published Sunday, November 11th, 2012

2012 Election

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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miraweb said...

Bravo! Well done, sir!

November 11, 2012 at 12:03 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

HILARIOUS! I think Turd Blossom has some explaining to do to his high roller donors.

November 11, 2012 at 12:18 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Still awaiting the great recovery, this is the USA. (Hint: see how Warren Harding did it.)

November 11, 2012 at 12:20 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Still awaiting the transparency.

November 11, 2012 at 12:47 a.m.
miraweb said...

"He has become total spin, including spinning himself."

Republican strategist on Karl Rove

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/11/08/whither-karl-rove/

November 11, 2012 at 12:54 a.m.
miraweb said...

Rove should retire to a Texas ranch, where he can raise and sell actual bull.

Conservative Columnist Deroy Murdock

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/opinion/x1272755530/Murdock-Bewildered-by-Obamas-re-election

November 11, 2012 at 1:09 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

YIKES

Lucy (as Meagan Kelly): Were you wrong on every one of your swing state predictions because you make up lies that fit your twisted narrative? Maybe you could start using real numbers and real arithmetic instead of that math you do as a republican to make yourself feel better?

Charley (as Karl Rove): Good grief, can I borrow $350 million? And no, that's not a fake number.

November 11, 2012 at 1:11 a.m.
miraweb said...

A Farewell to the "Southern Strategy"

Republican operatives have used some form of the race-dividing Southern Strategy since Barry Goldwater’s team invented it in the 1960s. That’s nearly 50 years of race baiting aimed at under-educated, white rednecks.

The Southern Strategy tapped into the ludicrous belief that black people are dumber, lazier and more venal than white men. It helped secure victories for Nixon, Reagan, and George Bush Sr. by fomenting the view that white people needed to band together to keep black people from stealing the national cookie jar.

But it fell entirely flat this time. Apparently, you can call the President a Muslim-Socialist-Kenyan-Anti-colonial-Black-Nationalist-Terrorist-food-stamp-lover who worships at the feet of his Southern Baptist, Anarchist Pastor.

But you can no longer expect to be taken seriously by a large proportion of voters when you do.

Columnist Jimmy Zuma

http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/opinion/report/110812_dyingmemes/something-died-election-day/

November 11, 2012 at 1:18 a.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "Still awaiting the great recovery, this is the USA. (Hint: see how Warren Harding did it.)"

Warren Harding's Presidency was marred horribly when he rewarded friends and political contributors, known as the "Ohio Gang," with financially powerful positions.

Scandals and corruption, including the notorious Teapot Dome scandal, was the man's legacy. One member of his own cabinet and several of his appointees were tried, convicted, and sent to prison for bribery or defrauding the Federal Government.

That aside, his decision to utilize Keynesian economics worked very briefly, but by the time he died while in office, the start of two back-to-back recessions followed the one he had attempted to correct, then six years later, the Great Depression hit.

Perhaps you meant to bring up a better example.

I'm in no position to know very much about Warren G. Harding, as I wasn't even a gleam in my Father's eye when he was alive and President, but the history books are very reluctant to praise him and his Presidency.

Clearly, methods used to deal with depressed economies that worked a hundred years ago are not feasible today. Everything is different.

The nation is $16 trillion in debt. Any thought that cutting tax rates from where they exist today, is nothing short of pure madness. Compared to the tax rates that existed in 1920, the rich of today have it made.

People pining for nostalgia really need to look back at the tax rates of the past, to understand just how good they have it today.

The filthy rich in this nation are spoiled rotten and yet they want to keep more.

This is why nobody truly believes in the hype that the Tea-Partiers are shoveling anymore. They talk a good game, but have yet to deliver a sensible solution to the debt problem.

"Cutting taxes will increase revenue."

"Cutting taxes will allow job creators to create jobs."

"Cutting taxes will stimulate the economy."

Well...taxes have been at the lowest point for the rich now for a decade, and this nation has experienced the worst depression since the Great Depression, before and after the worst of the depression, job growth has been very slow, revenue flow into the Gov't has not increased until recently, and economic recovery has been pitifully slow.

It's time for a new approach and to abandon supply-side theories of economic stimulus that are no longer working.

November 11, 2012 at 1:45 a.m.
fairmon said...

Why not let the "temporary" rates be temporary? Stop extending the expiration date. Set the rates wherever they need to be while simplifying the tax codes. It is ridiculous that any individual has to pay a CPA, accountant or some service to complete their tax forms. Anyone with an income should be able to file on a post card.

Over time congress has manipulated and complicated the tax codes to the point a printed copy would be about 4ft high. Congress has used the tax system to show favor and buy votes under the guise of improving the economy for years.

Rising energy, food and health care cost are the cruelest tax for those with lower incomes. These essentials take a much higher percent of disposable income from lower incomes than from those with incomes above average. The hidden cost due to taxes, fees and other congressional legislated cost have a detrimental impact on the economy resulting from reduced demand due to the tax burden on the majority. The wealthy and super wealthy are able to reduce their taxes with deductions, reductions, credits, non-taxable investments etc. that are of no benefit to the middle and lower income citizens.

What would the down side be of abolishing all exceptions, including earned income credits, and indexing rates beginning with those at 1.5X the poverty level at a low rate up to 50% of annual personal income over $1 million?

November 11, 2012 at 4 a.m.
delmar said...

Will Gov. Christie thumb his nose at the Koch bros.?

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/chris-christie-koch-brothers-obamacare

November 11, 2012 at 7:43 a.m.
ricardo said...

Karl Rove's reputation as a kingmaker is pretty much debunked now. He is still shellshocked and in denial that he could have been so wrong.

November 11, 2012 at 8:33 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

Oh...I get it! Great cartoon...'Fox' is waiting on the “fiscal cliff” to arrive when those series of tax breaks set to expire Dec. 31 happens and those new taxes starting in January related to federal health care reform get here. Good one Clay! :0(

November 11, 2012 at 9:04 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: The "southern strategy" is dead. But the Dems (with a big assist fromt the MSM) perfected the bogus Republican "war on women", "war on hispanics", war on "clean water", "war on success", "war on religion" and "war on independence". It was a broad front, but the battle was successfully waged by the Chicago Thugs. Congratulations. Wonder why we're divided?

November 11, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
fairmon said...

Lucy promised to hold the football for Charile Brown to kick but every time she let it go and his mighty kick flipped him on his rear.

Oh me...miraweb credits women for BHO's win, should we expect to be flipped to our back instead of seeing the promised kick in the economy?

November 11, 2012 at 9:30 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

harp: On our backs...just where they want us.

November 11, 2012 at 9:37 a.m.
miraweb said...

I will admit that in politics if you do something really stupid, the other party will be happy to watch you fall off the edge with some glee and maybe a small nudge.

This isn't the boy scouts, you know.

We've all had Thanksgiving with dear demented Grandma where things got said that were horribly offensive, embarrasing, and just plain wrong.

The problem was the Republican debates (and many campaigns) were a grand national "Thanksgiving Dinner" with jumbo helpings of crazy and gravy.

November 11, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
miraweb said...

I do think the media does own a slice of the humble pie. If you drive any message through Rush Limbaugh, RedState, and Sarah Palin there is a pretty high chance a little crazy is going to stick to it.

People won't pay any more attention than they do to Our Francis if you do that all the time.

November 11, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
TennesseeEd said...

MY LETTER TO CHATTANOOGA TIMES EDITOR ABOUT SUNDAY'S HEADLINES : RED RULES

Sunday, November 11, 2012

Dear Editor:

I had to laugh-out-loud at the headlines in today's Sunday Chattanooga Times : "RED RULES". I was expecting something like this from the Chattanooga Republicans, after the devastating defeat of their Republican favorite Romney on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 and the continued GOP LOSS of national SENATE CONTROL !!!

President Obama won re-election by a LANDSLIDE with 330 electoral votes, including all the swing states (except one, NC), in addition to winning 51% of the popular vote. I think that speaks for itself. Your headline story also failed to include the fact that when the BIG BOLD Republican controlled House makes their moves to support the WEALTHY and degrade, harass, demean and steal rights from the minority groups of the USA,, they will run into that tall and thick SENATE WALL which will DEFEAT EVERY PIECE OF LEGISLATION these corrupt, conservative and self righteous idiots try to pass off as American.

I guess, since your newspaper is Republican, you felt required to make something good out of this election for the dying Republican party, by placing this OLD story of no interest on the front page as headlines.
The IMPORTANT FACT STILL REMAINS, however; On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, the Republican Party/GOP LOST, BIG TIME. This will set the wheels in motion for future elections and your headlines may soon be turned around to once again declare Tennessee.....A BLUE STATE !!!

What a wonderful day, November 6, 2012 was this year !!!

Sincerely, TennesseeEd

November 11, 2012 at 10:09 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ED: The election was a snapshot in time. Don't be so high and mighty talking about the "corrupt" conservative idiots. If you know anything about politics, you know that corruption/politics was born and perfected in Chicago. Wise up, Ed.

November 11, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
GameOn said...

I guess TennesseeED missed the part about the Republican Super Majority in State Government.

November 11, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
degage said...

All you libs are so proud, like MSNBC of how nasty you can get. MSNBC is the worst media as far as nastiness is concerned. Fox at least has the left on their programs quite often, but you wouldn't know because you only parrot what MSNBC says. Yes I do flip to MSNBC to see how they are reporting on things like Benghazi. Not much about anything important.They don't want all their listeners to know what is going on cause it might make your god, Obama, look bad. We are going to sit back and see just how many promises Obama breaks.More than likely all of them, one thing for sure is he will break the "i'm going to work with the other side". He won't and you know it. He will think he is working with them if they bow down and kiss his a--, it's his way or the highway and that is not working together for the good of the people.

November 11, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
ricardo said...

Don't be so hasty there, degage. MSNBC commentators voiced some of the harshest criticism against Obama's first debate performance. Here is Chris Matthews on debate night:

November 11, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
ricardo said...

