published Thursday, November 8th, 2012

The Electorate

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

Racist!

November 8, 2012 at 12:08 a.m.

Ah, the empty accusations of the right-wing.

Obama's support is far more diverse and that just makes you so upset. Why can't it just be the "right" people voting?

Jackson got much the same reaction. As did whoever the know-nothing's were against.

November 8, 2012 at 12:32 a.m.
alprova said...

Salsa wrote: "Racist!"

If you truly believe that, then you know not how to define the word.

I urge you to look it up and learn something.

November 8, 2012 at 12:50 a.m.
raygunz said...

This IS America aint it??

November 8, 2012 at 1:27 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

So why not draw the house rainbow-hued, Clay (as in the childrens' books Mr Pine's Purple House, and, The Big Orange Splot?) Harder in the black-and-white print, but doable (approximable).

Probably most people have at least a few bad racist tendencies to repent of, and a natural preference that we need not to let get out of hand for similar people (in the cafe making the old Planet of the Apes movie, the chimp suits, orang suits and gorilla suits each tended to sit together). But who's more racist, someone who votes for someone on account of the candidate's race or someone who votes for whoever they think the best candidate, regardless of race? I happen to have voted for a white guy this time (and for one Democrat), but I've voted for a man blacker than President Obama, and I think an overwhelming majority of GOP/Tea people would happily vote for Ted Cruz or Herman Cain or Allen West or Thomas Sowell over Joe Biden.

The trouble with racism is that we're all children of Adam and Eve and of Noah and his wife (who were probably off-the-boat black, by the way, since it's genetically easier to lose pigment than gain it), and that God showed his love for us in that while we were still bad people Christ Jesus died for us--not Mohammed, not Marx, not Joseph Smith, but Jesus Christ dies for our sins; and on the third day He rose up alive; the others stayed dead. So to connect with God's love and power, all races need the man who said "Teach all the ethnic groups to obey all My orders" (Matthew 28) and "whoever comes to Me I will by no means throw out." Jesus does have standards--God's Law is "holy, just, and good"--but He's where the love and power, for all races, are.

November 8, 2012 at 3:51 a.m.
fairmon said...

Would changing the name of the house at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue be appropriate? A good issue to occupy congress which may be a good strategy. Many in congress probably view the current name White House as a worn out old relic, the same view many seem to have of the constitution. Whoever the occupant may be would most likely agree that "the big house" would be a fairly accurate name. Every movement and every word observed, recorded and evaluated by friend and foe. The pressure of the position in today's electronic world with instant distribution of any activity whether accurate or inaccurate is unimaginable.

November 8, 2012 at 5:36 a.m.
fairmon said...

Obama is the president regardless of who anyone preferred. It is time to hope and pray he is successful in improving the economy. It is difficult to understand why voters keep giving a president an opposing party in congress then expect the president to deliver on an agenda. I personally don't like or agree with the president. But, the majority apparently do so why not allow him to advance his agenda and see what the results are? With a democratic house, senate and president four years from now with a 20 trillion+ debt and a still a lagging economy there would be a clear picture of how the party and president in power performed and an opportunity to re-evaluate. If after four years more of the same is what the majority wants for four more after that then so be it.

What we have now will result in the president blaming congress, the house blaming the president and senate, the senate blaming the house and people taking sides and participating in the blame game based on which media and power brokers they listen to.

By the way are there any volunteers here to serve as ambassador to Libya? You may have to live in a double wide until the facilities are repaired or rebuilt but there is an opening for the position. The reason for the opening will be known at some point in the future following an investigation advertised as thorough, complete and accurate that will be widely shared once completed, assuming there is still interest and insistence on such by the people.

November 8, 2012 at 6:16 a.m.
moonpie said...

Complex systems are strengthened by diversity and weakened by homogeny.

Lack of diversity is both the GOP's greatest strength and greatest challenge moving forward.

November 8, 2012 at 6:52 a.m.
joneses said...

Yesterday I instructed my head of purchasing to review the list of vendors to the company and stop doing business with ones in the states that supported Hussein Obama but only if it makes good business sense, a term dummycrats do not understand. One more thing, I made sure the employees that supported Hussein Obama were included in the 38 that will receive lay off notices. I am glad that hope and change is working out for them because they will be getting a change and maybe they can call Hussein Obama to get their hope. Every little bit helps.

November 8, 2012 at 6:57 a.m.
ricardo said...

I think that the GOP underestimated the power of the Obama campaign voter outreach machine. Their strategy for the past 4 years was brilliant. They have built a formidable grassroots campaign embedded within the battleground states. If the GOP wants to get their candidate into the White House, they are going to have to change their positions toward Hispanics and African Americans, and develop a better ground game for campaigns.

November 8, 2012 at 7:02 a.m.
joneses said...

ricardo,

I respectfully disagree. If the Republicans want to get their candidate in the White House they will have to promise free stuff to the looters and moochers in America. That is what we have now so there would be no point. The problem we have now is the Hussein Obama supporters do not hold him accountable as they would never dare speak ill or question their Messiah. It is worrisome they are so scared of him. What we have now in America is a one party system and there is nothing to stop the ruination of America. The people that kept Hussein Obama in the White House have basically given him the power to do as he pleases with no repercussions when he fails. The best they can do would be the equivalent of rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. America has proven how stupid, as a product of government schools, they actually are. Have a good day sir.

November 8, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.
dao1980 said...

jonesis, you have to be kidding, right? You're going to lay people off because of their political opinions??

If that's how you run your business, your product probably sucks for more reasons than you just being a self-important mouth breathing idiot.

I make it a point to try not to buy poorly constructed crap, or pay for terrible and innept services... what is it that your business does again?

Oh yea, and now give us one of your emotional wigglin conniptions to laugh at.

November 8, 2012 at 7:27 a.m.
joneses said...

raygunz

It used to be.

November 8, 2012 at 7:27 a.m.
dao1980 said...

But thought mostly the red states were the welfare queens.. is that not true?

November 8, 2012 at 7:29 a.m.
fairmon said...

I don't support and would not vote for same sex marriage but not for moral reasons. Their wanting the right to marry is strictly financial and my reason for opposing the increase in the number that can discriminate against those not married is financial. However, if a state votes for it then I can accept it. It is a state issue and is being treated as such as it should be. Many things the federal government is involved in should be state decisions or programs.

It is often and accurately said two can live cheaper than one. Why then do single people have a higher tax rate? Why do those married have a lower rate with deductions for kids plus various other tax benefits? Why do social liberals condone and support this injustice while insisting they do not condone government making moral judgements? The discrimination against singles supports governments moral judgement that people should marry and proliferate. The only justification anyone has posted thus far for this blatant discrimination is that the bible tells them so.

November 8, 2012 at 7:48 a.m.
delmar said...

In response to jonses post at 7:23 -

November 8, 2012 at 7:51 a.m.
Asimpleguy said...

Mr. Jones I applaud you on standing your ground. I'm sure many people would do the same. Where and how could people, who are willing to support a business like yours, do so?

November 8, 2012 at 7:56 a.m.
EaTn said...

joneses...just include on your company goals your previous rant and your company will thrive in our surrounding states. Around here, white is the color of money. Don't be surprised though if business starts turning sour when the minority looks around and discover they are now the majority and don't have to do business with folks like you, and don't have to support your political views.

November 8, 2012 at 7:57 a.m.
dao1980 said...

No no, Asimpleguy is right, tell us joneses, where can simple minded folks pay patronage to your fine establishment?

Chances are, you would have folks cease to do business with you because of your attitude, and also some folks would decide to do business with you based solely on your attitude.

It could work out very well for your sales numbers... of course, just like spinning a wheel in Vegas... it could not.

Are you brave enough to play that numbers game?

Or is delmar right on the money about you and your brazen pectoral tapping, mini walnut waiving show..

November 8, 2012 at 8:04 a.m.
joneses said...

dao,

Absolutely I will lay off the people that supported Hussein Obama first. I have held out as long as I can to keep all these people employed hoping some policies Hussein Obama put in place would be reversed if he was removed from the White House. Hussein Obama's policies are not good for my business so why would i want someone to work here that supports something that is not good for my business? It makes perfect business sense. It is apparent you have never run a business. It is my choice and I am proud of it and my business will continue for another year or two when or sell or close it when it does not provide the life style for me I am accustomed. I can retire and live off all I have earned and have the same life style I have now as running this business gets less satisfying everyday. I produce something you have not the ability to operate as it is takes much more intelligence to operate than an Etch and Sketch. By the way "Earned" is a word you probably do not understand the meaning of.

November 8, 2012 at 8:11 a.m.
mzungu said...

The Democrats' Duty: Bring the GOP Back from Crazy

"Not to put too fine a point on it, but the Republican party, root and branch, from its deepest grass roots to its highest levels, has become completely demented. This does not mean that it is incapable of winning elections; on the contrary, the 2010 midterms, as well as the statewide elections around the country, ushered in a class of politicians so thoroughly dedicated to turning nonsense into public policy that future historians are going to marvel at our ability to survive what we wrought upon ourselves.

The Democratic party has an obligation to beat the Republican party so badly, over and over again, that rationality once again becomes a quality to be desired. It must be done by persuading the country of this simple fact. It cannot be done by reasoning with the Republicans, because the next two generations of them are too far gone. The state legislators now passing all manner of crazy laws represent the next generation of national Republican leaders. They are proudly unknowing."

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/republican-party-0512?click=esq_more

November 8, 2012 at 8:13 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Those are some pretty hefty assumptions jonesis. I think you would be surprised at what you would find if you could see through these screens.

The fact that you need to lay folks off at all is much more telling than any of your claims to have done well in business.

Keep in mind we only know about each other what we choose to reveal, and you have consistently described yourself in detail.

My question stands, are you brave enough?.. My guess is no.

November 8, 2012 at 8:19 a.m.
jjmez said...

dao1980 said... jonesis, you have to be kidding, right? You're going to lay people off because of their political opinions??

The thing is, when it comes to grants, federal loans, tax breaks etc. for their businesses, joneses is likely one of the federal governments' biggest teat suckers. The ones who cry the loudest are usually the ones suckling most at the governments' teats.

November 8, 2012 at 8:20 a.m.
Asimpleguy said...

Mr. Jones you inspire me. Like minded people should stand united. Although I don't own a business, I do work around people with crazy "views". Is it possible that you may need to replace one of those people in your place? If so how could one be considered for the position and could you give details on what you are looking for?

November 8, 2012 at 8:20 a.m.
delmar said...

jonses, how would you know how any of your "employees" voted?

November 8, 2012 at 8:23 a.m.
joneses said...

I do not understand why you liberals care who I retain or lay off. You can rely on Hussein Obama and the government for your survival can you not? You voted for Hussein Obama to take care of you and to solve all your problems did you not? You do not need us evil wealthy business owners do you? I have to get to work now so all you liberals have a good day.

Asimpleguy

I appreciate your support and applaud you as well. There are many of us out here but also many that are tired of paying people to keep up with all the government regulations that hamper business growth and we only see an increase coming in government regulation especially when it comes to eliminating employees. That is why many of us are shredding labor cost now. Labor is the largest cost of any business. My suggestion, approach any company you want to work for as being part of the business versus just an employee. Employees are a dime a dozen.

November 8, 2012 at 8:26 a.m.
fairmon said...

EaTn....

Do you really think the only reason people don't support Obama is his race? I personally think and would vote for West from Florida and for Colin Powell although he endorsed Obama. Either would be excellent choices. I think Obama is the worst person since the depression in the 30's ever elected to the office except possibly Carter. I hope in spite of his ignorance he is successful in this term. He did not do very well his first term but we will soon see if he has four more years of experience or one years experience four times. It is great that we have the right and opportunity to express different views and even say derogatory things about those in office. Let's hope that right is never infringed upon. You think Obama is the best thing to come along since sliced bread and I think he is a bumbling idiot when it comes to the economy. You prefer an increasingly larger and powerful central government while I support the libertarian principles which is a right we have. Your preference is more popular than mine so that is what we have. The pendulum may never swing since the dependent, uneducated, incompetent and ignorant is growing in number at a rapid pace which requires the government to confiscate from the successful to support them to avoid riots and anarchy. I do hope and pray he remains safe, can you imagine buffoon Biden in charge?

November 8, 2012 at 8:29 a.m.
joneses said...

delmar,

Casual conversations, it is that simple.

I cannot stay here all day as I have responsibilities. You might ant to look up "responsibility" as well.

So today you liberals have an opportunity to learn two new words, "earn" and "responsibility".

I am out of here so all you liberals have fun today commenting on my post and showing us exactly who you are.

November 8, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Byby jonesis, didn't think you had the walnuts.. er.. I mean acorns to deliver.

Please try to stay afloat, you need to invest a sincere effort into not letting your bad attitude run your show into the dirt.

We don't need more "bad decision makers" on welfare than we already have here in the fine red state of Tennessee.

November 8, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.
bret said...

Five bucks says that jones doesn't even have a job and is one of the freeloaders living off the gubmint tit that he is complaining about.

November 8, 2012 at 8:33 a.m.
Asimpleguy said...

