.)

I suppose that is neither here nor there for the moment, Mr. Diary. That is all for now; I shall write in you more later. With luck, when next we meet I shall have become the next president of this great, though commoner-riddled, nation. Hunter

November 6, 2012 at 12:09 a.m.
alprova said...

raygunz, an interesting page, no doubt. After reading it, it appears to make a fantastic case that there are even more contradictions in the Christian Bible than ever.

I bookmarked it so I can go back to it on my next day off, when I plan to study it's contents thoroughly.

Wow!! Thanks for sharing that.

November 6, 2012 at 2:10 a.m.
raygunz said...

tu_quoque said...

"RatzAss ... Another thieving Fleabagger that doesn't have the brains to write his own sh!t. So he has to to steal from others and try to pass it off as his own creation."

Didn't you notice the name "Hunter" @ the end of the post?

(shakes head at dumass)

November 6, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
delmar said...

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raygunz said...

delmar said...

"tu_quoque said... ."

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