You conservatards are so funny. You never fully endorsed Mitt Romney for president. When your wingnuts got eliminated in the primaries (Herman Cain, really??), and you were left with Romney, you had to force yourself to fall in love with this moderate clown. Last Tuesday, you had to force yourself to get out of bed and vote for the (R), not someone you really believed in.

November 11, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

HEY ED, When you stop laughing you should read the article. TN ( not the federal government) legislature went red to the tune of 70 of 99 state house and 26 of 33 in the state senate. In case you missed it that is a gain of 6 republicans to the house and 6 to the senate. Add in the Gov and the republicans have complete control of the TN legislature. That is as red as red gets my friend. Just to drive home the point , did you miss the part where a dem could not beat a sleazy hypocrite doc who sleeps with his patients. now that is no laughing matter. To me it shows how much the extreme has replaced the norm but I'm just one vote. Now don't think I'm questioning your assesment of the national landscape I just find it amusing that you would rant on for three paraghaphs demeaning an article that is fact based and an acurate depiction of the state of our State. In the future if you want to gloat about the irrelavence of the Republican party and it's attemped suicide try not to tie it to an article concerning the strangle hold that party has at the State and local level.

November 11, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

UnderthedeskGate, BenghaziGate.....About to blow up in the Community Organizer's face. MSM and Dept of Misinformation can't stop it.

November 11, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
ricardo said...

Poor Petraeus will be the fall guy for both scandals. What a sad end to a brilliant military career.

November 11, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

It is hard for me to figure out what all the excitement is really about. The republicans have done thier best to upset every non WASP in this country while the democrates have accepted any and all newcommers to the political landscape. Then the republicans parade every loon they could scape up in the primaries and championed the suspention of reality from economic theory to basic sience throughout the campain and well what do you expect? I hope as more young people join the world polotic they look beyond the democratic yes to everyone and everything mentallity and also reject the religios rights abduction of the grand ol party and take a close look at the libratarian positions. Fisically consevrative and socially liberal. It seem to be the middle ground a polorized electorate is clamoring for.

November 11, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Those damn democrats used wedge issues, once again, to keep control, Jack_! Guns, no, wait... abortion, no, wait... racial division, no, wait... entitlements, no, wait... church/state, no, wait... Hell, Jack_, I guess the majority is just finally starting to figure you conservatives out.

What a hilarious cartoon, today! I've yet to You Tube all the video of Karl's meltdown, but I did see the clip pertaining to Rove's "Feel Good Math." It was like the "man behind the curtain" scene from the Wizard of Oz, except the wizard didn't, in this case, turn out to be benevolent. Maybe he's just 'Rove-a-doping' until '16!
LTaO

November 11, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.

AndrewLohr, would that be taking advantage of a pointless but costly war that devastated much of Europe, running a campaign based on personal likability while deficit on purpose, letting corruption set into government, denying bonus pay to military veterans, and dying suddenly in San Francisco?

Or perhaps it was his military spending reduction policy, his investment in national transportation infrastructure, and child welfare laws?

It would help if you would articulate your reasons, because I surely don't want to inflict a war upon Europe just to get our economy back up.

degage, having a putative liberal on the program who cannot effectively articulate actual left-wing positions does not do Fox News any credit. It actually discredits them, as does your citing that as somehow showing Fox New's virtue. You should read some of the criticism of Alan Colmes's time there to see why.

Or you can continue to believe the puffery, while expecting us to ignore how often Conservative's express the idea that "I certainly think bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view." or other such statements.

C'mon, do you think we don't notice what right-wingers say and do?

DJHBRAINERD, I think TennesseeED was referring to the focus on this state while ignoring the nation, in a sense of somebody who got a real drubbing tries to make it look like they really won something important.

Jack_Dennis, keep attacking Chicago, but it's too bad that said place was once the core of the Republican party, which means you're basically saying that political corruption is a GOP invention.

Not that anybody with any sense thinks that, we'd have to be ignorant of the Roman Senate.

Ok, so you probably are, but that's not true of the rest of us.

November 11, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
degage said...

Really ricardo,and just how do you know what I think or did think. I voted for Romney in the 2008 primaries and in the 2012 primaries, So don't pretend you know anything about what I am thinking right now. Yes I do wish he had won but he didn't so I will have to put up with Obama and his socialist agenda.I even have to put up with your nasty remarks, but then I'm a senior citizen and hopefully he doesn't compleatly destroy this country before I go to the great beyond and I leave you to pay the enormous bill he is going rack up. It will take much more than taxing the rich to pay down the debt and the debt he is going to add to it the next 4 yrs.

November 11, 2012 at 11:44 a.m.
joneses said...

Because this fool Clay Bennett is against Fox News that means Fox News is telling the truth about the liberal, marxist, dummycrat agenda. Does not one find it funny that the dummycrat candidates never run on their true agenda and the liberal propaganda news media, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, ABC and others never report the true liberal agenda? Would obastard have been elected the first time if he said he was going to add 6 trillion dollars to the debt, socialize healthcare, support gay marriage, keep the unemployment rate above 8%, raise taxes on everyone, rob 716 billion dollars from Medicare, increase dependency on government and other failures? The only reason obastard was elected as he promised people free stuff and basically spread the rule that one should not have to work for a living. The dummycrats are for complete government control of every aspect of everyones lives. Ask any dummycrat and if they are being honest they will say they are for big government but they have not the courage to say this when campaigning. You are being lied to and it is ashamed so many people in this country know more bout who Snooky is screwing that they do about the true dummycrat, liberal, marxist agenda. You are fools and you know who you are.

November 11, 2012 at 11:48 a.m.
joneses said...

One reason why obastard supporters are stupid including this fool Clay Bennett

Freedom of Speech: Our First Amendment right of freedom of speech includes speech that may cause anger, disgust, or disagreement. Liberals pretend that when they say things against the government, the establishment, for example, that they are exercising their right to free speech, and they are. But ask them if Fox News should be thrown off the air and listen to what they say. Not all of them, of course, just the ones who have already been born and are still changing oxygen into carbon dioxide. If you don't believe that, go to Youtube and see the videos on college campuses that ask the question about this subject, and also about books by conservatives like Bill O'Reilly. If it were up to liberals, only they would have freedom of speech.

November 11, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: Keep attacking. Too bad you're too steeped in leftist ideology to see other points of view. Total follower. You would have fit in perfectly in Guyana. Just a sip will do.

November 11, 2012 at 11:55 a.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

Point noted HAPPY, but my long winded response could be summed up as , The Timesfreepress is a local paper if you want to focus on national results subcribe to Newsweek or USA Today. But I got off subject due to the in your face wording of Mr ED's responce. But did you catch those numbers . Super majorities in both chambers the Gov. both senators and a majority of us reps? Seems like the voters in TN are marching lockstep with the Republicans straight into political irrelavence. I mean with all the control at the state level there is no counter balance to thier power. And with the gerrymandered districts there is no end in sight.

November 11, 2012 at 11:58 a.m.

joneses, because you are for Fox News, that means they are the hotbed of lies, fraud and outright fantasy.

Thanks, I had some doubts.

At least the rest of the Network is fine.

BTW, your hypocisy is hilarious, we know you'd love to run and smash MSNBC's satellite trucks if you thought you could get away with it.

degage, wow, so you bought Romney's lies 4 years ago too? My condolences. BTW, his plan was going to increase the debt to 21 trillion by the end of his term. A trillion more than Obama's.

Ouch.

But go ahead, say you support taxing the middle class, that's the one thing Romney couldn't admit.

DJHBRAINERD, well, as I believe I said in response to that editorial, Tennessee has long been a one-party state. We were just a bit fooled due to the transition from the label they were using.

I bet if we checked party registrations, more than half of the current "Republicans" were once "Democrats" till they finally got shown the door for their racism and bigotry.

But yeah, can you imagine how much hysteria we'd have if there were actual proportional-based representation in this state? Or any other, for that matter. How dare they take away my entirely imaginary electoral district!

November 11, 2012 at 11:59 a.m.
moonpie said...

Fox analysis's frequently talk about how the "main stream" media is wrong and they seem to hold themselves up as a voice of reason. The only people I knew who thought Romney was going to win are all big Fox devotees.

However....

This is from a source which summarized the major news outlet predictions for the elections. There were two biggest outliers:

Dick Morris, FoxNews: Romney 325, Obama 213. ”It will be the biggest surprise in recent American political history,” Morris said. “It will rekindle the whole question on why the media played this race as a nailbiter where in fact Romney’s going to win by quite a bit.”

Jim Cramer, CNBC: Obama 440, Romney 98. Here’s a tweet from Cramer: “No one is going to recall the guy who picks Obama by 10 electorals if it turns out to be 150 margin. Believe me.”

I don't know if Cramer was serious, but it did have a sense of humor.

November 11, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
moonpie said...

Fox analysts frequently talk about how the "main stream" media is wrong and they seem to hold themselves up as a voice of reason. The only people I knew who thought Romney was going to win are all big Fox devotees.

However....

This is from a source which summarized the major news outlet predictions for the elections. There were two biggest outliers:

Dick Morris, FoxNews: Romney 325, Obama 213. ”It will be the biggest surprise in recent American political history,” Morris said. “It will rekindle the whole question on why the media played this race as a nailbiter where in fact Romney’s going to win by quite a bit.”

Jim Cramer, CNBC: Obama 440, Romney 98. Here’s a tweet from Cramer: “No one is going to recall the guy who picks Obama by 10 electorals if it turns out to be 150 margin. Believe me.”

I don't know if Cramer was serious, but it did have a sense of humor.

November 11, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
moonpie said...

Weird. Correct a typo and it posts twice....

November 11, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "dude_: Keep attacking. Too bad you're too steeped in leftist ideology to see other points of view. Total follower. You would have fit in perfectly in Guyana. Just a sip will do."

Would you like to see your political opponents die, Jack_? Is that what just crept out of that putrid, moldy mind of yours? Is that one of the other points of view we should listen to? You're as bad a loser as you are a thinker!