Im trying to but how can I do that if I cannot tell which businesses are aligned with myself? If you believe as I do and are as proud as I am you will stand up and claim proudly the business that you built. This way others like myself can continue to voice our opinons and hope through hard work. Please don't tell me your just some blow hard who is a big proud guy on the internet or phone. We will never be united if thats the case. Being the smarter side of the argument we have to lead by example. A man who hides while taking such a strong stance, isn't standing, but rather a coward. I am sure this isn't you please help me to show what it means to be a proud business person who is willing to stand up and say "This is how we built this!"

November 8, 2012 at 8:38 a.m.
dougmusn said...

@joneses: It's both sad and sadly shortsighted you might reduce business dealings with states whose electors are pledged to Obama. Consider Florida should the current count stand: 49.9% for Obama, 49.3% for Romney. 29 electoral votes for Obama but clearly as close as it gets. Whether Florida goes Democrat or Republican, a business in Florida should not be tarred by the aggregate result of the state; it should rise or fall on it's own BUSINESS acumen. As should your individual workers. Should you retire or should your business fail, if it had been providing useful goods or services, others will step up to carry on whether your direct successors or direct competitors. That's part of the "creative destruction" of capitalism.

Finally, you have my condolences on the constricted view you hold of your company's value--the good of the company is defined by how it enhances YOUR standard of living. Your personal success while important hopefully is not all you seek. If you build roads, do you not wish them to be well-built so we 47/99% might benefit from them for some time? If you provide a service like a doctor, would you not wish to been seen as a good one? Or do you simply seek to do the least to get the most for yourself? And as such do you just subscribe to Gordon Gecko's mantra: "Greed is good!"

November 8, 2012 at 8:51 a.m.
potcat said...

Black House,after all, Black Slaves built the House.

Gay Marrgiage is a Civil Rights issue, Period!! Southern States would never or take to damn long,lets say,"40yrs". No, Gay people want this fundamental Right and No they don't choose to be Gay. Sexual Orientation is ingrained into ones DNA, God made them this way...if you must.

November 8, 2012 at 8:54 a.m.
caddy said...

Well said Andrew Lohr:

"But who's more racist, someone who votes for someone on account of the candidate's race or someone who votes for whoever they think the best candidate, regardless of race? I happen to have voted for a white guy this time (and for one Democrat), but I've voted for a man blacker than President Obama, and I think an overwhelming majority of GOP/Tea people would happily vote for Ted Cruz or Herman Cain or Allen West or Thomas Sowell over Joe Biden."

It is exasperating that we can Re-elect a President based on Rhetoric alone. His policies have failed. It no longer means anything to ask people, "Are you better off 4 years ago than you are today?" The answer MOST people in this nation would say, "NO." That doesn't matter any more. What matters is the mythical mantras of hope and change. Just like Clay's Progressive Ideology. I've asked him countless times, Andrew, "So, Clay, what are progressives supposed to be progressing to...?" He never answers. He never answers because he doesn't know. Like B.Obama's mythical magical wonderland, he's taking us down the road of crushing debt, moral decay, socialistic thievery and asking us to come along with him. If we can't see where it is he is taking us, we are well on the way to Perdition as we speak. It's hard to look at all the smiling / mesmerized faces that trust in a man whose fiscal, moral, foreign, and health-care policies have all failed or will fail. For sure we are all sheep that have gone astray, but B.O is not the man to lead us to true truth. Sheeple follow B.O. God help us to look to the the ONLY hope this country has left. He is the one we should be following. Thanks for re-pointing us in the right direction, Andrew.

November 8, 2012 at 8:56 a.m.
jesse said...

The action that Jonses says he gonna take is very telling about who he is!

Whats even more telling is the fact that he felt compelled to tell everybody about it!

Small people w/simple minds!

November 8, 2012 at 9:07 a.m.
Asimpleguy said...

Well Joneses I know you have already "left" for the day. Thanks for proving my point any person that claims to have such strong convictions but then back pedals when you have to take responsibility for them you run and hide. When I said you inspire me I wasn't lying. You inspire me to show the rest of the world people like yourself are idoitic yellow bellied bullies. Do us all a favor shut your imaginary business down and leave the country. You obviously dont want to be here so with your self-proclaimed wealth why are you?

November 8, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses, before I comment on your claims, it would serve everyone in this forum if you would cite the specific regulations that Obama is responsible for, that is forcing you to lay off employees.

I too am a small business owner, and contrary to your claims, I receive some rather generous tax breaks and credits that benefit my bottom line. My payroll taxes have been lower under Obama. My income taxes have remained the same under Obama. I receive a tax credit for providing health care coverage for my employees, plus a tax reduction write-off to go along with that.

My business is regulated mainly by the State of Georgia, with some Federal regulations in place that I must follow, but I can't recall one new Federal regulation having been added in the past four years.

Georgia on the other hand, has added several new regulations that go into effect next year, but the new regulations being imposed on my business are going to help rather than to hurt my business.

I read all the time, the laments of people claiming to be in business, who allude to all these regulations that President Obama has put on businesses, yet I have not read a single citing of so much as one such regulation.

Therefore I must offer, if your business is in trouble, it is not due to something that the President has done. It is due to something other than who inhabits the White House.

If indeed you do have a valid claim that the President has done something that is causing you to have to lay off employees, then I'm sure you will have no problem citing EXACTLY what it is.

I await your response with bated breath...

November 8, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.
limric said...

The rancor being played out by the whiny right-wing media following Tuesdays election results, the ideological radicals posting here; and aptly illustrated by the racist demonstrations at Ole Miss, can be summed up succinctly by the following passages from Norman Ornstein’s book,‘IT’S EVEN WORSE THAN IT LOOKS’.

"Today’s Republican Party has little in common even with Ronald Reagan’s GOP, or with earlier versions that believed in government. It has become an insurgent outlier -- ideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition."

"It is no longer accurate to describe the Democrats as the liberal party and the Republicans as the conservative party. It’s closer to the truth to say that the Democrats are the conservative party and the Republicans the radical party. But when one party sees government itself as the enemy (the GOP) and sees accountable, etc., government as especially dangerous—and when that party can block change even when it is nominally out of power—the odds against even small reforms are long.”

At a time when good government could really help us regain our footing, the GOP’s ONLY alternative is tax cuts. This is because it now defines itself as the party of the entitled elite and anti-government. Thusly; our situation really may be even worse than it looks.

Then again – maybe not.

November 8, 2012 at 9:26 a.m.

Harp3339, Allen West of Florida would get your vote? There's another clear lapse in character judgment on your part. But it's no surprise that you would choose to vote for somebody prone to making wild and unsupported accusations against people who disagree with them. Like calls to like.

Fortunately for the people of Florida-18 they seem to have chosen differently. Perhaps you can invite him, David Riveria and Joe Walsh to come here and run.

Caddy, what would most people say? Probably something negative, but would that be accurate? People's analysis of their state of affairs tends to skew to the pessimistic as the troubles of today overshadow those of yesterday. Which all too often tends to be remembered with halycon glee.

Let me ask you this, do you think that the Conservative road you want us to take doesn't have crushing debt, moral turpitude and greed-driven thievery? Maybe you're the one blind to the perils of the path you want us to travel like a lemming over a cliff?

PS, polls show Bush is still blamed more than Obama, and it's even worse when House Republicans are factored in. I'm sure that you just hate the people for that.

AndrewLohr, the problem is with the ideas. That you suggest happily voting for Allen West tells us that your idea of what makes the best candidate suspect. Or do you favor persecution and witch hunts?

Joneses, your obsessive desire to control is evident. Yet you would accuse others of being coercive and tyrannical.

November 8, 2012 at 9:39 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

joneses said... dao,

Absolutely I will lay off the people that supported Hussein Obama first. I have held out as long as I can to keep all these people employed hoping some policies Hussein Obama put in place would be reversed if he was removed from the White House. Hussein Obama's policies are not good for my business so why would i want someone to work here that supports something that is not good for my business? It makes perfect business sense. It is apparent you have never run a business. It is my choice and I am proud of it and my business will continue for another year or two when or sell or close it when it does not provide the life style for me I am accustomed. I can retire and live off all I have earned and have the same life style I have now as running this business gets less satisfying everyday. I produce something you have not the ability to operate as it is takes much more intelligence to operate than an Etch and Sketch. By the way "Earned" is a word you probably do not understand the meaning of.

If indeed he is a business owner, I might guess doctor. Although I don't see the intelligence. But doctors are the ones leading this argument. They are laying off employees to get their business down to under 50 so they do not have to pay the penalties of the affordable care act, which includes the employer being fined when an underpaid full time employee qualifies for public assistance. I will not name names, but it is more than one doctor's office doing this. Greedy doctors want their employees to live in poverty. They cry when the government doesn't pay their normal rate for services. Yeah, they cry all the way to one of their vacation homes in the Caymans. So it is not like they couldn't pay better. They very well could. They choose not to. And now, they are going to be held accountable. They will go to part time employees and their business will fail. Capitalism will take care of that right quick.

November 8, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
ibshame said...

There probably will be some lay-offs. However, according to most reputable economists - 12 million jobs are going to be created over the next four to eight years regardless of who had won the election. The Jones' of the world who are out to hurt people purposefully usually get theirs sooner or later. It's Karma.

November 8, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
ibshame said...

Looks like Karl "turdblossom" Rove has some 'splaining' to do.
His Donors should remember that old advice - LET THE BUYER BEWARE. LOL

"Quote of the Day: America's Billionaires are Pissed Off at Karl Rove

The billionaire donors I hear are livid," one Republican operative told The Huffington Post. "There is some holy hell to pay. Karl Rove has a lot of explaining to do ... I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."....Rove was forced to defend his group's expenditures live on Fox News on Tuesday night, and will hold a briefing with top donors on Thursday, according to Politico.

If conservative billionaires are looking for something else to be mad about, I'd recommend the Romney campaign's apparent habit of paying about 50 percent more for TV spots than the Obama campaign. That helped line the pockets of the consultants who both recommended the buys and got the commissions for placing the spots, but it didn't do much to win the election.

In the end, it turned out that one side ran its campaign like a business, while the other side ran its like a local PTA. Ironically, it was the ex-community organizer who did the former and the ex-CEO of Bain Capital who did the latter"

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/11/quote-day-americas-billionaires-are-pissed-karl-rove

November 8, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I think joneses is pulling your rickshaws.

November 8, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

The true American heroes of today are the voters that waited hours in line to vote ----

--in spite of the Republicans efforts to suppress it!

November 8, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
jesse said...

I think your right ,jack,either that or he a shill, posting blather to generate hits on here!

Maybe hes a professional "chain yanker"!!

November 8, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
bluesky said...

Does Joneses have the courage to post what his business is on this forum?? I doubt it he's a coward.

November 8, 2012 at 10:29 a.m.
jesse said...

Hey bluesky, joneses may be insane but he ain't stupid enough to put that on here! One of the crazies from the left would be knockin on his door!(nooga comes to mind!!lol)

November 8, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
rolando said...

Hm-m-m. I didn't know this election was about race...

The Obama's election [in 2008] was supposed to stop all that. He said he was going to join us together. Oh well.

On a side note, why is our Congress continuing to harp on Benghazi? Nothing is going to change so why not drop it? Same thing with Fast and Furious.

The people don't give a rat's a$$ about that stuff.

Where's the line for free stuff?

November 8, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
miraweb said...

Just because you are bat-hit crazy doesn't mean you can't own a business (just remember his Mighty Lordship King Coal and our old friend Glenn Beck).

But you know -- employees are people too, my friend.

November 8, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
degage said...

Maybe Joneses would if big al would. Big Al is always touting his business but unwilling to name it.But then if I was either of them I wouldn't name it for fear the other side would boycott it. I certainly would boycott Big Al.

Obama says he will finally work with the other side. I doubt that he will unless they agree to all his demands and I hardly believe they will.I believe they will agree to some tax hikes but they will want some spending cuts other than defense.Obama and Reid are about as partisan as anyone can get.My way or the highway.

November 8, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
dao1980 said...

In the red states.. the lines for free stuff are mostly in red/conservative/republican states...

It seems the blue states use their social programs more effectively and don't dwell on and waste precious energy writhing about the inevitable and relatively small percentage of the demographic receiving assistance that are just plain worthless lazy wastes of space.

It also seems that any of these programs work more effectively in an environment of support and cooperation.. surprise surprise.

So, if you want to reduce the number of lazy worthless wastes of space receiving assistance, your community needs to make the most of the existing programs that encourage job training, job placement, self reliance, good life decision making, contraception to avoid un-unnecessary mouths to feed.. etc. etc. etc.

Another good method for ALL states to consider, would be the re-introduction of "work-fare" in order to assist with the necessary maintenance and rebuilding of our infrastructure, whilst justifying the food and housing that is supplied to able bodied individuals by the community.

But hey these are all MACRO problems, and MICRO solutions aren't going to do any good under any circumstance... regardless of what color tie your team leader wears.

November 8, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Perhaps,,,, Blind, Crippled & Crazy would be more like it?

November 8, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
raygunz said...

House Speaker John Boehner's statement on efforts to avoid fiscal cliff; " Mr. President, this is your moment.

We're ready to be led, not as Democrats or Republicans, but as Americans.

We want you to lead -- not as a liberal or a conservative, but as the President of the United States of America.

We want you to succeed.

Let's challenge ourselves to find the common ground that has eluded us.