November 11, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.
joneses said...

happywithbeingstupid

Name one thing Fox news has said that was a lie and who said it? Make sure it was a lie and not a mistake. There are differences you know. You do not like Fox News because they report everything even the failures of obastard but you think it is unfair to hold obastard and your marxist dummycrat politicians accountable because you actually think they know what is best for you. I can tell you a lie Wolf Blitzer told. I can show you much your liberal news networks have covered up to protect obastard. Wolf Blitzer said, just like Harry Reid said, that if Ryans Medicare bill passes there will be thousands of seniors out on the streets. That is a bald face irresponsible lie that you support. You also support Harry Reid saying the same thing. You also support Nancy Peloisi saying thousands of children will die. Are you so stupid to not recognize what you support is flat out lies and scare tactics? Obviously you are a deranged psychopath by thinking these comments by the very people you support are healthy. The problem with fools like you is you think freedom of speech is only freedom of speech if it is in line with the liberal agenda of complete government control of all our lives. You are a sick bastard and should seek help. Another example of your sickness is your whole life is sitting on your fat ass spreading lies on this message board. Again you are a sick bastard. I am out of here as I am going to enjoy life today versus conversing with fools like you.

November 11, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
ricardo said...

Obviously, the propaganda machine spewed out by Fox News, Rush Limbo, and the rest of the talk radio conservatard bunch did not gain any traction in this election. Their views represent a shrinking minority in the American electorate, as evidenced by the last two elections.

November 11, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.

joneses, why, when you never specified one thing NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, ABC actually did?

You made accusations, but never backed them up.

OTOH, I've called out your lies, before, and since I'm associating Fox News with you as their defender, well, I refer you to all the times you've been shown for a liar and fraud before.

Though honestly, you are hilarious. "Another example of your sickness is your whole life is sitting on your fat ass spreading lies on this message board." ? C'mon joneses, everybody can tell how often you post here.

There's a deranged person here, and it's you. The only way everything you post here would make any sense is if you're actually posting to make conservative right-wingers look bad.

You can admit it if that's your reason. I'll even give you a way to do it in secret: Just reply to this post with any of your insult ridden posts.

If you reply with a civil and polite response, I'll take that as a denial.

Let's see which you pick.

November 11, 2012 at 12:41 p.m.
miraweb said...

Rove Ready To Fight The Tea Party

On a recent conference call with his mega-donors — which one participant called "very businesslike" — Rove was analytical rather than apologetic. While acknowleding mistakes were made — including sitting by while Tea Party extremists beat out more electable GOP establishment figures in the Republican primaries — Rove believes things could've been unimaginably worse for Republicans had he not been there to corral together disaffected billionaires and their spare change.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/rove-calls-2012-a-bad-year-for-super-pacs.html?mid=google

Where until now it battled only in general elections and against Democrats, Crossroads is considering whether to start picking sides in Republican primaries. The idea would be to boost the candidate it deems most electable and avoid nominating the kind of flawed and extreme ones who cost the party what should otherwise have been easy Senate wins in Florida, Missouri and Indiana.

That, however, could put Crossroads at odds with the tea party and other groups that devote their energies to promoting the most ideologically pure contenders.

Crossroads also is likely to invest more deeply in organizations such as the Republican State Leadership Committee, which has been trying to build a more appealing GOP farm team by, among other things, recruiting Hispanic candidates to run for state-level office.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/karl-rove-and-his-super-pac-vow-to-press-on/2012/11/10/19ed28ea-2a96-11e2-b4e0-346287b7e56c_print.html

November 11, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: Forgot to add. And a bit of a punk.

November 11, 2012 at 1:43 p.m.
fairmon said...

Lucy promised to hold the football for Charile Brown to kick but every time she let it go and his mighty kick flipped him on his rear.

Oh me...miraweb credits women for BHO's win, should we expect to be flipped to our back instead of seeing the promised kick in the economy?

Jack_Dennis said...

harp: On our backs...just where they want us.

miraweb.....is that right? Do you like being on top?

November 11, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.
fairmon said...

Men better practice saying yes maam, no maam, thank you maam will there be anything else maam etc. Both parties may trot out female candidates in 2016. That is when I may abandon the libertarian party and select one of them to get behind.

November 11, 2012 at 2:36 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Palin on Fox News: Ambassador Stevens was sodomized and then killed during the Benghazi attack. This was a lie (not a mistake) and it was NEVER corrected to my knowledge. I caught that on the one time in two weeks I logged onto Fox news. Not a good record.

Keep up the good work, Francis. Flagged three of your comments in 2 minutes.

November 11, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
ricardo said...

harp3339 said..."Men better practice saying yes maam, no maam, thank you maam will there be anything else maam etc. Both parties may trot out female candidates in 2016. That is when I may abandon the libertarian party and select one of them to get behind."

Seriously, harp? Even Michele Bachmann?

November 11, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I hardly care what you think about it tu. This is between me and Francis.

As a matter of fact, I don't really care what he thinks either.

November 11, 2012 at 2:50 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_: Yeah, you forgot to add... like Rove did! LOL You flabby old degenerate. I was gonna mention that you went personal, but held off. You're just a stupid old man with his head up his past. Saw a bunch of you while driving through a neighboring state yesterday, wearing camouflage while checking the mailbox.

November 11, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.
fairmon said...

ricardo said...

Seriously, harp? Even Michele Bachmann?

No, no, no. She has bad headaches, probably contagious, we may all become afflicted.

November 11, 2012 at 3:07 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: Yeah, punk fits.

November 11, 2012 at 3:21 p.m.
dude_abides said...

yes, tu_, I am nonplussed! I'll take a pass on the hankie, however, because that, too, is a diseased relic from the past. We need to practice hygiene inside and outside the White House!

November 11, 2012 at 3:23 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_, your last name is longer than most of the words you use, but those (4 letter) words are of appropriate length for the depth of your delving.

November 11, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.
miraweb said...

Tea Party Opts for Civil War with GOP

Some conservatives warned colleagues that they risked annihilation by refusing to change and appeal to the women, younger and ethnically-diverse voters who had stood by Barack Obama since 2008.

Yet many supporters of the Tea Party movement – whose agenda was rebuked across the US – claimed Mitt Romney had actually not been conservative enough, vowing to drive the party further to the Right.

Mr Erickson also led a prompt Right-wing dismissal of suggestions that the Republicans should shift to the centre on economic or other social issues, saying instead that Mr Romney had been "pathetic at defining a real, Right-of-centre alternative" to Mr Obama.

"Compromise? Like hell," he said. "We're going to keep fighting The next two years will set the vision of a more populist oriented conservatism".

Chris Barron, a Republican consultant who founded the GOProud group for gay conservatives, said: "Anyone who says Romney lost because he wasn't 'conservative' enough on social issues is part of the problem not the solution".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9662277/Republicans-descend-into-civil-war-as-Tea-Party-movement-vows-to-drive-party-further-to-the-right.html

November 11, 2012 at 5:40 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: Didn't realize you are hung up on big words. Does you bff whisper big dirty words to you when you're, you know, uh, like in the throes of passion? Instead of the obligatory ciggy, you and the bff should watch O'Reilly's "word of the day". Perfect for your post-coital bliss.

November 11, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.
miraweb said...

Are you guys, like, 12? Seriously?

November 11, 2012 at 5:46 p.m.
ricardo said...

If the Repube party keeps going further and further to the right for the 2016 election, then even Michael Dukakis could win.

November 11, 2012 at 6:20 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jeez, the more video I see of Rove losing it, the scarier it is that he is actually in a position to wield power.

“On the Republican side, this was the worst cycle ever for polling and there’s nothing that even comes close to it,” said GOP strategist Curt Anderson, who helms the media and polling firm OnMessage. “It was a colossal disaster and it wasn’t confined to the presidential campaign.”

"Wednesday, the political direct-mail pioneer Richard Viguerie gathered a group of disenchanted conservatives for a news conference in Washington. Calling Romney's loss "the death rattle" of the GOP, Viguerie, chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, said, "The battle to take over the Republican Party begins today."

I personally believe the Tea Party should take a look at their leaders and figure out why they didn't give the GOP more trouble. I think the Tea Party would benefit from inside strife. I think a 5 year 'turn themselves inside out' plan would help to burnish their image and hone their message. This would be the perfect time for strong conservative voices to break out and demand a bigger voice in the Tea Party's gargantuan task of taking the GOP by the throat and having their way. If not, perhaps it would be wiser to split from them and form the Nas-T Party, or the Green Tea Party (who would be so very conservative that they'd actually involve conservation in their agenda!), That's the ticket! "The only way to unify ourselves is to divide and conquer ourselves first! Hell, I don't even like myself!" lofl

November 11, 2012 at 6:38 p.m.
ricardo said...

Repubes are going to cave in to Obama:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/11/democrats-republicans-seem-more-ready-to-compromise-on-deficit-deal/

Elections have consequences, you crazy wingnuts. This is what happens when conservatards get a shellacking.

November 11, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_, I think I'll just let your last post speak for itself. I couldn't do any more harm to you than what you spewed out. Sheesh.

November 11, 2012 at 6:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Tu_quoque honey, it was wonderful of you to rush to the rescue of Warren G Harding's memory by cutting a pasting that synopsis of the magic wand he waved in 1920 that magically transformed a faltering economy.

The problem is when you compare our economy of today to that which existed back then, the differences are striking.

Practically everyone in this nation back then worked in jobs related to manufacturing. Less than half of this nation does today.

There was much to build, thus a massive need for carpenters. Today, this nation is filled with buildings and strip malls, long ago abandoned by failed businesses.

And the fact remains that taxes have been low for a decade, and yet there is little to no evidence that it has increased the revenue into the Gov't or caused all these magical job creators to create jobs.

The only strategy that will work, and it will take time, is to boost the income into the pockets of people who will spend it and boost this economy.

A booming middle class must be returned to this nation.

November 11, 2012 at 6:51 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: good choice, punk.

November 11, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.
BobMKE said...

I heard that these t-shirts are selling like hot cakes. (Ineptocracy_definition_t_shirt)

http://www.zazzle.com/ineptocracy_definition_t_shirt-235129279586191807

November 11, 2012 at 7:05 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BOB: Anyway to get one free, like gubmint cheese?