Let's rise above the dysfunction, and do the right thing together for our country in a bipartisan way."

( Quite a switch,huh?)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/08/1158802/-House-Speaker-John-Boehner-s-statement-on-efforts-to-avoid-fiscal-cliff

November 8, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
degage said...

Dao, How did you come to the conclusion that red states are the ones asking for free stuff over the blue states . Just asking where your info comes from.Would be nice if you could back up your assumptions.

November 8, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
conservative said...

Yes, and that "red" ideology is the problem.

November 8, 2012 at 11:18 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Just observing financial reports, graphs, maps, charts, illustrating the cost of social assistance to the taxpayer, and where most of this assistance is needed. As well as, under what circumstances this assistance succeeds in reducing the amount of people in any given community that require it, or its working environment to success rate.

I'm not a red or a blue, so no, I didn't get it from fox/msnbc websites or any of the talking heads that you angry politicos like to parrot.

You're online right now, put on your savvy discernment (if you have any) to weed out and wade through crap/misinformation. Use your google, and look for simple bare bones economic reports and factual accounting information on the topic.

It's called research, just be sure to avoid any info that sounds like a sales pitch, doesn't jive with obvious reality, and isn't corroborated elsewhere.

November 8, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Here's a perfect example of "crap misinformation" and also a good example of how a poor salesperson who's pitching improbable erroneous product appears.

Conservative: Is known to make no sense whatsoever, and has a researchable history of "lying for jesus" about any topic that he posts.

To take anything that is shared by him as factual, would be lowering your probability of understanding the realities that surround you.

It's just simple savvy discernment, everyone should employ it from time to time.

November 8, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
hambone said...

The GOP has hit their ETC A SKETCH moment!

Time to change!

November 8, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
mymy said...

“What is going on is the present-day proof of the truism observed by Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, who rarely agreed on anything in public: When the voters recognize that the public treasury has become a public trough, they will send to Washington not persons who will promote self-reliance and foster an atmosphere of prosperity, but rather those who will give away the most cash and thereby create dependency. This is an attitude that, though present in some localities in the colonial era, was created at the federal level by Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt, magnified by FDR, enhanced by LBJ, and eventually joined in by all modern-day Democrats and most contemporary Republicans.”

“As a practical matter, we are in for very difficult times during Obama’s second term. ObamaCare is now here to stay; so, no matter who you are or how you pay your medical bills, federal bureaucrats will direct your physicians in their treatment of you, and they will see your medical records. As well, Obama is committed to raising the debt of the federal government to $20 trillion. So, if the Republican-controlled House of Representatives goes along with this, as it did during Obama’s first term, the cost will be close to $1 trillion in interest payments every year. As well, everyone’s taxes will go up on. New Year’s Day, as the Bush-era tax cuts will expire then. The progressive vision of a populace dependent on a central government and a European-style welfare state is now at hand.”

“Though I argued during the campaign that this election was a Hobson’s choice between big government and bigger government, and that regrettably it addressed how much private wealth the feds should seize and redistribute and how much private behavior they should regulate, rather than whether the Constitution permits them to do so, and though I have argued that we have really one political party whose two branches mirror each other’s wishes for war and power, it is unsettling to find Obama back in the White House for another four years. That sinking feeling comes from the knowledge that he is free from the need to keep an eye on the electorate, and from the terrible thought that he may be the authoritarian we have all known and feared would visit us one day and crush our personal freedoms.”

Andrew P. Napolitano, a former judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey, is the senior judicial analyst at Fox News Channel. Judge Napolitano has written six books on the U.S. Constitution. His latest is “It is Dangerous To Be Right When the Government Is Wrong: The Case for Personal Freedom.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/08/four-more-years-what-is-going-on-here/#ixzz2BeDxlPhU

November 8, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Hi mymy, how did that countdown work out for you?

I must admit, it did seem a little unnecessary to me at the time.

November 8, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
timbo said...

raygunz...If Boehner caves, the Tea Party will replace him in 2014. I am beginning to think that the Democrats and liberal Republicans are in cahoots. The Tea Party scared them so bad in 2010 they are getting together to make sure they keep them down. Nobody hates the Tea Party more than the Republican establishment.

DON'T AGREE WITH ANYTHING OBAMA PROPOSES ON ANYTHING....The only job of the Republican House is to stop this liberal socialist at every turn.

The liberals have won nothing...it is the same situation as before. It is even better now because there is no reason to negotiate with a lame duck president. Don't fall for "let's get together to help the country"..that "help" is agreeing with Obama's stupid policies. Saying no to President Piss Ant is helping and is saving this country from itself.

A 1% popular vote win is virtually a tie. The socialists only have a mandate in their pea brains. They won by an extraordinary ground game and got their vote out. Furthermore, without a black presidential candidate the minority vote would not have shown up and we would have Mitt Romney. Black racism (97% voted for Obama) is a big factor. The last two elections are the exceptions not the rule.

Bennett's stupid, racist cartoon is evidence of that.

November 8, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

China appears to be within two years of deploying submarine-launched nuclear weapons, adding a new leg to its nuclear arsenal that should lead to arms-reduction talks, a draft report by a congressionally mandated U.S. commission says.

Rare news conference with president:: Norah O'Donnell, NBC News: "Alarming, Mr. President. But before we go there, can you reassure us of your position on women's reproductive rights?"

November 8, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.
degage said...

Doa, So you are saying you haven't researched it yourself and you want me to find the info for you? I'm lazy so it would be nice if you would share your research if you have any. I did try to find some info on it but only got links on how to get free stuff. I couldn't find anything on which states got more free stuff than the others. In this economy I would think almost all states are in the same boat.

November 8, 2012 at 11:44 a.m.
dao1980 said...

I'm saying (meaning) exactly what I wrote, and nothing more, nothing less.

C'mon now degage, you're just being silly for show, I know you're at least a little more capable than that.

I surmise that maybe that's why the world is so confusing to you? You apply your irrational emotional desires to facts and figures and end up believing that people have said or implied things that they haven't, or that things are as they aren't?

November 8, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.
shoe_chucker said...
November 8, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
shoe_chucker said...

Wasn't that hard to find

November 8, 2012 at 11:59 a.m.
cmon_man said...

jonesie this is the typical unwillingness to cooperate with anyone on anything attitude which seems to dominate today's GOP. This type of mentality demonstrates perfectly why this country has found itself in so much trouble. Speaking with and making decisions based on emotions, especially hatred, instead of common sense and logic is not a successful way to approach anything. Yes there are those employees who have a sense of entitlement and who are "a dime a dozen". However there are also those who realize they and all of their fellow employees have a vested interest in keeping the doors open. They are known sometimes as "company men or women" and are sometimes more responsible for keeping a company successful than the owners. These are sometimes called "key employees" and are dedicated to working hard and solving problems for the company. Many employers with the attitude you display seem to also have a sense of entitlement, when they think they can just hire "anyone", pay them low wages, work them to death, treat them with disrespect and loathe, but expect them to do outstanding work and take pride in their job. The problem sometimes for you, and you probably do not even realize it, is that word gets around about how business owners treat their employees and the really good "company" people out there have no interest in working for that kind of place. Therefore they never get a quality staff so they end up going under similarly to what you seem to be describing is happening to you. There are valuable employees out there who are or can be huge assets to thriving businesses but until potential employers realize this and can respect these people for what they have to offer instead of who they voted for, the whole business community will suffer needlessly.

November 8, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
timbo said...

jonees....You are dead right...These liberal idiots don't understand business. Most small businesses in this country are owned by conservatives. You can SUBTLY hire or fire whoever you want. They will learn the phrase, "cut off you nose to spite your face."

CMON_MAN...I am going to do the very same thing in my business. Employees or vendors who think like the people on this page and supported Obama don't have the kind of logic, work ethic, and intelligence I want to deal with.

Maybe we can start a movement.

By the way, your rambling e-mail was a testament to liberal labor policies..."They are known sometimes as "company men or women" and are sometimes more responsible for keeping a company successful than the owners." What a croc of ...

November 8, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.
cmon_man said...

typical name calling and ranting with no point... just verbal jousting coming from ignorance and intolerance.... my points are proven even further... talking about a "croc" if you do not have anything constructive to say here you just monger hate.... again typical of what I was expressing by my opinion. If you have good people working under you then it makes your job as well as everyone's much easier, more profitable, and more enjoyable. I don't know you Timbo but I never called anyone any childish names as you do on a daily basis just like most of the rest of the neo-conservatives.

November 8, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
Asimpleguy said...

I really just wish all these business owners would put their businesses where their mouths are. If you are so certain your way is right and that your business will survive, why not "Chik-fil-a" it and say what your business is and where it's located? No one wants any physicality to take place or the other nonsense that has been brought up. Are you afraid that your business will suffer? After all you like to taught how big of risk takers you are, well lets see it.

November 8, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
ibshame said...

"timbo said... The only job of the Republican House is to stop this liberal socialist at every turn.

YEAH THAT REALLY WORKED OUT FOR TURTLE FACE MITCH MCCONNELL. IT EXPLAINS WHY THEY LOST 5 SENATE SEATS AND NOW THE DEMS CONTROL THE SENATE WITH 53 VOTES AND 2 INDEPENDENTS. UNLESS JOHN BOEHNER DOES NOT INTEND TO RUN AGAIN IN TWO YEARS HE WILL SIT DOWN AND COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE. OTHERWISE JUST LIKE THE SENATE THE REPUBS WILL LOSE CONTROL OF THE HOUSE IN 2014. THE TEA PARTY IS FINISHED.

"The liberals have won nothing...it is the same situation as before. It is even better now because there is no reason to negotiate with a lame duck president. Saying no to President Piss Ant is helping and is saving this country from itself."

YEAH RIGHT. NOTHING LIKE A GOOD CASE OF DENIAL, JUST ASK KARL "TURD BLOSSOM" ROVE. lol

A 1% popular vote win is virtually a tie. The socialists only have a mandate in their pea brains. They won by an extraordinary ground game and got their vote out.

SORRY TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE BUT IT WAS MORE THAN 1%. OF COURSE FACTS ARE SOMETHING PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T ADHERE TO BUT IT'S FACT JUST THE SAME. AND YES THEY DID HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARY GROUND GAME BUT IT WAS THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT KARL ROVE, DONALD TRUMP, THE KOCH BROTHERS, RUSH LIMBAUGH AND ALL THE OTHER WING NUT FREAKS PITCHING TENTS ON THE FRONT LAWN OF THE WHITE HOUSE.

Furthermore, without a black presidential candidate the minority vote would not have shown up and we would have Mitt Romney. Black racism (97% voted for Obama) is a big factor. The last two elections are the exceptions not the rule.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT DICK MORRIS OF FOX THOUGHT AS WELL UNTIL HE HAD TO SIT THERE WITH NOT A MUDSLIDE ON HIS FACE BUT SOMETHING FAR MORE SMELLY AND LAUGHABLE. EVEN HE HAD TO ADMIT HE HAD IT ALL WRONG BECAUSE OF HIS MISCALCULATION OF THE ELECTION OF 2008 BEING A MISNOMER. COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED TO A BETTER KNOW IT ALL HYPOCRITE. LOL

Bennett's stupid, racist cartoon is evidence of that.

WHAT YOU AND THOSE LIKE YOU DON'T LIKE IS THE FACT MR. BENNETT'S CARTOON IS DEAD ON. YOUR PARTY DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT FACT AND IT'S WHY YOU ARE LOSERS TODAY AND WILL REMAIN SO UNTIL YOU DO RECOGNIZE IT.

As for you firing people because of who they voted for, you should be grateful you live in a state where you can get away with doing that. If it was found out in some places that was your measure for determining who was going to be fired they could sue your azz off and you wouldn't have to worry about shutting down because you wouldn't have anything left to shut down. As it is people like you will get yours somewhere down the line. There's an old saying to paraphrase: When digging a grave for someone else to fall in, be sure to dig one for yourself.

November 8, 2012 at 1:17 p.m.
Leaf said...

timbo said, "Most small businesses in this country are owned by conservatives."

Proof? It might be true in Chattanooga, but Chattanooga is a very small place and not representative of the rest of the country.

The great majority of business and industry is located in urban centers. Also the population and GDP of the West Coast and New England dwarfs the rest of the country. Since urban centers and the afforementioned regions are all "blue" it would not surprise me at all if the majority of small businesses were in fact owned by liberals. Since only 1/3 of the population identifies as conservative and not liberal or independent, I am fairly certain that your statement is not accurate.

November 8, 2012 at 1:18 p.m.
miraweb said...

I find it very odd that any employer would think he or she has any control over the thoughts, beliefs, religion, or politics of the people who work with them.

The foundation of the country was always freedom of conscience.

If you want productivity from your employees - decency, respect, and treating them like adults gets you a long way.

If you enjoy managing people like middle-schoolers, they are human and will respond to that - and you will have nothing but grief and trouble all day long.

November 8, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: I seriously doubt most on here agree with the firing proposed by joneses. Hell, I don't think joneses agrees with it.

November 8, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Thanks President Tinkerbell, and those that voted for him...

“Their awe is lost and their might is gone and they don’t dare to carry out a new campaign like their past ones in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said Zawahiri.

All they need to do now is determine what they want to do to us next.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/08/al-qaida-leader-american-awe-is-lost-might-is-gone/

November 8, 2012 at 3:17 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_quoque said... Either way you come out as a “race hustler”.

Your commentary on race is laughable, most especially coming from someone like you. I'm surprised you're still here. But just in case you didn't get the memo: YOU GOT IT WRONG. Mitt Romney did in fact lose to President Obama and for the next four years it won't matter how many bullsh*t stats you post or how many articles from right wing rags like Brietbart.com, nothing you write will change the outcome: PRESIDENT OBAMA WON AND MITT ROMNEY IS A LOSER.

It's o.k. for you to slither back under your rock, your services won't be needed again until 2016. By that time if the Repubs keep on the same trajectory nationwide as they have in the last two elections, they will need people like you to show up for them because you will be all they have left and that of course is what will make them AS INSIGNIFICANT AS FLEA SH*T JUST LIKE YOU NOW. Here's one LMAO at you.

November 8, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I think we should capitulate.

November 8, 2012 at 3:37 p.m.
fairmon said...

HWTNB....

We do live in a country where you can champion any cause you select while I can conclude you are naive, gullible. You can have the attitude you are more informed and more knowing of the right direction for the country. I disagree with you and am of the opinion that over time you would destroy any for profit business you became responsible for. I know there are some employers and supervisors that act in an unacceptable way and those that have been subjected to such have and should have a recourse to assist them in those cases. However, it is not as frequent as many would have people believe. I know what I believe and would like to see and you have a totally different view so we might as well quit wasting space and time exchanging those unchangeable views. If you are not an employee in some government function you should be.

November 8, 2012 at 3:44 p.m.
delmar said...

timbo said...

"jonees....You are dead right...These liberal idiots don't understand business. Most small businesses in this country are owned by conservatives. You can SUBTLY hire or fire whoever you want. They will learn the phrase, "cut off you nose to spite your face."

CMON_MAN...I am going to do the very same thing in my business. Employees or vendors who think like the people on this page and supported Obama don't have the kind of logic, work ethic, and intelligence I want to deal with."

Wow,, what a true patriot you are. Such a moral, empathetic and ethical person. I'm sure there is a spot in heaven reserved just for you and jonses.

November 8, 2012 at 3:56 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

I haven't even had time yet to be happy for Obama. I've spent the last two days laughing at the look on Karl's face when the election got called. It's the same face I hope he has when the pilot announces, "Sorry, folks, our regularly-scheduled Dulles-to-Chicago flight has been rerouted to The Hague."

KARL!! - YOU MOTHER EFFER!

"WHERE'S MY MONEY? -SLAP- WHERE'S MY MONEY? -BACKHAND SLAP* WHERE'S MY MONEY? -BOP- WHERE'S MY MONEY? -OOF- WHERE'S MY MONEY? -BASH- WHERE'S MY MONEY? -CRACK!

I hope Rove isn't the victim of a tragic hunting accident.

Megyn Kelly to Karl Rove: "Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better, or is it real?" Hee haw!! Yep, this is unquestionably the best part of this election. Yes, better than Obama getting re-elected. Much better. Better than the utter spanking the Tea Party took across the board.

tu_quoque, maybe you can now get a job as a knob polisher. You certainly are showing your credentials as a professional.

November 8, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.
Leaf said...

MickeyRat, Karl Rove and his gang may not have been able to buy the presidency this time around, but they sure as heck bought a few Congressmen. Don't fool yourself that the money guys still don't have a lot of congressmen in their pocket.

November 8, 2012 at 4:11 p.m.

harp3339, excuse me? You just got done calling me naive and gullible...so who has the attitude that they are more informed and more knowing of the right direction for this country? Who chooses to come up with manufactured strawman arguments that have no basis in reality, but simple serve to show how you're trying to paint a picture of me for your own purposes? You.

But you know what you can do? Refrain from doing that.

Or you can keep doing that, and keep making yourself look bad.

miraweb, I'm wondering if joneses is a false-flag troll spouting this nonsense to make the right-wing look bad.

cmon_man, oh c'mon man, don't you realize that the conservatives here never do anything wrong or hostile? They're innocent little angels that are put upon by those mean and scurrilous bullying liberals.

rolando, sorry, but the Republican Right-wing still haven't given up on their dogwhistles.

Even Mitt Romney said he thought he'd do better if his skin was a bit darker.

hambone, sadly it seems they'd rather cast their beliefs even more sharply into stone.

Well, actually that's not too sad, since it sets them further on the path to irrelevancy.

November 8, 2012 at 4:13 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Oh I know that leaf.

A truly righteous election outcome:

  1. Adelson - extradited to China to face death penalty for bribery. Caught trying to escape to Israel (on his hoveround) and shot.

  2. Rove – taken forcibly from behind by mysterious Texan.

  3. Rupert - beats up his purchased g**k wife, rubs his depends in her face, and then is handcuffed and sent to the UK to stand trial for the phone tap cover-up.

  4. Trump - croaks out on the street and is ignored by people walking by.

  5. Limbaugh - explodes.

  6. Hannity - comes down with Tourette's syndrome.

  7. Romney's dog bites Paul Ryan in the balls.

November 8, 2012 at 4:30 p.m.
chatt_man said...

MickeyRat - I guess I only wish conservatives were as tolerant as you liberals are. Always such sweet things to say...

November 8, 2012 at 4:34 p.m.
Leaf said...

I think a lot of liberals are underestimating the Conservative political machine. I heard a lot of crowing after Obama's win in 2008. But it didn't take them long to manufacture the TEA party and come back with a vengeance. That they could make it close this year only four years after Bush and crippling the economy is pretty amazing.

The conservative leadership and money is not concerned as much with ideology as power. They will do what is necessary to retain it. If that means including hispanics in their tent within four years then that's what they will do. It's not that big of a stretch. Not all conservatives are afraid of Mexicans. George W.'s immigration plan was actually pretty good, but was blocked by members of his own party.

What are the angry old white guys going to do, vote Democrat? No, they'll fall in line like they always do. If they can hold their noses to vote for the likes of DeJarlais or a Mormon, then they will accept hispanics if it means a win for "their side".

November 8, 2012 at 4:37 p.m.
Leaf said...

Not that I have anything agains Mormons - I just figure the evangelicals don't consider them Christians. And I guess I don't either but it doesn't bother me like it does some of them.

November 8, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Leaf, surely you're smart enough to know Bush didn't cripple the economy. The economy was crippled by the democratic congress that wouldn't listen when the conservatives were trying to warn them of the impending doom brought on by the "everybody deserves to own a house" whether they can afford it or not.

November 8, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.

chatt_man, ah that's sweet. Like Ted Nugent perhaps? Or Donald Trump? Maybe that pastor who suggested God should strike Obama down?

But no, Bush's policies crippled the economy because he refused to do anything about the real problem. Which wasn't the people trying to own homes, but the profiteering mortgage lenders who still haven't been prosecuted for fraud to nearly enough an extent.

It was the Bernie Madoff's of the world, not the homeowners, who you should blame.

But you'd rather pretend that it was home ownership that was the problem, despite the fact that it was commercial and non-CRA loans that made up most of the bubble.

November 8, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

The only people seeing color now are those who use it as a crutch while blaming "da man." Get over it and go to work. You'll find you don't have time to read Toon Boys' kindergarten doodles.

November 8, 2012 at 4:49 p.m.
Leaf said...

Chatt_man. Of course Bush didn't cripple the economy by himself. It was a combination of several factors, all of them driven by greed and enabled by incompetence and lax regulations of the financial industry. But please notice in my comment above that I didn't say Bush caused the finiancial collapse, though I can see how you could read it that way. It's interesting that you can find a way to blame the whole thing on democrats, though.

No, there were plenty of other things that Bush did all by himself that turned off a significant portion of the population. Like Iraq, for instance.

November 8, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.

whatsnottaken, thanks for demonstrating that the right-wing's response to racism has become yet another case of blaming the victim.

Well, actually, it was always like that. Anybody but a right-winger complains about anything, it's their fault.

But when the right-winger has a complaint? Then it's 100% legit.

November 8, 2012 at 5:09 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Leaf: The only people I hear bitchin about Mormons are the tolerant leftists. Like you.

November 8, 2012 at 5:56 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

ibshame,

Here is an article exposing the 3 lies about unemployment numbers and how politicians use them to create a positive illusion. They help provide material for our resident stand up comedian we have living in the White House. Economists are interesting folk. Have you ever wondered who pays them and for what?

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/05/29/3-lies-about-jobs-and-the-unemployment-rate

November 8, 2012 at 6:32 p.m.
patriot1 said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMtICX4hQPE&feature=player_detailpage

Yeah, Yeah, I know this is off subject, but could you imagine this when Dubya was president!!!

November 8, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

^^^^Obama's Katrina (with press in his pocket)

November 8, 2012 at 6:44 p.m.

patriot, nope, because that FEMA center wouldn't be up. In fact, it'd probably have been sold to Halliburton.

November 8, 2012 at 7:25 p.m.
alprova said...

Timbo wrote: "jonees....You are dead right...These liberal idiots don't understand business."

I'm beginning to believe that you are not what you claim to be. Anybody who would make business decisions based on political leanings or suspicions, is a total moron.

"Most small businesses in this country are owned by conservatives."

You have no way to prove that.

"You can SUBTLY hire or fire whoever you want. They will learn the phrase, "cut off you nose to spite your face."..."

That goes both ways pal. A-holes who operate the way you describe are constantly churning employees. This isn't Russia, where jobs are assigned. If you act in any manner that you describe, I'm betting that you are constantly hiring to replace employees who quit.

"I am going to do the very same thing in my business. Employees or vendors who think like the people on this page and supported Obama don't have the kind of logic, work ethic, and intelligence I want to deal with."

Well guess what. I suspect that the feeling is quite mutual. Life is too short to put up with the kind of crap that you are claiming that influences your business decisions.

"Maybe we can start a movement."

There's a movement already in place for people who make poor business decisions. It's called U.S. Bankruptcy Court.

November 8, 2012 at 7:31 p.m.
alprova said...

Tu_quoque, it's nice of you to wade in on my challenge to joneses, but as usual, you have offered nothing at all that answers the question on the table.

It was equally nice of you to refer to all those allegedly cumbersome regulations that span the past decade, yet even you could not cite one....ONE regulation that the President is personally responsible for.

joneses claimed that because Obama was reelected, he has no choice but to lay off 38 employees. Why? What, if anything would have changed for joneses had Mitt Romney been elected, that would have instantaneously allowed him to keep on those 38 employees?

At 8:11 am, joneses posted, "I have held out as long as I can to keep all these people employed hoping some policies Hussein Obama put in place would be reversed if he was removed from the White House."

I want to learn more about these "policies" that Francis claims would have been reversed he President Obama would have been removed from the White House this coming January, that would have allowed him to retain the services of the 38 employees he claims are now going to be laid off.

You don't know a thing about joneses business. He made the claim and I would appreciate it if you would stand by and allow him to respond to offer the SPECIFIC policies that HE was referring to.

He's a big boy and doesn't need your help.

You have enough trouble maintaining your own credibility in this forum.

November 8, 2012 at 7:52 p.m.
degage said...

shoe_, thanks for the site about states that recieve aid. Been busy today so just now getting back. Your sit proved my point that both blue and red states recieve aid , I noticed some blue states recieved very large amounts.

November 8, 2012 at 8 p.m.
miraweb said...

The Republicans are now saying that raising revenue is fine, as long as you don't raise taxes.

Sounds like Rove is not the only one confusing that Republican math that you tell yourself to feel better with the real world. Guess they are still waiting for the good fairy of light and magic economic growth to save them from the fiscal cliff.

The markets are not at all happy.

Everybody ready for your 401K to become a 201K (again)?

November 8, 2012 at 8:06 p.m.
miraweb said...

Not Quite How We Get "Them" To Vote Like "Us"

A swing and a miss from Boehner:

Well I think what Republicans need to learn is – how do we speak to all Americans? You know, not just to people who look like us and act like us, but how do we speak to all Americans?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/11/transcript-diane-sawyers-interview-with-speaker-of-the-house-john-boehner-11812/


Helpful Tip Mr. Speaker - stop thinking of Americans whose votes you really, really want as them.

November 8, 2012 at 8:28 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "Leaf: The only people I hear bitchin about Mormons are the tolerant leftists. Like you."

He's not bitching about Mormons, Jack_youlate, he's laughing at the non-Mormon Christians who swallowed their scripture and sold out their "jealous" God to vote for a Mormon.

November 8, 2012 at 9:04 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: as usual, you make zero sense. And I believe he's a she.

November 8, 2012 at 9:22 p.m.
miraweb said...

Leaf - The question may not be if Bush caused the financial crash but whether he prevented it. We're not worried about Bush riding back into power but there are a lot of worries about Wall Street's ability to implode the world economy.

Double helpings of wild west capitalism have a long history of hard landings.

November 8, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Apologies to Leaf. eJack_, I bet you had difficulty with word problems in elementary school, didn't you?

"Because people with DRD have difficulty connecting the sounds of language to the letters of words, they may have difficulty understanding sentences.

True dyslexia is much broader than simply confusing or transposing letters, for example mistaking ”b” and “d.".