November 11, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
ricardo said...

If you voted for Romney, you get one of these for free:

http://www.spreadshirt.com/back-to-back-presidential-losers-t-shir-C3376A10737140

November 11, 2012 at 7:31 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_, Can't leave it be can you, you old fat bastard. People like you make me sick. I bet your father was a fat bastard, too, huh?

November 11, 2012 at 7:54 p.m.

The GOP needs a credible conservative who is more moderate on immigration. a few of them are waiting in the wings. Romney was the Charlie Browniest in a long string of Charlie Browns.

November 11, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_ nice comment. how old are you?

November 11, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Just the right age to know better than to be intimidated by a 'man' who cant even reach his shoes, you mental midget. Get bent, has been.

November 11, 2012 at 8:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

The way forward for the Teabaggers:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e64_1352413133

November 11, 2012 at 8:30 p.m.
dude_abides said...

WARNING! Irate, though typical, conservative woman speaks her mind:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f3_1352328148

November 11, 2012 at 9:19 p.m.
ricardo said...

dude_abides said..."WARNING! Irate, though typical, conservative woman speaks her mind"

LOL, let's see how high her blood pressure goes over the next four years. Maybe 332 over 206?

November 11, 2012 at 9:42 p.m.
ricardo said...
November 11, 2012 at 10:10 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: hahahaha you funny, marxist boy.

November 11, 2012 at 10:16 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_: haha you feeble, phlebitic fascist.

November 11, 2012 at 10:51 p.m.
dude_abides said...

ricardo, there'll probably be hell to pay when Mitt hooks back up with Bain and wreaks havoc upon the democratic strongholds that didn't worship at his holy feet. We'll have to go through Salt Lake City to get a Philly cheese steak.

November 11, 2012 at 11:01 p.m.
alprova said...

Tu_qyoque wrote: "AlBaby honey, you’re always trying to divert the debate but it only makes you look more the fool."

Is that so?

"I in no way defended Harding but was posting the corrections to your earlier post."

Is that what you did? Well let's see about that...

"If you will go back and read, what you posted and then my response, you will see the errors you made."

No errors. Every word I wrote was correct.

"To give you one to start with you should note what the top marginal rate was then, after he lowered it, as compared to your claim of what it was."

Maybe you need to go back and read what I wrote. I referred to the tax rates of 1920. You spent time attempting to refute my post with references to tax rate cuts that began in 1922.

Further, I never stated that Keynesian economics did not work way back then. The fact is that the modern day Keynesian economic plan, known as the Bush tax cuts which began in 2001, has not worked at all. Gov't revenue is down. Unemployment has remained stagnant. The economy has been very slow to recover. And worst of all, the national debt is totally out of control.

Everything is different now from what it was 92 years ago. There are two very big differences to note. First, there is no astronomical top tax rate to cut. That top tax rate is less than half of what it was in 1920.

The second and most important difference is that this nation is $16 trillion in debt. In 1920, the national debt stood at $2.67 billion, or $33.2 billion in today's dollars.

The money needed to pay down the debt has to come from somewhere and it needed to start coming in about thirty years ago.

"Really, if you’re going to use diversion as a debating technique you should learn how its done effectively and not so obvious."

Well darling, while I love to debate, you have no presented yourself as a person who knows a thing about debating, much less how to get along with your fellow human beings. I don't know...maybe you were shell shocked while you were in the Middle East. Maybe you're just an arrogant, self-loathing beotch with a huge personality disorder.

Whatever your particular problem(s), you'll have to forgive me if I pay little to no attention to anything you post.

And as usual, you have once again failed to pay attention to what was right in front of you. You fired up that keyboard, thinking you had me by the gonads, and shot yourself in the foot again.

One day, little lady, you're gonna learn that I'm a bit more on top of my game than you believe me to be.

What's that you like to post all the time?

LMFAO

November 11, 2012 at 11:52 p.m.

whats_wrong_with_the_world, Romney a Charlie Brown? Maybe if you confuse why Charlie Brown is Wishy-wishy with out thinking about how Romney is an etch-a-sketch.

If we're coming up with comic strip characters, Dogbert would be a more pertinent example. Of course, I'm sure he'd prefer to be idolized as Daddy Warbucks.

November 12, 2012 at 12:23 a.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Hunker down Tea Party. The "lieberal demoncrats" are hatching an insidious plan. They want to fill your noggin with doubt about the information being dispensed by the "talent" at Fox News. If it were up to them, you tea partiers would cease and desist treating every bit of noise Dick Morris and Sean Hannity cock up their leg and fart out as holy writ. Some of these "Godless Commies" have even suggested looking inward as a means of self-evaluation. Bullbutter! Think with your gut. Shoot from the hip. Git-R-Done.

November 12, 2012 at 12:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

The fiscal cliff with grid lock still in play is a good thing. Both parties will be forced to seek a reconcile and address the issues of increased revenue and entitlements.

Much of the world views Americans as dumb. let's hope we didn't prove them right. Why would people vote for Obama then send their republican congressman or senator back to congress?

Electing Gary Johnson, my preference, would have been cruel and unusual punishment. A win and he would be trying to work with the crazy azz bunch in congress.

November 12, 2012 at 3:59 a.m.
fairmon said...

Should there be an amendment that requires a law degree to run for congress? A high percent already qualify although lawyers are known for being poor managers of finances but able to generate a lot of revenue. Perhaps the amendment should also allow a degree in business management to qualify a candidate. Citizenship and age are the only current criteria, in many cases it is evident that is all some have.

Let the show begin....it should be entertaining the next few weeks.

I hope Obama meant and backs up his statement that military veterans should not have to look for and fight for a job after serving to protect us.

In my opinion veterans should be taken care of and assisted in finding a good job. They should have access to the best treatment for any injuries or emotional issues plus training for and assistance in finding a good job. We owe them no less than that. Those injured so bad they cannot do a job should be provided for in a way that they have a life at least equal to those in the middle income category. There is no place for self serving selfishness when it comes to taking care of our military veterans.

November 12, 2012 at 4:27 a.m.
Ozzy87 said...

When will the Republican Party grow some testicular fortitude and kick the carnival sideshow freaks known as the tea party out? When; as a political party; you have misfits of a science experiment running as candidates, you can expect to keep losing elections. One republican who is on the Science Committee ( irony at it's finest) said that we couldn't do anything about global climate change because it was God's will. With that kind of reasoning, why do we fight forest fires when they threaten people's homes? It must be God's will for them to burn to the ground.

November 12, 2012 at 5:15 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack_Dennis said..."Mira: The "southern strategy" is dead. But the Dems (with a big assist fromt the MSM)..."

Earth to Jack - FoxNews and ClearChannel are MSM.

I find it more than a little humorous that the Fox opinionators blame the re-election of the president on all of the spinning that the "liberal MSM" did on his behalf. The "fair and balanced" approach was to do what Fox did - all spin on behalf of the challenger and forget about doing any legitimate journalism.

November 12, 2012 at 6:56 a.m.
fairmon said...

I attended meetings of the democrat and republican parties plus meetings of tea groups in TN. & NC. The similarities in behavior and attitude were obvious in the democrats and tea groups but with different extremes, both a little frightening. Republicans in both places were relatively quiet, routine and business like with their ineffectiveness being no surprise. The surprise was the absence of tea party members at the main stream republican meetings. I would like to see a more active libertarian party begin to have meetings and begin building a broader base. I think their liberal social agenda and constitutional based fiscal conservatism would attract a majority of younger people. How foolish is it for the younger to advocate borrowing, printing and taxing to support the selfish 50 and older farts that have seen the best seen by any generation of Americans?

November 12, 2012 at 6:59 a.m.
dude_abides said...

harp3339 said... "I would like to see a more active libertarian party begin to have meetings and begin building a broader base."

Absolutely! It should include African American republicans, eastern European John Birchers, and pacifist ammo hoarders. The parade could be led by environmentalists in F-350's. It could be called the Enigmatic and Confused Party. Their motto could be "Tread softly on me, I'm not a big stick!"

November 12, 2012 at 7:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

dude_abides said...

Absolutely! It should include African American republicans, eastern European John Birchers, and pacifist ammo hoarders. The parade could be led by environmentalists in F-350's. It could be called the Enigmatic and Confused Party. Their motto could be "Tread softly on me, I'm not a big stick!"

Obviously you haven't tried to understand anything beyond what CNN tells you. Some people may feel safer with a nanny state government.

November 12, 2012 at 7:41 a.m.
joneses said...

Warren Buffet said, "Buffett says his money does buy him one thing he values very much: his freedom." Like all these billionaire and wealthy dummycrats like soros, gates, obastard, reid and pelosi they think money can buy freedom. Another example of deranged, narcissist thinking. What they are saying that if you do not have money then you cannot be free. Amazing.

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/off-the-cuff/warren-buffett-213923494.html

November 12, 2012 at 7:46 a.m.
rolando said...

In the stead of this sad excuse of a so-called American editorial cartoonist who consistently avoids any patriotic or pro-American topic, I provide this from a true American, Carol Platt Liebau -- Blogger, Townhall.com :

"To all the veterans of the Armed Forces, today and every day: Thank you. Thank you for every sacrifice you and your famillies make to keep us safe and free. God bless you all.

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

                            John McCrae

unquote

Once again, from an old warhorse to those fillies and young stallions who hold our banners high and sacrifice so much for the unknowing and uncaring masses here at home [including one ungrateful Army brat here], I personally thank you, one and all.

November 12, 2012 at 8:07 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Rolando - "pro-American" is a lot broader than your very narrow and very selfish perspective.

November 12, 2012 at 8:10 a.m.
degage said...

Ozzy, the carnival sideshow freaks are the fleabagger occupy group that sh-t on police cars and rape in their tents and over dose on drugs to name just a few degenerat things they do. Your comment about republicans thinking it's gods will for houses to burn down is beyond stupid.Get a life.