In general, symptoms of DRD may include:

Difficulty determining the meaning (idea content) of a simple sentence

Difficulty learning to recognize written words

Difficulty rhyming

DRD may occur in combination with writing or math learning problems."

Bless your heart.

November 8, 2012 at 10:14 p.m.
alprova said...

Tu_quoque, you really think you offered something up there?

ADA and service animals? You are a blooming idiot. AGAIN...try to focus on what was laid on the table. None of the above came from the President himself.

Ms. Nazi Babe with the immense personality disorder, I'm looking for a response from the man himself. It was HIS claim and HE needs to clarify the EXACT Obama policies that HE claims are hurting his business and are forcing him to layoff 38 employees.

Try butting out for once in your pathetic life. Your responses to his claims are quite meaningless, ignorant, and they don't even come close to hitting the mark.

You're simply incredible Ms. Forever Alone, literally.

November 9, 2012 at 1:12 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO suggesting someone else "butt-out". Now that's funny right there.

November 9, 2012 at 1:44 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "ALPO suggesting someone else "butt-out". Now that's funny right there."

This...coming from this forum's #1 poster of uninvited commentary, consisting most of the time, personal attacks on others.

You're as much a troll and you too suffer a similar personality disorder as the lady most likely destined to be caught dead in the arms of a blow up doll.

Francis made an incredible statement and he needs to explain it. He's a grown man. If there is a shred of truth to it, he'll have no problem whatsoever in clarifying his points.

If he does as I suspect he will, and has in the past whenever challenged, and completely ignores my challenge to clarify his charges, then the man is a complete fraud and is nothing he claims to be.

November 9, 2012 at 1:50 a.m.
fairmon said...

It will be and would have also been with Romney four years of surprises, shock and awe. A strong libertarian candidate may be welcome by a majority by 2016.

Alpro, I am glad I didn't follow your advice and cover the short sell of the S&P 500. It is now impossible to lose money with a trailing stop loss should the market reverse and start going up.

November 9, 2012 at 2:40 a.m.
potcat said...

Al and tu..................................................... ........................................................................................................................................................................................

November 9, 2012 at 6:37 a.m.
jesse said...

"uninvited commentary?" Personal attacks? I think all of us are guilty of those to one degree or another!!

Some more so than others!!

November 9, 2012 at 6:52 a.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_oftenwrongtolistento... Thanks for posting everything you could find, but I was merely giving your conservative cohort a synopsis of what might be his problem. He either has a propensity for feigning incredulity when logic loses its usefulness to him, or a clinical case of Jestaintgetnit.

I just couldn't keep popping in here if I were you, after the old fashioned a$$ whipping you absorbed on Tuesday! Has Florida made it's decision yet?? Has Karl Rove been institutionalized yet?

November 9, 2012 at 7:30 a.m.
joneses said...

Decisions friends of mine and I have made.

We will try our best to not conduct business in states that supported Hussein Obama.

We will not support minority owned businesses. Our reasoning is not hate based but we see no reason to support people whose actions are against and detrimental to our businesses and what we believe. So all you liberals can use racism if you want but you will be lying to yourself. I do not care.

No more charitable giving with the exception of the churches we attend. Including charitable golf tournaments and other functions. They can call Hussein Obama and let the government take care of them like you liberals want.

When we travel we will not tip members of the SEIU.

We wil not tip people we suspect of supporting Hussein Obama

We will not purchase union made cars and try to avoid other union products. This list is easily found.

We will not vacation in states that supported Hussein Obama. I have already canceled my ski trip to Colorado and am now going to Utah. One of my friends will also be selling his property on a Florida beach and will purchase another in Gulf Shores, AL.

We will review our investments and will try our best to make sure we are not invested in companies that are controlled by a union. I know this will be difficult and we probably can only minimize these investments.

Liberals, this is a grand opportunity for you to show us your hate by responding to these choices.

Let the movement begin!

November 9, 2012 at 7:36 a.m.
jesse said...

I think if this was 1950's U.S.S.R Rove would be in route to the GULAG! lol.

Time to stick a fork in his azz,he's all done!

November 9, 2012 at 7:39 a.m.
alprova said...

Tu_quoque wrote: "You stated that you know of no federal regulations passed in the last four years that would impact someone’s business and asked for just one example which I provided."

You need to go back up and read what I posted. I stated;

"My business is regulated mainly by the State of Georgia, with some Federal regulations in place that I must follow, but I can't recall one new Federal regulation having been added in the past four years."

I was referring to regulations that pertain to my business.

"Now you’re all pissed off that I ruined your little debating point that you so ignorantly though you could win."

Let's analyze what you think you dug up to understand why it falls woefully short.

The only thing you have done is to post revisions to regulations that have nothing at all to do with any existing business or building. Did you even read what you posted?

The regulations you posted apply to newly designed and constructed or altered State or local government facilities, public accommodations, and commercial facilities to be readily accessible to and usable by individuals with disabilities.

Existing buildings are totally exempt from your quoted regulations.

And again, for the third time, nothing you have offered substantiates in any manner, any charge that had Barack Obama not been reelected, that joneses would have reason to keep his imaginary 38 employees on staff.

Do you see why it is that you suffer credibility issues in here all the time? You're so wrapped up in wading in on issues where you have no knowledge to begin with, that you fail to pay attention to the subject at hand, then you routinely wind up with egg on your face when you attempt to dazzle everyone with your utter displays of B.S.

"I’m not speaking for or defending anyone but myself so get over that lame assed attempt at diversion."

Then you need to take a remedial course in reading comprehension 101.

"I’ll butt out when I get ready to do so and not one moment before and by the way you are squealing indicates that I hit my target."

Do you really think so? For the umpteenth time Missy, you are nothing, if not a total legend in your own mind.

You like to present yourself as a Pit Bull, and while you do bark a lot, the simple fact is that you are about as effective a protector as a Pomeranian puppy.

November 9, 2012 at 7:43 a.m.
dao1980 said...

jonesis: You're profile is fake, just another Bill Probasco baiting folks to argue with your nonsense.

November 9, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "Alpro, I am glad I didn't follow your advice and cover the short sell of the S&P 500. It is now impossible to lose money with a trailing stop loss should the market reverse and start going up."

I don't recall offering you any investment advice.

November 9, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
ibshame said...

REAL CLASS :The Rewards of Working for Mitt Romney. LOL

Garrett Haake at NBC:

“From the moment Mitt Romney stepped off stage Tuesday night, having just delivered a brief concession speech he wrote only that evening, the massive infrastructure surrounding his campaign quickly began to disassemble itself.

Aides taking cabs home late that night got rude awakenings when they found the credit cards linked to the campaign no longer worked."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineolen/2012/11/08/mitt-romneys-campaign-cancels-staffers-credit-cards-in-the-middle-of-the-night/

Poor staffers now they realize what being part of the 47% is all about. They weren't going to be mooching off ole Mittens anymore.

November 9, 2012 at 8:05 a.m.
alprova said...

Francis wrote: "Decisions friends of mine and I have made."

"We will try our best to not conduct business in states that supported Hussein Obama."

Good luck with that eternally stupid premise.

"We will not support minority owned businesses. Our reasoning is not hate based but we see no reason to support people whose actions are against and detrimental to our businesses and what we believe. So all you liberals can use racism if you want but you will be lying to yourself. I do not care."

Of course you don't care. You're a bigot of the worst order. You are presenting this as if it should surprise anyone.

"No more charitable giving with the exception of the churches we attend."

I shudder to think of the kind of church that you would attend.

"Including charitable golf tournaments and other functions. They can call Hussein Obama and let the government take care of them like you liberals want."

Given your demeanor in this forum, I doubt that your habits of charitable donations have changed one iota throughout your entire life.

"When we travel we will not tip members of the SEIU."

I doubt that your tipping habits are such that anyone will notice a difference.

"We wil not tip people we suspect of supporting Hussein Obama"

This will include, I'm sure, using a scientific approach to arrive at such a conclusion...right?

"We will not purchase union made cars and try to avoid other union products. This list is easily found."

No worries. Most of America will take up the slack in your stead.

"We will not vacation in states that supported Hussein Obama. I have already canceled my ski trip to Colorado and am now going to Utah. One of my friends will also be selling his property on a Florida beach and will purchase another in Gulf Shores, AL."

Okay...I just put on a pair of hip waders.

"We will review our investments and will try our best to make sure we are not invested in companies that are controlled by a union. I know this will be difficult and we probably can only minimize these investments."

I seriously doubt that you have any investments.

"Liberals, this is a grand opportunity for you to show us your hate by responding to these choices."

You do whatever makes you happy. I have every reason to think that your posts of yesterday were made from a man who is a complete fraud and has not an ounce of control over the fate of anyone's employment.

"Let the movement begin!"

Please...I seriously doubt that your bowels are of any interest to anyone else.

November 9, 2012 at 8:17 a.m.
alprova said...

ibshame posted: "Aides taking cabs home late that night got rude awakenings when they found the credit cards linked to the campaign no longer worked."

Man...that is cold.

November 9, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.
GameOn said...

joneses.... Don't forget Berkshire Hathaway Companies including Shaw Carpet. Buy Mohawk and forget Warren Buffett.

November 9, 2012 at 8:24 a.m.
fairmon said...

ibshame said to joneses....

you should be grateful you live in a state where you can get away with doing that. If it was found out in some places that was your measure for determining who was going to be fired they could sue your azz off and you wouldn't have to worry about shutting down because you wouldn't have anything left to shut down.

I can't and won't defend the illogical business decisions. I am reasonably familiar with employer legal requirements in several states which is why I ask you in which states would the decision and process be illegal and enable employees to sue because their selection to be among those layed off was due to their support of one political party over another? There may be other reasons they could have recourse in any state but as bad as it sounds not the reason given for their lay off.

November 9, 2012 at 8:26 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett and Obama think that the US is a collection of "oppressed" constituencies to be pandered to. This approach is dividing America and weakening it.

November 9, 2012 at 8:41 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

I don't recall offering you any investment advice.

You are right it was not advice just a comment on the wisdom of it when I posted I was shorting the S&P when it [SPY] was up to 147.8 and the campaign was getting ugly. It will likely reverse since Obama and his colleagues are not as distant from Wall St. and big money as people think. I would like to have an average monthly dividend income comparable to Obama's.

November 9, 2012 at 8:42 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Degage asks: “Dao, How did you come to the conclusion that red states are the ones asking for free stuff over the blue states.”

I think Dao1980 was referencing attitudes and socio-economic data, Degage. Red states may complain, but stats show that among states that voted Republican in the last three elections, all but one gets more money back from the federal government than it pays in taxes. Interestingly, I just read an article last month comparing blue states with red states like Texas – “Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala.” The findings are also interesting, particularly when it comes to infant mortality, life expectancy, and obesity:

“. . . In a statistical comparison complied at the request of The new republic, experts Marcia Meyers from the University of Washington and Sarah Bruch from the University of Iowa compared state performances on nine safety net programs for unemployed workers and low-income families. They found that blue states assisted more people in need and provided more generous benefits than the red states—even after adjusting for the fact that the blue states tend to be more expensive places to live. . .

. . . Blue states also invest a higher proportion of their budget on safety net spending, according to a study compiled by Curtis Skinner, director of family economic security at the National Center for Children in Poverty. This category includes major, means-tested programs like Medicaid and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, as well as smaller programs for foster care, homeless shelters, and so on. The ten “highest expenditure” states are blue states; eight of the ten “lowest expenditure states” are red. . .

. . .The numbers on infant mortality, life expectancy, teen pregnancy, and obesity break down in similar ways. A recent study by researchers at the American Institute for Physics evaluated how well-prepared high schoolers were for careers in math and science. Massachusetts was best, followed closely by Minnesota and New Jersey. Mississippi was worst, along with Louisiana and West Virginia. In fact, it is difficult to find any indicator of well-being in which red states consistently do better than blue states.

IF RICK PERRY wants to strip the Texas welfare state bare, why should voters in Maine or Oregon care? If anything, the blue states would probably benefit from such a move. Since red states have more poor people, and since their state governments spend less money on the safety net, they receive a larger share of federal funds. Among states that voted Republican in the last three elections, all but one gets more money back from the federal government than it pays in taxes. For most Democratic states, it’s the opposite. Looked at this way, the red states are the moochers and the blue states are the makers.”

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/magazine/108185/blue-states-are-scandinavia-red-states-are-guatemala?page=0,1

November 9, 2012 at 8:42 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Another sharply lower opening coming on Wall Street today

November 9, 2012 at 9:05 a.m.
ibshame said...

"harp3339 said... I can't and won't defend the illogical business decisions. I am reasonably familiar with employer legal requirements in several states which is why I ask you in which states would the decision and process be illegal and enable employees to sue because their selection to be among those layed off was due to their support of one political party over another? There may be other reasons they could have recourse in any state but as bad as it sounds not the reason given for their lay off. "

Hope this will answer your question since you seem to be so "knowledgeable" about just everything. It gives you the states and cities where such activity would be grounds for a lawsuit.

"1. I've been talking to my coworkers about my support of a political candidate. Is it illegal for my employer to retaliate against me for my political activities? Unlike many state and federal employees, most employees in America working for private employers do not have any legal protection against discrimination on the basis of political affiliation or activity. (A public employer can, under certain circumstances, be prevented from firing someone based on political speech (because that would constitute the government itself suppressing free speech.)) Only a mere handful of states (California, New York, and Washington, DC) have laws specifically making it illegal to discriminate on the basis of an employee’s political activity or affiliation, while two more states (Colorado and North Dakota) prohibit discrimination on the basis of “lawful conduct outside of work.”