November 12, 2012 at 8:23 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ozzie87: God also believe in free will, so I agree with you on the climate change and forest fire examples. That same free will also enables you to make an ass of yourself on here.

November 12, 2012 at 8:38 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "That same free will also enables you to make an ass of yourself on here."

You wrote the book on that one. Mind you, it was a short story and a quick read, but you wrote it nonetheless.

November 12, 2012 at 8:48 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

It is funny to watch the republicans talk about what they need to do to be more successful. Lots of talk about looking more like the democrats (pandering to groups) and looking more compassionate. No talk, that I have seen, about backing away the role as world policeman, cutting back on police state activities against US citizens or respecting the Constitution.

The republican establishment will never learn. If someone does not rise up and lead that party it is doomed.

November 12, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

whats_wrong_with_the_world said...

The GOP needs a credible conservative who is more moderate on immigration. a few of them are waiting in the wings

MTJ...This is a sincere question; what would a moderate position look like? I admit I have a hard time reaching a conclusion on this issue. There is certainly no one shoe fits all or easy answer.It seems the conclusion is that present laws are not good and not enforceable which is not unusual with many of our laws.

November 12, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said..."MTJ...This is a sincere question; what would a moderate position look like? I admit I have a hard time reaching a conclusion on this issue. There is certainly no one shoe fits all or easy answer."

Me. ;))

First, Harp, I think you ask a good question, but I'm not sure which of my posts caused you to ask it.

I agree that no one shoe fits all. And, not only is the answer not easy, there is no single "correct" answer. That said, I think the following are essential attributes of a moderate position: 1) a focus on seeking reasonable/responsible balance among diverse perspectives; 2) a commitment to objectivity; 3) the ability to operate with fact, distinct from fantasy; 4) the ability to negotiate interests, distinct from negotiating positions; 5) honesty.

The difficulty with being a moderate it is very difficult to hold to your principles while attempting to negotiate with people who hold extreme positions and insist that there extreme position is correct. FWIW, I think President Obama is a moderate and I think his first term "failures" demonstrate that our country is a tough environment for moderates. I think he made he made an honest effort to govern from the middle during his first two years, even though the D's controlled both houses. None of the R's would move to the middle and the extreme D's wouldn't work with him, either.

November 12, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
Ozzy87 said...

Talk about making an ass of myself. These are the people who support Gingrich, Palin, Bachmann, Akin, Santorum, Walsh and every other anti-science, anti-intellectual idiots that could be scraped off the bottom of a sewer grating. These are the hypocritical, religious zealot, resemble "Carrie"s mother schreeching people who think Catholicism and Mormonism is a cult until their unhinged choice is rejected by the general party consensus.

November 12, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
degage said...

Ozzy87 how old are you, you are either a child or an 87 yr old returning to childhood. Your intolerance is tipical of liberals.

November 12, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
delmar said...

Ozzy87 - I'm really confused at the disjointed comments to your 5:15 a.m. post, but I agree with your thinking. Not sure how some of those people get on the commissions they're on, I guess it's just one more thing that will likely never get fixed.

November 12, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ozzy: You have no idea what these people are thinking....you're blinded by the left. Hope you outgrow it.

November 12, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
ibshame said...

Maybe now that "Turdblossom" Rove has been publicly humiliated with his Faux News meltdown on Nov. 6th, he will disappear for awhile. It's just too bad he has been allowed to walk free for the last four years instead of being placed on trial for his role in the lies leading up to the invasion of Iraq. Not to mention his role in outting a CIA agent.

Repubs are so up in arms over what they perceive as some kind of cover-up in Benghazi but they never showed that kind of concern when Valerie Plame was outted by Pig Rove as "Fair Game." He should have been frogged marched out of the White House then but Bush and Cheney protected him and let Scooter Libby be the scapegoat.

November 12, 2012 at 10:59 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

libshame: "CIA agent", my azz. A high-paid clerk at best. Libby is the one that got screwed in this deal. Without as much as a kiss.

November 12, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Great cartoon, Clay Bennett. . . And speaking of GREATS, I heard the great GOP Svengali is working 24/7 to repair his trance. . . Apparently, there is a short in his wiring.

November 12, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I went in for a physical last week and asked what it would cost if I paid cash, $200 for cash payment, $300 with insurance. I tell you, the problem with health care costs is the insurance companies (including government programs). The doctor said the government is even worse to deal with than the private insurance.

When the government achieves a monopoly in health insurance they will bury the providers in administrative costs and will not pay to cover those costs. Doctors will leave the system after being deprived of the ability to make a living. Patient care will suffer because rationing will be used to compensate for administrative costs. Obamacare supporters will have caused Americans to go without adequate care and deaths will result.

November 12, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BRP: You are exactly right. But that argument wouldn't sell with the Dem teat sucking voter base.

November 12, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... libshame: "CIA agent", my azz. A high-paid clerk at best. Libby is the one that got screwed in this deal. Without as much as a kiss."

It's so convenient for wing nuts to ignore the facts - she WAS NOT a high paid clerk but to argue with someone like you is not worth my time but here are the facts:

WASHINGTON — An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.

The summary is part of an attachment to Fitzgerald's memorandum to the court supporting his recommendation that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former top aide, spend 2-1/2 to 3 years in prison for obstructing the CIA leak investigation.

The nature of Plame's CIA employment never came up in Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice trial.

Undercover travel The unclassified summary of Plame's employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, "Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."

Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, "engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business." The report says, "she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times." When overseas Plame traveled undercover..."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/ns/politics/t/plame-was-covert-agent-time-name-leak/

November 12, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.
ibshame said...

So "Turdblossom" spends almost a billion dollars and what does he get for all that cash? Ans. The Re-election of President Barack Obama; a Democratically controlled Senate, and several pick-ups in the House of Representatives. All in all for the Dems it worked out just fine. Can't wait to see how much he spends in 2014. Couldn't happen to a nicer pig. LOL

Karl Rove is feeling the heat.

The face of the historic $1 billion plan to unseat President Barack Obama and turn the Senate Republican, Rove now finds himself the leading scapegoat for its failure. And he’s scrambling to protect his status as a top GOP moneyman by convincing disappointed donors to his Crossroads groups that he did the best he could with their $300 million

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83658.html#ixzz2C23XKZHo

November 12, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.
miraweb said...

I doubt that Karl has lost 5 minutes of sleep.

Crossroads needs his name and connections. Without it, it is just another GOP fundraiser and not a $300 million juggernaut.

His DC rolodex is quite intact. He does not hold a government position. No one is going to fire him, investigate him, or even stop talking to him.

Karl Rove will be just fine.

If he is up late at all, it is because he has thought of a new way to steal Ohio's votes.

November 12, 2012 at 1:16 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Karl Rove is a patriot

November 12, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
alprova said...

Karl Rove is a partiasan Republican hack.

November 12, 2012 at 1:37 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack_Dennis said..."Karl Rove is a patriot"

A patriot in what country? He is certainly not an American patriot!!! Furthermore, it is an insult to veterans (whom we honor today) to suggest that a dedicate draft dodger who help elect a draft dodger presidential ticket is a patriot!

November 12, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.
mtngrl said...

"I will not concede the election till Karl Rove gives me permission"

http://now.msn.com/the-simpsons-spoofs-karl-roves-election-night-denial

November 12, 2012 at 1:44 p.m.
miraweb said...

Karl Rove belongs in jail.

November 12, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

Virginia Vote Fraud Investigation One Step Closer to Rove


Remember that Crossroads and Nathan Sproul share the same mailing address.


The investigation following the arrest of a man on charges of dumping voter-registration forms last month in Harrisonburg has widened, with state officials probing whether a company tied to top Republican leaders had engaged in voter-registration fraud in the key battleground state, according to two people close to the case.

A former employee of Strategic Allied Consulting, a contractor for the Republican Party of Virginia, had been scheduled to appear on Tuesday of this week before a grand jury after he was charged with tossing completed registration forms into a recycling bin. But state prosecutors canceled Colin Small’s grand jury testimony to gather more information, with their focus expanding to the firm that had employed Small, which is led by longtime GOP operative Nathan Sproul.

Small, 23, of Phoenixville, Pa., was arrested Oct. 18 and charged with eight felonies and five misdemeanors involving election fraud.

Rob Johnson, the manager of a local discount goods store, said he had seen a man toss a bag into the store’s cardboard recycling bin and then had found that the bag contained registration forms. Johnson said in an interview that he called authorities the next day when he spotted the man’s car, with Pennsylvania plates, parked at the Harrisonburg-Rockingham County Republican Party headquarters.

http://www.newsleader.com/article/20121103/NEWS01/311030020/Va-voter-fraud-probe-widens

November 12, 2012 at 2:05 p.m.
miraweb said...

New Mexico Arrests Poll Watcher Who Voted Twice

A Republican Challenger who was supposed to be working the polls watching for voter fraud ended up in handcuffs himself when he stood in line to vote, got a provisional ballot, then announced that he had already voted was just "testing the system to see if people could get away with voting twice."

According to a witness, Walter "Ski" Szymanski, who was the Democratic challenger at the Voting Convenience Center at the National Guard Armory in Santa Clara, the man presented himself to vote and was issued a provisional ballot, and pulled out paperwork showing that he was a Republican Challenger and showed it to the election officials and told them he had already voted but wanted to see what the system would do if he tried to vote twice.

"Our office will do whatever it takes to make sure that individuals like this get the maximum that the law allows," he said. "Hopefully it will make a statement that will let other individuals know that it is not acceptable at all to do this in Grant County."

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_21956171/silver-city-man-detained-after-attempting-test-voting

November 12, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
delmar said...

"Karl Rove is a patriot"

One can only assume this is sarcasm.

November 12, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Rove has twice the scruple of Axelrod, Emmanuel, et. al.

November 12, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
DJHBRAINERD said...

I would hope the republicans would learn from this election that most people don't care what other people do unless they are asked to pay for it. With that in mind the conversation should move away from how people live thier lives and what they do in their bed rooms. It should instead focus on ways to keep others from paying for unprofitable lifestyle choices. This idea that we can pay people to breed with the money of others has produced a dependent voting class with an ever growing sence of entitlement. So if we are going to continue to "do it for the children" we must discuss ways to mak it sustainable. Defence can no longer be a sacred cow. The decriminalization of marijuana and a fair tax system to replace the legislative favors embedded in the current one are revenue based issues that moderates understand. As a nation we most find a balance between our guns and butter. But the conversation should be civil with a nonjudgemental aproach. Only by apealing to the colective individual will the republicans become relevant again.

November 12, 2012 at 2:17 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

You pansy leftist just peeved at Rove cause he engineered to stunning defeats of your ilk.

November 12, 2012 at 2:18 p.m.
miraweb said...

Lacking Mirrors - GOP Blames Ron Paul for Defeat

In Florida, for example, Obama defeated Romney by 46,000 votes; meanwhile, Ron Paul received over 117,000 votes in the primary. If only 40% of these Ron Paul Republicans stayed home on Election Day, it would have been enough to cost Romney the state and its 29 electoral votes.

A similar case can be made for Connecticut, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Virginia. Along with Florida, these five states account for a whopping 71 Electoral College votes. Remember that Obama earned 332 electoral votes compared to Romney’s 206. Had Romney won these five states, they would have been sufficient to give him a narrow 277-261 victory over the President.

What does this mean? Given two conservative assumptions – that the number of Paul supporters in these five states is at least double the number of Paul primary votes, and that 40% of these Paul voters stayed home on Election Day – we have a strong case for stating that Mitt Romney would have won the election had he earned the votes of these Ron Paul supporters.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/18815/the-ron-paul-effect-how-the-gop-threw-the-election-by-disenfranchising-ron-paul-supporters

November 12, 2012 at 2:24 p.m.
miraweb said...

Rove used to. Now he just weeps in his corn flakes on Fox News.

November 12, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

not bad duty, Mira

November 12, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

On MSNBC's Melissa Harris-Perry Show Saturday, CBS's Nancy Giles said the reason white people are "trying to eliminate all these abortions" is "to build up the race"

YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP, FOLKS.

November 12, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack_Dennis said..."Rove has twice the scruple of Axelrod, Emmanuel, et. al."

Attempting to buy our government for the purpose of establishing a permanent one-party rule is not consistent with scruples.

Jack_Dennis said..."You pansy leftist just peeved at Rove cause he engineered to stunning defeats of your ilk."

Whom are you calling pansy? What's on your DD-214?

I'm peeved at Karl Rove because he tried to convert our government from a democracy that serves all to an oligarchy that works only for very few and at the expense of everyone else. Fortunately for us real Americans, he failed in all of the national elections that he attempted to engineer this election cycle!

November 12, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_dennis wrote: "You pansy leftist just peeved at Rove cause he engineered to stunning defeats of your ilk."

Not this time. Probably not in the future.

November 12, 2012 at 2:38 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

John: Please don't start with the bad-ass DD-214 stuff.

November 12, 2012 at 2:38 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

A petition is active at whitehouse.gov to allow the state of Tennessee to withdraw from the union. There are petitions running for something like 20 states.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-tennessee-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/7xsNwkJ8?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl

November 12, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...
<p>(CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama's senior campaign adviser David Axelrod said on CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday that his next project will include inspiring young people to become "journalists."

Makes sense. Hundred of Axelrod's best friends are "journalists"

November 12, 2012 at 2:41 p.m.
tderng said...

miraweb,re your post at 2:10. What is your point? Apparently he was going to be allowed to vote twice until he announced what he was doing. They (the democrats) are going to push for the maximum penalty. They are mad that he uncovered the systems rigged abilities. Now the democrats in Santa Clara will only be able to vote once and they are P.O.d. He should invoke the whistleblower defense.

November 12, 2012 at 2:42 p.m.
miraweb said...

When Technology Meets Voter Registration


Another odd voting quirk in Ohio


Barbara Williams, who has been voting for 30 years under her married name, was preparing to cast her ballot at her Fairfield County polling place on Election Day when she leaned over the polling book to sign her name next to the facsimile signature printed in the book.

The printed signature was hers all right, but it was written as Barbara Hamm, her maiden name, and the script was so neat that the retired Lancaster schoolteacher knew immediately that it was decades old.

“‘Look at that, that’s my maiden name,’  ” she told the poll worker.

“It did kind of surprise me. Why would they be using a signature that’s, shoot, over four decades old?” Williams said yesterday, laughing.

Williams went ahead and signed the name she has been using since she married Dispatch business reporter Mark Williams in 1982, and voted without a problem.

The problems involved women who had changed their names with the board, through marriage or divorce, since they initially registered to vote but whose initial signatures were printed inadvertently in the polling books after they were imaged into the voter-registration database, Bloom said.

All of them are registered to vote properly under their current, up-to-date names, and all did so on Tuesday, Bloom said.

A glitch in the software used by the board’s vendor, Election Systems & Software, sorted some imaged signatures on file in the voter-registration database in the wrong chronological order. So in some cases, the imaged signatures that wound up printed in the polling books were the oldest on file rather than the newest, Bloom said.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/11/08/voter-finds-maiden-name-in-poll-book.html

November 12, 2012 at 3:31 p.m.
tderng said...

I have a question...not related to politics. Since there is such a fuss over building an oil pipeline from Canada to the gulf of Mexico,why doesn't someone build a refinery up along the Canadian border and refine the oil there? The congress could even pass a law that all the oil refined there must stay in the U.S. driving the price of gas down.

November 12, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack - do you have a DD214? I know that Karl does not!

Same question to you, Tu-Q.

November 12, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
miraweb said...

Romney Still Selling SWAG

Only one link still works on the Romney website: The merchandise link.

Don't look for any discounts, though. Romney remains the cheapest man in America.

http://www.mittromney.com/

November 12, 2012 at 3:59 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_quoque said... Of course after the 2008 election when the Libtards took full control of Congress and the Presidency they didn’t crow about one party rule … did they? They didn’t brag about they spent a billion dollars to obtain that control and would maintain it for many generations … did they?"

It really sucks lemons that wingnuts lost but that's the REALITY of what happened last Tues. The Republican Party backed a loser. They were so confident they had it in the bag the celebrations had started even before the first returns started coming in.

Karl Rove spent almost a billion dollars and what did he get for his billion? Not jacksh*t. Mitt Romney lost Colorado, Nevada, Iowa, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ohio and last but certainly not least FLORIDA. The only two states President Obama lost that he won in 2008 were Indiana and North Carolina. All the rest were clean sweeps. The Repubs lost 5 seats in the Senate in what was supposedly a chip shot for them. It was so bad until even Mitt Romney couldn't believe he had been given a SMACK DOWN.

Turdblossom Rove and all the other right wing know-it-alls got their azzes handed to them on a silver platter. They should be embarrased to even show their faces on any Network even Faux News. They are jokes now and will forever be jokes because President Obama will never run again they won't ever get the chance to REDEEM THEMSELVES. LOL

For you to come here and still try to spew your Bullsh*t is laughable and almost makes one feel sorry for you. ALMOST. Wingnuts got exactly what they deserved from the HYPOCRITICAL Bible thumpers like Billy Graham and his son(who were willing to REMOVE FROM CULT CLASSIFICATION A PRESIDENTIAL candidate who has taught AS A BISHOP IN HIS CHURCH- "GOD LIVES ON THE PLANET KOLOB; WAS ONCE A MAN; AND THERE ARE THREE HEAVENS, JUST TO NAME A FEW MORMON CULT BELIEFS)to the Birthers, Truthers and all of the rest of the wingnut freaks.

You got beat by the best. Get over it, nothing you write is going to change that and if Repubs continue down the same path of obstruction and ignorance they will lose again and again and again. It just keeps getting better. LMAO AT YOU.

November 12, 2012 at 4 p.m.
miraweb said...

tderng asks I have a question...not related to politics. Since there is such a fuss over building an oil pipeline from Canada to the gulf of Mexico,why doesn't someone build a refinery up along the Canadian border and refine the oil there?

It's because oil companies don't see themselves as American companies. They want to be able to ship the oil to any market they can sell it in.

For example, Exxon-Mobile is working with Russia for Artic drilling rights.

They have made some noises that they will consider a pipeline west across Canada instead so they can ship directly to China but, so far, that doesn't seem to be a serious move.

A refinery on the Canadian border makes a lot of sense for the U.S. - and would add some needed capacity during hurricane season - but the oil industry would rather have oil tankers take the product.

November 12, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

John: It's irrelevant whether you, me, or anyone else on here has a DD-214.

November 12, 2012 at 4:35 p.m.
miraweb said...

A lot of Canadians, in fact, would like to see more refineries in Alberta.

I did run into one comment that noted that the oil has to have a first refining at the origin site or it won't flow through a pipe. I don't know if that is true or not.

http://www.thestar.com/article/1032499--steward-canadian-jobs-lost-down-the-pipeline

November 12, 2012 at 4:36 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

MIRA: Regulations almost precludes any refinery being built in US. Too costly when you have to jump thru thousands of gubment hoops. (but your side loves 'em)

November 12, 2012 at 4:37 p.m.
miraweb said...

So if I have you right - it is just cheaper to build an environmentally risky pipeline that can take product to ships instead of trucks and rail?

What would stop building refineries in Canada?

Is it really just a money thing?

November 12, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.
joneses said...

This is what the Republicans support and what the dummycrats hate.

That the right of individuals to achieve the best that is within themselves as long as they respect the rights of others, and that this is the source of our nation’s strength. That Government exists to protect the freedom of opportunity in which each individual’s creative ability can flourish. That Government activities should be limited to those things which people cannot do at all, or cannot do well for themselves. That the most effective Government is Government closest to the people. That those who cannot provide for themselves should be assisted by both Government and society, but that every effort should be made to help them become self-supporting, productive citizens with pride in their independence. That equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity belong to all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin. That the preservation of our Nation and security of our citizens depend upon the Constitution, the laws and the courts, and that respect for them is the responsibility of every individual. That the Government is accountable for maintaining sound money and a responsible economy. Individual rights, liberties and properties are continually eroded when citizens are oppressed by excessive taxation, inflation, Government waste and over regulation. That Government is responsible for National defense, and that only a strong America can remain a free America. That life is sacred and should be valued and protected at every level; the poor without means, the vulnerable unborn yet without voice, to the feeble voice of the elderly. That the family structure, the marriage vow and the home must be preserved protected and encourage; never confused or ridiculed. Without this foundation a society cannot exist. That we are a nation under God. That He is our creator, our strength and our sustainer; and that we should seek and never exclude Him.