Some cities (such as Seattle, Lansing, MI, and Madison, WI) also bar discrimination by private employers on the basis of political orientation, ideology, or similar terms. As many unions and their members are also very politically active, a number of standard union contracts include prohibitions on political activity discrimination, and some employers have also chosen to include this type of discrimination among the categories prohibited in their company’s own antidiscrimination policy disseminated to employees."

http://www.workplacefairness.org/retaliationpolitical?agree=yes#1

November 9, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb said: “I find it very odd that any employer would think he or she has any control over the thoughts, beliefs, religion, or politics of the people who work with them. The foundation of the country was always freedom of conscience.”

Yes, talk about an “Un-American” attitude. . . Personally, I seriously doubt that Joneses is an employer. . . And, indeed, if he is, I bet the employee turnover rate at Joneses is incredibly high. . . I can’t imagine anyone being able to work for such an erratic and temperamental boss very long. . . It would be like walking on rotten eggs everyday not knowing when one of those rotten eggs might break. . . Yuck.

November 9, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel posted....

Looked at this way, the red states are the moochers and the blue states are the makers.”

I thought it was redistributing wealth and income parity which you have consistently supported.

after adjusting for the fact that the blue states tend to be more expensive places to live. . .

Ever wonder why their cost of living is higher? Of course adjustments are necessary just as weekly unemployment reports have been tweaked to yield the results needed and in this case to support conclusions already reached. Figures don't lie but.......

The best solution is zero federal dollars to what should be a state responsibility. Borrowing money and steadily increasing the debt to support any state is misleading and essentially dishonest. Too many of those over 40 and those under 40 destined to be dependent are selfish and greedy and more than willing to burden future generations with a debt they cannot pay.

I have yet to see those advocating a bigger more benevolent central government propose how to pay for it other than a token higher so called "fair share" from those successful or wealthy which would have the same effect as having them urinate in the ocean to raise the sea level.

November 9, 2012 at 9:16 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

So, harp, do you have an explanation as to why states with more public assistance tend to vote republican? I find it rather odd. Especially those states that have a high percentage of poor rural whites on federal assistance.

November 9, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Letterman's Post-Election Obama Ad: ‘Hey Clint – F—k You!’

From the ever classy LEFT.

November 9, 2012 at 9:39 a.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

What do you get when you mix a little bit of white with a whole lot of RED, Black, Brown, Yellow?

The White House.

You know what is worse than being LEFT? Being a LOSER!

4 more years... Enjoy.

November 9, 2012 at 9:48 a.m.
dao1980 said...

JD commenting on what is and is not "classy".. is like conservative commenting on what it means to be a bigot... or degage commenting on reality in general.. or tu_ even commenting at all.

November 9, 2012 at 9:48 a.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

I hope the Republican Party continues to be the Party of the South and just like in the Civil War, the rest of us will be the winners.

Enjoy.

November 9, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.
degage said...

Stanley, It was republicans that freed the slaves the democrats in the south were keeping.Democrats were not the winners in the Civil War.

November 9, 2012 at 10:16 a.m.
delmar said...

Is the President planning on having another Q&A with the Republicans? Remember this?

November 9, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
degage said...

News alert, The adminstration has agreed with the UN for a ban on guns.Although we are not big on owning a gun we believe in the right to own one. 25 yrs ago we were getting ready to go crusing down Island in our sail boat so we bought a gun, Took classes on the proper use of guns, but have never used it and I'm not sure where it is, Somewhere hidden in the dark recesses of the house. The second amendment will be trashed if the UN has its way. Why should the people of the US let the UN dictate to us.

November 9, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
cmon_man said...

no "ban on guns"... the right has been using this scare tactic for years and years and years

November 9, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.

harp3339, if their bladders were the same relative size to the ocean as their finances to the deficit, it'd be easily done.

Or are you one of the people who thinks that paying off the federal debt in one go is the path of choice?

That could be done, mind you, but it'd be silly. So if you want to trot that out, please stop yourself now.

degage, and yet you provide no source.

Let me try one:

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/still-no-international-gun-ban-treaty/

Let me ask you another question, why should the people of the world let the US dictate to them?

And if you haven't noticed, the Republicans have changed since the Civil War. Maybe a quick glimpse at the electoral map would point that out.

Nah, Republicans would rather pretend they didn't embrace the Solid South.

November 9, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dao1980: Find one bigoted remark I've ever made.

November 9, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
dao1980 said...

no no! Jack, please don't misunderstand me, I didn't say that you made bigoted remarks.

November 9, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
fairmon said...

bulbs said...

Or are you one of the people who thinks that paying off the federal debt in one go is the path of choice?

You have never seen me even hint at that although you at one time reacted as though I had so you could ramble on about how it was unrealistic and suggested the debt was not a problem. Stopping the growth of debt would be a major first step. My dealings with various government agencies at the state and federal level convince me eliminating their wasteful inefficiency, redundandancy and turf protection would make a difference not to mention any favoritism and fraud that reportedly is prevalent but I did not see or suspect such in my interactions. I have no doubt the military could absorb the cuts if the waste, abuse, congressional favors and favoritism were aggressively addressed.

I think the mammoth size of the federal government with millions of employees is unmanageable. It is a myth that any president, any cabinet member or congressional committee can attend to or hire in a way that all under their umbrella is managed well. Abdication appears to be more prevalent than responsible delegation. The budgeting process is never zero based but simply increasing the budget of various departments. Not increasing the money available is viewed as a bold step and a hardship on those in that department.

Increasing personal income taxes is not a problem if there is not an equal increase in spending but a similar cut in spending. Congress controls the purse strings and given more they will spend more and I doubt Obama would ever veto a spending bill.

I see no initiative from either party to enable businesses to better compete on a global basis to increase the need for American workers in wealth creating businesses. The initiatives seem to favor government employment and service industries with a wide gap in compensation between management and workers. The government has the same compensation gap. Those government employees that do the hard "boots on the ground" work dealing with the public such as THRC, EEOC, OSHA audits etc. and other agents assisting people are not paid as well as some and too many that do little more than data crunch and interact with key government people and managers.

November 9, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 in regard to ”the red states are the moochers and the blue states are the makers” says: “I thought it was redistributing wealth and income parity which you have consistently supported.”*

As I recall, I was just presenting a few facts about red states and blue states, Harp3339. I didn’t share my opinion on “redistribution” in this particular post – indeed, I didn’t think there was any need to do so. . . Do you? . . . And speaking of opinions, I note that you haven’t responded and answered Ikeithlu’s question to you: “So, harp, do you have an explanation as to why states with more public assistance tend to vote republican? . . . Especially those states that have a high percentage of poor rural whites on federal assistance.”

Harp3339 says: “After adjusting for the fact that the blue states tend to be more expensive places to live. . . Ever wonder why their cost of living is higher?

There isn't any need to wonder, Harp3339. It’s all about the cost of housing . . . regions only have so much space . . . and when a lot of people want to live in a certain region the cost of housing usually rises. . . know what I mean?

Harp3339 said: “Of course adjustments are necessary just as weekly unemployment reports have been tweaked to yield the results needed and in this case to support conclusions already reached. Figures don't lie but.......”

None of this changes the fact that ”red states have more poor people, and since their state governments spend less money on the safety net, they receive a larger share of federal funds,” and that “among states that voted Republican in the last three elections, all but one gets more money back from the federal government than it pays in taxes.”

Harp3339 said: “The best solution is zero federal dollars to what should be a state responsibility. Borrowing money and steadily increasing the debt to support any state is misleading and essentially dishonest. Too many of those over 40 and those under 40 destined to be dependent are selfish and greedy and more than willing to burden future generations with a debt they cannot pay.”

Well, Harp3339, if we’re going to discuss things like greed, selfishness, and irresponsibility, I believe it’s only fair to start with all of those Republican politicians who followed their leader George W Bush and opted to cut taxes and borrow millions and millions of dollars to invade and nation build in Iraq – the same group of Republican politicians who want to continue cutting taxes for the wealthy and are proposing to pay for it by cutting the safety net for America’s poor, the unemployed, elderly citizens and by raising taxes on the middle-class. To ignore the bottom line behind the Republican proposal is misleading and disingenuous.

November 9, 2012 at 12:06 p.m.

harp3339: Gee, you're indignant that you believe I'm implying something about you? I guess maybe you ought to consider your own example of behavior there, huh?

Though actually, your denials I do not find believable since I believe I have seen you go on about the size of the debt and its impossibility to pay off in a short period of time. But maybe I'm confusing you with somebody else here. But since I do recall you coming up with the notion of "100% taxing the rich" on their income in order to throw that up as a strawman against me, I'm not actually distressed at your indignation. I can pretty much see that behavior on this page, or a few days before. Or weeks before that, but hey, if you want to agree that we need a long-term period of debt repayment, great, you can repudiate that notion rather than go for indignant outrage. Only Pat Toomney was really pushing that idea anyway. Even the miraculous Paul Ryan let things go as far out as 2040. But do avoid the pretense of being offended.

Your own readily observable conduct makes that an act of hypocrisy on your part. Hypocrisy rarely does anybody credit.

As to the rest of your comments, me, I think that serving the needs of the whole country is important, and that I've seen far more corruption in small, local units, that was intractable and irreparable, than I have in the whole system at large. All while dogmatically demanding the right to have things go their way, no matter how discriminatory and abusive. I've also seen no shortage of private actors seeking their own benefit from the government while sanctimoniously belaboring how others get some from the government. But you know what's a myth? That everything has to be micromanaged and perfect to be functional. That'a pernicious attitude in both private and public sectors.

Sometimes I fear more money is wasted checking for waste than would be lost to waste. Same with zero-based. The only thing I've come out of that is people spending money to justify their budgets. It's not a benefit, it's a loss disguised as a system that works.

As for your spending bill concerns, I would hope no such overall bill that a President felt a need to veto would ever pass through Congress. I don't care for brinksmanship myself. Though responsibility for such is debatable, mind you, with the line-item veto being unacceptable without a constitutional amendment, the President's tools are significantly limited.

But hey, I see you're engaging in concern that executives and management in government agencies are paid more than the people doing the actual work. Gee, I wonder where else that applies. Would you be upset with me if I felt that that compensation discrepancy gap in the private sector is more of a problem?

Though for favoring government employment, I think Obama is doing a terrible job, more and more of them are being laid off at all levels. Are you sure your observations are congruent with reality?

November 9, 2012 at 12:47 p.m.

As for the various industries and their employment, unfortunately there's not much we can do when productivity per employee is going up, while demand is remaining static or going down.

GM, Ford, and other companies did great when there was an absolute need for more and more vehicles, but at a certain point, they're not filling a huge void, but rather sustaining an established market.

The same applies to many other industries. Even Starbucks will one day run out of places to put stores. Or look back to the shift-over from the agricultural economy. We were fortunate that that coincided with a need elsewhere.

Admittedly, the universe is vast, but our reach is only so much.

What to do with all the people around? That's a tough question, but I doubt they're going to sit down and starve.

November 9, 2012 at 12:57 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Tu does not even read or comprehend what she pastes apparently. Those are not new regulations at all, but revisions to existing ADA requirements, mostly fixing typos. For instance:

"This document corrects typographical errors and one substantive error reflected in certain sections of the rule relating to service animals."

November 9, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.

Sssh, don't actually offer substantial examination of the details, just go by whatever misleading headline statement can be offered.

For example, I can confirm GM is hiring people to work in China. That those postings are for mechanics at their dealerships there? NOT IMPORTANT!

November 9, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.
raygunz said...

delmar,thanks for posting that clip of Pres. Obama at the House Repub conference, haven't seen it in a while. But,y'know after having watched it several times, I still haven't figured out where they hid the TELEPROMPTER!! LOL!

November 9, 2012 at 1:51 p.m.
ibshame said...

"harp3339 said...

I am reasonably familiar with employer legal requirements in several states which is why I ask you in which states would the decision and process be illegal and enable employees to sue because their selection to be among those layed off was due to their support of one political party over another? "

I provided you with the information as you requested. Are these the states and cities of which you are REASONABLY FAMILIAR? However just in case you missed it, Here it is again:

"Unlike many state and federal employees, most employees in America working for private employers do not have any legal protection against discrimination on the basis of political affiliation or activity. (A public employer can, under certain circumstances, be prevented from firing someone based on political speech (because that would constitute the government itself suppressing free speech.)) Only a mere handful of states (California, New York, and Washington, DC) have laws specifically making it illegal to discriminate on the basis of an employee’s political activity or affiliation, while two more states (Colorado and North Dakota) prohibit discrimination on the basis of “lawful conduct outside of work.”

Some cities (such as Seattle, Lansing, MI, and Madison, WI) also bar discrimination by private employers on the basis of political orientation, ideology, or similar terms. As many unions and their members are also very politically active, a number of standard union contracts include prohibitions on political activity discrimination, and some employers have also chosen to include this type of discrimination among the categories prohibited in their company’s own antidiscrimination policy disseminated to employees."

http://www.workplacefairness.org/retaliationpolitical?agree=yes#1

Like I said earlier Jones should be happy he lives in a state where there is not even a semblance of protection against his kind of cowardly action.