November 12, 2012 at 4:44 p.m.
miraweb said...

I somehow have a hard time believing that drilling in the Artic is either technically or financially easier than navigating U.S. regulations.

Especially, when you own quite a lot of the Congress.

Are the oil companies really saying a new refinery is just beyond their capacities?

November 12, 2012 at 4:44 p.m.
miraweb said...

In fact - the EIA reports that a new refinery was just built in Wyoming in 2008.

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=29&t=6

November 12, 2012 at 4:46 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Not to mention this headline just out today:

U.S. to overtake Saudi as top oil producer: IEA

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20121112&id=15782571

November 12, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb....

The pipe line is for Canadian oil which would be transported to the Gulf. I think you will find it is not legal to ship oil U.S. sourced. The government has a conflict with royalty revenue to the governnment from higher prices and the affect of higher prices on the people. The pipeline to China instead of the U.S. would be a Canadian option not the gas companies. Canada has the oil and is looking for markets for it, the U.S. has not allowed them to pursue U.S. markets with the pipe line so you can't blame them if they opt to do business with China instead.

November 12, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.
fairmon said...

MTJ...

First, Harp, I think you ask a good question, but I'm not sure which of my posts caused you to ask it.

The ? was what would legislation reflecting a moderate position on immigration look like?

MTJ said...

I think President Obama is a moderate.

I don't see him that way but there is no need for us to debate it since neither of us will cahnge our opinion of Obama based on the past four years. Both of us may change our opinion by the end of this four.

November 12, 2012 at 5:03 p.m.
mtngrl said...

”The Interior Department on Friday issued a final plan to close 1.6 million acres of federal land in the West originally slated for oil shale development. The proposed plan would fence off a majority of the initial blueprint laid out in the final days of the George W. Bush administration. – By Zack Colman “

YAY!! Thanks President Obama!

I do believe I see tear stains on most of the wingers posts the last few days...

November 12, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
tderng said...

mtngrl said...YAY!! Thanks President Obama!

So I take it you are for for gas prices in the $5,$7,or even $10 dollars a gallon. Boy you must really hate the poor in this country.

November 12, 2012 at 5:35 p.m.
chatt_man said...

mira - No one probably has the time to go thru all these new regulations, but with their being an average of 68 new regulations a day, totaling 6,125 from the Obama admin in the last 90 days, I'm thinking the cost of drilling in the Arctic is becoming the cheaper route by the day.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/6125-proposed-regulations-and-notifications-posted-last-90-days-average-68-day

November 12, 2012 at 5:36 p.m.
miraweb said...

So we can let Canada ship oil to China with a pipeline across their own country or we can let them send it to Latin America (where the Gulf refineries ship to) with a pipeline across our country.

We're taking all of the environmental risk and are obtaining none of the benefit.

Why, exactly, would we want to do that?

November 12, 2012 at 5:36 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_quoque... are you male or female? Your post regarding your DD-214 would seem to suggest male, but it seems at odds with a post from some time ago in which you spoke of your "buff boys." If it's none of my business, I will butt out, but if you would care to elucidate...

November 12, 2012 at 5:40 p.m.
miraweb said...

Drilling in the Arctic has been compared to flying to the moon. Shell had a particularly bad time this year.


Several other companies are waiting to follow in Shell's footsteps, including Conoco Phillips, Statoil and Repsol. All would be taking advantage of new sea conditions, as climate change and melting ice open areas that were once impassible.

But even as the Arctic potential widens, some in the industry are skittish. Statoil said it would wait until 2015 at the earliest to pursue drilling on its own leases in the Chukchi Sea after witnessing Shell's woes this year.

And Total SA CEO Christophe de Margerie told the Financial Times last month that the environmental risks are too high to justify oil drilling in Arctic waters. Total does not have leases in the U.S. Arctic, but does own rights in other Arctic waters.

Shell's setbacks this year surprised even some veteran industry observers who were braced for problems.

"Even as a person who is thinking about what could go wrong, I was surprised at how many things went wrong," said Marilyn Heiman, director of the Pew Environment Group's Arctic Program.

http://www.adn.com/2012/11/11/2681986/shell-learning-about-the-arctic.html


(Did you catch that oil companies do believe in global warming when it melts ice in the Arctic.)

November 12, 2012 at 5:43 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "CIA agent", my azz. A high-paid clerk at best. Libby is the one that got screwed in this deal."

This is why you can't be taken seriously. Stick to four letter word intimidation, bunky.

November 12, 2012 at 5:47 p.m.
miraweb said...

I couldn't say why they picked the size they did for the new Wyoming refinery. It is on the same scale as refineries in Alabama, Nevada, and California.

The regulatory burden would not have been any different.

Almost all of the remaining capacity is clustered along the LA/MS coast or in Alaska. Again, some diversity in siting the refineries is very much in the industry's interest. Two earthquakes and a hurricane could shut down more than 90% of the U.S. refining capacity.

Overall capacity has remained the same despite the refinery closings.

November 12, 2012 at 5:55 p.m.
tderng said...

I kind of figured it had to be due to regulations. Especially with President Obama's stated goal of forcing gas and other petroleum based energy resources to "necessarily Skyrocket". As I said to Mtngrl,He must really hate the poor in this country. They will be the ones most affected in a negative way. The wealthy won't feel the effects at all but the poor and middle class will pay a dear price if energy costs skyrocket.

November 12, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said..."The ? was what would legislation reflecting a moderate position on immigration look like?"

My apologies, Harp. I didn't make the connection because you posed the question to me in the middle of the post (I thought you were starting a new conversation) and because I had not posted anything on immigration.

My sense is that a moderate piece of legislation regarding immigration would include: 1) reaffirm a commitment to prosecute employers who hire undocumented workers; 2) automatic citizenship for every alien who has completed 2 years of honorable military service; 3) a reasonable set of criteria that define a path for citizenship for undocumented immigrants who are established residents in this country, especially those who came to this country at a very young age; 4) the flip side of #3, criteria for and a commitment to deport those who do not belong here.

November 12, 2012 at 6:10 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey dude,

It's neither it's a Honey Badger!!

November 12, 2012 at 6:11 p.m.
tderng said...

miraweb... I agree that it would be in the best interests of the oil industry to diversify its refinery locations. Having a large number of small refineries scattered across the country would help in the event of a disaster,or even a smaller number of medium sized ones at strategic locations. The only reasons I can come up with is A)regulations,B)the oil companies would lose a lot of leeway for pricing after a disaster.I suspect it is a combination of the two.

November 12, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.
miraweb said...

Navy Ship Housing "Surge" of Emergency Workers

Every morning, Dos Santos, who is a civilian Coast Guard firefighter at home, and other federal workers disperse in teams of 10, going door-to-door, checking on homes and trying to connect struggling families with what they need.

And every night, he and about 1,200 other federal workers from around the country come back to their home for up to the next 45 days - aboard one of three ships, activated by the federal government to serve as floating hotels docked in New York City for federal recovery workers.

Life aboard the T.S. Kennedy, the ship Dos Santos is calling home, is hardly glamorous. Most of the beds are coffin-sized, self-contained metal units with a thin mattress and a privacy curtain, stacked three high. Meals are taken together in a mess hall under a yellow fluorescent pall.

The program culls employees in different federal agencies and in Homeland Security -- including the Transportation Security Administration, the Secret Service, customs and immigration agencies, and others.

All the workers previously volunteered to be on the surge capacity force, to be rushed to areas after a disaster hits.

Altogether, more than 7,200 FEMA personnel have performed search and rescue, communications and logistical work since Sandy struck.

That number doesn't include the more than 5,600 National Guard personnel, nearly 4,000 Army Corps of Engineers employees and other federal workers in the region.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/12/us-storm-sandy-ships-idUSBRE8AB1B920121112

November 12, 2012 at 6:19 p.m.
tderng said...

MTJohn I would add to your list #4) an aggressive attempt to secure our borders,north and south.

November 12, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.
MTJohn said...

TuQ - no veteran veteran worth his salt would try to pawn Karl Rove off as a patriot because Rove stands for several values that are decidedly un-American; he helped to get draft dodgers elected as President and Vice President; and, he, himself, was a draft dodger.

November 12, 2012 at 6:40 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tderng - I agree that border security is a legitimate concern. However, I think that is an issue distinct from the immigration issue, which is primarily a question of how to deal fairly with undocumented people who otherwise are living as functional members of our society.

November 12, 2012 at 6:42 p.m.
miraweb said...

Karen Hughes on Romney's Run

Finally, the Republican Party has to set a tone that is more respectful, positive and inclusive.

The immigration rhetoric that came out of the Republican primary seemed harsh, unwelcoming and offputting to many minority voters. Obama increased his share of the Hispanic vote and won it 69 percent to 29 percent (per The New York Times exit poll); likewise he built a huge margin among Asian voters, 74-25, almost doubling the margin of his support compared to 2008.

Both of those constituencies are hardworking, upwardly mobile, family-oriented, and should be open to Republican appeals if we don’t make them feel unwelcome.

And if another Republican man says anything about rape other than it is a horrific, violent crime, I want to personally cut out his tongue. The college-age daughters of many of my friends voted for Obama because they were completely turned off by Neanderthal comments like the suggestion of “legitimate rape.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83632_Page2.html

November 12, 2012 at 6:51 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_... Eureka!!! Your non-answer answers my question! You're a Gaytheist Republican! Now it fits! No wonder you're so troubled. You fit neatly into the category I spoke to harp about. LOL You live in a "Log Cabin Closet." You don't believe God exists, but if He did you'd be attracted to Him! None of this squares with your other, more elitist, puritanical convictions.

November 12, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.
degage said...

Obama and all his buddies don't have a DD214.So many of you libs (not all) hate the vets and the vets are aware of it espectialy the viet nam vets.

November 12, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.
miraweb said...

degage - that is pure bosh.

The Senate has 28 veterans. 14 are Democrats. 14 are Republicans.

The House has 92 veterans. 26 are Democrats (out of 193) and 66 are Republicans (out of 242).

Four women veterans were running this time - two Democrats and two Republicans.

Veteran Heather Wilson (R-NM) lost her race but Veteran Tammy Duckworth (D-IL) won hers.

Veteran Sandy Adams (R-FL) lost her race as did Veteran Heather Beaven (D-FL).

It might be time to get your head out of the 1960s and see where the world actually is today.

And to all the vets - thank you for your service and sacrifices!

November 12, 2012 at 7:34 p.m.
tderng said...

MTJohn...a porous border is why we have an immigration issue. Without good border security the immigration problem won't go away.

November 12, 2012 at 7:45 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Update: Petitions to whitehouse.gov to allow various States to leave the Union.

Texas has eclipsed their petition goal of 25,000 with over 38,000 signatures.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2012/11/12/white-house-petition-to-let-texas-secede-reaches-goal/

Tennessee is going strong with over 10,000 signatures.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-tennessee-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/7xsNwkJ8

I hope the MSM picks this up. It will be fun to watch.

November 12, 2012 at 8:11 p.m.
miraweb said...

You know, kids, you don't have to wait.

Daily flights to Montreal!

http://www.flynashville.com/airlines/default.aspx?airline=1

November 12, 2012 at 8:17 p.m.
miraweb said...

BRP notes - Texas has eclipsed their petition goal of 25,000 with over 38,000 signatures.

I bet some of the signatures are even from Texans!

November 12, 2012 at 8:19 p.m.
degage said...

Mira, I was talking about Obamas buddies like bill Ayers, van jones,etc, not democrats in the house and senate. THanks for the info about the house and senate tho, it is interesting.

Maybe you should try to find out more about the 60s so you don't repeat history. Occupy reminds me of the late 60s and early 70s. A rag tag group of misfits.

November 12, 2012 at 8:26 p.m.
miraweb said...

I lived through the 60s, though I was very young. My grandparents lived near Berkeley and we would drive by the campus to see the show.

The 1960s are as distant now as Woodrow Wilson and dancing the Charleston were then.

Those periods do matter to our nation's history but a lot has happened in 50 years.

November 12, 2012 at 8:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

BRP... Don't be such a puss. Organize, arm, and come and take it! What an embarrassment that you want to beg the United States of America to let you out of the union! Sack up, son! You could call it the Confederate States of America! You could even mint your own legal tender. Or, you could always just shut the f*ck up.

November 12, 2012 at 8:30 p.m.
ricardo said...

Why didn't Repube House Majority Leader Eric Cantor reveal the Petraeus scandal before the election?

http://wtvr.com/2012/11/12/eric-cantor-on-david-petraeus-affair-and-resignation/

November 12, 2012 at 8:35 p.m.
miraweb said...

I think the one lesson that did stick from the sixties was if someone is to be crucified for a bad war it should be the people who got us into it, not those who did their duty fighting it.

We are a little wiser this time round. We still owe our vets far more than they get.

November 12, 2012 at 8:37 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

dude_abides said... "Or, you could always just shut the fck up."

Don't hold your breath dude!

November 12, 2012 at 8:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

rickado - I'm guessing it was because they had to locate a Congressional rep in Washington who isn't having an affair to break the news - and that can take quite a while to sort out.

November 12, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Where is my government money check? A nice fella wearing a tin-foil hat and a gadsden flag cape, he seemed credible, told me if Obama is re-elected the free enterprise system in America will be dismantled and we will all sit on our ass and collect a check. It has been almost a full week and I'm still working the same ol' private sector job I had last week. I check my mailbox daily, not one check from the treasury department. A man I did not recognize knocked on my door this afternoon. I asked if he had been sent by the president to confiscate any guns and bibles at my address. He looked perplexed and then explained that he owns a lawn service and will remove leaves from your yard for a fee.

I hate to be cynical, but I feel that maybe, just maybe, right wingers have exaggerated the nefarious nature of President Obama's vision for the U S of by-god A. I awake every morning expecting to hear news of the start of the Bolshevik Revolution Part Dvah. This morning there were stories about Derek Dooley and proposed changes at the 75-24 split on the front page.

Viva la ehh.

November 12, 2012 at 8:49 p.m.

GratefulDawg, sounds like you have been failed by the gubbermint. You outta sign one of them secession petitions put up on that White House site.

November 12, 2012 at 8:53 p.m.
ricardo said...

If you sign the secessionist petition, you automatically forfeit your Social Security and Medicare benefits, as well as any federal income tax refund that you may be entitled to. Good luck in Canada.

November 12, 2012 at 9:06 p.m.
dude_abides said...

BRP... It was only an option. You can always come and take it. Have you been to Chik-Fil-A 3 times a week since summer? What about the LFO jihad? Has your protest attention span lapsed? What about it, you inbred mutation with an Appalachian appellation?

November 12, 2012 at 9:16 p.m.
dude_abides said...

WATERSHED ELECTION

"For all the talk about how Mitt Romney and the Republicans lost when it came to demographics, the turnout, and the tactics, the exit polls also show that they lost when it came to the issues. For years, the GOP has branded itself as the party that supports low taxes (especially for the wealthy) and opposes abortion and gay marriage. But according to the exit polls from last week’s presidential election, a combined 60% said that tax rates should increase either for everyone or for those making more than $250,000. Just 35% said the tax rates shouldn’t increase for anyone. What’s more, 59% said that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. And by a 49%-to-46% margin, voters said that their states should legally recognize same-sex marriage. Even on comprehensive immigration reform -- a subject that some Republicans (like George W. Bush) once supported, but most no longer do -- 65% said most illegal immigrants should be offered a chance to apply for legal status. (And since the election, GOP senators like Lindsey Graham and John McCain are now signaling renewed support for comprehensive immigration reform.)"

November 12, 2012 at 9:29 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

GratefulDawg said... "I hate to be cynical, but I feel that maybe, just maybe, right wingers have exaggerated the nefarious nature of President Obama's vision for the U S of by-god A."

Silly rabbit, Rome was not destroyed in a week.

November 12, 2012 at 10:06 p.m.

Of course, its worst enemies included those who pretended to be acting to save it.

November 12, 2012 at 10:23 p.m.
ricardo said...

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

November 12, 2012 at 10:25 p.m.
Carillon01 said...

The Socialist Pigs are at the trough. Isn't it convenient that Gen. Petreus has to resign right before he was to testify concerning the slaughter of our Libyan ambassador and his staff.

November 12, 2012 at 11:17 p.m.
Carillon01 said...

What arrogance that this administration thinks that there socialist agenda will work here in the US when it has failed in Europe. Look at Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and oh yes the late Soviet Union.

November 12, 2012 at 11:20 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "Update: Petitions to whitehouse.gov to allow various States to leave the Union."

Oh no....

"Texas has eclipsed their petition goal of 25,000 with over 38,000 signatures."

38,000 eh? Texas has a population of 25,674,681. That's about .00148% of the entire state.

"Tennessee is going strong with over 10,000 signatures."

Tennessee has a population of about 6,403,353. So far, about .00116% of the state has signed on to secession.

"I hope the MSM picks this up. It will be fun to watch."

You mean funny to watch, don't you?

My bet is that petitioners could get more signatures on a petition to return Texas to Mexico than they'll eventually get to secede from the United States.

Heck...I'll bet that there are more within the State of Tennessee who would sign a petition to make Tennessee a Mexican State as well.

November 12, 2012 at 11:24 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Carillon... Your syntax and spelling looks oddly familiar. Hmmm. LOL

November 12, 2012 at 11:26 p.m.
miraweb said...

Hey Francis. Welcome back.

Alprova - if you read through the petitions you can see the city and state of the signatories.

A rather large number on the Texas petition are not claiming TX as home.

November 12, 2012 at 11:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

I am assuming that the ex-citizens would have to go to the back of the line for work and travel visas. It would only be fair, right?

November 12, 2012 at 11:40 p.m.
MTJohn said...

tderng said..."...a porous border is why we have an immigration issue. Without good border security the immigration problem won't go away."

Xenophobia turns Lou Dobbs crank and clouds rational thought.

Economics is the reason we have an immigration issue. More specifically, a policy that allows corporations to employ (and, too often, abuse) undocumented people and do so with impunity is the reason we have an immigration issue.

If we are concerned about national security - and I am - border security ought to focus specifically of those who would come into this country specifically for the purpose of doing significant harm to our country. Focusing on those who come here for the purpose of supporting their families would do little to enhance national security.

November 13, 2012 at 7:29 a.m.
ibshame said...

tu_quoque said...

One more time just for you:

There has been a lot of chest thumping by the Libtards about the irrelevancy of the Republican party after it’s lost to President BullSh!t. As if that was the be all and end all of the political world in this country. He won by a few points in a very close election, the Libtard picked up 2 seats in the Senate but are very far from a super-majority that would allow them to act unilaterally, and the Republicans keep a large majority in the House and can act unilaterally although they are also blocked by the Senate and if necessary a presidential veto."

And one more time just for you: You got your azzes handed to you. You backed a loser and you lost. NONE OF YOUR BULLSHT ARTICLES ARE GOING TO CHANGE THAT FACT. It's obvious from all the bullsht you post, facts are not one of your strong suits (in fact you don't have a strong suit on anything from the looks of your posts)but the results of last Tuesday are something you cannot change.

November 13, 2012 at 8:24 a.m.

Carillon01, you know what caused the fall of the Soviet Union? Excessive military spending.

You want to cut back on military spending in the US? I'm all for it.

November 14, 2012 at 1:21 a.m.
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