November 9, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
lightkeeper said...
<p>@Joneses...Your comment about laying off your employess and venders in states that supported Obam is absolutly the worst post that has ever been posted on this TFP editorial page. I thought that lunatic Toes was bad, but you got even him beat. I would like for you to tell us what company you run so we can boycott your azz and repot you to the Federal Government so the only thing you will be running is your racist mouth

November 9, 2012 at 2:41 p.m.
mymy said...

The start and more to come, I'm sure:

OBAMA REELECTION TRIGGERS MASSIVE LAYOFFS ACROSS AMERICA

http://nation.foxnews.com/2012-presidential-election/2012/11/09/obama-reelection-triggers-massive-layoffs-across-america

Boeing Announces Big Layoffs in Defense Division

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49729998

Vegas Employer: Obama Won–So I Fired 22 Employees

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/11/07/vegas-employer-obama-won-so-i-fired-22-employees/

November 9, 2012 at 3:20 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Give me a job now... I deserve it. I voted for him dammit! This is not working like it's supposed to...

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/11/09/city-to-hold-job-fair-today-at-kennedy-king-college/

November 9, 2012 at 3:31 p.m.
dao1980 said...

You guys should try to get into a production on Broadway.

Your wailing flailing melodramatics to a fictional narrative could be worthy of some sort of actors guild award.

November 9, 2012 at 3:31 p.m.
Leaf said...

Dao re your post 9:48. Zing! Nice.

I just want to respond to an allegation made yesterday that I have an issue with Mormons. Thanks to a few of you for defending me by correctly reading and comprehending the words I wrote.

I clearly said I don't have any problems with Mormons. I know some and like them. All I said was that there are some Christians who don't consider the Mormon religion to be a branch of Christianity, and I stand by that statement.

November 9, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.
Walden said...

A quote from a job seeker at a major job fair held in Chicago this morning:

(job seeker) Rodney Booker said, “I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.”

Santa Claus is coming to town, yeah yeah yeah, Santa Claus is coming to town...

November 9, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
Leaf said...

I agree completely with Joneses, and from now on I'm going to only do business with American Conservatives who live in red states and don't belong to unions and don't take any money from the Feds.

So anyway I could use your advice. I'm getting pretty hungry. I wanted to buy some food but it was all shipped by truck drivers. Some of those people probably voted for Obama. Heck, they could even be in unions for all I know. Even the conservatives among them drove on roads payed for mostly by blue staters and of course their diesel fuel was subsidized by tax money since we use our military and state department to guarantee our oil supply, and then there are the tax breaks to oil companies.

I went to the local farmer's market but imagine my surprise when I found out that most of them benefit from farm subsidies and crop insurance! Some of them even use migrant labor. Criminy, I'm not sure that I won't starve to death soon. I'm pretty cold too, since I threw away all my clothes made in China, Mexico and the Phillipines. This is harder than I expected, but I'm determined to see this through.

Fortunately I've stockpiled a lot of guns and ammo so I can hunt for my meals. As a true American I'm not using the type of ammo that has gunpowder consisting partially of phosphates from the Carribean or South America. I'm making my own black powder. I blew my left hand off yesterday. It's taking me longer to type this than usual, but it's a small price to pay for independence from those of a different politial opinion.

Does anyone know how to forage for vegetables this time of year? I think I might be getting scurvy. Well wish me luck. Sincerely, Leaf

November 9, 2012 at 3:52 p.m.
cmon_man said...

well here's some shocking news for the dividers in here... thousands of layoffs happen every year no matter which party holds the Whitehouse. Even if Romney would have won there would have been layoffs this year just as in every year in the history of the United States. Spin the stories from the dividers any way you want but these people are dead set against uniting America and will keep their heads buried in the sand.. Well I've got some more overtime to work tomorrow so I'm going home now. United we stand, divided we fall....

later

November 9, 2012 at 4:10 p.m.
dao1980 said...

They're just acting out like bratty little kids. Or like a lunatic that would rather kill what they claimed to love before seeing it in the arms of another... political party.

Those links that they post are to spin-master, angry-politico, conspiracy theory mongering sites that cater to crazies that indulge their vanity by imagining that everyone is after them.

Oh, and thanks Leaf. I gotta say, your survival story gave me quite a chuckle as well.

Manufacturing in automotive and home goods is continuing its upward trend. Which is and has been, good for me!

November 9, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.

I find it questionable what kind of entrepreneurial businessman thinks that the way to get what they want is to fire their workers.

Must have read too much John Galt I guess.

The fellow from Yesterday should just terminate his staff, that'll teach them! They'll surely clean his house much better!

November 9, 2012 at 4:27 p.m.
denny_42 said...

Jonses, Are you related to Joe the plumbers helper?

November 9, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.
chatt_man said...

To dao the dumbass...

I find it hard to call CBS local in Chicago a "spin-master, angry-politico, conspiracy theory mongering sites that cater to crazies that indulge their vanity by imagining that everyone is after them" site.

Sorry you're too stupid to pay attention.

November 9, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.
miraweb said...

Sounds like a bad case of MTRTTTFB (1).

I was out today and everyplace I went shops were hiring up for the holidays.

If there are some folks who are having a post-election sulk and damaging their own businesses, I can only assume their competitors will be very, very pleased.

I suspect that group is very small and they own businesses would have failed sooner or later.

Defense is facing cuts with or without the fiscal cliff. I wouldn't read too much into defense contractor layoffs. Those were already baked in.

(1) Math That Republicans Tell Themselves To Feel Better.

November 9, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.
limric said...

The Republicans' con job message is really a cover for their belief that women and minorities are "parasites."

Matt Taibbi wrote, “Modern Republicans have so much of their own collective identity wrapped up in the belief that they're surrounded by free-loading, job-averse parasites who not only want to smoke weed and have recreational abortions all day long, but want hardworking white Christians like them to pay the tab," "Their whole belief system...is inherently insulting to everyone outside the tent – and you can't win votes when you're calling people lazy, stoned moochers."

He’s exactly right. Those very sentiments are plainly evident in many of the posts in this forum.

November 9, 2012 at 5:21 p.m.
fairmon said...

ibshame provided....

Only a mere handful of states (California, New York, and Washington, DC) have laws specifically making it illegal to discriminate on the basis of an employee’s political activity or affiliation, while two more states (Colorado and North Dakota) prohibit discrimination on the basis of “lawful conduct outside of work.”

Thanks. Good information. Actually I had never heard or had anyone suggest they would fire people for that reason. I would probably never have thought about the need for a law addressing the issue, Apparently there is.

I don't agree with Obama and his agenda but I don't wish for those that do anything bad. In fact the best thing would be if the economy did improve and more people obtained good paying jobs and I made money in a good market instead of a bad market.

November 9, 2012 at 5:23 p.m.
mtngrl said...

"smoke weed and have recreational abortions all day long..."

Ahhh, what a life. I may start having recreational abortions every 30 min or so just to see what all the fuss is about :)

November 9, 2012 at 5:37 p.m.
chatt_man said...

limric - that all sounds great, but, when the hard working people get tired of working, where's the government get its money to provide for all of us?

November 9, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.
fairmon said...

ibshame provided....

some employers have also chosen to include this type of discrimination among the categories prohibited in their company’s own antidiscrimination policy disseminated to employees."

That had been my experience, managers did not engage in political conversation or campaigning. Most of several thousand employees did not flaunt their political views or affiliations on the job. I can't imagine making a connection of those that were dependable, reliable, capable and did their job well and their political views. There were heated debates and disagreement among a few but as long as work wasn't interfered with and no fights occurred management had no reason to be concerned. An employer invest a lot of money in orientation and training of an employee so why lose that investment? It won't improve the business and it won't change the employees political opinion.

The day will come when many of those cheering on todays popular agenda of larger government, increased debt and dependency will have a change in their view when the time comes to pay and they become "it". There will still not be justification for disparate treatment based on an employees political views.

November 9, 2012 at 5:56 p.m.
ricardo said...

You people are idiots. I voted for Obama, and I expect NOTHING in return. I have a job, and it pays a hell of a lot more than I can get in government assistance, even after taxes, so why would I just lay out and get less. Find something else to b!tch about.

November 9, 2012 at 6:07 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said....

Well, Harp3339, if we’re going to discuss things like greed, selfishness, and irresponsibility, I believe it’s only fair to start with all of those Republican politicians who followed their leader George W Bush and opted to cut taxes and borrow millions and millions of dollars to invade and nation build in Iraq – the same group of Republican politicians who want to continue cutting taxes for the wealthy and are proposing to pay for it by cutting the safety net for America’s poor, the unemployed, elderly citizens and by raising taxes on the middle-class. To ignore the bottom line behind the Republican proposal is misleading and disingenuous.

Misleading and disengenous is allowing the debt to continue unchecked and to not allow the temporary tax rates expire. Quit extending a temporary tax rate and do what is needed to set a tax rate that stays until it is changed to another rate. This uncertainty and cliff hanging is rediculous and disruptive to the economy. Let the rates expire then do what is needed to revise the tax system.

Start any place you want and remember 1/3/2007 and the economy as measured by employment and spending levels before and after that point. You have not seen me support the republican agenda but it is better than the path we are on. You have never accepted the hazards of the increasing debt, the demise of the dollar as the worlds currency or the interest on the debt absorbing a huge portion annual revenue.

I did not support going into Iraq when we did but I do not accept your contention it was for reasons other than Bush and people in congress of both parties did believe there were biological weapons of mass destruction. The concern was they may be used on people in Iraq or in neighboring countries. My opinon was...so what. I would not want another country invading this cournty because they thought the government had a certain weapon that could and may be used on us.

France is using your weapon of choice for destruction, a 75% tax rate is their weapon of mass destruction against some in that country. If it works for them perhaps we can model it.

November 9, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Waterboard Gen. Petraeus.

November 9, 2012 at 6:28 p.m.
fairmon said...

No reason for Petraeus to resign based on the news I have seen thus far.

November 9, 2012 at 6:51 p.m.
joneses said...

The insight and wisdom of the writer of the following article pretty much captures the essence of Obama’s re-election: This quote came from the Czech Republic. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper ‘Prager Zeitungon’:'

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

November 9, 2012 at 6:56 p.m.
fairmon said...

hwtnb said...

Sometimes I fear more money is wasted checking for waste than would be lost to waste. Same with zero-based. The only thing I've come out of that is people spending money to justify their budgets. It's not a benefit, it's a loss disguised as a system that works.

Once waste is allowed it proliferates so prevention is critical. to me zero based budgeting is starting with zero and justifying any spending you plan for next year. I see what you describe, the scramble to spend at year end so you get the same plus some next year plus any major one time items. TVA used to be famous for that, probably still are. That is not zero based budgeting but the lazy way, which is base line budgeting, on the part of the comptrollers (congress).

November 9, 2012 at 7:05 p.m.

harp3339, at a certain point, waste prevention itself becomes the source of more waste as you spend far more effort to chase nickels than they're worth. And thus it grows even further, as you have to find the waste in the waste-prevention. It's a snarl that tangles in itself.

The same goes with the mythical zero-based budgeting. All that happens is somebody produces a report to say what they want. Exactly what they'd do otherwise.

joneses, I wonder what picking Mitt Romney would say...oh yeah, that we'd buy a story from somebody who changes positions without qualm, who seems to be the chameleon prince.

November 9, 2012 at 7:17 p.m.
fairmon said...

happy bulbs responded....

But hey, I see you're engaging in concern that executives and management in government agencies are paid more than the people doing the actual work. Gee, I wonder where else that applies. Would you be upset with me if I felt that that compensation discrepancy gap in the private sector is more of a problem?

I don't consider the private sector more of a problem but it is a problem, especially the corporate level in large companies. CEO and top management compensation is ridiculous. I don't know what stock holders and stake holders can do to cause the BOD's to fulfill their fiduciary responsibility any more than those that would like to see congress fulfill theirs are able to influence their behavior. There is a big difference in personal income and company profits.

November 9, 2012 at 7:21 p.m.
rolando said...

Well, I see my earlier question, re: Why is Congress pursuing BenghaziGate and Fast and Furious now that The Obama is re-elected, has been answered. Pretty neat, actually.

The principal players in BenghaziGate, SecState Clinton and CIA Dir Petraeus as well as Fast And Furious notable, AG Holder, were scheduled to testify before Congress on those topic next week. No longer will they appear; Clinton resigned yesterday, Petraeus today, and Holder soon. Without their job, they don't testify; chalk up three more thrown under the bus.

No doubt they all have wonderful retirement benefits [wink, wink, nudge, nudge].

November 9, 2012 at 7:33 p.m.

harp3339, Well, at least you're not upset with me over it. What to do, what to do indeed.

rolando, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton resigned yesterday, huh?

I think you're reading rampant speculation as gospel truth.

November 9, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.
joneses said...

asimplefool,

That was a pathetic try to get me to reveal my identity, absolutely pathetic. I left this morning because I wanted to go to work as people depend on me. There is a reason you are not working and I would bet it is the same reason no one will hire you. You are dishonest What is your name and address? Ooooh, you have not the courage to share that information with all of us?

Blue sky,

What is your name and address? Ooooh, you have not the courage to share that information with all of us either?

For all of you that would boycott my business if you knew what I produced and the location. I have nothing you would buy or would know how to use as like I said it is more complicated that an Etch and Sketch. What you are saying is you would boycott a business you would not buy from anyway. Do you know how stupid you sound?

I will never understand how so many people can be fooled by one man, Hussein Obama, who has failed at everything and did not fulfill one promise he made. It must be the perfect example of someone telling you lies over and over and eventually your weak little minds start believing these lies. Do you not find it odd that all the democratic politicians and the liberal media keep saying the same thing over and over again? Does this not sound like it is rehearsed and is actually meant to brainwash you? Listen to them and pay attention.

So long losers! I hope you all get exactly what you deserve from Hussein Obama, a life of poverty and all the health care which you will not have access to anymore as doctors will be retiring in droves. And when it all comes down I am sure your liberal propaganda machine will convince you your misery comes from something other than the people you support as they know they can convince you by repeating the same lies. People like Hitler and Jim Jones were very successful at this tactic and you will suffer the same fate if you do not open your minds.

You are a sad lot.

November 9, 2012 at 7:47 p.m.
rolando said...

bulb -- Her announced resignation is all over the Internet.
Your wishful thinking is showing...

November 9, 2012 at 8:04 p.m.
rolando said...

joneses -- They WANT a dictator telling the "How high" and "How much" so they don't have to think.

That election was the 47% Romney said didn't concern him because, no matter what he would say, they would vote for The Obama anyway. And they did.

It's not the economy, it's the free stuff...

November 9, 2012 at 8:08 p.m.
alprova said...

joneses, I guess you have decided to ignore my inquiries and challenges to your statements of yesterday.

In the future, it might be best if you don't attempt to pass yourself off as someone who owns a business or as someone in charge of making employment decisions for others. Your asinine allegations prove you to be a complete fraud.

Apparently, you scanned the web, found references to inflammatory material much like have been posted by others today, outlining allegations that people were being laid off due to the outcome of the election, and you joined in with your falsehoods.

You Sir have been exposed one time to many as a pathological liar and your credibility will forever stand at zero.

By all means, feel free to go ahead and post more of your utterly false crap. Just don't expect very many people to believe a thing you post.

BTW, your cut and paste quoted article, allegedly originating from Prager Zeitungon, a German publication that is based in the Czech Republic, has landed on every one of the anti-Obama websites and has been forwarded to e-mail in-boxes across the country for the past two years.

There is not a shred of proof that the quote ever originated from that particular source -- rather, it sounds like something that the likes of Glenn Beck would make up.

And even if it did, I find it totally hilarious to witness anti-Obama idiots go giddy, much like schoolgirls in the audience of a Justin Bieber concert, over something that a rogue foreign newspaper would offer.

Clearly, it's going to be a very miserable existence for you and some others over the next four years.

November 9, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

What other post-election surprises are coming? (doesn't matter, the press will bury them)

November 9, 2012 at 9:25 p.m.
joneses said...

Someone please tell alpussy I ignore him because he is a fool and a liar and I expect nothing from pathetic POSs like him. He is nothing but a Kool Aid drinker who has not the balls God gave a jack rabbit. I ignore others on here for the same reason. I have not the time to converse with pathetic, gullible, liberal, fools that can be brainwashed by the Jim Jones of the world as I have no respect for them after what they have done to this country again. Alpussy is so arrogant he actually thinks that anyone who refuses to converse with him must be a liar when at the end of the day he is the liar. Do you not find it interesting alpussy is on here all day but still has time to run this so called business he owns? Alpussy is nothing but a liar and one cannot believe any of the vile crap he regurgitates from his mouth.

I wonder if alpussy will tell us what company he owns that he lets the government give subsidies (tax deductions)? If alpussy does not tell us the name of his company then according to people that replied to my post this morning he is a coward. I bet he prints t-shirts or sells some other meaningless product.

I actually am laying 38 people off by the end of the year to help bolster my financial position in 2013 and beyond and setting up for retirement before I shut the doors. Most just happened to vote for Hussein Obama. it is an amazing coincidence. My purpose for starting this business 33 years ago was not to employ people. My purpose was to make a living and through my hard work and wise business decisions it has paid off. Because of these wise business decisions I ended up creating jobs and hiring employees. But now because of the negative business climate brought on by Hussein Obama and his policies which are directed at my specific industry I have decided to shut the doors in 1 to 2 years with downsizing beginning after Thanksgiving of this year. I will be handing out their "Call Obama" slips over the next 4 weeks.

November 9, 2012 at 9:34 p.m.
joneses said...

Does anyone else here see the hypocrisy from these gullible liberals associated with CIA Director Petraeus? When he was working for President Bush the gullible foolish liberals referred to him as "General Betrayus" but all of a sudden when he started working for this fool in the White House he became God like to the ignorant, Kool Aid drinking liberals. Pure hypocrisy at it's finest.

November 9, 2012 at 9:48 p.m.

rolando, really, is that so? According to you, Hillary Clinton's resignation is all over the internet? Where? What about President Obama's desk, is it there?

Nope, apparently you're just wishfully taking speculation as fact. Maybe you got it from one of those birther sites that announced how their lawsuit being dismissed was actually a victory!

joneses, there are plenty of liberals who didn't like Obama's decision regarding him, and never liked Petreus.

The praise you see now may just be the decorum that civilized people show, a concept you're obviously not familiar with.

November 9, 2012 at 9:59 p.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "Someone please tell alpussy I ignore him because he is a fool and a liar and I expect nothing from pathetic POSs like him. He is nothing but a Kool Aid drinker who has not the balls God gave a jack rabbit. I ignore others on here for the same reason. I have not the time to converse with pathetic, gullible, liberal, fools that can be brainwashed by the Jim Jones of the world as I have no respect for them after what they have done to this country again."

Hey...it's no skin off my nose if you want to sit there and to refuse to back up what you say with any justification. I know you're full of stuff.

You had better get used to being outvoted. This country belongs to more than just a select few. What rabbits will Republicans try to pull from their hats to attempt to sew up the next election?

People stood in line for hours to make sure that this election was not taken away from them.

"Alpussy is so arrogant he actually thinks that anyone who refuses to converse with him must be a liar when at the end of the day he is the liar."

That Sir, is a child's argument. You made the statements. I asked you to clarify them with something in the way of justification. You and I know you cannot begin to justify any reason for your assertion that 38 people are going to lose their jobs because Barack Obama was reelected.

There are no policies or regulations that the President has put in place that would have been rescinded had Mitt Romney been elected, that are in any manner an impediment to businesses.

And because you refuse to address your own statements with clarity, because your statements are false, you are a fraud. It's just that simple.

"Do you not find it interesting alpussy is on here all day but still has time to run this so called business he owns? Alpussy is nothing but a liar and one cannot believe any of the vile crap he regurgitates from his mouth."

If anyone is interested, I invite them to take a few moments to check my posting times. Five days a week, I am usually engaged elsewhere between the hours of 10:00 am until after 6:00 pm. One can derive the two days a week that my business is closed, simply by perusing my posting times.

Business has been so good lately that I can't remember the last time I actually made a post from my office.

joneses, I really must remind you that you have never heard me utter one word from my mouth.

(To be continued)

November 10, 2012 at 12:32 a.m.
alprova said...

(Cont.)

"I wonder if alpussy will tell us what company he owns that he lets the government give subsidies (tax deductions)?"

I will not be posting my name or the name of my business, for obvious reasons. I serve the public. Anyone can drive right up to the door of my business. I will not expose myself or my employees to possible harassment by someone, such as yourself for instance, whom I feel is unstable, dangerous, or just plain batcrap crazy.

If you truly were in business, you would not be questioning the issue of tax deductions. I cited clearly and specifically the tax savings that I have enjoyed since Obama has been in office.

Payroll taxes have been lowered, my own personal income taxes have remained consistent. In addition to that, I am allowed to write-off for the entire amount in health care premiums that I pay on behalf of my employees and their families, plus I receive a tax credit for providing health care insurance for each employee. In a little over a year, that health care tax credit will rise by 15%.

"If alpussy does not tell us the name of his company then according to people that replied to my post this morning he is a coward. I bet he prints t-shirts or sells some other meaningless product."

Not even close, and let's not try to take focus off of the subject being discussed. You Sir, are the one who is claiming that the Obama reelection is costing 38 people their jobs. You stated that his policies are the reason. I merely asked for some clarification as to what policies those were.

Those are your claims. Back them up. If I were to have made such a claim, I would have no problem citing specifically why it is that I was being forced to lay off employees. I didn't make that claim. You did. And you and I know that your story is total B.S. from start to finish.

"I actually am laying 38 people off by the end of the year to help bolster my financial position in 2013 and beyond and setting up for retirement before I shut the doors."

Ah...now you're going to backtrack because you cannot offer a worthy response. How typical.

"Most just happened to vote for Hussein Obama. it is an amazing coincidence."

It surely must be. What's amazing is that you are able, as an alleged employer, to be in any position to know with any amount of certainty, that these alleged 38 people actually cast their votes for President Obama.

(To be continued)

November 10, 2012 at 12:33 a.m.
alprova said...

(cont.)

"My purpose for starting this business 33 years ago was not to employ people. My purpose was to make a living and through my hard work and wise business decisions it has paid off. Because of these wise business decisions I ended up creating jobs and hiring employees. But now because of the negative business climate brought on by Hussein Obama and his policies which are directed at my specific industry I have decided to shut the doors in 1 to 2 years with downsizing beginning after Thanksgiving of this year."

What policies? What industry? Unless you own a coal mine, I can't think of another industry on this planet that the President has ever even spoke out against. And even then, the President, himself, personally, has not instituted one regulation on the coal industry.

joneses, you are lying through your fingers.

"I will be handing out their "Call Obama" slips over the next 4 weeks."

Do you want to know the reason why I know you are a fraud? Because no man in business, especially one who claims to be "wise", even located in a state where you can walk up to an employee and fire them for being ugly, would dare be stupid enough to hand so much as one employee a "call Obama" slip. They sure wouldn't hand slips with those words to 38 people.

Because in that same state where an employer can fire without cause, courts will entertain lawsuits filed against someone for practically any reason under the Sun.

38 people with "call Obama" slips in their hands may not be able to sue for being laid-off, but I'd be willing to bet you that if these 38 imaginary people were to take the stand in front of a jury, and testify that they suffered emotional distress at being fired in such a manner, that an employer might be parted with some of his stashed cash with the pounding of a gavel.

You're not in business. You're in no position to determine the fate of any employee. You're not even smart enough to conjure up a believable story.

But you be sure to stick to it. That's what people like you do when cornered.

November 10, 2012 at 12:33 a.m.
delmar said...

To limric; I bet Matt Taibbi would be a good carpenter because he sure nailed it.

If I may make a small plea,,, PLEASE QUIT FEEDING THE TROLLS! Thank you and have a nice day.

November 10, 2012 at 8:12 a.m.
cmon_man said...

its not necessarily the news sources (except Fox) of these stories which are biased it is the crying traitors the stories are about who call themselves "business men". They spew this garbage just because they can't deal with the fact their candidate lost with any amount of maturity.

November 10, 2012 at 8:27 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “Misleading and disengenous is allowing the debt to continue unchecked and to not allow the temporary tax rates expire.

Who is saying the debt should go unchecked, Harp3339? I haven’t heard anyone proposing this. Needless to say, there is strong disagreement involving the expiration of the Bush Tax cuts. President Obama says he’s got a pen and ready to sign a bill to extend the Bush tax cuts on incomes under $250,000. The Republicans on the other hand are still pushing their same old position – eliminate some loopholes in exchange for a reduction in tax rates.

Harp3339 said: “I did not support going into Iraq when we did but I do not accept your contention it was for reasons other than Bush and people in congress of both parties did believe there were biological weapons of mass destruction.”

I believe you've intentionally placed your head in the sand on this issue, Harp3339. Granted, there were some people in Congress that believed there were WMDs and a connection between 9/11, Al-Queda, and Iraq, but it has become clear this was not the case with high-ranking officials in the Bush/Cheney administration, starting with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

Harp3339 said: France is using your weapon of choice for destruction, a 75% tax rate is their weapon of mass destruction against some in that country.

My weapon of choice? Please, Harp3339. Clearly, reality shows the U.S. has a lot more in common with one of those Banana Republics in South America than France:

“According to the Central Intelligence Agency . . . income distribution in the United States is more unequal than in Guyana, Nicaragua, and Venezuela, and roughly on par with Uruguay, Argentina, and Ecuador. . . Economically speaking, the richest nation on earth is starting to resemble a banana republic. The main difference is that the United States is big enough to maintain geographic distance between the villa-dweller and the beggar. . .

But income inequality is a topic of huge importance to American society and therefore a subject of large and growing interest to a host of economists. . . these experts agree that the country's growing income inequality is deeply worrying. Even Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve Board chairman and onetime Ayn Rand acolyte, has registered concern. "This is not the type of thing which a democratic society—a capitalist democratic society—can really accept without addressing," Greenspan said in 2005.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_great_divergence/features/2010/the_united_states_of_inequality/introducing_the_great_divergence.html

November 10, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
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